No.6409
Standard mac-themed KDE; the rice life is not for me anymore
>>6402You can hide the network name and only display the icon, as well as hiding the date from your clock.
No.6412
>>6403are you reading a screenshot of a web page?
I know that is more bandwith efficient with soydev sites, but not marxists.org
chinaChina No.6417
my shit, don't really ow how to customize Xubuntu that much, but I really like what
>>6413 has going on.
No.6418
>>6413and they say linux isn't for gaming
but you do have protective measures like firejail for those proprietary binaries right? No.6419
>>6413Do you still have to use launchers and shit like steam for those games? Or at least buy them through a launcher?
No.6420
>>6419Yeah unfortunately I still have to use steam.
No.6421
>>6420Yeah, shit kinda difficult on Linux having to deal with 1000 different distros to release shit on I guess, you can’t just put shit in a repo.
No.6422
>>6412No, it is tor browser, which I don't tile for obvious reasons. I moved it to the right hand side to show my themes clearly.
slavojSlavoj No.6423
>>6413Based Debian and theme. Cringe gamer moment
>>6414A bit boring but nice wallpaper and colours.
>>6417How do you want to customize it?
slavojSlavoj No.6425
>>6423Idk, I kinda like the window theme that the Debian guy has, aswell as the font.
No.6429
>>6424Fucking awesome. Why Acme?
>>6428I basically treat my desktop as a desk or workspace. I don't want shit everywhere cluttering it up. The most important applications I have open with a keybind, and that can be done with all the applications you have there, and it's a lot faster than clicking (not to mention I can do it anywhere without having to first, clear my workspace, and then find it on my desktop). In terms of folders, how often do you find yourself opening that firefox folder, or supertuxkart folder? Everything I need to edit I can quickly find in emacs, or if I need a good terminal Ranger, if I need to do some weird stuff I can open the file browser, but it's just not a regular enough occurrence to warrant it permanently cluttering my desktop. This is my rationale anyways.
slavojSlavoj No.6430
>>6429>I basically treat my desktop as a desk or workspace.So you say, but what does this actually mean? If you don't put anything on it, then you're not actually using it at all. Might as well stick to a file manager and window manager and eliminate any bloat. The purpose of a desktop is to access files quickly. If you're not using all sorts of shortcuts, symlinks, .desktop files, etc., then you might as well remove it.
>how often do you find yourself opening that firefox folder, or supertuxkart folderI admit to being a little disorganized at the moment, those are both temporary folders for compiling.
No.6436
>>6430Well I put whatever I'm working on on it (applications) and sometimes paper (files on the desktop) however I clean all this up daily so it isn't cluttered with stuff I don't need. I don't really care about the bloat meme, here I'm gonna use emacs regardless so may as well use it as much as possible. I would argue desktop links are far more bloat, since they are visual distractions and far less efficient than having a keybind. Like you say sometimes temporary files stay on the desktop or too long, but overall I keep it clean so I only have to look at what's relevant.
>The purpose of a desktop is to access files quickly. Most people have a launcher to search for files, I just type super+space and can then type any file or folder and open it, as opposed to clearing screen -> finding the folder with my eyes -> taking hands off the keyboard to click on it.
slavojSlavoj No.6437
>>6428That looks like shit, though. Really niggas use tiling windows managers to maximize screen space and usage. Part of the benefit is looking dope, too.
No.6438
>>6428I like because it looks pretty :)
anarchismAnarchism No.6439
>>6437I have enough tiling shortcuts in my window manager to be useful, I don't understand the hype behind dedicated tilers.
No.6440
>>6437>That looks like shit, though.I didn't realize a work environment was for impressing onlookers.
No.6441
I’ve been using Gentoo for about 3 years now and I’m getting tired of always dealing with dependency conflicts every single update. I want to switch systems to something more reliable but I don’t want to lose too many of the features portage offers. I hear portage is based on BSD, should I just take the BSDpill?
ps I’m not going to switch to Arch, so don’t say it.
No.6443
>>6442I have that on my Mac mini and it’s pretty nice, but installing packages from source using their “templates” seems like an annoyingly manual process that Gentoo simply doesn’t suffer from. plus it doesn’t really seem like there’s much of a community around making user-made templates to any scale similar to Portage’s “overlay” community.
No.6445
>>6424>>6429Acme really has a lot of potential, though I mostly use it with troff (>troff|page) at the moment.
I actually plumb webpages into a series of scripts (see the tarball; it said unknown file extension, so please remove the .txt) with lynx -dump and some text massaging (mostly removing unnecessary breaks hence 'br').
