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>>2563387
you're still a wage slave even if you have a gilded cage. if you're gonna go down this line of thinking your goal should be to survive working less than full-time, build networks of mutual aid and start doing communization. becoming part of the PMC is just striver bullshit that isn't even applicable to most people's lives these days since labor aristocracy upwards social mobility is basically a thing of the past.

>>2563378
>Why wouldn't you try to get into the PMC?
calm down big boss

>>2563367
Why wouldn't you try to get into the PMC? We are never seeing true liberation for labor in our lifetimes. Fuck working hard for people who don't give a single fuck about you.

If that means illegally immigrating to some nation, living off the grid, or whatever it takes to avoid being a wageslave, so be it. Only fools accept the lot they've been given in life. If you're born poor, you have an obligation to escape slavery, even at the risk of death.

In absence of a real worker's revolution that allows the working class to benefit from the immense increase in productivity via technology, depriving the world of your labor is the most revolutionary act you can achieve.

Ratmaxx or suffer a fate worse than death.

>>2563364
pmc moment

>>2562223
>To paint the American working class as having any single unified sense of "exceptionalism" or patriotism
>>2562367
>These people don't see nonUSians as human beings man
"How Graham Platner Exposes the American Left" - BadEmp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Zb6fZCqdrQ
Graham Platner is not a nazi, he is a Zionist who has never harmed any Jews. He only profited off killing the millions of people who dare to oppose Israel (the World Trade Center is of course a center of NYC's Jeffrey Epstein international Zionism. Socialists think its normal and harmless for globalists to trade guns, drugs, and of course the most valuable of commodity: human beings. Sex work is work, google Bookchin!)
>sense of whiteness
"nonwhite ICE agents are anti-racist you mongoloid 🤡"

>>2562524
>Chapo Trap House said "Twitter is real life."
<"Graham Platner isn't a nazi because I read his reddit posts about trans people, I don't care about the millions of people who Jeffrey Epstein's settler friends killed"
he labor aristocracy isn't real and PMC gamerchairs are working class!

>a small comprador class
"Gusanos are mostly anti-fascist" If you run away and hide from militant revolution as Cubans do, people will assume you are an imperialist collaborator.
>cultures
no such thing, you use a German word about plant botany science to talk about humanity because you're a nazi podperson lol
https://historiansplaining.com/myth-of-the-month-22-culture/

>>2562240
>fuck your indigenous nationalism that has nothing to do with socialism
<Socialists: "I agree with my fellow Jewish PMC settlers in the Abundance Zionist psyop: we need Elon Musk to save the environment with asteroid mining Star Trek sci-fi. Indigenous degrowth is reactionary and unscientific. Someone would shoot you if you demanded that my international Jewish settler friends be forced to learn the names of their Palestinian slaves in their farms and factories!"
Really funny how this class of soy PMC graphic designers who says 'the symbol of communism is outdated, PMC are working class' will immediately reveal themselves to be Zionists who literally fantasize about shooting their child slaves in the head for daring to walk to their Brooklyn border walls and beg for solidarity.

Socialism is nationalist ideology, Bernie said "Trump is right to do ICE raids to deport people who dare to speak Mayan language on settler occupied land". Marx called indigenous folks "nonhistoric people" for very similar reasons as Israel does: they claim their technocratic bourgeois landgrabs "make efficient use of natural resources" that those "unscientific indigenous were failing to utilize". There's a reason why ᴉuᴉlossnW was a syndicalist and Hitler branded himself socialist: the accelerationist ideology of claiming to be building the means of production ASAP like China does. "Zohran will make the trains run on time so wage slaves can get to work faster" Consistent socialist futurist utopianism whether its in Israel or NYC

>>2551603
lol when I think of Todd McGowan my first thought is "oh, its one of those disgusting PMC radlibs who went on Pod Damn America with that anarchist dumb guy Jake Flores. Worst podcast I've ever subscribed to!"

>finally came to the realization of what dialectics actually meant
Aristotle:
<left his segregated imperialist apartment to engage in dialectics (i.e talking) with his slaves.
Brooklyn settlers:
<The class of "anti-woke" Marxist PMC pseudo-intellectuals have never, ever left, they aren't leftists. They will never talk to their slaves on their podcasts and youtube shows. Just incessant settler condescension and scolding about art and culture and philosophy from degenerate Contrapoints fans

>i got really high
guy who is indistinguishable from the white dreadlock hippies that got owned in Oct 7th while they were dancing to EDM outside the largest concentration camp in human history: "read my art zine about how analytic philosophy has destroyed the world"

>hellspawn
<negative impact on reputation
liberal ideology Democrats always whine about "messaging" in their realpolitik public relations as the biggest problem facing the working class. "Stalin is a demonic satanist! His art zines are so uncouth!" lmao 😂

>>2557174
>repeating the same mistakes
euphoric anti-Stalinist nazi settlers:
>"I'm a post-historical subject, my nu-bourgeois revolution is epic and based, I am beyond history, I'm modern and not like those ignorant people in the past"
euphoric anti-Stalinist DSA settlers:
>(same soy redditor PMC ideology from the Elon Musk sci-fi fanclub who uses AI to manage their slaves exactly as IBM did during the holocaust, but now its a Jewish settler surveillance state of transgender drone programmers who insist they are anti-fascist)

>banks basically cause capitalism
tapping the sign: (read Marx's Capital v.3 and stop soyfacing at petite bourgeois small business tyrants as somehow less parasitic than the finance superstructure that floats above them)

>auth-leftists
"Google Bookchin" (I google and immediately find out that this PMC pseud who is the greatest hero of spiritually-Israeli settler socialists admitted he has "no quarrel" with his fellow Jewish PMC neoliberal ally Murray Rothbard, who inspired the alt-right by giving university lectures about the virtues of selling children in the free market, while working as a teacher in Jeffrey Epstein's finance imperialist home New York City)
>BOOKCHIN: Murray and I have a bit of a history together, and I think there've been some grave misunderstandings, perhaps on both our parts. I would rather see them resolved than develop into heated controversy—despite, I think, a not very generous letter that appeared over his signature and Mr. Williamson Evers's signature in Liberty, the Massachusetts Libertarian Party publication. That letter grossly misrepresented my position on Marxism as being a "necessary ideology." That's archaic, to say the least. I regard Marxism as the most sinister and the most subtle form of totalitarianism. There are people, of course, who profess to be libertarian Marxists. I believe they mean very well, and I even write in their periodicals; but I write very militantly that I regard Marxism as a very subtle form of what I would call the totalitarian ideology—all the more subtle because it professes to advance the notions of freedom.

