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>>599351>>604537I'm being serious. Do you have any idea how expensive cosmetic surgery is? Well it's actually not that expensive to perform, there just isn't much competition and the demand is insane so they can charge patients what they want. Insurance companies also take a massive cut of course.
>>604538I highly doubt that.
>>604539If you are autistic then time isn‘t going to change that. If you are an incel then you gotta change your outlook.
>>604540Of course YOU would doubt that because you are an idiot with a misguided worldview who thinks he needs to wait years just be able to approach women or get cosmetic surgery.
>>604538People need to stop posting outliers as rebuttals to dumb opinions
>>604534Anon, if you're serious, you really are autistic.
Instead of wasting money on cosmetic surgery, why not save up to get a place of your own or something?
>>604541>Of course YOU would doubt that because you are an idiot with a misguided worldview who thinks he needs to wait years just be able to approach women or get cosmetic surgery.Right now, I am pretty much worthless. I'm only just starting out in my career, my apartment is tiny, my body has no muscle and I drive an 11 year old mid-range car. For all intents and purposes I am completely undesirable, no sane woman would want to date me.
But in a few year's time I will be earning enough to move into a nicer place, I will have been working out for a while so my body will look better, I will be able to afford a luxury car and hopefully my hair and skin will be fixed by the surgery. It's obviously going to be best to wait until then rather than go through the humiliation of being rejected over and over because no girl wants to date a loser. What I'm saying is completely logical.
>>604549You're just as dumb as
>>604534>>604551It's detrimental on its own merit.
Yes, wit and talent get the girl. But most of us are of average or subpar wit and talent.
So we need assets and looks as well.
>>604548>Motivational lexical diarrhea to soothe the egos of midwits who think they're above lookism >>604551>you think your socioeconomic status is the priorityWhat else do I have to offer a woman other than my socioeconomic status? I'm neither naturally attractive nor charismatic (it doesn't help I've had a stutter since childhood which I barely managed to keep under control).
>Pulling women is solely about social intelligence and inner gameElon Musk has had like five wives. Were they all won over by his incredible charm and personality?
>>604557>What else do I have to offer a woman other than my socioeconomic status? I'm neither naturally attractive nor charismaticYour socioeconomic status isn‘t going to do much to get women unless you will get filthy rich. Additionally, what kind of shitty relationship would that be if you attracted her solely with that? How are you willing to work for years to get women through money but not simply working on social intelligence and inner game?
>Elon Musk has had like five wives. Were they all won over by his incredible charm and personality?I didn‘t say money has no impact at all but you need to be very fucking rich to compensate being a tard like him.
>>604562>Additionally, what kind of shitty relationship would that be if you attracted her solely with that?Like I said, there is nothing else I could possibly attract a woman with. Once in a relationship if I can provide my partner with a good life through my career maybe I will have a chance of not dying alone.
>How are you willing to work for years to get women through money but not simply working on social intelligence and inner game?Those things largely come naturally and girls would quickly realize that I am just pretending to not be a loser.
>>604566>Don't be fatalisticI beg to differ.
Fatalism is much more well rounded than "equal opportunity".
Also "treat life like a game"?
I'm so tired of this shitty metaphor for life.
"Life is like a game". Gee, I wonder why so many people are losers. You can only play for so long.
Time and money are not bottomless.
You got a be very sparing about where you cast your shot.
Not the raccoon poster btw but he's not wrong about your obnoxious motivational platitudes.
>>604566Already doing that, still an incel though. Also
>work towards the best version of yourselfHavent you just criticised OP for thinking he needs to be this to get laid?
>>604766I'm purposely avoiding professional medical advice/treatment on this matter.
>>604768It just needs to be done.
>>604788My fingers are fine I just really strongly want to cut them off. I sort of hate them.
>>604789I want to preserve them so I can shout at them. The internet says 70% alcohol and 30% water to preserve them in a jar. If I order ethanol now I can just keep my fingers in the freezer for a few days until it arrives. Or would thawing them out cause problems? Idk I need to look into that.
>>604791>I sort of hate them. Why? Did they do something? Did they
fail to do something?
>>604792Yes.
>>604793Fuck. Are you just saying that to try and stop me? Do you have proof of this claim? I don't know who I can trust here…
>>604821You're projecting your misery onto women.
Pls fuck off.
People here would kill to be a fuckboy especially since being a sincere nice guy who wants a relationship often ends up in being dumped or indirectly cucked.
>>604869Idk how true this is.
Methinks that's exclusive to thin slender women.
Alot of women have big hands
>>604699>>604700God made a mistake creating me in this reality.
He shouldve made me in a yaoi reality.
Of course people will try to rationalize this with "God made you special/unique". But behind your back they sneer at you for being funny-looking and funny-acting.
Imo, if man is God's greatest masterpiece, He must have terrible priorities. The greatest masterpiece of creation would be stars and planets.
Not humans.
>>605019>They're "too nerdy"some people can get very… very nerdy, to the point of it being quite annoying
>reasons they cannot control i.e. heightas a general rule yes but there are times where this is acceptable
>They don't make enough moneyi wouldnt do it either but i think we shouldnt judge people who do (unless they're already rich), some just want to get out of poverty and living togheder with someone saves a lot of money
>>605210From my sample of 1, I second
>>605224, no smell, slight acidic taste.
>>605132What does
>Not okaymean?
If a woman or guy was completly attracted to me, but found out I was a virgo or something – I can think of them as cringe sure, but it's all about consent, so it's still valid at the end.
From what I gather of it, it just seems like it's impossible to work with women and I shouldn't bother, no matter what you do they'll always auto assume you're going to rape them at any moment.
And being an ally just seems like pure punishment, where you'll be abused and even stabbed in the back at a moments notice.
Like what if I get slandered, falsely accused of rape, or raped, or murdered, or whatever – and the feminists (and generally women) do everytthing in their power to argue in favor of it occuring?
