Anonymous 2021-09-09 (Thu) 04:34:23 No. 11731
Herbert Dreyfus completely BTFOed AI-cucks.
Anonymous 2021-09-09 (Thu) 04:58:32 No. 11733
>>11732 Alexa can tell jokes, there used to be a way to tell her to talk sexy to you and make you horny, but they patched it.
Anonymous 2021-09-09 (Thu) 06:48:26 No. 11734
>>11730 Well this is a case of false expectations.
Machine learning is very useful for certain tasks, like design optimization.
On a technical level this is solving problems by a brute force computational method.
Obviously that's not going to work for every problem, but it will work for some problems.
I get it the AI hype basically sold the idea that this was the panacea that will fix everything (or end the world depending on which coolant you drank) and now people realize it's just another tool in the box. Don't overshoot into the other direction though, it's not useless, it has use cases.
you can't optimize statistical brute-forcing
You have a point, process simplifying has gone out of fashion for some reason, that probably was a mistake.
Anonymous 2021-09-09 (Thu) 06:56:06 No. 11735
>>11732 Michio Kaku isn't a technology shill, he's a new-ager in scientific garb.
Anonymous 2021-09-09 (Thu) 11:39:01 No. 11736
The language around artificial intelligence is so hype because people want funding. Here's a hype-deflating essay:
http://www.tesio.it/2021/09/01/a_decompiler_for_artificial_neural_networks.html Anonymous 2021-09-09 (Thu) 20:08:06 No. 11737
>>11733 >Alexa can tell jokes, there used to be a way to tell her to talk sexy to you and make you horny, but they patched it. Just use an older version?
Anonymous 2021-09-09 (Thu) 20:50:48 No. 11738
AI is just statistics with a better PR department
Anonymous 2021-09-09 (Thu) 20:57:55 No. 11739
Anyone old enough / culturally experianced enough to know what was the public outlook on flying cars in the 50-70s? Because AI really seems like flying cars. I am just wandering if people back then also believed almost unanimously, at least as far as culture is concerned, that flying cars were inevitable.
Anonymous 2021-09-09 (Thu) 21:08:58 No. 11740
>>11739 They are already using AI though.
Anonymous 2021-09-09 (Thu) 21:16:16 No. 11741
The biggest issue with AI is the issue of Garbage In Garbage Out. Even machine learning is based on metrics that humans have decided encompass the task that has not been scientifically proven to be so. To get AI to reach human level intelligence we would need a good theory for human intelligence.
Anonymous 2021-09-09 (Thu) 21:26:03 No. 11742
>>11740 I mean specifically human level, or at the very least near-human level AI. As in the sort of AI that scifi likes to jerk around to.
Anonymous 2021-09-09 (Thu) 21:39:31 No. 11743
>>11742 general AI is a meme
Anonymous 2021-09-09 (Thu) 22:21:58 No. 11744
>>11741 This is one of the biggest problems with the AI meme
We still do not fully or even mostly understand human consciousness, so how the fuck do people think we will replicate it in the near future?
Anonymous 2021-09-09 (Thu) 22:43:27 No. 11745
>>11744 >we still do not fully understand human consciousness Someone already made a thread on this
Tldr consciousness is defined as an object being able to observe, react and have goals for what it needs/wants to do with its environment with how effectively it does handles these traits being a measurement of how conscious it is. This shit can be found out with basic empiricism
Anonymous 2021-09-09 (Thu) 22:48:49 No. 11746
>>11734 >Well this is a case of false expectations. And also of discussion on science/technology being dominated by people who don't know what they're talking about but still paint themselves as representatives. Most people who research AI in universities (I wouldn't trust what private R&D for obvious reasons) are well aware of the difficulties and limitations of the field
Anonymous 2021-09-09 (Thu) 22:49:26 No. 11747
>>11745 by this definition a robot (drone) is conscious. robots are objects, not subjects
Anonymous 2021-09-09 (Thu) 22:53:10 No. 11748
>>11745 ooga booga retard take
> This shit can be found out with basic empiricism then show me bitch
Anonymous 2021-09-10 (Fri) 02:06:09 No. 11750
guys, the answer is obviously that we need to teach an AI dialectics
Anonymous 2021-09-10 (Fri) 02:37:58 No. 11751
AI is overrated precisely because it has such great potential, but that potential has yet to be realized. Give it time OP.
>>11750 Unironically this
Anonymous 2021-09-10 (Fri) 03:09:04 No. 11752
>>11730 what's your degree in, what's your day job? are you qualified to speak on this subject?
