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🗽UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅
<Ronald McDonald Trump Edition

🏈 💵Thread for hellish discussion of the Dying Burger Reich and the pedophile Hitlerite-Zionist clique of the American bourgeoisie and its iron grip upon the greatest bigliest country McGod™ ever gave McMan™ on the face of the McEarth™🌭 🍔

>Things are going to continue to happen in the stupidest ways possible that no one really takes seriously, where every single person compulsively reacts with either cynical grifting or useless panic and appealing to a political system of liberal democracy that is entirely dead and irrelevant. things will continue to get gradually worse, more people will lose their jobs and homes, the most destitute and marginalized will be oppressed by state-backed domestic terrorism, but the decay will simply continue and everyone who isn't actively being imprisoned and forced into slavery or outright exterminated will simply ignore it and maintain a cognitive dissonance of believing a civil war is happening while living their lives in a mostly normal fashion. The death of the United States will be slow, painful, and insufferably annoying and stupid.

<Death to the scourge of the earth, the destroyer of nations, the father of fascism, the enabler of ethnostates, the treatlerite tyrant, the protector of pedophiles, the exporter of ecocide, the captain of capitalism, the king of coups, the sultan of sanctions, the emir of the embargo, the autocrat of austerity, the doge of deregulation, the baron of busting unions, the prince of privatization, the lord of loan sharks, the patron-saint of proxy wars, the sponsor of settlers, the guarantor of genocides, the invader of islands, the Divided $nakkkes of Amerikkka™

🛠️ Strike Tracker ⚒️
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🇺🇸 Deeds of the Burger Reich 🇺🇸
https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/us_atrocities.md
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>>2565952
>faux radical conveniently ignoring the soviets that were the cause of the revolution to begin with and pretend the Bolsheviks basically did it themselves
Impressive. You've invented a new level of commandism where you just deny the existence of the contending classes altogether

>>2565954
Considering the proles are voting for mamdani instead of taking up arms, I guess a lot longer

>>2565956
Its up to communists to provide proletarians with an alternative to capitalism. Thus far we have failed at this.

>>2565955
Sure, there's no soviets in the US and the Bolsheviks got caught with their pants down in the February revolution, but it's not like they'd been sitting on their ass all that time waiting for "social democrats to radicalize the movement by failing to achieve aims" they were actively organizing for the downfall of Tsarist Russia, for decades, which is why when the soviets were erected and the February revolution happened, they were able to overthrow the provisional government within a year. Conversely it's why the KPD in germany failed, because they had only split off from the SPD a relative short while ago and thus weren't prepared when the Councils were erected in germany

Idk where you're getting this idea from that I think that the Bolsheviks were the sole movers of the revolution and deny the existence of class conflict/struggle? Seems like a weird cope to bring in

>>2565956
That's it man, and in the mean time you'll kick back and order a couple more bigmacs yeah? Im sure one day you'll magically have "mass support", just a few more dacades/centuries

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>>2565796
You get the point uygha.

But ok, Taiwan is basically what if all the Cuomintang fled to Staten Island after the New York civil war and called themselves the real New York government. Nobody should be obligated to take that seriously.

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>>2565937
lol I can hear nafoids killing themselves

>>2565942
Nuh-uh! Rods of god! Secret hypersonic missiles, undocumented stealth bomber jets over the three gorges dam!

>>2565815
Can you imagine how people would talk if it where the opposite? If the Communists lost the war and were shuttled over to Taiwan by the USsR?



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I was curious to know what you guys thought about liberalism. Do you think it’s still opium of the masses take for example Donald Trump is a crypto fascist like what he did in Iran
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>>2549169
an issue is that "liberalism" is defined ipso facto (i.e. "liberalism" is a 19th century signifier). the earliest text i could find which references "liberalism" directly is andré vieusseux's "essay on liberalism" (1823), which i provide citation of here: >>2526253
his claim is that these "innovators" lack a cohesive theory of their own movement. they are not guided by a positive belief in liberty, but a negative belief against "stability". i then attempt to provide german idealist sources of a positive freedom, which appears linked to moral law and thus the liberal precedence of the supremacy of the legislative branch, as we see in england (i.e. "the rule of law", which evolves from habeas corpus to universal human rights). yet, kant still sees that for one to be free is not to be merely subject to law (e.g. dictatorship) but to submit oneself to the moral law as their own reason intuits it. thus, kant attempts to combine freedom and necessity, in what is later approximated by hegel. the earliest liberal ideas stress liberty and this seems to be its own end. yet there is the capitalist turn as smith identifies it (1776) between the class interest of the worker and the capitalist, where profits and wages compete against each other. the rise of socialism comes from.the french radicals, with pierre leroux first defining "socialism" twofold; saint-simonism and republicanism (i.e. liberty, fraternity, equality). proudhon had personal antagonism with leroux yet appears consistent in this republican idea (proudhon in 1849 revealing that his 3 intellectual "masters" were adam smith, hegel and the bible). marx on the other hand seems to have favoured saint-simonism (e.g. "the administration of things") and so came against the french republicans, with his theory of freedom (e.g. 1844 manuscripts) being the positive concept of humanism (communism) where contradictions end.

