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 No.1815878[Reply]

I am trying to understand more about the current Russian National Bolshevism, if there is a real ideology there or is it pure joke…

Does anyone know if there is an ideologist or any real theory that can be read about them? lol
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 No.1834344

>>1815878
>if there is a real ideology there or is it pure joke…
No ideology it is just a joke.
>Does anyone know if there is an ideologist or any real theory that can be read about them?
Not worth it but you should check out Yegor Letov he was an amazing poet, helped found the party, then distanced himself from it out of pure shame.

 No.1834729

>>1815946
Dugin is not a nazbol, but most self proclaimed nazbols are just conservative communists (by 50s standards, they are still feminist but oppose immigration and lgbt). They feel the need to add "national" to it because they watch too much western media and think every normal communist is socially liberal which is not always true.

 No.1834731

>>1815985
>Dugin tried to latch onto any movement that he perceived as "third-positionist"
*fourth-positionist (his own words)

 No.1834863

>>1815964
SO MUCH TOTALITARIANISM

 No.1834872

>>1815946
You're basically describing Fascism.



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 No.1834368[Reply]

It's often seen as a success story of a nation that built itself from scratch post-colonialism and as an example of IMF loaning "working" and of "moderate pragmatism" beating "ideological purity" (of e.g. Burkina Faso). At least that's the mainstream narrative.
But why did it not get the usual foreign-business/political-meddling/coups/destabilization cocktail its neighboring African nations had to deal with? What's the secret?
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 No.1834434

>>1834397
>90.2 wealth Gini

That's brutal. Is it accounting for tax havens or not, because if it is the latter we are closing to total wealth inequality for the Netherlands.
How can it be this fucked up?

 No.1834445

>>1834433
You're still in the top 3, shart
>>1834434
Gini can be calculated more reliably if a government or some sort of financial institution routinely and truthfully provides the statistics required for it. This means you do indeed have some leeway in assuming most periphery countries with low state capacity actually have it worse, especially for the ones that are already red with their sub-par info (so for example, Botswana).
Regardless, a Gini of 90 or more is still very shit in an absolute sense.

 No.1834493

>>1834445
We all know burgerville is the heart of darkness and only exists to spread misery and hopelessness around the world, however Europe especially places that are considered "civilized" and "progressive" deserve blame and not just Anglos.

 No.1834517

>>1834434
I think it's because home ownership rates are so low in Germany, I'm assuming Netherlands has a similar issue.

 No.1834573

>>1834403
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debswana
50/50 partnership between De Beers and the Botswanan state since the 70s, they're doing just fine.



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 No.1834523[Reply]

[okay so faggots I got a hot take that youŕe not ready for]

CHILD LABOR IN MODERATION CAN LEAD TO US SUCCESS

So for many years there has been them implementation of child labor laws, if you know the history of it then good if not look that shit up. BUT! Here I come. I offer you a solution to the problem that is plaguing the nation *Labor shortages*! There has been a push for college and less for people entering the workforce immediately after high school also there is a astigmatism that applies to both that and trade skills. Now that we got that out of the way, my proposal. I know that depending on your state (US specific) that 14 year olds and more-so 15 year olds are entering the workforce at the unskilled jobs. This would be things like housekeeping or like fast food. I know that my mother when she was a child that she was working in blueberry patches in the 1970ś as a white woman but now in 2024 there would be all hell raised if I suggested to my mother that I wanted to do the same thing she did for the summer instead of an intership/college class/ or a job relating to my future intended career. I am 21f for context. But I have been brainwashed as has everyone with the idea of college for all and this leads to the inflation of qualifications for jobs for now jobs that didn´t require a degree to now havi ng one compared to our parents who applied and are still employeed in the same sector. If we lower to the working age then we have more people that are getting money, you may suggest that people are only working at 14-16 if they need the money, but we are considering that the population of the working age in the united states is not increasing to support the large number of adults living past the working age (ss benefits/programs). So if we get a bunch of 12 year olds , even just lowering it by 2 years you start to get people that are working the jobs that no one wants, they get time management skills, and money which stimulates the economy. This is more kids buying like clothes or makeup or games and then in turn then parents can stop with this whole allowance gargin. WHICH I HATE. I HATE HATE HATE seeing bitches my age get an allowance like as soon as I got a job in high school part time any financial help from my parents seized, I know that this is just parents wanting to give their kids, but this is harmful both ways with an expectation of assistance and then the draining of parentś savings. We can see with millennials that therPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>1834523
There is no "labor shortage" "plaguing" the nation. There's low unemployment, which is good for workers and bad for capitalists. If the media has been catastrophizing to you about how nobody wants to work anymore, that's just bourgeois pear-clutching about having to pay higher wages because the surplus army of labor is smaller and the labor market is tighter. Children wouldn't get to freely choose whether to work because their parents ultimately control their lives, and would be the arbiters of whether their children got jobs or not. And that's not the only reason child labor would be bad for children. It would also give them less time to dedicate to leisure and to school. Children need childhoods, not to be turned into wageslaves the moment they're old enough to stand up. Do you want to extend the dip in this chart further left?

