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TOMORROW NOTHING HAPPENS
CHILE ELECTION 2025
<The spectre of nothing is haunting America
The candidate of the communist party who is watering down to appeal to milder socialdemocrats and others is leading the polls. Next to her are 3 rightwingers, all bastard sons of Bolso and Drumpf
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>>2597720
No I'm pretty sure reactionaries did this

>>2597747
if by reactionaries you mean the center left then yes

>>2597747
lmfaoooooooooo ok retard, even radlibs are realizing (four years late btw) all the fuckups of boric and co
https://www.theclinic.cl/2025/12/14/la-serie-de-errores-que-cometio-el-gobierno-de-gabriel-boric-que-pavimento-el-camino-para-la-holgada-victoria-de-su-antiguo-rival-republicano/
this article doesnt even get into all the laws they approved that give the police even more power to do whatever they want

>>2597128
>>2597203
yeah radlibs cant make fun of/blame proletarians this election lol

Even if Jeanette Jara lost, a communist getting 40% of the vote in a presidential election is still impressive.

I wonder when Chilean "left wing" politicians will take the side of the proletarian and not the criminal lumpen.

People distrust the left because its supposed to be for the working class but it always cucks the working class in favor of the lumpen. Criminals are always called "victims of society" as if the proles had it any good. So your boss steals half your wage by contractual bullshit and then the lumpen steals the other half at knifepoint. And then you have the rightoids pretending to take the side of the worker against the lumpen and easy as that they get all the votes while the left goes "but the ppppoooooor criminal is a victim of society we need to have eeeeempathy". Lol, lmao(American anons, in Chile "lumpen" isnt dogwhistle for "black" so stop hyperventilating).



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>>2597653
Multipolaroids too dumb to realise you are making fun of the "socialism is inherently chinese" retards LMAO

>>2597872
Islamist gonna islamist. Then they cry adventurism when a retard kills Kirk. Mangione is infinitely more of a hero than those nationalist moralist ""pro-palestinians"".

>>2597889
yeah, I read the rest of your post. their particular German chauvinist opinions are irrelevant to the general laws they articulated. Kwame Ture once repudiated the idea that Communism is a "white thing" (or, more specifically a German thing) by using the exact same point I made: It doesn't matter who discovers, articulates, and formalizes the articulation of a particular physical, social, or economic "law of motion" , all that matters is that it operates independently of whosoever discovers it. Does that make sense? I hope I am making sense. This isn't sophistry, this is common sense. A "non German mind" could easily have discovered or articulated the same things. The Hegelian mode of expression in Capital notwithstanding.

>>2597894
I don't think he's being satirical based on his hostile response to this: >>2597884




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"Trot To Neocon Pipeline"

Is it real or just a meme?
Is there a kernel of truth to it?
What is the origin of the phrase?
Is this just about Burger Neocon New Atheists like Shistuffer Bitchens or is there more to it?
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>>2597772
Can you please provide an example of of a leftist/communist party in a developed country that does have 'a working class base'?

>>2597883
Can I give a few examples from the last century or does it have to be currently?

There’s a kernel of truth in that being a contemporary anti-AES western leftist and adopting the ideologies that broke with those that prevailed in the USSR, always had the goal of anti-Sovietism which is only a skip and a hop from being anti-Communist in general. You become a Trot, a Maoist, a Hoxaist, etc to be the good socialist while those figures are lauded by the western bourg for being principled in being anti-Soviet, but when the Cold War ended there was no need for principled “good” anti-Soviet communists and thus the good socialists became the sensible, matured and enlightened neo-con.
Smart enough in their youth to have seen the flaws of the Soviet Union unlike those primitive working class dogmatists, but wisened by shocking revelations about what they inadvertently were supporting via Trotsky, Mao, Hoxha, that Peruvian guy, etc.

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What Maupin tries to push is the idea that neocons are warlike and also socially liberal, so somehow Trotskyists took over conservatism (from nice, pleasant, socially-conservative isolationist paleocons… don't mention the racism and Axis sympathies) and began wearing conservatism like a skinsuit. But I don't think that's accurate for a couple of reasons.

