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Give me proof that it did have a matriarchal structure, there was a thread on siberia that proved it some months ago but I lost it. Please give proof again that the O9A has a matriarchal structure. I remember some photos of some niner women dressed up in all black like bondage gear posing and shit and some texts detailing how it all ties to left hand path traditional satanism against christian norms. I need proof for this one debate / conversation I'm having.

the o9a doesnt have a "structure"
it has online cells that act independently

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>>721633
It has a doctrine and a sort of guide and initialization process and texts around the creation of nexions, they included a lot of material around left-hand path satanism which placed women at some kind of special role, one of their things was doing rituals with weird pictures of a woman with a beheaded man's head (picrel) as a supposed illustration of what baphomet looks like and they used more pictures of this female baphomet and had a lot of writings about it on the last thread.

Yes it doesn't have a structure because its become a label but it has a guide to a structure in the texts describing the creations of nexions and whatnot - the initialization process into left hand path satanism and it was in the texts that detailed it was matriarchical. I remember it from the last thread.

>>721634
To put it in another way - I am sure matriarchy was part of their mythology as it was in the tradition of left hand path satanism.

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>>721634
>>721635
you are being too protestant about all this. the o9a is an aesthetic, not a doctrine. the "matriarchal" aspects involve baphomet but also the role of rounwytha, which is above the drecc and niner, since like in pagan times, "female intuition" granted women with revered powers, like how before codefied religion, you had things like the oracle of delphi, which while actively being apollo was always an avatar of females. priestesses also reigned back then. plato in politeia also speaks upon the "fates" (the norse norns or celtic morrigan) and their binding of time by the chain of necessity (zodiac). these mistresses are present in healing king arthur at the end of sir thomas malroy's narrative, for example. someone like robert graves would associate this with an ancient matriarchal religion of the triple-goddess or "white goddess", overturned by aryanism (this narrative is also present in camille paglia's "sexual personae"). a mythic example would be marduk slaying tiamat in the enuma elish. the divine feminine is lost over time.

for o9a texts, you can read what christos beest writes in "codex saerus":
<in traditional Satanism there is an appreciation of the role of women, for Satanism at its highest level is concerned with the development of the individual: roles as such are a necessary part of self-development. To be played, discarded and then transcended. The structure of traditional Temples and the rituals performed by those members of those Temples reflect this appreciation and understanding. For example, it is possible and indeed desirable for a Mistress of Earth to establish and: organise her own Tem-ple unless she herself wishes otherwise, just as it is possible and desirable to celebrate the Black Mass using a priest, naked, upon the altar while the Priestess conducts the service, such reversal being an accepted principle of Black Magick.
the "black mass" is also initiated by the priestess.

on baphomet, you can read "grimoire of baphomet":
<She is the dark, violent, Goddess - the real Mistress of Earth - to whom human sacrifices were, and are, made. She - as one of The Dark Entities, as Vamperess of The Dark Gods (The Dark Immortals) - is also a shapeshifter who can presence in the causal dimensions and assume human form, and thus live among us here on Earth, and it was, traditionally, to Baphomet that Initiates and Adepts of our Dark Tradition dedicated their chosen, selected, victims when a human culling was undertaken and when wars and conflict were brought forth or seeded through sinister sorcery.
so the o9a as traditional satanism can be seen as a form of goddess worship in the gravean pre-aryan style, or what is otherwise called pre-"magian"(persian/aryan). david myatt would designate the 7fw as "hermetic" however.

you can also read this in "hostia":
<This ‘cult of Baphomet’ derives from Albion (see below). The significance of the 17 year cycle is unclear – if there was an oral tradition, it has been lost. In the past few decades, some theories to explain this 17 year cycle have been advanced, but they are unconvincing. The identification of Baphomet as the Bride of Lucifer/Satan probably dates from around the 10th or 11th century ev, as does the use of the name ‘Satan’/Satanas as the Earth-bound representative of the Dark Gods.
baphomet in the context of this ritual is the priestess.

on the rounwytha, you can read "the rounwytha way":
<What has been termed The Way of the Rounwytha is locally referred to as the Camlad Rouning, or simply and most often as The Rouning, with those of this way known as Rounwytha. It is an aural pagan tradition found in a few rural areas of South Shropshire and Herefordshire together with a few enclaves in the marches areas of Sir Faesyfed and Sir Drefaldwyn.

so these are some "matriarchal" aspects of the o9a.

>>721632
use the archive
and more importantly, if you want to be real about it, it is because it isn't a real organization but a discord server of horny guys doing what one or two goth egirls tell them to do

their leader is a latinx transgender woman, does that count?

Have I already seen this thread?

>>721668
No thats b00t who fucked the AWD leaders and blackmailed them

>>721690

well yeah, she turned them into transhumanists, they were already mixed latinx, you know how it goes.

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Why is leftypol so infatuated by this idiotic slop organization? I can't imagine anyone older than 18 being wowed by these retards.

>>721668
She looks like a villain in a gacha game that'd become a playable operator later on.

>>721709
left wing podcasts have been talking about it this month, they all collectively decided to turn off their brains
>oh these groups are so dark and obscure and dangerous
and it's literally just a discord server. I don't know if they are desperate for content or if they truly believe it, but in any case, it is stupid and disrespectful towards their audience. and their age is showing

>patriarchy is le bad so lets larp as a matriarchy or w/e
who gaf about these morons?