It also fetches non html files and plumbs them again.
Unfortunately lynx handles links poorly, they are given a reference number (that the content obviously interferes with) and all the lynx at the bottom, so fixing this will either need a dedicated filter script or acme program.
At the moment I am working on a simple zettelkasten system, that either opens a matching filepath in the $ZTLDIR, or an acme style listing of a matching directory path at button 3 and allows you to edit or create any hierarchy on button 2.
No.6452
>>6441It is my understanding that functional package managers like Nix and Guix allow for declaratively customizing packages via compilation options. This system is not as powerful as Gentoo's USE flags, but it does offer enough that any Gentoo user would be interested. Nix and Guix also make it a lot easier for you to install binaries along with source compiled packages, since you don't have to rely on binhosts and such. I think the main advantage for you here would be the way these systems handle dependencies, allowing for rollbacks and whatnot. Might be what you're looking for.
Read these if you're interested, they talk about Gentoo a bit:
https://ambrevar.xyz/guix-advance/index.htmlhttps://ambrevar.xyz/guix-packaging/index.htmlgentooGentoo No.6453
>>6452Shame the Guix project leads stabbed Stallman in the back. I have no expectation for future stability when people like that are in charge.
No.6460
>>6452thanks a lot, I’ll check it out
No.6461
>>6453you have any further info on that?
No.6504
>>6452Both look really cool. I'm hesitant to give Nix a go since it just looks like the necesseray shit before something great like Guix can come along
>>6453>for reasons of finding few jokes offensive>Le all my actions are excusable because they were just jokes memeStallman fucked up, if he put more effort into making sure the movement thrives after he inevitably leaves than he did writing edgy 'jokes' we wouldn't be having this discussion
Kek this dude actually quotes /g/ posts on this
>Trannies: Making autistic people kill themselves. I never had a problem with them before, but now I do. No.6506
>>6504>I'm hesitant to give Nix a go since it just looks like the necesseray shit before something great like Guix can come alongHonestly, the only issue with Nix is the language, which is subpar at best. It's not bad, but well… it's not a Lisp either. Give it a try. Nix is currently at a much higher stage of development than Guix, and has a lot more packages in its repository. There's also a few features like nix flakes which I don't think Guix has.
>>6505Few suggestions: declutter that panel/status bar. Also go into the Cinnamon desktop settings and change the alignment a bit so that desktop icons aren't hidden behind the bar.
No.6510
>>6505why aren’t you using red star OS?
No.6522
>>6510That shit looks old.
No.8293
>>6945Based, but
>MintI do like the rice though.
>>8145>Font>Void Basado
>Dracula coloursCringo
>>8288>Gnome>Transparent on writing Needs some jouissance, a little spark
>PopOSI know nothing about this, is it good?
slavojSlavoj No.8294
>>8288some chinese guy already defeated rust's fastest web framework, actix-web, with c++
https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/https://github.com/an-tao/drogonalso you misspelled receiver and persistence
No.8302
>>6414>FedoraIt’s a good distro I’d recommend to anyone starting out with Linux if they want something stable and secure.
>CommunardsBased
No.8336
>Tfw the old thread is getting bumped above this one
No.8478
OP back here. Updated to GNOME 40 and took the light theme pill. Took me some time to get used to both, but I'm happy with the results. GNOME 40 looks and feels pretty nice, and the light theme feels good for reading during the day. The white terminal background was super weird at first but I like it now. I also made some changes to my Emacs config to make it match the whole stup: enabled some GTK elements (menu and scroll bars) and a light theme. Feels comf.
>>8288I would suggest removing some of that transparency from Emacs for the sake of readability. Unfortunately Emacs can't enable transparency for the background only, so all text suffers from having it enabled. I can't use anything below 93% alpha myself.
gentooGentoo No.9076
>>6402How do I get colored borders around my windows like that? I'm on i3-gaps.
spurdoSpurdo No.9078
here's an example
(maybe dont copy this, i added spacing for cleanness here)
# window/border colors
# class border backgr. text indicator child_border
client.unfocused #572F43 #572F43 #5b3256 #572F43 #572F43
client.focused #4C4C8C #4C4C8C #5b3256 #4C4C8C #4C4C8C
client.focused_inactive #302128 #302128 #e6e6fa #302128 #302128
No.9079
oh and you need to fuck with border width, but it's pretty obvious in the github documentation for gaps iirc
>>9076 No.9085
>>9079This actually helped alot! My set up is looking pretty dope, haha.
