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>>2552568
did anyone say china has reached higher phase communism?

>>2552568
We all know that the state is socialism, and thus the absolute monarchy - "state is a me!" - is the highest stage of socialism

Chinese stuck in space. Beg America for help

>>2551829
The woman in the video is literally influenced by Western racism, apart from how “uyghur killer” is from English racist meme culture, why would Chinese racism praise his girlfriend for being white?

>>2552583
>unknown
it was burgers did it, bet (am burger and can say it due to daily familiarity with our snakelike ways)



/leftypol/

 

So how does the AI boom end? Will they fire everyone, or will it blow up before it gets to that point? The rate of profit should be falling because the more unemployment the less spending, but in today's ultrafinancialized world spending by the rich is actually up while everyone else's is down. The bourgeois have access to direct financing from the banks and central banks and they use it to buy up more and more hard resources and land and then use that to borrow even more, inflating the value of everything for everyone except themselves. And because the masses are jacked into playing their dumbass numbers game they are just becoming impoverished while sitting on their hands and coping that everything business as usual. Will there be a breaking point?
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>>2551963
By that time the Chinese paratroopers will land in the midwest. Will you help them?

No. This time it's different

>>2551949
it has nothing to do with the marxist concept of TRPF - but you have never read marx, so you assume that any decrease in profit rates must be the marxist TRPF, which it most certainly is not. the point marx was making was about the expansion of constant capital

>>2552063
Explain the difference then

>>2552139
read capital its not that complicated



/leftypol/

 

🗽 UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

<Isolated Edition


Thread for hellish discussion of the Dying Burger Reich: Things are going to continue to happen in the stupidest ways possible that no one really takes seriously, where every single person compulsively reacts with either cynical grifting or useless panic and appealing to a political system of liberal democracy that is entirely dead and irrelevant. things will continue to get gradually worse, more people will lose their jobs and homes, the most destitute and marginalized will be oppressed by state-backed domestic terrorism, but the decay will simply continue and everyone who isn't actively being imprisoned and forced into slavery or outright exterminated will simply ignore it and maintain a cognitive dissonance of believing a civil war is happening while living their lives in a mostly normal fashion. The death of the United States will be slow, painful, and insufferably annoying and stupid. 🏈 💵
Death to the scourge of the earth, the destroyer of nations, the father of fascism, the enabler of ethnostates, the treatlerite tyrant, the protector of pedophiles, the exporter of ecocide, the captain of capitalism, the king of coups, the sultan of sanctions, the emir of the embargo, the autocrat of austerity, the doge of deregulation, the baron of busting unions, the prince of privatization, the lord of loan sharks, the patron-saint of proxy wars, the sponsor of settlers, the guarantor of genocides, the invader of islands, the Divided $nakkkes of Amerikkka™ 🌭 🍔

🛠️ Strike Tracker ⚒️
https://striketracker.ilr.cornell.edu/

🇺🇸 Deeds of the Burger Reich 🇺🇸
https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/us_atrocities.md
https://williamblum.org/essays/read/overthrowing-other-peoples-governments-the-master-list

📺 Glowie News 📺
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>>2552573
<americans already live in post-scarcity. over 75% of them are overweight. Such is why they are not rioting right now
Your claim is not based on evidence. High-calorie, low-nutrient food is cheap and readily available, while healthy food and opportunities for physical activity are often more expensive or inaccessible, leading to this paradox that you falsely ascribe to "treatlerite" contentment.
>Post-scarcity is a theoretical economic situation in which most goods can be produced in great abundance with minimal human labor, so that they become available to all very cheaply or even freely.
>47.4 million people lived in food-insecure households. https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/food-nutrition-assistance/food-security-in-the-us/key-statistics-graphics
>Most Americans don't earn enough to afford basic costs of living … For the bottom 60% of U.S. households, a "minimal quality of life" is out of reach https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cost-of-living-income-quality-of-life/
>"In contrast to international trends, people in America who live in the most poverty-dense counties are those most prone to obesity (Fig. 1A). Counties with poverty rates of greater than 35% have obesity rates 145% greater than wealthy counties." https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3198075/
>The rise in obesity rates, both nationally and internationally, is a result of changes in the environment that have simultaneously lowered the cost of food production, lowered the time and monetary cost of food consumption, increased the real cost of being physically active at work and at home, and decreased the health consequences that result from obesity by bringing a host of new drugs and devices to the market to better manage the adverse health effects that obesity promotes. Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2552573
>post-scarcity is when fat people
uygha you need to go read Critique of the Gotha Program

>>2552580
reading is for firstie labor aristocrats who aren't being worked to death 24/7 in sweatshops you fucking KKKraKKKer imperialist

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Watching the ADL's Jonathan Greenblatt on MSNBC. It's pretty hilarious. He's like "we're launching the MAMDANI MONITOR and if you're a Jew and you feel unsafe then call us now!" and the hosts are just not buying it.



/leftypol/

 

>need to develop productive forces for communism to happen
>this fucks up the earth and nature

how do we reconcile this as gommunists? whenever I see people calling for protecting the amazon there is an argument that the people cutting down the trees are just trying to make a living.
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>>2542585
>westoid id/pol/er talking anything about "glasses bad" as if they're not a certified spectacle wearer themselves
>"worKKKing claSS"
>second book is literally a porkoid defending his class interests

>>2539165
Saito's a pseud who has faced criticism from Bellamy Foster in recent years.
Replace him with Jason W Moore.

>>2543083
yeah sure but anon requested it. its good to teach people how to pirate books

dude condensed the most common debunks of fossil fuel apologia into a youtube short

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>>2531538
>need to develop productive forces for communism to happen



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A thread focused on discussing the parasocial relationships cultivated by the Almighty Algorithm to generate profit off of our atomization and society's commodification of petty internet drama.
Brace through the hyper-real lacanian void together!

Reminder That None of This Is Real!
ɢʀᴀʙ ᴀ ᴘᴀɪʀ ᴏꜰ sᴘᴇᴄᴛᴀᴄʟᴇs

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CORE THEORY
>The Society of the Spectacle (1967) by Guy Debord
📖 • https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/debord/society.htm
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0blWjssVoUQ

<The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction (1936) by Walter Benjamin

📖 • https://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/ge/benjamin.htm
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>>2552558

Well then dear chinese aligned rival, we shall yet see how important the divide will be then!