>>2524222
RELIGION is the opiate of the masses as Marx originally stated.
You're much more likely to get a liberal on your side than you are a religious person, at least in the west.
Look at the average American religious prole - they will vote against all of their class interests, knowingly, because of abortion.

>>2524381
>science of Marxism-Leninism
how to tell someone you don't understand or like science, marxism or leninism

>>2549169
>was to the American Republicanist model in particular.
imho this is also the secret sauce to talking to burgers abt socialism, every critique they've been taught was also something absolute monarchs said about the american revolution(muh huemon nature, republics only work on a small scale, muh democracy equals mob violence,muh divine hierarchy,etc)

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i was researching freemasonry, when i got to the "lansdowne MS" (1560) which is part of the "old charges" of the order (english masonry only officially beginning with the grand lodge in 1717). what struck me is the lexicon highlighted here:
<First, there is no reference of the word ‘Freemason’ or even ‘Free Mason’, only ‘Free born’.  This might suggest Free Mason was not yet in use in England.
https://www.thesquaremagazine.com/mag/article/202101lansdowne-ms/
this is interesting, since it reminds me of john lilburne's notion of an englishman's "freeborn" rights (1641-9). was liberalism a child of arcane masonry (such that later liberal revolutionaries openly adopted the doctrine)?



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A thread focused on discussing the parasocial relationships cultivated by the Almighty Algorithm to generate profit off of our atomization and society's commodification of petty internet drama.
Brace through the hyper-real lacanian void together!

Reminder That None of This Is Real!
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CORE THEORY
>The Society of the Spectacle (1967) by Guy Debord
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<The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction (1936) by Walter Benjamin

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>>2565550
It's too soon to judge? The man is doing self harm for views. His name is out there and I can't imagine doing this sort of stuff gets you much more than five minutes of fame. Either he makes it to celebrity or he sinks. Which leads me to believe that we haven't seen the worst of this guy.

He'll probably get ganked at some point, nobody will care about his white supremacist outrage, and then he'd be a sad chud.

>>2565620
This guy still exists? How? Why?

>>2565630
or maybe he will end up being endorsed by the DSA as a "working class" candidate for something

>>2565550
We already talked about this earlier in the thread.
He's a pussy and so are most of the black people in his videos, none of them will do shit this is just homoerotic faux masculinity insults from two men at one another who clearly want to have gay sex but repress it because of society.



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>Europoor

It's becoming increasingly clear that the majority of proles in Europe and North America are being brainwashed by their phones into believing immigration is the biggest issue in their countries. I have largely ignored this issue, as I don't really think it matters but then, last night, there was a lumpen riot in Dublin against an IPAS centre in which a foreign national who had been denied asylum and was told to "self-deport" had apparantly raped a 10 year old girl who was under state care. I usually don't believe a lot of the lies told about "migrants" online but this case makes me feel particularly uncomfortable.

It was a clear failure from the neoliberal Irish government and it's institutions that allowed something like this to happen. Why wasn't this man deported immediately after being denied asylum? Too expensive, apparently. Why was this man allowed to be in a situation where he could sexually abuse a child? Why is this man in my country in the first place? Ofc, the Free State institutions are keeping silent on it, pissing off people even more.

So, how do leftists feel about immigration and the current asylum process? Obviously, I understand this wouldn't be an issue if western corps weren't raping the third world but I also think there is a discussion to be had. Are open borders in the current world really working? Would they work post-capitalism? How do you feel about immigration, positively or negatively?
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>>2565908
>more like immigration restrictions should be forced upon the bourgeoisie whether they like it or not
By what means? Who controls the border? And if you have the means to do make the bourgeoisie do this, why are you not demanding mandatory unionization instead? Workers rights instead? Revolution instead? It's because you do not actually care for revolution, you care that you aren't being cut into the imperialist pie.
>dude just unionize the strikebreakers/immigrants bro
>yeah ok lol
So says every sucessful communist revolution and revolutionary the world over, so yeah. You'll go over high hill and batter anyone you have to in order to convince the bourgeoisie to reverse the course of capitalism, but at the prospect of committing even half that degree of effort toward unionizing workers, you shirk. All the energy and steps to get there, and you could have energized the people toward revolt. Instead? Opportunism, spinelessness, a liberal program of "reform". What do believe in? What are you convictions? Is it communism? Or is it recovering the temporary comfort you feel denied in a failing system, so your grandchildren can feast on your failures like generations two past did to you?

