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>>2674487
>every American is Jeffrey Epstein
the DSA "Working Families Party" (Mamdami's party btw) voted for the bloodsucking Federalist Society vampire Elizabeth Warren who lied about being indigenous to get into Harvard (which gave a private office for Epstein to study eugenics breeding science), because these bourgeois socialists are spiritually, and materially no different than any Israeli settler. Its the same class doing the same radlib wokeness. In fact Liz Warren was a corporate lawyer who fought against women workers receiving compensation for getting poisonous breast implants
>In July, the Post published a follow-up piece focusing on Warren’s work for Dow Corning, a subsidiary of Dow Chemical that faced thousands of lawsuits over ruptured silicone-gel breast implants. Warren’s campaign says she worked to “ensure adequate compensation” for those who claimed injury from the breast implants after Dow Corning declared bankruptcy and helped set up a $2.35 billion compensation fund. However, according to the Post, Warren’s expertise was also used to limit the liability of Dow Corning’s larger parent company. According to Warren’s campaign, she earned $19,942 from the case.
<Settlers: "The most significant fact about the real consciousness of the Euro-Amerikan masses is how anti- communal and private it is. Settlers recognize no common bond with the rest of humanity. That is why everything they build is perverted: why settler trade-unions are anti-proletarian, and settler "Women's Liberation" is happy to exploit the women of other nations. It means nothing to Euro-Amerikans that the winter fruit they eat was really paid for by the lives of Mexican or Chilean or Filipino children. For them the flavor is so sweet. Euro-Amerikans don't even really care too much about each other. Lower taxes are more important than food for their own elderly. This is a diseased culture, with a mass political consciousness that is centered around parasitism."
woke HR Managers of the world, unite!

https://washingtonsocialist.mdcdsa.org/ws-articles/the-working-families-party-elizabeth-warren-and-bernie-Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2673087
Despite what you think, that is what is to be expected. Parenti appeals most to the base of fascism because parenti dick rided social fascism, snaldering and defaming Communism. Parenti appeals to midwit PMC labor aristocrat because Parenti was imperialist who said china is poor imperialist neoliberal capitalist nation colonizing "tibet." Parenti defies Marxism-Leninism and upholds revisionism and imperialism by attacking Communism.

>>2673606
Ah yes, obsession with decorum and respectability , the favorite past-time of the tone-policing liberaloid pmc. Why don't you fuck off from our board and go back to writing Amazon review's on Michelle Obama's biography?

"the anime fascist website is aligned with Zionist fascists" yeah no shit lol

>the entire formation of the far-right was an astroturfing psyop
the PMC reddit hacker class of Linux using degenerates are all just petite Epsteins, get real dude

Pop stars are part of the PMC and hold to the same politics as other PMC.

>>2672382
in the circles I run in they more accurately refuse to know or learn. Like a significant amount of liberals today don't actually oppose much of what Trump does, if a democrat does it they are fine with that when given the proper narrative and symbolic gestures that allows them to rationalize. It's difficult to get them to accept what it may actually take to build an alternative to things when they really do want the old status quo still. educated phds and PMC types will shut off and refuse to understand imperialism and how it can't be separated from capitalism, because if they oppose imperialism totally they'd have to accept that there's no going back to the obama years and maybe even a hair cut for their life style necessary to save and protect the vulnerable populations they claim to care about. but if they don't oppose imperialism then one way or another our society ends up right where it is now or worse no matter what they do. some of them are weak in a way, to look at the problem as something that we aren't going to fix in the next election by electing a "good" person who is just a corporate democrat takes fortitude that some people lack.

>>2672275
It has been scientifically proven that financial hardship lowers your autism score.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5167656/

>>2658670
>Despite her being written as the cartoonish le evil communist girl she only speaks the truth.
They tried to make her evil but she kept being right and mogging the middle class PMCs who worked at a london uni i couldn't give a shit about.
dogshit show honestly.

