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 No.9055

Youtubers who spike prices of old hardware should jump off a cliff, people out here thinking their shitty thinkpad that their dog pissed on is worth $500

 No.9056

im so fucking mad i didnt buy an x60 before covid hit

 No.9059

>>9055
the market speaks
if people wanna pay a premium for more privacy compatible hardware, then so be itanarcho-capitalismAnarcho-Capitalism

 No.9060

>>9059
found the guy trying to sell thinkpads to OP for $500

 No.9061

>>9056
>x60
Great form factor but it is severely underpowered

>>9059
You implicitly acknowledge that markets do not operate according to human need.socialismSocialism

 No.9067

>>9059
Fuck your markets

 No.9068

I mean, it is kinda worth it considering that every processor made after 2008 has a backdoor built into it.

 No.9069

>>9068
2006 for intel actually

 No.9070

>>9068
2012 for AMD actually.

 No.9084

>>9068
There's lots of cheap hardware from that vintage that's not a thinkpad. I don't get the x60 hype. The only reason you might want a thinkpad is if the OS is hardware specific, like >>/tech/res/8691.html

 No.9099

>>9068
I hate it

 No.9221

>>9099
You will pay 400$ + tax +tip for a 15 year old laptop with a broken screen and no keyboard and you WILL like it.

 No.9222

out of the loop here, what do youtubers have to do with hardware prices?

 No.9446

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 No.9469

>>9222
Telling people to rush out and buy old Thinkpads, so the second hand market for Thinkpads has soared.

 No.9470

>>9469
I mean it is the only system compatible with libreboot outside of a small margin of other choices.

 No.9513

>>9446
looks like buying old thinkpads, flashing libreboot and installing linux-libre might be a decent way to make money and expand my botnet by preloading them with backdoors

 No.9539

>>9513
So how the fuck do you flash the bios then? I hear ypu have to connect hardware by pin to do it.

 No.9548

>>9539
I work with electronics fam. but it's also not necessary for all machines, only if you brick the BIOS or the CPU is somehow prevented from writing to it. libreboot.org has the deets on this

 No.9557

>>9548
Well I just mention it because you raise an interesting point that you can only trust YOURSELF to do shit like this with your machines no one else.

 No.9564

Are you that same retroomer who is always sperging out on /g/

 No.9695

>>9513
Isn't it super easy to flash them again after they have been flashed once with libreboot?

 No.9807

>>9695
this depends on the machine. again, check libreboot.org

 No.9879

Thinkpads are so popular now I'm actually scared of buying one now. With my shitty luck I'd get one that's been tampered with.

 No.12702

why don’t manufacturers make good laptops like these anymore ;(

 No.12704

>>9069
Intel managment engine doesnt run if you remove the ram from the first slot because according to someone from Intel it needs that and they tried to encourage people to be sure to have ram in the first slot. It's because it only has access to that ram.

 No.12705

>>12704
Bullshit unless I see proof besides from Intel "themselves" (?), are you able to substantiate these claims at all?

 No.12707

>>12705
It wasn't a message from Intel it was some guy that works for intel proudly talking about the managment engine. You probably could test it by using a thermal camera to see if the little CPU core dedicated to it warms up or not.

 No.12708

>>12704
>according to someone from Intel
[citation needed]

 No.12709

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>>12707
>some guy that works for intel

 No.12711

>>9513
>>9695
What are you trying to accomplish by flashing libreboot?

 No.12713

>>12711
make money off of n00bs who were told by a youtube lolbertarian it would save them from globohomo

 No.12714

>>9059
> more privacy compatible hardware
How does older hardware increase privacy?

 No.12715

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>>12714
>How does older hardware increase privacy?

Older hardware has either no backdoors, less sophisticated ones or defeated ones, however it has more unpached security holes. Newer hardware has fewer unpached security holes, but more sophisticated backdoors. Weather there is a difference between a security hole and a backdoor is questionable.

Backdoor access tools are very likely going to get out in the wild. And it's likely going to be the tools that work for commonly used computers, so with older hardware you might get lucky and you won't be affected, because there's no more interests in building exploits for hacking old potatoes.

There are people trying to build completely opensource hardware, those could be potentially better candidates than computer oldies. Although they could also have been pwned in other ways, because their focus isn't making extra secure devices , they are looking for completely free devices that allow people to play around with firmware.

Some security experts are speculating that backdoors could be inserted into chip-design-templates right before they are use by the lithographer that "prints" the chip wavers. Others think that interceptor-backdoor-chiplets could be added into dataline-pathways when chips are encased into processor component packaging. There are known examples of tiny barely visible chips having been added to pcbs, that got caught when somebody tested for anomalous latency in pcb-traces.

There are some people thinking about ways for creating zero-trust hardware that is software verifiable. That involves increasing the complexity of error correction to ensure chips can compensate for malicious hardware inserts that cause errors, and use randomized and encrypted logic circuits, that make it impractical to access system components by backdoor. A lot of thoughts are also going into hardening against unorthodox attack vectors like scanning for rogue radio, optical and ultrasounds, signal emissions, making buffered power-supplies that eliminate electricity draw patterns that could be used to make guesses about what the processer is doing and so on.

