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 No.10985

So, if one of the weaknesses of our surveillance state is that there have to be people to sift through information, is it possible to flood info to the point where the effectiveness of the eye in the sky is diminished?

 No.10986

Yes, and the more people make jokes about killing your landlord or whatever the harder it is for the AI filters to recognize things that the feds should actually pay attention to.

 No.10987

>>10985
/tech/

 No.10988


 No.10989

>>10988
>getting like this after being asked nicely to put your shit thread in correct board.
You have to go back.

 No.10990

>>10989
Wannabe jannies like you need to fuck off to literally anywhere else with your fixation on tanking entire topics sitewide so your little hobby board can get two extra posts a day.

 No.10991

>>10990
Deadass, backseat janitors need to get a hobby or fucking kill themselves
Jannoids do it for free and for illusory power
Backseat janitors don’t even get to ban people they disagree with

 No.10992

>woo woo waa waaaa, being asked to use the correct board is tanking my shit topic and trying to get me banned! Waaa!
Go outside bro. Dont worry, you can still phone post on occasion.

 No.10993

>>10990
OP will get faster responses here, better responses there lad
If determined to keep it on this board asking in the /cybersoc/ general will get good responses over time too as the nerds check in and check the thread

 No.10994

>>10993
>OP will get faster responses here, better responses there lad
If only there was a way we could know which one he wanted

 No.10995

I didn't even think about /tech/, it might be a good idea to move it
I was thinking about this in response to people making bots to flood the Texas abortion snitch website, and while the actual tech part is totally beyond me, would it really be that hard to set up a bunch of fbi.govs where it looks like we're constantly about to do illegal shit but upon glowies joining they constantly turn out to be full of shit

 No.10996

>>10985
Well that's a great idea but surely a payment is that the people will get exposed to anti-state propaganda.

 No.10997

>>10996
Oh I don't even mean in the sense that they're meant for actual consumption. Just totally filled with our own spooks, for the sole purpose of getting caught in the net and having glowies think the 3rd Antifa ground division is hours away from invading Dave and Busters. Profiles and profiles of fake people giving fake details.

 No.10998

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>>10985
You can generate garbage incredibly fast but that garbage can be filtered just as quickly. You'd need to generate credible noise, at which point you are competing in processing power with an adversary you cannot possibly defeat.


And it would need to be a mass movement or you are just highlighting yourself. At which point, if you were able to command that much popular support, there are better uses for it. Like overthrowing the US government or taking it over.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boundless_Informant
https://www.theguardian.com/world/interactive/2013/jun/08/boundless-informant-nsa-full-text

 No.10999

>>10997
Before I begin I would like to make it clear that this only applies to foreign states and not to Australia don't even bother trying it in Australia It's not going to work, or if it does we'll only use it to pick up foreign state actors not ours

In fact our security services are so competent and based they managed to push through security laws better than China's the world's prior gold standard in security in the service of stability and safety for its citizens in 24 hours
Do not try this in Australia it won't work and you will get caught

Now that we've got that out of the way I'd like to draw your attention to failure modes inherent in less competent jurisdictions such as storeshittistahn

Specifically it is common in such jurisdictions for paid informants to act as agent provocators such as in many Islamic terrorism arrests and other similar events like the recent storming of the seppo's capitol

Given the various redundant security agencies all competing for funding in what is known in technical terminology as an incompetent clusterfuck hypothetically speaking a major failure mode for retardland's security would be roping the professional agent provocateurs from various agencies together where they will keep escalating to attempt to catch them some terrorists from suckers they've drawn in to justify their existence but those suckers are also agents doing the same thing

This is a thought experiment pointing out a failure mode as a warning to our greatest allies America who have so generously helped us in our trade war with China by taking up the slack and selling their goods for China to buy instead of ours and should not be taken in anyway as advocating such a course of action

 No.11000

>>10998
Filtering noise is still a lot harder than making noise, because you have to think one step further, the side making the noise might not actually intent to simply cause a flood, they might intend for the noise filtering system to purge a certain pattern to create a blind spot in the system. You can't just do game theory and massive capacity overkill against high level qualitative attacks.