One key thing that I will emphasize is that often our very worldview can be divergent in its fundamental concepts, despite using some overlapping terminology.

For example, its clear from our mutually hostile engagement here that the very conception of "central planning" means is wholly divergent.

Now, in complete honesty I cannot pretend to be 100% certain as to what you mean by the term; What is clear however is that there is something deeply divergent between our views if you think some government regulation concerning one segment of the supply chain within an industry constitutes "central planning".



A final sidenote: Both the Greek & Chinese C.P.s are members of the IMCWP & regularly attend it, despite their clear mutual ideological antagonism. Its not an international of any kind, nor was it ever intended to be; Rather its what the name says, and nothing more.

I think its quite telling that it was a C.P. from a small country that is not in power that set it up, is the one most active in the successor to the Soviet international trade union federation, while the biggest C.P. in the world couldn't even muster a symbolic Pyongyang declaration style gesture by comparison.

this is the average race warrior calling you a subhuman btw

>>2552571
>some government regulation concerning one segment of the supply chain within an industry constitutes "central planning".

i dont think the commanding heights is merely "one segment". it means the strategy sectors natural monopolies and socially necessary infrastructure. so things like electricity water mining lumber steel concrete. that means instead of setting a quota for 1 billion labubus they see that people need houses and they set a quota for steel and concrete and then flood the market with supply and let local contractors finish the last mile. its like subsidies but instead of money they inject goods into the market with state jobs programs and state manufacturers. when something becomes socially necessary, like internet, and the sector develops such that monopolies form, those are nationalized and put under democratic control. while there is still competition they let the market innovate. its a little more decentralized and hands off but i think its actually more appropriate for a developing nation, as a sufficient level of productive forces is necessary to develop first before you can abolish markets completely

>>2552575
>i'm just like nick fuentes.
esa puta si dio pena ajena.



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Besides Cockshott and maybe Richard Wolff, are there any good, academic, Marxist economists who are worth reading and can be used in debates to defend Marxism?
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Really though you could just read the book instead of inventing positions other people dont hold.

>>2551301 (me)
>Marx says the result is quantitatively the same as what a certain type of simple calculation results in. He is NOT saying that this simple calculation resembles the actual process.
To elaborate on that, it's a bit like having to stay within a weight limit for transporting items and facing the question whether one is below that without data in hand about the individual weights, but only with data about the average item weight and the number of items. From that one can trivially compute the total weight of the pile. But it would be asinine to assume that the things themselves actually get uniform in weight.

>>2551309
>You already conceded that value is transferred
I did not "concede" that, at no point did I assume otherwise.
>you have yet to tell us what you think in your interpretation the source of this value is
This shouldn't be necessary in a thread on Marxist economics: labor power. (There are complications in that you can't directly use time, because people work at different speed, and there is labor power at different skill levels, and there is overproduction and mismanagement.) I'm not making a new definition of value. I'm telling you that at some point the value has to be embodied in something to be transferred.
>you just repeatedly ask the same inane question
Well at least now you don't claim anymore I'm constantly changing the topic, so finally you are making a tiny bit of progress.

Third-worldists say first-worlders live the nice life on the back of third-world workers. You live the nice life (any life really) by consuming use-values. Hence to make a compelling case for the third-worldist claim being true, value transfer can at best only play one part in a bigger argument about use-values constructed wholly or in crucial parts in the third world ending up being consumed in the first world. The value transfer described volume III from industries with low organic composition of capital to industries with high organic composition of capital all by itself does not work as proof or almost-proof for the third-worldist claim. Marx did not construct that to argue for giga-profiPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2552541 (me)
>The value transfer described volume III
*The value transfer described in volume III

>>2552541
>I did not "concede" that
>>2552541
>value transfer described volume III from industries with low organic composition of capital to industries with high organic composition of capital
>labor power
So when I talk about wage differentials, ie the price of labor power, that is something meaningfully different to you? and you say im splitting hairs and not reading the context of the whole post
>at least now you don't claim anymore I'm constantly changing the topic
and then you immediately change the topic back to
>Third-worldists
>first-worlders live the nice life on the back of third-world workers
>>2544920
>sounds to me like you are jumping to conclusions and making assumptions.
>labor aristocracy and unequal exchange can exist without third-worldism.
>i never said that workers in the first world take share in the looting.
this can also be read as "i am not a third-worldist"
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i wonder if it could have anything to do with the term being coined by the author lmao



/latam/

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EDIÇÃO OXALAIA QUILOMBENSIS
"Foi um grande dinossauro terópode que viveu há aproximadamente 95 milhões de anos, durante o período Cretáceo. Seus fósseis foram descobertos na Ilha do Cajual, no Maranhão, região que já revelou outros importantes achados paleontológicos."
"O nome científico da espécie faz uma referência à divindade afro-brasileira Oxalá e aos assentamentos quilombolas maranhenses."
(arte do Victor Sales/@vsalesv)
O covil dos webcomunas no Brasil

Último fio: >>11885
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>>13500
O Mamdani é mais bonito que ela

>>13499
Eles são baseados não-ironicamente, imposto é roubo

>>13504
Agora falando sério, única coisa que apoio do MBL é diminuir imposto de importados, um absurdo jovens não poderem comprar placas de vídeo por preços acessíveis

>>13500
Que imagem boa da porra

>>13505
Esses caras trabalham com austeridade, então tirar imposto de joguinho significaria sucatear ainda mais as instituições públicas.

>>13506
Que sucateiem então, to cagando pra instituição pública quero um pc que rode GTA VI



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American puppets meeting, to discuss the destruction of Belarus.

>>2539499
>Why is he so fucking retarded
It's easy to internalize Labor mythology, when you compare the record of Labor vs LNP on policy nuances.

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>>2551222
Not me, comrade. Solidarity from another industry union.

Welcome to share the bants with us, redact it if needed. Imageboard culture leaks into the mainstream more each day so wouldn't be surprised if they were just discord.gov users or old meme-loving fucks.

>>2551483
thanks comrade, solidarity to you as well.
I won't share but they were dropping "tankie" type meme videos and using terms like "glowie" and "fedposting". The background is a frustrated rank and file dealing with a conservative leadership - a tale as old as time.