>>2665011
their victory in NYC is “proof” more progressive Democratic candidates can win
the Blackwater Zio-nazi Graham Platner is also a recipient of this DSA social fascist euphoria:
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/zohran-mamdani-and-graham-platner-share-a-strategist-who-wants-to-overhaul-the-democrats-with-beer-and-zyn-and-true-belief

>>2665032
>co-opting the democratic party
wot if we reversed Nixon's Southern strategy, make the Republican party the party of the working class waging war against the Jeffrey Epstein class of pedo slave owners like during the Civil War lol
>Remember when everyone thought the Tea Party was going to be a flash in the pan?
dogbrain liberal doesn't know it was astrotured by billionaires lol

>>2665316
>incomprehensible
the British version of "libertarian socialism" is the new overlord presiding over the genocide in Palestine:
https://socialistworker.co.uk/news/war-criminal-tony-blair-returns-as-trumps-colonial-official-in-gaza/
when socialists like Bernie Sanders soyface at ICE for checking peoples globalist ID cards, he is doing what Tony Blair dreams of: enforcing a New World Order where everyone alive is surveilled by these ID card obsessed PMC (is he the anti-Christ? have you taken the Mark of the Beast, anons? NEVER WRITE YOUR TRUE NAME ON VOTING DOCUMENTS)

>>2665831
The PMC tends to be big on self-sacrifice and martyrdom. Academic elites love the idea of the noble death. Meanwhile, working-class people do whatever they can to survive.

>>2665805
incentives are just reflections of material interests. it is in the material interests of the proletariat to overthrow the bourgeoisie. To say that the proletariat is incentivized to overthrow the bourgeoisie is to basically say the same thing.
>this neoliberal PMC reddit slop
buzzword salad deployed to appear Channier Than Thou.

>>2665533
>brains are still alive and responsive to incentives
>>2665619
>my brain to be incentivized
<"incentives"
this neoliberal PMC reddit slop is why Jeffery Epstein funded the Edge Foundation
>In 2002, the leading scientists Steven Pinker, Richard Dawkins, and Daniel Dennett were pictured on Epstein’s jet flying to a TED conference https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/peteraldhous/jeffrey-epstein-john-brockman-edge-foundation
Pinker and Dennett, two cognitive scientists that probably sound as useless and bourgeois as this thread btw

and this article mentioning the Epstein class's support of neoliberal "incentives" ideology:
https://america2.news/part-three-what-was-epsteins-edge-agenda
>In July 2008, Edge convened a three day class on the topic of behavioral economics led by professor Richard Thaler of Harvard. Thaler (with co-author Cass Sunstein of the University of Chicago) had just published the book Nudge: Improving Decisions about Health, Wealth, and Happiness, which explored the idea that simple design changes could have big impact on the world. The book was an expansion on an earlier 2003 paper by Thaler and Sunstein titled ‘Libertarian Paternalism Is Not an Oxymoron.’
>The course was led by Thaler and two other giants in the emerging field of behavioral economics, Nobel Laureate Daniel Kahneman and his former student Sendhil Mullainathan. But most remarkable about this course was who was in attendance as students. The all-star list included Elon Musk (Tesla), Jeff Bezos (Amazon), Nathan Myhrvold (Microsoft), Sean Parker (Facebook), Evan Williams (Twitter), along with several other tech and science luminaries. Many participants (Myhrvold, George Dyson, Danny Hillis) were also affiliates of Epstein.

>>2664541
I am scheduled to work 12 hours next week at McDonalds. Making less than $150 dollars. I will almost certainly be homeless in the near future. Not motel homeless, but street homeless.

53% of people living in homeless shelters in America have jobs. 40% of people who live on the street have jobs.

https://endhomelessness.org/blog/employed-and-experiencing-homelessness-what-the-numbers-show/

I feel no shame in ebegging, and I feel no shame at the solidarity people show for me. Your attacks are no different than the letters the FBI was writing to MLK. A dog left in a ditch will learn to bite, don't be shocked that the people at the lowest ends of the class society are the radicals. We can't all be PMC class podcasters.


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>>2661415
>niches are fake
euphoric nazi NPCs 100 years ago: "you fools, we are beyond the problems of history, we are so modern that contradictions cannot affect us!"
euphoric Zionist NPCs today: "you fools, we are beyond the problems of history, we are so modern that contradictions cannot affect us!"
how's it going, PMC Contrapoints fans?
>>2661509
>You are tearing down their walls
overly enthusiastic AI psychosis agent trained by countless young adult fictions: "you are the SPARK BEARER"

>>2662056
>Chris Cutrone
radlib who writes cringe articles for some degenerate post-left rag like "Unherd" or "Compact" -> PMC bugman opinion immediately trashed

Don't shovel shit into your mouth and look around at everyone while making JD Vance noises like "Mmm, me so hungee!", please stop, I'm begging you to have some dignity

>>2659969
Life is not a blank canvas where I can choose to focus primarily on big bad ayatollah and leave american imperialism in the background. Whether you like it or not, oppsoing American imperialism is the primary form of the real movement. Opposing America gives rise to new phenomena and situations which can be seen as a great unfolding of socialism. You have a PMC checklist mentality. You are not a Marxist.

