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>>2578185
so, is this you explaining the difference between value ratios and exchange value ratios, then? or have you given up on that?

>>2578185
>>2578236
read this carefully:
<the common substance that manifests itself in the exchange value of commodities, whenever they are exchanged, is their value. The progress of our investigation will show that exchange value is the only form in which the value of commodities can manifest itself or be expressed […] When, at the beginning of this chapter, we said, in common parlance, that a commodity is both a use value and an exchange value, we were, accurately speaking, wrong. A commodity is a use value or object of utility, and a value. It manifests itself as this two-fold thing, that it is, as soon as its value assumes an independent form – viz., the form of exchange value. It never assumes this form when isolated, but only when placed in a value or exchange relation with another commodity of a different kind. When once we know this, such a mode of expression does no harm; it simply serves as an abbreviation.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch01.htm
so exchange-value is the only mode of expression for the value of commodities. value cannot be expressed outside of this quantitative relationship to marx, which may be represented as a ratio between commodities:
<the ratio of the value of silver to that of gold…
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch03.htm
again, this is all entirely uncontroversial to most.

>>2578085
>How many times does Smith Anon have to read this?
He doesn't read he only lies.

>>2578738
lies about what? 🤔

>>2578085
>>2578738
here are some more resources to help your confusion:
<The prices which obtain as the average of the various rates of profit in the different spheres of production added to the cost-prices of the different spheres of production, constitute the prices of production […] And in the same way the sum of the prices of production of all commodities produced in society — the totality of all branches of production — is equal to the sum of their values.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1894-c3/ch09.htm
so, the average price is still reflective of the value given in production, the same as in pre-capitalist relations, and in fact, the total average is equal to the total value. so as marx says, total value = total price, which if you measure as exchange-value, comes to the same conclusion: [Ax = By]. hope this helps. 🙂

Arguing over what is fascism is just about the only thing more pointless than arguing over what socialism is.

>>2578017
did you mix up the colors for laos and cambodia anon

>>2578426
>these petit-bourg types who form the base of fascist movements only latch onto an image of nationalism because they've seen it in media and feel justified to be bad now, like it's very obvious that none of them actually believe in any of this shit and that it's all a big cope about how the old world is dying.
>>2578682
>I think this is why I find it more tiring than scary. It’s all so fake and coming from people whose principles change at a moment’s notice depending on what will make them the most comfortable personally/satisfy their innate bloodthirst as Americans. It’s all LARPing at the end of the day, but it will, and is, getting people killed.
I'm in a very cynical mood at the moment, and it's odd today because right-parties say stuff that is kind of fascist, I see it most of all in the U.S. with Homeland Security and ICE, especially this weird HOI IV mod-inspired aesthetic that they put out on social media. But then Mamdani wins (he's also a "socialist") and then he meets Trump in the White House and they have a "productive conversation about lowering the cost of living for New Yorkers." It still falls back on that technocratic, apolitical and non-ideological framework when they do "politics."

It throws people who read a lot of ideology into these people for a spin. A lot of younger people change ideology so often because it's all memes. You change your ideology when the memes become cringe. Look at the ideologies adopted by 99 percent of people on any side. Marxist-Leninist. Catholic Integralist. Leftcom (Italian), Leftcom (Dutch-German), l/r/e/u/acc. Classical Fascist. NatSoc. SocDem. SocLib. AnCom. AnCap. It's hard to discern the actual positions between them that's either not that far removed from the center-left or center-right, or if edgier than that is not just contrarianism.

>>2578788
>Arguing over what is fascism is just about the only thing more pointless than arguing over what socialism is.
Well since you mentioned it. I've been reading a book about fascism (a comparative history of German and Italian fasPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2578579
Dawg how did you label 80% of Africa as failed state but think Haiti doesn't fall into that category? By that standard Haiti is a failed state

Also what's bleak (but tragically funny too) is that some people who post here would have TOTALLY fallen for Italian fascism if they lived during that time. That's okay though, a lot of people did. Namely people who see things mainly as a struggle between "have" states and "have-not" states because Italians played up this whole "proletarian nation" thing and wanted to revise the world order and balance of power (although ᴉuᴉlossnW largely preferred to work within the European system at the same time), because Italy was a second-rate power in relation to Britain and France. And Germany too but Germany was down bad after WWI.

But that's part of where this whole emphasis on "will" and "determination" came from. They wanted to double down and GET MOVING in order to level Italy up to challenge Britain and France.

Italy also had fairly good relations with the USSR for awhile even though "fascist" was a term of abuse in the communist world. Fascist Italy built warships for the Soviets and regularly hosted Soviet art exhibitions in Italy. ᴉuᴉlossnW also liked FDR winning in 1932 more than Hitler. It wasn't until a few years later that relations with the U.S. really fell off when he invaded Ethiopia.

>>2578637
Both factions largely refused to speak to each other, Zarah held a protest outside, SWP had a tantrum and disrupted events by demanding dual party membership, Corbyn said we shouldn't even use the term "working class" because it excludes disabled people (which as a disabled person I find crazy), and the mainstream news even covered how badly it went as a headline story.

>>2578673
Seems like both sides aren't going to reconcile anytime soon?

>Corbyn said we shouldn't even use the term "working class"
Where did he say that?

>>2578151
>"Working Class is an Ableist term"
https://www.reddit.com/r/stupidpol/comments/8j7or0/ambergate_how_idpol_moral_panics_work_at_the_dsa/
Blast from the past.

