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>>2561611
>Alienation is not some fucking moral crisis of humanity it's literally just how wage labor and capital accumulation work
have you seen Bresson's tragic donkey movie?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Au_hasard_Balthazar
liberals have nothing but contempt for people who care about the exploitation of their slave laborers whose moral crisis makes them scoff and sneer:
<Ingmar Bergman said, "this Balthazar, I didn't understand a word of it, it was so completely boring … A donkey, to me, is completely uninteresting, but a human being is always interesting."
"I am only interested in stories by my fellow naval-gazing petite bourgeois degenerates like Kevin Spacey in American Beauty" (an Epstein type guy btw)
>>2561780
>do you think aliens gets humanation? is there dialectical materialism on other planets?
how about aliens on your own?
>"The film's religious imagery, spiritual allegories and naturalistic, minimalist aesthetic style have since been widely praised by reviewers. In 2005, James Quandt referred to it as a "brief, elliptical tale about the life and death of a donkey" that has "exquisite renderings of pain and abasement" and "compendiums of cruelty" that tell a powerful spiritual message. In 2003, J. Hoberman stated, "Robert Bresson's heart-breaking and magnificent Au Hasard Balthazar (1966) – the story of a donkey's life and death in rural France – is the supreme masterpiece by one of the greatest of 20th-century filmmakers." Manohla Dargis views Au hasard Balthazar as "one of the greatest films in history", writing that it "stirs the heart and soul as much as the mind." Roger Ebert argued, "The genius of Bresson's approach is that he never gives us a single moment that could be described as one of Balthazar's 'reaction shots.' Other movie animals may roll their eyes or stomp their hooves, but Balthazar simply walks or waits, regarding everything with the clarity of a donkey who knows he is a beast of burden, and that his life consists of either bearing or not bearing […] This is the cinema of empathy.Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2561611
How will socialism solve alienation? As usually described it sounds like a problem with mass industrial society. You're still gonna work at a factory/mine/office and not control your product. That's up to party apparatchiks. Even they wouldn't really be in control. Like Ellul says, in industrial society no one is really responsible. Everyone just has their own little job to do and beyond that it's a giant machine.

>alienation is not some moral crises
says the anon lonely and alienated anon who was so lonely that he had to post this very fucking thread

>>2561765
>"Alienation" has several meanings
Alienation is a purely economic phenomena, which has social implications. You are irresponsible with your words.

It's a legal term, from which the "moral crisis" proceeds

>>2565733
i'm so frustrated that all the other replies to you didn't even call you out for dodging the point:

>calling service sector workers "leeches" when it's the capitalists who outsourced the commodity production jobs is reactionary. the capitalists are the leeches

people really will just ignore the context of the conversation and let scum like you goalpost shift and level random accusations. they fall for rhetorical sleight of hand so easily.

>>2565778
He is just a theorycel autist

>>2565783
I'm fine with theorycel autism when it isn't being misused to pit worker against worker

>>2565775
>Ok but they are still the ones responsible for outsourcing all the productive labor, this is the fact you keep dodging.

They are not lmao. You are accusing capitalists of acting capitalistically. China, for example, took upon itself to build factories, acquire technologies, create logistics, and Westoid competition has merely compared the prices and decided in favor of abandoning all hope in the US and start buying from China. That's blatantly more profitable! There was no choice involved, they just chose what benefitted them the most.

>capitalists are responsible for the "collective weight of unproductive workers" since they are the ones deciding where the jobs go.

Sure, I agree. Capitalism and capitalists are bad planners, because of anarchy of the market

>>2565778
Where was I dodging it? The post you are responding to explains my position very well - they are leeches in economic sense, and they are COLLECTIVELY more of a leech than collective capitalist class; per capita it's obviously a capitalist who is more of a leech (i didn't say that in my post, and didn't intend to, because DUH it's obvious)

Meanwhile, you folks didn't give me one example of how you are going to solve USA's 2 trillion dollars in budget deficits problems - the best you did was propose debt repudiation, lmao

>>2565785
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>>2558411
the closest person to him actively glazing is Yakov Sverdlov and even then he remained netural

>>2558416
based

>>2558411
yeah i rewatched that one and he says that towards the end, but you gotta admit that's one clickbaity thumbnail

apparently he also makes rap music
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/noj/wish-i-was-here/

>>2565789
……..unexpected lol

>>2564767
>Why are you such bootlickers?
I gotta have a strong state
>>2564682
see pdfsrel

>>2564682
>>2564854
as for my commentary, they all dance around the issue that joint production can lead to negative values. interestingly you can have negative surplus value and positive profit
joint production is "dealt" with in national accounts by aggregation. this forces everything into a square Leontief matrix where you only get positive values

>>2562210
Introducing Fixed Prices

What if instead of a bidding for resources with variable-price bids, the bids must be done at fixed prices? I very strongly feel that a resource-allocation system needs to have some flexibility. Imagine only one pseudo-firm wants some resource, but doesn't have the play-money. Isn't that a very silly situation? If the prices are fixed, it should be possible and indeed trivial for that pseudo-firm's spending to exceed its budget to get the resource.