My only other question is: What would you recommend to fancy up my status bar? Right now I just have it removed, but, I wouldn't mind it if I could figure out how to make it look appealing.
No.9088
i'm always jealous of how linux users have more interesting desktop than windows
No.9094
>>9088Then install linux. What's holding you back?
No.9097
>>9085i3bar is pretty limited. I use Polybar which is fairly easy to rice. See
>>6402 No.9100
>>9094Can't afford devices to backup important documents.
No.9190
>>9189I want that anime to sook me
No.9193
>>9189Post background
Also post config, cause, suckless confuses the shit out of me.
No.9197
>>9196Learn C if you want to make your own stuff but the patches already provided by other users should be plenty enough.
No.9200
>>9196I am myself just a dumb ricer who can't program. I patch dwm with
patch -p1 < patch.diff
You can watch some distrotube videos on it I guess. But I prefer to figure things out on my own because I don't want to give those chuds any youtube views (dt and luke smith mainly).
No.9201
>>9200wait that's not what I typed. Wtf? It was patch -p1 < patch.diff
No.9202
>>9199Wow. I'm surprised these literal
neo nazis found enough kindness in their hearts to allow our little soyfingers the privilege having pre-made configs for their WM.
No.9203
>>9202Because of their community I feel like doing something different. Maybe I'll switch to i3 or something. Tabbed layouts feel better when I'm trying to fit more than 3 windows into dwm's layout.
No.9204
>>9203If you're going to switch at least use something that isn't obsolete.
No.9205
>>9204Do you consider i3 obsolete? Why though? I actually think it's a good path forward since I'll be able to switch easily to sway when nvidia implements the fucking gbm backend in their driver or I buy an amd card.
No.9206
>>9205It's so bloated, though.
No.9207
>>9206Bloat is a meme for the most part. Would it really kill you if dwm takes up, say, 1 mb of ram and i3 takes up 5? Especially when your fucking browser is probably taking up 5 gigs.
No.9208
>>9207>Especially when your fucking browser is probably taking up 5 gigs.You just explained why bloat matters, it's not like you're running a single program at a time.
No.9209
>>9208well, no. If I remove the browser out of the picture then my whole OS would be consuming way less than 1 gb. With the browser it's often 10gb out of 16. I can't remove the browser and trying to save ram in that initial 1 gb is kind of pointless.
No.9210
>>9209Yeah but what OS are you running? 800mb is still a lot.
It's also worth noting that as the energy you spend on processioning increases the life span of your machine decreases.
My gentoo machine doesn't even break 100mb at idle and this is with i3 and a lot of unnecessary bloat. Also, what fucking browser are you using? Jesus christ.
No.9213
>>9209wtf my setup is almost always at 1000-1200mb with firefox opened
No.9215
>>9213>>9210I open like 100 tabs, firefox easily eats over 5-6 and more gigs like that. Also emacs eats like 600 megs or something when it has a lot of buffers opened (and all emacs extensions are better than their cli counterparts).
No.9216
>>9215Why in gods name would you open so many tabs? Just close the tabs when you are done with them, kek. I use firefox too, but, I have configured mine to be as slim as possible using userChrome.css and various other standards.
>EmacsAnother mistake
No.9217
>>9216Well i'm not done with them. That's why they aren't closed.
>Another mistakeNah, after years of using mostly cli shit, I've realized that emacs' stuff was way better.
notmuch > mutt
elfeed > newsboat
proced > htop
vterm > terminal + tmux
And org-mode is god tier, I use it all the time to catalog my stuff.
No.9224
>>9215>>9217There's this thing called a bookmark.
No.9665
>>9658>TempleOSWhat can you really use it for apart from Terry's games?
No.9678
OP what is the RSS feed reader you've got going in the third screenshot?
No.9680
>>9665realistic elephants
anarcho-nihilismAnarcho-Nihilism No.9866
>>9665Pleasant to work in with 16 color. Not 16,777,216 colors.
gentooGentoo No.9868
How do onget temple OS working on a vm? Curious.
No.10126
>>10124What language is that? Go?
No.10127
>>10126>>10124I'm an idiot. It's rust.
No.10128
>>10127haha nah you're not an idiot
Rust isn't the easiest to parse language out there.
it's just a simple db-server implementation using the rocket web framework and the diesel ORM library
No.10129
>>10128It says on the bottom lol. I missed it at first glance.
How's rust? It looks like a mix of scala and C++.
No.10130
>>10129it's pretty alright. I like the tooling and the memory model. Much to do with server-side processes. the community is active, but a bit identitarian.
