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>>2539182
are you saying they actually ship to russia

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>>2537207
>primitive accumulation is a phenomenon divorced from technological development…
Wrong again because this isn't connected to what I'm writing. For there to be generalized commodity production, so that capitalism can develop by accumulating capital in an economy, there must be changes in the superstructure of society, with the previous mode of production not adapted to the technological advancement that occurred. This is the case with the structures of feudalism, where with the technological advancement of large-scale production, the bourgeoisie were able to dismantle the control of the guilds, create a state that gives equal rights to men as long as it eliminates the obstacles to capital circulation, and prevents peasants and artisans from achieving self-sufficiency because they are unable to survive against competition in the production of goods in the market. This occurred as the bourgeoisie grew in the cities and technological advancements moved from artisanal production to production with manufacturing workers, to the factory system. As the bourgeoisie gained economic power, they used their influence to change the superstructure of the backward society in alliance with other working classes. As the proletariat developed, the bourgeoisie managed to establish itself as the new ruling class, becoming conservative as the proletariat became a force against it. Primitive accumulation depends on a bourgeoisie that strengthened itself to attempt to change society as organizational techniques were discovered. Wealth was accumulated by these bourgeoisie, which clashed with feudal privileges and the communal rights of peasants to their common lands. This was instrumental in consolidating capitalism, with colonization and mercantilism serving as the basis for generalized commodity production for the exploitation of wage labor, allowing it to spread rather than remain localized.

>primitive accumulation occurs in the 16th century; the industrial revolution occurs in the late 18th century…
Primitive accumulation is a preparation for the conditions that form capitalism, helping it to consolidate or form. British enclosure did not occur specifically in the 16th century, but rather was a process that developed until the 18th and 19th centuries with the Parliamentary Enclosure Acts. TPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

How does value change when goods move across markets?

For example let's say a ton of steel takes 1000 SNLT hours in country A, while in country B it's 200 SNLT hours due to higher automation.

So if A exports to B, is value being destroyed? Similarly, if B exports to A, is value being added?

>>2538988
trade deficits are good if you have currency hegemony (enforced by military hegemony)

trade deficits are bad if you don't have hegemony

to deindustrialize is the privilege of the imperial core, because they can force less developed countries with lower wages who use currencies with less purchasing power to produce them cheap commodities. These countries then hold massive stockpiles of a hegemonic currency (perhaps even the world reserve currency in the case of the USA) that is always inflating due to the trade deficit and money printer go brr. This is naturally unsustainable in the long term for the nation that does it, but is very good for its ruling class in the short term. A lot of apologetics are therefore built around justifying it.

>>2539303
I'm answering off the dome without citations here, but country B is not going to import a ton of steel from country A where it takes 5x as long to make. That would make no sense and be very expensive. But country B where 1 ton of steel takes 200 hrs to produce will be able to easily export to country A and any other country where it takes longer. This will induce those other countries to adopt country B's methods, since they are not competitive.

>>2539303
Marx usually did calculations in one nation. If you do it internationally with country A and B and there are also countries C,D,E,F and steel making tech is evenly distributed with most countries more like B then A, then the SNLT is ~200 hours and country A is doing socially unnecessary labor.

More precisely it would be an average but that would depend on the output. If only A and B exist and country A produces the most of an unfinished commodity like steel, as is usually the case, then it would be closer to the 1000, but if it were a finished good and the more efficient country produced way more then it would be closer to the lower number.

Either way "socially necessary" takes into account technological advancements, so digging a hole manually isn't more valuable when tractors are widely in use. And if 200 is the average then 800 isn't destroyed, it is appropriated through exchange, and transferred to the more efficient country. You are slower so only make 10 tons while they make 100. You still put in 10000 hours but that labor cost means that 8000 difference that is appropriated is distributed across the 100 tons that each net a profit of +80 hours per ton in superprofits above the 200.

Why a burger king a chicken farm woukd have been cooler

>>2539682
go to bed, himmler

>>2539621
much more important was the absence of industrialization, which just wasn't possible then.

