No.471936
a lot of concept marxists that werent moralistic at all got bastardized by people, like "skilled labor" or "emotional labor"
No.471937
i think people really underestimate how much socialism will look like victorian england on psychoactive drugs once it's been achieved.
No.471938
>>471936Socialism from the beginning was infected by moralism, thats why marx and engels established "scientific socialism" as a way to piss off all the utopian-socialists, social democrats and anarkiddies.
No.471946
>>471932>making Marx say "da"wow it's another meme made by a redditor who thinks marx was russian for some reason
No.471960
>>471936I also like when people take "commodity fetishism" literally and think it's "when you like commodities a lot".
No.471966
>>471960Commodity fetishism can be manifested in simply liking commodities very much by attributing to them qualities and values that are not inherent to their material existence, but are rather derived from the social and economic relations that produce and exchange them.
No.471968
>>471966it has a very specific meaning in marxist theory so whenever its brought up in half-assed le anticonsumerist posts its like, wrong
No.471971
>>471968Commodity fetishism is integral to consumerism.
No.471973
>>471971There is no such thing as consumerism.
No.471975
>>471973there is no such thing as marxism
No.471978
>>471932Yes. For the most part, most Marxists are nominal Marxists and are under the influence of other "reformed" anarchists. I wish everyone calling themself Marxist would read literally anything from the German Ideology or from Plekhanov's writing on materialism. It gets really tiresome conversing with people otherwise. Also, in the same way you get moralistic Marxists, you get mechanical materialists (and Bordigists) which misinterpret what is written regarding diamat and hismat.
No.471981
>>471980
I think that is true, however. Alienation is an economic phenomenon which manifests itself during the production process, but that doesn't mean it also does not get manifested in the superstructure - social alienation is a real phenomenon. But it's only when you put this on its head - that social alienation births economic alienation - that you get an idealistic misinterpretation.
No.471982
>>471932I think this is really a problem of language. Marx writes about exploitation of resources while many instinctively think of the feeling of being exploited by someone. It is inevitable for terms that are used commonly enough to acquire an emotional charged meaning of their own.
Alienation is a special case where the German origin (Entäußerung) is very specific and can thus not be easily misconstrued. Therefore this might be a failure of translators to bridge the gap in language. Marx even goes so far as to use the literal English terms in his German writings (Cost, Exploitation), likely to fix them to their scientific meanings.
No.472068
>>471946it's just taken from a Jreg video where the character (not Marx) says da in that scene.
No.472090
>>471971>consumerism>>471970welp, didnt go one post without triggering my inb4 card
No.472091
prominent humanist authors "contributing" to marxist theory have done irreparable damage, holy shit
No.472113
>>472090Consumerism exists. See fat americans
No.472115
>>472113consumerism is when fat
No.472125
>>472113>consumerism is when you eat shitty foodGreat minds at play.
No.472177
Wasn't Carlos Marcos also against the existence of states?
No.472179
>>472115Part of Consumerism is when people eat themselves to death because capitalism. Communist China has only 6 percent obesity rate6%, America has 42%.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_obesity_ratePlease research the facts
No.472180
>>472179consumerism truly just means "anything i dont like" huh
No.472181
>>472180It is when they consume too much
No.472183
>>472181and nobody can agree on what "too much" entails
No.472184
>>472177dont point out that the state is only supposed to last however long the revolution and civil war itself lasts and nothing further on leftypol dot org, worst mistake of my life
No.472186
>>472183Enough to be obese
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