I know being an ally isn't supposed to be easy, but like you don't see acab people being fine with black cops or white people being murdered by cops – there's mutual suffering.
It just seems like feminists think men inherently want to rape, and are upset they aren't the rapists.
Or should I embrace/joke about it, like how Matt Christman loves the idea of living in New york and being blown up by a terrorist or the state at any moment?
Anyway posting on a proxy, have to make a post to make a thread, and doesn't seem to work so I'll just post in here.
Also was shadow banned I think from like 10 different subreddits.
>>605320oops I forgot that the title.
"What's the mental processing about the bear discourse?"
>>605328>If you look good women are more receptive towards you and if you look bad women treat you preemptively like a creep.Maybe don't peddle lies like this here. Sure some women do work like this, but many also have done the effort to learn how to act like normal respectful human being and not treat people unequally for shit they cannot control, in example their looks. Additionally women more often have paid enough attention to systematic harm that ranking ppl by the looks causes, so there's a better chance that a woman doesn't judge you as much for your looks than a random guy would judge a woman. You might be projecting your own biases.
Anyway, my advice:
If you find people judging you for your looks, try to find better people if possible. Those kind of social circles aren't good for anyone.
>>605345Truth isn't simply observable. You can only observe the social circles around you, and make biased judgements about the world based on them. If I tell you that where I'm from there's great many people who can ignore the childish idea that looks matter that much, that disvalues your claim even if that's not something you haven't observed.
You're arrogant and aggressive, that matters more than your looks.
>>605328From what I gather, they aren't creeped out, and I have nice discussions, even have one that's a friend that we usually chat once a week.
I just go into that worries thinking since of when I read, "The Cat Person", and it has given me a really bad view of women.
>>605339Sounds promising, I just get the worry since there's also a desite to just dismiss men's problems as much as possible.
Like I'm not saying men struggle more than women, but I find it odd that whenever men talk about the difficulties of getting custody of children, women (or atleast feminists) get really angry about it – even though it's a clear situation of patriarchy fucking over men, and this is a perfect time of mutual sufferage.
Especially on that mutual part is why the bear thing bothers me.
Why be a feminist ally when they don't think men suffer anything, and instead I'll just be abused and possible stabbed in the back?
What if I get raped, or slandered, or false accused of rape, or murdered, or whatever – and the feminists (and generally women in this worry) not once even consider my side and just approach eveything as me being automatically guilty?
>>605355Self-proclaimed feminists don't speak for all women as much as they like to pretend they do
. They hardly represent women as a whole any more than MRA guys represent men as a whole.
>>605368You made a universal statement:
>so there's a better chance that a woman doesn't judge you as much for your looks than a random guy would judge a woman. But to quote you:
>You might be projecting your own biases. >>605379Then based on your own reasoning you are in no position to state your belief as true.
Also, you keep misunderstanding the subject. This isn‘t about any consciously held beliefs. Most people would give you the politically correct answer that looks don‘t matter and probably even believe it. This is rather about inevitable psychological mechanisms and the real social dynamics that unfold because of them.
Additionally, that‘s nice that you are such a brooding, self-reflected person but most people are not. Most people are allistic which is a cognitive type heavily geared towards conserving mental labor and therefore employing heuristic reasoning.
>>605357That's reassuring
>>605345There's a aspect of it that I worry about, that being of the subconsious.
Like there was a video of a female comedian doing a comedic but realistic thought process of what it would be like to be an office girl and it'd be situations like:
> Girl alone with guy in elevator< "Smile, be nce, and laught at everything he says so he doesn't strike"> See girl in floor< "Finally, friend!"Which mentally bothers me in a stress and complications problem, but it's abit different from the backstabbing feminism issue.
Where since women see men as something that's stonger than them, will always approach in this fear like approach, even if just mildly affected, and the only way they can properly approach you if they think you're gay (not interested in you), or are emotional (can fight back).
I'm not going to say they aren't justified in parts or even all in that thinking, (though women sell themselves short and should be willing to use self defense stuff no matter what), it's definitely a depressing and frustrating mental block to deal with.
>>605365Maybe that's so, it's not like I'm in those circles alot.
I just have a harder time dismissing those comments and stuff since it's not like single digit like posts but like whole social media trends (like the bear situation).
And also like with the other guy, it's still possible thing that it's in women's subconsious (even if smaller), worsened by even if I talk to them they'll just refuse to communicate, like the girl from, "The Cat Person", who at most communicated a "black aura".
This persons post
>>605378 , which doesn't really connect to what the issue is, (women using looks to judge or attack you in real life vs. women being picky who they date) – it reminds me of how trans men know they're passing when they meet a woman and the girls is extremly cold to them.
An issue that leads them to being extremly depressed and sad since that since patriachy has made it so men don't do that to other men, so the warmness they're used to pre-transitioning is gone, and they're not used to that starvation.
>>605373While you can argue that both are baseless, with anfem you can argue in a general that people are nice and stuff, and worries like mine it's up to me to find more concrete evidence to reason through.
>>605389Forgot to claify why the trans men comparison:
Even if the women don't hate men or something, they have a subconsious (usually though here it's active consious) fear, hence the coldness as a defense mechanism to protect them.
Neither I or the trans-men would say they're wrong to think and act like that.
Just a frustaring thing that alot of those men-hating-feminists online would get angry if you even recognized, (and they're everywhere pushed by the algorithm).
(Also had a brain fart, this and last post is tied to women auto assuming you're going to rape them at any moment, I guess I didn'r realize it since this is more of subconsious influencing than anything).
>>605386>Or that when somebody initially pretty turns out to be dumb as bricks, their face suddenly isn't as appealing?That seems to me more like a female phenomenon, since women‘s feelings of attraction are more complex and more dependent on a guys behavior.
>Beauty is subjective, and more people understand that than you give credit for.That literally wasn‘t ever my point.