No.10406
I switched from dwm to KDE but is there something that is:
>less bloated than kde
>not as barebones as suckless trash
>stacking, no tiling
>can do semi tiling where you drag the window to the side and it fills half the screen
>future proof (hasn't been abandoned and has a wayland successor in development)
Maybe lxqt? But I think that pure openbox doesn't have semi tiling, Idk if lxqt does.
No.10410
>>10409but those are for hotkeys? I was talking about how in, for example, KDE you can drag the window with a _mouse_ to the right side or to a corner and it would tile it automatically. I've no doubts that you can do it with hotkeys in openbox but I want a mouse experience.
No.10412
>>10411But isn't it becoming more gnomified? CSDs in the settings apps aren't a good sign tbh. And apparently the might even use Mutter to enable wayland support.
No.10413
>>10412No idea what any of that means, I just use it because it is comfy.
No.10458
>>10406>stacking, no tiling>can do semi tiling where you drag the window to the side and it fills half the screenWindow resizing in Rio might be fast and precise enough to be equivalent to tiling (video related but when creating terminals and resizing windows, Rio actually shows the dimensions as a red rectangle, which ffmpeg doesn't record, the windows seem a bit slow because of picom and the text is huge, because I sit >2m apart from my monitor)
>less bloated than kdewhich rio|xargs du -h
280K/usr/local/plan9/bin/rio
% ps aux|egrep '[0-9] /?([^ ]/)*rio'|tr -s ' ' ' '|cut -d ' ' -f 5 # Show virtual memory of Rio in KiB
3828
>not as barebones as suckless trashIt might be too minimal for your liking, though remember, this allows other programs to act fullfill any missing functions (I position audacious, xclock and plan9 stats with xdotool in my xinitrc).
>future proof (hasn't been abandoned and has a wayland successor in development)There is already a clone for Wayland
https://wio-project.org/ No.10462
>>10411great, now I want to fuck my desktop environment..
No.10472
>>10458After fucking around with openbox I've come to a decision that this isn't worth it anymore and I'll just stick to KDE.
No.10476
>>10473Why would I need to have a menu like that when I can just press meta key and quickly enter what I need to launch?
No.10477
>>10476And when you don't know what you need to launch?
No.10479
>>10477Idk, never happened. I've been doing that even back when I used windows 8 and I've been doing that when I ran dwm (or other window managers) for many many months and the only thing I've used to launch stuff was dmenu and never once I've ran into the issue of not knowing what to type in.
No.10497
>>10480I can't really think of anything I would to do in a menu. Definitely not sending emails (I don't even use email for anything outside of website signups)
No.11122
>>11119Why do you use a rolling release? Are you really willing to sacrifice security + stability just to get new features a bit sooner?
No.11125
>>11122That's the reason I switched from Ubuntu, yes. Non-rolling release distros are actually more insecure since unfixed vulnerabilities can be really dangerous, that's why Microsoft is so anal about getting you to install updates all the time.
I also just like the convenience of typing one command to update everything instead of having to reinstall the entire system every new update, plus Arch just has better documentation and support in general than any other distro and it doesn't come severely bloated out of the box.
Oh, and can't also forget about how good pacman + yay is.
No.11126
>>11125Stable and LTS releases both address bugs and vulnerabilities; they just don't add features so soon. They're versions that get tested more before being released (relative to bleeding edge releases) however security is something that updates
are released for.
From what I've seen, the OSs which make you reinstall the whole system are in the minority. I know that's the case for mobile distros like LineageOS, however with the main desktop distros you just download and install, with the most inconvenience being some extra time spent during boot applying the updates. I do agree about the documentation though, I use the wiki despite not using the OS myself, and the lack of bloat is also a bit of a plus but frankly it really doesn't seem it's worth the relative hastiness of package testing. Better reliability and security are way more central than shaving off some bloat and having new features quicker, I'm certain.
No.11515
>>10504very lickable feet
No.11517
>>11515But don't go anywhere near her face unless you like the taste of an ashtray.
No.11536
I would share my desktop but I have a wallpaper of my waifu and I'm a windowsfag so I would get laughed at.
No.11537
>>11536Show us your dual-booted Linux install
No.11539
>>11536Post your wallpaper.
No.11639
>>11637Where are your tabs? The asduo thing?
No.11647
>>11639What tabs? You mean workspaces? super+Asdfuiop keys for switching between workspaces.
