Organize communities into autonomous units. Seize and repair empty buildings to turn into homes. Turn empty lots into community gardens. Abolish police and white people.
>>524278Nuke America, simple as.
wasn't there research done that found the property there is dirt cheap (not that anybody is going to bother kicking out squatters)
general plan outline:
>put together a team with appropriate skills
>set up a homestead type of operation focused on sustainably acquiring food and clean water (see permaculture for this)
>build party membership by starting with the most conscious segments of the population and working towards mass recruitment slowly as the operation expands
>train cadres not just in weapons use but unit tactics, point defense, area denial, etc to keep out gangsters and police (but I repeat myself)
>export surplus to neighboring cities and towns, take payment and donations to put into building up infrastructure
>work towards reclaiming abandoned factories and refurbishing them to start doing manufacturing, starting with things the project needs (like farm tools, weapon manufacturing, etc)
>document everything (securely) and use the process as an experimental 21st century commune
>spread propaganda online to teach people to do similar things elsewhere and to attract interest and resources to the project (and help ensure the documentation isn't lost)
tl;dr speedrun agriculture and industry while avoiding re-establishing a class system.
There's already people doing various levels of this in many places, but for somewhere as fucked as Detroit you would basically have to uproot yourself completely and make this your life instead of something you do on the side. That's the main issue here. It's a lot harder to start something like this than to join once it exists, in basically all respects. If you wanted a good shot at success it would make more sense to "colonize" the area as an offshoot of an already established movement that could benefit from external support from the jump.
>>524319>wasn't there research done that found the property there is dirt cheap (not that anybody is going to bother kicking out squatters)There's a lot more vacant lots that vacant buildings left after decades of annual Devil's Nights.
>The Detroit Data Collaborative's block-by-block analysis of about 343,849 residential parcels found that about 64 percent contained occupied housing, nearly 10 percent had vacant homes and more than 26 percent were empty lots.
>estimates of Detroit's vacant land range from a low of about 24 square miles to a high of about 40 square miles of abandoned land in the 139-square-mile city.
>>524321Most of that stuff is probably rotted away though. You can't just let roads and pipes sit for 20 years then come back and expect them to be in condition
>>524319>tl;dr speedrun agriculture and industry while avoiding re-establishing a class system.literally the walking dead comic plotline to reestablish civilization after the apocalypse. Gonna need to wall off all settlements and use APCs for travel tbh.
>Then when you succeed or become notable the capitalists come in and take over
>>524324Well they are still in use by the people who still live on those blocks I think. They're probably maintained.
Doing google 3D view on Detroit is fun. Seriously go to any suburb and at least half the houses are gone.
>PicrelI call this one: Drive-On-The-Grass-And-Do-Donuts Park.
>>524278>that descriptionDetroit can't be THAT bad, can it?
>>524342To be fair, Baltimore is gentrifying a lot. You literally see 35-year old white women yuppies in Lululemon attire jogging only a few blocks away from deteriorating row houses.
>>524335depends on what parts you go too, like most big cities.
>>524342My suspicion is that Detroit feels creepier and more dangerous because so much of it is abandoned.
>>524342yeah he has not seen homicide: life on the streets
>>524350True but you don't see blocks and blocks of empty lot in Bmore like you do in the D. Bmore was established in the 1700s around the horse and buggy so it's highly compact. Detroit has always been notoriously car-centric given its status as the hub of the auto industry so it's all spread out. Hence all the spread out lots.
>>524278it's already fixing itself now that the suburban boom is dying down and business is trickling back into the downtown core
detroit become human insurrection playthrough
>how do we fix Detroit?
Sewer Socialism
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>>524386https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sewer_socialism#:~:text=The%20sewer%20socialists%20fought%20to,sometimes%20called%20"constructive%20socialism".
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaSewer socialism was an originally pejorative term for the American socialist movement that centered in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, from around 1892 to 1960.[1] The term was coined by Morris Hillquit at the 1932 Milwaukee convention of the Socialist Party of America as a commentary on the Milwaukee socialists and their perpetual boasting about the excellent public sewer system in the city.[2]
>>524387Anarchists could never
>>524387wtf I love reformism now
>>524278Abolish the
BURGER LAW
>>524414This is actually quite sad.
Question: are there any comrades on here who are from Detroit and can give actual info about the city?
>>524278>how do we fix Detroit?TND
We turn all the empty lots into parking.
>city bad because I felt it was bad
Really?
>>524485Detroit is bad tho.
>>524485You've obviously never been.
>>524487Everyone believes their own country is the worst unsafest place in the world. Show me statistics instead of asking me to fly there, lmfao.
>>524303Everything you said is retarded except murdering all cops and white people
>>52447099% white countries dont have crime
wait……..
Detroit is fundamentally different from other slums in the world. Generally speaking, slums and ghettos formed because people from diseastablished rural communities are fleeing en masse to the cities to get job at a faster rate than the cities are developing residential properties. In Detroit and other US cities its the opposite; the bourgeois are the ones fleeing from the cities which in large part has lost their economic viabiliy due to deindustrialization
Even if you managed to fix urban crime rates, so what? There is still no job, no investment, no nothing. It is simply economically dead and if the government is smart they'd put all the lumpen elements into reeducation camps like in China and then let the city fade (also happening in China with their ghost towns)
Give the land back to the Kickapoo tribe.
>>524535>Generally speaking, slums and ghettos formed because people from diseastablished rural communities are fleeing en masse to the cities to get job at a faster rate than the cities are developing residential properties. In Detroit and other US cities its the opposite; the bourgeois are the ones fleeing from the cities which in large part has lost their economic viabiliy due to deindustrialization I know I'm going to sound like a reactionary POS here, but the reasons for white flight are a lot more complex and nuanced than "white people racist."
I'm not that familiar with Detroit history but I am very familiar with Chicago history. Chicago is the most segregated city in America and people outside the city like to blame the segregation for the crime and poverty. What they don't understand is how the racial and ethnic segregation in Chicago was a response to several instances of race/ethnic riots in the city's history. During the 1919 Steel Strike for instance there was an incident called "Red Summer" which was a race riot between Blacks and Irish (mostly Irish gangs provoking Black communities). Multiple people died and sections of the city were devastated. This lead to the Black and Irish areas of the South Side being distinctly segregated along racial lines.
Later, a lot of white flight in Chicago happened at the end of the 1960s following the riots which occurred after MLK's assassination. Places like Garfield Park used to be mixed Black and white until nearly all the white people fled after the riots. They took their businesses and capital with them and not Garfield Park is statistically the most violent hood in the city (about 1-2% of the residents has been shot in case you need to know how fucked it is).
Nowadays there's all this talk about fixing American cities by making them less car dependent and introducing mixed-use zoning in place of single-family zoning. Even though these proposals sound very good I'm skeptical only because I highly doubt most white petit-bourgs are going to want to set up shop in a mixed-use building in an area where gang activity is heavy. Imagine your store is on the first floor while there's active members of the GDs or Vice Lords living on the second and third floors. You'd be scared shitless that the opps are going to show up and start shooting at your store because they know where their enemies are living.
My point is that it's a chicken-and-egg scenario. We all want to blame racist whites or Robert Moses (LOL great man of history meme) for fucking up the cities, but the truth is a lot of that segregation was triggered by already-existing crime and tensions and ultimately created more crime and ethnic tensions. It's a vicious cycle.
>>524546? i'm not saying that the bourgs fled from Detroit (solely because) they are racist. My whole point is that these cities are simply economically unviable. Like, even if you get rid of crime and ethnic tension and rehabilitate gangbangers why would bourgs open shops in Detroit? Shops catering to upwardly mobile middle class elements can only thrive if there is a middle class in the first place, and middle class people won't move to Detroit because there is simply no job there. There is a cycle of underdevelopment happening in US cities, where you can't build capital because you don't have money because you don't have capital, same cycle happening in the third world.