"we need to SMASH THE STALINIST STATE for individual freedom!" - committed anti-fascist Zionist agent Graham Platner

>Paul Thomas Anderson is less revolutionary than Paul WS Anderson who has made countless Resident Evil movies about the evil of mega-corporations like Amazon that are destroying the world. His hot wife Milla Jovovich doing karate kicks to fight mutant dogs is true world-historic proletarian culture
(Infrared Haz) "facts"

>>2539943
>Pynchon's book Vineland is way harsher in his critique of the New Left
>>2544451
>The thesis of this thread [is that western left are decadent for some unexplained reason]
Marxism 101: our material conditions determine consciousness.
The post-WWII imperialist privilege of these "labor aristocrat" baby boomer workers turned them into complacent liberals who were the vanguard of the neoliberal counter-revolution cheering individualism rather than collective struggle:
https://gnosticpulp.substack.com/p/we-are-pynchons-fail-sons-and-thot
<While there were real revolutionary actions occurring in the sixties, such as the anti-Vietnam War effort and the black liberation movement, a fictional contingent of which (Black Afro-American Division (or BAAD)) visits the hippie counter culture who is occupying a campus where they have formed a sort of temporary autonomous zone known as The People’s Republic of Rock and Roll. PR3, in its search for allies, reaches out to BAAD who sends a small party to the seaside campus. BAAD’s arrival cuts a stark difference between themselves and the hippie students. Their discipline and commitment to the movement is immediately evident, for they arrive wearing matching uniforms of “Shiny black Vietnam boots, black-on-black camo fatigues, and velvet-black berets with off-black wide-point stars on them” (230).
<BAAD enters into a long debate with the students, who they brush off as “children of the surfing class” (230), that is to say, unserious. The New Deal, one suspects, was quite purposefully not for everyone. It successfully played on race divisions, a favorite move by the good ol’ US of A, by elevatiPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2553536
the christian nationalists spook me. I don't have a handle on them because in my country christianity died in the arse when it became clear multiple churches were systematically diddling kids. there's definitely a transplanted strain of american evangelicalism diddling kids in the sticks and diddling our right wing party (into unelectability).

around here there's nothing like the megachurch grift empire or the unholy alliance of PMC blackwater and the 7 kingdoms movement.

>>2553125
>The goal is not to have any economic immigrants because 3rd world has jobs and prosperity like rest of the world.
there will always be PMCs who want to migrate to make $$$ on wall street

>>2553431
They are too fat
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4580337/

>>2553358
I believe this faith in the PMC is misguided rightist deviation that deserves closer scrutinization. They say the lawyer enforces guidelines upon the corporations, but the lawyer enforces nothing upon any capitalist. The State does. This veiled support of the bourgeoisie's machinery is antithetic to Communism.

>>2552573
<americans already live in post-scarcity. over 75% of them are overweight. Such is why they are not rioting right now
Your claim is not based on evidence. High-calorie, low-nutrient food is cheap and readily available, while healthy food and opportunities for physical activity are often more expensive or inaccessible, leading to this paradox that you falsely ascribe to "treatlerite" contentment.
>Post-scarcity is a theoretical economic situation in which most goods can be produced in great abundance with minimal human labor, so that they become available to all very cheaply or even freely.
>47.4 million people lived in food-insecure households. https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/food-nutrition-assistance/food-security-in-the-us/key-statistics-graphics
>Most Americans don't earn enough to afford basic costs of living … For the bottom 60% of U.S. households, a "minimal quality of life" is out of reach https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cost-of-living-income-quality-of-life/
>"In contrast to international trends, people in America who live in the most poverty-dense counties are those most prone to obesity (Fig. 1A). Counties with poverty rates of greater than 35% have obesity rates 145% greater than wealthy counties." https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3198075/
>The rise in obesity rates, both nationally and internationally, is a result of changes in the environment that have simultaneously lowered the cost of food production, lowered the time and monetary cost of food consumption, increased the real cost of being physically active at work and at home, and decreased the health consequences that result from obesity by bringing a host of new drugs and devices to the market to better manage the adverse health effects that obesity promotes. Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

Hey I accidentally said the PMC are the vanguard of the proletariat but they are more like the intelligentsia and can likely form a new ruling class. That’s why they task of the revolution should be to eliminate class. In multiple clear outlines, legally, religiously, culturally and materially. Many before us have laid the ground work and like mushrooms revolution will spring.

>>2551662
>a bunch of trust fund kiddies, overqualified university graduates, and pmc radlibs
i say this completely unironically: this radicalized part of the labor aristocracy is going to fucking crush the petty booj MAGAtards in a political mashup, it's not even a contest

>>2550992
Yeah the PMC is the proletariatian vanguard.

>>2550467
Lol perhaps that was true 50 years ago but nowadays the socialist kibbutz Jews are all PMC Zionists.

>>2550345
>doesn't know about the factories, farms, etc… in new york
what's the difference between the woke Marxist Jewish settlers in Israel and their counterparts in Brooklyn?

The Jews on Doomscroll podcast scoff at the thought of ever visiting a farm or factory! These PMC art and culture hipsters would never deign themselves to ever do any "democratic socialist Kibbutz" praxis like Israeli Marxists

>culture
yall posting in a zero historical materialism radlib thread lmao

>Socialism is about going FORWARDS in time, not backwards
Marxists scoff at degrowth because they are aligned with their fellow Zionist settlers in the "Abundance" movement who have nothing but contempt for their indigenous Palestinian slaves. Neoliberals like Ezra Klein also write euphoric leftoid books about a fully automated luxury space sci-fi utopia of "Elon Musk will save the environment with asteroid mining so I never have to get a real job" which appeals to idealist armchair gooners.
>many of these practices are based on religion and superstition,
New Atheism is entirely aligned with Jeffrey Epstein who funded AI techno-futurism. If only there was an ancient book that warned us about the smug arrogant PMC pedo priest class who worshiped false idols!

>>2542399
>its not something that can be intellectually theorized, thats not that same thing, it can only happen through practical action. thinking about stuff doesn't change things, but doing things must change thinking
Abundance is the ideology of settler parasites who dismiss learning actual science to actually do praxis to enrich their comrades like the working class is so emotionally desperate to do. These sci-fi losers aren't reading the endless torrent of Chinese sustainable nanotechnology science being released everyday. The Actually Existing Degrowth biodegradable plastic paradigm is ignored by these anti-degrowth neoliberals like Matt Yglesias who built their career off the psyop to make Americans do the Iraq War to extract their oil for the GROWTH of microplastics and cancerous technocratic tumors of AI that Marxist pseuds use to pretend to be hardworking scholars who are doing the work #DoingTheWork

>>2540369
>western left is ecofascism…having sustainable food supplies is “authoritarianism”
"BlackRock is anti-fascist, why do you hate the global poor?" - globalist redditors at /r/Neoliberal
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>>2544859
>The median voter has completely incoherent politics. 8/16 btw

I think that's more a reflection of the incoherent politics of the political and pmc classes. Their politics are nonsense for ideological and structural reasons, and that prevents them from engagjng with the "median voter" (whatever that is) in any meaningful or constructive way.