>>2565898
>its a defacto unorganized strike
No its not because a strike is something a group of employed people do in an organized fashion to receive concessions from their employer. Im not "defacto on strike" at the 900 000 000 other jobs that I didn't apply for when im working or when im unemployed.

>>2565908
OK Mr ᴉuᴉlossnW

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>>2565893
>Neither Marx nor Engels argued this
argued what? i made a few points. first, engels claims that the irish are competitors to the english:
<With such a competitor the English working-man has to struggle, with a competitor upon the lowest plane possible in a civilised country, who for this very reason requires less wages than any other. Nothing else is therefore possible than that, as Carlyle says, the wages of English working-man should be forced down further and further in every branch in which the Irish compete with him. And these branches are many. 
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1845/condition-working-class/ch06.htm
so this point is vindicated.
next, i say that its in the capitalists' interest to have an inflated labour market in england rather than a free ireland. lets read:
<the English bourgeoisie has also much more important interests in the present economy of Ireland. Owing to the constantly increasing concentration of leaseholds, Ireland constantly sends her own surplus to the English labour market, and thus forces down wages and lowers the material and moral position of the English working class.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1870/letters/70_04_09.htm
whats next? its in the mutual interest of the irish and english workers to have the irish repossess the nation from colonisers:
>The English working class will never accomplish anything before it has got rid of Ireland. The lever must be applied in Ireland.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1869/letters/69_12_10-abs.htm
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>>2565910
>That's not what happening, but regardless
it is whats happening, but regardless
>it's bourgeoisie at the levers offering the same wages in exchange for not having migrants come over.
The Bourgeoisie simply do not have the power or organisation to say "ok we won't bring in migrants anymore but wages are now being locked forever, and you may never ever switch to a higher paying job from another porky that crossed the picket line" this is nonsensical

> By arguing for border control as opposed to fighting for worker organization and unionization, we place the worker in the hands of the bourgeoisie. We are re-shuffled into a fight against the possible migrant, as opposed to playing with the reality of what we are dealt using what cards we have to fight against the bourgeoise. We end up in a race to fulfill the mythology of a "closed border" (as if "open borders" were even a thing to begin with) and become a slave to an unwinnable fight that concludes in a loss to workers everywhere. We become our own "strike breakers" and the only way to prevent that is to take the only path forward, and unite with migrant, demand the same rights for him, and so refute his, and our, immiseration.


fine, we shall continue to bang our heads against the same wall for another 50 years and watch leftism become completely repugnant to the western working class and allow porky to import as many immigrants as he pleases without any attempt to stop it whatsoever. I'm sure this won't result in the creation of a billion reactionaries

>dude just organize the strike breakers and we can have a revolution

ok go do that then if its so easy



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So I hadn't seen a thread about this yet. What are we thinking in regards to the latest anime flag protests happening in Mexico against the Sheinbaum government? Organic mass uprising? Part of a global wave of revolutionary struggle? CIA sponsored destabilization efforts against US rivals/enemies? Full on color revolution? You decide!
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>>2563818
About Mexico, this ammount to the ye olden phrase "when you go to a rally where nazis are welcomed, you are in a nazi rally"
>>2564950
About Peru, shit is reaaally bad. The lumpen is going wild on the pettybourg and the workers underneath. This creates social tension (the reputation of the police is on the ground, too many scandals and lumpen running wild).
Now, under Boluarte there were some warnings by the amerikkkan officials about the "chinese threat". But there is no "amerikkkan train" counterpart lmao. And Boluarte already gave them a Space Port near Ecuador

>>2564629
>the AmwriKKKan style culture war bullshit wasn't popular in Mexico
there are tons of mexican groypers lol. tiktok has also been filled with mexican chauvinist crap about comparing the GDP of guadalajara with lima, with like phunk music. i hope openAI goes bankrupt quickly so larry ellison is forced to sell tiktok because it's making some people insanely reactionary

