71 results in /leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect Anonymous 27-10-25 23:38:41 No. 2539429
>>2539367 >You just have some emotionally motivated dislike of EU My dislike for the EU is political in nature because the EU is not a person but a political entitiy and that dislike is from a working class perspective. I gave you a number of clear examples why the EU is shit in particular for working class people but for some reason you got triggered by mentioning Erasmus which barely concerns an average EU prole but is loved by middle class youth and smug liberals in particular because they like to be smug about their education and how much they know about the world. Erasmus is for kids with higher education which means upper middle class because 75% of PMC offspring receives higher education. These kids don't need stipendia, because their parents are top earners. Meanwhile only 25% of kids with working class background make it into higher education. So i reckon you're a deluded middle class burger liberal who knows nothing about the EU's actual nature or you're a dishonest liberal EU shill. Either way, i'm glad i made you upset.
Anonymous 27-10-25 20:57:20 No. 2539252
>>2539146 >Everybody has private market economy. None of its current members were anything other than private market economies before joining, and none of them currently show any desire to be anything but. Except every single post-communist country which were given explicit demands by European advisors that they should fully open their markets to the West and sell off all of their state-owned industry if they ever want to join the EU. Their economies were purposefully hollowed under a carefully executed plan that was explicitly neoliberal.
What's so good about brain drain in poorer Eastern European countries and increased competition among workers in richer Western European countries? Or about the middle strata of Southern European countries being turned into open-air museums with sky-high unemployment and ordinary people getting priced out of major cities? Does anyone like these aspects of open borders?
The reason why they are there in agriculture is because farmers are constantly in revolt. It wouldn't be otherwise without the EU, especially when it has already done a lot to make agriculture more export-driven and severely reduce the food sovereignty of European countries. In the car industry they are mostly about how to annoy the people sitting in the car the most effectively. They are a protectionist measure which is fine by me against non-EU countries but it also makes cars stupidly expensive. I have to admit the tech industry regulations are cool, but it's also not a flex because the only reason the EU is doing objectively good things like making USB-C mandatory is because it has no tech companies to speak of and in practice that means that US companies control the minds of Europeans and any EU country can be literally turned off at a push of a button. But I don't think there is a single person that is glad about those stupid plastic bottle caps, other than the (most likely German) companies which were given the chance to developed otherwise unnecessary machinery specifically for crushing plastic bottles.
What do you mean exactly? The mandatory propaganda classes in high school ab
Post too long. Click here to view the full text. Anonymous 27-10-25 19:34:00 No. 2539155
>>2538938 Workers absolutely support right-wing parties
That doesn't mean petit-bourgeois can't right-wing too, but that depends on what we mean by petit-bourgeois. Actual small property owners that produce real goods, farmers in particular, are usually right-wing nationalists. This is what Marx meant in his time by petit-bourgeois and it is still correct in the economic sense, but context matters. The way capitalism developed in the late 19th and early 20th century, the uppers strata of the working class, professionals and the trade union bureacracy became just as subservient to capital as the petit-bourgeois. After neoliberalism, material production of things became less and less useful to capital and the source of profits shifted to monopoly rents. This made the industrial and agricultural petit-bourgeois an opponent of finance capital. Meanwhile the lower strata of the working class became lumpenized and its upper strata in large part shifted from managing industry to managing rentier capitalism. So in the political sense the real reactionary middle class is the professional-managerial class, and not the commodity-producing small property owners. It only makes it clearer that certain types PMCs refuse to be legally classified as workers because with their high income it's more beneficial for them to give up the legal protections that people classified as "employed" enjoy just so they can avoid paying mandatory social security contributions. These are the people who vote for mainstream liberal/green/"soc"dem/conservative parties. They are the ones with a stake in the system. Not the farmers getting raped by Monsanto.
Anonymous 27-10-25 16:58:23 No. 2538951
>>2538915 >bernie is still going to bat for him really really hard I wonder why a left wing Zionist settler would defend a "committed antifa" footsoldier of international finance capital who worked with the CIA and nazis to SMASH THE STATE for BlackRock?.