>>2657850
Social media is a black hole and shouldn't be considered the end all be all of online work. You also gotta touch grass. It's not that difficult to get small community pantry going. It wasn't that hard to organize a pro-palestine fundraiser via a punk show. We raised nearly 600 dollars for the Red Crescent Society that way. That's a start. The people who go to those spaces, they have jobs, they work, they are already much more open to the sorts of discussions that need to happen.

Where do you think the types of people who would be willing to engage in the material organizing that's needed to create the conditions that support the guerilla might be? I doubt they are in the ivory towers of academia, or in the PMC class's cubicles. They are probably poor, service worker types, probably the types of people who live in the hood, or the barrio, or on the res, or in the trailer park. Leftists will need to engage with the actual lived poverty of the masses here in the imperial core.

These people have very limited resources though, so they are usually forgotten about or only theorized about in the abstract. I'm not saying that you can build an army of the homeless, but you need to be going to the people who are already familiar with the violence of the system that you are against.

I've always found it interesting how many leftists are absolutely chickenshit scared of engaging in any level of material praxis for fear of government repression, when there are people right now working in the illicit economy taking risks of much higher degrees for something as simple as "rent money" or "diapers"

>>2656106
>>2656285
Most of the people who got snitched on during McCarthyism were Jews, specifically Jewish PMC. Interesting how many Jewish PMC were CPUSA members.

>>2655836
lmao they are not
besides, PMC is not real. all "PMC" are proletarians

>>2655598
Nurses are PMC so it doesnt count(ordinance 4)

>>2652321
Yes it literally is what the fuck please read the post.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12278620/

>The ]Kung population has unusually long birth spacing, as high as 44 months in traditional bands, resulting in an overall low natural fertility of 4.7 live births per woman. Extensive experimental and clinical literature shows that prolactin is promptly secreted in response to nipple stimulation in human females, increasing 2 to 20 fold in plasma during 5 to 15 minutes of mechanical stimulation, with a half-life in plasma of 10 to 30 minutes. Prolactin suppresses gonadal function, either directly at the ovary or indirectly through gonadotropin antagonism at the anterior pituitary. When the child is between 2 and 3 years old, the level of prolactin, which presumably had been tonically high previously, is allowed to fall low enough for a long enough time so that its antigonadal or antigonadotrophic effects are impaired, and ovarian cycling is reinstated.

The reason why it works so well though, is specifically because they are hunter gatherers, and therefore it is culturally acceptable for them to breastfeed their children essentially 4 times an hour, a few minutes each time, 24 hours a day with no breaks, so their prolactin stays elevated.

This is a legitimate anthropological fact not an opinion.

My point in all of this is that it should be understood that this state of being must be "simulated" with modern science so that women do not have to suffer with menstruation like they do.
However, of course, under communism, women have enough power to achieve this and they already show signs of this:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8507108/
>The World Health Organization recommends breastfeeding for at least two years (24 months or more) after birth. In Vietnam, 22% of women continue breastfeeding for at least two years. The aim of this study was to determine the sociodemographic and psychosocial characteristics of mother-baby dyads associated with breastfeeding for 24 months or more in a rural setting in Vietnam.

>>2647942
You ever think that the reactoids here aren't really all that human?

Like we talk shit about PMC libs in here, and yeah, they're annoying as shit, but they at least have… *some* conception of basic critical thinking skills. They're dead-eyed sharks, but they at least understand the concept of being lied to.

The fucking chuds, MAGAs and groypers? I don't even know if they still have the capacity to distinguish true and false. It's like once upon a time they had some capacity to do that, but once The Almighty Algorithm (TM) got a hold of them, it's like they're jerking off to being plugged into the matrix. The very idea that you can form an opinion without consulting TV or social media seems foreign to them. It's like they're human in biology only and are otherwise barely-sentient meat puppets of content recommentation algorithms.

