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'The weapon of criticism cannot, of course, replace criticism of the weapon, material force must be overthrown by material force; but theory also becomes a material force as soon as it has gripped the masses.' - Karl Marx
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Everytime you visit /edu/, post in this thread. Tell us about what you're thinking about, what you're reading, an interesting thing you have learned today, anything! Just be sure to pop in and say hi.

Previous thread >>>/leftypol_archive/580500
Archive of previous thread
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Excuse me coming through
A quick note on the video @ >>>/leftypol/1538283
Also [vid related] for archival purposes

Around the 29 minute mark Peterson criticizes Marx and Engel's for assuming that workers would magically become more productive once they took over.

This actually happened historically, most of the actually effective productivity tricks work places use now were developed by Stakhanovites.

https://soviethistory.msu.edu/1936-2/year-of-the-stakhanovite/year-of-the-stakhanovite-texts/stalin-at-the-conference-of-stakhanovites/
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>>24614
Partway through Anarchism or Socialism, working through the implications of "content precedes form".
Would that mean the nature vs nurture model for development is mostly bullshit then? Considering it argues that the phenotype of an individual would be partly a result of their environment (nurture), and partially a result of their nature (genetics). While content (environment) precedes form implies that the environment determines gene expression too, and therefore only the environment is responsible for the form of an individual.



 

drop them PDFs, we will rebuild edition
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I come from a long line of Freemasons. I did not suspect anything until my relative went to the 33 degree then I got the following info

70% of law enforcement in USA, and UK are masons. Be ready to hide.

Please share this information with everyone you can. Be careful My family is involved in this stuff. So I know what Im talking about. Im currently in big danger. So this is a real war and not a game. Our futures and freedom are at stake.
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>>24018
I heard Nikocado started his career as sort a joke/whim.
All the people morally obsessing over him because of his obesity are the reason why shock jock artists exist

People are addicted to indignation. And that addiction to indignantion is what fuels self-righteousness.

Everyone thinks to themselves "That could never be me. I'm too smart/mature for this". And then it happens. They fell into a rut and are desperate for saving face. This is the problem with LeftyPol.
They all whine about the right being hypocrites and cringe lords, yet their own camp does the same shit.

LeftyPol whines about "women are gold diggers". They whine about certain ethnic minorities being troublesome (Indians in this case).
They go hysterical over entertainment franchises having canon-reboot sequels.
Alot of them are NEETs or semi-NEETs who think they're owed free money for being miserable bastards.

>>24021
So that's why Nietzsche says "God is dead and we killed Him"?
Of course, Christians take it out of context and frame it as an attack against their religion.

>thread about the power and danger of freemasonry gets derailed into schizobabble about aliens and a discussion of christianity
Wasn't convinced about a masonic conspiracy until I saw this thread and noticed masons scrambling to divert. Trotsky and Molotov were right. Communists must kill all freemasons.

>>24034
Some of our early post-Revolutionary War American presidents were anti-Masons.

kill yourself now



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Are there any rewritten versions of important theory works dumbed down for retards like me? I
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>>24307
Tiktoker.

I might try a crack at it in comic form.

"There's no golden road to science" or whatever - Karl Marx


No. Start to use your 2 neurons and read you fucking idiot.



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So /edu/ this site is full of threads debunking standard chicken headed talking points but what are some legit criticisms of leftist thought?

I found this book Black Marxism by Cedric Robinson and his thesis runs as following. Marxism and European socialism, instead of being an ideology of the proletariat, was a petty bourgeois ideology born out of a ressentiment for the bourgeoisie and the belief that the proletariat could be better managed. Leftists falsely understood capitalism as a rationalizing force which would create a homogenous proletariat, while in truth capitalism exacerbates racial differences to manage pops more efficiently. Leftists mistake nationalism and racism as essentially reactionary, while in truth it has always played a huge and sometimes preponderant part in history.

Second Kolakowski's book Main Currents of Marxism makes two important claims. Terms like "materialism" and "dialectics" are not well defined leading to ambiguity and confusion. This is why Lenin and the Russian Marxists misinterpreted Marx's materialism as an ontology of matter. Second leftist materialism is determinstic and offers a telological history in which outcomes are predetermined. This undermines human creativity and autonomy and is why the Soviets and "actually existing socialism" became totalitarian in practice. The party led by masters of Marxist theory and technocrats can guide society through more and more bureaucratization cancelling out the need for democratic participation and subordinating individual agency to the needs of the bureaucracy itself. I believe the Maoists saw this and tried to break from it but China ended up producing the same results because even the red guards embraced the same interpretation of historical/dialectical materialism.

I want bring out Carl Schmitt here for all the leftcoms and anarchists. If you have a radically open society you can easily get invaded by an influx of new people. /pol/ stormfaggot colonization of online spaces proves that anarchic environments are highly vulnerable to this type of invasion or the emergence of extremism within. Anarchist societies would not have the means to resist these invaders. Probably why the Zapatistas are scrapping their communal autonomy model because of cartels moving into Chiapas and causing trouble. The anarchist army could resist an external military force. Its been done before. But an anarchist society is prone to collapse and reversal through inabiliPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>22324
Thats why some anons say they're communists, not leftists.

