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>>2572346
You do nothing but shill american imperialism retard, which is a thousand times worse than any perceived shilling on my part for the dead nation states or the "muscovites" and their "imperialism", which in your vulgar conception amounts to nothing more than when a big country is mean to its smaller neighbors and can thus be completely discarded as liberal drivel. You're nothing but a western chauvinist pig

>>2572343
>I unironically have no beliefs other than hatred for Washington, I shill for a government that literally no longer exists and helped defeat socialism once and for all alongside the US and Third Reich
Sad this is what stalinoids are reduced to
You all act like you feel very weak and helpless

>>2572348
and in turn, you have to shill the lesser imperialist who proposes a great society in which the proletarians are exploited only a little less, where the exploited are not only ruled by westerners, but africans, south americans, asians too! a real noble cause you offer, i suggest instead if you were an actual communist, you wouldn't be shilling for muscovite imperialists and instead worked towards building a communist mass party, but you can do what you want

>>2572106
you are accepting western propaganda about the west's adversaries at face value re: USSR and CPC being cartoonish villains, the same way that the ACP accepts our adversaries' propaganda at face value re: LGBT = imperialism.

'campism' is not about 'worshipping […] some kind of state' but rather about performing a material analysis of the conditions of geopolitics.

for example, in regards to ukraine:

the 'campist' position is not that the russian federation is perfect, or even good, or socialist - it is a capitalist oligarchy much like america is. the campist position, then, is simply that: the russian federation, or any other state's, actions are worthy of critical support (this does not mean 'super important support' but rather 'qualified support that comes with criticism of the actor's ideological bases'. so back to the ukraine war, a 'campist' simply sees that Russian success is more of a hindrance to the current global imperial hegemon, the USA, and that it is better for the chances of global communism for there to be at least two or more competing imperialist powers, with their forces divided, rather than trying to organize a revolution under a hegemon that has no competition, and can focus its military, police, surveillance, etc. entirely on thwarting a revolution.

despite claiming to put 'workers first', you have assimilated historical fictions about the USSR and CPC (NOT the CCP, it is the Communist Part of China, not the Chinese Communist Part), often written by literal nazis and nazi sympathizers (gulag archipelago, victims of communism memorial foundation, etc.) or US state department mouthpieces (Adrian Zenz).

us non-'trotzkyist' [sic] do not look at the same propaganda about the USSR as you and internalize and then think that it is good, we simply disregard western propaganda as the lies written by fascists that it obviously is upon any close inspection.

>>2572352
good luck organizing a revolution when there is only a single imperial hegemon that can focus its entire might upon your movement, shithead.

>>2572167
He didn’t agree with him you fucking retard, do you think he just argued you transform into a tibetan because your lung capacity increases???

There is no counter-argument

>>2572301
>”Slaughter children, the poor, and the elderly” ahhh graph
Okay can it be hitlerites and their families?

Euroaches (hitlerites) be like:
>Brb looking for my graph showing the tax contribution of the bourgeoisie, petit bourgeois, and labor aristocrats vs the poor and unemployed

>>2572318
>>2572316
Stop being poor

>>2572326
>consuming necessities keeps workers alive, so it drives productivity by producing and reproducing labor-power.
reproducing labor power is necessary for production, but it does not increase productivity. reproduction and productivity are different categories in marx. it's categorical confusion. keeping workers alive is a precondition for production, not a determinant of productivity. marx explicitly denies this.
>rest of your text
true. that was basically my orignal argument, however this only speaks to the sustainability of reproduction, not to productivity growth.
>There is another anon arguing with you differently from me in a way I do not agree with.
yeah they're wrong lol

>>2572315
okay gotcha i was confused

GENTLMEN IM GOING TO INVEST IN PENNY STOCKS
THIS SHIT is 0.030 per stock
https://www.sunhydrogen.com/
IS THIS A SCAM

>>2572329
>this kid is way more mature than most people here
Maybe more than everyone here.

>>2572330
Can't have second-guessing amongst the grunts in a killing force, now can we?

