im so fucking mad i didnt buy an x60 before covid hit
the market speaks
if people wanna pay a premium for more privacy compatible hardware, then so be itanarcho-capitalismAnarcho-Capitalism
found the guy trying to sell thinkpads to OP for $500
Great form factor but it is severely underpowered >>9059
You implicitly acknowledge that markets do not operate according to human need.socialismSocialism
I mean, it is kinda worth it considering that every processor made after 2008 has a backdoor built into it.
2006 for intel actually
2012 for AMD actually.
There's lots of cheap hardware from that vintage that's not a thinkpad. I don't get the x60 hype. The only reason you might want a thinkpad is if the OS is hardware specific, like >>/tech/res/8691.html
You will pay 400$ + tax +tip for a 15 year old laptop with a broken screen and no keyboard and you WILL like it.
out of the loop here, what do youtubers have to do with hardware prices?
Telling people to rush out and buy old Thinkpads, so the second hand market for Thinkpads has soared.
I mean it is the only system compatible with libreboot outside of a small margin of other choices.
looks like buying old thinkpads, flashing libreboot and installing linux-libre might be a decent way to make money and expand my botnet by preloading them with backdoors
So how the fuck do you flash the bios then? I hear ypu have to connect hardware by pin to do it.
I work with electronics fam. but it's also not necessary for all machines, only if you brick the BIOS or the CPU is somehow prevented from writing to it. libreboot.org has the deets on this
Well I just mention it because you raise an interesting point that you can only trust YOURSELF to do shit like this with your machines no one else.
Are you that same retroomer who is always sperging out on /g/
Isn't it super easy to flash them again after they have been flashed once with libreboot?
this depends on the machine. again, check libreboot.org
Thinkpads are so popular now I'm actually scared of buying one now. With my shitty luck I'd get one that's been tampered with.
why don’t manufacturers make good laptops like these anymore ;(
Intel managment engine doesnt run if you remove the ram from the first slot because according to someone from Intel it needs that and they tried to encourage people to be sure to have ram in the first slot. It's because it only has access to that ram.
Bullshit unless I see proof besides from Intel "themselves" (?), are you able to substantiate these claims at all?
It wasn't a message from Intel it was some guy that works for intel proudly talking about the managment engine. You probably could test it by using a thermal camera to see if the little CPU core dedicated to it warms up or not.
>>12704>according to someone from Intel
What are you trying to accomplish by flashing libreboot?
make money off of n00bs who were told by a youtube lolbertarian it would save them from globohomo
>>9059> more privacy compatible hardware
How does older hardware increase privacy?
>>12714>How does older hardware increase privacy?
Older hardware has either no backdoors, less sophisticated ones or defeated ones, however it has more unpached security holes. Newer hardware has fewer unpached security holes, but more sophisticated backdoors. Weather there is a difference between a security hole and a backdoor is questionable.
Backdoor access tools are very likely going to get out in the wild. And it's likely going to be the tools that work for commonly used computers, so with older hardware you might get lucky and you won't be affected, because there's no more interests in building exploits for hacking old potatoes.
There are people trying to build completely opensource hardware, those could be potentially better candidates than computer oldies. Although they could also have been pwned in other ways, because their focus isn't making extra secure devices , they are looking for completely free devices that allow people to play around with firmware.
Some security experts are speculating that backdoors could be inserted into chip-design-templates right before they are use by the lithographer that "prints" the chip wavers. Others think that interceptor-backdoor-chiplets could be added into dataline-pathways when chips are encased into processor component packaging. There are known examples of tiny barely visible chips having been added to pcbs, that got caught when somebody tested for anomalous latency in pcb-traces.
There are some people thinking about ways for creating zero-trust hardware that is software verifiable. That involves increasing the complexity of error correction to ensure chips can compensate for malicious hardware inserts that cause errors, and use randomized and encrypted logic circuits, that make it impractical to access system components by backdoor. A lot of thoughts are also going into hardening against unorthodox attack vectors like scanning for rogue radio, optical and ultrasounds, signal emissions, making buffered power-supplies that eliminate electricity draw patterns that could be used to make guesses about what the processer is doing and so on.
At the moment this is stuff that only paranoid and high security systems people are interested in, but in plus minus 10 years this might be necessary for everybody, especially if cyberwarfare increases.