Like, I've been polled by these people before and they a priori reject any idea or sentiment that falls outside of "do you prefer a, b or c." So take the example of the Democrats right now that are trying to grapple with their second loss to Trump. Everything outside of their bourgeois ideological bubble points to "you lost because you didn't offer people any material benefit and even cut back what was already there," and the response from these ivy league scholars is "we lost because we aren't killing trans people." Anything looks insane if you're viewing it through an insane lens.

In the context of the USA, to move away from the "99% vs 1%" left populism and the "nationalists vs. globalists" right populism, you need to not only break down false consciousness and instill class consciousness, but you must emphasize proletarian supremacy at each opportunity, and explain why the proletariat specifically, and not the petty bourgeoisie, nor the PMC, nor the labor aristocracy, nor the lumpenproletariat, nor the incarcerated, nor the marginalized, must lead the movement for its own liberation, the class struggle, and not simply "the 99%" which will inevitably be an interclass affair led by the petty bourgeoisie. This is a serious hurdle in the US where people still to this very day look at you like you have 6 heads if you invoke anything other than "lower/middle/upper class" framework or "99% vs. 1%" or "nationalists vs globalists" or other such hogwash. These are still fancy european pretentious terms to the burger. You must make them commonplace.

Russia is traitor bastard nation and has betrayed the SVO, PMC Wagner should start its own nation with its own rules and laws unbound to international bullshit to finish the SVO. Russian Federation and its rulers are NAFO NATO CIA MI6 Mossad controlled opposition to stagnate the SVO and keep the frontline stagnant and keep the Banderite junta occupying Novorossiya. Russian government is ran by UKORPS, Putin is UKRAINIAN FREIKORPS, Mikhail Mishustin is UKRAINIAN SPY, Andrey Belousov IS ISRAELI UKRAINIAN AMERICAN GEORGE SOROS AGENT, GERASIMOV - UKRAINIAN RAT TRAITOR, AND MANY MORE. I FUCK YOU TRAITOR NIGAS, I FUCK YOUR MOTHER. FUCK YOU RUSSIA, RUSSIA IS UKRAINIAN OCCUPIED GOVERNMENT STAGNATING THE SVO.

>>2543085
Jan 6th was a mix of petty booj car dealership owners, fishing rod/supplie store owners, random lumpenproles, and feds. the PMC is a glorified labor aristocracy that is rapidly facing mass destitution

it's not mathematical per se but in times of crisis the petty booj leans towards fascism while the labor aristocracy leans towards socialism

>>2543081
>the next vanguard will arise out of the PMC
Hahaha no. The next vanguard will be opportunists and probably liberals(Dengists) coming to have any relevance only after US has nearly fully collapsed due to external factors like the cold war expenses and the backlash of dedollarization. And by then, I don't think anyone outside of the USA is gonna want to empower it's workers. The world economy has been liberalized, so they are just gonna want their piece of the spoils when your economy starts failing.

That's not how the "vanguard" will sell it though, but if you have bought all the bullshit prior you will buy the Yeltsinite spiel just the same.

>>2543081
>the next vanguard will arise out of the PMC that is currently a meatgrinder for middle class Westerners
100% agree

>>2542945
this was always the problem with "professional-managerial class" discourse, it was obvious after 2008 the white collar shit wasn't going to last and instead all of the efforts of the left was to demonize PMCs and say that based rightoids are more based for saying based things and saying based things means you have more revolutionary potential

the next vanguard will arise out of the PMC that is currently a meatgrinder for middle class Westerners, there will be some who emerge from the detritus of corporate fiefdoms to destroy it

>>2541216
>in the mouth of madness
That movie is about how "the guy who the story of our world controls us", basically about all these slovenly AI death cultists who try to control human thought, and Trump's cabinet of nosferatu's like Stephen Miller telling weird stories about "people only think I'm a demon because of Soros told them about my sickly pallor"

>>2541373
>concentration camp for homeless people
the Zionist media refuses to use that term and calls it a "campus" in typical soy PMC Obama neoliberal fashion. LEARNING TO CODE WILL SET YOU FREE 💀

>>2540545
I understand where your sentiment is coming from due to the horrific barbarity of the Zionist Genocide of Gaza, but if we step back and take a long view of History from a Dialectical Materialist perspective, you realize that the reason the Zionist Genocide of Gaza feels so unique is primarily because it has been so much more fully documented by Primary Sources then past Genocides that were of equal or often much greater Scale and Barbarity, due to the existence of the Internet, Social Media, and 24/7 Cable News, as prominent examples of past Genocides carried out by various Settler-Colonial and Fascist States since the rise of European Colonialism include the Holocaust, the 1943 Bengal Famine, the Congo Genocide, the Irish Potato Famine, the Transatlantic Slave Trade, and the Native American Genocide, just to name a few, and if you apply your logic to its obvious conclusion, you would support the collective punishment of most European Nations/Ethnic groups (not just Western Europeans like the English, French, Dutch, Germans, Italians, Spanish, Portuguese, etc, but the Russians as well, due to the Russian Settler-Colonization/Genocide of Siberia and parts of Central Asia) and all European Diaspora populations such as Anglo-Americans, Anglo-Canadians, Québécois, Anglo-Australians, White Hispanics, etc. due to the past Genocidal Settler-Colonialism carried out by members of those Ethnic groups/Nations, as it is extremely hypocritical, and dare I say “Anti-Semitic”, to apply this strict standard to Jews and not to all of these White European populations, and it is definitely worth noting that as much as many don’t want to admit it, even before 1492, Genocide was unfortunately the norm throughout History, both of the Violent (Slaughtering entire Ethnic Groups/Nations) and Cultural (Assimilating and Mixing entire Ethnic groups/Nations out of existence) variety, as seen in the Video of the Changing Ethnic Map of Europe over the past 2000 years I posted, which shows dozens of Nations/Ethnic groups in Europe, divided into several large Ethno-Linguistic groups, most notably the Germanic peoples, Slavic Peoples, Romance Peoples, etc. all of which have been Migrating/Invading, Mixing, Assimilating, and Genociding each other over the past 2000 years, with many Historical Invasions/Conquests/Migrations which archeologists previously thought were cases of elitPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2539660
>It became more of a thing in the early 2000s when Obama used grassroots orgs to get elected.
Ok so it's normal to do unpaid work for ultraliberal rich politicians, got it. Bizarre, to do charity for the rich and powerful.

