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I think the most cringe thing to come out of this conflict is the fact that slacktivism is usually harmless (as harmless as inaction gets anyway) and people get to do the whole “raising a rebel fist” thing online while feeling like good people for raising awareness about Kony, but this time around they’re raising a rebellious fist while claiming on the behalf of Ukrainians that they’d rather be exterminated than submit and actively arguing with Ukrainians who disagree with that assertion.

Will the penny drop for them one day and understand that wasn’t a good thing to do, they’re not good people to have spent years convincing themselves and others that Ukraine will eat anything and ask for seconds? Handwaving every indication that the conflict is ruinous for Ukrainians because English-speaking-Ukrainian-military accounts online tell them Ukrainians are glad to fight they just need a bus ride to the recruitment centre?

I sometimes wonder if Russia was more like Venezuela, Syria or Palestine if the "both-sidists" and interimperialist-war types would support Russia. If it were actually weak and crumbling undedr sanctions and military pressure, officials and soldiers jumping ship, and bound to lose and to be balkanized by US and European militaries and oil and mining companies, like the brussels ghouls drooled in 2022. Then the radlib menace would see a another hopeless cause bound to martyrdom under boot of western imperialism, then they would support Russia. But it isn't doing that, because it has strength to fight back it makes things messy and therefore Russia is not pure or worth their support or impotent prayers and that makes it "interimperialist war".

Or maybe it's this "Russia shot first" fallacy. Where despite Ukraine being openly a nazi state and a death cult wrapped together. you can still say that the not just the people, but the political entity of Ukraine is somehow a victim in all of this by being attacked and therefore right in whatever it's cause is. You can't maybe openly support Ukraine, but you can still say that maybe they aren't that bad, and the people drumming up support for Ukraine in the west might be ok people.

>>2576427
They 100% would. In fact, they did, and why that Lithuanian piece of shit no longer posts here.

>>2576427
ICP consider those interimperialist conflicts

>>2576427
>I sometimes wonder if Russia was more like Venezuela, Syria or Palestine if the "both-sidists" and interimperialist-war types would support Russia.
if Trump attacks Venezuela they'll be cheering because muh Russia/China ally, and muh not real communists. They want the US empire to reassert unipolarity, and for no one to meaningfully resist it unless they are a properly "communist" force, as defined by the both-sider communist purity test (which no force capable of meaningful resistance would ever pass).
If you're not le proper communist could be supported by you have to not be an important ally of the improper not-communists and also be weak and getting btfo (like Gaza). If you're strong and can fight the imperialist, you're an imperialist and should be opposed.



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Neuigkeiten

<Unpünktlich wie die Eisenbahn; verspätet auf maroden Strecken zu hohen Preisen: DB-Konzern überbietet jedes Jahr seine Negativrekorde

https://www.jungewelt.de/artikel/503080.versp%C3%A4tungen-bei-der-bahn-unp%C3%BCnktlich-wie-die-eisenbahn.html
<Rot gewinnt; Präsidentsschaftskandidatin in Chile ist von der KP
https://www.jungewelt.de/artikel/503066.kommunisten-rot-gewinnt.html

<Gideon Levy über Massaker der israelischen Armee an Hungernden in Gaza

https://www.jungewelt.de/artikel/503098.dokumentiert-gideon-levy-%C3%BCber-massaker-der-israelischen-armee-an-hungernden-in-gaza.html

<NATO-Manöver am Niederrhein: Kriegsvorbereitung statt Sicherheit

https://www.rf-news.de/2025/kw27/nato-manoever-am-niederrhein-kriegsvorbereitung-statt-sicherheit

<Parteitag der DKP

https://www.unsere-zeit.de/live-ticker-vom-26-parteitag-der-dkp/
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>>2575894
Die Genozid-Unterstützung und die unkluge Verteilung des Haushalts sind unschön - keine Frage. Allerdings ist dies nicht die Entscheidung des gesamten deutschen Volkes, sondern des Regierungskartells. Ginge es in "unserer Demokratie" tatsächlich um die Belange des Volkes, würden viele Dinge ganz anders gestaltet werden. Denk mal drüber nach.