>>2647748
Why do LLMs always type like sassy opinionated western women? The PMC career types. I know its because this syntax is basically just End of History personified but with the amount of dumbasses online you'd think that at least some of them would type like drunk Indian uncles sexting people in facebook

>>2644807
> don't think it's a total grift, I think it's useful as a tool, but it's vastly overstated because it's the last frontier to monopolize. But the west is shooting itself in the foot by putting literally all its eggs into this basket,
and so many of the startups are objectively grifts who make big promises, or just slop with no real function. like i said my job replaced people with it, but it was only the least educated people. basically people without college degrees or job experienec. i saw a lot of smugness on here that "PMCs are gonna lose their jobs hahahaha!" but really only the most vulnerable entry level people got hurt… AS USUAL… further entrenching the specialists, who btw will probably not get replaced by juniors due to their would-be-proteges studying AI instead of traditional programming… A lot of legacy systems in banking run on COBOL still for example and the handful of aging specialists who know that make the big bucks.

>>2643996
I think the problem is rather than having a proper unified industrial proletariat, because of outsourcing and deindustrialization, we instead have a lot of service sector workers with precarious high-turnover jobs that are difficult to unionize, lumpenproletariat, criminals, homeless people, prostitutes, drug addicts, and a bunch of prison slaves. So there is immiseration but there is very few immiserated proletariat. We also have of course a lot of "middle class" PMCs, labor aristocrats, petty bourgeois, cops, and troops. It's an insane and chaotic situation. And then each state has its own set of unique laws and quasi-sovereignty. Then there's the nuke question, and the fact that the most reactionary people in our society are by far more armed than the oppressed elements, and in fact, more armed than most militaries…

such a sad little mentally ill website this has become. i still think it's glowies btw. no way do actual persecuted and enslaved third world wage workers have this much free to bait post. maybe it's third world natbooj blowing off steam at their PMC jobs AT BEST.

>>2642771
there was an experiment where scientists were investigating if adding Iron to the ocean would help phytoplankton communities be more productive and thus store more Carbon. Instead it triggered an algal bloom of the toxic diatom genus Pseudonitzschia sp.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2851856/

>>2642786
You deluluoids were salivating at BLM with the same idea. "Omg the revolution is near!"

We kept telling you deluluoids just a few years ago that you will not get a revolution by disorganized masses piggybacked by Demonrat PMCs and Soros control-ops disguised as charities and "network training" and you kept banning us for speaking the most obvious truth.

Then CHAZ happened and you deluluoids were again on the "REVOLUTION IS IMMINENT" train and you kept banning completely rational people who told you that hippy anarcho-gang PMC lumpen festivals will get you nowhere.

Now you deluluoids do the same with le ICE protests "OMG the revolution is nigh" and completely rational people telling you that you are like a dopamin spectacle addict who can't into organization, tactics, and strategy.

It's like Americans are unable to learn from ANYTHING, to draw conclusions, to self-reflect, to formulate proposals, or read fucking theory.

And don't get me started on the OWS->Bernie->Chapo->DSA/CPUSA->AOC->Mamdani pipeline.

The biggest problem with America isn't the fascists. It's the lack of actual communists.

>>2642620
Turning PMCs into alyums is praxis

>>2635238
He couldn't do the same thing as with China because unlike China, the US is interested in Venezuela for raw resource extraction and not manufacturing. So I have no idea what he would actually do, but he would go with a pragmatic approach, which could be either:
1. Trying to pay off the US, agreeing to give some free oil to the US in exchange for peace without handing over actual control of the reserves to US companies and PMCs.
2. Call the bluff on full-scale war, move the government and military leadership to live deep underground at all times with all tunnel entrances heavily guarded. Attack the blockade by arming every tanker with soldiers operating fiber-optic FPVs or rigging them to blow to prevent seizures, denying the US the ability to loot free oil and ships and forcing them to blow up tankers from a distance, which will cost a lot of munitions due to the sheer size of tankers. This would also force them to deal with an even more expensive cleanup or else suffer an extreme PR hit for causing several environmental disasters, ultimately culminating in negative aura points and negative effect on the budget which is the opposite of what the Trump admin wants. Disperse and hide military units equipped with MANPADs and drones in the jungles and urban areas to move about randomly. Overall, create a situation where the viable attack option is a protracted war and force the Trump admin to either pussy out or bite the bullet and go all-in.

>>2638407
It is a shithole. Gonna become and US-controlled shithole now.
>>2638521
>Given what a dud this oil imperialism was
It wasn't a dud. It's just that american oil companies aren't prepared to make blatant imperialism useful. They don't have the manpower nor the infrastructure. This is gonna change. Expect an Exxon paramilitary of US citizens, not those foreign PMC that they employ.

>A quarter of boys agree with all forms of violent extremism.
Yeah nah, I doubt a quarter of them are nazbolcels. Even teenagers.

