/siberia/ - Off-topic

if we actually had democracy none of this would be happening

Everything is a mistake. We just try to work around it.

Democracy is not real, you vote for a faction of the bourgeoisie so the end result is always that the porky class is dominating all the other ones. Liberal democracy is just dictatorship of the Epsteins and the act of voting just serves the function of creating the illusion of choice.

Socialism is not democratic either since the proletariat becomes the dominant class and it subjugates and even eliminates all the others, so what? "muh democracy is le good because it just is okay?!?!?!" is just liberal morality and optics politics. And its not even a real thing that exists.

>>786027
no. even in its most bleak versions democracy is still a remarkable social technology for one simple reason:
it encourages the peaceful transfer of power between elites. if you and your fellow elites lose the election to a different faction, you know the best thing to do is lay the groundwork to re-take it in 5 years at the next election.

this sounds trivial but really isn't. every other actually-existing form of national governance is open to succession crises: king, dictator, strongman chosen by the military or oligarchy, all of them cause big problems when they die. you either win or you lose when succession time comes, and if you lose, you've not got much more to lose by starting a civil war or by bringing the whole order crashing down. (one of the reasons dictatorships eventually fall: if your prefered guy doesn't take charge, why not defect to the pro-democracy faction and have those rubes elect you instead?)

the value of peace cannot be overstated. even if non-democratic forms of government were more efficient at administration, 1 civil war every 100 years could easily wipe out all of the gains from that advantage and leave democracy ahead.