>>2576350
Das wäre ein gutes Argument, bloß zeigen Biodeutsche mehr Engegement sich über Heitzungspreise zu beschweren, als sich für einen aktiven Genozid an Pro-Palästina Demos zu beteiligen. Selbst wenn der Durchschnittsdeutsche keine Kontrolle über seine Regierung hat, ist das allgemeine Desinteresse an der unterrepräsentierten Beteiligung zu sehen.

>>2576417
stimmt. jedes wochenende demos mit tausenden von teilnehmern der heizungspreise wegen. du spacken.

>>2576423
Oh je.. Ihr könnt euch eure Haarspalterei nicht verkneifen. Wie soll man bei einer so autistischen Pedantik durchdringen?

Dein Volk weist mehr Zuwendung auf, wenn es um Probleme geht, die weitaus weniger wichtig sind als ein Genozid, der momentan stattfindent und an dem eure eigene Regierung involviert ist. Willst du dich weiter dummstellen?

>>2576428
>Dein Volk
lmao. bin ich moses oder was?



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>"I shouldn't be shamed for not living up to capitalist society's expectations of me, I should be allowed to be my authentic self without being criticized and I shouldn't have to change myself based on some arbitrary capitalist standard"

This seems to be the sentiment that dominates the minds of zoomers and most millennials that drives them towards the left whether we want to admit it or not. This is what makes a lot of younger people under 40 embrace anti-capitalist politics, question social norms that are the superstructure of modern capitalism, become anti-eugenics, embrace new identity groups, and so on. Look no further than Tumblr from the mid 2010s or TikTok today. My question is, why haven't any communist or socialist parties been able to gather these types of people up? The DSA's entire strategy is simply economistic "healthcare and unions" babble that they weaponize to push the Democrats further to the left. Yet we shouldn't forget that the millennial left (namely, the people who participated in the anti-war movement in the 2000s and Occupy in 2011-12) all folded into DSA by the end of the 2010s. So why can't the DSA bring in those frustrated zoomers from TikTok, the ones who make videos on queerness and unmasking autism and mental health and why nearly all romantic relationships are inherently predatory or whatever? Maybe if the people on that platform were in a political party they'd have actual pragmatic political goals.
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>>2576422
So you two believe that appealing to trauma is the way to socialism?

>>2576438
No, that wasn't what I said at all.
I'll just quote what I already wrote so you can reread it, I guess. My point is simply to acknowledge its existence and not try to admonish people for being in possession of it. That doesn't necessitate some kind of capitulation to it or a primary centering of it. I explicitly made a point which suggest otherwise already.
As stated,
"I do think that a proper communist politics will, *in a downstream sense*, naturally sublate away some of the sociopolitical barriers which hamstring the people who are authentically suffering. From each according to his ability, to each according to their need… and potentially, these attributes can change in the context of a less atomized/alienated society which is more focused on resources of empowerment."
(emphasis on 'in a downstream sense')

>>2576441
*not to try and admonish people, typo mb it's late

>>2576441
Oh, and my other point was meant to suggest that not all trauma is qualitatively the same. There's a large, qualitative/categorical difference between histrionic people who are trying to leverage their trauma and people who are medically afflicted with C-PTSD.

>>2576443
(This is because C-PTSD is a medical condition which occurs as a neurological *reaction* to trauma, it isn't trauma itself, it's what happens inside of the body of people who are particularly effected, usually due to exceptional severity of circumstance and maybe some kind of sensitive predisposition, although that latter point is speculative.)



