Restarting the LGBT general
Homophobia is idpol
Transphobia is idpol
Sexism is idpol
Racism is idpol
Opposing any of these is not
>>595565the trans rights movement is unique in the LGBT community because it is a movement that exists mainly to demand healthcare for trans people. lesbians, gays, and bisexuals do need extra precautions in their healthcare but to be trans means to transition, and that's not profitable. LGBTs disproportionately go homeless or are ostracized from their communities, so one could argue that a main demand of LGBT movements is housing, but the trans rights movement is uniquely incapable of collaborating with the bourgeois state to provide healthcare for trans people, because the bourgeois state is unwilling to pay for it.
anybody who doesnt understand this is willfully ignorant of the revolutionary character of it. the LGBT community more generally started out as a class collaborationist movement to try to pool resources together from everyone involved in order to pass laws that prevented discrimination in work or school, but it is no longer historically progressive in that its main demands have already been met. however, free healthcare and housing remains an issue for LGBT people. treatment for drug addiction, freedom from state repression, a disproportionate risk of violence, etc, are all still issues faced by the LGBT community, but these issues remain unaddressed by the bourgeois state.
in a sense, the revolutionary character of trans rights actually puts it somewhat in juxtaposition to lesbians, gays, and bisexuals, in that while they are not opposed to eachother inherently, it is much more easy for the bourgeois class to attack trans people for being uppity and overly demanding, and it is a vulnerability that transgenderism suffers from in particular.
>>595567You gotta put the blame on the ones in the burger and euro elites class funneling millions into LGBT media and products (that are for some reason hyped up by angry concervatives hatescrolling it on Facebook than even the target audience) all pretending to give a shit about the lgbt. You know. So they can say yeah we gay buy our products. Or spend shitton of money on actual think tanks pretending why bombing the gays in Afghanistan is good for the gays or why bombing cuba and china in the future is 100 pecernt good because both states opress the lgbt (source;united burger bush institute for freedom eagle of tolerance)
Poor gays and trans can never catch a break honestly, all the wanted is rights but instead they got souless commodification, got turned into a pinkwashing tool overseas by libs while still struggling with texan funded concervatives removing their rights at home.
And at the same time people like haz calling them, well that.
>>595709I suppose whether someone is proletarian or not is determined by their cynicism and level of class consciousness?
It doesn't help anything to pretend as if a vast majority of the proletariat, and of proletarian queers, doesn't believe in and care about legal rights. You're trying too hard to feel smarter than your comrades.
>>595567>>595909>>595641And the iriny is?
Those kind of reavtionaries are akways found out to be degenerates.
Give time for this Haz fellow to be found out to be a creep or a sub.
>>595707You may be onto something.
As hsrd as itis to belive there is such thing as proletarian conservatism.
The USSR under Stalin would be considered conservative.
>>595911> The point is, there's going to be more of these sort of Fed-funded micro-parties pop up as we get closer to the revolutionI was watching an old British show called Fall of Eagles where Patrick Stewart plays Lenin. But the show focuses more on the collapse of the last 3 feudal regimes of Europe, all of whom had Eagles in their heraldry (hence the show's name) and one of the episodes that follows Nicholas leading up to the Bloody Sunday massacre of 1905, follows a tsarist porky extorting father Gapon, who's an orthodox priest, but also sort of a reformist leader but also a police informant. He has his toes dipped in everything. Anyway this tsarist porky is threatening to rat him out to the workers if he marches with them, and he says "I've got enough policemen in the unions to start a union of their own."
That's how the American Cryptofash Party comes off to me.
>>596178>>596175>>596167>>596129Newgene here.
Yea I done both.
Fronting is better.
But that's only if the guy is not hairy.
Anal is kinda good.
But fronting is much better.
Just use baby oil or lotion.
>>596175There appears to be a lot of overlap too between dudes who do anal and dudes who want rough sex.
>>596178I found frotting a bit underwhelming the first time around. But pairs well with cuddling.