>>2534844 >>2534913 >Reddit atheism didn't go far enough it turns out that New Atheists really are satanic evil, literally pagan pedophiles who celebrate nazi eugenics with their AI funder friend Jeffrey Epstein. If only there was an ancient book that criticized the ontological evil of the human sacrifice cult PMC priest class who rejects God in favor of private capital and false idols…No one knew this would happen! No one could have known about Sodom rape culture!
Anonymous 25-10-25 08:21:12 No. 2535979
The problem with nafoids both ITT and beyond, is their flat-out refusal to ever play devil's advocate with Russia, ditto their refusal to analyse Russia outside of projection to it being a "fellow" imperial state.
So there's no real cause to Russia's invasion, beyond whatever the motivations were for the imperial states to lie about WMDs in Iraq to justify invasion. Therefore, Russia must suffer from the same constraints as the West in Iraq.
>Beheading the state has to come quickly, because the use of hard power is considered "gauche" and the longer the "invasion"-part continues, the more likely Russian liberals are going to rise the masses against it without moving on to merely occupation peacekeeping and doing all the nice soft-power, liberalising stuff where further fighting is only against evil holdouts who hate liberalism >The conflict is solely about profit, so it must not cost anything to fight, Russian weapons manufacturers are no doubt pleased but while the US is run by the MIC and thus wars never stop being profitable, Russia is "le benzin station with nooks" and now this conflict is costing the Russian oligarchy with Ukraine's attacks on energy who will rise up against the Kremlin just as we expect Raytheon to hire a PMC to invade Washington DC if the high-tech, low-stakes interventionism ever ends >Russia is using an all volunteer army AND sign-up bonuses have increased during the conflict, that means no one in the Russian military wants to risk death fighting Ukraine any more than US Troops who signed up to fight in the War on Terror because the salary would buy them a Dodge Challenger did, therefore as soon as the conflict starts getting a bit dangerous, all the troops are going to start mass committing suicide, suffering from PTSD, writing books decrying how pointless the war was and they were lied to some of which will be turned into movies where you WILL watch the Murhines cry, etc So by all projection, this conflict shouldn't have lasted longer than a month, because we wouldn't expect the US military to exhibit any tenacity given the same circumstances, where the circumstances are framed as "Iraq, but Saddam is actually capable of fighting back and even getting some shots in at the US itself".
They ultimately are as angry as they are because open fighting has lasted for longer
Post too long. Click here to view the full text. Anonymous 24-10-25 20:26:46 No. 2535350
>>2535344 i reckon america is focous-group ran like the rest of our OECD countries but the focous-groups instead of being full of PMC's it's just copies of this woman.
Anonymous 24-10-25 09:33:19 No. 2534711
>>2534690 What's odd here is that Labour are doing their best to alienate high autism score, PMC, middle class, high status, etc etc voters instead of embracing them. They're destroying their own value as a status symbol by pandering to low status ideas and, worst of all, they're not even successful at winning those people because they're a gang of awkward dorks. It's like Waitrose becoming a discount supermarket, losing all their middle class customers, and still being avoided by price conscious shoppers because it's fucking Waitrose.