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🗽UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

<Black Friday Edition


🏈 💵Thread for hellish discussion of the Dying Burger Reich and the pedophile Hitlerite-Zionist clique of the American bourgeoisie and its iron grip upon the greatest bigliest country McGod™ ever gave McMan™ on the face of the McEarth™🌭 🍔

>Things are going to continue to happen in the stupidest ways possible that no one really takes seriously, where every single person compulsively reacts with either cynical grifting or useless panic and appealing to a political system of liberal democracy that is entirely dead and irrelevant. things will continue to get gradually worse, more people will lose their jobs and homes, the most destitute and marginalized will be oppressed by state-backed domestic terrorism, but the decay will simply continue and everyone who isn't actively being imprisoned and forced into slavery or outright exterminated will simply ignore it and maintain a cognitive dissonance of believing a civil war is happening while living their lives in a mostly normal fashion. The death of the United States will be slow, painful, and insufferably annoying and stupid.

<Death to the scourge of the earth, the destroyer of nations, the father of fascism, the enabler of ethnostates, the treatlerite tyrant, the protector of pedophiles, the exporter of ecocide, the captain of capitalism, the king of coups, the sultan of sanctions, the emir of the embargo, the autocrat of austerity, the doge of deregulation, the baron of busting unions, the prince of privatization, the lord of loan sharks, the patron-saint of proxy wars, the sponsor of settlers, the guarantor of genocides, the invader of islands, the Divided $nakkkes of Amerikkka™

🛠️ Strike Tracker ⚒️
https://striketracker.ilr.cornell.edu/

🇺🇸 Deeds of the Burger Reich 🇺🇸
https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/us_atrocities.md
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>>2576314
hwhich hwone?

>>2576296
I think just pointing out how much the problem is the rich, flying around in private jets and stuff

>>2576307
The premises of stageism don't even apply today, so there's pretty much no need to BTFO it further, it was devised as a theory for agrarian "semi-feudal" economies in the 20th century in the first place

>>2576416
China is stageist.

>>2576434
China is just running on the fumes of ML legitimacy because the leadership wishes to keep the current system going and has no idea what comes next, because alternative tendencies within the party have long since been purged. There's a body of theory behind it I've seen on /PRC/, which made me think they would follow through, but rather than going through the road map of stages I think they're just going to commit a USSR at some point in the coming decades.



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A thread focused on discussing the parasocial relationships cultivated by the Almighty Algorithm to generate profit off of our atomization and society's commodification of petty internet drama.
Brace through the hyper-real lacanian void together!

Reminder That None of This Is Real!
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CORE THEORY
>The Society of the Spectacle (1967) by Guy Debord
📖 • https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/debord/society.htm
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0blWjssVoUQ

<The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction (1936) by Walter Benjamin

📖 • https://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/ge/benjamin.htm
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>>2576338
tbf what counts as respectful or offensive is very culturally malleable. Part of the problem is all these different cultural groups and people having their own separate versions. That's why a few years ago you'll get the meme of some women complaining about men's wider stances on trains when there are no agreed upon rules governing exactly how much space people are allowed to take up on a train in the first place. These women are assuming certain rules of taking up public space and then complains when people violate rules most people don't agree even exist. It then seems funny or overreacting to most the population but within the their cultural understanding framed by feminism it seemed to be a purposeful violation of rules by men.

Basically what we need is someone to put down a bunch of very clear social rules that applies to everyone which makes it obvious when someone violates them. No micro aggression, passive aggression, disrespect or humiliation can be mistakenly crossed after that. It would have to actually be purposeful.

Alright now fellas,
>Yeah!
What's cooler than being cool?
>Lady Izdihar looking like Anne Hathaway!

>>2576292
Oh hey I'm in those articles being called a pseudo-leftist.
By the way the SEP are banned from most protests here after picketing union strikes. Luckily they're just a handful of demented retirees who can be easily brushed away IRL.


>>2576242
Did they build and train their own model or are they using some open source shit, fine tune a bit and call it a day?

I'm amazed how putting a chat bot ontop of what formerly was done by a search engine is seen as bleeding edge technology and not pointless idiocy.