>>596167>there could still be shit inside you that gets on the other persons dickHappens yes. Anal + hookup = nasty surprises
>Ass eating tooVery different from what I imagined it would be like. Obviously don't do this with everyone lol
>>596279Leftypol isnt homophobic, ziggerism seems to be increasingly falling out of favour. Misogyny on the other hand is something that needs to be addressed.
/lgbt/ people should come here, 4chan has been increasingly going to shit, last time I visited I wanted to join conversation in Kengan thread on /a/, only to be greeted by a fucking 15 minute waiting time before I can post. Absurd.
Haven't posted in a while, how's it going?
>>595577>>596185Always laughed at this reasoning.
>the elites promote men kissing without getting bludgeoned>therefore I must lynch queens nowEven if you are this dumb, the average prole isn't.
spelling>>596279>DenyYeah. Peak "hazcels ranting about how lgbt is ruining socialism and the west" was years ago. Most online rightoids don't care anymore either except when it comes tot trans women.
And the most extreme transphobia is rooted in misogynist men (note how it's always about transwomen), as well as upper middle class (western) white women who feel transwomen are intruding on their territory.
Outside of the west most people just don't care. Even in a place like Russia the best they can come up with is making lgbt people invisible. But all the traditionalism nonsense rings hollow because besides people's distrust of the media and the refusal of Putin to go full fundamental baptist preacher, the "fags are preventing me from owning a home, having a wife, having kids and a good paying job" just doesn't make sense.
There's also no more appetite for prudish laws targeting sex. Which I think people ignore as a reason for past homophobia. I believe there is a sense of queer envy especially among straight (reactionary) incel men. Whilst they're consumed by shame, self-loathing and loneliness (obviously none of these three are exclusive to incels, and lgbt people can struggle with the same issues) they see all these "fags" having their happy queer polycules.
Obviously this is caricature of how things work in practice, but there's something about being openly "queer" - free from the prudish stifling suffocating social expectations of normative heterosexuality, organized religion and the traditional family, that inspires a level of envy and spite in these people.
And if you don't believe me, you can go check (straight) incel spaces and find them admitting to this openly.
>>596279i dont deny that
this board especially has become an incel dumpster fire
but /lgbt/ is notoriously a dumpster fire too, lol
add on top 4chan doesnt even let me lurk with mullvad anymore
I hate the idea that people hate being male. Men are so fucking wonderful, every type, any race, big, small, hairy, hairless, Twink, bear, men are so fucking wonderful. They are loving and kind and compassionate and strong its amazing. Never be ashamed of being male. If you are, you're the peak of biology on the planet and you are a wonderful being. Fuck I love men so much
>>596444its unfortunate that men are only appreciated as work mavhineseither for war or comedy.
Mem are never ever allowed to be appreviated as beings of besuty and profundity.
Only for pretentiousness, conflict, and comedy
>>597000This. And people wanna swear up and down the aisle that women can never be racist, transphobic nor homophobic.
Women only accept the drop dead gorgeous bisexuals.
>>597003This.
>>596928> If you hate straight guy sexuality you should theoretically hate bi guy sexuality as well to some extent.A lot of gays and trans think bisexuality doesn't exist.
Especially in this board.
>>597014>>597028>>597039I don't listen to people who sympathise female homophobes.
I'm sorry but female homophobia is distinct within itself.
They don't have any bias towards bi/gay women, only bi/gay men.
Also, asking cishet males to transition to satisfy your androheterophobia is petulant
>>597039Probably. I am agreeing that patriarchy is the root of homophobia in the first place, I'm not saying anyone should hate women because they hate bi men. But you should be realistic about it. The amount of straight women who have all the usual bigotries about gay and bi men being disgusting unmanly plague rats and just don't voice them is higher than you think, especially in spaces that are not radlib or to the left of that. As is the amount of straight women who are "allies" but in a very tokenizing way that often involves gentrification of LGBT culture.
Nobody should hate women and nobody should go around trying to struggle session straights as long as they are more or less socially reinforcing the attitudes we need them to for our continued physical existence and rights. But don't kid yourself that women are so overwhelmingly less queerphobic that it isn't still a major phenomenon.
