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>>2582113
>>2582118
You underrate the importance of staking out a general vibes-based position. Reform got away with obviously-not-happening economic policies (and Farage's recent "oh yeah there won't be big tax cuts after all" speech is the final forewarning that they're an establishment party, not an anti-establishment party) because they stake out the right general direction for some of the people they're trying to appeal to.
If every other party is saying you can't nationalize anything, there are merits to saying "nationalize everything" over saying "um, maybe renationalize the railways… like labour have already claimed to do… uhh…. you know if it's not too much trouble, we used to have public water too… maybe… oh… the bond markets don't like that? nevermind then…", you help drag the overton window in a direction where "nationalize something" is a sensible compromise rather than deranged ultraleftist wilsonite deviationism.

The left will not be taken seriously by the press whether it goes for option #1 or option #2. 1, however, is much easier to defend so long as you don't really care that you're bullshitting or going for a headline-catching maximallist "in 100 years" type demand because you know what you're really holding out for in 2029 is making a referendum on parliamentary sortition your condition for entering into coalition with the greens. It gives you the hammer that magically turns things into nails.
yeah yeah she's just running her mouth and not thinking it through, but the actual president of the USA uses the same strategy. maybe it'll crash and burn, but at least it's crashing and burning in a new way compared to re-running 2019.

>>2582211
This is kinda what I think about it.

Also the right has a broad smorgasboard of options to choose from for every indentation on the spectrum right from "hmmm dunno about those small boats, maybe unregistered people shouldn't be arriving in large numbers with no real processing mechanism" all the way to "send back everyone who can't trace their ancestry to william the conquerer, and then send them back as well, because he was french"

like that, they can energize different groups of people at different levels of radicalisation and get them engaged.

We've got our own centerists - the labourites, unfortunately, then you've got your well meaning normies with the right idea - the greens.

Now we've got the mass militant base - your party

and then the various sects provide the hardcore ideological debates that the rest don't engage with but are influenced by.

We've been missing that your party link between the normie base and the autists for a long time, which is why I am now entering bloomer era.

>>2582211
Im exactly agreeing with this anon, we should be saying what we mean and fighting back against those who doubt we should nationalize everything.

Let the people who are against it show who they are, enough of the sidestepping around what we actually want.

>>2581913

This is a pretty good post about the democratic socialists and I believe the author was one of the writers of their model constitution.

The problem is he's really idealistic about the Democratic Socialist faction and claiming they aren't going to fall into the same traps as other left sects, when they literally allied with the SWP before conference.

https://exmultitude.substack.com/p/towards-a-vanguard-without-vanguardism

A true incel would have never simped out to an uppity woman like Corbyn did, I hope people have learned their lesson here.

>>2581752
>>2581754
how are brazilians rightoids handling the situation?

>>2581755
They are in the "trust the plan" phase. Opportunists are trying to launch themselves as an "heir" to Bolsonaro's legacy while his family tries to keep the cohesion. Truth is, Lula is in a much more comfortable position with him in jail, as no alternative to Bolsonaro can match his popularity.

Call me when that dwarf stops cucking the brazilian working class (showed no solidarity when there was mass mobilization to end 6 day work week) and breast feeding bankers, speculators and rentiers.

>>2581759
>his family tries to keep the cohesion
His family who?
His wife just messed up their plans for Ceará state, sparking Mr. former-4th-International-superstar's fury.

>>2581754
lol not a chance, I don't think they will release him but even if they do, his political powers are revoked and he can't run for anything until at least 2030. Someone from his family or some other oportunist close-ish to him will take his spot - I'm hoping his wife goes for it because all of Bolsonaro's sons absolutely despise her and that would be a pretty funny situation

>>2582233
Fine. Reading theory doesnt make one immune tho

>>2581953
>It will be over in a month, tops
Okay but he goes first

>>2581841
I don't understand the utility behind forcing her to read such a statement. Extracting a regular apology would have been enough to make his point, this just makes him look bad.

>>2582071
lol

>>2581262
>looking for emotional connection
<look inside
<blatant cheating apologia
>>2581278
nobody is "forcing" them to be promiscuous, they just want to have a convenient excuse for their novelty-seeking

>>2581416
nah they still would be they would just make up arbitrary early marx late marx bs like they already do

>>2581476
The only difference between Marx and Lenin is the material conditions. Lenin = Marx.

>>2581523

>1.Vanguard Parties
>You aren’t supposed have them period.
3. Marx’s hope for russia
>because reasons.

