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 No.6401[Last 50 Posts]

We're on a new board, so why not a new desktop thread? Let's keep this board active. Hopefully a fresh thread will draw some activity.

You know the drill: post your desktops, talk rice, etc etc.gentooGentoo


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Laptop rice. I think my status bar looks too crowded with the music module showing, but I don't want to remove any other modules since they they're useful.


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Based. I like your laptop emacs theme. Idk if I'd say the bar is crowded, does look a little THICC tho

Mine is very minimal at the moment, and I need to rice cmus. Trying out gccemacs, it's snappy and I haven't ran into any issues yet, anyone had any experience with it?slavojSlavoj


Standard mac-themed KDE; the rice life is not for me anymore

You can hide the network name and only display the icon, as well as hiding the date from your clock.


are you reading a screenshot of a web page?
I know that is more bandwith efficient with soydev sites, but not marxists.orgchinaChina


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Well Here's mine hope you all like it:


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i got a new thinkpad. why install arch when fedora just werks00ae ?


my shit, don't really ow how to customize Xubuntu that much, but I really like what >>6413 has going on.


and they say linux isn't for gaming

but you do have protective measures like firejail for those proprietary binaries right?


Do you still have to use launchers and shit like steam for those games? Or at least buy them through a launcher?


Yeah unfortunately I still have to use steam.


Yeah, shit kinda difficult on Linux having to deal with 1000 different distros to release shit on I guess, you can’t just put shit in a repo.


No, it is tor browser, which I don't tile for obvious reasons. I moved it to the right hand side to show my themes clearly.slavojSlavoj


Based Debian and theme. Cringe gamer moment
A bit boring but nice wallpaper and colours.
How do you want to customize it?slavojSlavoj


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I guess your laptop does not have 3 Xinerama screens :^)


Idk, I kinda like the window theme that the Debian guy has, aswell as the font.


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It never ceases to amaze me that people think the fact that they don't even use their desktops is somehow impressive.


Fucking awesome. Why Acme?
I basically treat my desktop as a desk or workspace. I don't want shit everywhere cluttering it up. The most important applications I have open with a keybind, and that can be done with all the applications you have there, and it's a lot faster than clicking (not to mention I can do it anywhere without having to first, clear my workspace, and then find it on my desktop). In terms of folders, how often do you find yourself opening that firefox folder, or supertuxkart folder? Everything I need to edit I can quickly find in emacs, or if I need a good terminal Ranger, if I need to do some weird stuff I can open the file browser, but it's just not a regular enough occurrence to warrant it permanently cluttering my desktop. This is my rationale anyways.slavojSlavoj


>I basically treat my desktop as a desk or workspace.
So you say, but what does this actually mean? If you don't put anything on it, then you're not actually using it at all. Might as well stick to a file manager and window manager and eliminate any bloat. The purpose of a desktop is to access files quickly. If you're not using all sorts of shortcuts, symlinks, .desktop files, etc., then you might as well remove it.

>how often do you find yourself opening that firefox folder, or supertuxkart folder

I admit to being a little disorganized at the moment, those are both temporary folders for compiling.


Well I put whatever I'm working on on it (applications) and sometimes paper (files on the desktop) however I clean all this up daily so it isn't cluttered with stuff I don't need. I don't really care about the bloat meme, here I'm gonna use emacs regardless so may as well use it as much as possible. I would argue desktop links are far more bloat, since they are visual distractions and far less efficient than having a keybind. Like you say sometimes temporary files stay on the desktop or too long, but overall I keep it clean so I only have to look at what's relevant.
>The purpose of a desktop is to access files quickly.
Most people have a launcher to search for files, I just type super+space and can then type any file or folder and open it, as opposed to clearing screen -> finding the folder with my eyes -> taking hands off the keyboard to click on it.slavojSlavoj


That looks like shit, though. Really niggas use tiling windows managers to maximize screen space and usage. Part of the benefit is looking dope, too.


I like because it looks pretty :)anarchismAnarchism


I have enough tiling shortcuts in my window manager to be useful, I don't understand the hype behind dedicated tilers.


>That looks like shit, though.
I didn't realize a work environment was for impressing onlookers.


I’ve been using Gentoo for about 3 years now and I’m getting tired of always dealing with dependency conflicts every single update. I want to switch systems to something more reliable but I don’t want to lose too many of the features portage offers. I hear portage is based on BSD, should I just take the BSDpill?
ps I’m not going to switch to Arch, so don’t say it.


xbps perhaps?


