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'The weapon of criticism cannot, of course, replace criticism of the weapon, material force must be overthrown by material force; but theory also becomes a material force as soon as it has gripped the masses.' - Karl Marx
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drop them PDFs, we will rebuild edition
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>>25139
Merci. It is but all too rare to see gratitude expressed by other comrades on this board towards this kind of effort.



 

Everytime you visit /edu/, post in this thread. Tell us about what you're thinking about, what you're reading, an interesting thing you have learned today, anything! Just be sure to pop in and say hi.

Previous thread >>>/leftypol_archive/580500
Archive of previous thread
https://archive.is/saN3S

Excuse me coming through
A quick note on the video @ >>>/leftypol/1538283
Also [vid related] for archival purposes

Around the 29 minute mark Peterson criticizes Marx and Engel's for assuming that workers would magically become more productive once they took over.

This actually happened historically, most of the actually effective productivity tricks work places use now were developed by Stakhanovites.

https://soviethistory.msu.edu/1936-2/year-of-the-stakhanovite/year-of-the-stakhanovite-texts/stalin-at-the-conference-of-stakhanovites/
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Any anons here know how it is to study marxism/polsci in China? May be personal stories or just general articles on it. I heard it is quite interesting but can vary much.

You will be unemployed anyways so why would one study some shitty engineering course just to hope you will get hired to construct missles to kill children in the middle east. Better to be unemployed and at least know that you are the most communist of all communists.



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There are people who spend their entire lives reading Hegel and still manage to come out empty handed.

ITT we discuss the great thinker, Karl Marx's teacher, and he on who's shadow we walk:

Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel

>What are good things to read/view to get an understanding of Hegel from a philosophical neophyte?


<What service can Hegel's philosophy provide us today?


>What an be done to make Hegel more accessible to the masses? Why is it so unpenetrable?
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Bump for interest

what do I need to understand Hegel? should i start with the greeks? should I start with Marx and move backwards and end with ababobabu of the gray cave? can you word it in a way that an ant that is now human would understand.

>>25093
- The Very Hungry Caterpillar
- ASPCA Ultimate Cat Care Manual
- Max Stirner's Art and Religion
- Marx's stuff
- The rest of Max Stirner's stuff
- Main story in arknights
- Hegel's stuff
- Side stories in arknights
- The Very Hungry Caterpillar (again)

>>25094
What if I want to learn League of Legends lore?

>>25094
ok now could you be kind and sincere with me? where do I start, where do I go?



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What the fuck are they? Every time a Marxist attempts to explain them it's like a Haskell programmer attempting to explain Monads.
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Value form is dialectical i heard. So read capital vol. 1

>>25114
you probably shouldn't post if you dont know what you are talking about

>>25122
explain what im misunderstanding

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Anon all dialectics is - it's literally just a way to understand the truth.

think of plato's "dialectics" - a platonic dialectic is when two people argue about something, they're arguing because they both have the same idea about something and the only way for them to discover what that idea really is about is by hashing it via words.

i havent read hegel and I only know a bit - but from what i gather it's basically that hegel believes that the truth reveals itself over time - that truth is a substance? I think? like an actual thing that is apart of the pyhsical world, and that physical thing called "truth" was always embedded in everything, and only reveals itself over time through??? people living in history? I think??

>>25133
a platonic dialectic is not a two-sided dispute over a common idea, but is a process of negating propositions by investigating their fundamental elements. children engage dialectically when they constantly ask "why?" - trying to reach for a first principle. i have compared the platonic dialectic to algorithms before: >>24881
where chains of reasoning reach a final value:
>if no, then no, then yes, then no = X
i find it very helpful to think in this way.

hegel's dialectic is a process by which truth is totality, or thought thinking itself, in contradiction with its constitutive parts. the unity of being is a medium between particulars as they self-relate by otherness. for A to relate to B, it must become not-A, yet in its movement to B, it must likewise negate its negation. yet in each movement, A and B are still preserved. history to hegel represents society's self-consciousness (geist) in different epochs. each era is the fulfilment of its movement to self-realisation, but at the moment of self-realisation, we conceive of something already lost (retroactivity) - hence the vanishing mediator. an example in psychoanalysis is in desire (pleasure principle). hunger creates a fantasy and in realising the fantasy, our desire also leaves us. so for something to be, it must also not-be.

so both are pursuing the completion of thought by arriving at final conclusions. the difference is perhaps that plato conceives of a non-contradictory unity while hegel perceives of a contradictory unity.



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Let's make a thread about programming,share your experiences,adviсes to beginners and so on.
I don't have any great experience on this topic,because i'm beginner like only language i learned is Python.

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If learning programming be it for work or for fun or just self improvement, don't do those stupid template starter projects like the eternal to-do list. Program software that you want to use.

Real Programmers write in FORTRAN.

Maybe they do now,
in this decadent era of
Lite beer, hand calculators, and "user-friendly" software
but back in the Good Old Days,
when the term "software" sounded funny
and Real Computers were made out of drums and vacuum tubes,
Real Programmers wrote in machine code.
Not FORtranshumanistot RATFOR. Not, even, assembly language.
Machine Code.
Raw, unadorned, inscrutable hexadecimal numbers.
Directly.

