/tech/ - Technology

All of that is true, but there are other things to care about as well. For non-technical persons that won't root their phones and install custom ROMs, iPhones are still better than Google's Android spyware. And balkanization of surveillance is always good.

>>12051
>All of their phones are overpriced fucking garbage and always have been
counterpoint: iPhone SE

less than $400 outside of the US (and just $300 in the US) for a decent phone that will receive iOS updates for 5-6 years compared to 2-3 years for flagship androids

I used my previous 5s-based SE from 2016 to 2020 and then got a new one 8-based one that I expect to use for 2-3 years more

my old SE still works, I donated it to my student friend and he can install the latest iOS 15

>>12332
i heard that apple degrades performance on old iphones with new software updates

>>12336
>i heard that apple degrades performance on old iphones with new software updates
Everybody does this. At best usually just a side affect of bloat.

>>12332
>less than $400 outside of the US (and just $300 in the US) for a decent phone that will receive iOS updates for 5-6 years compared to 2-3 years for flagship androids
or you could find a cheaper android that has full lineageos support

>>12344
yeah, but it's a small additional cost to pay for the iOS app ecosystem and a decent camera (don't judge me, I take photos of street cats frequently)

>>12336
they degraded it automatically when the device's battery was getting older, but then added a switch for that after an outcry – just put a new battery and it's ok again

I still use iPad Air 1 that I bought in 2013: it's a bit sluggish but works for using iBooks and browsing leftypol

They are a fashion and lifestyle company for people with the best ideas, best politics, best fashion sense, best social life, and great income to afford all these things.

Apple products aren't for bums and broke third worlders, but they are definitely something for those kind of people to one day aspire to.

>>12374
>the marketing department wants you to believe in status symbols
anon please try to think different

Who else can make a nice laptop that actually has a nice haptic trackpad, good speakers, and a nice screen and giant battery??

iPhones are expensive but they'll last you a long time and give you a massive return on day-to-day convenience
can't think of a single Android on that level of quality

>>12657
Check out the Framework laptop, that's a company that was recently created by former apple engineers.
https://frame.work/

>>12375
where did you get this

>>12675
framework laptops look cool, but they're unjustifiablly expensive and i'm skeptic that the company will remain afloat long enough for the modular gimmick to really pay off in the long run.

plus, fat chance they have a haptic trackpad that can compete. i hate my work-issued MBP that regularly flashes a bright light from the shitty touchbar directly into my retinas every so often in what i can only deem are targeted attempts at killing me through seizures, but the trackpad is really good and has basically 0 competition in the laptop market. most people can't even tell the clicks on the trackpad are haptic responses

>>12665
i recently gave my dad my old oneplus 5t as a replacement phone for a galaxy with a dead screen, it's almost 5 years old and is still going strong.

With the new Apple Studio needing to be connected to another Mac to initialize a new SSD module, I am perplexed by one thing. How come IBM got rightfully wrecked doing its blatant vendor lock-in with the PS/2 yet Apple never gets burned for its bullshit?

>>12679
where tf have I heard this exact sentence from b4? also lol

>>12679
It's $1300 for a quad core lmao actually seemed on the cheap side for a thin ultra book. I'd have to see a side by side with a Lenovo X1

This is what he said rn at the new apple event about cross platform messaging and RCS

>https://twitter.com/reckless/status/1567713870848086016?s=46&t=dctr1HnOCY3OGz3fCHo_EA

What a fucking porky, I'm happy that the EU is forcing them to do a bunch o' shit

Rare good things

"People" (affluent westerners) like Apple because it's a supposed Reaganomics success story
It combines runaway financial speculation with supposed technological innovation (no Apple engineer has invented a useful thing in their lives)

>>19049
That being said, buy whatever smartphone you want IDC

ITT: Losers and resentoids.

Macs ive seen long outlive other computers ive seen so at least they do that well. I have seen a 20 year old iMac run just fine. They also deserve credit for being the lesser evil. Their Apple maps is less intrusive in data collection than Google maps. Even if it's just for show they do more for privacy concerns than other companies. Meanwhile Microsoft directly actively seek work to make programs for government agents and police with no qualms for privacy or ethics whatsoever. Their icloud had recently been updated to allow for local encryption so they dont even have your security key when files get uploaded while google and microsoft do no such thing. The big downside is how severely locked down Apple devices are and less customizable

>>19079
90s Ataris and Commodores also held up well. IBM compats had the problem is that many of them were cheapo grey boxes that cut corners to get very lost costs. Mac always had a problem of being more about experience then utility where the other manufactures of Motorola 68k computers at the time went with more expandable systems to not paint their own engineers into a corner.