I have that on my Mac mini and it’s pretty nice, but installing packages from source using their “templates” seems like an annoyingly manual process that Gentoo simply doesn’t suffer from. plus it doesn’t really seem like there’s much of a community around making user-made templates to any scale similar to Portage’s “overlay” community.


Acme really has a lot of potential, though I mostly use it with troff (>troff|page) at the moment.
I actually plumb webpages into a series of scripts (see the tarball; it said unknown file extension, so please remove the .txt) with lynx -dump and some text massaging (mostly removing unnecessary breaks hence 'br').
It also fetches non html files and plumbs them again.
Unfortunately lynx handles links poorly, they are given a reference number (that the content obviously interferes with) and all the lynx at the bottom, so fixing this will either need a dedicated filter script or acme program.
At the moment I am working on a simple zettelkasten system, that either opens a matching filepath in the $ZTLDIR, or an acme style listing of a matching directory path at button 3 and allows you to edit or create any hierarchy on button 2.


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It is my understanding that functional package managers like Nix and Guix allow for declaratively customizing packages via compilation options. This system is not as powerful as Gentoo's USE flags, but it does offer enough that any Gentoo user would be interested. Nix and Guix also make it a lot easier for you to install binaries along with source compiled packages, since you don't have to rely on binhosts and such. I think the main advantage for you here would be the way these systems handle dependencies, allowing for rollbacks and whatnot. Might be what you're looking for.

Read these if you're interested, they talk about Gentoo a bit:


Shame the Guix project leads stabbed Stallman in the back. I have no expectation for future stability when people like that are in charge.


thanks a lot, I’ll check it out


you have any further info on that?



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Both look really cool. I'm hesitant to give Nix a go since it just looks like the necesseray shit before something great like Guix can come along
>for reasons of finding few jokes offensive
>Le all my actions are excusable because they were just jokes meme
Stallman fucked up, if he put more effort into making sure the movement thrives after he inevitably leaves than he did writing edgy 'jokes' we wouldn't be having this discussion

Kek this dude actually quotes /g/ posts on this
>Trannies: Making autistic people kill themselves. I never had a problem with them before, but now I do.


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Linux noob reporting in. Pls no bulli


>I'm hesitant to give Nix a go since it just looks like the necesseray shit before something great like Guix can come along
Honestly, the only issue with Nix is the language, which is subpar at best. It's not bad, but well… it's not a Lisp either. Give it a try. Nix is currently at a much higher stage of development than Guix, and has a lot more packages in its repository. There's also a few features like nix flakes which I don't think Guix has.

Few suggestions: declutter that panel/status bar. Also go into the Cinnamon desktop settings and change the alignment a bit so that desktop icons aren't hidden behind the bar.


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>juche dotard
you have ascended I see


why aren’t you using red star OS?


That shit looks old.


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anyone who isn't using this as the background is a revisionist


>the 2020s


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reviving this thread with my shitty persistent live usb, reminder; Arch is the distro of insufferable capitalist retards


Arch is the vanguard distro that will lead the desktop revolution by buiding Linux with GNU characteristicschinaChina




tranoid.rs posting


Based, but
I do like the rice though.
>Dracula colours
>Transparent on writing
Needs some jouissance, a little spark
I know nothing about this, is it good?slavojSlavoj


some chinese guy already defeated rust's fastest web framework, actix-web, with c++


also you misspelled receiver and persistence


It’s a good distro I’d recommend to anyone starting out with Linux if they want something stable and secure.


>Tfw the old thread is getting bumped above this one


OP back here. Updated to GNOME 40 and took the light theme pill. Took me some time to get used to both, but I'm happy with the results. GNOME 40 looks and feels pretty nice, and the light theme feels good for reading during the day. The white terminal background was super weird at first but I like it now. I also made some changes to my Emacs config to make it match the whole stup: enabled some GTK elements (menu and scroll bars) and a light theme. Feels comf.

I would suggest removing some of that transparency from Emacs for the sake of readability. Unfortunately Emacs can't enable transparency for the background only, so all text suffers from having it enabled. I can't use anything below 93% alpha myself.gentooGentoo



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How do I get colored borders around my windows like that? I'm on i3-gaps.spurdoSpurdo


here's an example
(maybe dont copy this, i added spacing for cleanness here)
# window/border colors
# class border backgr. text indicator child_border
client.unfocused #572F43 #572F43 #5b3256 #572F43 #572F43
client.focused #4C4C8C #4C4C8C #5b3256 #4C4C8C #4C4C8C
client.focused_inactive #302128 #302128 #e6e6fa #302128 #302128


oh and you need to fuck with border width, but it's pretty obvious in the github documentation for gaps iirc


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This actually helped alot! My set up is looking pretty dope, haha.