>>10999
>shorting out the agent provocateurs circuit
aren't these agents told who the other agents are ?

 No.11001

>>11000
>aren't these agents told who the other agents are ?
In burgerstan? Lol.. multiple agencies and departments competing for funding. Not a chance.

 No.11002

>>10998
>You can generate garbage incredibly fast but that garbage can be filtered just as quickly.
It's much worse than that.
A binary search can find a match in 10 billion in just 33 chops. Obviously not all data is an indexed database, but the point is that pre-information revolution linear intuition is no longer useful. We can now find a needle in a haystack, because the hay can be processed using a probabilistic binary chop algorithm which converges super-linearly.

>You'd need to generate credible noise

It's much worse than that.
You need to generate statistically robust noise, otherwise it can trivially be filtered out.
Consider the "German tank problem". Can your bullshit data defeat Bayesian inference? Probably not.

 No.11003

>>11002
Binary search only works on sorted data and it is for searching, not filtering.

 No.11004

>>11003
Elaborate?

 No.11005

>>10999
>>475658
They aren't doing very well defending against anti-lockdown protesters, some of whom actually said on the news I think that they wanted to use covid as a biological weapon in hoping they can spread it.

Is Australia's government actually willing to do what needs to be done to stop those people and save themselves or will they let it keep growing and get overrun eventually? They seem to be failing hard.

They still haven't got them all.

 No.11006

>>11004
What is there to elaborate? Binary search is a searching algorithm. It tells you if a certain element is in a collection or not. Filtering gives you all the elements that match a given criteria. They are different problems.

Binary search is effective because when it inspects an element, it can reduce the search space by assuming that all elements smaller than the current element are before it in the collection, and all elements greater than the current element are after it in the collection. This is only true if the collection is sorted according to the key you are searching for.

 No.11011

>>11006
Just appending new data to a flat file would be stupid, if you're searching for keywords it would be trivial to maintain an index as the data gets collated

 No.11012

>>11000
>aren't these agents told who the other agents are ?

after reading a few books on infiltrators and snitches, basically no. Also you have to look out for paid corporate informants/provocatours. Which is ridiculous but hey, gives more opportunity to try out anon's idea. Though i'll say that you'd probably get yourself way more surveilled by doing that than by just not fucking with cops in the least when you can help it.

 No.11013

>>10985
i think this is basically the dialectical way to deal with it. But like others say, your noise has to actually be able to be confused with genuine data, and this is always going to be a cat and mouse game. But yeah the right mindset is how to waste government resources on stupid bullshit so they either waste their time (and are potentially demoralized also) or so they become desensitized or stop giving a shit about certain patterns.
I recommend you go break into your neighbors house and call 911 for a rape dungeon in their basement ;)

 No.12499

Maybe
https://www.itu.int/itu-d/reports/statistics/2021/11/15/internet-use/
Quantity does after all have a quality of its own

 No.12501

>make bots that spam bomb threats and shit constantly all over the internet
>no longer possible to know what's real or fake due to sheer volume
surprised this isn't already happening given how big of a problem spam phone calls have been for a while.

 No.12502

>>11013
>i think this is basically the dialectical way to deal with it
>dialectical way
Please stop.

 No.12503

>>12501
>make bots that spam bomb threats and shit constantly all over the internet
>no longer possible to know what's real or fake due to sheer volume
there is no good way to get accurate feedback information, and that makes it too hard to configure or optimize the bots.

>surprised this isn't already happening given how big of a problem spam phone calls have been for a while.

because the system can learn and adapt. Exploits are not just used as soon as somebody figures it out, they are hoarded, to be used with strategic timing.
Higher level strategic considerations include combining exploits in a way that makes it harder to detect or harder to adapt too.

 No.12562

People are doing that, it's called swatting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatting
>>11013
>they either waste their time (and are potentially demoralized also) or so they become desensitized or stop giving a shit about certain patterns.
or 3. make the state target and harass our enemies. Get all the fash swatted every day.


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