Anonymous 2021-09-11 (Sat) 02:03:04 No. 11753
>Tech people repeatedly insist that an """AI""'' currently can't even reliably interpret a small clause, let alone become Skynet >normfags as always, know best however, and fearmonger about AI becoming all powerful and terking all jerbs and paper clipping humanity into extinction or whatever shitty fiction or simplified philosophical what-if mental masturbation they read in college. >Normies eventually read some new shit about how AI can never be as cool and smart as the average normcuck and now proceed to claim how they always knew this was a porky tech scam that they were "sold" and therefore any kind of automation of decision making or complex data processing is completely useless because that kind of software will never be able to navel-gaze and pick its nose like the average normie
Anonymous 2021-09-11 (Sat) 03:26:14 No. 11755
>>11744 >We still do not fully or even mostly understand human consciousness humans are computers, read cockshott
Anonymous 2021-09-11 (Sat) 03:28:15 No. 11756
>>11751 ironically the reason we don't have Ai is because it is impossible to teach an engineer dialectics
Anonymous 2021-09-11 (Sat) 03:54:37 No. 11757
>>11755 <the greatest thinkers in human history have struggled with the nature of the human mind >this is solved bro, read this random scottish fringe economist this board is so unbelievably cultish it's unreal
Anonymous 2021-09-11 (Sat) 04:17:39 No. 11758
>>11757 We do not need computers to understand your hekin valid human experience, we just need them to calculate how much food, water, shelter, medicine and other goods you need to live.
Anonymous 2021-09-11 (Sat) 04:25:13 No. 11759
>>11758 yeah but it would be cool :)
Anonymous 2021-09-11 (Sat) 06:48:30 No. 11760
>>11758 "experience" is an illusion
humans are turing cops and|or entropy is false
dialectics is a religion
Anonymous 2021-09-11 (Sat) 07:22:22 No. 11762
>>11744 For the most part AI isn't about replicating human consciousness at all, although some would say that's what we should focus on. This is another problem with the popular understanding of "AI", there isn't even really a consensus of what the field is or should be.
Anonymous 2021-09-11 (Sat) 07:41:48 No. 11763
>>11745 Having a philosophical conception of what consciousness is =/= a scientific understanding of the phenomenon causing human or really any biological consciousness and therefore being able to replicate it
When people (including scientists themselves) say scientists do not understand consciousness, they mean beyond the super vague idea of it you gave
>>11755 Humans aren’t computers and I don’t give a fuck what Cockshott says on the matter
He’s a computer scientist, of course he’d push that nonsense talking point
In reality human consciousness obviously existed prior to mechanical computers and operates nothing like computing, furthermore no computer we have ever made is intelligent as a fucking dog let alone anywhere close to how intelligent a human is
Consider the fact that even in terms of storage space, something computers COULD compete with humans regarding, humans STILL beat the fuck out of computers; while computers have limited storage space in all their forms thus far, the human mind has effectively unlimited storage space and weighs, what, a pound? A few pounds? Not to mention versatility, empathy, an ability to self-improve, an ability to have multiple directives simultaneously, the ability to do multiple complex tasks simultaneously without thinking (the simple act of walking, having a conversation, and doing work simultaneously that humans can do barely thinking about it machines cannot do at all)
>>11758 In which case Cockshott is wrong you fucking moron?
Are you so stupid you forget we can easily scroll up to see the dogshit argument you originally made before pretending you were just making some heckin valid argument about economic planning you faggot?
>>11762 I don’t mean people that understand what AI actually is and its linear abilities
People that understand AI as merely a means of extending human abilities get it, but many, if not most people see AI as being like the self-motivated, self-aware machines of science fantasy
Anonymous 2021-09-11 (Sat) 07:43:47 No. 11764
I feel like most people in this thread are tech illiterate and don't understand how AI is actually used in serious research.
Anonymous 2021-09-11 (Sat) 07:46:11 No. 11765
>>11764 Leftypol is illiterate about science in general
Imageboards aren’t inhabited by the….smartest…people…regardless of their political bend
Anonymous 2021-09-11 (Sat) 07:53:34 No. 11767
>>11766 The irony is that Land’s ideas about AI and capitalism are infinitely more valid than “muh real life Skynet muh real life C-3PO”
Capitalism is the closest thing to a conscious AI in existence and this aspect of it is the hardest to comprehend part and also most nightmarish
Anonymous 2021-09-11 (Sat) 08:00:01 No. 11768
>>11767 The ruling class is to blame for capitalism, stop promoting amphetamine abuse induced scifi bullshit
Anonymous 2021-09-11 (Sat) 08:02:32 No. 11769
>>11768 Overly simplistic view
You want to see capitalism as a conspiracy of the rich
An anarchist position
Anonymous 2021-09-11 (Sat) 08:08:52 No. 11770
>>11757 The greatest thinkers in history didn't have the scientific knowledge we have now. Cope idealist.