Leftism is just a farce, just no different from right is so far

>>24250
Why do you elevate his idiocy? "PTSD schizo" isn't a real thing, for starters as to what's 'wrong'. My 'preference for what's correct' is analysis beyond the equivalent of what a 13 year old boy would type as a means of 'analysis' in a youtube comment section.

>>24249
are you 'psikey' on twitter?

>>24322
Ah. I thought you meant his critique of anarchy relying on "muh goodness of human nature".

But for real though, most psuedo intellectualism is often from those older than you think.

I like how people always assume online that anything that sounds wrong is written by a child.

I find far more farcical opinions on boomer chat spaces

>>22312
>I want bring out Carl Schmitt here for all the leftcoms and anarchists. If you have a radically open society you can easily get invaded by an influx of new people. /pol/ stormfaggot colonization of online spaces proves that anarchic environments are highly vulnerable to this type of invasion or the emergence of extremism within.
<le internet troll raids are literally just like society! I am so smart.

also leftcoms are not anarchists



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The marketplace of ideas and great men also move history, it's just that in a way that is less important than materialism.

Without a Marx noticing everything and spreading his ideas, we wouldn't be here. And without great men like Lenin or Mao things would also be drastically different. What put everything in motion was the material conditions so it's always the most important thing, but the material conditions create ideas and great men.

It's the reason the bourgeoisie is constantly creating anti proletarian myths like "self made man" or whatever. The ruling class uses ideas as a weapon, and while ultimately material conditions will make even the most stubborn idiots realize the truth, ideas can delay it from happening, and so can important leading figures like Donald Trump who has been a retard-whisperer for some time now.

most of marx's work wasnt even published in his lifetime, and works like capital vol. 2 and 3 were edited by engels. marx was not an island.

I think Plekhanov's formulation is the best.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/plekhanov/1898/xx/individual.html
>Without a Marx noticing everything and spreading his ideas, we wouldn't be here.
Why was Marx able to come up with his theory of history? You might say because he had access to the ideas of others before him, but even those ideas were able to develop because of the development of scientific technology and social organization. Historical materialism would be impossible without a mountain of resources to make such a historical theory from. Dialectical materialism would be impossible without sufficient scientific development which requires experimentation with developed technology. His critique of philosophy required the theories of Proudhon, Fichte, etc to develop, which required capitalist relations in order to be able to criticize property or praise nationalism.

>>24348
>Why was Marx able to come up with his theory of history?
hegel.

>>24348
>why was marx able to come up with his theory of history?
Because he was smart and worked hard

>>24345
what an actual retard.



 

Hello comrades. I have doubts about materialism since the philosophical part of Marxism isn't my strength, but I want to be able to understand it better since materialism is the foundation of marxist theory and the communist movement.
I've had arguments in the past with people who claim that modern science doesn't prove materialism or that materialism cannot explain things like the origin of the universe or quantum mechanics. Well, where do I begin with this? Is materialism the truth? The most basic part of marxist philosophy is the assertion that matter is objectively real, right? How do I prove this then? Maybe one of you STEMlords around here can help me out with this. Any resources on this is appreciated.
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Perhaps I dont understand materialism, scientific value, communism, marxism, or what you mean
but
The way I see it, materialism is all that matters because its all that can be proved to exist
>inb4 solipsism brain in a jar shit, I dont care if my house isnt actually real, I have performed numerous repeat experiments by living in it and all evidence points toward corporeality
I guess this is one of those things that can be really easy to bring into a navel gazing circlejerk about what is reality, what is real, etc, like in the same vein as Last Thursdayism where technically you could have been created a few days ago and it just so happens that all your memories are generally pretty accurate and also congruous with reality moving forwards

Bumping this one

>>20840
Why?

Have we discovered a "scientific value" of commodity? Ten yards of linen gets you ten scientifics. Balderdash !





 

Okay, let's try this. I would try making this sort of a general threads for a few weeks, then we'd see if they became popular and maybe mods would make /psrg/ a permanent thread.

Thread inteded as a containment place for a discussion of all things religious since I had noticed there was an infestation of a low-quality religious discussion threads recently.

Let's start with the building of a reading list about religion and spirituality from a marxist/general socialist perspective, shall we?
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>>24578
>machine to tell you what to think, that is on you or whatever pedagogy you received that insisted on turning off your own sense and reason. Computers don't "make" you do that simply by existing or carrying out their instructions.