>>524332>two rich white boys from the suburbs looking to buy drugs end up getting murked by ghettoized prolesPlease tell me why I should feel sorry for these crackers.
It’s funny because I remember how 13-14 years ago (pre-Occupy) anarchist comrades of mine would talk endlessly about moving to Detroit in order to squat those abandoned city lots into urban gardens to revitalize the city and form something like an Anarchist Catalonia in America. Keep in mind, these were white comrades from the Boston and NYC Areas who were mostly college-educated and felt they knew better than the residents already there. Looking back, these schemes which seemed compelling at the time would have been chauvinist if put into practice. The locals don’t want to see a bunch of white hipsters from the east coast taking over their city and turning it into “their” Utopia.
imagine if we had a gooning commune
>>524657>who were mostly college-educatedlol of course
>>524278In the mid-20th century, Detroit was a prosperous and growing city thanks to the booming auto-industry centered there. Unemployment was low and the UAW had unionized the whole industry so it wasn't hard for white workers to get a high-paying job, although segregationist policies locked poor blacks out of the market. Deindustrialization and the outsourcing of labor in the auto-industry to foreign countries with lower wages lead to all the jobs leaving the city, and the middle-class white suburbanites leaving with them, leaving behind only the poor inner-city blacks. The infrastructure of the city was built around cars and the auto-industry, with low-density and no public transportation, so the city wasn't attractive for companies in post-industrial sectors like technology. The population of the city is one third of what it was in the 1950's.
How do we fix it: jobs and money need to come in. The Detroit city government has known for decades what needs to be done to improve the city, they just can't afford it. Bulldoze the endless sprawl of abandoned buildings, build a modern city, invest in better education, better-funded social programs, and a public jobs program to employ the large unemployed population to build new high-density infrastructure. Money needs to come in.
Basically the black people are too poor. It's kind of the same problem everywhere in America has. The crime is just a symptom of the poverty.
>>524657>”nooooo we can’t do anarchism because we aren’t morally perfect enough!!!”Pottery
>>524332This is like an old MadTV skit.
>>524332Most hilarious thing I’ve seen all week.
>>524657>Keep in mind, these were white comrades from the Boston and NYC Areas who were mostly college-educated and felt they knew better than the residents already there.You say this like poverty and racism don't deliberately deprive people of an education that would empower them to do things like set up their own commune. The population of Detroit are not indigenous people living in some traditional manner. They are discarded chronically impoverished and racially marginalized exurbanites. It's not chauvinist to recognize the wretched conditions they are made to suffer. It's chauvinist to characterize the situation as unfixable in general or especially unfixable by relatively well off white people per se, considering the situation is manufactured by rich (predominantly) white people in the first place.
>>524801It’s what Zizek calls false egalitarianism.
>>524335Pretty solid description of the east side.
>>524278yeah nah, it's just a racist fuckhead talking shit about places he's never been to, like xinjiang or north korea.
i can't drive one mile here without running into some form of construction.
>>524841Which part of the D are you in?
san francisco is the new detroit and the solution to the san francisco problem is to implement a ranked choice voting system so that congressmen don't get to have control over local fiefdoms without being broadly popular among the people supporting their party so that ghouls like pelosi and gruesome newsome can be removed from power and replaced with better politicians
>>524913san francisco is not the new detroit lol. try to find an abandoned lot in san francisco, it's one of the most desirable areas in the world
>>524913>san francisco is the new detroitNot even close. No one is leaving the Bay en masse; it's actually the opposite given that everyone and their grandmother would move to the Bay Area if they had the opportunity. San Fran is the epitome of a boom town.
If anything, LA is the "new Detroit" in the sense that everyone and anyone is leaving the city. Last time I was there for a visit not too long ago I couldn't believe how many white folks were fed up with LA and California politics in general and wanted to leave for Texas or Florida. The Hispanics and Filipinos all wanted to stay though.
>>524278Do whatever the fuck China is doing
>>524917The lots are not abandoned but unoccupied. Kulaks can’t sell the property for their absurdly high prices so they consider it a “business loss” and get a tax break.
>>524332Holy motherfucker, the killers are the perfect Stirnerite egoists. Not giving a fuck.
>>525046Why is the letter D stylized like that?
>>524332Honest question: why should colonized peoples apologize for killing colonizers? We don't ask Palestinians to apologize for killing Zionists. Why should we insist Black folks apologize to whites?
>>524278What are loosies?
>>525088Blacks in the USA are colonizers.
>>525072blackletter/gothic type is used a lot in 90s/00s gangster rap aesthetics
>>525089individual cigarettes
>>524332EXTREME BVRGER PVNK LQRE
>>524488>Everyone believes their own country is the worst unsafest place in the world.Nope
>>525102Explain how and why.
>>525046I feel sorry for that beat.
>>525216They were brought here to serve what is essentially an imperialist colonizing machine? It's like the Indians whom the British brought to their African colonies. Yes they were practically slaves who did not receive much, if any benefit from the colonial powers that brought them there, but their existence still fueled the imperialist machine and from the perspective of the natives they were essentially foreigners who competed over resources with the "actual native" populations. That's why there were often conflicts between native and Asians in say Africa and the Pacific Islands even though these two groups were equally oppressed by the system.
>>525251This is why i am a bit iffy when people emphasized decolonial narratives over anti-capitalism and anti-imperialism in general. Because it can quickly devolve into blood and soil/ethnic essentialist discourse.
It is not for nothing that Dugin fashioned himself as a decolonial and anti-imperial activist.
Bring back the Circus Maximus and put it in Detroit.
>>524332Free these comrades.
>>524278>real world Planet of the ApesNot-so-subtle racism there.
>>524414And Ukraine is getting all the money that should go to Detroit.
>>524414holy shit thats ghetto. Bros lets say you had to live one of these homes and couldnt leave detroit. How would you survive? I would build a perimeter wall with wires like a prison, fill it with cameras and load up with weapons inside. then id get satellite internet, fix up the home, find a chubby detroit shawty and make some halfblack communist babies
>>524414Looks like it was hit by a bomb. Not exaggerating.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil's_NightThe Detroit tradition of seeing how many buildings they can burn down on Halloween. Record so far was 800+ in one night.
They still keep the tradition alive to this day.
>>524352WE BACK TO UTOPIAN WITH THIS ONE 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
>>525409So that explains why so many empty houses "mysteriously" burn down.
Relocate Gaza refugees to the city.
Honestly, the main reason why Americans hate on Detroit is because the D represents the shame Americans feel knowing their system is so delicate. Detroit was the "Paris of North America" during its heyday, a massive industrial centre which mass-produced the staple of the American economy: the car. The fact that such a glorious city could fall from grace within a few short decades is a huge source of shame on the American psyche.
Detroit is bad, but there are plenty of other American cities that have suffered the same fate, like Baltimore. But again, everyone hates on Detroit because of what it represents. There are actually way more murders per capita in Bmore and St. Louis yet neither city is nearly as stigmatized.
>>525503Detroit didn't take that title because of city planning, dumbdumb. It had that title due to its prosperity during its heyday.
>>525509That still doesn't make sense. New York or London would be better titles for prosperity.
>>525511Well you'll have to debate with whomever came up with that title.
>>524636>>524640>>524701>>524717>>524722>>525042>>525088>>525120>>525363Did you even watch the video?
These two boys were driving to a relative's house in west Detroit. The media put the spin that they were attempting to buy drugs because no one from the suburbs could understand why two white boys would drive into Detroit on their own free will. The killers were pieces of shit who broke into a bunch of houses, killed an old man who tried calling the police, forced a guy to receive oral sex from a girl they were with and shot him in the head while she was sucking his cock. They weren't anti-colonial heroes or whatever you think.
>>525519I didn't watch the vid. To get back to this post
>>525042 what's wrong with raping and murdering some random geek off the street?