My only other question is: What would you recommend to fancy up my status bar? Right now I just have it removed, but, I wouldn't mind it if I could figure out how to make it look appealing.




i'm always jealous of how linux users have more interesting desktop than windows


Then install linux. What's holding you back?


i3bar is pretty limited. I use Polybar which is fairly easy to rice. See >>6402


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I've changed my status bar since that screenshot. Here's a new one. This version looks a lot less cluttered.


Can't afford devices to backup important documents.


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Giving sookless a try


I want that anime to sook me


Post background

Also post config, cause, suckless confuses the shit out of me.


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Posting a config would be a bit too hard cause I'd have to share the whole build since the patches modify more than config.def.h


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Awesome, thanks for the pic. Well, I guess I will just ask: Since I was a dwm greenhorn. Where would you start to actually learn how to use dwm? Can I ask that? Like how do you set your configs? I know you have to edit source code directly, but, I don't speak the language, I suppose, is how I feel.


Learn C if you want to make your own stuff but the patches already provided by other users should be plenty enough.





I am myself just a dumb ricer who can't program. I patch dwm with
patch -p1 &lt; patch.diff

You can watch some distrotube videos on it I guess. But I prefer to figure things out on my own because I don't want to give those chuds any youtube views (dt and luke smith mainly).


wait that's not what I typed. Wtf? It was patch -p1 < patch.diff


Wow. I'm surprised these literal neo nazis found enough kindness in their hearts to allow our little soyfingers the privilege having pre-made configs for their WM.


Because of their community I feel like doing something different. Maybe I'll switch to i3 or something. Tabbed layouts feel better when I'm trying to fit more than 3 windows into dwm's layout.


If you're going to switch at least use something that isn't obsolete.


Do you consider i3 obsolete? Why though? I actually think it's a good path forward since I'll be able to switch easily to sway when nvidia implements the fucking gbm backend in their driver or I buy an amd card.


It's so bloated, though.


Bloat is a meme for the most part. Would it really kill you if dwm takes up, say, 1 mb of ram and i3 takes up 5? Especially when your fucking browser is probably taking up 5 gigs.


>Especially when your fucking browser is probably taking up 5 gigs.
You just explained why bloat matters, it's not like you're running a single program at a time.


well, no. If I remove the browser out of the picture then my whole OS would be consuming way less than 1 gb. With the browser it's often 10gb out of 16. I can't remove the browser and trying to save ram in that initial 1 gb is kind of pointless.


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Yeah but what OS are you running? 800mb is still a lot.

It's also worth noting that as the energy you spend on processioning increases the life span of your machine decreases.

My gentoo machine doesn't even break 100mb at idle and this is with i3 and a lot of unnecessary bloat. Also, what fucking browser are you using? Jesus christ.


wtf my setup is almost always at 1000-1200mb with firefox opened


I open like 100 tabs, firefox easily eats over 5-6 and more gigs like that. Also emacs eats like 600 megs or something when it has a lot of buffers opened (and all emacs extensions are better than their cli counterparts).


Why in gods name would you open so many tabs? Just close the tabs when you are done with them, kek. I use firefox too, but, I have configured mine to be as slim as possible using userChrome.css and various other standards.


Another mistake


Well i'm not done with them. That's why they aren't closed.
>Another mistake
Nah, after years of using mostly cli shit, I've realized that emacs' stuff was way better.
notmuch > mutt
elfeed > newsboat
proced > htop
vterm > terminal + tmux
And org-mode is god tier, I use it all the time to catalog my stuff.


There's this thing called a bookmark.


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Found the ram-hoarding kulakstalinStalin


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Shitting and farting in Linux
VMing a good OS. Linux cannot create elephants like thisanarcho-nihilismAnarcho-Nihilism


What can you really use it for apart from Terry's games?


OP what is the RSS feed reader you've got going in the third screenshot?



realistic elephantsanarcho-nihilismAnarcho-Nihilism


Pleasant to work in with 16 color. Not 16,777,216 colors.gentooGentoo


How do onget temple OS working on a vm? Curious.


doom emacs is cool be nice

trying to interview for a rust engineer role


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looking at this thread i noticed how vanilla my desktop is lmao


What language is that? Go?