From what I understand about neoconservatives, they were originally more focused on domestic policy than foreign policy (which was added in a bit later), and regarded themselves as morally serious defenders of "Western civilization." It's all dour and moralfaggy with them in that way. They're skeptical if not hostile to New Left social movements. Okay, Douglas Murray is gay, but he is not supportive of "gender ideology." They believe religion has a role to play in maintaining order, which is a really intellectualizzed way to come around to a religion. Christopher Hitchens didn't like religion but he wasn't a typical neoconservative, who is more like Murray.

Also, I don't think Trotskyism was ever into this hedonistic sex-positive stuff to begin with. I mean mid-20th century Trotskyism that you'd find in the Spartacist League or some group like that. They didn't suddenly become prudes, they already were. You can find a ton of heat aimed at identity politics from Trotskyist groups. Meanwhile nobody has ever talked about an anarchist-to-neocon pipeline from anarchists who really were libertines.

Trotsky was as neocon as he was fascist



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How can communists in the imperial core be normal?

Not really sure how to explain the problem. It just seems in general like there's an extreme lack of interpersonal skills, patience, pragmatism and empathy for others. IDK just seems very dysfunctional.
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>>2594827
Shut up anarkiddy diaper fur

>>2591221
You nailed it on the head. I've learned from experience that people IRL get uncomfortable or annoyed when you go off energetically about political stuff, even if they do agree with your positions, so being aggressive about that stuff in normal social situations is guaranteed to turn people off.

Also, to add to this, I feel like because of this situation we're ultimately all liberals to some degree (insert demsoc pot calling the kettle black joke here). I don't wanna go too much into the whole "you're not a real leftist unless you're an actual organizer" thing, but I don't label myself as a democratic socialist, communist, marxist, etc. because it doesn't feel like I've earned that label. I'd usually say I'm left-leaning, a social democrat, maybe even left-wing due to how online the modern left is (especially in the first world).

>>2594827
Normies are irritating but ultimately we need them on our side against the capitalists.

>>2595655
Inahte that we call the unawakened masses normies, it's cringe r*ddir shit

>>2595040
the average anarkiddy diaperfur is a better person and a better communist than the average /leftypol/ user to such an extent that the mere comparison is an insult to the former. and it's not because they're particularly good communists…



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Socialist
>Emmm END OF HISTORY is le wrong amirite?

Actual Fukuyama
>Everybody will eventually learn to love liberalism because the atomized liberal subject who is free to set up whatever they want as their identity/being and be validated for it is the least bad model for every ideological tendency out there

If you actually read about Fukuyama what he said is legit what a lot of lib leftoids (and rightoids who want to have individual space where they can identify as an agarthan superman) wants society to look like. They say they want community or "a village", but in the end what these liberals perceieve as a "community" is a libertarian association that ultimately serve to empower the individuals that is the end all be all of politics. Regardless of whether its rightoid politics who tell impressionable young men that they can larp as macho hunters in a warband with women all over them as long as they spend enough time doing the based ritual or leftoid anarchist who misinterpret the Deluzian rhizome all of you guys unconsciously pivot to Francis's position
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>>2597739
I think you mistake something anon, Fukuyama isn't necessarily advocating for capitalist social relations (although that is part of his thrust), which indeed is unable to response to long term disruptions as Marx remarked. Rather Fukuyama is defending what i called the worldview of capitalism, where people are atomized individuals who picked their own identities and the ultimate goal of this identity building is "being true to yourself/your conscience". (This applies to trads too, being a trad in a secular society isn't being a trad, it's being an individual, real medieval trads adjust their beliefs based on their village and shit).
Fukuyama's argument is that nobody wants to move away from this atomizing way of life into the more collective ones like Marx's conception of the overwhelming uniform mass of the declassed, because we all deep down want our special snowflake identities to be validated and thus we benefit from the current liberal idpol status.
For example, third worldists do not want to abandon religion and insist on keeping as part of the struggle against capitalism. First worlders do not want to sacrifice the treats they get even though the third world workers outnumber them and thus the latter should've been accorded more importance than the former. Gay and queer comrades do not want to hide their identities and throw it under the bus even though that will objectively make our movement more palatable to heteronormative workers that way outnumber queer people in this world. This is called intersectionality, and i'm not saying that it is bad, in fact i benefit from this arrangement (i am a religious/spiritual third worldists), but intersectionality imo is just living proof that Fukuyama is right about nobody wanting to move on from the atomized individual models of liberalism