>and not spread the idea that you GOTTA have looks to even try.I never said that.
>women mature emotionally fasterI sincerely disbelieve that.
>>605383Looks bias is extremely visible for men. Everyone understands a short pr scrwany man isn't considered a real man. We have all heard this from men AND women many times IRL. Women who even came on to me in the first place, bitches I was meh about in the first place, after giving them a chance they have made fun of me for being short.
Like I have known a couple cunty guys, but in my experience women are way more cunty. At least with guys trying to sneak diss, they know what time it is, they know they are playing a dangerous game and they are potentially going to have to face some fists or worse. Women just do this shit woth a feeling of impunity. Or maybe they thonk I am going to "punish them in the bedroom" or something. Anyways I have no patience for that shit.
But nobody can tell me women are not just as or bigger cunts than men
>>605419Please dont, approach women in gyms, elevators, on public transport, at funerals, laundromats, libraries, museums, medical facilities of all sorts, at work, during study, while breastfeeding, whatever, places where there is some reasonable chance they do not wish to interact with you.
>>605411You seem super insecure. I understand they hurt you, but blaming a whole diverse group of people for it doesn't offer
you a good way forward. Like this whole straw(wo)man you've constructed seems like emotional support stereotype you use to avoid considering that maybe the shit that was said and done to you fucked you up and made you into a rude presumptive asshole. It's not fair since it wasn't your fault, but nobody else is gonna fix it, sorry.
>>605399>Idk, maybe it's easier to notice if you pay attention?I‘m very psychologically self-aware, so no. No matter how many character flaws a woman has if she looks attractive I still feel turned on by her, even if I hate her.
>I think the idea that a guy will fuck anything with a pretty face and nice tits is super harmful to menI think your problem is that you first judge whether or not a claim is immoral or has negative ethical implications and based on that decide to reject it‘s truth value. You then go on a crusade against this claim. If it‘s true it‘s true. Guys will literally fuck any woman who is sexually attractive even if she was Hitler reincarnate.
>I'm actually curious now. Why?Because that‘s not what I see. Clearly, you generally have to walk ouyghshells with women so I don‘t see the emotional maturity part in that. Women are socialized into being civil and keep themselves small and that may mislead you into thinking they are emotionally mature. Women also can‘t assert their will so they have to take the social route acquire what is in their interest, which also appears mature but then there is gossip, manipulation, two-facedness and mind games that I am happy I don‘t have to engage with as a man. At least not to that extent.
>>605465You dumbasses could just smoke the damn heroin tho. You know they even inject meth? I hanged out with some guys that injected meth. I got baited into snorting meth by the sane paycho who baited my friend into injecting meth with him.
Like literally all these ingestion methods work for all drugs pretty much. In order of safest to least safe:
>ingestion meaning swallowing it>sublimation/boofing>smoking>snorting>injectionReally I think rocking pure cocaine with baking soda and smoking it is safer.
>>605465There is so much more to this story of this dude who I only met for one day. He was so proud of how he worked about how he worked at a bank and no one knew he was a heroin junkie getting high all day long.
He was a White boy, like early 20s probably 20, 21, remember as younger than me so that nust be it. He said he was in some biker gang since puberty or something and he she showed me some gang tats. He told me that he had been in prison for like a couple years because he had been told by this gang to do this fake drug deal and hand this guy some fake drugs which was like a piece of tire wrapped up then shoot the guy. Being a juvenile he didn't have to serve a super long sentence. Who knows thi, druggies are liars.
>>605430>Guys will literally fuck any woman who is sexually attractive even if she was Hitler reincarnateBut that's not true. You're being gender essentialist and that's not healthy for anyone. It's just a culturally transmitted stereotype.
>Clearly, you generally have to walk ouyghshells with women so I don‘t see the emotional maturity part in that. So what sort of stuff you think you need to avoid with women, so they don't get offended?
>>605661Depends on woman. Maybe learn your way out of such generalistic thinking, people tend to like when you treat them as an individual and not an examplary of whatever group you see them being part of.
Not making assumptions about people because of their gender, race or whatever is nowadays a standard of normal human interraction, and if you keep failing that it's really hard to do socializing well.
>>605710Sure, these conversations have been gone over so many times that both sides have developed habitual responses. I'm doing my best to break the loop, but please understand the
momentum is pushing us towards conflict and mutual hatered.
>>605724This is where you're wrong. Bullying isn't just "dumb teenagers". And even if it was, it's not as comical as you think it is
Idk why people are more upset about kids playing on iPads but not about bullying.
>>605734>Bullying mainly gets more adapt to social etiquette and more socially intelligent with age. Thats only in the upper class circles and only in public. Bullying is just as raw and unfiltered in lower class circles after puberty
>>605732Seriously, being insecure isn't about
being weak. Your bias is showing.
>>605817Omega verse is mainly a yaoi thing.
And all what you say about alleged sexual preferences of women being wacky is very petulant.
Also, cishet male gaze is boring. As is the cishet female gaze.
>>605852>do you really think that bullying weaker people is a good way to gain social standing for member of highly cooperative species?There are no such absolutes. Humans cooperate and still also engage in such behavior for the reason I've just stated.
>Do you think some could use strategy of helping people who are generally bullied to gain social status?Which would defeat the very purpose I've outlined, no. It's like asking a capitalist to use their wealth to help the poor, after all "aren't human beings a highly cooperative species".
>>605857So don't you think there exists social cirlcles, among all social cirlces, where being seen as a bully actually
drops your social status instead of increasing it?
>>605843it is a joke you retard, do you think people normally write "feral psychopaths with an unhealthy interest in dog-type penises"
it just surprised me that such a complex and elaborate fetish has gained this much traction in the recent years
>>605873>Yea most people fucking suck, maybe find the good ones.They are far and few between, that's why we're all here. Actually I have a lot of good people in my life, but not really people I can see eye to eye with, for example people like yourself who can't stand to talk about unattractive aspects of reality.