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>>2564321
>You were the one who said we should be on the lookout for their response
Yes.
>their stances were rather uninspired
Fair in the case of the RCPN.
>I'll still trust/support the RCPN and others to take what opportunities they can from these events
Good.
>Success was never on the table, not in these protests at least
>The whole movement was a vague "anti-corruption" campaign that started out due to a ban on western social media platforms
>Nothing about it was communist or revolutionary.
You are looking at this one-sidedly and ignoring wider context. Reducing this to simply being incited by an attempted social media ban (as a lot of western media coverage has) is performing the same erasure of struggle as liberals do when they ignore all Palestinian history before Oct. 7th. Not saying you are the same overall as those zionists, but this is the same error in historical analysis. Remember, the masses are who make history. The spoiled brats who held that discord vote with the army were very clearly not the same class and social forces which had just burned government buildings and fought the army. There was a liberal element that was able to use this to defeat other liberals. There was also an eclectic worker element which was much more interested in tearing down the neoliberal apparatus in general and indiscriminately attacked state and corporate infrastructure and buildings. Nobody is claiming that the protests represented a revolutionary or organized communist force, but Lenin offers important words for looking at spontaneous moments like these:

>Strikes occurred in Russia in the seventies and sixties… and they were accompanied by the “spontaneous” destruction of machinery, etc. Compared with these “revolts”, the strikes of the nineties might even be described as “conscious”, to such an extent do they mark the progress which the working-class movement made in that period. This shows that the “spontaneous element”, in essence, represents nothing more nor less than consciousness in an embryonic form. Even the primitive revolts expressed the awakening of consciousness to a certain extent. The
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we got reports that a lot of the protesters were rallied and brought in packs by criminals linked to merchants who were threatened by local gangs who charge for protection if they didn't go to the protests;

https://x.com/FreddyOliviery/status/1989832913199010313

of the few Gen-z-ers that did go to the protest might be linked to a detained woman from Guadalajara named Daniela Toussaint who used to pimp minors in 2020

https://www.tvazteca.com/aztecauno/venga-la-alegria/notas-vla/notas/mario-bautista-acusado-abuso-sexual-daniela-toussaint-denunciantes

she was detained on the protests and are treating her like a victim now

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1MW3fxQMzm/

>>2565064
Thank you for your thoughtful response maoanon. I generally agree and I also wouldn't want to dismiss the grievances of the Nepalese working people. Of course there's something real, if a bit embryonic in these protests, otherwise they wouldn't happen. And I wouldn't want to be dismissive of any protests in principle, but I think it should be noted when these movements ARE coopted by liberals and that such things can happen extremely fast or in many cases are already predisposed to cooption. Popular resentment is a powerful force, porkies know this and they control the media landscape, thus molding the perceived outlets for that force in advance. I don't think it's a coincidence when we see these things happen in real time (the discord voting, the QR code banners in english, the "Gen Z" label, etc), that there is a certain alignment towards western interests. These factors should raise skepticism, while retaining solidarity with the working people regardless of course



 

"turns out conservatives and reactionaries are just dumb after all" edition.

news:
- Your Party is suing itself, more at 11.
- The SNP and Plaid are going to form a "progressive alliance" somehow
- The government's going to do a switcheroo by raising income tax slightly and cutting national insurance to balance it out. (But they won't - follow this to its logical conclusion and scrap NI entirely)
- They're also considering cutting VAT on energy bills (which is the least efficient way of lowering bills you can imagine)
- The board of deputies asked Aston Villa for free footy tickets. In a worrying sign of rising antisemitism, Aston said nah.
- Labour is falling behind the Greens in the opinion polls as their strategy of copying Reform drives away their already-begrudging supporters without winning over any Reform voting reprobates. Nobody could have predicted this.
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>>2565905
Kek

>>2565874
Drugs have historically been used to cripple exploited communities with revolutionary potential such as China and black neighborhoods. Theres no good reason for a state to allow citizens to shoot themselves in the foot instead of enlisting them in productive labor, and with hard drugs, these are mutually exclusive long term. You retarded liberal

>>2565912
should we ban alcohol?

>>2565874
Childlike take. It affects both the wider society and the addict incredibly negatively, and even the drug dealer wouldn't be doing it if they had access to real jobs.

>>2565922
you what? 🤣
a drug dealer makes bread; a wage slave makes crumbs - why would they work in an office instead?

>>2565925
>a drug dealer makes bread; a wage slave makes crumbs
You live in a fantasy-land. May i recommend quetapine?



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How do you reconcile that this revisionist is responsible for China being the only hope left for socialists? What does China‘s success change about Marxist thought?
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>>2525146
Whever i read a Xi quote, its in the bob's burgers voice now
(i know thus isnt actually a xi quote lol)

>>2565726
You can just admit you lost the argument anon, it's fine we won't laugh at you. No need to bring out your thought terminators

Chinaman are pragmatic people, they deal with the necessity born by reality

>>2522744
>China being the only hope left for socialists
citation needed

>>2565892
I buy it. Whenever I look into Chinese socialism it‘s always
>We need X so we will do Y
<5 years later
>We now have X after we did Y
There isn‘t much abstract theory involved



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