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'The weapon of criticism cannot, of course, replace criticism of the weapon, material force must be overthrown by material force; but theory also becomes a material force as soon as it has gripped the masses.' - Karl Marx
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drop them PDFs, we will rebuild edition
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>>25915
incredible stuff



 

Everytime you visit /edu/, post in this thread. Tell us about what you're thinking about, what you're reading, an interesting thing you have learned today, anything! Just be sure to pop in and say hi.

Previous thread >>>/leftypol_archive/580500
Archive of previous thread
https://archive.is/saN3S

Excuse me coming through
A quick note on the video @ >>>/leftypol/1538283
Also [vid related] for archival purposes

Around the 29 minute mark Peterson criticizes Marx and Engel's for assuming that workers would magically become more productive once they took over.

This actually happened historically, most of the actually effective productivity tricks work places use now were developed by Stakhanovites.

https://soviethistory.msu.edu/1936-2/year-of-the-stakhanovite/year-of-the-stakhanovite-texts/stalin-at-the-conference-of-stakhanovites/
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Rousseau and Marx on law as a cause of crime:
<It has constantly been observed that in those countries where legal punishments are most severe, they are also most frequent; so that the cruelty of such punishments is a proof only of the multitude of criminals, and, punishing everything with equal severity, induces those who are guilty to commit crimes, in order to escape being punished for their faults.
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/46333/46333-h/46333-h.htm#A_DISCOURSE_ON_POLITICAL_ECONOMY
<Law itself may not only punish crime, but improvise it, and the law of professional lawyers is very apt to work in this direction. Thus, it has been justly remarked by an eminent historian, that the Catholic clergy of the medieval times, with its dark views of human nature, introduced by its influence into criminal legislation, has created more crimes than forgiven sins.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1859/09/16.htm
This is reminiscent of Samuel Francis' later theory of anarcho-tyranny (e.g. the demand for crime, from managerial and penal institutions):
https://chroniclesmagazine.org/view/anarcho-tyranny-u-s-a/



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Post Copy pastas, videos and books which debunk common Fascist, Liberal talking points which are repeated often.
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I saw someone post a quote accusing George Orwell of raping an indian boy and I need it sauced because if that's true I can shut up 1984 libs forever.



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Which tendencies of ML (there has to be at least one) uphold the pre-Dimitrov, R. Palme Dutt -esque, 1920s COMINTERN (multiple congresses) consensus on the United Front tactic, as opposed to the Popular Front (in my analysis) error?

After finally reading some of Hoxha's works I was greatly disappointed to find that he doesn't even have the integrity to acknowledge Stalin's flip flop from completely contradictory tactics, pretending like the Popular Front is the only thing there ever was and is correct without no need to explain further.

the Chinese revolution being the result of a mix of directives, and ending up in a partially synthesized United + Popular Front, at least leads to some interesting (but ultimately non-conclusive imo) discourse in some Maoist circles on the topic.

Then there's the funny thing about people thinking Bordigist leftcoms are odd for supporting the United Front from Below, or that it's an ultraleft tactic entirely. Meanwhile the fact is that it's the instance where leftcoms get as Leninist, sharing position with Stalin-era CPSU, as they can get.

TL;DR: If Dengists, Khrushchevites and Hoxhaists aren't United Front from Below stans, which MLs are? Non-answer is unacceptable and will require you to do 10 jumping jacks on a floor I multiple bags of pebbles on
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I have trouble exactly understanding what the "united front from below" is supposed to be even after reading some of his texts,is it a call for "leftist unity",is it about getting support from the working class by joining unions ? is it about subverting leadership of unions and other movement that are deemed rightists ?
DO I need to read the entire transcript of the COMINTERN to get what's the difference between that and the united front from above ?
Also I don't think a lot of "ML" argue for a Popular Front nowadays,even if we don't count this site,that kind of died with the Second World War

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I'll bump every day at different timezones until proper replies have been made. I'm not really asking for much with the question in the OP of this thread. It should be answerable for an estimated 1/10th of the userbase of the site. I'll assume they just haven't seen it.