>>2552398
>I won't share but they were dropping "tankie" type meme videos and using terms like "glowie" and "fedposting"
BASED!



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Shit had an aesthetic that reminded me of bleach, and the few comics we got were shockingly more mature than what I was expecting. It’s rare to see a marvel character that is: competent in combat regardless of whether they have powers active or weapons present, have a no nonsense attitude that comes to wasting time, preaching, or holding back in a fight, and genuinely not need any transformations/plot armour/power ups because their strength is implied from the get go with the idea that they train off panel independently. It also meant that the comic writers got to write Eric as a character dealing with far more mature subjects on self acceptance, subjective cases of heroism, and loneliness that I wasn’t expecting to see from a small standalone series of comics on what amounts to a minor character reduced to cameos in various animated shows and video games. Blade reminds of me of spawn, Goku, and wolverine in that sense. Wish we got more of him.



/leftypol/

 

Why is leftypol not throwing massive support behind Mamdani?

No one believes he’s an actual socialist, however his victory will be the most important victory of the American left of the past 90 years. Why? Because it shows the Zionist Lobby has NO POWER compared to the power of the MASSES OF PEOPLE and we can defeat the satanic Zionist entity not with a violent revolution but simply with voting. Nobody believes Mamdani is a perfect candidate but that’s not the point.

So why aren’t we backing him en masse? His inevitable win will be the biggest blow to US-Zio imperialism in modern history.
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>>2551449
Watch the videos and confront actual facts.

millenial anon I beseech thee, was this kind of what the rise of Obama was like? but a random DSA guy instead of Keynesian?

>>2552433
I might give some leeway that he was being really pressed by interviewer on the question of Venezuela and Cuba but he ends up pushing the very narrative that supplies the fuel for the US removing the current government of Venezuela as is what Trump wants to do

>>2552493
>nooo all the criticisms of the people who lived through it and all the historians who have analyzed it are all wrong only my ML youtuber is correct
That's why the sailors never actually attacked the mainland government even though if they were actually anti-socialist it was in their best interest to do so because it was the only possible way for them to not get immediately annihilated, right? Them waiting around and asking, hoping for their demands to be met can be easily ignored in favor of a simplistic "It was the Whites" narrative! So true!

https://www.marxists.org/archive/serge/1937/11/truth-kronstadt.htm
https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/writers/macdonald/1938/04/kronstadt.htm
https://www.marxists.org/archive/steinberg/1953/workshop/ch21.htm
https://www.marxists.org/history/ussr/events/kronstadt/1975/lessons-kronstadt.htm
https://www.marxists.org/history/ussr/events/kronstadt/analysis.htm
https://files.libcom.org/files/kronstadt_1921_avrich.pdf




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>>2552523
>CYRIL BARABALTCHOUK
There's a mouthful

>>2552523
>Russia sending literal tards to the front line.
I never understood this brand of propaganda. It would make more sense if you were saying this about your own side. What could there possibly be gained by saying this about the opponent?
Either just win if they're fielding nothing but subpar soldiers, or a couple slipped through the cracks and it is probably something that's true about both sides then.

>>2552528
they are liberals and idealists. they think imperialism("democracy") is progressive compared to autonomy("authoritarianism") because imperialism has "human rights", except they think correct ideas come from the sky and all you have to do is vote them in and not that they come from social practice, from having a material base and means of production, physical infrastructure, capable of enabling those rights. if barbarians starve it must be because they are too stupid to vote for food not because your country burned their fields.

flag status?

>>2552536
Барабальчук - in Russian/Ukrainian it's kind of fine. Two easy syllables more than normal



/games/

 

Are gacha games another part of why a lot of young men are reactionaries? It seems like gacha gaming in general seems to be something that is supported in a lot of right-wing nations and even in China the gamers who like gacha games tend to be rather right-wing. Is this a chicken or the egg scenario though?
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>>44663
Kancolle was nationalist from the start tbh so its creator being like that isn't surprising

I think the way gachas are written lend themselves to character maxxing:
- need characters to fill the gumball machine with
- make a buch of them
- flesh each of them out fairly well, give them a reasonable amount of screen time through side content
- make them all main story relevant

Which is a hard tightrope to walk as an author or team of authors–you risk stretching too thin like how I feel Warriors by Erin Hunter did–but it means you're basically guaranteed to make a character or two that the player is going to strongly relate to. Delta Nikke and Texas Arknights in my case.

its literally porn + gambling addiction. like putting hitler particles in a lab and artificially multiplying them until you get a disgusting blob of life

>>44730
dont forget to add in the overly whitewashed characters to add extra hitler particles into the mix




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Knowing the real history of American radical left-wing groups, this film is far too generous about their capabilities. In reality, they wouldn’t have killed any political figure higher than a superintendent, would likely have set off a bomb that killed a good portion of their members or been shot dead and arrested if they actually tried fighting against an armed resistance.
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>>2552021
I mean I think "be normal" is bad for the imperial core but I think the USSR was historically progressive in the main. If "be normal" works for Eastern Marxism then it works. But it really just tends to lead to social fascism to in the West.

>>2551983
>>2552021
>>2552041
Do you all hear yourselves? This is exactly what I was talking about. You will not appeal to anyone outside a small handful of educated leftists with this rhetoric. Outside the West, Communist and Leftists faced/face actual political repression that has resulted in death and imprisonment (not just a bunch of Hollywood writers losing their jobs), we’ve learned to be pragmatic. Our political views aren’t driven by what's trending or what we feel is more revolutionary or debate which is more progressive. they’re shaped by what has allowed us to survive, what has kept us from being murdered, jailed, or having our families threatened. This doesn’t apply to all Third World socialist parties, but it does for most, We work with ethno-supremacist parties who are moderately socialist (we know these parties are corrupt and violent). We are 'China shills,'(e know that China isn’t fully communist) and yet we do it to further our aims. So, seeing Western leftists face none of our constraints and still fail time and time again due to your own neurotic nature offends us. It offends us that you’re so politically useless and naive, retreating into academia and then LARPing like you’re fighting some kind of war.

>>2552204
And I'm telling you that being pragmatic and compromising with social Democrats has led to fuck all time and time again.

Your main problem is being shot. Our main problem is chauvinism. It's a very different situation. I wish I knew a strategy that would work in the West. But "just be normal" isn't it.