It can if it affects the information that our sense and reason depends on. For what we call sense and reason are heavily dependent on information that we previously know of. Communism was developed on the understanding of past economic events and history. Adam smith capitalism was based on his analysis on britain history and other things.
The ruling class can simply just modify the computers ai and etc to promote answers that can modify such information. Make it so that this information is biased or in favor of the ruling class ideology. And when the internet, computer or ai is made in such a way to be pro ruling ideology information. Then how can a lot of people be able to use sense, logic and reason to see the truth, if the information that the logic and reasoning uses is mainly pro ruling ideology?
And yes people in the past didnt need to know much. But the information that they did know affect their sense and reasoning. It still affected their plans, their decision making and etc. And we can know this since the ruling ideologies of the past, christianity, confucianism and etc did affect the populations thinking. It shaped how they viewed the world.

>>24578
>Human beings, for themselves, have to maintain some fidelity to the actual world we live in,
Also theres a severe issue with this. Yes humans have to maintain some connection to the actual world. However that connection is quite limited.
Humans, just like in the past, are mostly going to be connected to their local communties. Human also are mainly limited in knowing about things happening in their life span. Thus human viewpoints will be very limited
As such this leaves numerous blank spots which would require exterior sources of information. And this is where the propaganda thing I mentioned here comes in. >>24583
This situation would give a lot of power to the ruling class to use ai computers and etc to shape human viewpoints. For in these blank spots, the ruling class would mainly have monopoly of information. Information which would shape the sense and reason of human beings.

>>24583
Every computer, every algorithmic program, is predictable and can be understood in principle by the user. We expect programs to do particular things, and can ask what the machine is doing even if we don't have a disassembled source code and full knowledge. We never once believe the computer is actually magic, and that is what the ruinous pedagogy insists we HAVE to do. The computer is a machine, and not a particularly complicated machine. So too is the network of these computers fairly simple to understand, even if the number of agents and the command and control of superior users is not immediately known.

I write more about this in The Retarded Ideology. I'm re-reading the first book and I find it remarkable just how well I set up these arguments for the future books, looking specifically at the mechanism-vitalism "debate".

If you're talking about censorship and total control of information, that is handled ultimately by a very human source that insists on forced ignorance. There are many people who are partisans of this forced ignorance, who have resorted to terror and torture to insist information works in the way you believe. All of those people are not made of magic nor possess any special power. They are made of flesh and blood, possessing the same basic knowledge process as any human, and for any of their plans to be realized they can only operate with machinery much as we do. They do not receive any "super-science" or "super-technology" that allows them alone this power, or grants to their machines special power.

The method of information control deployed today is not inscrutable or "unknowable". It is actually painfully predictable. Its "secret" is that it can deploy in any arena an unbearable degree of shrieking and humiliation, so that the public of any and all countries will be cowed into submission. This is the standard Germanic pattern of behavior, because they insist people need to "respect" their disgusting race and their stupid warmongering habit.

>>24584
Humans maintain enough connection to the actual world when their life and future depend on it. If the ruling elite did not invade our homes, break up our families, brag about exterminating and humiliating us openly every day, I doubt the people would care at all if the world is ruled by an oligarchy of rich people or a despot, or hold any particular notion of what society should be in the abstract. The people never valued freedom or a republic, and given the history of those claims, why would they ever value a thing that has only demanded they sacrifice something new every so often? The only thing that kept the peace in the older society is that governments largely did leave the common people to live their life, and delegating slavery and exploitation to private owners.

The great event that brings about "real modernity" is the American Civil War and the end of chattel slavery. The slave power and its allies sought a new way to hold slaves, and the outcome of the war effectively established state slavery and the power of institutions to do what the slave trade did before. The rewritten narrative of history, the one being imposed on reality now, is that immediately after 1865, the corporate state immediately imposed state slavery and this was automatically and "naturally" accepted, and no one could actually have opposed slavery in principle or held any other value regarding exploitation. The true history of the war and the wars that would come after is much larger, involving many competing factions that wanted the future to be things that were all irreconcilable with each other, and could not be agreed upon by any polity. Some wanted world peace, some wanted the great revelation and for Jesus to come down so the Kingdom of Heaven starts, a lot just wanted to go home for food, and quite a few wanted to end the entire social experiment of modernity as it had been conducted up to then. Then of course there were those who saw the future had a long way to go, and the world could very easily be something far more compatible with life and something we would want than what we lived in.

The short of it is that the entire history of the world after 1865 is ultimately traced to the abolition of chattel slavery in America, and the aims of those who want the slave power to be fully restored and want to justify and glorify the slave system. This has less tPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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another attempt at trying to reconcile ideology and ruthless critique? Wow how original leftists



 

Post charts.
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>>23375
>marxists leninists
<look inside
>mao

>>23758
Mao should be obligatory for every left ideology.

>>23759
>Mao "I never read Marx" Tse Tung should be read by every leftist

>>23759
>Mao "reading books is bad for you" Tse Tsung should be read by every leftist

>another thread where people post their dogshit study guides where 90% of the books there are shit and full of ideology and the remaining 10% will be the ones no one bothers to read because they're "hard"



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Hi , i'm beginner in chemistry and i want someone with kind heart to help me with studying , which authors , books you can recommend?

Sorry for my English.



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