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There are infinite natural numbers. You can take each of those natural numbers and multiply them by 2 and get a new infinite amount of natural numbers. You can repeat this ad infinitum. You can do the same thing with 3,4,5 etc. on any of The above ad infinitum. and exponentation, tetration, etc. on any of the above ad infinitum.

What is tetration? Never heard of it…

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Noooo but my heckin idealist Cantor said natural number infinity is smaller than real number infinity



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What's the leftypol take on this book? I'm not trolling - it's existence has haunted my life. I was raised catholic… Christianity has both ruined & saved my life and my opinions on it have only gotten more complex.

Some of the greatest art of all time has been religiously motivated. But the question of Christianity specifically is a big one. On one hand all manner of brown people are more sincerely christian than a lot of white people have ever been. It might be the one thing saving Africa right now!

But on the other hand The first Roman Empire & Greek empire were polytheistic & they might have achieved a civilizational peak that surpasses the situation we live in right now. Christianity is very homophobic & a huge portion of Europe/UK demographics are atheist & seem to be some of the happiest nations on earth. Christianity might even be the reason that the Roman Empire fell & is responsible for a lot of really bad imperialism & colonialism.

What am I supposed to make of it? Jesus was surely a good man, no? The word of god has saved homeless, sick, and morally corrupt. Where does the justification to do evil come from when people read this?
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>>25882
I personally believe in the Bible myself, and I disagree with the content presented here. But however, I do not wish to debate right now. My easter has been great.
>>25471
We all will become righteous because we are all sinners.

>>25888
>We all will become righteous because we are all sinners.
None is Good but God.

>>25447
The only bible that has my imprimatur is the skeptic's annotated version. I even have a hard back copy.
https://skepticsannotatedbible.com/

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>>25741
I love you

God isn't real. Stop this retardation. All religions are false made up inventions, only useful to the modern world as a cautionary example of how large numbers of people can be fooled by manipulative ideas. Eventually the whole world will be atheist and this retardation won't even be studied as a historical curiosity because it's so boring.



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Choosing a language edition

I do not know why we do not have an active language learning thread, so here you go.
If you got other links you think are worthy of being on here, do mention them.

>Language learning communities

r/languagelearning
https://www.reddit.com/r/languagelearning/

Language learner's forum
https://forum.language-learners.org/

Linguaholic's forum
https://linguaholic.com/

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Sorry, Moldovia, not Transnistria

Test

>>25414
Harder than English. Chinese sentence structure lacks all those redundant Germanic particles like "the," "an," and "of."

Mi estas lernanto esperanto

Perennial dabbler. I'm so decent at Chinese as my main but I always want to choose a third language. I've dabbled to varying degrees in Vietnamese, Indonesian, Korean, Russian (just on apps). Recently started a face to face Spanish course but I'm not that inspired by Spanish I've discovered. Still 8 more classes to go. I'm going to Vietnam soon and I'm hoping that will inspire me sufficiently to invest myself in studying the language.



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the way i explain the labor to people is very simple. I cut straight to the chase.

I say these things, usually not all at once. I let people chew on each one:

> 1 If you’re a boss, and you own a business, you have to pay the worker less than their work is worth.

> 2 If you pay them exactly what their work is worth, you don’t make any money, your business won’t grow, and you’ll get bought out by some asshole who pays workers less.
> 3 If you pay a worker more than their work is worth, you’re losing money, your business will shrink, and you’ll go out of business.
> 4 the problem is the system, because the way the system is set up, workers have to beg for a job from people who own the places we work at, and the bosses only give the job to the lowest bidder, the people willing to do the most in exchange for the least in return.
> 5 everybody who can't get a job has to keep looking for a job until they get so desperate they start selling themselves for less and less
> 6 even with how little they pay us they think it's too much. so they constantly look for ways to make more money and pay less money.
> 7 they send our jobs overseas to where the labor is cheaper, and they want us to blame the people overseas even though they're the ones sending the jobs off and calling themselves job creators while they do it
> 8 they hire a bunch of overeducated nerds to make machines and programs to do our jobs for us, so they can fire us, and then they take credit for what those nerds make
> 9 they give the jobs to people who just got here and are usually running away from some fucked up shit like war and are therefore more desperate than even the average schmuck here is
> 10 despite all this shit they do to get rid of us or make us work for less money, they still need to sell the stuff they make, and if everyone's too poor to buy that shit, then they gotta lower the price
> 11 the faster they make stuff, the cheaper that stuff is because less work goes into makin it, and money is just a piece of paper that says some work got done
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>>22824
I dont think its true at all that factory workers were studying capital on the factory floor