>>2597730
>there's nothing wrong with individualism per-se, the problem with capitalism is that it inadequately facilitates individualism. the problem with rightoid individualism is that it ultimately serves either capitalism or killeveryoneism.
That's what I've always said. People assume a dichotomy between "individualism and collectivism" with capitalism on one end and communism on the other. But communism is not this "collectivist" repudiation of the individual, like Lolbertarian randroids exist, nor is capitalism repudiation of the collective. What Marx pointed out was that Capitalism socializes the production process but keeps the ownership private. So Capitalism is incomplete socialization. Proletarian association necessarily occurs due to the cooperation of proletarian individuals to carry out proletarian revolution. There is no collective action without individual willpower. Each prole in the real movement must independently arrive at the same conclusion through a historical materialist analysis. The individual is still very much in play.

>>2597824
It's a strong argument and certainly that social tendency has taken place, but ultimately class struggle and the need for imperialism (not even mentioning all the other contradictions of capitalism to be) invalidates this, even if it can be the case for a period of time. Fukuyama tacitly admits as much himself
>>2597867
That doesn't really mean much, and your premise is a bit skewed in the first place. Semi-individual identity and interests have existed for as long as man exists. And most of the specific things you mention exist only insofar as the social context of capitalism enables them to and forces them to exist. So capitalist social relations are in fact the key factor in the argument you make, and they condition our worldviews.

>>2597877
>to be
*to be brief

>>2597867
This atomizing individualism did not exist beforehand. It was imposed by liberal society and the liberal state as they evolved over time, as a conscious/unconscious attempt to thwart the socialization of society that would lead to communism. This evolution was very successful, but deprived bourgeois society of the collectivity it needs to respond to current day economic and social crises. Hence the global crisis of legitimacy facing liberal democracies today, and the slide towards despotism which is taking place across the Americas and Europe.



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>Couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.
>You must answer the question to make a new thread. See the last field.
>The body was too short or empty.
6-2=????
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>>2597746
The passage of time, Bossman
Opinions evolve (unless you are an invariant Bordigist retard)

uhhhh leftybritbros what is this survey I'm getting? am I being used as outsourced border patrol labour?

>>2597773
I mean doesn't change the fact he is a CPB member now which is a unionist party. Not attacking him per-se its just funny.

>>2597819
Labour gov working out how to best be strategically racist.

>>2597726
Simple as



 

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>>2597674
There was a protest many months back when a synagogue hosted a closed event for one of the Israeli military tech companies, but also kept part of it open for locals. Protesters had to be down the road. One of the local Jewish women arrives in a keffiyah saying they wanted to visit their synagogue and the cops got bamboozled.

I think the visibility of anti-Zionist Jewish community members is important. The Jewish Council of Australia has done alright at getting into media (at least the centrist media I've read) and I'm glad this lady was able to get a quick statement to the media on camera.

Tim Cahill and that's it? Shame barbs

>>2597517
>so possibly Lashkar-e-Taiba involvement?
What makes you think that? Are all Pakistanis involved with Lashkar-e-Taiba? Its not like this needed extensive planning beyond two people. They probably just did this themselves. Its not difficult to acquire firearms, stake out a target etc.

>>2591443
This has to be a joke. Anyone who uses the word naarm should be castrated

>>2596869
People do this here too. Years ago leftypol was a bastion against identity politics, now half the cunts here are active promoters



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>>2597804
Liberalism: A Counter History

>>2597379
i love how the american politics have co-opted the european politics.

>>2597833
always have since 1945

>>2597406
"The most dangerous people of all in this respect are those who do not wish to understand that the fight against imperialism is a sham and a humbug unless it is inseparably bound up with the fight against opportunism

>>2597830
If those prerequisite states (such as capitalism) are somehow wrong, then communism is correcting a historical wrong. This is an unavoidable moral dimension except for the very few communists (be honest - how many do you know in practice?) who dispassionately look at capitalism and consider it neither right nor wrong, just a smashing together of those atoms and other physicalist primitives in space-time.



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