Anonymous 24-10-25 09:08:23 No. 2534690
>>2534654 the elite theory explanation is that the working class have low social status so cannot be supported by labour. thats it. this is not to say that these surrogate groups like ethnic minorities necessarily have high social status (still, they do out-margin poor whites), its only to say that to support them as a white person denotes high social status, while fighting the ignorant peasants beats away the ogres. its a politics of fashion. but why is this? because virtue signalling is a form of social intelligence which affects high I.Q. individuals, with labour constituents and members generally having higher education over other groups. this difference between the workers and bourgeois intelligentsia is also commented upon by lenin as a necessary contradiction:
<We have said that there could not have been Social-Democratic consciousness among the workers. It would have to be brought to them from without. The history of all countries shows that the working class, exclusively by its own effort, is able to develop only trade union consciousness, i.e., the conviction that it is necessary to combine in unions, fight the employers, and strive to compel the government to pass necessary labour legislation, etc.[2] The theory of socialism, however, grew out of the philosophic, historical, and economic theories elaborated by educated representatives of the propertied classes, by intellectuals. By their social status the founders of modern scientific socialism, Marx and Engels, themselves belonged to the bourgeois intelligentsia. https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1901/witbd/ii.htm so then, there is a conflict of interest between the proletariat and the communist party, even as marx understood it in the manifesto, with communists themselves only being a clique of internationalists. pver time, labour has become filled with more of the educated (PMC) , over traditional sects like trade unionists, and this has affected the political attitude.
Anonymous 24-10-25 04:49:32 No. 2534495
>>2532869 >Steaks for everyone, for every meal under communism >>2532971 >Finally. A spark of consciousness in this swamp of sentimentalism Abundance is, of course, Zionist ideology from the class of euphoric PMC Elon Musk technocrats. Neoliberals explicitly condemn degrowth using the exact same language as their fellow PMC Marxist counterparts in the ACP who also talk like smug anime villains as they scold they slaves. Why?
Because they are all the class of settler cannibals who define their entire personality around the murder of indigenous humans ("nonhistoric people" as Marx and Engels said regarding their historical materialism program that neatly aligns with what German industrialists said during the holocaust). Socialists whole thing is "we need fully automated luxury space communism, in my utopia, I will be the Contrapoints art critic in the Star Trek spaceship along with Elon Musk". Marxists seethe at the thought of being forced to learn the names of their Palestinian slaves and to work alongside them to do the same jobs they do. Nothing could make the Ben Burgis class of PMC settler socialist Jews more angry than their slaves ignoring their incessant scolding from them and their fellow Big Industry psyop friend Charlie Kirk
Anonymous 24-10-25 02:33:22 No. 2534417
>hopeless Hope is having goals, it is doing praxis. It's your problem for not moving forward on any program. Take a few steps forward to achieve some small goal, and if you can't, find someone to support you.
>>2533421 >Maybe leave the fourth reich and find a place that still operates dialectically <Aristotle: walked away from his segregated apartheid neighborhood to speak dialectically with his slaves <Ben Burgis: PMC podcaster who politely debates his settler neo-nazi friends like Charlie Kirk, while having nothing but contempt and scorn for his slaves, making a career of New Atheist style scolding like a good PMC Jeffrey Epstein club member >>2533458 >The reaction also really doesn't have anything to do with "trans people" in particular the bourgeois ruling class being obsessed with controlling the genitals of their slaves is very particular and obvious
Anonymous 23-10-25 08:44:18 No. 2532811
>>2532727 The greens aren't going to win the election (yet) because the country is full of pensioners and resentful low-status idiots, but the demographics get more favourable year by year (more 2019 Tory voters died than switched in 2024!).
Labour aren't going to win the election because despite being the natural PMC party their plan is to alienate everyone who knows the difference between a paedo and a pediatrician.
Media manipulation primarily works on undesirable demographics (remember, if only people with degrees could vote we'd be well into the third Corbyn term despite media aimed at PMC, like the Guardian, doing more than most to undermine him) so the press coming out against the greens won't affect them - the "seriousness" of a policy platform is an illusion: Johnson 2019 and Starmer 2024 both had deeply unserious platforms cosplaying as serious.
The idea that UK feminists are more serious than those elsewhere is risible. Every trans person in the country could be a rapist and the negative attention they receive would still be excessive relative to their numbers. Relative social status is a much better explanation:
The UK has more cranks who resent that transhumanists (on twitter) are high status (on twitter) and they aren't, despite being an Observer columnist and a dutiful class traitor with an affected accent and therefore clearly more deserving. It's so unfair when dangerhairs mock you and spoonerise your stupid double barreled name in the replies to your column where you distastefully joke about Thai transsexuals. (Don't they understand that you're a high status columnist, well above a mere pleb, or a man in a dress [tee-hee!], and certainly above some third world hooker?)