What is the purpose of the budgets? To give the pseudo-firms power to access resources. If society decides to give pseudo-firm A twice the budget society gives to pseudo-firm B for the next period, our working assumption is that society evaluates what A will do as more important than what B will do (even though the two decisions might be made by two different committees without a single person being a member of both). If we have to state any sort of ratio of importance here, we assume that what pseudo-firm A will do is deemed as twice as important by society compared to B. (I'm assuming here A and B are in the same tier. Like in the system with flexible prices, we can have lexicographic tiers of importance for the pseudo-firms, so that a lower tier only gets the leftovers from the higher tiers.)

Suppose the spending period isn't over yet so no new budgets are yet available, but both pseudo-firms are already out of play-money for accessing resources. They are going into minus. I'm using this phrasing for a reason. I'm NOT saying they are "going into debt", because they won't have to pay back anything. Any pseudo-firm's play-money account, whether positive or negative, gets reset to zero at regular intervals and it gets a new budget.

Suppose there is a resource that nobody is bidding for except A and B, each asking for all of it. (Despite using fixed prices here, I'm still using the term "bids", because like with variable-price bidding the requests are not instantly approved, instead we wait for a while till bids are closed; and if the demand exceeds what's in stock, we allocate the stuff in a way that follows a simple rule that has nothing to do with the order in which the bids arrived.) Suppose both A and B are in minus. Again, it is clear that the resource should be assigned despitPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2564859
>We can even split up the same resource and make available some amount of it in each system
I've been thinking along these lines. the plan amounts to a set of entitlements to resources. beyond the plan we could have spending money, but firms choosing to use their money instead of plan allocation get lower priority. for this to work we also need firms to produce enough of a surplus that such spontaneous orders can be accommodated. in other words we should plan for a bit of an excess

new dickbros

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpX8mtfH5DI

>>2565764
What does a board game have to do with big countries invading small countries?

>>2565766
>imperialism: big countries invading small countries
This post has been fact checked as TRUE by authentic Boushi Youchou Patriots!

Is a lemonade stand in the middle of the desert doing imperialism when they sell hydration to weary travelers if they are the only one around?

>>2565772
china is not imperialist yet they just want to be imperialist (inwade smol country on tiewon)

>>2565774
taiwan is basically what if all the confederates fled to puerto rico after the american civil war and called themselves Dixie Rico. Nobody should be obligated to take that seriously.

>>2564702
They don't even vet parties before asking them to come because they're that confident. Straight up CIA fronts like Haz's ACP showed up.

>>2565270
Or maybe they are not a CIA asset?

China does this all the time with international communist/socialist parties, besides the russian communist party specifically is allied to Putin

>>2565270
China likes anyone who will suck up to them, Zyuganov is a great Russian chauvinist who regrets the USSR time because "Russia was bigger and most powerful then", Russia yeah, not the union. He also says the struggle between civilizations replaced class struggle which is revisionist and fascist.
So it's not surprising they would say hello to CIA burger nazbols

>>2565737 (me)
There is no final victory for the bourgeois only temporary ones. That can not be said of the proletariat.

>>2565737
>they wont learn any lessons its not in there material interests
ironically it is in their material interests to not be their own gravediggers and make enemies out of the toiling masses in the name of a quick buck, yet here we are

>>2565739
nta but that sounds like hopium

The challenge to US hegemony isn't coming from socialism, but from global liberalism not supporting the eternally arrested economic development necessary.Even if the USA loses the cold war so badly it collapses as a state, it's not going to automatically become socialist. They'd just become a smaller partner/victim of the other powers which, by then, would have already gotten much of the NATO portion for themselves.

Why would USAnos do a revolution, when their material conditions would probably improve under new management anyway.

>>2565754
it isn't about hegemony, another "socialist" country force its way life on another and expect it to stick, we can see this was the case in the eastern block. socialism requires a class conscious proletariat and organization of some sort to help organize it. do what I said in this previous post >>2564757

>>2564680
>I'm just saying guys, if America was prepping the region for Israeli domination, selling your cutting edge technology to the Saudis is the last thing they'd do
Are you retarded? Saudis are absolutely complicit in American/Israeli war crimes. They caused the largest cholera epidemic in modern history and mass starvation in Yemen by destroying Yemeni sanitation infrastructure with weapons they purchased from the USA. Why the USA selling tech to saudis be bad for Israel?

>>2564805
Yes, precisely.

no

This is why I think Trump winning was a good thing btw, he basically accelerated the end of American hegemony by several years

>>2565699
And this is only the start of his term, Comrade Nationbuilder will do more for us yet!

>>2564787
Is Aryan some kind of Asian because she looks like a Chinese chick that dyed her hair blond