No.12549
>>12235>bedrock linuxhighly based
No.12567
>>12520
> Shell: bashdafuq? shouldn't powershell be there? is that some kind of bug?
No.12617
>>12567You can have the bash shell on windows since version 10, it basically installs a barebone tty-ubuntu, and it uses WSL or Windows Subsystem for Linux, under the hood to make it work with the windows nt kernal. Not everything works, but a lot does. Maybe this exists because some level 12 linux wizard was forced to use windows at one point, i don't really know.
No.12632
>>12567It just checks the SHELL environmental variable, if it is not set by PS it will not detect it.
No.12647
>>6428How does one even use their desktop?
t. windows user (get it out of your system now)
No.12648
>>12647>How does one even use their desktop?Well
you can put a picture one it.
you can use it as file manager that lacks 90% of the functionality
you can use it as an unsorted pile of program launch icons
you can put widgets on it, they have very little information and make your computer slow
There was a minetest (opensource minecraft clone) plugin/addon thingy that was trying to make a 3D user interface. It was supposed to mimic the functionality of a terminal but instead of using text commands it used blocks. It was supposed to make it easier to use more complex commands because blocks would allow a better overview.
In addition it was also supposed to replace most of the GUI elements of desktops. For example: you were supposed to be able to teleport into a settings cave and switch around levers and "minecraft art" representations of computer subsystems would visually show the configuration.
That was supposed to run in the background of the desktop, and basically if you put the focus on the desktop it would run a mintest where your wall-paper was going to be. It was ages ago, i don't think it went anywhere. It's also not a new idea, i vaguely remember somebody telling me that there was a doom-2-engine based 3d desktop in the 90s.
All things considered a 3d environment that exploits the 3rd dimension to improve functionality and accessibility for "computer-casuals" would be a nice idea. A lot of system logic could be made intuitive by exploiting the fact that humans are relatively good at spacial reasoning by default. That said I'm pretty sure that nothing will ever replace a text based command-line interface for serious computer users, because computer code will always be text based. The proximity of text based interfaces and programing is the reason for it being the most powerful interface.
No.12650
>>9215I regularly have +-80 tabs open and firefox doesn't use more then 1-2gb of 16gb.
No.12942
>>12941There are no secrets here.
No.12943
>>12940This is a virtual machine… is the picture even yours or did you download it from reddit?
No.12944
>>12943using the terminal within the ChromeOS linux development environment "Crostini"
Linux applications run surprisingly smooth in the CrOS environment.
No.12961
>>12949meh, idk I don't think that I depend on Google for much of anything actually. In some fringe scenario where Google decides to go fullretard on the devmode stuff then life wouldn't change much, or I'd just use CloudReady of Gallium
Ultimately, because of lack of support for certain software I need for my work, I use a desktop for more serious matters…
The chromebook is just nice to use as a web surfing netbook since it's cheap, built around and optimized for browsing, and because it's so lightweight and efficient, I get 13 hours of battery on the thing which is cool. It runs remarkably smooth given its modest specs.
you don't need a phone number to make a google account, and you don't even need to make or use a gmail address, so you can use one without ever having your irl shit associated with it
No.12962
>>6428>It never ceases to amaze me that people think the fact that they don't even use their desktops is somehow impressive.What is the point of the desktop? It'd be better if it was better integrated with the file browser. As it stands it's just a folder with a background.
No.12963
>>12962>As it stands it's just a folder with a background.Yes. Yes it is
Upon logging into your system, you should just be met a full screen'd file explorer which you can't exit out of or minimize… or if you did minimize it, it would just be a background picture… which you can't really interact with by putting files on it…
I don't know, maybe it does make sense
it's just like your literal irl desktop
you plop down your current work that you messing with and it's scattered before you and easy to look at and interact with
No.12965
>>12962>It'd be better if it was better integrated with the file browser.Many desktop environments do exactly that. LXDE for example uses PCManFM as both a file manager and its desktop display.
No.13335
>>13119
If you have an empty pci slot, buy an older radeon card.
You may also consider get one of the newer amd apu, the last gen has 6 and 8 core cpus.
No.13351
is there an actual point to having cpu/ram use on your taskbar if you have lots of it
No.13353
>>13351Sometimes I like to keep an eye on my swap usage so I don't get unexpected surprises.
No.13365
>>13332That pic comfy af god I love old themes
I use icewm I wish there available working oldfag themes for gtk/qt
No.13996
>>6413>>6417>>6428>>9658>>10125>>12447comfy
minimal window managers are pointless. just uninstall x11 at that point
No.13999
>>13996xfce is a minimal window manager retard
No.14004
>>13999No. Xfce is a desktop environment using the window manager xfwm. It is what Gnome is to Metacity/Mutter.