I'm an idiot. It's rust.


haha nah you're not an idiot
Rust isn't the easiest to parse language out there.
it's just a simple db-server implementation using the rocket web framework and the diesel ORM library


It says on the bottom lol. I missed it at first glance.

How's rust? It looks like a mix of scala and C++.


it's pretty alright. I like the tooling and the memory model. Much to do with server-side processes. the community is active, but a bit identitarian.


Xubuntu is based


I switched from dwm to KDE but is there something that is:
>less bloated than kde
>not as barebones as suckless trash
>stacking, no tiling
>can do semi tiling where you drag the window to the side and it fills half the screen
>future proof (hasn't been abandoned and has a wayland successor in development)

Maybe lxqt? But I think that pure openbox doesn't have semi tiling, Idk if lxqt does.




but those are for hotkeys? I was talking about how in, for example, KDE you can drag the window with a _mouse_ to the right side or to a corner and it would tile it automatically. I've no doubts that you can do it with hotkeys in openbox but I want a mouse experience.




But isn't it becoming more gnomified? CSDs in the settings apps aren't a good sign tbh. And apparently the might even use Mutter to enable wayland support.


No idea what any of that means, I just use it because it is comfy.


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>stacking, no tiling
>can do semi tiling where you drag the window to the side and it fills half the screen
Window resizing in Rio might be fast and precise enough to be equivalent to tiling (video related but when creating terminals and resizing windows, Rio actually shows the dimensions as a red rectangle, which ffmpeg doesn't record, the windows seem a bit slow because of picom and the text is huge, because I sit >2m apart from my monitor)
>less bloated than kde
which rio|xargs du -h
% ps aux|egrep '[0-9] /?([^ ]/)*rio'|tr -s ' ' ' '|cut -d ' ' -f 5 # Show virtual memory of Rio in KiB
>not as barebones as suckless trash
It might be too minimal for your liking, though remember, this allows other programs to act fullfill any missing functions (I position audacious, xclock and plan9 stats with xdotool in my xinitrc).
>future proof (hasn't been abandoned and has a wayland successor in development)
There is already a clone for Wayland https://wio-project.org/


great, now I want to fuck my desktop environment..


After fucking around with openbox I've come to a decision that this isn't worth it anymore and I'll just stick to KDE.


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Sorry to see you go, KDE can't do pipe menus.


Why would I need to have a menu like that when I can just press meta key and quickly enter what I need to launch?


And when you don't know what you need to launch?


Idk, never happened. I've been doing that even back when I used windows 8 and I've been doing that when I ran dwm (or other window managers) for many many months and the only thing I've used to launch stuff was dmenu and never once I've ran into the issue of not knowing what to type in.


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You know you can do a lot more than launch things with pipe menus, right? That last image wasn't even a launcher, it was a file browser.


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I prefer this wallpaper


based redstar


I can't really think of anything I would to do in a menu. Definitely not sending emails (I don't even use email for anything outside of website signups)


Just got started with Xfce, where should I go from here?


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wallpaper may vary


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do y'all think this is cringe

is jupyter on emacs cringe



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Why do you use a rolling release? Are you really willing to sacrifice security + stability just to get new features a bit sooner?


That's the reason I switched from Ubuntu, yes. Non-rolling release distros are actually more insecure since unfixed vulnerabilities can be really dangerous, that's why Microsoft is so anal about getting you to install updates all the time.
I also just like the convenience of typing one command to update everything instead of having to reinstall the entire system every new update, plus Arch just has better documentation and support in general than any other distro and it doesn't come severely bloated out of the box.

Oh, and can't also forget about how good pacman + yay is.


Stable and LTS releases both address bugs and vulnerabilities; they just don't add features so soon. They're versions that get tested more before being released (relative to bleeding edge releases) however security is something that updates are released for.
From what I've seen, the OSs which make you reinstall the whole system are in the minority. I know that's the case for mobile distros like LineageOS, however with the main desktop distros you just download and install, with the most inconvenience being some extra time spent during boot applying the updates. I do agree about the documentation though, I use the wiki despite not using the OS myself, and the lack of bloat is also a bit of a plus but frankly it really doesn't seem it's worth the relative hastiness of package testing. Better reliability and security are way more central than shaving off some bloat and having new features quicker, I'm certain.


The actual software that sucks less


very lickable feet


But don't go anywhere near her face unless you like the taste of an ashtray.


I would share my desktop but I have a wallpaper of my waifu and I'm a windowsfag so I would get laughed at.


Show us your dual-booted Linux install


Post your wallpaper.






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It's time to post my soilarized rice.