Update: I watched 11 seconds of the video. They said "murdered execution style", which is a paradoxical statement. An execution is not a murder.
>>525524Point is I gave up on the vid
>>524414Who the hell keeps cutting the grass?
>>525519>forced a guy to receive oral sex from a girl they were with and shot him in the head while she was sucking his cock. Sounds like typical anarchist praxis.
>>525521>An execution is not a murder.how is it not?? assuming it's done without 'legitimate authority' which would make it not murder
>>525519Colonizers shouldn’t be in Detroit to begin with. Do you feel sorry when white tourists get killed in Haiti?
>>525668>Colonizersnot a thing anymore sorry
>>525677sir im a proletarian
>>525676White people need a strong state (police) in order to guarantee their “right” to the city. New Afrikans (“Black peoples”) do not.
>>525493You’re breeding too much into it. People don’t hate Detroit because of what it symbolically represents. They hate Detroit because it’s a real stain on America. Baltimore isn’t nearly that bad and is actually heavily gentrifying in many places. The area around JHH no longer needs security guards to escort hospital workers to the metro if you need indication of how much better Baltimore is. Detroit is still shit because it missed out on the gentrification wave of the early 2010s. At this point it might as well be turned back into farmland.
>>525761>Detroit is still shit because it missed out on the gentrification wave of the early 2010s.That sounds like success to me though
>>525691did paris deindustrialize?
>>525700>the police only helps those with money>but with sakai brain worms on topvery cool
>>525778Most whites in cities have loads of money.
>>525806youre right, but you make it sound like its 1:1 tied to race. cops dont care about poor white people either
>>525808And the vast majority of whites/settlers in the cities aren’t poor.
>>524278kill whitey hes what detroit in this mess.
>>524278N way Detroit can be worse than Honduras. Central America has a sky high murder rate and femicides are hella common.
>>525827And the majority of poor whites in rural areas like Appalachia are poorer than blacks in Detroit.
>>525827youre just going around in circles now
>>52441460 MILLION FOR UKRAINE
PENNIES FOR DETROIT
>>524278>how do we fix Detroit?With a Fanon.
>>525870How do people trapped in the city live when 75% of their infrastructure has decayed like this?
>>526055Isn't it just the suburbs that are like, not the actual city?
>>525778dis cracker isnt scared of the police LMAO
>>526065That has to be the saddest demographics chart I’ve ever seen.
>>525573Most of that grass looks dead.
>>525573>>526205Looks like it is winter.
Detroit died largely because the corrupt city politicians kept trying to prop up a dying industry (auto industry) rather than attract newer industries. Greedy porkies who moved the auto industry out of Detroit are bad, sure, but politicians did nothing to replace the lost industry.
Also says a lot that cars was the only major industry in Detroit to begin with. For most thriving American cities it's universities and medical technology/hospitals. Look at Boston, Pittsburgh, etc. Heck, Johns Hopkins Hospital and Johns Hopkins U are the only things keeping Baltimore afloat.
>>526206Does grass shrink in the winter?
>>524278bring the factories back. invest in things that aren't cars. increase federal funding. but that won't happen
>>526224Isn’t this called the Dutch Disease or something?
Reminds me of how the cotton industry pretty much held back the US South in terms of development because all the South did was grow cotton.
Abolish single family homes and cars. Turn the entire city into an eco village.
>>526336>factoriesAnd what should they produce?
>>526347Split Detroit up into a series of decentralized eco villages and abolish “Detroit” as an entity.
>>524278Gun restrictions and basic services but thats impossible because it would be communism and detroit is in usa.
>>526380Cars? Semiconductors? Machine-tools?
This is not even a "how should we account for demand under socialism" question. The US is so severely lacking in domestic production of so many things it is not funny. Any new factories are more than welcome.
>>524278-self defense corps
-unionize the police
-develop means of production to displace the black market economy
wa la
>>524324Correct. Those abandoned homes that were being sold for a dollar require tens — if not hundreds — of thousands of dollars in repairs.
>>526619We were talking about infrastructural hookups not the value of condemned houses. Obvs a condemned house is worth the price to demolish it. That is why the city is spending millions each year to demolish all the vacant buildings. The land and the infrastructural hookups are still valuable. Hh
>>526627All right, nevermind, its all just MGTOW clingeposting.
>>526628>>526627It's a splinter by some guy that didn't like the anti-idpol and anti-incel rules, so they made their own board and it's basically just /polr9k/ without anything leftist, since any meaningful materialist analysis that conflicts with thinktankisms gets you instabanned on there.
>>526634>>526654At the very least, a major improvement could be making large swaths of downtown pedestrian-and-bike only like most European cities.
>>525827If a white homeless guy is being beaten by the cops, which hand do you jerk off with, acab-bro?
>>524686>>525503>>526347>>526464>muh car-centric infrastructure>muh single-family homesHuge red herrings. Even if Detroit was built like a European city it would still be a shithole, specifically because of LACK OF INDUSTRY. It doesn't matter how many mixed-use buildings you have or how many bike lanes or how many golf courses get turned into urban farms. What matters is that there's zero jobs and the population of Detroit which can't afford to leave has nowhere to fucking work and make enough in wages so they can leave or better their standard of living.
>>526672>>526716Many Americans in their quest to fling mud on cars and suburbs (though not without reason) end up bending the stick 180° towards a fetish of public transport and urban living. Ties in with mindlessly praising social-democrat health systems in Europe.
>>526716>Huge red herringsIt has been literally found that the suburbs are linked to poverty, and also has been found that the best things that lead to "pulling yourself by the bootstraps" is a public transportation system (which is barely a thing in those suburbs).
Even on the outset it's obviouse.
Walkability -> More dense living -> more jobs and developed services around you -> better opportunity.
Also
Walkability -> not needing a car -> save money on not needing a car (saving $10,000 a year).
>What matters is that there's zero jobsWhere are the jobs most likly going to be?
<The space where you can cwram 10 to 100 of them, and if any go out of business another can easily take over the locationor
<The space with fewer locations to stuff business, and the place has specifically built buidlings for the business that less types of businesses can take over because of it's design, (if a taco bell goes out of business, what type of business can take over that location? Exactly. It's the reason for why big box stores and malls are constantly going out of business, (other than a few other things)).
>>526716>>526717>>526732It's not directly/mostly related to the specific issue of that specific city, but it'd still be better to do it though.
>>526717Meanwhile, Europe is full of poverty depending on the country. Muslim immigrants are shoved into ghettos where they remain exploited and ignored.
>>526464TBH, shit like this is exactly why most schemes to "fix" cities end up failing or being nothing more than a backdoor to intense gentrification. Do-gooder bougie white liberals implement reforms which only appeal to other bougie white liberals. Bike lanes are a big one. Housing co-ops are another one. "Plant trees not XYZ", gluten free donut shops, replacing basketball courts with dog walking parks, etc. The problem is, white liberals utilize these things primarily out of ideological reasons when the working-class should be the ones utilizing them out of survival. How many of these "eco" apartment units are affordable to proles, or how many of these "no waste" cooperative grocery stores take EBT?
>>526741Ironic, because Montreal is notoriously good when it comes to Europe-like urbanism.
>>526766Did someone actually use this AI slop for something? LMAO.
>>526740Nice things aren't cheap. Shit things are. If we enshittify everything then it will be affordable. Even shit things are expensive if their location is near a city center because proles aren't allowed to have anything that doesn't actively make their lives worse.
>>526802Dog walking parks are almost exclusively for porkies and little porkies. Bike lanes have been proven to increase gentrification.
You can’t blame working class people for being skeptical.
>>526814Dog parks are for people without yards so they can let their dog of leash outdoors. Every townhouse complex has one now it seems. It's just a small patch of grass with a gate around it lol.