Lest a whole new generation of programmers
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The Rate of Profit: Rising or Falling?

Recently discovered there is a debate within Marxist economics that Marx had it incorrect, rather than rate of profit falling, due to capitalist technological innovation, cost-cutting and wage stagnation the Rate of Profit will rise, theorized by marxist economist Nobu Okishio.

Your thoughts?
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>>16626

Births like anything else are a social relation that is materially subject to external or internal influences and contradictions, and to that you say Birth Rates and the effect of industrialisation and living standards, I absolutely missed that and had made a truism or naturalistic assumption of progressive growth when Birth Rates can fluctuate, good spot there!

>>16622
>what would you say these countertendencies are?
>would be interested in finding more marxist critiques of marx himself, haven't found many academically even.
Its not a critique. Notice how its the "tendency" for the profit rate to fall.

Profit rate falls because the share of material capital grows in relation to the rate of organic capital. IE you have to pay more for the upkeep or replacement of machines relatively than for labour, meaning that there is less total labour in society to be put into creating new capital and more is spend on maintaining what we already have.

The counter tendency is situations where labour saving in one sectors brings down the capital cost in another. Such as improving steel production by 30%. That makes machine upkeep cheaper in terms of labour, and frees labour to build new capital.

But in practice, the implementation of labour saving technologies in non-capital-producing sectors outpaces that of capital producing sectors (because the sectors that produced non-capital commodities, such as food, clothing, etc, are smaller than those that produce or work to maintain material capital), meaning that overall, there is more and more machines that need to be maintained relatively.


>>16630
Thank you for rare theory post




 

Any works on NEETs?

I guess disability stuff like "Empire of Normality" and "Health Communism" is semi-relevant. Also some stuff on the lumpen such as by the Black Panthers.

So TBH I think a lot of the labor aristocracy holds pretty detestable views wrt the demoralized and slum proletariat. Also blaming fascism on jobless schizos is just retarded as reactionary as they may be at times. Fascism is a top-down deployment of the armed forces of the bourgeoisie. Reactionary NEETs and incels are beside the point.



 

Does anyone have any resources about Analytic philosophy under Marxism, Marxist Analytic philosophers, etc. The only major Analytic Marxist I've read at length is Paul Cockshott, and while I like his stuff, he is still a Westerner. I'd like to see more stuff written from within AES states, especially China.

General discussion of Analytic philosophy is also welcome, thanks in advance!
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This thread is further evidence that all academics are grifters not unlike the people posted on ISG regularly.

>>25056
There's only one "marxism" and only one "communism", moron.

>I consulted Deepseek

Bleak.

>>25082
they both conclude disease is bad and bodies rotate

>>25069
<wrongly characterizes intellectual activity as occurring in isolation from the struggles constitutive of its social and political conjuncture, and at the same time does little to intervene in that conjuncture
so if they are the same results where are the AES analytical marxist countries?

>>25086
in what sense do you think they produce the same results in any way?

im trying not to be rude but it seems like you just dont read the posts responding to you so im not really incentivized to answer, so instead of assuming, why dont you tell us where you are getting these ideas

>>25087
>There's only one "marxism" and only one "communism", moron.
So why do different AES states look so different?

>Bleak.

It's the only thing that will give me a straight answer. All you guys have done is make fun of me for asking the question to begin with. Deepseek will at the very least respond to what I said in good faith.

>>25088
>why dont you tell us where you are getting these ideas
Based on the small amount of Analytical Marxism I've read. I'm open to being wrong, I just want to know why I'm wrong.

>>25039
G. A Cohen is the main one, apparently it's technological determinism rather than class struggle as a reaction against the periodic crises of capitalism

>>25090
>in what sense do you think they produce the same results in any way?



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Every friday
The original thread slid off /leftypol/ after I and I assume everybody else missed that week

Currently we are reading Engel's on The Origin of the Family

Anybody remember what chapter we were up to?
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https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/ch05.htm
Chapter 5 the ride of the Athenian State

Now this interesting:
>The Athenians then instituted a police force simultaneously with their state, a veritable gendarmerie of bowmen, foot and mounted Landjäger [the country's hunters] as they call them in South Germany and Switzerland. But this gendarmerie consisted of slaves. The free Athenian considered police duty so degrading that he would rather be arrested by an armed slave than himself have any hand in such despicable work. That was still the old gentile spirit. The state could not exist without police, but the state was still young and could not yet inspire enough moral respect to make honorable an occupation which, to the older members of the gens, necessarily appeared infamous.
Bolding mine
The whole chapter is very interesting Engel's and his source are on very solid ground due to a healthy science and art of philology in the era focussing in Classical Greek



The Origin of the Family is a piece of trash and should be flushed down the toilet. There's practically no empirical evidence for any of Engels' claims and his theoretical model is junk, debunked well over a century ago. I really wish commies would stop reading that outdated piece of shit and taking it seriously.

Reading is fed.



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