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>>2567118
If it benefits them to work in the imperialist west then it obviously benefits western workers as well, presumably even moreso because they didn't even have to start out as a destitute prole in the periphery, they're not being held back as much. They are both receiving part of the spoils of the super profits that imperialism reaps by living in those nations.

>should we not develop the MoPs because people are better off when we do? would Northern workers not be even better off if the South developed as well, rather than Southern labour power being squandered?
Of course, but that is a future hypothetical, im talking about the world as it is right now

>>2566822
yeah trying to appeal to /pol/cels on… /leftypol/
whats edgy and ironypoisoned about pointing out that policing language and hyperfocusing on muh Hitler when Israel exists is mostly culture war slop?

>>2567117
Vote for zohran reformism, but geopolitistically

>>2567121
>Mop don't create value you retards
more advanced MoPs -> superprofits. read vol III. or even just the first few pages on vol I
>because surplus comes from exploitation of LABOR
social labor
>>2567122
>They are both receiving part of the spoils of the super profits that imperialism reaps by living in those nations
imperialism does not create superprofits. fucking READ. where do you think the most developed MoPs are located? in fucking Bangladesh? no. they're where labor power is the most expensive, because it makes the most sense to economize on labor there. development happens in the North. exploitation happens in the North. superprofits are created in the North. a coltan miner in Congo is far less exploited than a coltan miner in Russia. the same goes for every fucking industry. the only potential exception is when there is no automation to speak of

>>2567122
>presumably
I like that you're not exactly sure

>>2566991
>ours are retards who genocided communists
Same here.

Nationalism is not gonna die anytime soon. In fact, as the third world industrializes, they will become even more nationalist in order to protect "their" newfound national wealth, and out of fear of increasing competition in a world with declining profits rates.

And the Left, of course, is terrified of criticizing third world nationalism because it's "imperialist" to do so.

Bourgeois naval officers and colonialists

comprador retard libs or incompetent religious ultranationalists . Guess the country

>>2566991
The only one which is decent is Garibaldi. He was nominally a socialist who partecipated in indipendence wars in italy and south america.
He's an heroic figure, but sadly never became a revolutionary socialist.

>>2566989
Jewish nigger

>>2566953
< Using Marx to justify China backing a genocidal state
This is while they're umdoing what the european proletariat managed to achive to umdermine Israel btw
https://xcancel.com/Lizzurr/status/1991395277463515241

>>2567071
The question is why Dengoys are so eager to defend China. It's not like China's success will do much for Socialism, when the Chinese themselves aren't interested in it anymore. Why do they even care so much? They wouldn't rush to defend any other country so eagerly now, would they?

Why does China sell Israel surveillance tech?
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/nov/11/west-bank-palestinians-surveillance-cameras-hikvision

>>2567089
>>2567077
>>2567071
I am not a dentist myself but this is rather ignorant, no? The Chinese are the biggest traders of just about everyone, not just Israel. They don't break with Pissreal cuz that would show the others they trade with an addendum to their contracts that if you have enough bad PR you can get cut out off, which is pretty bad for trade relations. Also I don't hear anything from Palestinian voices on this issue. I also don't get what a veto could've possibly done to save them or help in anyway whatsoever

What is it called when you reject both TW and leftcom thought? is only genuine marxism left?

>>2567105
TW?

>>2567105
It means you are brain poisoned by digital sectarianism

>>2567126
Polemics is good actually
>>2567125
Third worldism

>>2566945
Good post. I definitely believe that Ukraine's plan was unironically to capture the Kursk NPP and use the threat of some kind of nuclear disaster as a deterrent in lieu of actual nuclear weapons, whether it completely failed at achieving that organically or because NATO was rightfully concerned that would be too close to themselves giving Ukraine a nuclear capability based on German Tanks In Kursk Again we'll never know.

But it is a somewhat interesting facet of proxy warfare, a radically unstable state charging headlong towards a Russian nuclear power plant to then threaten a disaster unless demands are met (that coincidentally benefit NATO primarily) is no doubt a dream scenario for the Victoria Nulands of the West, but because support for Ukraine has been massive and open rather than covert, that has surely limited Kiev's usefulness as a proxy to do things that would be impossible (due to MAD) for a NATO military anyway. Proxies are at their best for the Jakarta Method with plausible deniability for genocidal or otherwise illegal acts, Ukraine falls into a weird situation for a proxy where there's kind of the expectation that they ought to conduct themselves as a genuine NATO military fighting a war in civilised Europe rather than just Contras disappearing millions in a country that probably didn't even have birth certificates at the time, but they don't get the US Nuclear Umbrella deterrent of a genuine NATO military.