>>2552204
>So, seeing Western leftists face none of our constraints and still fail time and time again due to your own neurotic nature offends us.

My dude you're retarded.

I dont know why it has to be either/or. CPC and Bolshevik parties both won with less than 1% of the population actually being party members. You dont have to water down your own party to be in a coalition with others



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I feel like such a failure as gay guy. the only thing other gay people seem to talk about is sex, yet im 19 and still havent ever experienced sex. I havent even ever been able to get a boyfriend. I cant relate at all to all the things other gays talk about because of how I have no experience. It makes me feel so pathetic and out of place in any online gay community.
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>>4687
nvm i just got locked out of my account


>>4638
sweetheart i'm about to 30 and i'm still a virgin

>>4691
i logged on my fabulousrot account and I was just locked out of it. I got a friend request from some weird account with no pfp and a hour after accepting it i was locked out, but idk if that has anything to do with it. Cant even do shit about it since i signed up for the account with a fake email, sorry

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>>4693
oh well



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My father gave me these things, or rather, I inherited them. He likes to discuss politics with me (he's an anarchist). What do you think, comrades?
He also gave me a rug with the anarchist cat on it and a Spanish Republican flag.

Those are rather nice anon. I collect communist and communist adjacent paraphernalia when I can get my hands on it. Here's a picture of some pins I got in berlin

>>2552363
beautiful



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Lets have another pointless discussion thread about these guys, who they were and what they were doing at the time.
I'll start:
>They were CIA pretending to be collaborators who dissapeared soon after…
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>>2547962
The posts and words are too big and scary there though

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>>2547962
thank you mods for the democratic kampuchea embassy on /leftypol/ land, bumping with a bunch of stuff

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Surrealpolitik: The Experience of Chinese Experts in Democratic Kampuchea, 1975–1979
Andrew Mertha, 2012
<https://muse.jhu.edu/article/494077
>[The] author argues that the Chinese experience in Democratic Kampuchea was structured and constrained by the contradiction of technical imperatives in a milieu of deadly political infighting, as well as by the many institutional shortcomings on both the Cambodian and the Chinese sides. The author uses the petroleum refinery project at Kampong Som (Sihanoukville) to illustrate his argument.

>In looking at the Chinese experience in Democratic Kampuchea, the question I am most frequently asked is: what did the Chinese experts on the ground know about the killings that were taking place at the time? Several analyses imply that Chinese advisers in Democratic Kampuchea, by doing nothing or by somehow benefiting from DK policy, were somehow complicit in the horrors of what was occurring in DK.

<There were thousands of Chinese technical experts living in the country, mainly working in industry, transport and energy. But there must have been also a number of military advisors, all weapons being provided by China which had built a vast secret air base, with two runways near Kampong Chhnang at Phum Krang [Leav]. Since the army was so much involved in the repression it is difficult to imagine the Chinese were completely unaware of what was going on in the country. This cannot be demonstrated—nor disproved—until all archives are opened.
>Although my interviewees—retired Chinese technicians who managed infrastructure projects in Democratic Kampuchea—tended to become a bit guarded when discussing this, it became clear that they did not, nor could not, know the extent of the killings that were taking place, even as they were aware that something sinister was afoot.
<The Chinese were told that a person had “disappeared” (这个人不见了) or that they had been “cozying up to Vietnam” (亲越). Years later these Chinese technicians bandied about other euphemisms that suggested they had an inkling of what was afoot: “recalled to Phnom Penh” (说要去金边/要 调你到金边), “the big forest” (森林大), “particularly large Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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>>2552503
>A Chinese technician noted that the expansion of the facilities required extra equipment for catalytic cracking. This is because they were also switching the processing technology, which had been premised on processing crude oil from Qatar, to refining equipment that could process oil from China’s Daqing oil fields. Although China claims that this was Chinese technology, it actually came from Cuba. The Cubans had somehow obtained blueprints of the facility from the Americans, and since they had sets, they decided to share one with the Chinese.
>But the project was beset by problems. An on-site worker summed up the situation at the oil refinery in brusque and dire, but nonetheless accurate, terms that matched the general mood of workers who had been working on the project on a long-term basis:
<It has been three years since we have been working on this refinery. We have to recover the operating room, but there have been so many problems, especially with electricity. Also, the supply chain from China to here has simply been disconnected. The Cambodian side seems to refuse to learn about what we are doing. We also need to train translators. The Cambodians who should be in charge of production are poorly educated, and too young. The techniques and methods of operation for oil refinery are unique, and workers need a basic industrial knowledge base.

>One of the most difficult challenges faced by the Chinese workers on site had to do with the quantity and quality of Cambodian workers. The number of workers on site was insufficient; the Chinese had assigned 380 people to work on construction and recovering the facility and 54 people to be in charge of production required, and these numbers were not being met because of the high rate of absenteeism on the Cambodian side. Moreover, the Cambodian workers that did show up for work did not inspire confidence. The frustration of one Chinese expert is almost tangible:

<After being in Cambodia for a year, we have no clue what we have to do. We just mend roads, dig dirt, and we have no idea if we should be doing any of this because no one tells us anything. We have been digging a warehouse of dimensions 1.7 by 3.724 meters, and as we diPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2552520
>The problems discussed above were considerable, but they were also particular to the Cambodian case, as evidenced by the fact that the Chinese had to bring not only technical experts but also their own workers, and by the bizarre notion that the Chinese, after two years in DK, were still unsure who they needed to communicate with on the Cambodian side. Moreover, these problems do not explain the larger issue of coordination that lay at the root of the systematic variation in the effectiveness of Chinese overseas assistance.

>On December 22, 1978, three days before the Vietnamese invaded Cambodia, a group of Chinese technical leaders presented a report based on more than a month of survey work at the refinery site. The report noted that:

<When it comes to the supply of materials, [coordination] has been lax. The work that needs to be done now needs to be done mostly by the Chinese. Therefore, when the supplies do not arrive on time, or if they are incompatible, we cannot do our job properly. . . . Please tell the superiors back home. . . . The commerce unit has already stamped this request, and the MoFE wrote back and said that the embassy needed to send a full request. Now we only have a small jeep and it is not going to do the trip. In addition, there is the problem of lacking water bottles. Please try and solve these problems for us.