Also the legal frameworks will change, computers that are very close to your body will be considered part of your body. Definitely body implants like pacemakers and various sensors your wear on your person are going to be classified as biology equivalent, and unauthorized access will be equaled with physical assault. Smartphones and laptops will probably count as either part of your brain (which legally has perfect privacy protections) or part of your household (very strict privacy protections). Probably at first it will count as part of your household and overtime once people start using machine-learning functionality on a personal level and maybe even start offloading some decision making to that. Personal computing will become legally equivalent to a human brain. This change in legal definitions is going to happen because bad computer security undermines legal liabilities. You can't really blame anybody for anything because you can't prove who did what. I'm adding a caveat to this prediction, it might go in the opposite direction and legal systems will go away entirely, because people stop being legal subjects and just become users.
I wonder what you fags do on it comp that makes you so paranoid lol
I browse /leftypol/, it's serious business.
We want secure un-hackable computers for the same reason you want a calculator that makes error-free calculations.
We want predictable machines.
>Older hardware has either no backdoors
That's not how it works, you don't get to decide that older hardware, or any kind of hardware, has no backdoors, unless:
1- You have ALL the schematics of that hardware
2- it was BUILT BY YOU, UNDER YOUR SUPERVISION ( schematics aren't enough, your hardware can still be backdoored or tampered in the factory )
If not, then your hardware has a chance of having backdoors, doesn't matter old or new
> unpached security holes
Correct, but I don’t think you realise that you’re actually more safe with newer “backdoored” hardware, since now anyone can attack and defeat the entire security of your system from security holes that cannot be patched, example being old and vulnerable firmware, including your outdated CPU microcode and BIOS firmware because the OEM or intel don’t bother issuing newer versions anymore
> because there's no more interests in building exploits for hacking old potatoes.
No there’s actually a lot more, its a lot easier to hack a vulnerable system that cannot be patched, refer to my last point
> There are people trying to build completely opensource hardware
Doesn’t matter unless you build it yourself, refer to my first point
> Some security experts are speculating that backdoors could be inserted into chip-design-templates right before they are use by the lithographer that "prints" the chip wavers. Others think that interceptor-backdoor-chiplets could be added into dataline-pathways when chips are encased into processor component packaging. There are known examples of tiny barely visible chips having been added to pcbs, that got caught when somebody tested for anomalous latency in pcb-traces.
Add “can be backdoored in the design or prototyping phase” to my first point
*deleted my last post since I mentioned you twice*
I don't want the NSA knowing my porn catagories
cant even get a librebootable thinkpad for a good price anymore
me_cleaner is all you need so feel free to get a t440p or a t430 instead of something older and more expensive like the x200
On ebay or other large platforms no, but check your local craiglist or second hand stores. You should be able to find something, I see T60 for less than 100€ all the time where I live.
Gimmicky. My wrists hurts / arms ache from looking at this gif.
That keyboard worked like any other thinkpad keyboard at the time really.
>>13388>What is ergonomics
"Based" mindless consumerist drone
just type in the air
This with mechanical keys is my dream.
Is the feeling of typing on the classic thinkpad keyboard really that much better than the chiclet one? I could swap them on the one I have but I don't know if it's worth the effort.
Afaik people do the keyboard swap because the old one is 7-row and a layout more similar to a regular TKL, not because of how it feels to type on it
keys with lighter pressure are more ergonomic
Good luck finding an original Chicony or NMB 7-row keyboard these days.
Between an original chiclet and a classic keyboard imitation bought off aliexpress, which should I choose?
fork of libreboot that doesn't have the zero-blob libre dogma
>>13717>that doesn't have the zero-blob libre dogma
so they remade coreboot?
no, it still has the whole self-building thing
Billy Herrington is now burning in hell because he did porn. Bye-ee!
Yes, but I'm going there to rule.
this dude has a blogpost about how swearing makes your brain more animal/reptilian but still uses channerspeak and plasters wojak and pepe memes everywhere
laptops already give me enough of a neck strain
>>13847>just get a hackable smartphone that you can install gnu+linux on
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as gnu+linux, is in fact, bionic+linux (android) or musl+linux (postmarkeros). There is no gnu.
that phone is running arch, so it is gnu+linux
could be running busybox instead though
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