>>2578388
The CPC is the most functional and serious Marxist organisation on earth. How it selects cadre and maintains discipline, as well as engages in party democracy without a bunch of unserious shitlibs overriding the entire thing and going all off in their own directions, is absolutely something the Western left needs to learn from.
Your Party should be a lesson that the Western Left have a massive competency crisis. I mean for fuck sake, facebook boomers literally organise more functional fucking parties than the supposed gigabrain "structural thinking" left.
And no, the UK should not import China's industrial policy, Socialist policy should be adapted per nation and culture. But Party Structure from the CPC is absolutely something the British can learn from.
>>2578392
read
>>2578479
But like I've been saying Your Party is basically Labour Staffers that are seething they picked to back the wrong horse in 2017 wanting basically to create a dual power version of the Labour Party to crush the Labour Right and have a Labour Party 2.0 built up by the left faction of Labour, and Zarah who's the embodiment of narcissistic "infantile disorder" student politics.
The correct path was to have largely a Alliance between various left wing groups to vote and campaign on issues of economy, nation building, welfare as a bloc because frankly, that is all the Left can honestly seriously do at the moment, but they fucked it up with all this insufferable bullshit.
>ban on dual membership which was consistently an unpopular proposal in the proposed constitution
Like this, absolutely clown world shit. Any serious party bans dual membership, especially when Trotskytards are pathological entryists who try to overrun every fucking org to eventually have them fold all their impressionable teenage girls into the SWP.
>>2578554
Another big issue is that the Left IS a counter-culture, not a serious political movement. Shit loads are Leftists because they don't see it as part of the mainstream and basically see it Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

Also for laughs, should register Your Party (Marxist-Sultanaist) with the electoral commission.

>>2578811
>Felix isn't on right now. If Felix were here, he would have simply called you a strasserite while seething at CPUSAnon and saying that the vast majority of americans are willing and gleeful collaborators.
It rings a bell, him talking about some kind of union welding job??? I heard someone say recently works in a hotel, and that also kinda rings a bell. I remember him saying he went to a Union meeting and all of his colleagues were Strasserites he would have to exterminate when the day of the rope revolution comes.

>>2578813
ok but i'm not felix just because i'm a unionized welder. if i were felix i would be much angrier and shittier at arguing

>>2578813
also unlike felix i try to educate people when they are wrong instead of simply saying they are evil and all that blah blah blah

>>2578500
>>2578497
The Ancients before us were truly technologically advanced than us now.

>>2578270
> the anon is tryng to constrast marx and deng.
I am the anon. I wasn't trying to contrast Marx and Deng, I was trying to compare them. My God. I highlighted Marx saying "state capital" the thought-terminating cliche always leveled at "Dengism" (Marxism) in China.

>>2578511
Westerners really thought they could support a population of a billion while just being "the ideas guys" while the Asians did all the labor lmao. Ideas can be learned. The world isn't in need of endless "innovation." Proccesses can be perfected, and then the value of innovation drops to zero. Now they think they can stay on top with data centers running on diesel generators lmao.

>>2578650
tbh i didn't see what you were replyng to. i was just copy pasting the same reply i posted to someone who also used that image in a thread about deng and revisionism, sorry! >>2573064 but maybe that was you as well and i didn't understand what it meant

>>2578289
Shai Hulud

>>2578623
Yeah on the other hand the KMT has handed out a lot of benefits to rural/indigenous areas and is considered the government which replaced the colonial japanese and developed the country.

>>2578464
This shit fucking suuuuuuuucks man.

>>2578464
god damn that voice, then they complain about getting sent into camps, really not a surprise

Breadtuber gets annihilated after calling BE a nazi

>>2578464
Finally a sakaist anti-imperialist with internal logic.

>>2578726
without china gaza wouldn't have any capacity to resist at all

imagine a world where only westerners can own computers and phones and any kind of modern technology at all

imagine a world where NK doesn't have china to rely on, and therefore can't give palestine the assistance that they do now

>muh oppressed afrikaners
>muh white genocide
>third world immigrants
>muh western civilization
>purge the non-compatibles

will the world ever finally just tell this nazi to fuck off

>>2578209
>what do you even say?
see >>2577200 >>2577164

>>2577969
>>2577998
>>2577999
Rosa stare

>>2576234
>is there more uniformity of politics? Or is it still common to see people spread out across progressive and reactionary positions?

More the latter these days. Gets down right post apocalyptic in some cases even.

>>2576234
most social minorities are "left" wing relatively speaking because they know they will be on the wrong end of the gun when it boils down to it, but there are exceptions like black men who turn right wing for anti feminist reasons or minorities who are religiously anti LGBT, or certain minorities who (kinda falsely) think they are assimilated into whiteness like high caste indians who think they can bond with upper middle class anglo christians based on being in the same socio economic circles (usually professional IT/medicine jobs which gives them access to high end suburbs) and think they can bond on shared anti islam/muslim sentiments (EX: the Saajar Entjeti / Kash Patel stereotype of the right winged Indian-american).

>>2578490
>More the latter these days. Gets down right post apocalyptic in some cases even.
Go on…

>>2578499
yo i aint even clicking that why do you save this crap?

>>2578512
That videos not that bad. It's probably racist or misogynist but she's pretty and has one of my favorite body types so therefore it's good

>>2578526
pack it up goonerblud