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What is the best e-reader? Is the Kindle paperwhite even worth mentioning?


>Is the Kindle paperwhite even worth mentioning?
No, Amazon readers lock you into the Amazon ecosystem and it's a bitch to get out of.

Go with a Kobo device, because it accepts all common text formats: epub, mobi, pdf, html, txt, etc. I have a kobo clara hd and I am very satisfied with it.


I've been using a kindle for ~3 years now, and it's fine. Airplane mode is on, and I'm not logged in, so I miss out on a few features. You can read anything you want using pandoc and calibre/kindlegen, though there are custom roms are supposed to unlock everything. AFAIK it's the cheapest that is still built well, so there's that.


Amazon shill


what ROMs?


https://koreader.rocks/ is supposed to be popular.
I wish


Kobo is the only based ereader, download calibre on your pc and you can easily transfer free pirated books when your kobo comes out of the boc, without missing out on new features of the kobo software


This thread is on /edu/ about 4 times so check there for more information. Recently got the 7inch Kobo, I'm loving it so far. Friend said his 6inch was too small and I think it was worth getting the extra inch of size, it is like a small book page-size now as opposed to a tiny book. Haven't used it enough to get a good idea of the battery life, but love pretty much everything else about it. I don't, and will never, buy anything off any book store, just read my own epub and pdf collection so I know nothing about this side of things. The store is probably the only reason (and free 4G?) I could imagine anyone picking an Amazon device, but if you're a leftist fuck that.

The downside is I still had to make an account and it still has wifi and stuff, so it isn't the most secure device in existence but that's sorta what you have to do with ereaders.
Yeah get calibre too


Not in its proper form (this OP) on the right board (/tech/).


e-readers used to all be without wireless
Is there any with contemporary hardware that still ships w/o wireless? I think that would be the Bunkerchan-certified line (since you'd be able to read your thought-crime lit in any neo-fascist regime without worries).


got a kobo glo a few years ago, just used it as is from factory; it broke (dropped it pretty badly) couple of years ago and bought a glo hd and have been super satisfied. Installed >>3887 koreader with kobo start menu and never have to use the kobo software. koreader even has an rss reader (though a bit buggy) and I just download a bunch of blogs and news straight to epub, it's pretty great; only thing it doesn't do is reading asw(?) files, but they're pretty rare

don't think so because the companies kinda all push their book marketplace nowadays; though with an alternative software like koreader you can use without having to turn on wifi at all


+1 for the Clara HD. Kobo is just generally comfy as hell, especially with koreader. Wanted to get an Aura H20 but couldn't find one for cheap in ok condition.


Thanks for the recommendations boys. I just ordered a Libra H2O, can't wait till it gets here. Will report once I get it.


Why the fuck are e-readers so expensive?


A few things
>Only recently became usable to the point where they can be realistically sold at profit
>Major patents covering them only very recently expired so previously there were only really a few OEM's manufacturing them at inflated production cost due to the patents

But the main things are
>Limited use case and market
E-ink is a relatively niche technology that basically does one thing, giving a paper like display, really, really well and does a lot of other things absolutely terribly, which dramatically limits the products its suited to, which limits its market reach and profitability

This is further compounded by the fact that the single largest market for them by a massive majority, e-books, have been flagging in sales for years, as ebooks are the kind of thing that get bought and used until they fall apart, unlike phones and televisions which are upgraded continually as they become outdated, an almost decade old first generation kindle still gives an excellent reading experience and will not have noticeably degraded in performance from the day it was purchased, displaying text is all they do so there's no need to upgrade from those old, now cheap devices to something new unless you need really niche features like displaying manga, which means ebooks are an eternally low volume product purchased by relatively select demographics, especially when you can get a cheap android tablet that displays books OK and does everything else immensely better for the same or less money

These lead to
>Limited financial incentive and difficult swallowing cost of painful R&D
E-ink is a niche technology, with reliable, but low marketability, mostly used in single purpose devices, to break out of that mold, it would need a lot of work done with it to bring its feature set up, being able to accurately display colour is I'm sure something lots of Ebook enthusiasts would die for, as is a higher refresh rate that would make E-ink panels at least useable for things other than displaying and occasionally changing static text, however, low volume item with massive R&D costs to improve t;o the point where it can break out of its silo and work towards being a higher volume item means a long period of companies swallowing thousands and thousands of spent man hours and millions of dollars in research money for a middling transitional product that costs too much they can sell right now as they go, or even better, eating all those costs for at least a few years then releasing a finished product with a dramatically inflated prices due to the dev costs that will sell like hot aids for at least a few product cycles

This is in a symbiotic relationship with the last and main reason, the two feed off of each other

>E-Ink simply doesn't benefit from the massive economies of scale that LCD and now OLED does