No.15552
Idk think this is that bad of a spoiler, but don't click on the video if you haven't read jojo part 7>>14042Are you going to play that games through linux or're you going to do gpu passthrough?
>>11508>>10504How's pure arch treating you? Manjaro's been weird with my lately so I was wondering if I should switch to it.
>>9101The website on the first image cries about adblock 100%
>>13996(Too lazy to click on all those message). Cool desktops. Much prefer no icons on the desktop since I like to minimize my windows to get a nice view for a quick refresh, but you guys do you.
No.15553
>>15552What's that spectrogram? Is it part of VLC?
No.16008
I have recently come to the conclusion that desktop threads are for pseuds who don't even use their desktops.
No.16016
>>16014
Admit it, how long did it take you to work out how to post a screenshot from Qubes? I love the OS otherwise.
No.16018
>>16016not long at all. Literally just take the screenshot (super easy to access with dmenu (no rofi i think… some ppl rice tf out of qubes but u have to bundle shit with the ISO, also if u want high quality bg images…)
then 'qvm-copy-to-vm [vmname] ~/Pictures/screenshotname' then the pic is in /home/user/QubesIncoming/dom0/ and you can use it
it takes seconds
what's harder is getting the background, because you have to open the picture in a viewer, and and then screenshot it, to get it into dom0
>>16017lol
No.16407
>>16404another rube that fell for the mint meme instead of just installing a normal vanilla distro
No.16408
>>16404Linux Mint sucks for gaming. You should've unironically gone for Arch or something like Pop.
No.16410
Honest question: Why do you guys use tiling window managers? You have to change windows to different tags/workspaces constantly which will end up causing rsi right? A lot of programmers have this issue.
Are there tiling window managers where you have to click less keybinds to use? I've only tried dwm and i3 and on both of them, I've had to constantly change windows from one tag to another.
No.16412
>>16410tiling WMs are a meme, mostly propagated by /g/ and reddit. They have no ergonomic or efficiency benefits.
No.16413
>>16410I don't use tiling WMs but I make heavy use of multiple workspaces and I don't really see how it would lead to RSI. I never heard anyone complain about this either.
No.16417
instead of clicking and dragging, shit's just where it goes by default
move shit around quickly and easily
move from one windows to another with keyboard or mouse
instead of searching for like 5 pixel spot to click to resize, its a keybind
10 workspaces to put shit, extremely easy navigation
easy af to quit out of everything. Tbh this is the biggest thing. Not being able to super-shift-q windows, i realize how much random shit won't let you easily close it.
Also u can put shit in the unseen realm with super-shift-minus by default i think (idk, maybe u gotta set it urself idr). That shit's nice. Keep pavu a click away. Faster and nicer than gui. All clean. No moving windows around to try to get smth in the back.
Also no big borders around everything, looking like shit, taking up space. Not trying to say click based DEs are unusable or anything, but mouse is just slow, its just a subjective mental kind of thing but when you can do stuff faster it just makes everything less painful.
No.16418
>super-shift-q
R-S-I
No.16420
>>16417What about alt-tab + default maximize keybinds in des. Every de has some key combination to close, maximize/minimize and change workspaces too.
No.16421
>>16413As the windows occupy the whole screen in tiling window managers, one has to constantly move windows to other workspaces to make it usable. You can't use a program properly unless it occupies at least half the screen. This isn't an issue in normal WMs.
No.16425
>>16420anything remotely useful in the post can also be done under floating wms, and more efficiently at that. It's a cope post and nothing more.
No.16466
>>16465I just like my WM being fast and tiling. I think most tiling WMs are small, not just suckless'.
No.16467
>>16425The same can be said about tiling WMs. The only difference is the default state. Fucking /g/tards and their football teams, man.
No.16469
>>16465just try it out and decide for yourself?
No.16470
>>16465Their software is light on storage, memory and processing power. It generally has a clean, portable and trivial to compile codebase, with dwm in particular spawning many patches.
>>16467Floating/stacking wms mirror a physical "desktop", where the user places windows on top of each other, leaving each at a fixed, memorable location. In contrast the regular and often dynamic window placement on tiling desktops makes them less memorable.
IMO tiling works best when you actually need to see things side by side and unrelated views are managed by another mechanism (think emacs buffers).
Icons could support a more efficient workflow, if they were able to cope with many windows of the same program. (I usually leave >10 terminals with a shell open).