As capitalism experiences a crisis of profitability, two things can happen. Either the concrete members of the bourgeoisie, petit-bourgeoisie and professionals surrender to monopoly capitalism by allowing themselves to be cannibalised by monopolies and/or seeking employment from these monopolies. What is technically counted profit is really from the standpoint of the economy as a whole functions as monopoly rent. This is primarily facilitated by stock markets in our day, where value flows from the real economy to the fictitious economy and monopolies.

The other option is a socialist revolution. This has already happened in China. The Chinese government holds a huge stake in the economy and has the political power and will to nationalize companies that seek to turn into monopolies. This is described by President Xi as the fight against "the disorderly expansion of capital". Look at how Jack Ma's attempts to break the state monopoly on banking was handled or how the recent real estate crisis where the companies responsible were forced to take the fall instead of getting a bailout and allowing their monopolistic behaviour to continue.

The Chinese stock market does not facilitate the outflow of value from the real economy. As a whole it doesn't appreciate in value, it always stays constant. Its only function is to force companies to be accountable to the general public, as the ratio of small investors is much greater and to allow people to legally gamble.

>>2582022
who cares

>>2573205
yes

Привет, пиздюки

It seems that there really is no escape from Dickblast. I ain't even mad.

>>2573816
АНАЛитическая пидоросня

>>2581779
One thing when you read about how the core of the Falangists' support were "students," this is the 1930s in Spain we're talking about where that coded strongly right-wing, sons of aristocrats, etc.

Another odd thing that doesn't get brought up much is aviation. The fascists were enthralled by aviation and there were famous aviators in different countries that joined fascist parties. In the Spanish case it was Julio Ruiz de Alda Miqueleiz (later shot by anarchists).

>>2581727
There's a funny moment where the Falange gets invited to ᴉuᴉlossnW's attempted "Fascist International" but Jose Antonio reiterated that Falangism isn't Fascism. Allegedly some of the anger that came from his followers was based on him being way less willing to commit to offensive violence when they really wanted to crack skulls. I think Ledesma actually used this as a critique of him and Mosley, that they were "soft" aristocrats who were concerned with high-minded ideals whereas the more "radical" and "working class" types (closer to Lumpen imo) wanted to beat people to death.

This sort of reminds me of how you'd previously get this divide in the right where establishment politicians would vaguely gesture towards whatever brainworms their base had, but wouldn't actually believe in them. Like they'd talk about small government and maybe throw a bone to the freaks that think the government is using chemtrails to make them gay. Well there'd be flare ups of contempt in the base because these "soft" old money WASP types want to do things like tort reform whereas they want a real shit-kicker who'll bring back corporeal punishment in schools. It's like "we don't give a fuck about your gay-ass business grant scheme, we want to elect the guy that stands outside of the local mosque screaming slurs"

>>2581726
So something about "rejuvenation" of the Bourgeoisie according to Sorel, as I understand it it's less "Oh they'll be better" so much as that when actual class conflict and violence declines, the Bourgeoisie sort of fall into mindless hedonism. Look at Musk, look at Altman, look at all these billionaires. They're jerking themselves off on pie-in-the-sky ideas, they're lazy, they're self-absorbed. The "rejuvenation" of the Bourgeoisie is more or less their class necessarily having to get its shit together to survive open class war. Elon Musk can't keep shitposting while paying Chinese dudes to play Path of Exile 2 for him when there's a genuine threat of open warfare from the proletariat, and if he tries he'll get his Darwin award. This isn't just localized either, the entire Bourgeoisie as a class would get a wake up akin to how a quiet suburb might be on guard if there's a brutal murder in their neighborhood.

Its less "theyPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

Nothing.

>>2582240
holy based

>>2582281
spain did not recognise israel until 1986

>>2582182
The CPUSA literally said that ww2 and the rise of Hitler was actually Rosa fault for not working with Ebert. This is total revisionism. This is fascist line par excellence

>>2582180
>>2582184
both can be true
if they were honest they could just come out and say "we think the best strategy right here and right now is to be the left wing of fascism" and most people here would agree

>>2582245
>>2582194
Put your trip back on felix

>>2582263
Yeah, it's called Marxism

>>2582180
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHHA

You "Asians" are so funny. My Grandpa's brother worked pro-bono to introduce you all to birth-control.

Jakarta takes #1 spot as largest city in the world

>>2407507
Yeah bro that woman and guy are three metres tall. Why are "white" americans so annoying when it comes to asians and other brown people? We in Europe don't do that shit, I think it stems from american inferiority complexes towards white Europeans.

>>2574007
not a thred for your family history, shut up.

>>2407507
sexpats