I was quite surprised when Zohran's campaign expenses, at least some part of it I bet, like everywhere else there is a big wall of bureucracy obscuring much of the money flows. But I digress, the man apparently hit the cap of money he could spend on campaign, and had to ask people to stop donating at around $14m. (https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/05/nyregion/mamdani-donations-mayor-money.html)

And I'm looking at this stuff and man. Zohran has 14 million to spend. He can pay millions upon millions to PMC consultants and media companies
https://www.nyccfb.info/ftmsearch/Candidates/Expenditures?ec=2025&rt=can&cand=2899&stmt=&trans=F

But can't spare a single say, $600k~ payment to give every one of the 60k volunteers a thousand bucks for their efforts.

Ah but I know, He can't do that because of the tight regulations and bureaucracy with making all those people employees and whatnot. They understand, they are just doing it for the love of the game, I'm sure. And that only makes it weirder.

>>2539429
>which barely concerns an average EU prole
You are right, it does. And consumer protection barely concerns average prole, and freedom of movement barely concerns average prole, and regional investments barely concern average prole, but when you add them up you will find out EU actually concerns great deal of people.
I cant properly respond to your points because there is nothing of substance to respond to, all you do is scream "bourgeoisee", "PMC", "liberal", as if that was a replacement for analysis or an argument. I could bring up working people from poorer EU countries benefiting from free movement, and you are just going to call them all PMC bourgeois threatlerites, I am sorry, I cant construct an counterargument to your personal affect.

>>2539367
>You just have some emotionally motivated dislike of EU
My dislike for the EU is political in nature because the EU is not a person but a political entitiy and that dislike is from a working class perspective. I gave you a number of clear examples why the EU is shit in particular for working class people but for some reason you got triggered by mentioning Erasmus which barely concerns an average EU prole but is loved by middle class youth and smug liberals in particular because they like to be smug about their education and how much they know about the world. Erasmus is for kids with higher education which means upper middle class because 75% of PMC offspring receives higher education. These kids don't need stipendia, because their parents are top earners. Meanwhile only 25% of kids with working class background make it into higher education. So i reckon you're a deluded middle class burger liberal who knows nothing about the EU's actual nature or you're a dishonest liberal EU shill. Either way, i'm glad i made you upset.

>>2539146
>Everybody has private market economy. None of its current members were anything other than private market economies before joining, and none of them currently show any desire to be anything but.
Except every single post-communist country which were given explicit demands by European advisors that they should fully open their markets to the West and sell off all of their state-owned industry if they ever want to join the EU. Their economies were purposefully hollowed under a carefully executed plan that was explicitly neoliberal.

>Freedom of movement is a big one
What's so good about brain drain in poorer Eastern European countries and increased competition among workers in richer Western European countries? Or about the middle strata of Southern European countries being turned into open-air museums with sky-high unemployment and ordinary people getting priced out of major cities? Does anyone like these aspects of open borders?

>Consumer protection laws is another
The reason why they are there in agriculture is because farmers are constantly in revolt. It wouldn't be otherwise without the EU, especially when it has already done a lot to make agriculture more export-driven and severely reduce the food sovereignty of European countries. In the car industry they are mostly about how to annoy the people sitting in the car the most effectively. They are a protectionist measure which is fine by me against non-EU countries but it also makes cars stupidly expensive. I have to admit the tech industry regulations are cool, but it's also not a flex because the only reason the EU is doing objectively good things like making USB-C mandatory is because it has no tech companies to speak of and in practice that means that US companies control the minds of Europeans and any EU country can be literally turned off at a push of a button. But I don't think there is a single person that is glad about those stupid plastic bottle caps, other than the (most likely German) companies which were given the chance to developed otherwise unnecessary machinery specifically for crushing plastic bottles.

>Plenty of EU innitiatives in education
What do you mean exactly? The mandatory propaganda classes in high school abPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2538938
Workers absolutely support right-wing parties

That doesn't mean petit-bourgeois can't right-wing too, but that depends on what we mean by petit-bourgeois. Actual small property owners that produce real goods, farmers in particular, are usually right-wing nationalists. This is what Marx meant in his time by petit-bourgeois and it is still correct in the economic sense, but context matters. The way capitalism developed in the late 19th and early 20th century, the uppers strata of the working class, professionals and the trade union bureacracy became just as subservient to capital as the petit-bourgeois. After neoliberalism, material production of things became less and less useful to capital and the source of profits shifted to monopoly rents. This made the industrial and agricultural petit-bourgeois an opponent of finance capital. Meanwhile the lower strata of the working class became lumpenized and its upper strata in large part shifted from managing industry to managing rentier capitalism. So in the political sense the real reactionary middle class is the professional-managerial class, and not the commodity-producing small property owners. It only makes it clearer that certain types PMCs refuse to be legally classified as workers because with their high income it's more beneficial for them to give up the legal protections that people classified as "employed" enjoy just so they can avoid paying mandatory social security contributions. These are the people who vote for mainstream liberal/green/"soc"dem/conservative parties. They are the ones with a stake in the system. Not the farmers getting raped by Monsanto.

The problem with nafoids both ITT and beyond, is their flat-out refusal to ever play devil's advocate with Russia, ditto their refusal to analyse Russia outside of projection to it being a "fellow" imperial state.
So there's no real cause to Russia's invasion, beyond whatever the motivations were for the imperial states to lie about WMDs in Iraq to justify invasion. Therefore, Russia must suffer from the same constraints as the West in Iraq.
>Beheading the state has to come quickly, because the use of hard power is considered "gauche" and the longer the "invasion"-part continues, the more likely Russian liberals are going to rise the masses against it without moving on to merely occupation peacekeeping and doing all the nice soft-power, liberalising stuff where further fighting is only against evil holdouts who hate liberalism
>The conflict is solely about profit, so it must not cost anything to fight, Russian weapons manufacturers are no doubt pleased but while the US is run by the MIC and thus wars never stop being profitable, Russia is "le benzin station with nooks" and now this conflict is costing the Russian oligarchy with Ukraine's attacks on energy who will rise up against the Kremlin just as we expect Raytheon to hire a PMC to invade Washington DC if the high-tech, low-stakes interventionism ever ends
>Russia is using an all volunteer army AND sign-up bonuses have increased during the conflict, that means no one in the Russian military wants to risk death fighting Ukraine any more than US Troops who signed up to fight in the War on Terror because the salary would buy them a Dodge Challenger did, therefore as soon as the conflict starts getting a bit dangerous, all the troops are going to start mass committing suicide, suffering from PTSD, writing books decrying how pointless the war was and they were lied to some of which will be turned into movies where you WILL watch the Murhines cry, etc
So by all projection, this conflict shouldn't have lasted longer than a month, because we wouldn't expect the US military to exhibit any tenacity given the same circumstances, where the circumstances are framed as "Iraq, but Saddam is actually capable of fighting back and even getting some shots in at the US itself".