>draining of parents' savings

>financial security
The solution to this is the welfare state.
>expectation of assistance
conservative propaganda with no foundation in reality
>the population of the working age in the united states is not increasing to support the large number of adults living past the working age (ss benefits/programs)
First of all, this is the same argument that Ben Shapiro uses to defend raising the retirement age. Secondly, if you're worried about the median age growing, the solution to that is immigration. Lots of young workers want to come into the country and work and pay taxes. If you want more workers and more taxes, just let them in.

This post is reactionary. And it's terribly formatted.

 No.1834781

There is nothing inherently wrong with a little bit of work. The problem is in a capitalist society this little bit of work will quickly turn into a full day work day with barely any wage.

 No.1834960

>>1834732
hey so the idea of a general labor shortage isn´t as deep as you say bro. I am saying that the jobs that people are not fulfilling or don´t want to full since there has been a push for college for all are best for the younger generation. When I get my degree in a year I don´t want to be a cashier, but a 12 year old would be like ¨fuck yeah money¨. A lot of people are being discouraged to apply for these jobs since there is a stigmatization that if you have a degree you should use it and nobody really wants to be underemployed. Parents if they are fucking smart would encourage independence and growing up. You want your TEEN to live a better life than you have and you also want them to be successful and therefore the obvious intersection occurs when we lower the working age. There is 24hrs in a day and a teen is at the mercy (with exceptions due to family finances) to choose to pick up a job if they want. I am not forcing your tween-argue-on-the-internet ass to work. I am just saying that within the US that there would be a benefit and a stimulation of the economy if teens were given access to responsibilities younger. For school, this also would have to be a responsibility of the teen and what they can handle. If I was 12 I would totally work 10 or so hours a week so I can get coffee and save up for the newest Iphone. It also is helpful when it comes to school trips so it passes unnecessary costs to the child and makes them utilize decision-making skills.That chart you provided is bias seeking and therefore emotionally irrational and not applicable to this conversation.

 No.1835903

* I HAVE A NEW ADDITIONAL COMMENT*

After an insightful conversation between a classmate and the current state of exploited labor there is also the child federal labor wage. "youth minimum wage of not less than $4.25 an hour" (dol.org). With this said and the current 7.25 usd minimum wage there needs to be amendments. Under 18 cannot vote and can do more jobs than compared to the people at or above 65 years of old in the aspect of typically labor requiring lifting. A 12 year old would be more likely to carry a heavy 40 pound box than a 65 year old who has had a bad knee for a number of years. I know this isn't the instance 100% of the time but regardless, I think that the minimum wage needs to be raised if we allow the entry of 12 year olds into the labor market. And the same goes for without a lowering. It is unjust to say that someone is worth less in the area of just their age because the same wouldn't be said towards a 70 year old and they get the right to vote.

 No.1836772

>>1834960
>>1835903
this.
Part of the reason why adulthood is difficult is because of ridiculous liability laws barring teens from worldly affairs



 No.1832651[Reply]

At what point do monopoly super-profits paid to a substratum of workers switch to being something worthy of celebration to something of genuine concern. Should this be something that Marxists even care about?