>>2572262
Ok but how is this really different from now? Anyone making decent money from benefits already has to be classed as disabled.

>>2572274
>Ok but how is this really different from now?
are you dumb blud?
you dont get benefits if you work, so i suggest paying people benefits to work.

>>2572287
You already can get benefits if you work but on low income though. Also under this system what will happen to people who aren't classed as disabled but aren't working for whatever reason? Many of them have serious issues, if they had all benefits cut they would just end up on the street.

>>2572314
the current salary threshold is around £10,000 and only if you work less than 16 hours a week
>Also under this system what will happen to people who aren't classed as disabled but aren't working for whatever reason?
if you can work but choose not to, thats your fault.
the difference is that i am offering a way out.

what is your proposal?

>>2572211
Good lord get this neolib rubbish out of here. The reason people are on UC is because they don't have jobs in the first place!

>>2572297
psychoanalysis is a mind virus that permanently cripples the mind into thinking in terms of penises

one becomes obsessed with seeking the causes of speech in the mind of the speaker instead of examining the objective conditions. peak idealism

this traces all the way back to nietzsche who invented concepts like "ressentiment" and "slave morality" in order to root thought in the supposed nature of different castes of man

"you think this because you are a slave"
"you think this because you want to hold your dad's penis"
"you think this because you want to suck dick"

>>2572228
NTA, I also applaud you for your intellectual courage. It's nice to see once in a while among the hellscape that is the western internet.

>>2572308
no, what is a mind virus is obsessing over dead nations and sticking yourself to a lost cause, so answer the question i posed, in what way are you different from an atlanticist liberal, a lost cause confederate, a neo-nazi, or any sort of LARPing loser?

do you people talk about china in this schizo general

>>2572174
My guess is that right wing groups hire people from the Third World as cheap labor to operate such accounts.

>>2572165
Glowies have been privatising their psy-ops and PR firms, outsourced to the developing world.
People are tempted by influencers like that Sri Lankan boy who was running an academy to teach others to post right-wing AI slop on Facebook like catnip for Boomers.
You had companies in the past like Cambridge Analytica harvesting Facebook data for ops. But I think at this stage it may be so abstracted and indirect that they just make algorithm changes at the top to promote a certain type of content.
And these influencers react to that in order to gain likes and revenue.

>>2572174
>(you) hire a social media manager.
>they contract the work out to the third world using the cheapest labor they can find.
It's not complicated and a good reason not to hire social media managers.

>>2572071
I am just qouting Mao.

>>2572174
Because farming social media engagement becomes a reasonable way to earn money when the average salary in your country is 5 dollars a day.

Clock is ticking. Suck up and accept the terms and end this bloodshed.

>>2572133
>>2572145
Why are there so many accounts of them being kidnapped though? Are the kids being paid to day that?

>>2572311
What accounts
Where
By who

Lukashenko status???

China should do something about this, right? This seems like something China had a considerable investment in.

>>2572215
wdym, it took one phone call for Panama to break its deal with China.
Central Asian countries are cozying up to America, and even Belarus is unilaterally releasing prisoners to please Trump.
Russia can't even get formerly reliable lightweights like Serbia and Armenia off the fence.
Whether we like it or not, geopolitics follows the law of the jungle, and "restraint," "strategic patience," etc. don't inspire confidence.

>>2572208
the end goal of the project was not to vassals Ukraine. It was to vassal Ukraine as a battering ram to destroy Russia, cause a coup, put in a friendly regime, or break it up into multiple countries.
Russia was the big prize. American investments and assets in Ukraine is a sad consolation prize. A break up and plundering of russia would destroy the competition, encircle and strangle china, and give US imperialism a big shot in the arm.

>>2572224
China won't even give full-throated microphone support to Russia and talk about the obvious neo-Nazi problem in Ukraine.
Zero chance it lifts a tenth of a finger for Ven.

Other countries will choose the illusion of military protection under America over the apathy of China/Russia every time. This is why most of Europe behaves as an American vassal even though economic self-interest would dictate friendly ties with China/Russia.