But a lot of these people here have like 0 positive relationships in their life pretty much. You say not to brag but you know you're bragging. Everything is easier said than done. Count your blessings.
>>605933I mean, yeah? a woman that has been with a pierced guy has no reason to downgrade back to unpierced men
>>605927come on anon, don't be so negative, your dick might be useless but you still have a perfectly fine prostate you know
>>604563If you're autistic and physiognomically cursed, why are you wanting to pass off your genes?
Your offspring will turn out less fortunate than you
Idk why dysfunctional people still feel like they're entitled to pass off their genes
>>605375Men are victims of lookism just like women. The problem is,men are defaulted to be comical subjects or warriors so their personal suffering isn't as sympathised or intimated.
>>605368>It's part of growing to a functional adult. Why don't you believe people can suppress instincts or overcome cognitive biases. All of us have done that countless times during our lives.Anytime someone uses "adult" as some positive maturational metaphor or simile, I laugh inside.
Adults are the ones who implement these biases in the first place but then blame kids for acting on it.
Also, most adults, especially when they get older, tend to be more ingrained in their biases.
Functional adults create wars and caste systmes for the disabled, elderly, and young
>>604828Can confirm.
Personally I'm just patiently waiting to hear that she rejected me for someone shorter and/or uglier. I can respect it if he is smart, if not, it will burn twice.
Maybe she is still waiting for me to get in better shape and with a better career right???hahahaha just kidding, idk what she will do and I'm in no mood to be be judging at me by asking her friends too soon >>605677Its the opposite
>>605379>Women tend to go for older men precisely because women mature emotionally faster, and only older men have usually had time to work some shit out so they aren't just dead weight for the relationship.Idk man. Methinks that the requirements of maturity for men is more than for women. Male maturity is often based entirely on how worldly and loaded he is.
Age numbers are often overused as virtue points within themselves.
Women on the other hand are seen as perfect when they're young. But as they age, their social value declines.
>>605853You did
You said men are more likely to judge womens looks than women would judge mens looks.
You also said women wmotionall mature faster than men hence why women like their male partners to be older than them.
As a guy myself, I hang out with older guys and most of them are petty hebegynophilic jocks.
Their maturity is only physiological.
>>605379Thats because they're already established and have social and economic power so of course they won't care about looks as much.
>>605379 >>605339Women are perceptive to lookism bias affecting them.
They're not as perceptive when it affects men.
Not unlike vice versa.
>>606141I beg to differ on the last sentence.
Lookism was worse in the pre-Internet age. Girls were forced to bind their feet or wear a set of metal hoops around their neck to make their neck appear taller.
Men used to have to get painful tribal tattoos to orive their masculinity.
Lookism now is tame compared to back then.
It sucks but at least you're no longer threatened with exile.
You have a choice to not participate in the dating game.
>>606178Thats because female orgasm takes kinger to build up and release. Also there's such a thing as female gooners.
This anti porn sentiment is getting annoying.
Not everyone wants or needs meatspace to satisfy sexual urges.
>>606181>go outside and you'll get pussy, that's literally all you have to doLike how tho? As a man it just shrimply doesn't work like that. I've even had women do real thirsty shit like bend over in front of me and look back at me and shit, but what do you do?
>You just grab them and say c'mere whore let's fuck!As a man there is no simple "it happens" in my experience. It is 100% you make it happen and I don't feel really comfortable doing that with strange women. I don't trust women at all. I know they're going to get my involved with some bullshit that I don't want to be involved with and it's not worth it.
>>606181Yea the whining about sexlessness is annoying but pls don't ever say "It's easy to get pussy".
>>606187This. Just do M4M hookups. If not, invest in sex dolls
>>606265Men are rated as ugly ass uyghurs by both.
I have noticed this, I'm bi and guys are just very infrequently attractive. Still way easier to find another guy I do find attractive and have sex than getting a girl to not summon the guards and have them execute me for existing
>>606183Go outside, get a job, get friends, anything that involves human interaction
They always make it vague when they help loners get a girlfriend but it's simple, be somewhere that involves other people and keep it up for a while and you'll meet women
>>606187You ask their info and talk to them, ask them out if you feel like you have enough courage to do it, it'll feel great once you actually do it once because you feel proud of yourself of having had the balls to do it
>>606189It's easy to get pussy, everyone gets it with minimal effort, it means you're putting in zero effort, put in some effort
I know ugly and awkward dudes with zero social skills who have girlfriends that put mine to shame, and they do nothing special in particular, they were just there at the right time
>>606332I dont think thats applicable to this board, and generally to the younger internet savvy people, with social media what women actually find physically attractive became very clear.
>>606335Tall, muscular, lean, hunter eyes, sharp jawline, pronounced cheekbones, head full of hair.
>>606321>It's easy to get pussy, everyone gets it with minimal effort, it means you're putting in zero effort, put in some effortBy easy effort, you mean get a job and pay for a ninety day meal plan for the woman in question.
>I know ugly and awkward dudes with zero social skills who have girlfriends that put mine to shame, and they do nothing special in particular, they were just there at the right timeWill you people please stop using outliers as confirmation for your opinion?
>>606360By looking at what kind of looks women simp for? Not actors or musicians, social clout interferes there, but random instagram or tiktok men who post thirsttraps for their following of horny women.
>>606354>Good haircutAbsolutely meaningless phrase.
>not overweightDidnt ask what women
dont find attractive. Skinnyfat is no overweight, nobody things that looks good.
Hey anfem poster, I really apreciate your efforts in giving advice in this thread despite the (at best) internal mysogny.
I want to go for the jugular in analysis, you say that size doesn't matter, so if someone had a small dick, how would they make a woman cum then? (Or atleast you).
On the surface level, it sounds like a lie so women can atleast get a bf, seeing that women will have sex just to be nice (like in, "The Cat Person") and that many own dildos above 6 or even 8in.