>>526814I bet you think driving a pickup is what makes you 'working class' right
>>526796Yes, so the solution is to bring jobs and industry back to these cities so proles who can't afford to leave can afford whatever gluten free eco garbage the hipster gentrifiers are selling.
Cart before horse.
>>526738European style reforms are the only thing Americans will get. Being a leftist in America essentially means you support America implementing European social democracy. So why the hostility? Even American anarchists will say state run healthcare and more funding to government run schools is needed.
>>526767I made it because I was bored.
>>526842Plenty of people who aren't as retarded as MAGA Communists also have workerist spooks
>>526886Anti-workerism is bourgeois
>>526814>Bike lanes have been proven to increase gentrification.non-thinktank source?
>>524278>how do we fix Detroit?"We" don't "fix" Detroit.
Detroiters who still live in their city will be the ones who "fix" it. Not us.
>>527006He doesn’t even live in Detroit anymore.
>>527243He needs to be sacrificed.
>>526958Alright, so how will the Detroiters who still live in their city "fix" Detroit
>>527247Definitely not by doing whatever pink-haired grad students tell them to do.
>>527247You give them resources and money so they can be autonomous and save their own city.
>>527313>just give them taxpayer money!!socdem moment
>inb4 "oh so youd rather it goes to israel??????"no i want communism
>>527319What do you have to offer to the people of Detroit other than gentrification and the smug satisfaction that they are on the Right Side Of History because they're Real Communists?
Real “we’ll make the desert bloom” vibes ITT.
>>527413After watching so many urban planning videos on youtube, this should be child's play to us.
>>527419Not Just Bikes never shows you Muslim ghettos in Europe though. He’s a major cuckdem.
Cooperative enterprises where the employees own most of the shares (only 10-20% by capitalists, if necessary) or all of them, when the employment contract of an employee ends if (s)he doesn’t renew it it triggers a buyback for his/her shares. Allocating part of the revenues to improving the community. In addition to the enterprise having HR , it should also have a in house physicians and dentists who are part of the labor force of the business and provide healthcare and dental care as social benefit for the rest of the employees.
Using crowdfunding model to collect money as low interest loan from ordinary people to finance the startup costs, thus giving commoner an additional passive income, and the means of production are fully owned by the workers.
The government receives more tax money, and as this business model gets adapted by more people capitalists lose their control over the economy and State.
>>527419>urban planningsir i want to abolish the distinction between town and country
>hipsters think they can “fix” Detroit
Meanwhile they can’t even fix Brooklyn, Boston, Portland, or LA.
NYC was a major shithole in the 70s and 80s. How did it recover?
>>527479>How did it recover?By Rudy Giuliani.
>>527571He used RICO to take down the mafia and then started using it on the drug gangs. It was a police state but at least it enabled NYC to gentrify.
>>527568Although with gentrification I’d call it more of a “costal they/therm’s burden” than a white man’s burden.
>>527479the low rents funded an art scene that the capitalists have been profiting off of for half a century now.
entire city thought 100/mon in rent was extortion in the 80s. if anything its fallen.
>>528329NYC didn't start heavily gentrifying until the mid 90s though. By that time the art scene thing was coming to an end. Giuliani going apeshit with RICO is a much bigger culprit.
Detroit will likely slowly gentrify and pivot to tech and the service sector over time, like other failed rust belt cities that outsourced their industries and collapsed. It'll probably redevelop outwards from the slightly more salvageable areas closer to the core where white hipsters can do experiments in YIMBY urban planning and where third rate tech bros can take advantage of cheaper rents while working remotely. Downtown Detroit is already gentrifying, and this pattern will only continue.
It will probably still be a shithole in the suburbs, particularly as the city will have limited resources to supply such a spread out land area with essential services. The impoverished black population will most likely be pushed further in that direction as rents closer to downtown become more expensive, in a common reversal of the pattern where whites dominate the suburbs and poor blacks live in the hollowed out urban center.
The parts of the suburbs that are too far flung even for that will simply revert to greenspace and farmland, or ruins. Detroit's former sprawl is not something that you can so easily save.
When climate change starts to make the Sun Belt unlivable, people in those areas may start to migrate back towards the Midwest in larger numbers. However, even a growing Detroit in a revitalized Midwest will never achieve anything like its former glory. Cities like Minneapolis or Chicago or likely even Cleveland are already better developed and better poised for economic growth in the region.
The future of sprawling Sun Belt boomtowns like Phoenix, LA, Houston, and so on will look quite a lot like modern Detroit. Industries will dry up, the climate will become inhospitable, and the vast suburbs will crumble into poverty and destitution while the recoverable core districts will gentrify and upzone. It's a ticking time bomb, right up there with the risk of basing your national economy on financials/services/tech instead of actual industry. The decay will get ugly.
>>528360Agree with everything you said except for LA becoming a ghost town. LA could easily be saved if they reverted to dense urban planning. They have very good infrastructure as it is. The only thing that would fuck them over is water.
>>528364None of those places (LA, Houston, Phoenix) will become ghost towns, but they will have to contend with the limits of their expansion grinding against the climate and changes in economic fundamentals. Right now, all of these places are growing for very good reasons. But what happens to Houston if it gets hit with 4 Katrinas and the oil industry starts to lose relevance?
LA itself will probably be fine, but the Inland Empire towns are begging to be returned to the desert the minute LA stops growing or the water situation gets bad. They already have an above average unemployment rate and a proven economic sensitivity to disruptions of industry. What happens if they actually build the Blade Runner towers in urban LA and the rents go down? Who the fuck wants to live in arid methville?
>>528375LA is already building more densely-packed condos and is surprisingly improving its public transit. I agree about the Inland towns. Those places are shit as it is and a water/climate crisis will devastate them.
People are also leaving LA in droves because they're fed up with California politics. Last time I was there I encountered several white people who said they were moving to Texas or Florida because they couldn't stand what California has turned into.
>>528360Building megalopolises in the middle of a DESERT was a mistake.
>>528387True. In socialism Dubai, Las Vegas, etc will be abolished. Did you see that Dubai had a massive flood the other day and billions in exotic cars will have to be written off, pretty funny.
>>528380>People are also leaving LA in droves because they're fed up with California politics. Last time I was there I encountered several white people who said they were moving to Texas or Florida because they couldn't stand what California has turned into.That's just hype. More people want to move into California than away, even most of the alt right retards still live there while they tell their followers to go move to some desolate shithole, the only reason for people leaving is mostly that it's too expensive
>>528380California in general is an incredibly strange case of a land with the economic recipe for explosive growth stubbornly refusing to let itself grow up because of entrenched petty petit-bourgeois greed. It's the Mecca of burger tech and cultural power for the world but the elite is very, very determined to not let anyone in because of the way they've tied their wealth to property values. The bottom rung of the workforce in the bay area and LA spills out onto the literal streets in tents because they won't even let them build favelas. Even with all the capital in the world, you'll start to stagnate and lose it if you can't make room for a workforce. California can get away with this in some ways because it's so focused in growing sectors that can extract the most from the fewest labor inputs (the financialized tech industry) but when the bubble pops it'll pop hard.
>>528390It's also worth noting in conjunction with this that it's very interesting that the tech gig economy that marinated in California is the kind of labor mobilization that allows you to use that army of precarious homeless retards who you forced onto the literal streets in San Francisco as a resource that you can extract value from. Nobody who's in a financially stable living situation is working as a DoorDash rider. It's very common to live on the street or in your car and to still be working. That's the California Dream.
>>528389>That's just hype. More people want to move into California than awayYeah no. I know people in California, Arizona, Texas etc. and they're all telling me that people are getting the fuck out of dodge, the people moving in are primarily immigrants. Outside of personal circles, you can find a lot of people mentioning it in casual social media posts. Couch Cast is in Texas and mentioned a lot of people immigrating to their city from California, and mentioning how everyone wants to leave. Having been there and knowing what LA and California in general were like a decade and 2 decades before, the cities of California are visibly worse than they used to be and are only degrading more and more. The ONLY reason San Francisco was temporarily cleaned up was because Biden met Xi Ping there, and all they did was clean the streets and deport the homeless outside the city limits, shit returned to status quo in a week.