No.16472
>>16467No. They are not the same. Tiling WM are objectively less efficient, less ergonomic, and just plain ugly.
Previous posters have already commented about how keybindings in Tiling WMs are overly complex and unnatural. This is made worse by the fact that you have to constantly fiddle with the windows to make them usable. You can remap things, but in order to avoid clashes, you are forced to rely to awkward combos with the super key.
Windows are meant to take the shape of their contents, not that of the available space on the screen. Tiling WMs are downright Procrustean with respect to how they treat windows and even dialog boxes. The result is ugly.
Yes, you can float/resize windows in tiling WMs but it's rarely implemented well. Even simple things like move/resize in made worse. Dragging them by the title bar is better than using Super+drag, since you're using the mouse anyway.
Speaking of, mouse use isn't always slow. Modern innovations like context-sensitive drag and drop, gestures, etc can be really efficient when used well. Same with gamer mice with multiple buttons that you can repurpose for things like cut/copy/paste, switch app, etc.
I don't buy the space-saving argument when the typical tiling WM user wastes >20 pixels on window spacing just for the sake of earning upvotes at r/unixporn. And not everything has to be visible at the same time.
If you want a "cyberpunk" aesthetic, go with a TWM. But if you want to grow up and get work done, use a standard DE or (better yet) buy a Mac.
No.16473
>>16472>objectivelystopped reading there
go back to /g/ already
No.16474
now that we got some dork riled up over wms we need to have a shitstorm over mechanical keyboards next
No.16475
>>16473I don't use /g/. Everything /g/ encourages is stupid. Like it or not, certain things are objective.
No.16482
Tiling WMs can always give you floating windows. That's how Tor Browser works in tiling WMs, since the browser needs to be the same size as all the other Tor browsers.
No.16485
>>16472>Speaking of, mouse use isn't always slow.The mouse is objectively faster for selection and resizing. This is what rio, the plan9 wm, is designed around
>>10458. For some people, especially those with RSI, the mouse is a pain to use though.
Floating WMs (with the exception of calmwm and some guys sxhkd/xdotool setup) don't have efficient keybindings. This is where dynamic tiling with liberal use of virtual desktops has an edge.
No.16487
>>16485> The mouse is objectively faster for selectionI'd like to propose emacs with avy as a serious contender:
https://karthinks.com/software/avy-can-do-anything/ No.16488
>>16487Rob Pike refers to
https://www.asktog.com/TOI/toi06KeyboardVMouse1.htmlTypical acme navigation as shown in vidrel consists of following a link to a location in a file, searching within a file (both with right-click selection) and searching in a directory (with a mouse chord if the command is set up). It operates on a different level than text search in an emacs buffer, because grep lists all locations of a pattern and searches are rarely typed.
That said I abandoned acme for programming because of the pain.
No.16520
>>6443>Mac mini>AppleThe absolute state of communists
No.16522
>>16520Under communism, everyone will have a Mac so that the people don't have to suffer the Janky UIs of lesser systems.
No.16524
>>16522First you will need to solve resource scarcity or dodge & work around cia sanctions and embargos.
No.16528
>>16522>Under communism, everyone will have a Macwhat speaks against this is that macs are hard to upgrade and a pain to repair and not everybody likes macs.
>people don't have to suffer the Janky UIs of lesser systemsThe macos ui isn't that great to begin with and it's better to go the Linux way and let people have what ever UI they want.
No.16647
>>16528>The macos ui isn't that great to begin withbetter than any Linux UI you can point to
>let people have what ever UI they want.A thousand flavors of shit is… still shit
No.17538
>>9080I'm having fun trying to figure out which photos are shia lebouf and which are alan resnick
No.17554
>>16522Isn't GNOME basically MacOS-esque GUI for GNU/Linux
I'm probably getting a MacBook Pro when I can afford it though
No.17565
>>17554>Isn't GNOME basically MacOS-esque GUI for GNU/LinuxThe Linux Desktop environment that is the most comparable to MAC is Pantheon from elementaryOS
No.17606
>>16472>objectively >unnatural>Modern innovations >But if you want to grow up and get work doneI don't even like tiling WMs that much but man this is some pure unadulterated ideology. Who are you even trying to appeal to, middle managers?