They ultimately are as angry as they are because open fighting has lasted for longerPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2535344
i reckon america is focous-group ran like the rest of our OECD countries but the focous-groups instead of being full of PMC's it's just copies of this woman.

>>2534690
What's odd here is that Labour are doing their best to alienate high autism score, PMC, middle class, high status, etc etc voters instead of embracing them. They're destroying their own value as a status symbol by pandering to low status ideas and, worst of all, they're not even successful at winning those people because they're a gang of awkward dorks. It's like Waitrose becoming a discount supermarket, losing all their middle class customers, and still being avoided by price conscious shoppers because it's fucking Waitrose.

>>2534654
the elite theory explanation is that the working class have low social status so cannot be supported by labour. thats it. this is not to say that these surrogate groups like ethnic minorities necessarily have high social status (still, they do out-margin poor whites), its only to say that to support them as a white person denotes high social status, while fighting the ignorant peasants beats away the ogres. its a politics of fashion. but why is this? because virtue signalling is a form of social intelligence which affects high I.Q. individuals, with labour constituents and members generally having higher education over other groups. this difference between the workers and bourgeois intelligentsia is also commented upon by lenin as a necessary contradiction:
<We have said that there could not have been Social-Democratic consciousness among the workers. It would have to be brought to them from without. The history of all countries shows that the working class, exclusively by its own effort, is able to develop only trade union consciousness, i.e., the conviction that it is necessary to combine in unions, fight the employers, and strive to compel the government to pass necessary labour legislation, etc.[2] The theory of socialism, however, grew out of the philosophic, historical, and economic theories elaborated by educated representatives of the propertied classes, by intellectuals. By their social status the founders of modern scientific socialism, Marx and Engels, themselves belonged to the bourgeois intelligentsia.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1901/witbd/ii.htm
so then, there is a conflict of interest between the proletariat and the communist party, even as marx understood it in the manifesto, with communists themselves only being a clique of internationalists. pver time, labour has become filled with more of the educated (PMC) , over traditional sects like trade unionists, and this has affected the political attitude.

>>2532869
>Steaks for everyone, for every meal under communism
>>2532971
>Finally. A spark of consciousness in this swamp of sentimentalism
Abundance is, of course, Zionist ideology from the class of euphoric PMC Elon Musk technocrats. Neoliberals explicitly condemn degrowth using the exact same language as their fellow PMC Marxist counterparts in the ACP who also talk like smug anime villains as they scold they slaves. Why?

Because they are all the class of settler cannibals who define their entire personality around the murder of indigenous humans ("nonhistoric people" as Marx and Engels said regarding their historical materialism program that neatly aligns with what German industrialists said during the holocaust). Socialists whole thing is "we need fully automated luxury space communism, in my utopia, I will be the Contrapoints art critic in the Star Trek spaceship along with Elon Musk". Marxists seethe at the thought of being forced to learn the names of their Palestinian slaves and to work alongside them to do the same jobs they do. Nothing could make the Ben Burgis class of PMC settler socialist Jews more angry than their slaves ignoring their incessant scolding from them and their fellow Big Industry psyop friend Charlie Kirk

>hopeless
Hope is having goals, it is doing praxis. It's your problem for not moving forward on any program. Take a few steps forward to achieve some small goal, and if you can't, find someone to support you.
>>2533421
>Maybe leave the fourth reich and find a place that still operates dialectically
<Aristotle: walked away from his segregated apartheid neighborhood to speak dialectically with his slaves
<Ben Burgis: PMC podcaster who politely debates his settler neo-nazi friends like Charlie Kirk, while having nothing but contempt and scorn for his slaves, making a career of New Atheist style scolding like a good PMC Jeffrey Epstein club member
>>2533458
>The reaction also really doesn't have anything to do with "trans people" in particular
the bourgeois ruling class being obsessed with controlling the genitals of their slaves is very particular and obvious

>>2532727
The greens aren't going to win the election (yet) because the country is full of pensioners and resentful low-status idiots, but the demographics get more favourable year by year (more 2019 Tory voters died than switched in 2024!).
Labour aren't going to win the election because despite being the natural PMC party their plan is to alienate everyone who knows the difference between a paedo and a pediatrician.
Media manipulation primarily works on undesirable demographics (remember, if only people with degrees could vote we'd be well into the third Corbyn term despite media aimed at PMC, like the Guardian, doing more than most to undermine him) so the press coming out against the greens won't affect them - the "seriousness" of a policy platform is an illusion: Johnson 2019 and Starmer 2024 both had deeply unserious platforms cosplaying as serious.

The idea that UK feminists are more serious than those elsewhere is risible. Every trans person in the country could be a rapist and the negative attention they receive would still be excessive relative to their numbers. Relative social status is a much better explanation:
The UK has more cranks who resent that transhumanists (on twitter) are high status (on twitter) and they aren't, despite being an Observer columnist and a dutiful class traitor with an affected accent and therefore clearly more deserving. It's so unfair when dangerhairs mock you and spoonerise your stupid double barreled name in the replies to your column where you distastefully joke about Thai transsexuals. (Don't they understand that you're a high status columnist, well above a mere pleb, or a man in a dress [tee-hee!], and certainly above some third world hooker?)
But fortunately there's a waiting audience for their columnist whining on Mumsnet: a Blairite type bitter that society doesn't give a damn about middle aged or older women (a legitimate resentment, but wrongly sublimated into resentment of the young and cool rather than real activism to change this)

Meanwhile in normal countries PMC and liberals understand that it's much cooler to endorse trans rights because it signals their own progressiveness and tolerance and it alienates low-openness conservative losers. It's a brilliant filtering mechanism and a signal of desirable traits to boot.
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>>2531358
Yes and no, mostly yes. The status of many current elites is illegitimate (I mean look at the pathetic spectacle of the PLP elves trying to appeal to the ogres) and they deserve their downfall, but on the whole their replacements should be high cultural capital lefty-liberal sorts who're appropriately performatively anti-elitist in a way that chafes a little bit (because it hypocritically deflects from their - deserved - higher status) but not enough that you'd refuse to vote for them.

Labour will die because it doesn't have the guts to become a PMC (and temporarily shelf stacking would-be PMC) party, secure (but modest) in its own superiority.