>>2539658
The right wing griftosphere actually believes the propaganda that anifoo is an actual organization. It's a mind control technique of manufacturing panic. This keeps the herd in line so they won't pay attention to what's really happening. Same purpose with the manufactured drama and infighting on the right. The shutdown is to create panic for everyone, to create agitprop to 'justify' and further enable their coup against the Constitution. In sum, obfuscation via agitation.
Keep calm and rock on, I say. It can't last. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVhn1edWaDA

>>2539604
venezuela happens to not have the backing of a great power or superpower, so it's DOA

>>2539604
sanctions

>>2539684
Colombia and Venezuela should team up and fuck up the USAnos

New thread >>2539692

>>2539676
>>2539674
>>2539646
Oh! Oh! And one more thing I forgot: libs, MMT or otherwise, ALWAYS think that all laws and economic maneuvres were done as some kind of a planning ahead instead of an ad hoc measure that stuck around after solving the issue at hand. For example, they think that gold standard was abandoned because it was a better way for the world to move ahead, and not because USA desperately needed money for their ballooning economy to avoid the pop. This is the ideological thinking communists talk about when they want the world instead to seek materialist explanations. This is also one of minor reasons why MMT will never be tried - it doesn't propose any quick get rich schemes, instead it wants to remake the world into a "money is a social construct" meme

>>2539674
oof idk if it changes anything but

>The concept directly echoes what MMT maintains: that real resources (starting with human resources) represent the potential limit that states’ deficit spending might encounter.
was supposed to be a quote (the author doesnt say china explicitly endorses mmt just that it "echoes" it)

>what it basically is doing as a system is, we make everyone poorer, take the collected labor and redistribute it through hidden channels
yeah it definitely does do this but its advocates say its a sort of tax on hoarding by big borg. most people dont have savings so the inflated money supply mostly hits finance not workers. especially paired with a progressive tax and jobs program its meant to take money from the rich to pay for public works by redistributing it as wages

>Jerome did some ad hoc super printing and came to the conclusion that MMT will not work.
well yeah because they gave the money right back to the borg with the stipulation that they had to hire workers and instead they did stock buybacks lol

>>2539679
its just extremely stupid to try to do mmt and "free markets" at the same time. you need a dtop

MMT basically a trick to make social democracy seem like science, but bourgeois economics is anything but science.

>>2538561
I say shit like that and the main reason is that in the mind of the average westoid, “absence of evidence is not evidence of absence”(evidence of genocide) because le CCP censors and hides everything and has a complete chokehold on 99.99% of information somehow, therefore you need evidence that there ISNT a genocide, for which you can’t really say much except “if you go to xinjiang they don’t look like they’re being slaughtered”

>>2484791
Name one Gulag inmate who was innocent.

I'll wait.

Not Italy, but here's a paper on Motoyuki Takabatake's pro-Imperial stance.

>>2539482
I was watching an anti-communist documentary about labour camps. One of the people interviewed

>I was accused of smuggling goods through the iron curtain and giving intel to the CIA agents on the other side
What a terrible false accusation!
>Well, it was true
I laughed my ass off

The just reactionaryed their way to the medieval ages

>>2539489
He looks like he has FAS

>>2539625
I never saw a Fuentes clip in my entire life and ever since Kirk's neck did that thing I've seen like a dozen. Clearly his assassination was the best thing that's happened to this guy so far. He's now becoming a mainstream figure.

>>2539311
this is trve… what's the book name, interesting

>>2535250
>inviting Haz into conferences.
was skimming through archives of leftist organizations infighting in the us and found a vaguely similar invitation, picrel

<https://www.marxists.org/history/erol/ncm-3/ys-flunkey.htm
<https://www.nytimes.com/1977/08/26/archives/westerners-meet-chairman-hua.html
>Former President Richard M. Nixon saw him in February 1976 when Mr. Hua had just become Acting Prime Minister. The only other Americans to talk with him have been two Chinese‐American scientists and Michael Klonsky, head of the Communist Party of the U.S.A. (MarxistLeninist), which is a small pro‐Chinese rival of the pro‐Soviet Communist Party U.S.A. headed by Gus Hall.

>>2535250
I don't think the giga chad Xi is really a Chinese thing…

>>2539637
RCP still exists?

>>2539581
>Leave it to the libs to canvas and volunteer their time for the next psyop in line, for self-absolution. You don't need it.
I don't know why this bothers you so much. There are tens of thousands of people in New York who went and knocked on doors to get this guy elected to their mayor. In a democracy you have to be a player.

>>2539627
nta but is this an American thing? I'm from a country in EU where being a volunteer for a politician rarely happens, maybe small scale local level. Not to the scale that Americans seem to summon (tens of?) thousands of volunteers for already well funded (and lobbied!) parties every presidential election, for example.

I may show, my grass-deprivation but it looks kind of cultish. Like… don't they have money, your politicians?

>>2539631
i think it's just an anglosphere thing?

>>2539631
Hard for me to say but I've heard it said sometimes. Mainly from Russians actually. Like I heard it said that Americans look like they're always trying to influence things in some particular direction, or they treat politics like they do a sport. One caveat though is that tens of thousands of people sounds like a lot but it's both exceptional and highly unusal for a local political campaign and it's also New York City which has a population of 8.5 million.

>>2539631
It became more of a thing in the early 2000s when Obama used grassroots orgs to get elected.