>>471787>Russia should have joined NATO>>471788>It tried to.
Both in 1954 when it was still the USSR and in the early 2000s when Putin first came to power. That's what gets me heated about this conflict. If you view it was starting in 2022 (invasion) or even 2014 (annexation of Crimea according to US, Crimea joining Russia by referendum according to Russia, I think both narratives contain elements of truth) you might take the superficial view and see Russia as aggressing totally unprovoked on Ukraine, without seeing the larger obvious strategy of the US trying to further balkanize Russia. The breakup of the USSR was a big goal for the USA, but it wasn't done. IT wanted to balkanize Russia because Russia is still so big, and US ideology views Russia as still being an empire/prisonhouse of various nations (never mind that the USA is that). But on top of that, there is obvious benefit to breaking up Russia, which is weakening a geopolitical enemy, surrounding Russia with more US-backed comprador states, and eventually making Russia too small and economically backward to maintain its own nuclear arsenal, which is the only one that rivals the US (for now). Then there is the gas problem. Russia was getting geopolitically very close to the EU, providing them with very cheap energy through the nordstream pipelines. The USA has a glut of Liquid Natural Gas it wants to sell. Get Ukraine and Russia into a war with each other, bomb nordstream, blame Russia saying false flag, then a few months later walk it back and blame ukrainian extremists (really all along it was the USA and Norway probably, since they benefit the most). So America wants to sell this LNG to the EU, but they're still buying cheaper Russian gas, albeit through the middleman of India instead of through Russia directly, due to sanctions. Then there's this whole hubris of sanctions, which traditionally have been very effective against small weak nations, but isn't very effective against Russia at all, since it has the land mass and variety of natural resources to be self sufficient even when economically isolated, and also it borders 16 other nations by land, which makes it easy to wage proxy wars against, but also makes it hard to really sanction, since any one of those 16 nations bordering it might just ignore the sanctions and take up the role of middleman with whoever would nominally obey the sanctions.