Also, only an entitled ignoramus is going to call other places "shitholes" Arizona is fucking beautiful, hot as hell, but so is LA, and it's not as muggy as LA gets. Not to mention prices for land, housing etc. is lower, there's fewer people to bother you, and if you're not an unskilled idiot, you can grow just about anything there. California's land is more fruitful and easier, but only if you have a shitton of money to live outside the cities, and most don't.
>inb4 muh altrightDon't care about ECelebs, never have, never will. If rightoids are saying this too, fine, that's irrelevant to my experiences since I didn't see or hear them say it, nor care to listen.
>>528390>>528393I have no fucking idea why LA won't build more high-rises to house all those people. They have more than enough space.
>>528410Wanna hear a blackpill? Supply and demand, porky wants those property prices to go even higher. Number must go up
FOREVER (until it crashes again, harder than ever before).
Doesn't matter if the worker supply doesn't regrow, porky can't think longterm :)
>>528410This should be fairly obvious, but for the American petit-bourgeois professional the largest investment one will ever make in one's life is a suburban single family home. If you increase property values, you profit from that investment. If you restrict the supply of new housing in a desirable location, you guarantee that property values in your area will rise. People obsessed with this run all the local governments there.
>slummy parts of India
They're just unhygienic because of state neglect. Most people who live there are sweatshop proles. As long as you don't go to some extremely shady parts, you'll be fine.
>>524303>>524490>chicago>white peoplehuh?
Bulldoze the whole thing.
>>529079This but first build new commie blocs to house all the people.
>>528424i kind of wonder what will happen when line go up becomes enough of a problem that large swathes of the population become excluded even from renting. we already see squatting becoming a bigger thing as the homelessness crisis gets worse and worse. if for example, 30% of a given city could not afford to live in a place, would people just straight up resort to violence, take over buildings, and defend themselves from cops to have shelter? what would the government even do?
>>529201Oppportunitically wage a war and send the excess population
to the meatgrinder defend democracy
>>529222capitalists need more workers though. less workers gives workers more bargaining power. thats why Elon musk and Bezos are so scared about the birth rate and the future of 'civilisation' and are playing at rocket man.
>>529230We speak about about last resort measures though.
>>529392>>529395wow there's black people there, we gotta bulldoze the whole thing and salt the ground it was built on
>>529392>>529395All I'm seeing is poor Black people having fun in the nighttime and making the best out of their shit situation.
>>528360>>528375Gosh darn it's almost as if capitalism disrupts the balance between town and country, forcing workers to live in ever larger agglomerations of urban sprawl that periodically collapse and empty out based on the vagaries of profit rates and capital investment.
>>529392>>529395The only problems you can glean from these drive-through videos is urban decay and all the fucking cars and their conquences. They're superficial.
Mass export their surviving BBC population across America to breed with the highest tiers of white women to create the true master race and usher in a new era of American supremacy
UwU
>>524278>>529392Why are gas stations particularly dangerous?
>>529627Doesn’t explain anything I asked.
>>529473>>529605>>529448>>529398Race isnt the problem. Culture is. The ghettofab philosophy is a serious problem.
Even in black communities where urban decay is extremely tame, the ghettofab inspiration is there.
Alot of the people arent poor. Theyre broke.
They have cars, gas statiins, corner stores, nice toys, medical servixes, etc.
But they dont have autonomous finances.
>>529638Asset rich/cash poor
>>529638> Alot of the people arent poor. Theyre broke.They have cars, gas statiins, corner stores, nice toys, medical servixes, etc.
But they dont have autonomous finances.
Reminds me of a video I saw years ago where a Black woman was explaining why the whole ballling mentality is the reason the Black community can’t get out of its rut. She claimed money made by Black people doesn’t stay in their communities because everyone is so obsessed with buying cars, nice clothes, chains, etc. Meanwhile, rich white people stay rich because they invest their money. Think about how the Irish in America were dirt poor when they immigrated but are now sons of the most powerful people in the country: they were smart and strategic and worked their way through city politics and made sure their communities acquired inter generational wealth. Look at the Kennedy family for instance. Why are there no Black “Kennedy” families? Because they piss their money away on luxury consumer goods rather than using it strategically.
>>529626Easy targets for robbery and a lot of shady characters(heavy drug users) hang out there.
>>528360>The future of sprawling Sun Belt boomtowns like Phoenix, LA, Houston, and so on will look quite a lot like modern Detroit.What about cities like Seattle and Portland, Oregon? What would be their fate?
>>529660They have access to drinkable water and natural resources.
>>529626Because in the hood gas stations are some of the only places where people can hang out. They don’t have restaurants, cafés, bars, nightclubs, bookstores, record shops, or any other place to go. Hell, most hoods don’t even have Walmart.
>>529662At least when it comes to Seattle. I'm a little worried that the lack of mountian snowpack would make the water supply strained during the summer months.
>>529666Satanic trips checks out.
>>529658bro it's not "hurr durr black people can't into saving money" it's because they are institutionally blocked from investing and buying property
>>529674A one point so were the Irish.
>>529674It’s both. Blacks who have the ability to invest choose to spend their money on frivolous shit instead.
>>529674Ironically, Detroit and Chicago used to have plenty of Black homeowners.
>>529658Also by black, I mean black American.
Youe also forgetting gentrification.
Also, white rich folks dont really invest in their own communities as much as they invest in connections for their offspring. And the momey can fall apart easily.
>>529626They're the site of about 90% of hood commerce.
The ghetto only has gas stations, 7-11, McDonald's, KFC, and if you're really lucky Dunkin Donuts or Krispy Kreme.
>>526349critical support for comrade pothole in its fight against the common car
Nuclear testing site.
>>529663This makes me sad NGL. The hood is quite literally an open-air prison.
>>529854Average /pol/tards.
>>529873I want to see Caleb try to start a church already. you know it's going to all end in tears and possibly suicides.
>>529982He already has: “City Builders Ministries”.
>>525357Unironically this.
>>529863Amazing they’ll do this in a gas station but not in a bank.
>>530402Huh? You think people aren't robbing banks everyday?
What's with retards and popping in to say:
>why don't people just [do thing everybody does but I never heard of because I like to give my opinions before doing any research]
>>530402its almost like gas stations have less security than banks
>>530408The punishment for bank robbery is much worse too.
>>529863This sort of activity should happen in every city in every country. Sometimes scare the pigs, sometimes shoot them in the leg, other times execution.
Detroit can't be THAT bad, can it?
>>530404Modern-day Bonnot Gang.
>>530451It goes on all the time. My dad knows this guy who robbed banks in Leafland and sent the money to the liberation front back home.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2005-sep-16-me-briefs16.3-story.htmlAn Eritrean restaurant owner suspected of robbing Canadian banks to fund rebels in his homeland decades ago was deported from Los Angeles this week, immigration officials said Thursday.
Officers escorted Berhe Mahrai, 56, to Eritrea on a commercial airline flight and he was repatriated, according to Tammy Wilson of US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).
Mahrai had been arrested at Los Angeles International Airport in February after a routine background check by border protection agents revealed he was the target of an "ICE lookout," Wilson said in a written release.
Canadian authorities advised their US counterparts Mahrai was a bank robber whose motive appeared to be supporting fellow members of the Eritrean People's Liberation Front, a rebel group active during the 1970s and 1980s.
Eritrea won its prolonged fight for independence from Ethiopia in 1993. The Liberation Front became the People's Front for Democracy and Justice, the ruling party in Eritrea.
Mahrai, who operated two liquor stores and an Ethiopian restaurant in Los Angeles, had immigrated legally to the US in the early 1970s.