Where are your tabs? The asduo thing?


What tabs? You mean workspaces? super+Asdfuiop keys for switching between workspaces.


Kinda weird how there's just some white space around the actual viewport in the browser. Also, Epic, haven't seen that in a long time.




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arranged the windows this way just for showcase web browser is always in fullscreen in the first workspace actually


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pretty basic, but works


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>bedrock linux
highly based



> Shell: bash

dafuq? shouldn't powershell be there? is that some kind of bug?


You can have the bash shell on windows since version 10, it basically installs a barebone tty-ubuntu, and it uses WSL or Windows Subsystem for Linux, under the hood to make it work with the windows nt kernal. Not everything works, but a lot does. Maybe this exists because some level 12 linux wizard was forced to use windows at one point, i don't really know.


It just checks the SHELL environmental variable, if it is not set by PS it will not detect it.


How does one even use their desktop?

t. windows user (get it out of your system now)


>How does one even use their desktop?
you can put a picture one it.
you can use it as file manager that lacks 90% of the functionality
you can use it as an unsorted pile of program launch icons
you can put widgets on it, they have very little information and make your computer slow

There was a minetest (opensource minecraft clone) plugin/addon thingy that was trying to make a 3D user interface. It was supposed to mimic the functionality of a terminal but instead of using text commands it used blocks. It was supposed to make it easier to use more complex commands because blocks would allow a better overview.
In addition it was also supposed to replace most of the GUI elements of desktops. For example: you were supposed to be able to teleport into a settings cave and switch around levers and "minecraft art" representations of computer subsystems would visually show the configuration.

That was supposed to run in the background of the desktop, and basically if you put the focus on the desktop it would run a mintest where your wall-paper was going to be. It was ages ago, i don't think it went anywhere. It's also not a new idea, i vaguely remember somebody telling me that there was a doom-2-engine based 3d desktop in the 90s.

All things considered a 3d environment that exploits the 3rd dimension to improve functionality and accessibility for "computer-casuals" would be a nice idea. A lot of system logic could be made intuitive by exploiting the fact that humans are relatively good at spacial reasoning by default. That said I'm pretty sure that nothing will ever replace a text based command-line interface for serious computer users, because computer code will always be text based. The proximity of text based interfaces and programing is the reason for it being the most powerful interface.


I regularly have +-80 tabs open and firefox doesn't use more then 1-2gb of 16gb.


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I am safe under the gaze of Google.
Everything in this place always makes sense.
There are no problems here.




There are no secrets here.


This is a virtual machine… is the picture even yours or did you download it from reddit?



using the terminal within the ChromeOS linux development environment "Crostini"

Linux applications run surprisingly smooth in the CrOS environment.


You're at the mercy of a big tech corp not turning off dev-mode.


meh, idk I don't think that I depend on Google for much of anything actually. In some fringe scenario where Google decides to go fullretard on the devmode stuff then life wouldn't change much, or I'd just use CloudReady of Gallium

Ultimately, because of lack of support for certain software I need for my work, I use a desktop for more serious matters…
The chromebook is just nice to use as a web surfing netbook since it's cheap, built around and optimized for browsing, and because it's so lightweight and efficient, I get 13 hours of battery on the thing which is cool. It runs remarkably smooth given its modest specs.

you don't need a phone number to make a google account, and you don't even need to make or use a gmail address, so you can use one without ever having your irl shit associated with it


>It never ceases to amaze me that people think the fact that they don't even use their desktops is somehow impressive.
What is the point of the desktop? It'd be better if it was better integrated with the file browser. As it stands it's just a folder with a background.


>As it stands it's just a folder with a background.
Yes. Yes it is
Upon logging into your system, you should just be met a full screen'd file explorer which you can't exit out of or minimize… or if you did minimize it, it would just be a background picture… which you can't really interact with by putting files on it…

I don't know, maybe it does make sense
it's just like your literal irl desktop
you plop down your current work that you messing with and it's scattered before you and easy to look at and interact with


>It'd be better if it was better integrated with the file browser.
Many desktop environments do exactly that. LXDE for example uses PCManFM as both a file manager and its desktop display.


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What up, friends


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I hate having an nvidia card under Loonix. My only solution for tearing is picom which uses an absurd amount of CPU for what it does. Also still on X because I like lightweight tiling WMs.


If you have an empty pci slot, buy an older radeon card.
You may also consider get one of the newer amd apu, the last gen has 6 and 8 core cpus.


is there an actual point to having cpu/ram use on your taskbar if you have lots of it


Sometimes I like to keep an eye on my swap usage so I don't get unexpected surprises.