Construction workers in one of Australia's largest states have reached an agreement that will have them paid wages equal to the top 1% of workers as a minimum, on major government projects. This is partly politics, partly because major infrastructure projects are one of the only things keeping this country artificially in growth.

Notably this doesn't apply to significant sections of the construction labour force, only for those workers on major government infrastructure projects, which are largely closed shops. Workers building domestic houses will still be paid shocking wages to work in terrible conditions.

Effectively this provides surplus wealth to a labour aristocracy at the direct expense of other government workers including healthcare workers in particular, who have average to terrible conditions and insane workloads.

Win for workers or another example of a politically connected minority extracting surplus wealth?
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 No.1833206

Well it's likely not permanent, although workers on these projects are being paid a lot more than they usually would, such a situation usually comes about to explain why the project in turn costs the taxpayer so much money. Government contracted construction is such a common target for such scams to transfer money from the state to the bourgeoisie.

So I'd not go to the point of saying these workers are labour aristocrats, their income is still just a fair weather as anyone else's and they'll be back to regular tradie wages as soon as there's too much heat on government spending on infrastructure projects.

 No.1833857

>>1832651
labor aristocracy doesnt have to result from imperialism it can also come about as a result of a skills shortage as highly skilled workers ex: engineers can demand a higher wage and better treatment, what stalin called the technical intelligensia, ironically the exact class that came to dominate the soviet government and eventually betrayed the USSR for its own class interests as they were jealous of their western counterparts relative living standard and prestige.

 No.1834178

There are 2 types of labor aristocracy:
doles paid out by imperialist governments to the unemployed (farmers in the West are such workers on the doles, and not economically useful people);
and then there is the fact of "drift" of certain professions between borders, and concetration of bankers, doctors and programmers etc in the imperial core

First type MUST BE destroyed because they are straight up parasites. Second type will get abolished simply by developing production forces elsewhere

 No.1834206

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>>1832651
The "labor aristocracy" isn't something you have to worry about unless the proletariat supports imperialism. In fact, that's basically the entire thrust behind this theory. Certain sections of the proletariat get paid more because they take on some degree of the loot taken from exploited nations, thus tying their material interests to the maintenance of imperialism.

I don't know about Australia, but in the United States it was essentially a way to explain why the AFL-CIO was so chauvinistic in the 60s and 70s and today, after the AFL-CIO has essentially crumbled to dust, is used by Gonzaloids and other assorted Maoids to justify counter-cultural contrarianism to claim that anyone they don't like who possesses any comfort or luxury whatsoever is one of these, despite the fact that imperialist wars are controversial at best among the American public and the American proletariat no longer sees any real material gain from imperialist adventures.

 No.1834207

>>1832651
The labor aristocracy is falling apart in the west and has been since 2008, but especially 2020. Basically all the traditional middle class jobs that arose around the turn of the 20th century and became the "dream" around the mid 20th century is basically over. The PMCs are being gutted basically leaving labor to purely service jobs which themselves are falling apart. Imagine what happens when they automate food delivery and taxis, you basically can say goodbye to that as well. Because AI is taking the labor intensive jobs and also the managerial jobs, all I can say is the future is grim for the human race.



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 No.1832240[Reply]

Political discourse has dropped off a cliff. No one could blame people for this. The political problems of today are massive in scale, existential in importance, and often deeply personal.
However, this is keeping anything from being done. This will continue. People will drive their party to take action, which will cause a backlash effect, halting progress in any direction.
Some people believe that the only way forward is the complete breakdown of the social order. These people are waiting for the violence to start. But we have to believe in a better way, or else we will eventually wind right back up where we are. No political system lasts forever, and even if your particular political utopia takes place, it can eventually devolve into what we have now.

What we need to avoid this is better tools - better tools for making decisions, better tools for informing the public, and better tools to direct our area of focus.
One of the things that I believe holding us back on this point is the present-day structure of political disagreements. That is to say - little or no structure at all.