But fortunately there's a waiting audience for their columnist whining on Mumsnet: a Blairite type bitter that society doesn't give a damn about middle aged or older women (a legitimate resentment, but wrongly sublimated into resentment of the young and cool rather than real activism to change this)
Meanwhile in normal countries PMC and liberals understand that it's much cooler to endorse trans rights because it signals their own progressiveness and tolerance and it alienates low-openness conservative losers. It's a brilliant filtering mechanism and a signal of desirable traits to boot.
(Ask yourself: if you wanted to keep /pol/
Post too long. Click here to view the full text. Anonymous 22-10-25 18:27:31 No. 2531430
>>2531358 Yes and no, mostly yes. The status of many current elites is illegitimate (I mean look at the pathetic spectacle of the PLP elves trying to appeal to the ogres) and they deserve their downfall, but on the whole their replacements should be high cultural capital lefty-liberal sorts who're appropriately performatively anti-elitist in a way that chafes a little bit (because it hypocritically deflects from their - deserved - higher status) but not enough that you'd refuse to vote for them.
Labour will die because it doesn't have the guts to become a PMC (and temporarily shelf stacking would-be PMC) party, secure (but modest) in its own superiority.
>>2531414 Low status low openness shithole subject to negative selection effects (all the best Britons were smart enough to leave to better lands, we're the descendants of those too foolish, cowardly, or - hopefully not many on leftypol - aristocratically
inbred to leave)
But we can entertain ourselves coming up with ways to save it and reasons for why it's damned.
Anonymous 22-10-25 17:34:14 No. 2531346
>>2530830 If I am glib: I have embraced the PMC. In a PMC electorate
>Yeah the left doesn't want border patrols, wants the military disbanded, doesn't want police, wants to ban the real estate market etc Will win you the election. It's only because there are dumbarses and geriatrics who think (citation needed) that the police would actually be abolished (or that the solution to their shithole being a shithole is more cops rather than
leaving by any means possible ) that it's not yet a walkover.
In the PMC world, you lose the election campaigning for police abolitionism because it's
so 2021 rather than because it's too radical. In the PMC world you fund public services so they've got something to do paperwork for - meanwhile in dumbworld you defund public services to wipe the smirk off the PMC's faces because even though it hurts everyone, their status falls relative to Dumbo's. Then the savings go to some cunt like Farage (who's low status by virtue of being a wanker, making him an ally of those who're low status because they're not hip enough to keep up with PMC lingo)
It's idiotic on the face of it.
(I don't see things in these terms, but sometimes it's fun to present your argument like a total cunt. Even if it is uncool. Call them PMC if you want, I'd rather be managed by the tedious professional managerial class than by the seething resentful lumpen/petit bourg class.)
Anonymous 22-10-25 15:46:14 No. 2531141
>>2530730 >"he addressed his fascism in our interview" PMC bluecheck -> soulless neoliberal NPC opinion discarded
>>2530927 >psyop, every mind fuck and every wrecker Fascists need to externalize internal contradictions with schizo attempts to cope because they reject Marxist historical materialism and class war
>>2531107 >America can absolutely divest from imperialism while still being self-sufficient and giving its own citizens a decent quality of life <citizens Citizenship was, of course, invented by the pedophile slave owning liberals in ancient Greece and the Roman "imperium". Modern America is founded on fossil fuel extraction and refining to achieve this Jeffrey Epstein utopia. There's reason why Zionists have destroyed so many middle eastern countries and put pedophiles in charge. Resisting finance imperialism is an attack on the American middle class of Trump voting boat owner who are hungry settler cannibals that demand more cars and plastic product consumerism. There's a reason why the "Abundance" movement, the left wing of Zionism is explicitly against degrowth, the ideology of indigenous people who are actual human beings with souls
Anonymous 22-10-25 13:09:23 No. 2530993
>>2530942 Truth be told, I’m not too concerned about ICE having more weapons and equipment, because we already have the military and a militarized police force to deal with, and that’s factored in. And we also have to account for the fact that they’re dumber than even the police, and will probably accidentally blow their own brains or some sheriff’s brains out at some point. Or just blow themselves up or something. And we also have to account for the fact that they’ve already started pissing off the military, federal agents, and the police as well.