>>19079
I have also seen many PCs run fine, actually have one running right now

>>19088
Yeah not saying it doesnt happen and part of it is the higher entry price of Macs so fairest comparison is similar specs on a PC and similar usage for comparison with a Mac. What i dont like about PCs is they don't offer warranty repairs locally like Apple does. Just dont like the idea of shipping out my computers if something goes wrong. Ideally id rather a PC i could work on myself but that's not possible for everyone to do and my soldering skills are not good.

The M2 tho

newest iphones are definitely overpriced, but also Apple keeps old gen phones in stock as affordable options, unlike every other manufacturer. figure this out, atheists.

also i'm tempted to get an iphone and air tags because the android alternative, tile, sucks massive dicks and balls. and also the automator app seems like a decent alternative to making some geofencing scripts without ITTT or some other third party garbage. really the only thing that stops me from just buying an iphone is youtube revanced. talk to me out of buying an iphone fellas.

>>19107
Why are you going to waste your money on a phone that has planned obsolescence where it be basically useless after 2 years? You really want to contribue to Apple's hardware waste because of their policies, oh and do you really want to support a company that starts the most awful of trends starting with their phones. Only to lose to the EU and are most likely going to remove usb-C and force all their phones to be charged via proprietary phone chargers.

>>19078
Channer talking about being a resentful loser?

>>19122
TBF I had an iPhone 8 for over 4 years and it was still working decently when I traded it in

>>19126
you're right, there's nothing more channer than irrational apple hatred.

>>19128
I was referring to your awkward use of -oid but now also your weird cookie-cutter argumentation like you've been waiting to argue about Apple for the 27917492th time in your sad little life

>>19133
My life is happy, thank you very much.

>>19107
No, Tile isn't the only alternative on Android. There also iis the Samsung Galaxy Tag and the Cube Shadow and Cube GPS Tracker among others. What do you even want to use these airtags for? Do you really need it linked with a phone or could you be fine using an ipod touch or an ipad if you're set on this specific brand? As a stock device Apple has better privacy over Google on Android but get an Android if you plan on using a custom ROM to DeGoogle it. Just dont mindlessly update iphone if you get one check what other people say on how the update effected their iphone model before updating. Though i should warn ive found that many websites drop support for Safari very quickly compared to other browsers so they kind of force you to update. Plus you should keep in mind Apple locked people out of old iphone modles a while back which i havent heard of other companies doing before yet then again they probably would if they could just the ability wasnt baked into Android.

>>19122
Every phone has planned obsolescence nowadays

> You really want to contribue to Apple's hardware waste because of their policies
I don't think my purchase or my lack thereof will sway Apple one way or the other. You said it yourself, Apple had to bite the bullet because of legislative action, not because of phone sale trends. Provide real reasons.

>>19137
> What do you even want to use these airtags for?
To find my keys and wallet

> What do you even want to use these airtags for?
It has a way more robust GPS network, you have a much better chance of finding your lost/stolen wallets. I'm consciously running the risk of being tracked, I honestly prefer that to having my wallet stolen. Also the whole find my iphone/mac seems way more reliable than what google currently offers. I've ran into scary situations because google failed to lock the phone after getting stolen.

> you should keep in mind Apple locked people out of old iphone modles a while back which i havent heard of other companies doing before yet then again
Legit I don't know what you're talking about. Legacy support is much much better on Apple. I have an up to date iPhone 8, it's pretty insane that a phone this old is still getting updates, any other manufacturer would've abandoned it 2 years ago.

> Though i should warn ive found that many websites drop support for Safari very quickly compared to other browsers so they kind of force you to update
I dunno what you're talking about, but all this Safari talk does remind me that Apple forbids third party browsers on the app store, chrome and firefox for iOS use shitty webkit internally. I usually browse the internet using firefox with noscript and ublock,so I'm used to broken websites. There's a way to disable javascript wholesale from settings, but it kinda blows that I have to manually enable or disable instead of whitelisting websites. On the other hand there seems to be an adblocker on the app store, no jailbreak needed.

Also no real alternative to automator. Shame!