Mahrai and another Ethiopian national robbed two banks in Canada in 1974, according to ICE. Mahrai was convicted of the heists and sentenced to prison in Canada, Wilson said.
Mahrai was deported to Ethiopia in 1976, and is believed to have returned to the United States about five years later, according to ICE.
Mahrai applied for US citizenship but it was denied in 2002 because of his criminal history, Wilson said.
ICE subsequently linked Mahrai to his Canadian convictions and also learned he was wanted by local police who suspected he had assaulted someone with a deadly weapon, according to officials.
"The lesson in this is that those who fail to reveal their true past can expect to experience the full weight of the law," said John Salter, Chief Counsel for ICE in Los Angeles.
No one here is advocating reparations for Black communities?
>>530495America should be carpet bombed wholesale,.
>>529674No one taught them to invest their money.
There’s also something deeply psychological about poor people who instantly get a lot of money. They feel the need to brag and spend tons of money in the short-term without thinking about the long-term.
>>529658>>529674>>530754The main reason why Black folks who become rich flex their wealth is largely because they want to show the world that they've finessed the same system that held their communities back for centuries. It's basically one big "fuck you" to white supremacist capitalism (ironically enough).
That's also why Black folks are highly sympathetic to their national bourgeoisie. Every time a white communist criticizes Beyoncé, for instance, Black comrades will attack that person even if they're making a standard Marxist analysis: Beyoncé and Jay-Z represent an instance where Black folks were able to transcend what white America forced on them.
For comparison, how many Palestinians are critical of wealthy Palestinians? Hamas leadership lives very well in Qatar yet if you bring this up you get called a Zionist.
>>529392>>525043>>529395>>529851>>529863>>529864>>529865>>529867Videos such as these make a perfect argument against the “consistent life ethic” or whatever leftist Catholics are pushing now.
>>531089Law of the jungle.
Detroit's primary exports are BBC and rap music videos UwU
>>531175Actually detroit is apparently #7 of the top ten EDM capitals of the united $nakes of amerikkka because of the number of parties and raves, legal and illegal, that happen there, maybe even bigger than rap
1) workers' revolution
2) nationalize all industry
not hard
>>531210B-b-but Gabe the urbanist told me the only way to save Detroit is BIKE LANES!!!
>>5312102 is impossible because of 1
>>531215Bike lanes, gluten free donuts, and neurodivergent sensory spaces, yes.
>>529970Yeah. In the hood a Slurpee from 7-Eleven is considered a treat. You’d be shocked at how many uyghas are living off of gas station food.
Export their BBCs worldwide in that same way the Philippines exports labor.
>>531191I mean, that's pretty symptomatic of the hood not having actual nightclubs where people can go and socialize. Also, American techno started in Detroit IIRC.
>>531613This story is actually sad.
>>531783Yeah the child survived. If it had been a car the child would have died instantly.
Martial law
Import businesses
Make people work
Rebuild neighbourhoods
A lot of shitty neighbourhoods are just the outcome of forced lumpenisation that destroys any long-term consciousness people have, so its about proletarianising the lumpen.
>>531841To establish a monopoly on violence
>>531841Take out the trash like Mugabe did.
>>532324Criminal how such beautiful buildings can be left to rot.
>>531900This.
Detroit needs a Mugabe.
>>532334That building is beautiful because of the rot, not despite it.
>>532826That mansion and the best they can do is a dirt road outside lol
>>532827More like, the original driveway was ripped apart for some reason or another.
>>533041Again perfect reason to ban cars.
>>533229Based, Detroit being the "motor city" made it cursed.
>>533262Top ten photos of Michigan that will make you say "that's not Michigan, that's La Spezia'
The only thing you could do is treat it like entering a literal warzone. If you build a settlement, you have to treat it like a forward operating base; walls, barbed wire, guards and gates.
Unironically, Israeli settlements in the West Bank would probably be a good model for how to do it. Reclaim territory bit by bit, link up with other settlements and maintain a unified front against the locals.
>"b-b-but cost!!"
If you're re-settling Detroit it cannot be with the city's help. If you rely on the existing political infrastructure for even one thing you'll be destroyed. Again, it would have to be like an invasion, with the idea that you are surrounded by an enemy you must defend against, subjugate and destroy; including whatever corrupt, embattled police force remains. That means bringing your own money, supplying your own needs and definitely providing your own security. It doesn't have to be good for Detroit. Detroit is not invited to the planning meetings for what happens to Detroit.
So the primary issue is getting money to do it with, yes.
>"b-b-but Israeli settlers are all armed and most of them are ex-military!!"
I would plan on every fighting-age man being part of a militia in those environments. Even the women would have to walk around strapped.(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST)
>>529626It's a chokepoint. Have a car? You'll need to stop at one. People who show up at gas stations have things to steal. The car itself, money, phones, clothing, accessories, tools. For the subhuman drains on society it's like a buffet where the food comes to you.
>>533337Least bootlicker DPRK supporter
>>533337Waste of a good number
>>533337>The only thing you could do is treat it like entering a literal warzone. If you build a settlement, you have to treat it like a forward operating base; walls, barbed wire, guards and gates.
>Unironically, Israeli settlements in the West Bank would probably be a good model for how to do it. Reclaim territory bit by bit, link up with other settlements and maintain a unified front against the locals.>>533654>For the subhuman drains on society it's like a buffet where the food comes to you.FFS the racism in these posts is off the charts.
>>533769this entire thread is chvd bait
>>533774Mention Detroit (or any impoverished American city) and white supremacists will always come out.
>>533337If you knew anything about Israeli settlers you'd know they're highly ideolocally-motivated.
No one has any ideological reason to build whites-only settlements in the slums of Detroit.
>>533337This plan is so diabolically evil it might just work.
>>533769>>533774This. Can't believe the mods are allowing a blatant /pol/ colony to operate for this long.
>>533337Hope the Detroit locals do an October 7th on your gentrification settlements.
>>524278Mandatory work, 100% housing in commie blocs, re-education for libertarians.
>>533815Not whites-only obviously, but I could see Eminem fans and Dillaheads settling the D.
>>533952Yeah obnoxious wigger kids and hypebeasts are the last thing Detroit needs.
>>533815This isn't accurate. About 80% of the settlers in the West Bank are poor immigrants from Russia, Ukraine, and Ethiopia who move to the settlements because they're cheaper and also more secure (no Israeli leader will risk their legitimacy by evacuating the settlements at this point). The idea most Israeli settlers are religious fanatics isn't true at all. And ironically, the original Israeli settler movement was leftist and peace-oriented in nature; they moved to the West Bank to act as human shields with the hopes of offsetting future wars between Israel and Jordan.
>>534097Detroit is already full of wiggers, disphit.
>>533229You're never going to get a ban on cars, this is America
Even an America with a workers' govt is gonna have people driving cars. Obviously we should massively expand public transit and make it free, connect all major cities with HST and stuff, but if you live in the hinterland you're gonna need cars. Detroit might not but Tiddlywink Nebraska does
>>533256nah dawg it was capitalism that cursed Detroit
>>534117damn they got the Ethiopians going to the settlements now too? Is there a book you could recommend or somethin on this, genuinely curious about internal divisions in the Zionist state
>>534239Nature is healing!
>>534408Housing prices in most of America skyrocketed post-pandemic.
You know where they didn't skyrocket? Detroit.
>>524278You can buy a house at auction in flint for about 8K right now. No back taxes, the Biden administration recently approved $3Billyin to improve infrastructure in the US.
My guess is that this place is going to get setup as a low key investment source, the funding will get pumped into it and everyone will be talking about missing the Michigan boom. But yeah, you can get house right now for less than a Hyundai.
>>534461Those houses require tens of thousands, if not hundreds, of dollars in repairs though.
