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"Technology reveals the active relation of man to nature" - Karl Marx
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 No.14419

2006-2015: 375% increase in CS majors
2006-2015: 20% increase in number of software-related jobs

 No.14425

It's taken this long to get back to dot-com boom employment levels, but porky is still screeching about a worker shortage. The situation is worse than those graphs because it doesn't take into account H1-B workers.

 No.14426

most of those majors were replacing a retiring workforce

 No.14427

>>14419
Porky is desperate for more tech workers.
I hope they don't get them.

 No.14499

it's even worse from 2015-2020
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13ETRYMl1H6EQmkOIU6T86b0VdpvWwv4k6ggmJ7slylM/
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/IPUMN5415W201000000
>>14425
>porky is still screeching about a worker shortage
that's been debunked even by new york times https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/20/briefing/labor-shortages-covid-wages.html
"labor shortage" is domestic class war corporate propaganda similar to how "russia is committing genocide" is fake news psyops geopolitical propaganda
>>14426
ur funny
>>14427
it's other way around

 No.14551

Thankfully for me, most of those """CS Majors""" are fucking awful at programming and software engineering. I've seen it firsthand, 90% of my graduating class still didn't know how to use a CLI or manually manage memory. Oh and now with Zoom University, cheating is more rampant than ever. Then when I entered the workforce, I learned that all of my coworkers were hopelessly mediocre at programming as well.

If you're a good programmer, you'll always have job security in tech. Just git gud and don't worry about """the market."""

 No.14583

>>14551
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias

chances are you were still a gleam in someone's eye while i was coding in turbo c and turbo pascal

 No.14584

>>14583
I'm not doing survivorship bias, I'm saying a ton of people who are going into tech degrees will get nowhere with them and have been scammed, because they spent four years learning nothing and have no skills.

 No.14603

>>14551
Most of those weaker CS majors will end up in application support, IT infrastructure, helpdesk, or become business analysts. Some will muddle through as mediocre programmers for the minimum amount of years until they manage to get into project/product management (or "real" management). So they will still have jobs in the tech industry just not as programmers.

 No.14604

>>14551
>90% of my graduating class still didn't know how to use a CLI or manually manage memory
Non garbo collected languages are common in industry and using a CLI is optional depending on IDE.

 No.14628

>>14604
People who don't understand memory management write bad GC lang code. I've seen this basic pattern all over real production code:
Class1 DoSomething(Class1 thing) {
    Class1 thingCopy = thing; 
    thingCopy.Mutate(); // Oops
    return thingCopy;
}


CLI tools are used all the time even for IDE-centric languages like C# or Java. Programmers who don't venture out of their IDE even a bit won't have a clue what's going on when they:
>write a build script or pipeline
>run migrations
>use git
>have to deal with their web frontends
>the list goes on…

>>14603
True enough. This applies to a lot of "wasted"/"useless" majors– they end up doing something somewhat unrelated to their degree, but not necessarily just working at Starbucks.

 No.14669

>>14628
>This applies to a lot of "wasted"/"useless" majors– they end up doing something somewhat unrelated to their degree, but not necessarily just working at Starbucks.
except CS isn't just SWE, its more generic so a linux sysadmin, network admin, QA, or prod/app support engineer/analyst isn't really wasting their degree, they just have a job in tech thats less prestigious than being a dev.


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