>>721709
terminally online retards arent exactly bright or grounded with reality

>>721668
mio dio…

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>>721632
'gaiz i wanna know who owns the O9A, is the structure of the O9A a matriarchy???'

the following advice is for you:

tie a chain around your nearest lamp post, smash the rear windshield out of your kia soul and then tie the other end of that chain to your neck. proceed to step on the gas, and fast.

the O9A doesn't have 'structure', doesn't have 'leadership' and most certainly is not 'matriarchal'.

the ideas presented in the amalgam of philosophy which comprises the 7fw are beyond your abstracted ideas of conforming to feminine or masculine gender

also, asking about O9A then proceeding to use a photo of some ToB psyop is retarded. ToB was created to confuse people and used O9A symbology to point the blame at the O9A when in truth the ToB was a creation of the taxpayer (US Govt/Sutter le epic troll)

>>721799

>they're failed anarchists and edgy queers


thanks captain obvious

>>721799
Is o9a.org a good site for clearing this sorta up or is it like anonymous (hacker "group") where there's no viable central documentation.

>>721804
that site was made/maintained by WSA, which as far as I'm aware uploaded good material and resources to that site. Chloe, the former defacto leader of WSA, was one of the first to make many of the publicly available documents available today and is a reputable figure.

anything branded 'Martinet Press', 'Temple Ov Blood', 'MKY' or any other BS is not representative of the real values of the sevenfold way at all and are all either FBI psyops or virtue signals for nihilistic pedophiles to sate their autistic fixation on spooky 'magic' schizophrenia.

there is central documentation of sorts, you have the original 'subrosa' documents which were type-written by anton long from the late '70s-'80s. these were just foundational documents to establish the point of the order and some universal understandings held by practicioners.

my best advice is to never ask someone who claims to be a 'member' or 'niner' about this shit because 9 times out of 10 they are some mentally ill retard nihilist who fell for one of the many O9A themed psyops and realized they don't give a fuck about philosophy outside of posting CP on telegram and making rape jokes.

if you want to sate your curiousity, go read the source material and find out for yourself. the negative reputation serves it's own purpose to drive away the uninvested/unworthy and things are better off that way

It's just a bunch of glowies just like every other "cult" or "nazi" movement

>>721799
>i follow le 7fw not that magian qabalistic crap
<here is the tree of wyrd, no relation to the tree of life
also, ToB just follows in o9a footsteps by having the qlippoth through da'ath be the magical working, like how the exoteric 9th angle is saturn (how original…)
would be more honest if these types just called themselves sabbatean, antinomian jews rather than pussyfoot around with "traditional satanism". alcheny itself was literally pioneered by a jewish woman (Maria Hebraea) in the 1st century; the same creed that the 9 angles come from, by the hermetica.
>>721806
>anything branded 'Martinet Press', 'Temple Ov Blood', 'MKY' or any other BS is not representative of the real values of the sevenfold way at all and are all either FBI psyops or virtue signals for nihilistic pedophiles to sate their autistic fixation on spooky 'magic' schizophrenia.
ToB saved o9a from irrelevance.
>you have the original 'subrosa' documents which were type-written by anton long from the late '70s-'80s
the foundational document of the o9a is the Al-Kitab Al-Alfak (The Book of The Spheres), which "anton long" supposedly read in 1971. the first written text we can verify is david myatt's "emanations of eurania" (1974) in which he develops "the star game" along with his theory of the acausal. we then have "black book of satan" (1984), naos (1989), etc.
the labyrinthos mythologicus obviously develops from there, with weird gatekeepers like you standing in the way of orgs like ToB, which attempt to facilitate a new myth for the old mythos.

>>721801
What’s that supposed to mean?

IDK why people are far more obsessed with marginal fascist pedo-cults than big fascist pedo-cults like the Evangelicals, Catholics and Mormons.

>>721939
>ToB saved o9a from irrelevance.

>the labyrinthos mythologicus obviously develops from there, with weird gatekeepers like you standing in the way of orgs like ToB, which attempt to facilitate a new myth for the old mythos.


This says everything I needed to know about you and nothing further. No amount of supposed knowledge or ability to draw parallels will vindicate you or any other 'Sutterite'.

For anyone who has read Liber333 or any other 'Noctulian' MSS it's immediately clear that the 'mythos' referenced here are shallow manifestations of crowley's demons sometimes directly referenced by name. Trying to point at the origin of alchemy or Kitab-Al Alfak in an attempt to try and delegitimize a system which is openly an amalgam of other philosophies is illogical.

You become deluded in egoism and rape yourself with nihilistic rhetoric, then slap 'O9A' on it while completely disregarding the initial purposes of the 7FW to begin with.

>>721958
It’s only niche site patrons that are obsessed with niche fascist cults

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>>721941

it means they were edgy anarkiddies manlets who got caught in gamergate era and got groomed into nazism because they're repressed faggots who just want to say the n-word in CoD

you're not special wigga

>>722046
Idk man that seems to describe you.
I’ve read some of the posts you’ve written.

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>>722047

so you admit that it takes one to know another?

here's the difference between you and me, i grew up mean, i didn't become mean because they ruined a videogame i couldn't afford anyway.

i've had knives at my throat since i was a kid and my family history would make every grown man in yours cry like the little middle class bitches they are.

>>722056
I think you’re mistaking me for a Gamergate patron or something.
Again if anything, that sounds like more you than me.
And I have read some of the posts you made.

>>722056
> i've had knives at my throat since i was a kid and my family history would make every grown man in yours cry like the little middle class bitches they are

It’s the cliche “I grew up with some violence therefore I’m a certified badass that doesn’t need to show any sense of coherence to anyone”

>>722059
>>722058

"i need to samefag because i can't stand on my own"

>>722063
Says the one talking about making a glorious leftist revolution despite browsing imageboards for most of one’s prime time and chanting “death to the west”despite participating in the same inclinations as them if not similar.

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>>722066

you're the one that thinks it's "gathering info" in a dead website wigga, i could actually behead your entire family if i had to, you can't even lift a backpack up off your mom's basement.


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