>>2636128
ffs lrn2paragraph

>then you have the "centre left"/socdem institutions like the ALP
Where did you get your information on the ALP, fucking Lenin? Even "centre left" is an increasingly inaccurate description, as they shift right and the LNP collapse.

>The Greens or all the smaller trot and other groups carrying out political agitation in a way that isn't effective at reaching anyone outside of a small subsection of society who are usually either PMC types living in the inner suburbs of the capital cities or students(iirc SAlt explicitly mention that they don't really care too much about agitating workers and that students are their priority)
Coarse and simplified, but generally correct.
I don't use social media but unless there's some huge social media campaigns I'm missing, there's little more than street posters, a few Soli union campaigns and the Palestine movement exposing these groups to a wider audience.
>there's some smaller people who do some good shit
Name and fame them.

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>>2635438
>>2635469
Unfortunately I think it's quite real, Australia is a fertile ground for this type of nonsense, for one thing it's a settler society with an albeit weakening, but still ever present myth of frontier conquest and colonial expansion (I say its weakening due to things like the mostly symbolic commitments towards stuff like reconciliation on an official level over the past couple of decades, a recent development though is that the more explicitly reactionary side of mainstream politics seems more reluctant to even engage in this symbolism and that definitely changes up the dynamic), then you have the "centre left"/socdem institutions like the ALP or the unions, (the latter of which have successfully been put in a straitjacket by both Labor and the Libs and are primarily staffed by careerists twiddling their thumbs and waiting to be preselected in some safe Labor seat) being completely and utterly unable and/or unwilling to deal with economic concerns and crises like the housing crisis or cost of living issues and wages being shit and anyone further to the left like The Greens or all the smaller trot and other groups carrying out political agitation in a way that isn't effective at reaching anyone outside of a small subsection of society who are usually either PMC types living in the inner suburbs of the capital cities or students(iirc SAlt explicitly mention that they don't really care too much about agitating workers and that students are their priority). Then of course you've got basically all of the media in this country being an opinion column for our wonderful bourgeoise to churn out slop on daily basis telling people that all the houses being expensive and their lives getting more shit is because of Indians and Chinese and that Aboriginal people, the supposedly all powerful left that this country has, Sudanese teenagers and the Chinese once more are conspiring to break into your house and steal your cock, your balls and your 2019 Ford Ranger XLT. Add what's happening online, where if you open up tiktok or ig reels it won't be long before you see some morons sperging about the jews, trans people, immigrants or culture war nonsense from the states and there basically being no one agitating from any kind of leftist standpoint that woulPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2634318
Yeah I think I misread/read stuff into the original comment. I interpreted it as them keeping trans people in the army like before, not treating them as slaves like op said but sending them into more dangerous operations like the examples I mentioned (Liwa Fatemiyoun fighters were often essentially used as cannon fodder to soften up jihadist positions so Quds Force/Tiger Forces/Wagner PMCs/etc could make decisive assaults, for example)

>>2630629
>the only people who care about what Trump is doing right now are hyperonline PMCs who have no balls to do anything in the streets
Every Accusation is a Confession
<‘Polka Dot Dress Woman’ Goes Viral for Fighting Off ICE Agents in NYC
<Dressed in a blue polka-dot dress, a matching navy blazer, and red shoes, the woman was seen shoving an agent wearing a bulletproof vest
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/polka-dot-dress-woman-goes-123213081.html

>>2630623
The epstein case is reprehensible but let's be real the only people who care about what Trump is doing right now are hyperonline PMCs who have no balls to do anything in the streets, we have to wait until the Tech bubble collapse and proles to feel that shit impacting their wallets for there to be any unrest

>>2630577
>>2630573
Every regular poster here only repeats the same thing over and over again. Wrongschizo and Felix are no different.
The Deng glazer glazes. The CPUSA folks always do their DNC propaganda. The DSA folks always hype up new hot PMC candidate and hide when they inevitably betray us. The TWist wants the honkoid dead. The leftcom just wants to be a smug moron who keeps repeating the same one-liners and buzzwords that their Guru used in 1930 etc etc.
Everyone is a broken record here.

>>2626829
>/r/Cruise
literally a Jeffrey Epstein PMC lol

>>2617351

<muh labor is when coal miner

fucking retard. just because america is a dictatorship of the bourgeois wherein the positions of power are captured by the capitalist class, doesn't mean literally every managerial position and task is 'PMC'. do you not think that communism requires specialists in organization and management? do you really think communism is when mcdonalds employee is president? what 'productive labor' did Lenin, or Stalin, or Trotsky perform beyond their administrative and managerial functions? were they secretly fucking farmers between leading revolutionary armies?