When there are disagreements on a political point, the most productive way, currently, to resolve these disagreements (or at least air them out) is political debate. Ask yourself - is even the most well-run and polite political debate the best way to present an argument for the general public to make an assessment of who is correct for themselves?
First of all, it's nearly impossible to address every argument and piece of evidence provided. Arguments spread out like an infinitely deep tree structure - every argument can have one or more counter-argument, which can all be supported by one or more pieces of evidence, which can all have issues, and all those issues can have counter-points, and all those counter-points can have counter-points, ad infinitum… Even if you could present this in the theoretically perfect debate, and no one could follow it - and even if you could, you would have to look up all the citations for yourself. Even after all that research, there is little way for you to contribute to the argument other than start a whole new debate from scratch, which likely would not be perfect!

I propose that a Wiki-like structure is a more ideal way to structure an argument on any topic.
The initial topic of argument can be laid out with points and supporting arguments from each side. One or more counter-arguments can be liPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.1833312

>>1832578
I don't claim my idea can fix all of the problems with society, and I do agree there are huge benefits to a shared moral framework, however I still think my idea is worthwhile.
While it can't solve lack of social cohesion in everyday life and doesn't try to, it at least (theoretically) changes the context of our political discussions from adversarial to collaborative. I take issue with the idea that it is merely "tinkering" with the political discourse - I really believe this has the potential to change it by altering its context.
How are we supposed to solve anything if we can't talk to eachother? Say there is a possibility this type of system could lead us back to a shared moral framework by revealing your ideas as the most substantiated. You would rather everything fall apart first before that could happen? What's to stop it from happening again? What's the harm in trying?

 No.1833314

>>1833127
It does give me some feedback through lack of feedback, it tells me the idea of working with your political enemies is not so insulting to people in this context that they won't get distracted by another argument.

 No.1833455

>>1832240
>Political discourse has dropped off a cliff
did it though ? yeah we have more spectacle, because we consume more media, but realistically bourgeois democracy was always shit, liberalism offering a dead end and this realization and disenchantment of people for it is the real reason people perceive a decline in the political sphere

 No.1833466

>>1832240
>Political discourse has dropped off a cliff. No one could blame people for this.
Where? Among which people? Around which subjects?

 No.1833864

>>1832920
>>1832987

Two can play at this game:

Labeling scientific findings you do not like as “bourgeois” or “porky” is reactionary.

Wanting to ban drugs and undialectical.

Opposing decriminalization efforts is bourgeois decadence.

Being a stuck-up puritan is revisionism.



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 No.1831705[Reply]

How can the Socialist economic calculation problem be solved? Didn't Ludwig von Mises say that socialism has a major problem that has something to do with information or something? Apparently it's a big problem capitalists seem to have with socialism, and part of the reason why many of them oppose it.

Pic rel is not a reflection of my political views.
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 No.1832661

>>1831885
Exactly this. Capitalists' opposition to socialism is for no other reason than pure self-interest, regardless of how they intellectualize it. And why shouldn't they seek to uphold a system that benefits them? It's the same reason why proletarians become socialists — because it is in *their* material interests.

 No.1832879

>>1831872
Prior to contemporary cybersocialism, what were other attempts to respond to the calculation problem critique? I'm already aware of Kantorovich, and have heard Dobb and Neurath brought up in passing.

 No.1833398

>>1832134
Who outright said this?

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 No.1833754

>>1832879
lange-lerner model also comes to mind though cockshott actually addresses this and previous models in his works. just read some of this pdfs



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 No.1833385[Reply]

I started reading his "History and class consciousness", and it looks very convincing so far. Why is he apparently foundational to "western marxism", which was an utter failure? Is there something reactionary and opportunist in his work?
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 No.1833436

>>1833429
But have you attained the 18th level of enlightenment

 No.1833442


You know nothing Jon Blow

 No.1833451

>>1833389
What does it mean to be anti-humanist?

 No.1833454

>>1833451
Choke people

 No.1833510

>>1833451
it means you're against humanism



 No.1789401[Reply]

People do not understand the Luddites, they claim Luddites rejected "progress" in fact they revolted against their subordination into the emerging class of industrial proletarians, enslaved both to modern mechanical terrors and their erudite and unscrupulous owners
There are technologies that can and must be redeployed like networked tech, communications, and computer algorithms, technologies that must be reconfigured like modern agriculture, and energy infrastructure, technologies that must be heavily reduced in usage down to purely necessary tasks like plastics, and technologies with no ethical or safe usage like nuclear weapons and automated weapons system that should just be abolished entirely

People here will deny it, lots of leftists are blinded by the panopticon.