So it’s not terrible, but still something we should be more concerned about than some fuck off (previously?) pmc nazi succdem.
>>2530957 >people were just brainwashed by liberalism hard And it is a truly frightening thing to see. Already past being cult like for a disturbing amount of people.
>>2530958 Can you name some of these tasks for the thread then so we may understand in full what is lacking with our efforts?
>>2530965 I’m fine with this. I don’t ever want to see a privatized space. Ever.
>>2530971 >Well the goal should be picking someone We need to get over this strange fixation on relying on representatives for everything political. It’s just weird at this point.
>actually willing to fight when elections will inevitably be either called for Trump or cancelled altogether and popular enough so that people are willing to fight for them. I am happy to already announce that won’t be a succdem who rose to prominence from a liberal election.
Anonymous 22-10-25 07:18:07 No. 2530830
>>2529695 Honestly you should always go on the offensive when it comes to Zionists because there is no real logical argument to defend them.
Zionist/Nazi comparisons should be made relentlessly but not "Zionazi" show why Zionist arguments are just Nazi shit, "Do you support a German right to ethnic self determination" should be the response to anybody saying that Zionism is just "Jewish right to ethnic self determination", if someone claims they are Zionist, ask if they support Negation of the Diaspora and if "Diaspora" Jews are detestable degenerate creatures since it is the core theoretical concept of Zionism.
Say the IDF are a Terrorist organization, list IDF crimes, bring up they hold more hostages than hamas, rape and murder hostages etc. Bring up the Jewish community support Terrorism by funding the IDF and Zionist terrorist orgs in the West Bank etc.
The biggest issue the Left has is always fucking always being on the defensive and bending over for the pathologically bad faith Jewish community QQ'ing who 95% support everything Israel does.
>>2529674 More just stickers on poles and people wearing Palestine badges on bags, jackets etc.
>>2529626 Israel has been literally the least popular country among Brits since the 1990s.
This is again why people bending over for Jewish QQing is retaded, the average Brit hates Israel.
Anyway on other news, the Greens are being massively boosted by the press, again the left are falling for the obvious trap of supporting obvious fucking cranks, so when election season comes, the entire media will turn on them and be like "Yeah the left doesn't want border patrols, wants the military disbanded, doesn't want police, wants to ban the real estate market etc".
>>2528325 Both are retarded in their own way.
The most intelligent people I've known though, especially among the left are non-University edcuated. Highly Intelligent working class people who don't get brainwashed into the PMC Uni middle class tend to have the best of both worlds. Actually street smart and in touch with
Post too long. Click here to view the full text. Anonymous 21-10-25 22:41:48 No. 2530330
>IT'S JUST INK BRO! burger NPC .
Anonymous 21-10-25 20:59:45 No. 2530131
>>2530098 It's so funny that the discourse is about the symbol in a vacuum. Because of course what could it be about?
You can't just criticize the institution as a whole, that's still politically incorrect. So the only answer is that:
>But also, being involved in the heinous actions of US empire, working for the heinous PMCs (which got the bad rep as a lightning-rod for the army in general) >AND having a Nazi tattoo,as many other soldiers do apparently >AND and Platner himself saying it wasn't a big deal for the army vetters who had no problem in hiring him to guard the ambassador for the State Department >…Is just no indication of anything, just nothing to see here. OR alternatively
>"Look the other way or at least, IDK, pinch your nose for the party because Nazi or not you OWE us loyalty." >Or, we will throw you to the Republicans >>2530124 Post too long. Click here to view the full text. Anonymous 21-10-25 13:34:04 No. 2529529
>>2529489 Yeah dude the guy with a literal fucking Totenkopf tattoo who served in the fucking BLACKWATER PMC'S is just hekkin wholesomely advocating for dramatically expanding the Navy at a time when the warmongers are callling for war.