>>2616762
>Full-time Party member is full-time proletarian who contributes immense mental labor
So the PMC comprises the proletariat? That's news to me!

>Xi Jinping provides greatest services to all workers of world as evidenced by fact that Communist China eliminated poverty.
Okay, but what form of productive labor has he done in the past century? What product has he produced, procured, or preserved using his labor, which is to say, by actually physically doing something, not by directing someone else.

>>2603046
Celebrate it. Have a party. Dance around a fire. Stop centering it in the communist movement. We want to abolish capitalism not circlejerk every disadvantaged group that capitalism has fucked over.

This is no different than the trans crap, why does it have to be front and center. All this stuff is downstream, it is superstructure.

I'm sure you will agree that this stuff, aboriginal, trans or whatever other identity politics, is extremely divisive and often captured by corporate PMC propaganda? So why center it when we are trying to create a broad coalition?

i would rather view, bump, pin and congratulate people who speak up on the "PMC" menace

>>2599569
If you were at an invasion day event you clearly are interested in PMC nonsense. You want to appeal to inner city lefties that's fine, but stop calling yourself a communist
>>2600142
You don't need to pander to hicks, but you need to have a message and bring material economic benefits to everyone. Nothing turns people away faster than pandering and symbolic gestures to minorities. All Australians are suffering and exploited, why the need to put the focus on aboriginals? Communism is a rejection of identity politics.

>>2599494
Mate I'm not even from Melbourne and I don't even use the term in my daily life but you have some seriously rustled jimmies about this.
>>2599569
This anon nailed it, stop putting your "muh salt of the earth white true blue working class Aussie battler" on a pedestal. The working class is not just white Aussie bogans and they don't deserve any special pandering. Where I live the most exploited workers are all brown with white people mostly in PMC or petty bourg jobs. Heaps of tradies are petty bourg.
You sound like a Jackson Hinkle type.

Reminder to hide, sage, filter, and report people who speak of "PMC" as a real thing

>>2599531
Yes of course their communities are fucked up. It's called capitalism, i.e. dispossession and exploitation.

How to fix it?
Abolishment and replacement of capitalist mode of production with communism. Not liberal moralist signalling and acknowledgements.

Nothing I said was racist you fucking clown, I said what people outside your inner city university town actually believe. If it's shocking to you, you are just displaying your ignorance of the situation.

Keep calling melbourne Naarm, keep getting laughed out of every town and pub in Australia. You are preaching to the choir, the NGO, PMC choir.

>>2596058
this contradiction is why the PMCs come up with all the other anti ai shit, because if they complain about ai raping wages too much they'll be in for a generational mockery from a working class full of schadenfreude

>>2596328
And please read my reply here >>2596071. I'm not justifying blind nativism against migrants. What i hate here is the utter hypocrisy of PMC leftists fearmongering about AI while smugly lecturing blue collar workers who bought into similar hysteria vis a vis migrants. It is this overbearing PMC hypocrisy that is grating more than anything else

Of course, immigrants are our fellow workers, and AI is not. That should factor into the consideration on whether your are pro or anti immigrant, and to how much you want to take your proposed solution to the immigration crisis (for leftists, we want one that does not escalate tension between workers and ethnic groups, and encourage growth in the third world). That requires patient and comprehensive political work on our part. But the point still stands about PMC hypocrisy