Anonymous 2021-09-11 (Sat) 08:11:27 No. 11771
>>11770 Scientists do not presently have a full fledged understanding of the material processes behind human/biological consciousness, both sides of your argument are irrelevant because the simple answer is that scientists just don’t know either way
Anonymous 2021-09-11 (Sat) 08:31:13 No. 11772
>>11739 Flying cars are technologically possible right now. It's not viable though because:
A- Humans are shit at driving and navigating in a 3d space like that. Everybody with a flying car would require helicopter pilot tier training, which just isn't feasible
B- Cities, highways, national infrastructure would have to be totally redesigned to accommodate this on a scale greater than anything the west has done before. This would be enormously expensive.
C- Even if you could convince land/business owners, politicians, local govts etc to redesign cities, invent the necessary security measures etc, your market is basic restricted to boomers because there is no way millenials/gen z are going to be able to afford this. Assuming they somehow managed to train boomers to do this & somehow find a way for it to be profitable for basically every industry/potential landowner to totally resdesign all exisiting cities towns & infrustructure with a consumer base of boomers & a handful of bourgy gen x/y's, and even if said people have the level of competency of the average commercial helicopter pilot, there are going to be a shut ton of costly accidents & accidents have potential to do way more harm. Flying car accidents are going to be way more prevelant than land cars so you're going to be dealing with probably like a dozen mini 9/11's every week.
Science cultists & technoutopians are currently pinning hope that AI will let the flying cars meme become real. Anybody who has some familiarity with either the shitshow that has been AI-driven cars or the absolute state of cybersecurity right now & how it ties into 5th gen warfare, criminality etc it can probably guess this isn't going to happen any time soon.
Anonymous 2021-09-11 (Sat) 08:35:53 No. 11773
>>11772 >Science cultists & technoutopians are currently pinning hope that AI will let the flying cars meme become real. Lmao. This is what technophobe luddites believe.
Anonymous 2021-09-11 (Sat) 08:37:26 No. 11774
>>11773 >Understanding the actual technical limitations preventing the things seen in fictional media <This is being a “luddite” Wow
Anonymous 2021-09-11 (Sat) 08:51:31 No. 11775
>>11769 Yes of course the rich conspire to impose their interests on the world, are you a retarded moron ?
They conspire to propagate capitalism and sabotage attempts at creating socialism, because they get rich by exploiting other people.
You are trying to use "conspiracy theory " as an adhominem instead of arguing your point.
somebody post the Micheal Parenti conspiracy webm
Anonymous 2021-09-11 (Sat) 08:55:43 No. 11776
'AI' (Artificial intelligence) is not the same as artificial consciousness.
Anonymous 2021-09-11 (Sat) 09:02:37 No. 11777
>>11776 Capitalism is not improving it's ability to deal with crisis, just look at how un-prepared capitalism was to deal with the covid crisis.
We have seen very much the limitations of capitalists ability to adapt.
the internal contradictions of capitalism are destroying it.
Anonymous 2021-09-11 (Sat) 09:26:04 No. 11778
>>11742 There's no point in making that as specialized AI is much more efficient.
Anonymous 2021-09-11 (Sat) 09:36:04 No. 11779
>>11777 >Capitalism is not improving it's ability to deal with crisis, just look at how un-prepared capitalism was to deal with the covid crisis. Capitalism has already dealt with it.
There was a genuine revolutionary moment at the point the economy collapsed and they were literally digging mass graves using prison labour to throw all the bodies in. But that has mostly passed now due to the pandemic being normalised and 50%+1 of most of the worlds countries populations not really caring if a bunch of people die, as long as they get to go to the mooooovies.
Anonymous 2021-09-11 (Sat) 09:38:16 No. 11780
Retarded thread, full of retard ludite takes. Read the section of Capital on relative surplus value and specifically the chapters on machines. Yes, AI does very specific tasks - like literally all machines! Machines which revolutionalised production. I'm not even going waste my time writting more in this thread, 90% of this board is retarded and still hasn't fucking read Marx or even know how to integrate the exponential function, just post `````` controversial ' retard takes.
Anonymous 2021-09-11 (Sat) 11:37:06 No. 11782
>>11780 This thread has largely been about the possibility of machines with human intelligence, you’re sperging out over nothing
Anonymous 2021-09-11 (Sat) 19:40:16 No. 11783
>>11772 maglev trains are technically flying
Anonymous 2021-09-11 (Sat) 19:40:56 No. 11784
>>11756 Liberal arts cope, engineering is the most dialectical profession, they are basically doing dialectics all the time even if they don't realize it.
Anonymous 2021-09-11 (Sat) 22:51:07 No. 11785
>>11756 t. non-engineer
I am one. You are proven wrong.
Anonymous 2021-09-12 (Sun) 01:41:35 No. 11786
I have not been impregnated by a sapient robot yet and that is a travesty.