You're so beyond retarded that's almost fed bait.
Anonymous 21-10-25 11:39:23 No. 2529432
The guy who "felt called to duty" to enlist for the invasion of Iraq then again for Afghanistan.
The guy who, not satisfied with having destroyed both places for the US/NATO, enlisted again but now with Blackwater as a local enforcer in Afghanistan.
The dude was literally posting about "being a communist" on reddit WHILE WORKING FOR THE BLACKWATER PMC IN AFGHANISTAN.
He's now doing the;
"Smol bean imperialist pigs just want free college/healthcare" https://xcancel.com/grahamformaine/status/1980400612790661222#m >The support from the VA literally saved my life. >You shouldn't have to go to Iraq, fight in a pointless war, and watch your friends die to get decent healthcare. It's hard to imagine the mental space that USAnos are in, to be this much of a
cuck and retain that shit-eating-grinned sense of worth that drives them from calamity to calamity. You really are a blight on the world.
Anonymous 20-10-25 20:00:25 No. 2528710
>>2528706 Dems don’t pander to Christians. They pander to “logical” and “rational” educated elites (PMC). The people who think they’re too smart for religious faith.
Anonymous 20-10-25 14:41:17 No. 2528219
>>2528198 >because nobody knows how to get food for themselves without an Amazon delivery
Anonymous 20-10-25 03:21:25 No. 2527866
Liberals are always condescending, like they feel a constant urge to put the "bad people" (in this case, MAGAts) in their place. Makes sense that so many Democrat Party voters happen to be PMC.
Lookism as Capitalist Ideology Anonymous 19-10-25 05:47:31 No. 2526780 [Reply]
In the past, adhering to lookism helped me get ahead in life. I got a fancy job, dressed a fancy way, and people thought I was a normal member of the PMC. And it made me revile the human race even more than ever before. Because I saw humanity for what it was: a herd of cattle that devours the slop it is fed, only to vomit it out and recannibalise these humours. After a while, my bitterness for the human race turned to revolutionary ire, only for it die away into the aches of listlessness. I decided we were unfit for existence. We are a herd of dumb cattle that only know the barbed fences of society, we only think through the slave mentality branded onto us.
Anonymous 18-10-25 17:33:57 No. 2526081
In Communist China, the millitary and citizenry are one. The people point their tanks at the enemies. In imperialist countries, the tanks are pointed at the people. In Communist China, every citizen is potential soldier with common duty to uphold Communism. In imperialism, all soldiers are unconnected to the people and are all PMC and bourgeois
Anonymous 17-10-25 08:35:24 No. 2524501
>>2524468 I'd disagree but not for the reasons other posters did. Socialism, after the the early XX century, which is when the world had the closest thing to an organic working class socialist movement, doesn't really have a class conscious proletarian base to rely upon. In our context specifically, the working class has turned towards nihilism and reactionary attitudes, even in times of low wages and destitution, because with the globalization of every form of capital, there are no longer levers of power afforded to a national working class and most if not all opposition to the system is contained through extensive surveillance and sheepdogging. There's also a number of divisions in class society that socialists never really adapted to. We now have the PMC, a new corporate lumpenproletariat, a semi-proletanized petty bourgeoisie, service workers, all atomized and divided up into cultural swarms, all entrapped by capitalist politics of the culture war, in which compliance to one side or the other could very well have real effects on their hiring prospects, legal status, and reputation across the entire county and maybe even a good chunk of the world. This means that everyone is forced into a reactive position that is inherently detrimental to thought itself, much less an interest in developing a positive outlook or political movement. Things are more grim than they have ever been.