That pic comfy af god I love old themes
I use icewm I wish there available working oldfag themes for gtk/qt



minimal window managers are pointless. just uninstall x11 at that point




xfce is a minimal window manager retard




No. Xfce is a desktop environment using the window manager xfwm. It is what Gnome is to Metacity/Mutter.


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I'm getting into Linux and have learned to play games on it, my next pc that i'm building will be a linux pc for modern games because windows 10/11 sounds awful. I'll still keep my windows 7 pc for everything else.


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Idk think this is that bad of a spoiler, but don't click on the video if you haven't read jojo part 7

Are you going to play that games through linux or're you going to do gpu passthrough?

How's pure arch treating you? Manjaro's been weird with my lately so I was wondering if I should switch to it.

The website on the first image cries about adblock 100%

(Too lazy to click on all those message). Cool desktops. Much prefer no icons on the desktop since I like to minimize my windows to get a nice view for a quick refresh, but you guys do you.


What's that spectrogram? Is it part of VLC?


It's the panon widget for plasma. https://store.kde.org/p/1326546/


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it ain't much, but it's comfy



from years ago so i dont need to worry about datamining


I have recently come to the conclusion that desktop threads are for pseuds who don't even use their desktops.




what gave it away?


Admit it, how long did it take you to work out how to post a screenshot from Qubes? I love the OS otherwise.


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Sorry I had to check if the password was real.


not long at all. Literally just take the screenshot (super easy to access with dmenu (no rofi i think… some ppl rice tf out of qubes but u have to bundle shit with the ISO, also if u want high quality bg images…)
then 'qvm-copy-to-vm [vmname] ~/Pictures/screenshotname' then the pic is in /home/user/QubesIncoming/dom0/ and you can use it

it takes seconds
what's harder is getting the background, because you have to open the picture in a viewer, and and then screenshot it, to get it into dom0


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>Are you going to play that games through linux or're you going to do gpu passthrough?
So i built the new PC and installed Mint and then downloaded some games and none of them work, wine didn't work or wineGE, it worked on my laptop fine but not on my Desktop, i don't know what happened, so i installed Windows 10 Ameliorated edition and then the games worked. I tried to use linux but it didn't work for me.


another rube that fell for the mint meme instead of just installing a normal vanilla distro


Linux Mint sucks for gaming. You should've unironically gone for Arch or something like Pop.


Honest question: Why do you guys use tiling window managers? You have to change windows to different tags/workspaces constantly which will end up causing rsi right? A lot of programmers have this issue.

Are there tiling window managers where you have to click less keybinds to use? I've only tried dwm and i3 and on both of them, I've had to constantly change windows from one tag to another.


tiling WMs are a meme, mostly propagated by /g/ and reddit. They have no ergonomic or efficiency benefits.


I don't use tiling WMs but I make heavy use of multiple workspaces and I don't really see how it would lead to RSI. I never heard anyone complain about this either.


instead of clicking and dragging, shit's just where it goes by default
move shit around quickly and easily
move from one windows to another with keyboard or mouse
instead of searching for like 5 pixel spot to click to resize, its a keybind
10 workspaces to put shit, extremely easy navigation
easy af to quit out of everything. Tbh this is the biggest thing. Not being able to super-shift-q windows, i realize how much random shit won't let you easily close it.

Also u can put shit in the unseen realm with super-shift-minus by default i think (idk, maybe u gotta set it urself idr). That shit's nice. Keep pavu a click away. Faster and nicer than gui. All clean. No moving windows around to try to get smth in the back.

Also no big borders around everything, looking like shit, taking up space. Not trying to say click based DEs are unusable or anything, but mouse is just slow, its just a subjective mental kind of thing but when you can do stuff faster it just makes everything less painful.




What about alt-tab + default maximize keybinds in des. Every de has some key combination to close, maximize/minimize and change workspaces too.


As the windows occupy the whole screen in tiling window managers, one has to constantly move windows to other workspaces to make it usable. You can't use a program properly unless it occupies at least half the screen. This isn't an issue in normal WMs.


anything remotely useful in the post can also be done under floating wms, and more efficiently at that. It's a cope post and nothing more.


can someone convince me to install dwm or why suckless stuff in general is good


I just like my WM being fast and tiling. I think most tiling WMs are small, not just suckless'.


The same can be said about tiling WMs. The only difference is the default state. Fucking /g/tards and their football teams, man.


it isn't


just try it out and decide for yourself?