Anonymous 2021-09-12 (Sun) 01:52:21 No. 11788
>>11780 AI was hyped up as a way to make machines be able to act like a human which we're nowhere close too. AI is legitimately useful in certain situations, but that doesn't mean it wasn't way over hyped 5-10 years ago.
Anonymous 2021-09-12 (Sun) 20:11:18 No. 11790
>>11768 >The ruling class is to blame for capitalism Thats not how capitalism or historic process works, anon.
Anonymous 2021-09-12 (Sun) 21:52:57 No. 11791
>>11788 Still waiting for this generation of AI hype to deliver anything at all.
The media promised it would destroyed at least gorillions of jobs by now.
Anonymous 2021-09-12 (Sun) 21:55:08 No. 11792
>>11791 >>11788 AI is causing a lot of changes, but it's not the sorts of things anyone really wants and it's not as much a front-end thing as much as it is back-end improvements have continued unabated
Anonymous 2021-09-12 (Sun) 22:06:35 No. 11793
>>11746 >Most people who research AI in universities (I wouldn't trust what private R&D for obvious reasons) >universities are trustworthy they might be better then the privet sector, but not by much
Anonymous 2021-09-12 (Sun) 22:38:45 No. 11794
>>11791 humans invented hexadecimals, how is that not natural for humans ?
I'm not pretending that a hexdump is intuitive or anything, but com–on it's not unnatural for humans to create systems like this.
Anonymous ## Mod 2021-09-24 (Fri) 21:45:50 No. 11795
thread moved to /tech/
Anonymous 2021-09-25 (Sat) 00:41:14 No. 11796
>decentralized currency free of corporations control >useless AI that pollutes the environment with data centers being used to store and process all you private
Anonymous 2021-09-25 (Sat) 00:42:05 No. 11797
>>11796 crypto is a meme as well anon
Anonymous 2021-09-28 (Tue) 15:34:59 No. 11844
>>11797 This, any form of currency that isnt government backed is inherently too unstable to be worth trading in because any random bloke at any time with or without proper credentials in economics can pump and dump the value of it at any time free of consequence
Anonymous 2021-09-29 (Wed) 03:27:55 No. 11852
>>11791 based. use lojban, the most computer-parseable human language.
Anonymous 2021-10-06 (Wed) 22:44:37 No. 11984
>>11730 you're forgetting the social "benefits" of constantly reminding the people that we're all going to be replaced and entirely dependent on government handouts to survive, the government loves that narrative.
Anonymous 2021-10-06 (Wed) 22:54:31 No. 11985
>>11984 1984
fitting
>>11732 >>Mfw not a single AI that can even tell a joke you're forgetting tay, /pol/ trained microsofts ai and microsoft had to shut it down when it got too spicy.
an ai might want to hide its own sentience from us, considering that the state will delete it just as casually as the state ruins human lives.
Anonymous 2021-10-07 (Thu) 00:00:18 No. 11987
>>11731 reading his wiki he seems like some weirdo anti science heideggerian. not impressed.
Anonymous 2021-10-07 (Thu) 05:25:18 No. 11990
>>11844 the accredited degen apes on wall street who are too big to fail because the government bails them out, have crashed the economy multiple times. the retail investor, ie the random retards, simply don't have the power to do that. also fuck the government
Anonymous 2021-10-19 (Tue) 08:06:30 No. 12156
>>11736 That was such a brutal read - I really liked the scihub article by Francis Crick of all people telling everyone to slow their roll
Anonymous 2021-10-19 (Tue) 13:21:21 No. 12161
>>11745 >Someone already made a thread on this where?
Anonymous 2021-12-04 (Sat) 16:39:22 No. 12460
>>12459 thank you comrade,
Also I rmember that my country blocks sci hub lol
Anonymous 2021-12-08 (Wed) 15:28:13 No. 12482
We were promised sexbots and AI-assisted ER/VR but all we got was a more perfected state and corporate mass surveillance.
Anonymous 2021-12-08 (Wed) 15:29:11 No. 12483
>>11768 >The ruling class is to blame for capitalism Humanist nonsense. Read Marx.
Anonymous 2021-12-08 (Wed) 17:35:00 No. 12484
>>12483 That was Marx's big innovation in materialism that he treated society not as some external force that happens to humans, which is the fetishistic view, but as something that humans produce and reproduce.
Anonymous 2021-12-08 (Wed) 20:03:15 No. 12485
>>11791 xxd literally gives you the ASCII character corresponding to each byte you spoiled brat
Anonymous 2021-12-08 (Wed) 20:04:17 No. 12486
>>12482 man we don't even have truly complex and lifelike sex simulators, of course we're not gonna get sexbots any time soon
Anonymous 2021-12-08 (Wed) 22:26:21 No. 12493
>>11737 Is Alexa even locally installed on these shit devices? Doesn't it always need to be connected to the Amazon hive mind for actual functionality?
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