Anonymous 16-10-25 13:53:41 No. 2523457
>>2523449 I suspect this is actually quite alarming for NATO, it’s not just brushed off as immaterial because they control the Dollar and the Euro as many nafoists claim. That it’s happening is probably a real commitment to the idea that wars for NATO are destined to become wholly impersonal affairs that play out like
>Oh dear soft power has failed to install our man into <African nation> >Better call “Blitz” by Raytheon <It’s like the Uber for PMCs >Order comes in <60,000 Shahed Benjamin Franklin class an-hero drones, delivered directly to the seat of government, to be received within 24 hours or your money back >Order two state destructions and get the peacekeeping robots free for the first two months Etc etc
Anonymous 15-10-25 13:32:17 No. 2522064
>>2522060 whoever the honkoid PMC's tell you to
Anonymous 14-10-25 12:22:37 No. 2520896
It's all part of a wider issue. Of people fantasizing about a "less degenerate" capitalism and pretending it's communism.
Anonymous 14-10-25 04:33:51 No. 2520691
>>2519729 >Thiel suggests the antichrist would be a “luddite who wants to stop all science” As recent research into Charles Babbage shows, computers have always been satanic PMC tools used to surveil and police plantation slaves, the "dark Satanic mills" which William Blake prophesied. In typical Marxist fashion, now everyone, even CEOs are being proletarianized with their workflow also being scrutinized and fed to data analysis to attempt to "objectively prove" they are maximizing shareholder value for Porky. In reality, value can only be understood through Marxist critiques of social relations, of course Silicon Valley neoliberals are all atomized bugmen who want to live alone in pods, so that's not going to happen!
https://logicmag.io/supa-dupa-skies/origin-stories-plantations-computers-and-industrial-control/ https://www.economist.com/babbage/2012/08/20/difference-engine-competition-at-the-pump https://xcancel.com/mer__edith/status/1661749939461046272 >New article where I connect Charles Babbage & his 19th c. blueprints for digital computation to proto-Taylorist industrial labor control & the creation of a regime of denigrated, disciplined "free" labor. All of which has its roots in plantation slavery >Labor division, worker surveillance & record keeping are techniques that emerged on plantations as ways to extract as much labor from enslaved workers as possible. Well before they were deployed in industrial factories >Babbage was both the early co-designer of digital computing & an influential theorist of labor discipline. Both Babbage's "engines" & his labor theories repackage, expand on, and encode plantation techniques, particularly labor division and worker surveillance. >With this in mind, we can understand Babbage's work in total as striving to maintain British empire–i Post too long. Click here to view the full text. Glownonymous 13-10-25 10:23:42 No. 2519812
Surely, if prostitution is rape, then all those engaging prostitution themselves, not strictly out of need, would be just as bad as pimps and johns then.
OP/ED News Anon 3.0 10-10-25 03:10:19 No. 2515617
"The problems with PMC Theory" - Sam Badger (2025) In 1976, Marxist sociologists Barbara and John Ehrenreich published two essays on what they called the “Professional-Managerial Class”, or the PMC. This class, they argued, is distinct from the classic Marxist categories of bourgeoisie and proletariat, as well as the old petit bourgeoisie of small businessmen usually associated with the middle class. This PMC is the new middle class, and though it shares many properties with the working class (like selling their labor for a living), it has distinct class interests as well as a sense of entitlement and elitism thanks to their education. The Ehrenreichs blame the conflicting worldviews and goals between the PMC and the working class for the failure of socialism to advance in the United States, the dominance of “progressive” politics over class politics, and the general state of degeneracy of the American political left. Today, many on the left (and some on the right) make use of the Ehrenreich’s category to blame the PMC for identity politics, “wokeness”, and other targets for criticism. The Ehrenreich’s argument has a lot of strengths, as it does identify real political divergences and conflicts within the American left. This explanatory power has given the theory legs, hence its widespread influence in political discourse to this day. Yet the PMC is not a distinct class, but an agglomeration of skilled mental workers, managers, administrators, and the professional petit bourgeoisie. What the Ehrenreichs identify as a class is rather a cross-class cultural milieu, and the political issues they blame on the PMC is rather a conflict largely (but not entirely) within the working class. These internal class conflicts are not uncommon historically, and emerge from real divergences of interests.
