>>685267>Wrong. No striker lands every strikeYeah and not every grab attempt doesn’t result in the defender immediately dodging out of it—especially when you have morons telegraphing clinch attempts by literally pouncing on their opponent.
<Wrestling's efficiency and effectiveness come from control. No shit, you think I and no one else knows this? The problem I have with wrestling specifically is if control is what’s wanted because you can’t have that in multi fights or in fights where knockouts and lethality is needed more than submission—which is most of them—and grappling to lead into a strike is objectively slower than just striking someone head on.
<Khabib can miss a shot, but chain wrestling and control allow him to still capitalize from missed shots in a way a missed strike could never achieveYeah assuming he doesn’t get his head struck trying to like the many times that CTE farmer and other grappling specialists have had to deal with in the mma scene for years.
>Wrong, dumbass. Wrestling is seen everywhere in actual fighting, and hair control is a banned grappling technique due to its effectiveness and lack of counterplay.I think you’re confusing hair pulling, “the helicopter” (it’s just flailing and dropping guard simultaneously due to lack of training) and attempting to “catch and opponents fist” to defend oneself instead of blocking and stepping away with professional wrestling. Don’t get me wrong, I know what a trained grappler looks liked but don’t confuse the hordes of fat untrained and inexperienced tough guys flailing their arms at each other and grabbing onto whatever they find out of panic with someone with even half a clue over what to do once they end up on the ground. The average person has a better chance of breaking their own leg attempting a takedown given how few people understand what leverage and using core strength to force someone off balance means in grappling.
>Wrong. You cherry-pick a fight, which still proves your dumbass wrong. Jon Jones won that fight by outgrappling Chael, a D1 wrestler. Chael's strikes didn't do jack shit. This match demonstrates the dominance of wrestling.I really didn’t. Jones is an awful fighter in general and leans more into striking anyways. He won by cheating more so than his techniques and skills which is apparent when you watch any match with him. He only won against Chael at the end of the match due to an endurance difference between him and chael (chael was gassing himself out striking at jones while jones was busy trying not to get knocked out or falling flat) rather than anything related to actual skill
>Wrong. You don't need the perfect takedown to end someone. Attaining top control alone wins the fight. You sound both naïve and like an amateur wrestler if you believe this. This idea could be correct if you’re fighting an opponent with functionally zero core and leg strength. Otherwise, if you’re dealing with an opponent that has a sense of developed balance (which is what you’ll find in every martial art given how man art styles involve kicking and agility), you’re in for a lot of shit. No, wrestling is hard and you need to account for stuff like forcing people off both their lower and upper balance to ensure submissions and countering fall break and roll attempts. You’re failing to respect that opponents can move while you’re trying to control them.
>If the cop is less skilled in grappling, the concrete becomes my tool and his liability. “If the cop is less skilled in grappling” you hearing yourself right now tough guy?
>Cope. Show some humility and admit that any D1 wrestler will cave your fucking skull in in a real fight, nullifying every second of your pointless striking trainingAlright moron. Go show me your amerishart high school wrestling techniques you haven’t trained in years. Even better, show me it on solid concrete where I can pile drive my heel into your cranium.
>Wrong. Strikers without grappling always lose embarrassingly. TDD is not enough to beat a champion.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vP6dXhqC3Wc&pp=ygUfR2VvcmdlIHNhaW50IHBpZXJyZSB2cyBncmFwcGxlcg%3D%3D>Wrong. Only an untrained dumbass who cannot fight would type all that shit. Wrestling is useful in any context. Your untrained strikes are countered easily. A high school wrestler would actually murder youYes because a CTE blast is on par in terms of lethality as someone grabbing my leg and pressing their weight on my core :/. Also you ignored again what I just said about multifights, fighting on hard or sharp surfaces, dealing with people that can counter grabs, enclosed spaces, or (I didn’t include this) even just the reality that you cannot expect to grab someone that can push you away or knows the direct counters to wrestling techniques. Believe me, I’ve tried to find footage of wrestlers fighting against strikers and, in all cases I found, not a single grappler purely relied on grappling to win fights but on striking first to set up grappling attempts rather than the other way around—assuming grappling was even sound given their environment.
>ukemi may break a fall and save your spine from being broken, but it won't do jack shit once your stupid, untrained ass gives up top controlI’ve been over this comment about top control, also anyone trained in fall breaking techniques at that point is going to have the agility required to step or roll away from another telegraphed or even just obvious grab attempt stupid.
I don’t know how many more points you want to bring up. Grappling by itself and even in combination with striking is just not useful enough of an art to be helpful in the majority of fights. It’s too hard to learn, not easy to practice, not easy to find training for, not safe to use in most settings without risking injury to yourself or exposing yourself to someone else’s attacks, and those are just the most common issues. It’s not a bad art, but it’s not useful by itself and not practical to pick up for most people. If it helps, someone has a better chance of surviving in fights by learning dirty boxing, Muay Thai, or Muay boran where
>less energy intensive and less committal clinchwork techniquesare used to set up attacks that can reliably cause damage and allow for easier wins without opening up the grappler to injury, losing balance, or pointlessly putting themselves at a disadvantage in multifights or fights involving weapons.