 

/US-Venezuela war/ #2
>Tired of the re-runs edition
>>2440521 Previous thread
https://archive.ph/4Dq3L Thread 1 Archive

The Real Reason the USA Is Attacking Latin America
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcWH-LPyTow
0:00 Trump's war on Latin America
1:04 (CLIP) Trump meddles in Argentina's election
1:23 US imperial strategy in Latin America
2:02 (CLIP) Trump wants Venezuela's oil
2:14 Natural resources
2:41 Ties with China and Russia
3:02 Oligarchic counter-revolution
4:11 US war on Venezuela
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Chinese state media is still non-stop talking about the Japanese chud lady and her desire to do away with Article 9 for the Japanese constitution. I haven't heard anything about the obvious US military build up in the Caribbean.

>>2576377
It’s related. If tensions are high in the Chinese sea then the US can’t afford to have the battlegroup with their most advanced carrier diddling around in Latin America. Imagine if the US Navy gets bogged down in an invasion of Venezuela and China starts blockading Taiwan at the same time, they’re screwed

>>2576401
America wants Japan to remilitarise to put the pressure off themselves.

>>2576401
The US obviously doesn't believe that China has the will to attack Taiwan (except in two conditions: a Taiwanese declaration of independence or a suicidal Taiwanese preemptive attack on China, both of which the US has full control in keeping Taiwan from doing). The US sees BRICS states as a bunch of paper tigers in the sense that some of these states have highly advanced militaries but are lacking that certain 'drive'.

Breaking: OSINT analysts monitoring satellite photos of Trinidad have discovered newly formed empty barracks marked with a massive "hit me" sign.



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I'm petite bourgeois that has seen my business increase in profits as conditions have gotten worse. (tech 2020-now). Are there any Marxist writing on this phenomenon?
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>>2573837
you're just agreeing with me now

>>2573771
What are you basing this on? That your personal business is making money?

>>2575408
how many?

your salary vs. theirs, total?

>>2573771
>>2573716
<tech itself is slowing becoming a blue collar field.
>The point is that the tech petite bourgeois has grown in crisis not been absorbed by the bourgeois
no contradiction - plenty of "blue collar" petit bourgois like electrician plumber masters who own businesses.

OP is a probably an high end consultant or an small to mid size MSP/it shop. No surprise its booming now.

Anyway tech is a growth field but eventually the cloud will eat everything anyway and bezos/gates/etc. will own 90% of the worlds IT infra

>>2573771
>The point is that the tech petite bourgeois has grown
Where is the proofs? Can you share any actual data on that claim? How is petite bourgeoise growth ratio compared to monopoly capital growth?

wtf is this shit thread.
>helo guis explain my anecdote with marxism



 

How do you cope with spectacle? I know it sounds silly, but it's a genuine question.

I find myself getting drawn into the antics of e-celebs and flavor-of-the-week social media drama without even fully realizing it, and by the time I realize what happened, I've already wasted a disproportionate amount of mental bandwidth on it. I know none of it matters in the grand scheme of things, I know that none of these people hold any significant amount of real-world cultural relevance. But I have so much trouble convincing my reptilian brain of that fact.

If anyone has any suggestions, I would very much like to hear them.
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>>2576282
Does this board count as social media?

>>2576313
I don't think so? The imageboard format predates a lot of that, and e-celeb stuff is usually discouraged here because it's normiecringe. There's a containment thread where we see Hasan do something embarrassing but it's not like leftypol has a dedicated thread to that himbo.

>>2576326
This place has le spectacle too

Unironically, just start learning something. Your mind is a sponge for knowledge and the powers that be are making sure absorbing shit that's of no value beyond keeping their celebrities or their network of e-celebs in your headspace.

If you bury yourself in books, or learning to code, or practicing an instrument then you're taking charge of your own headspace before the slop merchants can fill it for you.

>>2576313
php boards, news groups, imageboards and by now archaic shit like that is social media in the original sense. people interacting, more or less organically, with one another based on a shared interest.

what is called social media nowadays is in fact anti social, individualist and egocentrical. participation is not born from a personal interest in a specific topic but from peer pressure and asinine incentivisation schemes in form of updoots/likes etc. pp. to maximize engagement and screen time.



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