>>19139
>It has a way more robust GPS network, >Also the whole find my iphone/mac seems way more reliable than what google currently offers.
>I've ran into scary situations because google failed to lock the phone after getting stolen.
If this is the case then you would either want iPhone with Airtags or a Samsung with Galaxy Tags. Samsung tags work same way as Apple's does where it uses other near by Samsung devices to help locate. GPS doesnt work indoors which is why other methods are used for these sort of things along side it. Though assuming you are in US the networking for iPhone is likely more wide since it's half the marketshare and Samsung isnt. Samsung has it's own app store other than Google Play and it's own account system seporate from Google's for the find your phone and remote locking. Remote locking is a bad strategy though why not just use a screen lock at all times? Even if you could have locked your phone there is several ways to unlock any locked phone or at least on Android i havent looked into the exploits iPhones have but i know there is Pegasus so. For security if you legit lost your phone you really have to wipe the data remotely but even then the data can be recovered if someone had the knowledge and intent in doing so but usually when someone steals a phone it's to sell it rather than the contents of it.
>Legit I don't know what you're talking about.
Unfortunately im having trouble finding the link. It caused uproad a bunch of users of old iphone models I assume earlier than yours were locked down where they cant access the data. Apple said it was for their own good basically trying to force users with iphones that are like ten(?) years old to get a new phone. This likely was becausbecause of the pandemic attempting to cash in more.
>Legacy support is much much better on Apple.
Apple is 6 - 8 years support so yes but …. Google Pixels get 5 years security updates. Xiaomi gets 5 years updates for it's flagship models and Oppo and Poco get around 3 years support i think. Samsung gets 3 or 4. You only see 2 years mainly on budget phones like Motorola. So it's not as bad as you suggest against some others but it's in the top above most a good amount yes.
> I dunno what you're talking about, but all this Safari talk does remind me that Apple forbids third party browsers on the app store, chrome and firefox for iOS use shitty webkit internally.
Some websites dont work saying your browser isnt up to date and not supported. Ive ran into this issue on ipad if not up to date iPadOS that is only a couple'ish years behind. Webkit actually has a better Javascript implementation at least. Im not sure what the motive for the restriction is but im assuming it may be for security because they dont want a browser security breech to make iphones look unsafe. Have you tried installing a plugin for Safari for userscripts to see if there are any that can block javascript selectively lilike a full addon would? Or tried different browsers?

Only tech illiterates use apple products.

>>19153
The retro community doesn't like people lumping the Apple ][ in with modern Apple products with such statements. A hot rodded Apple 2gs was used to port Doom to the 3DO by Rebecca Heineman, also in the 1990s Macintosh workstations were used as clients to Unix render farms.

>>19095
?
Why don't you just bring your PC to someone local then instead of shipping it out? Plus how do you break your computer on a basis tight enough to worry about warranty?

>>19153
Tell that to the Quadra running OpenBSD that was my desktop for a fair while

i'm so fucking tired of my iPhone at this point. everything has to go through THEIR ecosystem of apps to work and it sucks. I just want to put music on my phone reliably without having to use iTunes and use Apple's shitty lossless codec. Once my contract is up I'm definitely getting an Android phone. I don't know what, but I'm getting a non-Apple phone. Maybe a Pixel or something.

What the fuck am I supposed to buy instead? A google android? One of those super overpriced open source phones? A used thinkpad with fedora on it? I am not a smart enough man to integrate my work beyond windows and an iPhone.

>>20524
>>20521
Xiaomi

>>20524
Google Pixel devices are good because it's so easy to flash a custom ROM (LineageOS) on it.

>>20657
Xiaomi too. They all come with unlocked bootloaders. MIUI is open source so you can have a "stock ROM" without all the google and Xiaomi/Mi shit: https://xiaomi.eu/community/forums/miui-rom-releases.103/

I’ve held off on getting a MacBook for years now, but the time feels like it’s edging closer and closer. For the past 20 years I’ve been gaming on windows, but recently I got lazy and have been using a used ps4. My ‘gaming’ Lenovo is now 5 years old. It’s beaten and battered with shattered plastic parts and a huge cracked screen. It’s become a burden with how large it is, how ugly it is, and how shit it’s battery life is. I don’t think it’s ever lasted longer than an hour unplugged. It can’t run modern games like it used to. Windows now periodically gives me advertisements as it freezes and makes my life a living hell. I am not the computer guy I was back in 09’. I feel like getting a Mac is giving up and moving on. I don’t want to have to buy new usb-c gear. I don’t want to have to adjust to mac settings. But I know it’ll probably be easier for me and my work. The work will get done.