>Arguments over the scarcity of resources as well as the seemingly unequal distribution of resources dominated the conversation, as did complaints about subpar coordination:

<The companies that send people have no idea how to organize and manage these people. The Cangzhou Thirteen Huajian Company certainly has no clue. So much has been invested that this is clearly not a joke. It seems more like a war, but a war that we’re losing. The mission is simply not clear. . . . we have no clue what is going on and what we have to do.

>This worker also underscored the problem with the quality of the technicians and skilled workers sent from China, suggesting that it was not necessarily the best or the brightest who were being sent to Democratic Kampuchea:

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Anti-imperialism has been shoehorned into leftist discourse just like useless idpol (not talking about the existence of gays) was in the 2010s. The great difficulty of developing class conciousness in service-economy liberal states is made even more complicated by rethoric pushed by feds that the workers in these states can't be socialist. This is used inside this states to prevent organization and outside these states to promote petite-nationalism.
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>>2552053
>>2527834
Name me 10 countries in the third world the economies of which isn't dominated by the service sector outside of China and few south/east asian countries

Not being CIA is a psy-op to not be CIA. Whatever you say, Langley.

>>2552056
made up shit anon didn't say award.
try quoting what was actually said next time.

The USSR became imperialist in nature near its collapse (and agruable eariler).

While i understand what OP means, and I agree I wouldn't say feds are pushing this, proles in exploited countries are saying this, and they are right that westetn bourgesisie are profitting off of them, they neglect the fact the western proles are also exploited (although to a slightly lesser extent). I said this on another thread eariler but it is true and many maoists have this belief

>>2552059
India
Sudan
Afghanistan
Vietnam
Democratic People's Republic of Korea
Haiti
Romania
Democratic Republic of Congo
Cambodia
Indonesia
Thailand



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The relativity of time is not just a reason we cannot "travel in space and make it back", it is a utility that can be used to preserve the subjects to travel in FTL speed or even a beam me up scotty wormhole and calculate a journey back to skip time whilst preserving their own biological clocks. In other words indeed a person that is 25 in 2025 may go to another place in space through FTL travel and come back only to see the Earth is gone despite still being 25 years old biologically, but in the same manner if the journey is calculated the subject can effectively skip time for a set period of hundreds of years and if there is hope in development may return to live and benefit from the fruits of it in the future's availed life extension technology if humanity proves successful in not destroying itself, if it does destroy itself. It is effectively time travel into the future and thus any persons who wish to see if the species will succeed and live to see it or live to see if it has been insufficient and unworthy they may be able to do that through space travel. We currently do not possess FTL travel or wormholes, but it is simply the easiest way to be able to time travel into the future. With the development of AI a ship could be able to decide its own course and trajectory safely and be able to calculate how to return, all that is needed is research on the method for propelling and the type of energy consumption and materials needed to be able to initiate FTL, to which particle accelerators may hold an answer to that.
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>You go to Alpha Capricorni and back at 0.9999 C. When you return 220 years have passed on Earth. When you left you were only 25 but you from your perspective 30 years have passed and you are now the ripe age of 45. You can see from orbit space elevators and mega cities. A lot has changed. You get on the radio and try to contact NASA. No response. After months of broadcasting your message you finally get some static and between the crackles you hear a few words. Knee-How. Knee-How. What could it possibly mean?

>>2551261

You would become a gooback.

Travel to 2050 when China reaches communism

I love your imagination anon. This is great

There's some things you are getting confused about relativity, like you don't go to "FTL speed" to experience the effects of time dilation, it happens at real life physically-possible speeds with no need for hyperspace/wormhole magic or any other bullshit like that. Furthermore, relativistic time dilation doesn't make you age more slowly and is not a method of achieving immortality - from your perspective on the spaceship time is still moving at normal speed and your body is still aging just as it always does, time is just slowing down for you relative to everything outside of the spaceship. It's called "relativity" for a reason, you know.

Also, if you just want to preserve yourself and wake up in the future it would make a lot more sense to just use cryogenics, the already existing technology that is designed for that very purpose, rather than an interstellar spacecraft?



/latam/

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No encontré el hilo anterior así que hago uno nuevo porque es necesario

que con todo y todo Estados Unidos no ha parado de intentar meter las narices en el país y me esta empezando a cansar y mas si en el 2030 planean poner otro titere de mierda en especial si es el puto de Salinas Pliego que planea ser literalmente un Milei Whitexican.

Alguien seguia la campaña de Manzo?
Que opinan de Morena en pleno 2025?
Que nos queda por hacer?
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>>13477
Hay una campaña artifical permanente contra Morena desde el sexenio de AMLO, impulsada principalmente por Claudio X. González. Involucra muchos bots en Twitter (un método favorito de los políticos mexicanos desde Peña Nieto). Hay mucho dinero detrás de la campaña (incluyendo los típicos USAID, NED), pero no tienen mucha efectividad ni sentido político (veáse Xochitl Galvez). Lo del llamado a protestas generación Z es otro ejemplo, están queriendo importar fórmulas que no encajan en el contexto mexicano.

>>13474
Odio a los cristianos en general

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>>13483
No tengo nada en contra de los cristianos

>>13483
quemen las iglesias evangelicas

>>13501
Quemen todas las iglesias, incluyendo los rincones de pedofilos llamada iglesia catolica



/leftypol/

 

"turns out conservatives and reactionaries are just dumb after all" edition.

news:
- Your Party is suing itself, more at 11.
- The SNP and Plaid are going to form a "progressive alliance" somehow
- The government's going to do a switcheroo by raising income tax slightly and cutting national insurance to balance it out. (But they won't - follow this to its logical conclusion and scrap NI entirely)
- They're also considering cutting VAT on energy bills (which is the least efficient way of lowering bills you can imagine)
- The board of deputies asked Aston Villa for free footy tickets. In a worrying sign of rising antisemitism, Aston said nah.
- Labour is falling behind the Greens in the opinion polls as their strategy of copying Reform drives away their already-begrudging supporters without winning over any Reform voting reprobates. Nobody could have predicted this.
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>>2552121
crazy to me to want to spectacularise ripping flags down, but fair enough, i guess.