No.17607
>>17606this bullshit post is unadulterated ideology, as is your insistence that anyone who doesn't like the Unix way of doing things is "a middle manager"
No.17615
>>17614you're charmingly bad at the insults game
No.17616
>>17615No, I literally can't get how else you would misinterpret my post so badly
No.17617
>>17616How is sharing some fairly well-known criticism of tiling WMs ideological? How is wanting a functional desktop only of interest to middle managers? You were just concern trolling
No.17682
>>9101god the mlp on windows 7 took 10 years off my life. I can truly taste 2012 in that image
No.17709
>>16404Did you try turning steam play on? It's what allows you to use valves compatibility layer.
There's also some tutorials you could look up with dealing with wine and programs to keep track of the specific wine setups.
Honestly, the best thing you should've done is look up an introduction on linux gaming since figuring out everything on your own is cryptic.
>>16407What a dumb comment. What would you consider a "normal" "vanilla" (wtf does that mean) distro?
>>16408Why? What problems does it uniquely bring compared to others?
No.17791
>>17709>What a dumb comment. What would you consider a "normal" "vanilla" (wtf does that mean) distro? its a shitpost
No.17797
>>17709>What a dumb comment. What would you consider a "normal" "vanilla" (wtf does that mean) distro? one that doesn’t drastically configure a DE for you
No.18793
>>17797>>16407ok dude go install linux without xorg
No.19568
Is there a single DE that has the kde plasma activities features?
It's literally one of the best features ever created and makes me deeply love kde plasma.
No.19579
>>18793Typing is hard :'(
Would it be easier for you if there was an OS installer that was just wojaks for you to click
No.19614
>>19596>>19605How's kde on fedora?
I don't like gnome, and I was think of hopping from mint to either fedora or opensuse.
People recommend opensuse if you want kde, but they also recommend fedora if you use a laptop so idk
No.19616
>>19615Never used it.
It seems okay, just uncertain with the bleeding edge approach (well, for the de that is)
No.19621
>>19617If they have the activities system kde has I'd consider, otherwise I have no interest
No.19622
>>19621fvwm has virtual desktops, but not the full sandboxing that KDE Activities seems to provide
No.19626
>>19621The closest analogue to activities i know of are cwm groups. In cwm they replace virtual desktops though:
By default windows spawn in the group 1. Windows may be moved to other groups based on the numbers 0-9. Any group besides group 0 can be toggled and there are settings to automatically assign new windows to the last toggled group or a specific group based on their name. Most cwm keybindings are keyboard-focused, so you might need to adjust key/mouse-bindings. It accomodates other desktop ui programs well with group 0 and an option to restrict the area where windows spawn. It requires you to edit a text configuration file, that is fairly self-explanatory.
https://man.openbsd.org/cwmtl;dr If you have 9 or less KDE activities without virtual desktops or KDE widgets, cwm might be for you.
You might also want a standalone session manager. It sounds like it does exactly what activities do, but i'm unsure having never used one.
>>19622The KDE wiki has no indication that activities do sandboxing. An open forum thread from 2019 has a brief discussion on integrating applications sandboxing into Plasma and an r/kde comment section from 2021 recommends bubblewrap or firejail.
I made separate user accounts for my browsers and share files in /tmp.
No.20096
>>19614Does OpenSUSE package codecs in their repositories? Fedora doesn't and you need to add RPM Fusion to get them.
>>19615I think Kubuntu would be more stable but still easy to use. If you don't mind reading the wiki, you could also try Void Linux.
No.20445
no time for love
No.20451
Hi, this is me:
>>19614I have been trying out opensuse for a week now.
It's alright.
The performance of it is weirdly janky sometimes, but I am using btrfs for the first time.
My favorite part is the dedication of doing everything with a gui.
I originally used linux mint, but I switched since of crashes and bluetooth issues – but now in setting up this install, I realized the issue for both could've been low swap space (which linux mint made 2gb when I use 16gb of ram), and tlp being responsible for the bluetoother fuckery respectifully.
I was originally going to install Fedora, but the installation deeply pissed me off since I was trying to set it up so /home/ was a seperate partition, and Fedora was either refusing to cooperate, or is insanely un-intuitive.
Maybe I'll try it again down the line, or maybe
>>19615 .
My philosphy of what distro I want to use (at the moment) is I want something that I can recommend to anyone.
>>20096>Does OpenSUSE package codecs in their repositoriesNo.
I had to install them here:
https://opensuse-community.org/I think it's a legality issue, similar to how the people who maintain the linux kernel don't like zfs since of the legality ambiguity.
Installing stuff outside the repository is very easy.
It's like windows, just download the fle, and click on it so the OS installs it.
Where you get it from comes from the website, so it's not dangerous as compared to windows.
(I'd still prefer if they just auto-put it in the repo).
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