>>524657>It’s funny because I remember how 13-14 years ago (pre-Occupy) anarchist comrades of mine would talk endlessly about moving to Detroit in order to squat those abandoned city lots into urban gardens to revitalize the city and form something like an Anarchist Catalonia in America.Similar story: when I was a baby comrade around the same time I knew some people who tried to do exactly that except they moved to a different city (I think it was Cincinnati but I could be wrong). They only lasted a few months before leaving. Since foreclosed houses were a dime a dozen they were able to buy a house for dirt cheap in the ghetto. It wasn't a black ghetto though it was almost entirely Hispanic. They thought they could do solidarity work with the residents. Turns out within a short amount of time their house got robbed and their laptops and a bike got stolen. They refused to put up a fence or install a security system because they thought it was anti-social to do so. They didn't even get a guard dog. Hell they got robbed precisely because they left their windows open during the summer and someone was able to sneak in and take their shit without a problem.
I'm not saying this to sound right-wing. I'm only pointing out how hipsters are complete and utter morons for thinking they can fix the hood/ghetto. Those places don't function the way middle-class white areas do. Because of the poverty and structural racism people's mentalities become very dog-eat-dog. Leave your bike outside and someone will steal your bike. Set up a community center or infoshop and it will be robbed within a week. Show any compassion and people will take advantage of you. The only way you survive in the ghetto/hood is by showing others you're the bigger dog and won't take their shit. White hipsters with grad school degrees don't understand that and treat everyone they meet like a wounded animal when they should be treating them like wolves who would pounce on them at any moment.
As an analogy: every time white saviors go to some really poor part of Africa to build schools the locals end up dismantling the schools and start selling the bricks as soon as the white saviors leave. Or that footage of the aid trucks in Gaza we've all seen where everyone starts attacking each other for food only to re-sell the food at the marketplace in hopes of being able to afford a way out of this genocide zone. The sad thing is you see identical things on American soil yet everyone is too politically correct to describe it accurately: poverty and racism cause people to go apeshit and that's a bad, bad, bad, bad thing.
>>535056>I'm only pointing out how hipsters are complete and utter morons for thinking they can fix the hood/ghetto. Those places don't function the way middle-class white areas do. Because of the poverty and structural racism people's mentalities become very dog-eat-dog. >White hipsters with grad school degrees don't understand that and treat everyone they meet like a wounded animal when they should be treating them like wolves who would pounce on them at any moment.I think it's a misnomer to assume being oppressed turns you into a saint. In reality, being oppressed and marginalized hardens you and makes you extremely distrustful of others. It's exactly why Aspies who were relentlessly bullied in school have a tendency to become nihilistic artists (or, at the very worst, Neo-Nazis), because they see the world as nothing but evil that deserves to perish in a big ball of flames.
>Or that footage of the aid trucks in Gaza we've all seen where everyone starts attacking each other for food only to re-sell the food at the marketplace in hopes of being able to afford a way out of this genocide zone. FYI this didn't happen and all those "videos" shared by Zionists were from years ago. Multiple international agencies have confirmed there's a famine in northern Gaza.
>>535056It's like what others were saying ITT. Do-gooders move into these areas thinking the current residents (poor and marginalized) will "appreciate" them for being there because they care oh so much. Theoretically, bike lanes and turning parking lots into dog walking parks with a lot of trees would help the working-class. But when working-class areas get those things they turn against them and even go so far as to protest them or trash them.
>>535056>>535065>white people try to help but those fucking poors and uyghurs always ruin itleast obvious /pol/ interloper
>>535067More like, white people's "help" amounts of paternalism.
>>535067no one is saying that, you fucking imbecile
crime is rampant in materially degraded communities and its a real, objective problem. some hipster high on his own farts thinking hes got everything figured out aint gonna fix shit
>>535071Like I said, people falsely assume being poor and marginalized cleanses your soul in some way, when in actuality all it does is turn you into a monster. People who have lived in shit their entire lives become suspicious of others and assume everyone else is trying to take them down in some way. This is why outsiders can't really solve problems in communities they're not a part of.
nuke it.
nuke the uyghur wasteland.
it's for our own good.
>>535076I bet you're fun at parties.
>>535067You know when Israel took the settlers out of Gaza they left behind a ton of infrastructure like greenhouses?
You know what happened? The Palestinians in Gaza destroyed all of that. Why? Because they knew those greenhouses and the rest of the settler infrastructure wasn't theirs.
>>535085https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2006/2/13/looters-steal-gaza-greenhousesThey destroyed them because Israel wouldn't let them sell the produce.
I agree with your conclusions, but there's more to the story.
>>535056>I'm only pointing out how hipsters are complete and utter morons for thinking they can fix the hood/ghetto.Aren't they often successful though? That's the crux of the entire gentrification issue.
>>535240The “fix” the hood by displacing the poor.
>>535056>Turns out within a short amount of time their house got robbed and their laptops and a bike got stolen. They refused to put up a fence or install a security system because they thought it was anti-social to do so. They didn't even get a guard dog. Hell they got robbed precisely because they left their windows open during the summer and someone was able to sneak in and take their shit without a problem. Fucking pottery
>>535245Obviously when an area stops being a shithole poor people can't afford to live there anymore. You asked how to fix these areas. I guess it doesn't count if it doesn't remain a mini black ethnostate?
>>535240Gentrification usually starts with house flipping. It's only after a bunch of houses get fixed up and sold for 3x the price that landlords start taking the opportunity to raise rents and hot yoga places and gluten free bullshit bakeries start moving in. People who think white saviors are the solution are beyond retarded.
>>535315More people (who can be of different races) moving in without the displacement of a statistically significant portion of the population that already lived there (who can also be of different races) prior to some point in time is completely fine.
How the fuck do you interpret "lack of displacement" with completely unchanging demographics anyway? Dumb ass uygha.
>>535261I mean, I can understand why installing a security system is overkill, but leaving the windows open when you know you have valuables inside? FFS when I visited Barcelona and Toulouse I was told by comrades to be weary of pickpockets at the train and metro stations.
>>535056>>535056>I'm not saying this to sound right-wing. I'm only pointing out how hipsters are complete and utter morons for thinking they can fix the hood/ghetto. Those places don't function the way middle-class white areas do. >. Show any compassion and people will take advantage of you. The only way you survive in the ghetto/hood is by showing others you're the bigger dog and won't take their shit. White hipsters with grad school degrees don't understand that and treat everyone they meet like a wounded animal when they should be treating them like wolves who would pounce on them at any moment.Lmao. Gentrifying hipsters aren't even missionary tier. They are very straight forward trying to help no one but themselves and their cliques. Also lol that you think white rich areas don't get robbed left and right. That's why they have their own secondary security patrols on top of their own neighboorhood pd.
Also I would trust an anarkiddie to rob me before any hood, seeing as they don't believe in laws or property.
>>535765To add: there is a word for their behavior, "slumming it." Rich kids have loved to do a wonder year of living in squalor like the poors for the experience before they retreat to their trust funds. The snarter ones do some hippy commune and bum around asia surfing or some shit.
>>528329So what’s stopping artists from moving to Detroit?
>>535878For similar reasons:
>>535056NYC in the 80s still had an elaborate public transit system and was fairly walkable. You could get a cheap apartment in the Lower East Side on top of a kosher deli. Detroit, meanwhile, sucks for starving artists because the only walkable places are downtown.
Give it to India 😎😎😎
>>536055>>536056Lebanese, Iraqis, and Yemenis have taken Detroit first.
>>536125Nooooooo not Hamburger University
>>535767This was huge during the gentrification boom of the late 2000s/early 2010s (the same era every other poster ITT is talking about). Rich kids would graduate from their $45k/year liberal arts colleges and move to the hood like they were going camping. Which triggered gentrification in many of those areas.
>>535056I think it's even funnier when white leftist saviours move into immigrant ghettos thinking they can organize immigrant populations when they don't even speak the language.