>>597055>androheterophobia Shit bait.
>>597179well, most people regardless of sexuality or ethnogeography, dont have innocent teenage romance encounters.
Its pop culture.
I understand its depressing but the adukt romance stories of "perfect stranger with a devasting past" is even more depressing.
It frames maturity as angsty and messy.
It gatekeeps romance as "adults only" in the sense that only negative idealism is allowed.
>>597181Yea. But its not that gettingolder makss thibgs feel less special Its pop culture treating age numbers as horoscopic states of consciousness
>>595567HazalDingus boy has lost the plot.
Its one thing to hate on idpol but LGBT is a real intersectional community with real concerns.
It wont be long before HazalDingus boy is caught getting head from a transhumanist or whacking off to traps.
>>598782Imagine being a queer communist and still believing there's such a thing as le LGBT community, lmfao. This thread is so middle-class. I mean look at
>>600408.
>>600535thats another factor.
Also, conservative shouldnt be confused for rightism.
Also theres differing kinds of conservatism.
The most common kind is the generational cultural conswrvatism where people feel entitled for their generational culture to be immortalised for posterity.
>>600540this.
And they like to call young adults "kids" and treat them as such, but grt offended when you call them "old".
Not only that, whenever they visit their young relatives after a long time and the young rekatives have political and cultural preferences, the elders get offended.
>>600707The USSR was conservative.
But they're left wing conservative.
Stalin and Lenin wouldve banned hip hop and punk if they came back to life anytime since the 1980s.
Yet they're not rightists.
>>600538>people feel entitled for their generational culture to be immortalised for posterityIt's always the petit-bourgeois whining about culture, whether it's considered "progressive" or not. Why would the immiserated worker care about culture, something that does not place food on their table?
>>600714Lenin was a proper marxist who didn't believe in eternal principles or glorifying any one culture, though he did come close whenever he sperged out about middle-classers - the correct conclusions with iffy language.
>>600730Yeah, the proletariat of any one country will differ from the other, but so will the middle classes and haute bourgeois, but the basics remain the same. Communism means the obliteration of all existing cultural traditions and norms without exception and whenever I interact with immiserated wage workers I hardly ever see a rabid adherence to morals, culture, religion, etc, it's always the petit-bourgeois and bourgeois (at least on paper, considering many of their personal lives).
Even from a personal point of view not professing adherence to any one "culture" is a good thing anyway. In a day and age where with modern technology you can take part in any activity you want to from around the world with a few clicks, insisting on clinging to "my culture" makes anyone a loser.
>>600732>insisting on clinging to "my culture" makes anyone a loseri think its important to differentiate between "my village has had these traditional food sourced from local plants existing only in my area for generations" or "people like me create traditional clothes and hold festivals on certain dates", from other "culture" aspects such as genital mutilation, oppression of women, etc. which should be utterly smashed as "culture".
the former however should be preserved, and its destruction is only a quality of proletarianization and alienation, nothing that should be strived for by communists. it takes away from the rich tapestry of humanity
>>600415Lesbians despise your ilk actually
Lesbians bond the strongest with gay men
>>600726>>600734i really dont see how proles, those with no property or reserves working shitty factory/retail/etc jobs, have much time and energy to actually participate in culture wars like, say, neet or techie losers on 4chans /v/ complaining about lesbians in video games or whatever
dont see consumer revolts and other silly shit like that comparable to someone making some throwaway comments about the outrage of the week on social media
>>600736no culture deserves to be preserved and any stupid petty culture, east or west, wont make it past class society
also its not a matter of willingness, you cant just will a culture to remain alive or to die, as history has constantly demonstrated
>>600740as a transhumanist who barely avoided homelessness after getting kicked out by my petit booj parents and have to work a shitty job instead of going to college i insist theres more in common with queer proles and straight proles than you privileged pb assholes constantly wrecking with your petty separatism have with poor queers who like the majority of actual proles dont give a shit about sex or gender beyond some shitty ignorant comment, unlike the pb pieces of shit whining about degeneracy and the fall of culture
i bet you vote too
>>600747>voters>poorlol i forgot idiots here equate being poor or a worker with being proletarian without any further analysis
proles dont benefit from electoralism and they know it, thats why they abstain in such numbers
>>600751>youre engaging in culture war nonsense right now by defining them as anything but thatculture war is when marxism LOL
the baffling thing is youre correct with this,
>proles are wage workers without enough personal property to liberate themselves from wage slaverybut still pretend a petit bourgeois whos bad with their own finances is magically proletarian like individual choice dictates class. maybe after theyve proletarianized, and even then many of them strive to return to their former class anyway
>>600754>but still pretend a petit bourgeois whos bad with their own finances is magically proletarian like individual choice dictates class. maybe after theyve proletarianized, and even then many of them strive to return to their former class anywaydo you even know any US Trump supporters? large segments of them are firmly in line with the stereotypical right wing culture war narratives from US media, and are proles. keep moving the goalposts and talking about how these people are all petite bouj. US media pushes this stuff on proles and they buy it. not from their own free exertions but because its pushed as a distraction from class issues.