>>2540545
I understand where your sentiment is coming from due to the horrific barbarity of the Zionist Genocide of Gaza, but if we step back and take a long view of History from a Dialectical Materialist perspective, you realize that the reason the Zionist Genocide of Gaza feels so unique is primarily because it has been so much more fully documented by Primary Sources then past Genocides that were of equal or often much greater Scale and Barbarity, due to the existence of the Internet, Social Media, and 24/7 Cable News, as prominent examples of past Genocides carried out by various Settler-Colonial and Fascist States since the rise of European Colonialism include the Holocaust, the 1943 Bengal Famine, the Congo Genocide, the Irish Potato Famine, the Transatlantic Slave Trade, and the Native American Genocide, just to name a few, and if you apply your logic to its obvious conclusion, you would support the collective punishment of most European Nations/Ethnic groups (not just Western Europeans like the English, French, Dutch, Germans, Italians, Spanish, Portuguese, etc, but the Russians as well, due to the Russian Settler-Colonization/Genocide of Siberia and parts of Central Asia) and all European Diaspora populations such as Anglo-Americans, Anglo-Canadians, Québécois, Anglo-Australians, White Hispanics, etc. due to the past Genocidal Settler-Colonialism carried out by members of those Ethnic groups/Nations, as it is extremely hypocritical, and dare I say “Anti-Semitic”, to apply this strict standard to Jews and not to all of these White European populations, and it is definitely worth noting that as much as many don’t want to admit it, even before 1492, Genocide was unfortunately the norm throughout History, both of the Violent (Slaughtering entire Ethnic Groups/Nations) and Cultural (Assimilating and Mixing entire Ethnic groups/Nations out of existence) variety, as seen in the Video of the Changing Ethnic Map of Europe over the past 2000 years I posted, which shows dozens of Nations/Ethnic groups in Europe, divided into several large Ethno-Linguistic groups, most notably the Germanic peoples, Slavic Peoples, Romance Peoples, etc. all of which have been Migrating/Invading, Mixing, Assimilating, and Genociding each other over the past 2000 years, with many Historical Invasions/Conquests/Migrations which archeologists previously thought were cases of elitPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2539429
>which barely concerns an average EU prole
You are right, it does. And consumer protection barely concerns average prole, and freedom of movement barely concerns average prole, and regional investments barely concern average prole, but when you add them up you will find out EU actually concerns great deal of people.
I cant properly respond to your points because there is nothing of substance to respond to, all you do is scream "bourgeoisee", "PMC", "liberal", as if that was a replacement for analysis or an argument. I could bring up working people from poorer EU countries benefiting from free movement, and you are just going to call them all PMC bourgeois threatlerites, I am sorry, I cant construct an counterargument to your personal affect.

>>2539367
>You just have some emotionally motivated dislike of EU
My dislike for the EU is political in nature because the EU is not a person but a political entitiy and that dislike is from a working class perspective. I gave you a number of clear examples why the EU is shit in particular for working class people but for some reason you got triggered by mentioning Erasmus which barely concerns an average EU prole but is loved by middle class youth and smug liberals in particular because they like to be smug about their education and how much they know about the world. Erasmus is for kids with higher education which means upper middle class because 75% of PMC offspring receives higher education. These kids don't need stipendia, because their parents are top earners. Meanwhile only 25% of kids with working class background make it into higher education. So i reckon you're a deluded middle class burger liberal who knows nothing about the EU's actual nature or you're a dishonest liberal EU shill. Either way, i'm glad i made you upset.

>>2539146
>Everybody has private market economy. None of its current members were anything other than private market economies before joining, and none of them currently show any desire to be anything but.
Except every single post-communist country which were given explicit demands by European advisors that they should fully open their markets to the West and sell off all of their state-owned industry if they ever want to join the EU. Their economies were purposefully hollowed under a carefully executed plan that was explicitly neoliberal.

>Freedom of movement is a big one
What's so good about brain drain in poorer Eastern European countries and increased competition among workers in richer Western European countries? Or about the middle strata of Southern European countries being turned into open-air museums with sky-high unemployment and ordinary people getting priced out of major cities? Does anyone like these aspects of open borders?

>Consumer protection laws is another
The reason why they are there in agriculture is because farmers are constantly in revolt. It wouldn't be otherwise without the EU, especially when it has already done a lot to make agriculture more export-driven and severely reduce the food sovereignty of European countries. In the car industry they are mostly about how to annoy the people sitting in the car the most effectively. They are a protectionist measure which is fine by me against non-EU countries but it also makes cars stupidly expensive. I have to admit the tech industry regulations are cool, but it's also not a flex because the only reason the EU is doing objectively good things like making USB-C mandatory is because it has no tech companies to speak of and in practice that means that US companies control the minds of Europeans and any EU country can be literally turned off at a push of a button. But I don't think there is a single person that is glad about those stupid plastic bottle caps, other than the (most likely German) companies which were given the chance to developed otherwise unnecessary machinery specifically for crushing plastic bottles.