Not a woman, but I myself own dildos up to 12in and deepthroat 10in, so I have a hard time imagining women being fine with 5 or less. Especially because of the evolutionary reasons why we have big dicks.
(Now that I'm writing this, I just realized a cope is finding a girl with a small or shallow pussy, but that's never brough up as a counter argument by women, so I'm still wondering)
>>606381Those guys have money and offer free housing
>>606384Women do simp, although not the same way as men do
>>606415> I know that some women fake orgasms just not to absolutely wreck some man's self esteemIt's such a frustrating situation.
Reminds me of how women will mock men for thinking the waiter flirting with them is serious, even though men don't experience warmth from women and neither men (unlike women on women), so they just are extremly limited on any of that stuff.
(Plus some women's level of hitting on you is just looking at you and smiling).
Even being charitable on that toxic behavior (even if it's reasonable), the approach like
>>606181 of it's super easy is what makes this extremly frustrating.
> It's super easy! > But also there's textbooks worth of theory and analysis you gotta go through first> And if you make a mistake like daring to ask a girl out at a grocery, (since the only places you go to are work, home, or male dominated gender spaces like gaming stores, (extremly little in 3rd spaces), then YOU'RE A BAD GUY ACTQUALLY HOW DARE YOU DO THAT AND NOT REALIZE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Boosted in how they also brag about being empathetic
> God I'm so empathetic! A shame you guys cant see other perspectives like what if you had a pussy. > Or you cant see it from a women's pov even though all your interactions with women are of a negative or neutral (like how you talk to other guys) experience! (All strengthened by society pushing certain gender roles, and women defending or upholding them).
>>606425I feel like so many of both men and women self isolate into groups with only their own gender present, and then develop these wild misunderstanding about how opposite gender works. It's so frustrating to follow for me, since I've been part of mixed gender spaces and have many good friends from all genders. No that hasn't landed me with a girlfriend or boyfriend, but i dont mind that much since hearing from both sides of relationship dramas makes me think that maybe it's better to be alonr than with someone whom I don't really sync with. My personality is kinda demanding, so I'm waiting to stumble upon someone who
really likes the kind of fucked up I've got to offer.
>>606421> it objectively isQuestion on difficulty and approach.
Learn how to think.
> That's encouragement, not bashing.Being nice – I can see your approach, the tough love approach – but it really didn't work here since your response is extremly incomplete.
Like lets walk through it:
> Possible to make them cum- It's not men's domain, so women who can cum with their fingers do so since they know all the spots, men wont find success since they don't have a pussy, (not even approximate with anal stimuatlion).
- Maybe sticking fingers in their or rubbing their clit, but sex ed is poor, so poor that women don't even know their own pussys (like 50% of british women thinking they only had two holes for instance). Plus pounding is an exercise that you want to do quickly, getting fingers in the way wouldn't help, (which you'll probably forget to considering rubbing the clit since the disregard of using fingers leads you to forgetting that, plus you having to balance other stuff like dirty talk and her mood, which noted later women aren't very cooperative).
- Also orgasm work different, and the feed back is poor. Many men just watch a video, rub thier dick, and move on. Women will go further and even use their imagination, or just smell or whatever). During sex, if it's not enuogh for women, women will fake it instead of communicating for whatever dumb bitch reasons they can bullshit (I will be mean, fuck you, communicate with your partners), so you'jj just have replicating mistakes. And you probably will since your strats are probably gonna be picked up from porn (which is muh bad to watch instead of reading le porn!).
- In all of that above, it'd be easy fo conclude that you'd be referencing something like strapons, which is an options, but you'd take mental abuse from the demasculing you'd go through. Even if you cry, "NU UH", it's a problem to consider in the continuation of a relationship since many women stress a want of that masculinity from men for dating. Why it's harder to date women for bi guys for instance since they instantly start thinking of you taking it up the ass (even though muh women aren't the porn addict it's le men!!!), and wont date you because of that.
I get why you made the aggressive approach in the beginning since it's a ferquenly asked question, but women's response has just been a, "Trust me bro!!!!", even though many constantly lie about them orgasming (real trust worthy…).
>>606426It's a real frustrating situation with capitalism.
A solution I think that can be approached, other than structural changes, would probably be spaces in the betweens to invite that, de-gender stuff, and push people to challenge themselves.
Many bad faith actors, that even reasonable why they act like that, really should be attacked for being such massive roadblocks.
Like those women who make videos of making fun or attacking men for daring to approach them, really should be attacked as much as feminists attack incels for instance.
(And the response from the feminist crows cannot be, "Well it's also an issue, and since we recongnize it, DONT YOU FUCKING DARE US TO SAY IT'S BAD AND BE PUBLICALLY AGAINST IT!!!!!!!", as if men would know the context of their group and be willing to take their mental abuse to learn anything about them).
>>606425>>606426Newgene here. This is why I never bothered get into dating and enjoy everyone as friends.
With or without potential benefits.
Humans are pathologically incapable of appreciating each other without the lens of potential mating.
Yet, they claim themselves to be transcendent of the animal kingdom.
Imo, we should just invest our aphroditic drive into erotica and sex dolls. And cartoon porn.
>>606421>The conversation was about if it is possible to make a woman cum with a small penisStatistically it is unlikely though. You can have a small penis, and make woman cum, but majority of women do not orgasm from penetration alone. Big penis allows for stimulating pressure-sensitive neurons in the deeper parts of vagina, and indirectly also clitoris through vaginal walls. Having above-average penis is desirable both aesthetically, and functionally.
>>606384>Like why the fuck would you think that instagram culture is a good representation of tastes overall, esp since algorithm itself is biased.There are also studies about which features women find attractive, and observing how and to whom women do express sexual attraction is a perfectly valid data. And while algorithm plays a role, part of that algorithm is what kind of contend women like and comment on.