At the moment this is stuff that only paranoid and high security systems people are interested in, but in plus minus 10 years this might be necessary for everybody, especially if cyberwarfare increases.
Also the legal frameworks will change, computers that are very close to your body will be considered part of your body. Definitely body implants like pacemakers and various sensors your wear on your person are going to be classified as biology equivalent, and unauthorized access will be equaled with physical assault. Smartphones and laptops will probably count as either part of your brain (which legally has perfect privacy protections) or part of your household (very strict privacy protections). Probably at first it will count as part of your household and overtime once people start using machine-learning functionality on a personal level and maybe even start offloading some decision making to that. Personal computing will become legally equivalent to a human brain. This change in legal definitions is going to happen because bad computer security undermines legal liabilities. You can't really blame anybody for anything because you can't prove who did what. I'm adding a caveat to this prediction, it might go in the opposite direction and legal systems will go away entirely, because people stop being legal subjects and just become users.

 No.12716

I wonder what you fags do on it comp that makes you so paranoid lol

 No.12717

>>12716
I browse /leftypol/, it's serious business.

 No.12718

>>12716
We want secure un-hackable computers for the same reason you want a calculator that makes error-free calculations.
We want predictable machines.

 No.12720

>>12715

>Older hardware has either no backdoors


That's not how it works, you don't get to decide that older hardware, or any kind of hardware, has no backdoors, unless:

1- You have ALL the schematics of that hardware

2- it was BUILT BY YOU, UNDER YOUR SUPERVISION ( schematics aren't enough, your hardware can still be backdoored or tampered in the factory )

If not, then your hardware has a chance of having backdoors, doesn't matter old or new

> unpached security holes


Correct, but I don’t think you realise that you’re actually more safe with newer “backdoored” hardware, since now anyone can attack and defeat the entire security of your system from security holes that cannot be patched, example being old and vulnerable firmware, including your outdated CPU microcode and BIOS firmware because the OEM or intel don’t bother issuing newer versions anymore

> because there's no more interests in building exploits for hacking old potatoes.


No there’s actually a lot more, its a lot easier to hack a vulnerable system that cannot be patched, refer to my last point

> There are people trying to build completely opensource hardware


Doesn’t matter unless you build it yourself, refer to my first point

> Some security experts are speculating that backdoors could be inserted into chip-design-templates right before they are use by the lithographer that "prints" the chip wavers. Others think that interceptor-backdoor-chiplets could be added into dataline-pathways when chips are encased into processor component packaging. There are known examples of tiny barely visible chips having been added to pcbs, that got caught when somebody tested for anomalous latency in pcb-traces.


Add “can be backdoored in the design or prototyping phase” to my first point

*deleted my last post since I mentioned you twice*

 No.12722

>>12716

I don't want the NSA knowing my porn catagories

 No.12723

>>12716
>T. pseud whose political horizon is joining a socdem party

 No.13119

cant even get a librebootable thinkpad for a good price anymore

feelsbadman

 No.13329

me_cleaner is all you need so feel free to get a t440p or a t430 instead of something older and more expensive like the x200

 No.13331

>>13119
On ebay or other large platforms no, but check your local craiglist or second hand stores. You should be able to find something, I see T60 for less than 100€ all the time where I live.

 No.13333

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>blocks your meme path

 No.13337

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They don't make them like they used to.

 No.13376

>>13337
Gimmicky. My wrists hurts / arms ache from looking at this gif.

 No.13383

>>13376
That keyboard worked like any other thinkpad keyboard at the time really.

 No.13388


 No.13392

>>13388
>What is ergonomics
"Based" mindless consumerist drone

 No.13395

>>13392
just type in the air

 No.13406

>>13337
This with mechanical keys is my dream.

 No.13445

>>13406
Is the feeling of typing on the classic thinkpad keyboard really that much better than the chiclet one? I could swap them on the one I have but I don't know if it's worth the effort.

 No.13447

>>13445
Afaik people do the keyboard swap because the old one is 7-row and a layout more similar to a regular TKL, not because of how it feels to type on it

 No.13449

>>13445
keys with lighter pressure are more ergonomic

 No.13466

>>13447
Good luck finding an original Chicony or NMB 7-row keyboard these days.

 No.13475

>>13466
Between an original chiclet and a classic keyboard imitation bought off aliexpress, which should I choose?

 No.13717

https://osboot.org/
fork of libreboot that doesn't have the zero-blob libre dogma

 No.13718

>>13717
>that doesn't have the zero-blob libre dogma
so they remade coreboot?

 No.13719

>>13718
no, it still has the whole self-building thing

 No.13726

>>9055
Billy Herrington is now burning in hell because he did porn. Bye-ee!

 No.13728

>>13726
We're all going there, anyway.

 No.13729

>>13728
Yes, but I'm going there to rule.

 No.13742

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>>12704
>According to someone from Intel

 No.13744

>>13742
cringe

 No.13749

this dude has a blogpost about how swearing makes your brain more animal/reptilian but still uses channerspeak and plasters wojak and pepe memes everywhere

 No.13761


 No.13768

>>13761
luke smith

 No.13846

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Yeah thinkpads are cool and all but what about Toshiba Librettos?

 No.13847

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>>13846
At that point (and price point) just get a hackable smartphone that you can install gnu+linux on and a physical keyboard you can plug into it.

 No.13849

>>13847
laptops already give me enough of a neck strain

 No.13877

>>13742
retard spotted

 No.13895

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"youtuber" faggot should stop making videos about old hardware

 No.14022

>>13847
>just get a hackable smartphone that you can install gnu+linux on
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as gnu+linux, is in fact, bionic+linux (android) or musl+linux (postmarkeros). There is no gnu.

 No.14029

>>14022
that phone is running arch, so it is gnu+linux

 No.14030

>>14029
could be running busybox instead though


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