you really want to argue anon and youre arguing shit i never said, not sure who youre trying to talk to but i think its mostly, yourself
>>600755>the ussr made an arbitrary policy decision ergo "preserving culture" (lol) is communist, no further analysis requiredthe leftypol special
>>600756you say proles cant escape their class and then pretend they care about their countrys policy that doesnt even benefit them due to their class position. you just keep contradicting yourself with your own bullshit
>>600756>US media pushes this stuff on proles and they buy it. again youre an idiot who believes "proles" act against their class interests because propaganda brainwashed them like some fucking scp artifact instead of owning up to the fact they arent proles ergo they arent acting against their class interests
communists ought to go where the existing struggle is instead of trying to convince and debatebro their way out of capitalism. this is why we keep getting "are neets le revolutionary class /leftypawl/????????" threads and shit
>>600755Exactly why so many so-called communists believe that preserving half-dead, forgotten cultures is a goal for the labor movement is absolutely incomprehensible to me. It's nothing that bourgeois nations don't already do, anyway. Avanti barbari, and all that.
If you're going to post about pre-1930 USSR Lenin was quite clear on the defense of languages and cultures and so on not really being part of a communist program when he described the grinding down of nations in America.
>>606208"Breeders" are straggots
And not only there's alwaya bi folk, the ethnostate qill always give free cards to global lgbts looking for a safe haven or wanting to live among the own away from straight male hatred and persecution and ostracism
>>606211are straight women allowed? that's the question, if yes then it will not be a true lgbt ethno state, wouldn't be interesting to visit such flawed ethnostate
>>606214it's best to just replace humans with robots that contain bio-engineered brains capable of minimal human experience but also upgraded by being 70% computer 30% bio-engineered humanoid brain… or just produce humans with machines instead
>>606259All women are at least little bit bi (bi men will not be allowed
).
>>606295disclaimer:
The "women" here refers to individual conception of a whole diverse group of people with varying preferences. Don't assume it is applicable to any individual woman unless specifically discussed with said woman.
Also pansexual women exist wtf.
>>606303The claim was:
>specifically when it comes to their sexual partners, [women] have very little tolerance for gender non-conformity.Which is demostrably proven false by existence of pansexual women who have very much tolerance for gender non-conformity when it comes to their sexual partners.
>>606247>>606205>>606211>>606226>>606253>>606262>>606294Even LGBT has the curse of cishetgynophilia.
Truly, patriarchy can never die.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
>>606906my post in
>>606226 is against straight women in said lgbt ethnostate, not in favor
>>606924That's a terrible reason to hate them.
I'm saying that cishet women also hold biases against LGBT and have also physically or socially hindered them. But since they got bobs and vagene they're sympathised.
>>606928My bad. I didn't mean to put you in the crossfire.
But you do agree that cishet women are always given diplomatic immunity when it comes to owning up to biases.