There are anarchists here in Montreal who have moved into Parc-Ex (our city's poorest neighbourhood which is mostly made up of lower-caste Indians, Bangladeshis, Arabs, and Greeks) thinking they can build a "community of resistance" there despite none of them being South Asian or Greek themselves.
Keep all factories, convert car production to trains.
FFS this thread really is a train wreck.
>>538566OP was dumb. Didn't bother reading or participating.
The answer to OPs question is the same it can ever be. If we are to fix Detroit then we first have to have political power. Any discussion about what can be done in Detroit is irrelevant if the question of how to obtain political power remains unresolved. It's worldbuilding, mental masturbation for intellectualoids and progressive fascists including urbanists shills that just want to feel smarter than everyone.
Literally ANYTHING that's not explicitly anti-human would benefit any city in the US. Literally fucking anything. Planting trees, paying teachers, cleaning up trash. It requires 0 fucking thought yet everyone feels the need to mentally masturbate as if they're playing IRL Sim City.
Where's the fucking political organization, Lebowski???
>>524278>people would jack my car the minute I got outBut they wouldn't steal my car because my personality is radiating like I'm everyone's brother. Also, I have no car.
>>524913<there is massive corruption<let's use a voting method that is so complicated that you need computers to vote>>527573Wasn't youth unemployment going down during that era?
>>528338>The ghettofab philosophy is a serious problemBillcosbyshitass take.
>>538723>ghettofab philosophy is not a problem ypure just a Bill CosbyNgmi. This is what I hate. Negro Yankee culture ithin the ghettofab era is over-sympathised.
>>529638Define “ghettofab.”
>>539203Short for ghetto fabricated aka made in the ghetto.
>>539203ghetto-fabulous
- bright neon-colors for clothes or makeup
- baggy shirts and shorts/pants
- sneakers
-rusty vintage cars blasting gangster rap/urban R&B
- ethnocentric urban myths
>>539271>- bright neon-colors for clothes or makeup>- baggy shirts and shorts/pants>- sneakers>-rusty vintage cars blasting gangster rap/urban R&B>- ethnocentric urban mythsWhat's the issue with any of these?
>>539325its the way its going about.
Its more the attitudes of the people than anything.
>>539355Sounds like racist boomer crap
<The City Council of Hamtramck near Detroit, Michigan unanimously passed a BDS resolution on Tuesday, becoming the first US city to adopt BDS.
<The resolution affirmed support for the BDS movement and acknowledged the genocide that Palestinians are being subjected to, calling for the right of return and standing in solidarity with the Palestinian solidarity movement.
<The city officially adopted BDS and "shall make all best efforts to refrain from purchasing goods and services from any vendor that is the target of a boycott or divestment campaign by the BDS movement," as well as investing in the zionist entity, companies of the zionist entity, or companies that "sustain Israeli apartheid." The city urges its residents to support BDS and boycott zionist products.
<This decision comes after Richmond, California voted to divest some zionist investments at the beginning of this month, following Hayward, California in January. However, the Hamtramck resolution targets more companies.
>>539385Its not racist. I dont even like white people adapting that behavior.
I fucking hate hearing white guys talk like ghettofab dudes.
Also the ghettofab culture is a stain upon black Americans.
It needs to die.
>>529626A lot of police brutality and harassment happens at gas stations too.
>>539577What’s wrong with ghettofab?
BBC Central. OwO Detroit is the MECCA of BBC. No, the Paris of BBC. BBCtopia
>>540405>And people are still singing it today! Every time I go somewhere, that’s one of the songs they play.Hmmmmmmm, I wonder why?
>>540522Yes. Create a male sex industry in Detroit to satisfy BBC cravings. Right.
>>540395If you have to ask then you never really dealt with it.
The lack of respect for personal space or personalised items.
The constant yelling and bragging about hood loyalty.
Their irateness.
Their lack of remorse for littering.
>>540765And no there not all poor.
In fact alot of them have homes with lots of luxuries.
Ghettofab is just the Negro equivalent of punk.
>>540766There is literally nothing wrong with punk. Punk and "ghettofab" go against bourgeois morality entirely, hence they are hated and degraded.
>>540896no they dont. Its lumpen bourg. Its not abput destroying bourg its about making their own bourg
>>540405>>540754>not posting the damn song>>538078Bro, I literally live in Rosemont where I'm 99% sure that photo was taken. Let me tell you there's zero secret as to why Montréal is considered such a desirable place to live. Our city was poor for decades since Quebec was universally hated and fears of separatism turned investors away. Montréal didn't become a city made for the ultra-rich but a city made for the average working people (mostly anyway). When my aunt was living in Plateau 45 years ago she said it was all freaks, geeks, and weirdos. Rent was dirt cheap here up until the middle of last decade. Public transit is fantastic. Our hoods are densely packed so we feel more European. But the most important aspect is, every single neighbourhood feels like its own small town. There's a real sense of community here that you don't see in most American cities or even in places like Toronto or Vancouver. That is why everyone wants to move to MTL: they want the community.
So, if you're looking to "fix" Detroit, start by centring development around strengthening the communities that already exist. Don't import a bunch of white morons.
>>540906Yeah, could you mind elaborating on how punk is "bourg"?
>>540906>no they dont. Its lumpen bourg. Its not abput destroying bourg its about making their own bourgEven punk bands that explicitly reject capitalism?
>>540913>>540915Punk is obsessed with alcohol and stimulant powder. They complain about decadence and corporatism yet their music is hailed as the status quo. Every band is pressurised to be edgy and dismal.
The chord progressions, lyrics, and duration are all the same.
Theres nothing profound about punk.
No melody no rhythm.
No sense of duration.
New wave and alternative are the only good things that came from it.
>>540950>The chord progressions, lyrics, and duration are all the same.>Theres nothing profound about punk.>No melody no rhythm.>No sense of duration.Doesn't mean it's bourgeois.
>>540952maybe not but its pretentious and oversold.
Same for gangster rap.
Talking about "keeping it real" and "hood loyalty."
All they do is sample songs with a certain melodic section looped.
And all hey tall about is guns, hoes, cars, and drip.
Of course thats the real problem. The real problem is the attitudes of the people indulging in the music.
They all think of the selves as the next music star
They rely too much on pop culture referemces.
They talk a good game about getting a come up but theyre always broke.
Theyre not violent like they used to be thank God. But theyre boring as hell.
Noy even the good kind of boring either.
>>524278>Real talk: how do we fix Detroit?Only correct answer is Dengism.
>>541346Except none of this would fly in Detroit.
>not enough money for urban ecology>bikes would get stolen and bartered for drugs>pedestrianized streets mean criminals would have an easier time robbing and attacking people>French bakeries in the hood would get looted immediately (at least uyghas would be eating real food like croissants/chocolatines and not gas station junk for once)At least the empty lots could be used as parks.
>>542214>not enough money for urban ecologyJust leave shit alone and it grows on its own.
BBC tourism
>>544614It's what makes the city authentic. What do you want to live in Disneyland?
>>540912>>544614Do either of you know Drake’s Montreal connects?
Subsidize BBC-related sex tourism
>>529638I don't know much about Detroit but I always assumed the crime rate and urban decay was due to the automotive industry leaving the country which was a big part of the region's economy. It leaving left a lot of people without jobs or opportunities. Maybe this is an oversimplification. Still, I don't see how Detroit's problems can be because they spend too much money on cars and shit.
>>544646>Still, I don't see how Detroit's problems can be because they spend too much money on cars and shit.Kek, I love how both racists and hipster gentrifiers boil all the problems with Detroit down to cars.
>>544648Because cars objectively destroy communities.
>>544627Drake has ties to the mafia in Toronto and allegedly has ties to some Hells Angels over here.
>>544614Yeah, my hood isn't the most polished part of the city. I'm guessing you're a tourist from America? What are you doing in Rosemont anyway when Plateau exists?
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