>>606383>The average is irrelevant cause the spread of the datat is too big.The point is identifying traits where spread isnt big. For example, which haircut is most attractive, Im going to assume very big spread, hair vs bald, unambiguously very small spread, women like men who havent been ravaged by norwood reaper.
>>606432>Also orgasm work different, and the feed back is poor. Many men just watch a video, rub thier dick, and move on. Women will go further and even use their imagination, or just smell or whatever)Men also use their imagination when they Jack off.
And some go further than just rub their dick. But, men are discouraged from bodily self-love.
Men are never taught to appreciate their bodies beyond war and comedy.
>>606415Anything men worry about is always "fragile masculinity". Yet, if men didn't care about making women cum, they're considered selfish.
>>606441Fair point.
But it's not childish because adults promote those things for children to internalise.
It's just absurd.
Chivalry is the ultimate expression of male faux pas
>>606450What is the size of sex toys they buy would be a good measure. Or asking single women about their preferred penis size.
flooddetected
>>606448Most adults promote stereotypes whether they admittingly know it or not.
Kids don't create the general culture, adults do. Kids just reflect it back and are pathologised as immature for it
>>606455Andrew Tate here with another course on the Alpha Male Project ™ about compensatory balance.
How much is too much?
Just pay another five ninety nine to find out
>>606415>>606420>>606425>>606432>>606439I despise the term fragile masculinity because it's almost always used as an "intellectual" insult against men. Men want women to enjoy sex with them. Men view orgasms as a metric for this. It's hilarious how Gen Z men grew up constantly being berated about how terrible men are and then when they attempt to be better than the last generation (even in misguided ways) they get insulted for it in ways that are comparable to if they didn't even bother.
Personally, even though I recognize that good sex isn't synonymous with orgasm, I'm still a bit disappointed when my partner doesn't orgasm. I never mention it though because women are fickle and get the "ick" from literally anything a man does that isn't considered traditionally masculine (despite claiming to not like traditional masculinity).
>>606426Women do this by choice while men (excluding Chad) just fall into it.
>>606437Worth noting that even when I'm half flaccid, my penis is above average size.
>>606439Body acceptance doesn't exist for men because society doesn't support it. Skinny men are rarely depicted positively in media. At best if you're white, early 20s, and have an otherwise attractive face, you can eBoy/Tumblrsexymanmax. Personally, only fat women have ever genuinely complimented my frame. Concerning body related compliments, at best women compliment my dick size, contrasting it to my small frame.
>>606465>I despise the term fragile masculinity because it's almost always used as an "intellectual" insult against men. Men want women to enjoy sex with them. Men view orgasms as a metric for this. It's hilarious how Gen Z men grew up constantly being berated about how terrible men are and then when they attempt to be better than the last generation (even in misguided ways) they get insulted for it in ways that are comparable to if they didn't even bother.This is why adults shouldn't encourage kids into idealism. Adults are always trying to get kids to "change the world" so that the elders can escape moral burden.
>Personally, even though I recognize that good sex isn't synonymous with orgasm, I'm still a bit disappointed when my partner doesn't orgasm. I never mention it though because women are fickle and get the "ick" from literally anything a man does that isn't considered traditionally masculine (despite claiming to not like traditional masculinity).Men condition women into being fickle beings.
Fathers raise their daughters as little goddesses that are never meant to be questioned or required to prove themselves.
>Body acceptance doesn't exist for men because society doesn't support it. Skinny men are rarely depicted positively in media. At best if you're white, early 20s, and have an otherwise attractive face, you can eBoy/Tumblrsexymanmax. Personally, only fat women have ever genuinely complimented my frame. Concerning body related compliments, at best women compliment my dick size, contrasting it to my small frame.This . Male beauty is pathologised in media as serial killers, abusers, or weaklings.
But then again, men are also pathologised for being ugly or plain.
>>606472>Fathers raise their daughters as little goddesses that are never meant to be questioned or required to prove themselves.This is a good point but ignores the existence of mothers who do nothing to dissuade that point.
>This . Male beauty is pathologised in media as serial killers, abusers, or weaklings.There's also the hero archetype that expects men to be every woman's bodyguard.
>>606473<If you say anything that depicts women in a bad light, you're crazy uwuStop gaslighting.
>>606484>There's also the hero archetype that expects men to be every woman's bodyguard.That's the chevalier/cavalry/horsemen/Knight hence the word "chivalry".
>This is a good point but ignores the existence of mothers who do nothing to dissuade that point.Mothers are fully grown postpubescent daughters whom are only fulfilling their social conditioning to passing off the treatment onto the new generation.
>>606519>>606521Chances are she gave a young man the time of his life
America and Western Europe are very absurd about the definitions of sexuality.
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) >>606520>>606522Language is ninety five percent connotation.
It's not what you say but how you say it.
>>606570If you believe this then you shouldn't incarcerate 18 yos for dating younger.
Otherwise your logic is just useless ageism
>>606588Projection much?
I have 18yos who were good at sex
>>606596>>606597It's just a paternalistic stereotype that's been normalised too much.
By that logic, women are inherently fragile beings who shouldn't seek sex.