>>2531414
Low status low openness shithole subject to negative selection effects (all the best Britons were smart enough to leave to better lands, we're the descendants of those too foolish, cowardly, or - hopefully not many on leftypol - aristocratically inbred to leave)
But we can entertain ourselves coming up with ways to save it and reasons for why it's damned.

>>2530830
If I am glib: I have embraced the PMC. In a PMC electorate
>Yeah the left doesn't want border patrols, wants the military disbanded, doesn't want police, wants to ban the real estate market etc
Will win you the election. It's only because there are dumbarses and geriatrics who think (citation needed) that the police would actually be abolished (or that the solution to their shithole being a shithole is more cops rather than leaving by any means possible) that it's not yet a walkover.

In the PMC world, you lose the election campaigning for police abolitionism because it's so 2021 rather than because it's too radical. In the PMC world you fund public services so they've got something to do paperwork for - meanwhile in dumbworld you defund public services to wipe the smirk off the PMC's faces because even though it hurts everyone, their status falls relative to Dumbo's. Then the savings go to some cunt like Farage (who's low status by virtue of being a wanker, making him an ally of those who're low status because they're not hip enough to keep up with PMC lingo)
It's idiotic on the face of it.

(I don't see things in these terms, but sometimes it's fun to present your argument like a total cunt. Even if it is uncool. Call them PMC if you want, I'd rather be managed by the tedious professional managerial class than by the seething resentful lumpen/petit bourg class.)

>>2530730
>"he addressed his fascism in our interview"
PMC bluecheck -> soulless neoliberal NPC opinion discarded

>>2530927
>psyop, every mind fuck and every wrecker
Fascists need to externalize internal contradictions with schizo attempts to cope because they reject Marxist historical materialism and class war

>>2531107
>America can absolutely divest from imperialism while still being self-sufficient and giving its own citizens a decent quality of life
<citizens
Citizenship was, of course, invented by the pedophile slave owning liberals in ancient Greece and the Roman "imperium". Modern America is founded on fossil fuel extraction and refining to achieve this Jeffrey Epstein utopia. There's reason why Zionists have destroyed so many middle eastern countries and put pedophiles in charge. Resisting finance imperialism is an attack on the American middle class of Trump voting boat owner who are hungry settler cannibals that demand more cars and plastic product consumerism. There's a reason why the "Abundance" movement, the left wing of Zionism is explicitly against degrowth, the ideology of indigenous people who are actual human beings with souls

>>2530942
Truth be told, I’m not too concerned about ICE having more weapons and equipment, because we already have the military and a militarized police force to deal with, and that’s factored in. And we also have to account for the fact that they’re dumber than even the police, and will probably accidentally blow their own brains or some sheriff’s brains out at some point. Or just blow themselves up or something. And we also have to account for the fact that they’ve already started pissing off the military, federal agents, and the police as well.

So it’s not terrible, but still something we should be more concerned about than some fuck off (previously?) pmc nazi succdem.
>>2530957
>people were just brainwashed by liberalism hard
And it is a truly frightening thing to see. Already past being cult like for a disturbing amount of people.
>>2530958
Can you name some of these tasks for the thread then so we may understand in full what is lacking with our efforts?
>>2530965
I’m fine with this. I don’t ever want to see a privatized space. Ever.
>>2530971
>Well the goal should be picking someone
We need to get over this strange fixation on relying on representatives for everything political. It’s just weird at this point.
>actually willing to fight when elections will inevitably be either called for Trump or cancelled altogether and popular enough so that people are willing to fight for them.
I am happy to already announce that won’t be a succdem who rose to prominence from a liberal election.

>>2529695
Honestly you should always go on the offensive when it comes to Zionists because there is no real logical argument to defend them.
Zionist/Nazi comparisons should be made relentlessly but not "Zionazi" show why Zionist arguments are just Nazi shit, "Do you support a German right to ethnic self determination" should be the response to anybody saying that Zionism is just "Jewish right to ethnic self determination", if someone claims they are Zionist, ask if they support Negation of the Diaspora and if "Diaspora" Jews are detestable degenerate creatures since it is the core theoretical concept of Zionism.
Say the IDF are a Terrorist organization, list IDF crimes, bring up they hold more hostages than hamas, rape and murder hostages etc. Bring up the Jewish community support Terrorism by funding the IDF and Zionist terrorist orgs in the West Bank etc.
The biggest issue the Left has is always fucking always being on the defensive and bending over for the pathologically bad faith Jewish community QQ'ing who 95% support everything Israel does.
>>2529674
More just stickers on poles and people wearing Palestine badges on bags, jackets etc.
>>2529626
Israel has been literally the least popular country among Brits since the 1990s.
This is again why people bending over for Jewish QQing is retaded, the average Brit hates Israel.

Anyway on other news, the Greens are being massively boosted by the press, again the left are falling for the obvious trap of supporting obvious fucking cranks, so when election season comes, the entire media will turn on them and be like "Yeah the left doesn't want border patrols, wants the military disbanded, doesn't want police, wants to ban the real estate market etc".
>>2528325
Both are retarded in their own way.
The most intelligent people I've known though, especially among the left are non-University edcuated. Highly Intelligent working class people who don't get brainwashed into the PMC Uni middle class tend to have the best of both worlds. Actually street smart and in touch with Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>IT'S JUST INK BRO!
Hahaha that's so funny and burger coded

The argument relies on the Burgerreich taboo on criticizing the military. Since he cannot be inherently a murderer, not even when literally signing with a PMC, as long as he does it for the USA. So really, for the average burger, the only bad thing is the PR on the ink alone. Because it cannot be a part of a bigger package of attitudes which is forbidden to acknowledge in polite politics.

This shit about the "optics" doesn't work on anyone who isn't a burger NPC.

Most people aren't raised to worship the troops because in most places there is no need to constantly justify all the war and destruction that the US/NATO does. You know why, burgers? Because most places do not actually get to do that!
It's only your shithole country and the periphery of NATO toadies, where you have to constantly hear about the greatness of mordering all around the globe.

>>2530098
It's so funny that the discourse is about the symbol in a vacuum. Because of course what could it be about?
You can't just criticize the institution as a whole, that's still politically incorrect. So the only answer is that:

>Yes, there may be "bad apples" and this explains any unsavory things that may permeate the propaganda.
>But also, being involved in the heinous actions of US empire, working for the heinous PMCs (which got the bad rep as a lightning-rod for the army in general)
>AND having a Nazi tattoo,as many other soldiers do apparently
>AND and Platner himself saying it wasn't a big deal for the army vetters who had no problem in hiring him to guard the ambassador for the State Department
>…Is just no indication of anything, just nothing to see here.
OR alternatively
>"Look the other way or at least, IDK, pinch your nose for the party because Nazi or not you OWE us loyalty."
>Or, we will throw you to the Republicans


>>2530124
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>>2529489
Yeah dude the guy with a literal fucking Totenkopf tattoo who served in the fucking BLACKWATER PMC'S is just hekkin wholesomely advocating for dramatically expanding the Navy at a time when the warmongers are callling for war.