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>>14135
truth nuke of unimaginable magnitude and potence

sorry leftoids, the workers WILL read the ruthless critique and they WILL agree.

>>14135
Literacy doesn't mean voracious reading.

>>19045
This is the only real good post on here.
Most talks about a glorious leftist revolution in the twenty first century is a farce.
At best it's lib left bs.
At worst it's just right wing rehash.

>>14136
>Illiteracy is on the rise in the US and child labor has returned. This isn't because workers are getting dumber, but because the bourgeoisie are getting more ruthless.

I have yet to see where child labor is being a prominent return with exceptions of some outlier factory using orphans.

Also, I find it funny how people are complaining about illiteracy in a time where everyone makes and reads text messages and/or essay posts.
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>>19918
>>19045
the only two replies ITT worth reading

>>22824
>So I tell all of you: Dumb it all down, simplify then make it simpler. Make it spread.

yes. an introductory comment on simplification in general. Not many people know that there is a primary synopsis of Capital, written by Engels himself (1868):
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/1868-syn/
Marx also makes early comment as to the serialisation of Capital by French editors in the 1872 preface:
<I applaud your idea of publishing the translation of “Das Kapital” as a serial. In this form the book will be more accessible to the working class, a consideration which to me outweighs everything else.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/p2.htm
Thus, Marx clearly cared for simple presentation and exposition, despite his verbose style, as he admits of in the beginning of the 1873 preface.

Beginning with Carlo's Capital, we have a note upon translation, which by this time, Capital was limited to the German, Russian and French, with the first English edition being published in 1886. Marx died 3 years earlier. Carlo also gives a tragic fact that by this time (1878), Marx had failed to publish Capital Vol. 2 (1885), despite already having the groundwork and notes for Capital, cumulatively from the period of 1857-67. Of course, Engels only published the unfinished manuscript of Capital Vol. 3 in 1894, 11 years after Marx's death, and 1 year before his own demise. The unpublished "theories of surplus value" was also only brought into completion by Kautsky around 1910, and so it took over 40 years to convert Marx's notes into his "Critique of Political Economy" series (talk about procrastinating!). Many of the secondary and tertiary texts of Marx were also only published in the 20th century, largely through the USSR, by "progress publishers" (1931-). Carlo writes:
<Meanwhile Marx can fulfill his promise, giving us the second volume of Capital, which will deal with The Process of Circulation of Capital (book II), and with The Process of Capitalist Production as a Whole (book III), and the fourth and fiPost too long. Click here to view the full text.



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So, before the site went down there was a thread about serious, rigorous, economic books about socialism, and economics in general, so, not "pop economics", anyway, any good recommendation of serious economics books?
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A lolbert wrote this book on why he thinks education is bad:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Case_Against_Education


>>25398
>>25933
>serious economics books



 

What awaits the future? Why is college still so popular now?

The body was too short or empty.The body was too short or empty.The body was too short or empty.The body was too short or empty.
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>>25894
liberal take

>>25876
>What awaits the future?

AGI Takes all jobs.
Humans get welfare or starvation.
Agent swarms do what humans would have done.
Jobs that can't be automated get flooded with Masters Degree Applicants.
Laws get made to license AI into specific roles like Law and Medicine.
Tasks get automated one by one until no one is left.
Humanoid Robots invade manual labor.

What is the leftypol take on this book? It's main argument is that college/university is basically just a big hazing ritual for employment, and doesn't actually impart much useful, human capital-increasing knowledge.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Case_Against_Education

>>25887
Very true.

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>>25930
its been done better



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