Disabled people shouldn't be allowed to breed
god I need me a bitch to sex up
like I don't even want to sex her up, I want to fucking love her so hard it scares her
i want to be there for her when she's sick,
i want to be able to take her shoes off and massage her feet when she's tired, I want to find her little woman things all around her house and I want to caress and intimately map every nook and cranny of her body,
I want to lick her feet and eat her out until she's a hollering mess of woman syrup, a giggling mess of nymphomanie
i would literally worship the right woman like they were a fucking goddess, in my loneliness I've transcended horniness, like yes I want to pull her panties to the side and COOM in her warm vagina but I unironically want to care for a woman like nothing else, like holy shit I want to give a woman little cuddles and smooches and fix her car and tie her down, rape her (consensually) and set her panties on fire
I want to be stark fucking raving, Terry Davis levels of maniacal fanaticism in love with a woman, I want to make her laugh so hard her smile is imprinted onto the actual cranial folds of my stupid moid monkey brain, I want to kiss every single inch of her body and make sure she's safe and protected always and and and
i want to be able to offer feedback on her outfits and I want to see them in the morning without make up on
but it won't happen
she's not out there, I'm knocking in thirty, the world is cold, empty and all I wake up hugging is my pillow
i want to believe maybe there is a woman out there who feels the same
but I want to believe in true love, a real love that leads to life affirming, prostate shattering orgasms where we're both hooting in simian ecstasy, forgetting that we'll both eventually die and that all goodness fades with time, collapsing into each others bodies and getting as close to telepathy as any two people can get, reach out your hand and put in mine with good confidence and I'll try my best to do the same…
I want to love a woman so hard my head explodes thinking about it, my body a smoldering wreck of unrestrained passion
>>606601Then using 18-22 as some disability within itself is wrongfully discriminative.
You're just going on paternalistic stereotypes because young people are the only group that's considered ok to stereotype/pathologise for flaws.
Yet, you're not allowed to do so against elderly, disabled, ethnic, or LGBT
>>606610Again, 18yos are infantilised.
You assume age numbers are virtue points within themselves.
Maturity and intelligence are not determined solely by age.
We have a lot of adults who are thirty and they're maladapted and misoriented and it's becoming more common nowadays.
>>606610>Those are reasons why they are not "equal" to the adults couple years older. They are misoriented and malaadapted. If anyone thinks that is hot, they have a predatory mindset, seeking for a weakness to exploit.This is typical projection of someone whose delayed maturity and projecting it unot younger folks
Yet you wouldn't have a problem with an 18yo going to prison for murder.
>>606617>Yet you wouldn't have a problem with an 18yo going to prison for murder.Of course I would. I believe in rehabilitative justice.
Your argument is fucking dumb anyway, sex isn't murder. Not even remotely close.
>>606624>Only discrimination here is that they get to only have their insecure 18 year old sex among themselves.I think you're the insecure one here.
Infantilising younger adults for the same of "safety"?
Methinks you were one of those insecure 18yos and you only recently "matured".
You're proving the point made in >>2102982
But ok ,by your logic. 18 should be exempt from criminal punishment for assault, robbery, and murder
>>606627How is my argument dumb?
Then by that logic, you're proving my point
>>606630Older people are in flux too.
And you telling your story only proves my point in
>>606617Its always the former degenerates who project their wasted youth onto everyone else.
This is what I'm talking about with solipsistic projection forced onto young adults
>>606634>This isn't discrimination. What is discrimination is the creepy hetero culture thinking that 18 year olds are the hottest thing ever and a woman only gets worse with age.That's a common exaggerated ageism that's brought up by women when they no longer get attention.
Plenty of women get adoration in their thirties and forties.
Also what's really creepy is how society encourages young people to be awkward and naive about sex.
The characteristic instability is due to modern culture infantilising the youth
And it's extending past the early twenties.
We are seeing an era where it's common to be neurotic and unstable throughout the twenties and thirties and forties.
>>606637Would 30 year old fucking a 17 year old be okay? If yes, there's the cut off point where someone suddenly becomes too immature for sex and after which they are always mature enough? As you know, humans don't work like that, but legal systrm doesn't really work with smooth continuums, so it has a sharp point where it assumes a human is capable of handling all the responsibilities that come with the new rights. Now, laws are also complementary to the social moral system, that is tasked with smoothing the transition. You can't be sure if a 18-year old is capable of handling, for example, fatherhood, even if its fully in his legal rights to be a father. Sure that applies to older men too, but it's more likely that if you talke about it with them they have formed a stance that is based on their own experience and not expectations of others., since they have been adulting for longer.
Like this shit is obvious, you got the new guy coming to work in the dildo factory, you give them bigger responsibilities gradually rather than dumping them all on him at once. It isn't discrimination it's common sense.
>>606645Again you assume age numbers are maturity points within themselves.
You're making the same mistake that maturity is unilaterally progressive with age and its not
And again. Ive been saying that society infantilises young people nowadays.
People had more responsibilities at 18 back then compared to nowadays. People having first time marriages at thirty and they fall apart.
Age only indicates how much time passed since birth.
Not skills level.
"They haven't lived long enough" is a common ignorant defense used to justify delayed maturity
And you're using "adulting" unironically
Your post is typical Gen Y logic.
>>606645>You can't be sure if a 18-year old is capable of handling, for example, fatherhood, even if its fully in his legal rights to be a father. Sure that applies to older men too,Why do people get offended by young men being fathers but not young women?
Even teenage girls being moms gets less question than an early vicenarian male being a dad
>>606647>Again you assume age numbers are maturity points within themselvesAlmost like you didn't read anything i said or at least didn't understand it. Numbers are legal abstraction, not the actual judgement of maturity.
>You're making the same mistake that maturity is unilaterally progressive with age and its not So you saying that 18 year olds are somehow in peak of their maturity and they will only get younger from that point on?
>People had more responsibilities at 18 back then compared to nowadays. People having first time marriages at thirty and they fall apart.Yea and that was a mighty shitty world back then.
>Age only indicates how much time passed since birth. Not skills level.Time spent doing factory work doesn't determine the skill level, but correlates strongly. As does being teenager correlate with being shit as sex and dumb as bricks.
>Your post is typical Gen Y logic.What is your obsession to try to pin me down into some generation to bolster your arguments. Might it be that you are ageist?
>>606650>Time spent doing factory work doesn't determine the skill level, but correlates strongly. As does being teenager correlate with being shit as sex and dumb as brickTo a certain degree. Also again. Our culture actively infantilises teens.
Also. Alot of the things we condemn teens for are common amongst adults except adults have rights.
>Almost like you didn't read anything i said or at least didn't understand it. Numbers are legal abstraction, not the actual judgement of maturity.Then your logic of teens being weak/dumb/clumsy is faulty. Because that implies age numbers as maturity levels.