Their software is light on storage, memory and processing power. It generally has a clean, portable and trivial to compile codebase, with dwm in particular spawning many patches.
Floating/stacking wms mirror a physical "desktop", where the user places windows on top of each other, leaving each at a fixed, memorable location. In contrast the regular and often dynamic window placement on tiling desktops makes them less memorable.
IMO tiling works best when you actually need to see things side by side and unrelated views are managed by another mechanism (think emacs buffers).
Icons could support a more efficient workflow, if they were able to cope with many windows of the same program. (I usually leave >10 terminals with a shell open).


No. They are not the same. Tiling WM are objectively less efficient, less ergonomic, and just plain ugly.
Previous posters have already commented about how keybindings in Tiling WMs are overly complex and unnatural. This is made worse by the fact that you have to constantly fiddle with the windows to make them usable. You can remap things, but in order to avoid clashes, you are forced to rely to awkward combos with the super key.
Windows are meant to take the shape of their contents, not that of the available space on the screen. Tiling WMs are downright Procrustean with respect to how they treat windows and even dialog boxes. The result is ugly.
Yes, you can float/resize windows in tiling WMs but it's rarely implemented well. Even simple things like move/resize in made worse. Dragging them by the title bar is better than using Super+drag, since you're using the mouse anyway.
Speaking of, mouse use isn't always slow. Modern innovations like context-sensitive drag and drop, gestures, etc can be really efficient when used well. Same with gamer mice with multiple buttons that you can repurpose for things like cut/copy/paste, switch app, etc.
I don't buy the space-saving argument when the typical tiling WM user wastes >20 pixels on window spacing just for the sake of earning upvotes at r/unixporn. And not everything has to be visible at the same time.
If you want a "cyberpunk" aesthetic, go with a TWM. But if you want to grow up and get work done, use a standard DE or (better yet) buy a Mac.


stopped reading there
go back to /g/ already


now that we got some dork riled up over wms we need to have a shitstorm over mechanical keyboards next


I don't use /g/. Everything /g/ encourages is stupid. Like it or not, certain things are objective.


Tiling WMs can always give you floating windows. That's how Tor Browser works in tiling WMs, since the browser needs to be the same size as all the other Tor browsers.


>Speaking of, mouse use isn't always slow.
The mouse is objectively faster for selection and resizing. This is what rio, the plan9 wm, is designed around >>10458. For some people, especially those with RSI, the mouse is a pain to use though.
Floating WMs (with the exception of calmwm and some guys sxhkd/xdotool setup) don't have efficient keybindings. This is where dynamic tiling with liberal use of virtual desktops has an edge.


> The mouse is objectively faster for selection
I'd like to propose emacs with avy as a serious contender: https://karthinks.com/software/avy-can-do-anything/


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Rob Pike refers to https://www.asktog.com/TOI/toi06KeyboardVMouse1.html
Typical acme navigation as shown in vidrel consists of following a link to a location in a file, searching within a file (both with right-click selection) and searching in a directory (with a mouse chord if the command is set up). It operates on a different level than text search in an emacs buffer, because grep lists all locations of a pattern and searches are rarely typed.
That said I abandoned acme for programming because of the pain.


>Mac mini
The absolute state of communists


Under communism, everyone will have a Mac so that the people don't have to suffer the Janky UIs of lesser systems.


First you will need to solve resource scarcity or dodge & work around cia sanctions and embargos.



>Under communism, everyone will have a Mac
what speaks against this is that macs are hard to upgrade and a pain to repair and not everybody likes macs.
>people don't have to suffer the Janky UIs of lesser systems
The macos ui isn't that great to begin with and it's better to go the Linux way and let people have what ever UI they want.


>The macos ui isn't that great to begin with
better than any Linux UI you can point to
>let people have what ever UI they want.
A thousand flavors of shit is… still shit


I'm having fun trying to figure out which photos are shia lebouf and which are alan resnick


Isn't GNOME basically MacOS-esque GUI for GNU/Linux
I'm probably getting a MacBook Pro when I can afford it though


>Isn't GNOME basically MacOS-esque GUI for GNU/Linux
The Linux Desktop environment that is the most comparable to MAC is Pantheon from elementaryOS


dead links





>Modern innovations
>But if you want to grow up and get work done
I don't even like tiling WMs that much but man this is some pure unadulterated ideology. Who are you even trying to appeal to, middle managers?


this bullshit post is unadulterated ideology, as is your insistence that anyone who doesn't like the Unix way of doing things is "a middle manager"


You're delirious


you're charmingly bad at the insults game


No, I literally can't get how else you would misinterpret my post so badly


How is sharing some fairly well-known criticism of tiling WMs ideological? How is wanting a functional desktop only of interest to middle managers? You were just concern trolling



back to twitter


god the mlp on windows 7 took 10 years off my life. I can truly taste 2012 in that image


Did you try turning steam play on? It's what allows you to use valves compatibility layer.
There's also some tutorials you could look up with dealing with wine and programs to keep track of the specific wine setups.
Honestly, the best thing you should've done is look up an introduction on linux gaming since figuring out everything on your own is cryptic.