You're so beyond retarded that's almost fed bait.

>>2529506
>pmc operator
>loves imperialism
>loves war
>got a nazi tattoo in Croatia
>just randomly calls himself a commie and does a 180 to the "left"
Totally not a glowie.

The guy who "felt called to duty" to enlist for the invasion of Iraq then again for Afghanistan.

The guy who, not satisfied with having destroyed both places for the US/NATO, enlisted again but now with Blackwater as a local enforcer in Afghanistan.
The dude was literally posting about "being a communist" on reddit WHILE WORKING FOR THE BLACKWATER PMC IN AFGHANISTAN.

He's now doing the;

"Smol bean imperialist pigs just want free college/healthcare"

https://xcancel.com/grahamformaine/status/1980400612790661222#m
>The support from the VA literally saved my life.
>You shouldn't have to go to Iraq, fight in a pointless war, and watch your friends die to get decent healthcare.

It's hard to imagine the mental space that USAnos are in, to be this much of a cuck and retain that shit-eating-grinned sense of worth that drives them from calamity to calamity. You really are a blight on the world.

>>2528706
Dems don’t pander to Christians. They pander to “logical” and “rational” educated elites (PMC). The people who think they’re too smart for religious faith.

>>2528198
>because nobody knows how to get food for themselves without an Amazon delivery
socialists spent the last 15 years scolding the actual working class (undocumented people in farms and factories, the symbol of communism is NOT outdated, sorry Zionist app developers) while being worthless PMC "art & culture" critic who have polite debates with Charlie Kirk as that Jewish PMC Marxist Ben Burgis did

Liberals are always condescending, like they feel a constant urge to put the "bad people" (in this case, MAGAts) in their place. Makes sense that so many Democrat Party voters happen to be PMC.

In Communist China, the millitary and citizenry are one. The people point their tanks at the enemies. In imperialist countries, the tanks are pointed at the people. In Communist China, every citizen is potential soldier with common duty to uphold Communism. In imperialism, all soldiers are unconnected to the people and are all PMC and bourgeois

In Communist China, the millitary is inextricably political and exist with explicit mission to serve the People. In imperialist country, the fascist unelected millitary is supposed to be apolitical but it always crushes the people. In Communist China, the Communist millitary hold seats in People Congress and budget is transparent. This is highest expression of Communist principle of "The Party commanding the gun"

>>2524468
I'd disagree but not for the reasons other posters did. Socialism, after the the early XX century, which is when the world had the closest thing to an organic working class socialist movement, doesn't really have a class conscious proletarian base to rely upon. In our context specifically, the working class has turned towards nihilism and reactionary attitudes, even in times of low wages and destitution, because with the globalization of every form of capital, there are no longer levers of power afforded to a national working class and most if not all opposition to the system is contained through extensive surveillance and sheepdogging. There's also a number of divisions in class society that socialists never really adapted to. We now have the PMC, a new corporate lumpenproletariat, a semi-proletanized petty bourgeoisie, service workers, all atomized and divided up into cultural swarms, all entrapped by capitalist politics of the culture war, in which compliance to one side or the other could very well have real effects on their hiring prospects, legal status, and reputation across the entire county and maybe even a good chunk of the world. This means that everyone is forced into a reactive position that is inherently detrimental to thought itself, much less an interest in developing a positive outlook or political movement. Things are more grim than they have ever been.

>>2523449
I suspect this is actually quite alarming for NATO, it’s not just brushed off as immaterial because they control the Dollar and the Euro as many nafoists claim. That it’s happening is probably a real commitment to the idea that wars for NATO are destined to become wholly impersonal affairs that play out like
>Oh dear soft power has failed to install our man into <African nation>
>Better call “Blitz” by Raytheon
<It’s like the Uber for PMCs
>Order comes in
<60,000 Shahed Benjamin Franklin class an-hero drones, delivered directly to the seat of government, to be received within 24 hours or your money back
>Order two state destructions and get the peacekeeping robots free for the first two months
Etc etc

>>2522060
whoever the honkoid PMC's tell you to

It's all part of a wider issue. Of people fantasizing about a "less degenerate" capitalism and pretending it's communism.
The 'anti' crowd are okay with banning it and pretending it doesn't exist. As if that changes anything. For example, the girl I mentioned who became a (child) prostitute at age 16? It happened in a place where prostitution is illegal. It makes no fucking difference. Men still used and abused her. And she sadly wasn't the only one. Local cops btw were also in on drug dealing.
These people want a "socialism" of PMCs and students from clean pretty neighborhoods raised by parents who work "respectable" jobs, who smell nice, who have a full set of teeth, and don't dress in ill-fitting or tattered clothes and mismatched outfits.
Under """Communism""" we'll still poison ourselves producing slop destined for the landfills, ruin our backs and knees, and clean up shit and piss in public toilets and nursing homes. But that's okay, because we'll remain invisible.
It's all okay as long as the world pretends there's still something sacred and untouchable. And God's still out there. Everything is up for sale, everything is free to be degraded, privatized, commercialized, commodified and institutionalized. But not sex. Oh no, not the sex! That's special - unlike everything else.

You people would recoil when confronted with the lives of the actual working poor and lumpen. You don't want "socialism", you simply want to ethically consoom your "socialist commodities" in peace, and not be reminded of all the filth and sickness in the world.

Surely, if prostitution is rape, then all those engaging prostitution themselves, not strictly out of need, would be just as bad as pimps and johns then.

The average prostitute is a slave to their work, no contest., as is the average wage slave. But not all are average. Just like many wage workers fit into a PMC definition, some prostitutes (you may think of them in lighter terms, more glamorous, but selling your sex is prostitution no matter the perks) may too fit some class traitor denomination right?

>>2517140
Maybe more like your country's subjects back in your colonies built your country. So not migrants.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9735018/
>An estimated 3 million people died due to the Bengal famine of 1943. The purpose of this article is to theorize the Bengal famine through the lens of colonial biopolitics. The colonial strategies and utilitarian principles by the British authorities exacerbated the Bengal famine. Utilizing Foucault’s concept of biopolitics, I point out how the British viewed Indian bodies discursively. To reaffirm their sense of superiority, they reduced their Indian subjects to animal-like beings’ incapable of controlling their own reproduction. In order to fulfil British goals, Indian people were forced to participate in the war effort. This paper situates the local and global politics of the famine as they were wrapped up in the geopolitics of World War II, during which the British colonial authorities were far more concerned about a Japanese invasion of South Asia than they were with the lives of people dying of hunger. The article highlights how the implementation of racist policies worsened the famine since it was a product of wartime priorities and calculations. I argue that the Bengal famine of 1943 is a historic tragedy of the colonial past, which was transformed into a socially constructed catastrophe by the British colonizers.Geographers have never studied the Bengal famine of 1943, and one of the principal purposes of this paper is to fill this void.