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>>2552289
They are using it as a mechanism to generate support (ngl anti-flagging is good in principle but hardly a strong basis for building a socialist movement off of). What i see with them is your usual "Anti-Reform, Anti-Capitalist, pro-Palestine" stuff with a vague IRA sheen from the use of kneecap, ballies & bererts, and the phoenix that looks very Provo, yet without any explicit Irishness. They seem to be active in provincial towns (especially in the North East) but also they dont seem to be particularly ideological. Certainly aren't Leninists or Anarchists. I don't know kinda feels like Irish Republicanism but instead of Irish Culture its rootless zoomer philonationalism. You know the sort; who are anti-british and anti-english, yet love when "the right sorts" do nationalism (Irish, Palestinians, Latin Americans).
I guess I just don't see how there is a social base for this beyond those who are already outcasts yk? Building an ANTIFA movement that is already the social outcasts is not a path to success.

>>2552121
>>2552368
Activism is ultimately pointless, the only time action matters is when it is revolutionary.
That said this is still based and makes me feel good. I hope they keep it up.

>>2552121
why don't they burn them? Would be more symbolic in my opinion.

>>2552368
Dosen't this just happen every few years?
Like some lads will try to do antifa themed hooligan agitprop, or go for a german street-maoist aesthetic, or this.
never seems to go anywhere.



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Sliwa would make a much better mayor than Mamdani. What's going to happen is Mamdani is going to win, and then he'll either become another AOC/Bernie and sell out his base, or he'll just be an incompetent fuckup nepo baby. Either way NYC isn't going to change much. Sliwa has more of a connection to actual working class New Yorkers and knows how to play the game. He was shot by the mob and lived to tell the tale.
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>>2552472
This doesn't really work because Mamdani's whole thing is that he'll speak with anyone if they're open to it which was part of the whole appeal. (Ironically he's kind of doing something Haz wanted to do which is communicate with people who don't normally identify as being on the left, but also you know… like… successfully). He'd talk to Trump, whatever.

>>2552472
>H*z
Filtered

There were also big swings in Trump-Mamdani districts (apparently). A lot of these are immigrant heavy neighborhoods. There's just a bunch of relatively conservative immigrant boomers from Egypt or wherever living in Queens who voted for Trump in 2024 and then Mamdani, and he succeeded massively without pandering to socially conservative prejudices. He's actually very liberal as far as I can tell.

It's an interesting thing but I think part of it is that these immigrants haven't been totally assimilated, which means they haven't been incorporated by the two party system. They're more up for grabs. Part of the Democrat vs. Republican thing in the U.S. is that it's not just about politics but identity and tribe with long histories in American society and culture. Like northern (often German) Protestant whites + blacks in an alliance (this goes back to the Civil War) and then an alliance between southern conservative Evangelical whites and northern Italian Catholics. That's more recent, post-WWII, but look at the prepoderance of Italian names among New York and New Jersey Republicans like Giuliani, Sliwa, and Ciattarelli. Democrats… Whitmer, Spanberger, Walz.

But if you're some kid whose parents are Maronite Catholics from Lebanon, where do you fit into that in post-9/11 America. Makes me wonder if on some level Haz's schizophrenic ideology is an attempt at coping or trying to seek acceptance from people who have hated Arabs his whole life because he can be more chud than them! Mamdani on the other hand is Muslim and part of his appeal to these many immigrants is that he very openly identifies as an immigrant while also synchronizing that with pre-existing traditions of Ellis Island newcomers demanding their place at the table of the American Dream.

>>2552472
Sliwa was the trve gommunist.

>>2552480
Haz said there were two holes. There are actually three.

t. cis woman



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>In 1848, Schopenhauer witnessed violent upheaval in Frankfurt after General Hans Adolf Erdmann von Auerswald and Prince Felix Lichnowsky were murdered. He became worried for his own safety and property. […] He gave a friendly welcome to Austrian soldiers who wanted to shoot revolutionaries from his window and as they were leaving he gave one of the officers his opera glasses to help him monitor rebels. The rebellion passed without any loss to Schopenhauer and he later praised Alfred I, Prince of Windisch-Grätz, for restoring order. He even modified his will, leaving a large part of his property to a Prussian fund that helped soldiers who became invalids while fighting rebellion in 1848 or the families of soldiers who died in battle.
Ah, so he was actively reactionary, as his class position, and his actions to defend his class position reveal.
>As Young Hegelians were advocating change and progress, Schopenhauer claimed that misery is natural for humans and that, even if some utopian society were established, people would still fight each other out of boredom, or would starve due to overpopulation.
Ohh… it's just… umm…. humans are gonna be miserable no matter what…. please don't make me lose my property…. I'm so miserable with all this property…. Prussian soldiers…. please defend my property from the rabble…. who are definitely just as miserable in poverty as I am in wealth… oh heavens…. I … ohh…..
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>>2537008
Many autism experts will say he was autistic since he had many common autistic traits.

>autism expert
lmao

>>2537635
I wonder if Marx and Hegel were autistic

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>>2536686
trvked her own son

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>>2552469
GYATT DAMN



/leftypol/

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>bro, the king, like, he's good, god chose him, it's like, his corrupt ministers whispering in his ear who are the problem maaaaaaaaaan. let's fuck up his corrupt ministers and bring him our grievances directly. then he'll see that we're on his side and he'll totally purge his corrupt government and abolish serfdom and all these punitive taxes on the peasantry.
<finally gets to meet his precious king
<gets beheaded

false conciousness is a bitch, innit? you see a similar mindset with the russian peasantry leading up to bloody sunday, when they brought nicholas that petition, or even MAGA retards in the USA who think if you elect an "outsider" (billionaire) you can "fight corruption" and "run the government like a business"

Why do people see the Monarch as their dad? In ancient Chinese peasant revolts they would very often invoke the name of the Emperor, the loss of the mandate of heaven was the nuclear option.

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>>2552475
>Why do people see the Monarch as their dad?
great man theory, divine right of kings, false consciousness, daddy issues, etc.