>>607373As a cishet male, I know I should be ogling at female homo couples but it it annoys me that homophobia only attacks male homo couples but female homo couples are given a pass.
Hebegynophilia is truly a cishet male disease.
I've felt this way even as a kid.
>>606999Are you really claiming lgbt hate breeder moids for being attracted to women? And not for like, beating, murdering, insulting, ostracizing, fomenting hatred and sometimes literally creating laws against us?
And no, women are beloved in general no matter sexuality because they're generally exponentially kinder, compassionate and ever suffer from similar circumnstances from breeder moids
>>608865how about we start fixing the problems with being gay
what else can you do about bigoted homophobes than assault them? that's a solved issue. what do we do about everything else?
>>606308Hi I'm into raping children
And by "raping" I mean sex
And by "children" I mean young adults above 20 or atleast around my age.
Why should words having meaning?
Why ever approach anyone on the idea they can be wrong?
>>608903So true bestie
That's why when George Floyd was murdered I morally and empathetically jerked off and came all over the place.
God if only I can give your post all then reddit gold in the world, but not only I can't since it's anonymous, it would NEVER be enough 🤭
>>608964>>608903Idpol.
If you hate straight men, you may as well reject leftism because the founders of leftism were cishet males
>>609096Really?
Why do people conflate communism with leftism then?
>>609079Communism is not a religion so I don't idolize the founders of it
And the fact all of them were breeder moids doens't change the objective fact absolute majority of them are our enemies and want our elimination
>>609332>let me tell you how what you literally witnessed with your own eyes is wrongfuck off cia
>>609333everyone knows you're lying, keep lying until you get a nice spot on a lamppost or a tree of your choosing. it's a fun pasttime for all ignorant folk of all strides and steps.
>>609334Things people have witnessed with their own eyes:
-angels
-flying saucers
-bigfoot
-State of Israel
>>609334Thanks for proving my point.
You're narcissistic
>>609297
>>90% OF GAY TOPS ARE CLEARLY FUCKING PEDOPHILES
Children don't have a sexuality before puberty, so to figure out if the child rapist is straight or gay or whatever, you have to see their choise of adult partners – which is so dominated by straights that some studies even conclude that there is no such thing as a gay pedophile, (obviously not true, but really says alot).
>DUMP THEM WHEN THEY TURN 25
Ignoring that the brain always develops and 25 is a nonsensical number – the anger of that going for 18-25 doesn't make sense when people can operate cars as young as 16, and this infantization is objectively abuse since the whole point of raising children (and now young adults) is to train them to being adults.
(Not even arguing for age gap stuff, but rejecting the dogma approach of it).
Not even arguing for age gap stuff, just the dogma approach of analyzing it.
What I will put my foot down and say is that saying it's pedophilia to go for people who're post puberty, especiapially 18+, is stolen valor and pro pedophilia.
Someone search that anon's harddrive for child pornography – possible might find worse like nepio shit.
>>YOU CAN GET RID OF PEDOPHILES IN YOUR COMMUNITY ANY FUCKING TIME
I agree, leave predator.
For the rest of the people reading this post, the spectacle approach like Chris Hansen has been an objective disaster, and the real solution is getting encouraging pedophiles to come out so they can be giving medicine to cure their pedaphilia, (side effect it castrates them, but whatever).
Anyways, mods, penalize this foo.
>>609162> objective fact absolute majority of them are our enemies and want our eliminationDo they?
I don't think the majority of them really engage with anything.
Obviously trauma and straights men overly represent hate crimes (since their general class position) – but I don't see how it's productive.
Coming off as just defending the society that creates that behavior – obviously not engaging with "They were just doing their jobs" shtick – like how does that thinking rationalize why Liberia had slaves, Margret Thatcher's insanity, or even just Israel.
And that thinking is clearly rejected in different contexts.
Like what makes getting angry at straight men different than palestinains getting angry at black americans for wanting to vote for Kamala?
(Also by extention feminists doing the same with men not voting for blue trump (Kamala), and begrudgingly admitting white women as well – though no one wants to call them out for advocating for sex strike since their genocidal canidate who had barely had one good policy lost).