What a dumb comment. What would you consider a "normal" "vanilla" (wtf does that mean) distro?

Why? What problems does it uniquely bring compared to others?


>What a dumb comment. What would you consider a "normal" "vanilla" (wtf does that mean) distro?
its a shitpost


>What a dumb comment. What would you consider a "normal" "vanilla" (wtf does that mean) distro?
one that doesn’t drastically configure a DE for you


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not much to say. it just works ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


ok dude go install linux without xorg


Is there a single DE that has the kde plasma activities features?
It's literally one of the best features ever created and makes me deeply love kde plasma.


Typing is hard :'(
Would it be easier for you if there was an OS installer that was just wojaks for you to click


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still waiting for the gnome-vrr 44 release before i can upgrade to fedora 38 :(


How's kde on fedora?
I don't like gnome, and I was think of hopping from mint to either fedora or opensuse.
People recommend opensuse if you want kde, but they also recommend fedora if you use a laptop so idk


What do you think about KDE Neon?


Never used it.
It seems okay, just uncertain with the bleeding edge approach (well, for the de that is)


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I thought active development was the main appeal of Plasma. Personally i would recommend something more stable like fvwm , cwm, windowmaker, or cde as a desktop.


If they have the activities system kde has I'd consider, otherwise I have no interest


fvwm has virtual desktops, but not the full sandboxing that KDE Activities seems to provide


The closest analogue to activities i know of are cwm groups. In cwm they replace virtual desktops though:
By default windows spawn in the group 1. Windows may be moved to other groups based on the numbers 0-9. Any group besides group 0 can be toggled and there are settings to automatically assign new windows to the last toggled group or a specific group based on their name. Most cwm keybindings are keyboard-focused, so you might need to adjust key/mouse-bindings. It accomodates other desktop ui programs well with group 0 and an option to restrict the area where windows spawn. It requires you to edit a text configuration file, that is fairly self-explanatory.

tl;dr If you have 9 or less KDE activities without virtual desktops or KDE widgets, cwm might be for you.

You might also want a standalone session manager. It sounds like it does exactly what activities do, but i'm unsure having never used one.
The KDE wiki has no indication that activities do sandboxing. An open forum thread from 2019 has a brief discussion on integrating applications sandboxing into Plasma and an r/kde comment section from 2021 recommends bubblewrap or firejail.
I made separate user accounts for my browsers and share files in /tmp.


Does OpenSUSE package codecs in their repositories? Fedora doesn't and you need to add RPM Fusion to get them.

I think Kubuntu would be more stable but still easy to use. If you don't mind reading the wiki, you could also try Void Linux.


no time for love


Hi, this is me: >>19614
I have been trying out opensuse for a week now.

It's alright.
The performance of it is weirdly janky sometimes, but I am using btrfs for the first time.
My favorite part is the dedication of doing everything with a gui.

I originally used linux mint, but I switched since of crashes and bluetooth issues – but now in setting up this install, I realized the issue for both could've been low swap space (which linux mint made 2gb when I use 16gb of ram), and tlp being responsible for the bluetoother fuckery respectifully.

I was originally going to install Fedora, but the installation deeply pissed me off since I was trying to set it up so /home/ was a seperate partition, and Fedora was either refusing to cooperate, or is insanely un-intuitive.
Maybe I'll try it again down the line, or maybe >>19615 .
My philosphy of what distro I want to use (at the moment) is I want something that I can recommend to anyone.

>Does OpenSUSE package codecs in their repositories
I had to install them here: https://opensuse-community.org/
I think it's a legality issue, similar to how the people who maintain the linux kernel don't like zfs since of the legality ambiguity.

Installing stuff outside the repository is very easy.
It's like windows, just download the fle, and click on it so the OS installs it.
Where you get it from comes from the website, so it's not dangerous as compared to windows.
(I'd still prefer if they just auto-put it in the repo).


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