Rather than ask why E-INK is so costly, look at why regular panels are so cheap, how can amazon sell you a fire tablet for $50 when their most basic ereader is almost double that and does about 1% as much stuff?
The answer is massive production runs, other market incentives and being able to use already paid for manufacturing techniques and facilities

E-INK is basically in the stage that stuff like 8k tvs were 5 years ago, primitive proofs of concept packaged up and sold at a seemingly absurd price to relatively few people, the difference is that 8k panels etc benefit from existing technology, their development will have massive application outside of just tv's and they have an obvious mass appeal across multiple market sectors, so they get money and scientists thrown at them until they're really good, and the R&D cost passed onto each individual consumer is kept low by very long production runs and large sales volumes.
E-INK, by its nature, cannot really benefit from those


*difficulty swallowing cost of R&D


Nice post. Are there any Android tablets out there right now that are actually good? Can any run linux or do you have to succ the goog?


Pick one
Pinetab is a dedicated linux tablet, you could go with that, otherwise I guess read up on XDA forums for a tablet with decent roms/good price to perf and buy that and just degoogle it, android tablets have always been a bit of a meme tbh, I'd just spend the money to get a manga capable e-reader or maybe get something like a pinebook pro for a disposable device with a good screen and keyboard and good battery life


Yea, that's basically what I thought was the case. I just bought an e-reader >>3949 so I'm not even on the market for a tablet really, I was just hoping that things had progressed in that space in the past couple of years.


Now that's interesting. What makes it disposable / how do they get the price that low? Is the build quality shit? Pathetic babby CPU? Everything else looks great honestly.


The pro is 200 dollars, I'm exaggerating a bit when I say its disposable but its really cheap and really good for what you get, its mainly so cheap because its basically a raspberry pi like ARM board in a laptop shell, plenty good for watching films and playing old games and other small laptop stuff and good battery life and decent radios thanks to arm

I really want one to replace my aging laptop but its hard to justify buying something I don't strictly need, it does look pretty good though


I heard kobo works as a great manga reader since you can side-load cbr/cbz files on it.


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>an almost decade old first generation kindle
13 years old actually!
Found one at an estate sale a year ago,
and it of course continues to work for reading stuff just brilliantly, the combination of Amazon propriety and being old means it has subpar format support, but that's whatever.
Its design is a bit goofy versus the actually practical stuff today of course, Bezos tried making it more 'bookier'.
E-ink is expensive but really does retain its value.


I have an onyx boox pro and it does everything I need it to, can drag and drop pdfs with zero fucks given or import from dropbox. Ama if interested

But for now Id hold out on buying an ereader as color eink displays will be big soon. Onyx already has a 6 inch color display out.


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recently got a remarkable.
I enjoy it a lot.


why are these things so darn expensive? most of them are above 200 bucks, why wouldnt i just get a tablet instead? all i read are pdfs


They are expensive because of e-Ink, and you would get one instead of a tablet if you want e-Ink.
Stuff looks just like paper so it's better on the eyes and batteries on ereaders last pretty long as well as a result of e-Ink being fairly low power consumption.
If you don't give a damn about those things, there's not necessarily a reason to get one instead of a cheapo tablet that does more things,
but I've found older second hand ereaders for pretty damn cheap around and about.

If you're burger and one of their stores is near you, Half-Price Books may well have a used ereader in stock.
Hell, quick search on eBay and here's an older Kobo model I got for about $25: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Kobo-Wireless-eReader-1GB-Wi-Fi-6in-Black/154054320446?epid=103171658&LH_BIN=1
Age really doesn't matter with these things so much as long as they at least work; these are products that exist solely for reading books with e-Ink.
Though I think older ones might be too shitty to display stuff like manga in high enough quality.


Can you write notes onto the page? Does any e-reader support note taking?



Yes it can write notes onto the pages with the pen, you can also export them.


That's amazing, I think I will get one of these asap. Don't really care about color displays, just want a nice big screen.



Ok if you are interested there are 2 websites where Onyx sells their Boox, but this one is the official one: https://shop.boox.com/

The other one is Russian and they take longer to get the firmware updates.

Also before you buy check out this video review of it to see if it’s up your alley.


Personally I paid 600$ for it when it came out and love it really. It’s worth it based on how many books I have on there already. The battery life could use some improvement as if you browse the internet on it, it will last only 2-3 days. Eink uses power when the screen changes so for normal reading it lasts like 2-3 weeks.




>Is the Kindle paperwhite even worth mentioning?
You're all retarded. You can jailbreak the Paperwhite and run your own software, including Koreader.


Anyone had any luck trying to remove the wifi chip from a kindle?


Battery lasts super long. I barely charge mine. It's easily 24 hours of reading straight

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