>>609393Yeah because pre-pubesent children being raped and having permant brain damage is different from young adults being kinda kinda taken advantage.
Also, literally missed my point of not arguing for them, but rejecting the lack of arguments of why they're bad.
100% you'd be the same type of person to hear, "1st degree murder is worse than 3rd degree murder", and go, "Duhhhhh so you're pro murder?"
Do me a favor: take a shotgun, and paint the walls with your brain.
>>609378The whole "brain development"thing is failed adults projecting their past immaturity onto the current youth.
Also, allegations of "pedophilia" nowadays is just histrionics.
It's someone whose butthurt about having to share the same adult social space with someone younger.
Anon is another typical failed adult of the post-boomer era
>>609400Fucking finally someone said this.
People, especially post-boomers, think pedophilia is going after teenagers and vicenarians and will get upset when you correct them saying it's hebephilia.
They also wanna treat eighteen to twenty five as helpless infants in sex but not when it comes to violence.
>>609400>pretty much boiling down to "it's ephibephilia bro!"socialists fought hard for the concept of "childhood" to become codified in the cultural memory, we will not be "
RETVRNing" to 12 year old marriages, xXx_14CunnyWarrior88_xXx. We will not be considering that "preparing them for life". We will not be sending them to any coal mines either. If you want to make them work, send them to help at a farm, it's the most "natural" of all labours and requires the least psychological preparation to handle.
>>609409Did you even read anons post?
He's talking about how society infantilises young adults, not advocating for child labor.
Also, it was capitalists who created childhood as we know it not socialists.
Also, kids mowed lawns and washed dishes for labor for pocket money
>>609421><even though the argument is literally "they're 16 that means they're legal"Your take away from, "Children are to be trained to be adults", was, "It's okay to have sex with them"?
Like how fucking stupid do you have to be?
Do you see someone teaching a child how to boil water and call them a groomer?
Do you see someone teaching their teenager how to drive a car and call them a child rapist?
I don't know what a worse fate, death, or living on day in your shoes and I cannot kill myself.
>>609463This is LeftyPol.
They're willfully retarded.
It goes to show what I said earlier is true.
All this moral obsession about "grooming" is just projecting ones self imposed vulnerability.
That thread made on the LeftyPol board about infantilism was spot-on
Currently watching The Boyfriend. It's sooooooo cuttteeeee. I need to talk to people about it.
>>609463>>609482Children are groomed into marriage. Since you're young, you're basically trained into marriage and having children. Even in school fairs there used to be a "marriage booth". Not to mention the imposition of gender norms on fucking babies, like piercings, dresses, bowties for female babies, and pants, hats, etc for male babies. It's normalized grooming so nobody gives a shit.
>>610693Thats not grooming that's social conditioning.
Kids are not trained for marriage at least not since the twentieth century.
If anything they're coerced into gender expectations but they're not groomed.
>>609370You know what I mean. Im talking about thr obnoxious whining and entitlement to love without having any thing to bring to the table.
Its like wanting a suitcase of millions of dollars without discerning your occupation.
>>610693>trained into […] having childreni want to beat people like you with those giant inflatable mallets they have at carnivals and fairs
marriage is socially conditioned as
>>610804 already wrote, sex (and the adjacent intimacy) is a biological need that i am not surprised is often repudiated on a board such as the one we're on
as sour as the grapes are, sex is a need, children are a side effect, we do have contraceptives for that now but for the majority of human history we did not
stop turning our relative prosperity into an ideology
(genders shouldn't be enforced either, tho)
>>610693>petit-bourgeois marry because it materially benefits both parties<this is grooming! they do it against their will!It's all so tiresome.
>>610863The inevitability of being filled with radlib losers whose conception of the world centers entirely around the idea of "propaganda" or whatever the fuck.
>>610966Idealism begets expectation
Expectation begets entitlement
Entitlement begets indignation
Indignation begets insurrection
Insurrection begets reformation
Reformation begets regression
Regression begets desperation
Desperation begets idealism
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