>Plenty of EU innitiatives in education
What do you mean exactly? The mandatory propaganda classes in high school abPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2538938
Workers absolutely support right-wing parties

That doesn't mean petit-bourgeois can't right-wing too, but that depends on what we mean by petit-bourgeois. Actual small property owners that produce real goods, farmers in particular, are usually right-wing nationalists. This is what Marx meant in his time by petit-bourgeois and it is still correct in the economic sense, but context matters. The way capitalism developed in the late 19th and early 20th century, the uppers strata of the working class, professionals and the trade union bureacracy became just as subservient to capital as the petit-bourgeois. After neoliberalism, material production of things became less and less useful to capital and the source of profits shifted to monopoly rents. This made the industrial and agricultural petit-bourgeois an opponent of finance capital. Meanwhile the lower strata of the working class became lumpenized and its upper strata in large part shifted from managing industry to managing rentier capitalism. So in the political sense the real reactionary middle class is the professional-managerial class, and not the commodity-producing small property owners. It only makes it clearer that certain types PMCs refuse to be legally classified as workers because with their high income it's more beneficial for them to give up the legal protections that people classified as "employed" enjoy just so they can avoid paying mandatory social security contributions. These are the people who vote for mainstream liberal/green/"soc"dem/conservative parties. They are the ones with a stake in the system. Not the farmers getting raped by Monsanto.

>>2445177
There's a difference between a German financier or industrialist backing Hitler because they believe it to be financially lucrative and see unions and communists as a threat, and an incel member of the Freikorps or the SA who simply wants to beat Jews to death and violently rape a woman.
I recommend 'Male Fantasies' by Klaus Theweleit for a more in depth look and how it aligns with what I wrote.

>This psychopathology stuff obfuscates
No, it explains why the motivations of bougie NrX reactionaries are different from a white suburban chuds ranting about black people on xitter.
You cannot win these people over with reformism. They do not care about socialism no matter whether they're PMCs, proles or, lumpen. They're sexually frustrated, insecure, and want to watch other people suffer, or at least ensure they won't act as their bosses or remind them of the sex they're not having. Their concerns are libidinal and sexually pathological, not economic.

The NEETs who only care about their tendies, anime and video games aren't going to be voting for anyone anyway. Except maybe whoever they think will continue to allow them to live like that.

>>2416872
Thanks for the reply. I didn't mean to imply that I think religion is impossible to reconcile with communism. I've been thinking about the role of religion in society a lot lately, ever since my brother started getting really into his Christian faith, while at the same time retaining his left SocDem politics. As in he is still opposed to communism in high principle, but if I lay out my idea of a program to transition to communism (radically democratize the state, nationalize the monopolies while allowing small businesses to operate with incentives towards becoming co-operatives, etc.) he agrees with it. In fact I think his study of Jesus's teachings as described in the New Testament has even pushed him to the left. It's also pushed him to the right on "sexual politics" however - he's anti-abortion now, and while he's not anti-gay, I get the impression that he interprets the holy texts to mean that non-reproductive sex is sin but congenitally infertile people get a pass.

What I'm trying to say here is that I think religion, or at least Christianity, is compatible with socialism in practice. I'm an atheist, but when it comes to left-wing Christians I think I'd feel downright uncomfortable trying to persuade them to give up on religion.

Your point about people taking up communism as some kind of penance for their sins of benefiting from imperialism / racism / being a PMC Starbucks barista instead of shoveling coal etc. etc. is well said. I had an amusing discussion with one of those kinds of people - he was ashamed of owning a Macbook before his communist "conversion" but recoiled at the thought of paying $300 a year in party dues. I was paying more than that not only in dollars but also as a percentage of my income. I guess you can compare my example to Christians who obsess over their sins of watching porn etc. but refuse to get their wallets out to help the poor.

>>2398307
>>the left
>look inside it’s far right neoliberals
every American settler socialist movement over the last 15 years: "Google Bookchin, we must SMASH THE AUTHORITARIAN STATE for its racist regulations of consumer freedom for individuals"
People after googling Bookchin: "so wait, anarchists have 'no quarrel' with neoliberals who support selling children in the free market?"

lol PMC socialist literally dream of having woke versions of Jeffrey Epstein pagan temple islands, where sex workers are "liberated" from Stalinist oppression to cross borders to be servants of the class of redditors. Really makes you think about what Ukraine's "revolution of dignity" in 2014 was really about!

>>2190167
That's not an unfounded belief since middle class PMCs/intelligentsia have played prominent roles in other colour revolutions. In Eastern Europe these types tend to be Western facing and culturally/politically liberal, connected to international finance capital as middle managers, etc. However things do seem different here given the specificity of the demands which boil down to a transparent investigation of the train station collapse, amnesty for protestors/prosecution of police abuse, and an increase in education funding. I think students are in general relatively susceptible to being deployed as part of a colour revolution, but that doesn't mean it's always the case and there isn't much to indicate that it's happening here.