So yes it results via technicalities in NATO being able to get away with driving a Leopard tank slightly over the Russian border or firing ATACMS at the Russian military in Donbass, but that's really the limit of it. NATO are otherwise working under the same limitations as if this was an unfortunate, circumstantial breakout of hostilities between NATO and Russia that they don't want to lose but also want to keep contained. But in that case, why bother with an intentional proxy conflict at all if it has to be fought like an undesirable and risky conflict?

>>2566904
The rich getting pampered and worker's rights getting axed is the norm under bourgeois rule, they don't need a supposed threat from outside to do it. The bourgeoisie needs a real threat from the outside (such as a strong and massively armed up AES USSR right next to it) in order to allow the proletariat basic socdem "eurocommunism". The current major assault is just a continuation of the SPD/Green agenda during the early '00s when Berlin, Paris and Brussels were on good terms with neolib RU/Putin. In the 3rd round CDU, SPD and AfD will complete undoing everything that we achieved since the 1880s in terms of worker's rights and social welfare, in fact they're almost there.

>>2566981
yeah I'm just waiting for The Swedish Model to be completely dismantled. that will likely bring back the militant workers' movement which the Saltsjöbaden Agreement essentially killed in 1938

>>2566904
> but it's going to take years
we have to be honest about this because theres too many multipolar youtubers going around with clickbait titles like ITS OVER

>>2567001
It is over, but it will take time for people to either accept that SocDem’ism isn’t coming back or it’s no longer in living memory

>>2567004
Politics of ᴉuᴉlossnW are not political?

>>2566942
He was and is beloved by the pigs here because he repressed workers with beatings, destruction of the unions, etc. Plus it gave them (the pigs) a fuckton of money by selling italian gold.

>>2566942
Italians are retarded, just look at Moffin

Hype momments and aura, that's about it.

Its only true for internet lover who browser image boards any where else it's the opposite.

There are two types of "right wing". Ethnonationalist right and civic nationalist right. Ethnonationalist right are almost entirely white. Civic nationalist right are majority white, but does have some minorities in it.

The left in most countries has a much bigger minority presence, since the left is (or at least claims to be) the defenders of minority rights.

So in short OP you should take your hitlerite proganda and shove it up your ass. The ethnic nationalist right continues to be irrelevant, and the civic nationalist right continues to eat it's lunch and cuck it out of politics.

Most Westoid communists and socialists are just LARPy libs affected with white guilt.

A lot of people seem to be misreading OP's point about the right being disproportionately ethnic minority as implying that it is majority ethnic minority.
A single black Klansman is disproportionate, given the stated aims of the KKK!

>>2555036
per >>2546215
left-wingers have high cultural capital, while right-wingers have low cultural capital. this divide is more fundamental than the racial divide, which is why you get the ironic situation that low-cultural-capital ethnic minorities will team up with racists because racism, too, is a low status belief. meanwhile anti-racism is high-status, so you'll have an anti-racist communist org which is 100% white.

>>2555121
you're basically right in the second part, but the case of party leaders is muddied a little by events and general cultural stereotypes.
when a woman leads a socdem party, people think she's distrustworthy for showing desirable socdem traits like being caring, empathetic, etc. because these are all female stereotypes anyway, they serve as a disadvantage. meanwhile in a right-wing party, you have to show everyone that you're a sociopathic bastard - which neutralizes the feminine stereotypes.

as for ethnic minorities, in britain the case is more mixed. Welsh Labour and the SNP both had ethnic minority leaders who held public office (albeit briefly, because the Welsh one was a crook and the SNP one took some terrible advice and blew up his own coalition.) overlapping with Sunak, and even Sunak (unlike Thatcher) was electorally unsuccessful.

>>2555128
It's not hitlerite nonsense to talk about cultural capital. It's not some transcendent truth that certain races are high/low capital or anything like that. It's always culturally contextual.
It's most interesting to discuss precisely within the context of white people. What is the strongest predictor of how a white boy will vote? Well, in the data it's education, but if you're going by vibes, it's how cool he is. for a certain definition of cool. you might waPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2555036
What is your question?

Lol

>>2565994
ok sure, but do you know how hard it is to '[grow] an army that's big and strong enough to take them on'? you don't raise armies out of thin air, without the support of a state-like entity to facilitate logistics and production of necessary equipment.

with this in mind, you have basically just re-stated the most general goals of communist theory. the theory that 'seems like just useless distractions' to you are in fact mostly about the details of how to do exactly what you describe most effectively.

>>2565994
wow youre a fucking genius man

True.
>BUT HOW DO WE FIGHT AGAINST NUKES?
Porkies will never use WMDs because it'll greatly hurt their ability to juice the profits out of this planet. They won't let the chuds launch the nukes either. Even if we don't take control of nukes in the first few days or weeks, they still won't fly.