In the modern world, those who reject so called technological innovation and "progres" are trash, but those that submit to the technological terror of the bourgeoisie are lower than that! And that's why the Luddites were true heroes.
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 No.1789924

>>1789635
fuck, i know for a fact this is going to become real discourse in 20 years and it makes me furious

 No.1791468

>>1789455
How are you going to stop others from developing said technology?
You wanna become grand Overlord of the planet?

 No.1791491

>>1791468
Why do you assume I want to control what other people do?
What technology is even produced with a single input?
Even stone tools had to be developed over millennia

 No.1833428

>The Luddites were true heroes
I agree

 No.1833441

>>1789401
Everyone knows.
Also, read CLODO.
The similarities are enough for a modern re-telling:



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 No.1833267[Reply]

Haven't seen a thread from News Anon 3.0 in a bit. Last thread was 04/18. Not to be greedy, but I'm a big fan of their coverage. Anyone online knowledgeable about their disappearance? Thanks.

 No.1833268

>>1833267
He said he was going to be away for some time, a week or more

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 No.1833275

I ate thos food

 No.1833280

>>1833270
Appreciate it. Speedy recovery, News Anon.



 No.1793036[Reply]

Why are reactionaries so obsessed with repealing the social and cultural changes of the 1960s? Even today you listen to turds like Chris Rufo go on about 1968 was the year american succumbed to cultural Marxism, or at least began it's long march to such.

>The politics of the Gingrich revolution of the nineties are locked in a strange obsession with the politics they purport to repeal-the politics of the late sixties. House Majority Leader Dick Armey, Republican of Texas, forthrightly set out the conventional loathing: "To me all the problems began in the sixties." But the troops of the New Right are far more nourished by the sixties than they appreciate. The sixties provide the right both an evil to extirpate and a libertarian ethic to emulate.


<In the words of Speaker Newt Gingrich, Ph.D., American history breaks in half in the sixties. During the years 1607 through 1965, Gingrich said not long after assuming the leadership of the House, "There is a core pattern to American history. Here's how we did it until the Great Society messed everything up: don't work, don't eat; your salvation is spiritual; the government by definition can't save you; governments are into maintenance and all good reforms are into transformation." Then came the deluge, Gingrich continued: "From 1965 to 1994, we did strange and weird things as a country. Now we're done with that and we have to recover. The counterculture is a momentary aberration in American history that will be looked back upon as a quaint period of Bohemianism brought to the national elite"-the notorious "counterculture McGoverniks," an elite who "taught self-indulgent, aristocratic values without realizing that if an entire society engaged in the indulgences of an elite few, you could tear the society to shreds."


>Gingrich's generation of Republican first-termers, like Ronald Reagan's ideologues before them, toss the word "revolution" around rather lightly. The collapse of communism hardly left them complacent, but rather pumped up their sense that America trembles on the edge of a chasm. Thus Irving Kristol in 1993: "There is no 'after the Cold War' for me. So far from having ended, my cold war has increased in intensity, as sector after sector has been ruthlessly corrupted by the liberal ethos. . . . Now that the other 'Cold War' is over, the real cold war has begun.
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 No.1831065

>>1793091
The concept of natives resisting a colonizing ideology meets w/ "grifters gonna grift" & "subversives gonna subvert". One could go on about NPC's, impressionable youths, organized religions, psychophysiology, etc

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 No.1831205

ameriKKKan thread

 No.1831213

>>1830882
yeah, this such an ameriKKKan thread. the 60's fucking sucked here in Brazil, the USA supported a military coup and and we STILL haven't recovered from that (Bolsonaro government and its consequences…)

 No.1833164

>>1793091

a lot of the people who have heard of emo and furries etc have also heard of punk; a large portion of them probably decided it wasn't for them and didn't participate so it's not a very good analogy. also ignoring that emo came out of punk.

i for one would say that conservatives are somewhat correct in saying they are the new punk rock. punk wasn't just Crass, it was also a lot of shit like Jim Goad writing pro-rape zines.



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