/leftypol/

 

*This is mainly targeted towards zoomers on TikTok

Practically all leftist "propaganda edits" have been filtered towards slop copies of whatever the far right has been doing for the past few years;

The right starts making little dark age edits with World War 2 movies? The left copies that, only changing it from the German sided perspective to the Soviet,

The right starts putting shitty statistics over nature scenarios with nightcore blasting through? The left copies it, only changing the statistic and adding a ushanka to the retarded greek statue reaction image,

The right starts doing Agartha/Hyperborea edits? The left copies it, only changing the symbolism from the Black Sun to Red Shambhala (And yes, I know the whole Red Shambhala thing is supposed to be a parody of that),

What the fuck are we doing in that department? Any suggestions?
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>Why has zoomer leftist propaganda simply resorted to copying the alt-right?
lol do you remember when some nazis got mad because they thought Chapo Trap House "ripped them off" by making a podcast that did satire? lmao no one has ever had the idea of mocking people they hate before some degenerate settlers did so!
>slop copies
Capitalism produces slop, you are baffled by actual humans who actually have souls doing historical materialist critiques of liberal political economy because you are a degenerate consumer NPC
>>2548150
>Pitchfork
daily reminder that neoliberals were always soulless automatons years before ChatGPT because a thing

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"memes" arent left-wing or right-wing regardless of who uses them or what they originally repressented

They are absurdist in nature, you cannot convert someone's ideology by memes, and if you do its probably a child that wouldn't do much for a revolution anyways.
"Memes" are absurd, that is the humour behind it all "memes"

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>>2536374
As a personal witness to it I really do think it's some sort of manufactured push to introduce these visuals in the sphere. They literally use fucking agartha and esoteric nazi aesthetics for a lot of these red shambhala edits (not just a twitter thing btw, mostly done over short form video sites like TikTok) but the more realistic explanation is that some reddit fags hop from ideology to ideology and a few of them have editing skills and carry over motifs (which then spread via memetics or w/e)




/leftypol/

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Hello, anons, I'm creating this thread about what where you share some controversial views on have. I have some views that seems to clash with left leaning view and honestly I don't know how to reconcile my leftist views with those controversial views I have, here some topics that clash with leftist tendencies:

>immigration in general

I'm not against immigrants actually, but I do think bring millions of immigrants from very radical different culture is recipe for creating tension and division inside of a country

>genes and behaviors

Yeah, that one is a hard, I think genes play a strong role on human behavior, I actually told that to some leftist in real life and I got shot down by being called "eugenicist", only a gay dude agree with me because he says that he didn't choose to be gay, he was born that way and could see other behavior having gene influencing too

>religion

I don't support religion at all, I think they are reactionary as fuck, especially desert religions like christianity, judaism and islam are especially bad and very very reactionary and should be fought against.

So far as I remember those are to topics that cause me to clash with my leftist tendencies, do you have any opinions and views that you considered to clash with your progressive views?
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I do not trust anyone who claims to be religious and a Marxist.
Either admit you're an materialist with cultural / childhood baggage, or just be a religious socialist.
This goes out to Hasan, Hakim, Haz, and the 100s of others doing the grift of pretending to be both religious and Marxist in order to retain viewers from both sides.

>>2552351
This used to be a pretty common take or at least a widely held perception of how humanity would turn out.

>>2552434
When does Hasan pretend to be religious? From my understanding he's non-practicing. A lot of the Muslim stuff he says as a bit. He does shit on atheists fairly often which is annoying (considering atheists are statistically far more likely to agree with him on pretty much every issue).

>>2552437
>When does Hasan pretend to be religious?
>He does shit on atheists fairly often

You just debunked yourself.

Honestly I'm tired of the Hasan glazing in here, yeah he's good on 50% of shit but some of you all white knight this one demsoc streamer who doesn't understand any Marxist theory so hard.
Why? Because his haters are r-tarded MAGA fanatics and zionists? Because he's hot? Actually listen to his takes please.

A general prohibition of child labor is incompatible with the existence of large-scale industry and hence an empty, pious wish. Its realization – if it were possible – would be reactionary, since, with a strict regulation of the working time according to the different age groups and other safety measures for the protection of children, an early combination of productive labor with education is one of the most potent means for the transformation of present-day society.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1875/gotha/append.htm
I think every child above the age of nine ought to be employed at productive labour a portion of its time, but the way in which they are made to work under existing circumstances is abominable.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/iwma/documents/1868/machinery-speech.htm



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reminder that you will never be good at an artform you didn't start when you were underaged

yeah sure try as you want to draw or paint, but you'll never be as good as someone who was drawing basic things at 8 and furry porn at 16.

im trying to learn how to draw, just basic things from cups to pepper shakers, and yet i can't figure it out. i'm told to learn how to draw with "perspective" and then am hit with a lorry load fo terms and language used to describe concepts that are never elaborated on and are presumably expected to just be inherently "understood".

i'm basically fucked in this regard, and will live hte next 60 years of my life in misery that i cannot draw. no, "just git gud" won't work you fucking american; some people are born naturally good and are then given the environment to cultivate their skills. I was not. This is called "being shit out of luck", and is hard for narcissistic people to understand, because to them it's either always them 100% them or everyone else's fault.
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>>5478
>just plan things out
Whats that supposed to mean? How am i supposed to plan things out to get better at art? Plus most art advice amounts to "DONT THINK ABOUT IT! JUST PRACTICE" so it seems contradictory to planning

>>5333
>like upside down how?

You take a reference and turn it upside down and draw it that way. Supposedly it helps you draw what's actually there instead of what your brain imagines it to be.

>>5489
>DONT THINK ABOUT IT! JUST PRACTICE
DRAW ME 2 PAGE OF LINES MOTHERFUCKER,YOU'RE DOING IT UNTIL THEY'RE STRAIGHT

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>>5329
>>5477

Drawing is like any other skill in life in so much as anyone can learn the skills to an extent but takes natural talent to master. I've been drawing since I was a kid and I still ain't great at it. I used to let it get to me but something I realised is that comparison is the thief of joy. I keep this picture by Chibird to cheer me up whenever I feel down about my hobbies or struggling to learn a new skill.

>>5489
Workflow, composition, notes, and yeah practices like >>5495 is talhing about.



/games/

 

Post in this thread every time you play a new game and rate it, I'll start, currently playing Dread Dawn, pretty jank and honestly not that good but I'm desperate for more zombie games to wait until PZ 42 comes out. 6/10.
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>>44748
iit free mod tho

>>44747
>like coop so I do need the original
online-fix.me

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Playing Arc Raiders, very fun game, the player-base is nice. You pick up loot, kill robots and say Hello to people.
You can kill people too, if you're a gay (pejorative).