>Yea and that was a mighty shitty world back then.And now people are talking about wanting to revive the past now. Not just rightists but also leftists.
But fr it's fucked up that we only respect the young as competent adults in times of crisis but then leave them in adolescence when in peacetime.
>So you saying that 18 year olds are somehow in peak of their maturity and they will only get younger from that point on?Maturity isn't age dependent and no.
Would you say a thirty year old is peak maturity?
>What is your obsession to try to pin me down into some generation to bolster your arguments. Might it be that you are ageist?Aren't you image board users constantly whining about boomers or zoomers all the time?
Or Gen X when you remember they exist?
>>606652>Some drawing is a sign of actual predation.At this point methinks "pedophile" is just a slur thrown around not unlike the N word or "pajeet".
And this is coming from a place that says morality is a spook, that murder isn't immoral but merely a logistical inconvenience.
>>606656Do you actually think that teenagers on average are as capable as adults?
Also ur unironically defending loli in midst of conversation about teenagers. Like sure you can say it's harm reduction, but it's still pedophilia. Pedophilia is about attraction, not predationm
>>606657Idk if you're joking or not.
Knowing imageboard users, y'all will sincerely believe this and play it off as a joke
All your moral obsession over pedophilia, racism, sexism,etc while discarding morals as spooks is more telling of personal dysfunction than actual grief with injustice.
I'm glad imageboards are dying.
Most of you people in here have far too much self-importance and think yourselves as underappreciated advisors.
How many threads must we have about being lonely and horny at thirty while having no job?
How many threads getting excited over some nobody podcaster making a corny joke or wrong interpretation must we have?
How many threads whining about some entertainment media because of some design changes?
>>606658Loli is fiction.
Teens are not.
Also you equating them together is typical strawmanning of imageboards.
And you're the one who brought up anime girl drawings.
Typical of imageboards.
>>606682I hope what you're saying is true
But from personal experience, people who think like that are often a result of wasted youth in delinquency or sloth
>>606687Oh, so what is the youth
supposed to be wasted on?
>>606689Worldliness and precociousness.
Abandon innocence and idealism
>>604713>>604719>>604726>>605875>>606180>try to move on from simping for Dasha<attempt to get into simping for Jadey Anh>find thisWhat the fuck is this Jadey Anh anon??
This is legit making me suicidal.
>>606657This is unironiccally what Millennials and Gen Z believe.
And latter Gen X.
They're spiritually castrated adults.
That's why they cry so much about adulting and join ralib or alt right farces.
>>606779These are the people who whine about TFW NO GF by their mid-thirties. They also whine about women treating men as backup plans despite doing the same thing given half a chance l
Also this is why you need to prompt girls to get birth control before fucking
>>606791You lack imagination or curiosity about the greater world.
This is why you'll end up bulldozed by "muh normies" because you're just a failed normie.
>>606914I'm starting to think that crazy is an overused adjective.
Real crazy is often hard to detect
You have obnoxious assholes but they're not crazy. They're just low empathy.
But yea you're right.
But wanna know something?
Crazy girls give out the best sex. As in actual crazy, not the obnoxious asshole cunts although there's overlap.
>>606791read about history, philosophy or something else that interests you.
learning new things
getting better at those things
engaging in hobbies
talking to people and connecting with them
helping your family and friends
eating good ass food
exercising
>>607439>Why can't people appreciate singlehood?I want to be single and get my dick wet. It's the only thing that drives me into unfulfilling relationships. If I had a reliable FWB who wanted to get dicked down raw about as much I think I could go single forever.
>>607481wagmi
>>608028That's one thing if you're stuck in dead end jobs.
Also idk why people think work is punishment within itself but gush over public schooling.
And I notice that most of our popularized existential angst is by financially endowed middle aged folk.
They have money, career, toys, and respect. Yet they don't appreciate it.
>>608023>They're just self-absorbed in their life goal to "change the world."I was going to agree until I got to this. That is a good reason to feel bad.
>There's more discussion about "changing the world" than actually chagning the world.Every plan starts with a discussion. The problem is most people aren't interested in changing the world, they're only interested in improving their own personal standing in the world.
>>608060>I was going to agree until I got to this. That is a good reason to feel bad.Why is it ok to feel bad about this?
I think "changing the world" is a narcissistic task to want. I think it's also a guilt trip adults impose on kids so that the elders can sit on their asses recreating "the good ol days" while the youth are slaughtered.
>Every plan starts with a discussion. The problem is most people aren't interested in changing the world, they're only interested in improving their own personal standing in the world.Well, we have had more discussion than planning or action.
We could solve alot of the worlds problems but people would rather yap on and on with some feel-good "profound" bullshit than get a shovel and dig.
In fact, we bestow awards of philanthropy upon academic speakers rather than workers.
This is the problem with leftism.
They talk about freedom for proles yet they give too much homage to pencil-pushers and lip-movers.
>>608113>Why didn't ypu get her contact info?forgot to post:
>she was wary of sharing her phone#because she seemed roughly as paranoid as I
sad frog
>>608237Thanks for proving to me that LettyPolnis just another 4cha.
Calling others reactionary for not appealing to their opinions or sympathising with their entitlement.
>>608185>>608190>search up the name>find pic relatedJadey Anh anon wtf is this??
This is legit making me suicidal.
>>608420youtube.com/watch?v=qMIu7uwcRZM
Jadey is BBC only, get over it, Chud.
>>608646Yes. But hes more active in the LGBT thread.
But there's Newgene, the obnoxious anti-idealist
>>608786For a time I was
>>608776Nope. I don't have enough dedicated to that. But I will say I'm not bothered by dry spells.
As long as I got five on it.
>>608791Wrong. It's because I counteract their autism with mine.
They annoy me with their TFW no gf and exaggerated age sensitivity and I counteract it
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