>>2499480
They wont release autopsy soon because it would only inspire more martyrship because he was BTFO so clearly that autopsy would just tell people to aim for cervical spine. Look at way this PMC bourgeois doctor prefaces his assessment because the bourgeois recognize the danger

>>2497270
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3335561/#:~:text=Heritable%20epigenetic%20alterations%20act%20within%20an%20intermediate,can%20affect%20the%20following%20generations%20%5B%2018%5D.

Seems like vernalization causes some HERITABLE epigenetic changes. Kind of expected, given that mother's body does affect offspring, regardless of genetics

yet another labor aristocrat armchair debate for soy PMC radlibs who have never gotten any dirt under their fingernails like their slaves

>>2493012
>nikola tesla actually did some actual science on the side of his alchemy
People continually express the hauntology of Telsa's alternative history that never existed, but no one ever imagines an alternative Lysenko future. No one ever asks "wot if a red potato was yellow"

>>2495200
>the assertion that bourgeois science is neutral and free of ideology
USSR secret police kidnapping? (scoffs) the CIA gives funding to avant garde artists, that's a much worse atrocity actually

goalpost shifting:
>>2496440
>all he ever really said was that organisms inherent acquired characteristics
the most revolutionary scientist is suddenly just a smol bean uwu
>>2496558
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>>2367946
"Lenin is condemned by modern Trotskyist PMC history 😏"…"🫨 wait no, you have to ignore the satanic New World Order of pedophile globalists who force children to spend hundreds of dollars to buy those history textbooks from the Zionist agent Robert Maxwell. We need to talk about pre-1992 history actually, REEEEEEEEEE!!!!"

>China turns shitholes into functioning cities
Dengists are just the soy PMC wing of fascism
>>2488125
>you MUST be 100% pro-China or else you're CIA
African children have access to clean drinking water: but at what cost?

>>2455833
>Service is defined in Marxist-Leninist textbook i linked you.
I know. I read it. I'm questioning your interpretation. I want to start a conversation.

The world can do without the PMC, that much is certain. But what about janitors? They're not technically creating something new, but the work they do is obviously important; buildings need to stay clean after all.

>My english is excellent
Get real.

>>2455786
You're combining a bunch of people together and treating them as one.

>The industrial and agricultural workers produces all value. Services create no value.
My question is, what exactly does Marx mean by services here? This is an actual question by the way. I've always thought that he was talking about what we now call the PMC; people whose job is telling other people what to do. Because I find it hard to believe that he would insist that, for example, the work done by a janitor, is not economically productive because they aren't technically introducing a new product. I might be wrong though, I'm open to discussion.

>but this is plain misreading and vulgar bourgeois economic in grossest form.
Why is your English so bad?

>>2445177
There's a difference between a German financier or industrialist backing Hitler because they believe it to be financially lucrative and see unions and communists as a threat, and an incel member of the Freikorps or the SA who simply wants to beat Jews to death and violently rape a woman.
I recommend 'Male Fantasies' by Klaus Theweleit for a more in depth look and how it aligns with what I wrote.

>This psychopathology stuff obfuscates
No, it explains why the motivations of bougie NrX reactionaries are different from a white suburban chuds ranting about black people on xitter.
You cannot win these people over with reformism. They do not care about socialism no matter whether they're PMCs, proles or, lumpen. They're sexually frustrated, insecure, and want to watch other people suffer, or at least ensure they won't act as their bosses or remind them of the sex they're not having. Their concerns are libidinal and sexually pathological, not economic.

The NEETs who only care about their tendies, anime and video games aren't going to be voting for anyone anyway. Except maybe whoever they think will continue to allow them to live like that.

>>2416872
Thanks for the reply. I didn't mean to imply that I think religion is impossible to reconcile with communism. I've been thinking about the role of religion in society a lot lately, ever since my brother started getting really into his Christian faith, while at the same time retaining his left SocDem politics. As in he is still opposed to communism in high principle, but if I lay out my idea of a program to transition to communism (radically democratize the state, nationalize the monopolies while allowing small businesses to operate with incentives towards becoming co-operatives, etc.) he agrees with it. In fact I think his study of Jesus's teachings as described in the New Testament has even pushed him to the left. It's also pushed him to the right on "sexual politics" however - he's anti-abortion now, and while he's not anti-gay, I get the impression that he interprets the holy texts to mean that non-reproductive sex is sin but congenitally infertile people get a pass.

What I'm trying to say here is that I think religion, or at least Christianity, is compatible with socialism in practice. I'm an atheist, but when it comes to left-wing Christians I think I'd feel downright uncomfortable trying to persuade them to give up on religion.

Your point about people taking up communism as some kind of penance for their sins of benefiting from imperialism / racism / being a PMC Starbucks barista instead of shoveling coal etc. etc. is well said. I had an amusing discussion with one of those kinds of people - he was ashamed of owning a Macbook before his communist "conversion" but recoiled at the thought of paying $300 a year in party dues. I was paying more than that not only in dollars but also as a percentage of my income. I guess you can compare my example to Christians who obsess over their sins of watching porn etc. but refuse to get their wallets out to help the poor.

>>2398307
>>the left
>look inside it’s far right neoliberals
every American settler socialist movement over the last 15 years: "Google Bookchin, we must SMASH THE AUTHORITARIAN STATE for its racist regulations of consumer freedom for individuals"
People after googling Bookchin: "so wait, anarchists have 'no quarrel' with neoliberals who support selling children in the free market?"

lol PMC socialist literally dream of having woke versions of Jeffrey Epstein pagan temple islands, where sex workers are "liberated" from Stalinist oppression to cross borders to be servants of the class of redditors. Really makes you think about what Ukraine's "revolution of dignity" in 2014 was really about!

>>2190167
That's not an unfounded belief since middle class PMCs/intelligentsia have played prominent roles in other colour revolutions. In Eastern Europe these types tend to be Western facing and culturally/politically liberal, connected to international finance capital as middle managers, etc. However things do seem different here given the specificity of the demands which boil down to a transparent investigation of the train station collapse, amnesty for protestors/prosecution of police abuse, and an increase in education funding. I think students are in general relatively susceptible to being deployed as part of a colour revolution, but that doesn't mean it's always the case and there isn't much to indicate that it's happening here.