>>44727
>>44742
To me this seems like the worst premise for a game imaginable. Like they can do anything as long as the corpos are fine with it, and they make like the most banal and mundane thing imagineable?



/leftypol/

 

I love books that detail how great thinkers changed their minds, or more precisely, have had discovered new insights that made them go 180° on their previous takes. (I love progress in thinking…)

For me, when it comes to "big commie theorists," it is an enjoyable case of dialectics within dialectics. Can anyone relate? Do you understand?

So far I've read 3 books on the aforementioned gentlemen, detailing their "change of hearts:"

1) Engels & Marx changing their opinions gradually on the colonialism/imperialism question, recognizing the reality of the labour aristocracy, and so on. (.pdf related #1)

2) Marx & Engels becoming anti-humanists, divorcing their humanist (Hegelian) backgrounds. (.pdf related #2)

3) Lenin changing from socdem to bolshevik (.pdf related #3)

If you have other examples of these big brained retards maturing and 'dialecting' the shit out of the world, please post them. Combined, M-E-L wrote like 120k pages texts and like 0.001% of Actually Existing Communists (AEC) read it all.

Thread motto: Eppur si muove!
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>>2552208
Didnt lenin's bro got sudoku'd for his anarchism?

>>2552338
Don't think it was anarchism but yeah the tsarists hanged him for taking part in 1905.

>>2552354
He was executed much earlier and it was for assassination attempt on the tsar

Althusser was full pf shit
3rd book is crypto trotskyist recuperation of lenin for western leftists

>>2552384
this
>>2552338
Not anarchism, but Narodism, which is a unique form of Russian peasant populism that was prevalent in the 1880s and was a synthesis of Marxist, Anarchist, and Liberal ideas. It was this millieu that Lenin embedded in, in his teenage years, and it was after his brother's execution that he distanced himself from Narodism and really began to study Marxism in earnest. But he never completely lost his Narodnik influences. This is what the video posted above in >>2552208 is about; Despite its clickbait thumbnail, it's very well-researched and interesting.



/leftypol/

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BOLIVIA AFTERMATH THREAD
The ballots spoke, the centerright with Paz won.
The slogan
<Capitalism for all!
Evo is in his Kamehouse in the mountains saying
>Plepleplease don't change the constitution
Arce…he is just a painting in the Palace
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>>2532454
>aaaand that's why you need to build the workers party!
i hate how i know how every trot article will end and that it is always the same, no matter the party, no matter the country.

Also, Evo in >>2527822 this interview does not deny that he was in a relationship with a m1n0r, if you listen or put some subtitles he says "where there is no victim, there is no crime" textually. (6:05)
So fuck you

>>2532477
They're not wrong.

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Evo, the man who's dick condemed the revolution

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GUESS WHO GOT OUT OF THE RETARD BOX??
<Bolivia’s former interim president Jeanine Áñez freed from prison after Supreme Court ruling
https://apnews.com/article/jeanine-anez-bolivia-prison-ca6625b53c6ebdab7c44f8809f73035d



/leftypol/

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What do you think about German far-left political party named Sahra Wagenknecht Alliance – Reason and Justice aka BSW?
Are they true communist redpilled comrades? Do they have any future? Will they replace Die Linke and would/will you vote for that party if were/are a German?
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>>2551519

Could you elaborate on this (with some links if possible)? I have heard contradictory things where her economic orientation was described as social-liberal to social democrat to "market socialist" to central planning advocate.

sounds like the female german george galloway

>>2552113
Eh, nah. Galloway is way more of an outsider and a crank figure. Wagenknecht has been a mainstream politician in Germany for a long time. She appears on television a lot. Or did. I don't know what the situation is like right now.

>>2552109
Her views on economics are not that different from Klaus Schwab (I think?). It's kind of funny but one reason he became such a bogeyman on far right is that he criticized free-market fundamentalism and promotes a form of ordoliberalism. Wagenknecht called it "creative socialism" in her book, but it's not really socialism, it's part of a long, penny-pinching tradition in German history that's skeptical of the American and Anglo-style liberalism where you just let markets rip and see where the chips fall. That's way too disorderly for Germans. Generally speaking ordoliberals advocate for a state regulated market economy with anti-trust laws and a big focus on order and rules and price stability (and not going into debt). Schwab took to calling his version "stakeholder capitalism." Others have called it a "social market economy," and she has used that term as well.

>In both "Freedom instead of Capitalism" and "Prosperity without Greed," Wagenknecht draws heavily on the writings of ordoliberals such as Walter Eucken, Alexander Rüstow, and Alfred Müller-Armack, and evinces a certain nostalgia for the so-called ‘golden years,’ the ‘economic miracle’ of postwar West Germany, when ordoliberalism, as a political ideology, was arguably at its most influential. Wagenknecht portrays ordoliberalism as an alternative to neoliberalism understood as a doctrine of market radicalism, the destruction of the welfare state and rampant privatization, and sees Eucken, Rüstow, and Müller-Armack as proponents of a third way between capitalism and a planned economy. In other words, Wagenknecht contests the understanding of ordoliberalism as a German variant of neoliberalism by interpreting it as a German alternative to neoliberalism. She strongly implies that her own political vision of a “creative socialism” has more in common with the ordoliberal tradition than the current neo-liberal policies of the FDP, CDU, and SPD.


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>>2552164

I am aware of what ordoliberalism is, but did not know that Wagenknecht seemingly believed in it so strongly.

Its very telling actually that she conceives of it as in opposition to neoliberalism. Because in fact social-liberalism, ordoliberalism & libertarianism are just different contending wings if neoliberalism.

One of main divides being what to do with 'market emergent' monopolies & oligopolies; Anti-trust breakup for ordos & relative laissez faire for liberts.

Both agree to some degree with government welfare as stabilizing force; Though if memory serves Hayek kept changing his mind on what kind of & how much welfare provision.

Needless to say, all this is very far from even a partial & timid amount of central planning that even social democrats might support.

>>2552113
Galloway is total schizo and con artist, but an amazing orator.
He tells the press he has BSW-like policies, but then he sends leaflets to white neighbours full of Hitlerian language, and simultaneously sends leaflets to Muslim neighbourhoods calling for global jihad.



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