https://libcom.org/article/problems-pmc-theory-sam-badger-2025 General Pinochet and the Vans of Death Early in the afternoon of March 24, 1999, my wife, Angélica, and I were seated high up in the gallery overlooking the chamber of the House of Lords in London, where a panel of law lords (the English equivalent of a Supreme Court) was to decide whether there were grounds to extradite General Augusto Pinochet, Chile’s eighty-three-year-old former dictator, to Spain to face charges of tortur
Post too long. Click here to view the full text. Anonymous 09-10-25 19:53:22 No. 2515167
>>2515076 That's the point. Both sides have now agreed that the plane went down because of a Ukrainian drone attack. Aliev's reaction has been to express support for Ukraine right after this, so there is obviously no element of seeking justice here. They also arrested journalists and do Ukraine-inspired retardation like renaming Russian cities on their maps.
Azerbaijan's policy is mostly opportunistic, but recently they have been far more aligned with the imperialist world, going as far as to supposedly station American PMCs in the Zangezur corridor. The fact that neither Iran nor Russia managed to punish this behavior shows weakness that imperialists will no doubt try to exploit.
It could be done as part of some broader deal to make Azerbaijan lean away from the imperialist camp since Azerbaijani media seems to report it in the same terms instead of gloating, but it shows that being aggressive and aligning with imperialism works, at least it worked in this instance and now Russia just shows that it won't be doing shit about it. In other words, this is seriously bad news if you look at it in context.
Anonymous 07-10-25 10:45:19 No. 2511629
Russia lost because Ukraine survives as a PMC for NATO.
Anonymous 05-10-25 17:56:51 No. 2509583
This describes well the "PMC" middle class striver types that the online left loves to hate, but I think you'll find many online left posters are undersocialized. Hence the joke about anti-social socialists (opposed by the capitalists without capital).
Anonymous 03-10-25 07:53:44 No. 2506500
Pretty much, there used to be a pretty good Podcast that was a step by step self-analysis of the Western left by Aime and studebaker called "What's Left" and it really drove home to the point that the Western Left is mostly just "Human face" of internalized Neoliberalism where the left places "progressive" largely anarkiddie/pomo wash over what functionally are Neoliberal/Individualist policies. Sadly Early What's Left has been scrubbed from the internet and all that remains is the shitty post-left version after Leftards bullied Aime into being post-left by relentlessly calling her a strasserite for criticizing AOC back when AOC was KWEEEEEN and Studebaker left because the Podcast had like 20 listeners.
Anonymous 03-10-25 02:19:19 No. 2506321
>>2506164 >>2506206 It’s good it happened.
I don’t care if it was PMC or whatever.
If it accelerates the fascist state to have to further go mask off I’m fine with it.
Anonymous 02-10-25 16:23:31 No. 2505407
pmc status?
Anonymous 01-10-25 15:38:41 No. 2503946
the Civil War was about the right to rape slaves and transfer them across borders as commodity objects…but that's already the status quo thanks to neoliberals (lol PMC Breadtube anarchists are petite Jeffrey Epsteins who literally tweet their dreams of 'decolonized pagan sex temples where sex is freely given'…huh, so these liberal Zionists don't actually believe 'sex work is work', these degenerate socialists want slaves who willingly choose to be their servants?)
Anonymous 01-10-25 15:31:14 No. 2503940
>>2503899 >will they actually engage in leftist organizing in their new countries to make things better beyond social democracy? anarcho neoliberal rats before fleeing the sinking ship which they destroyed:
>"Tankies are wrong, being a globalist who cheers the CIA destroying every workers dictatorship is true revolutionary. Individualist decentralized liberal politics is superior to collectivism. DOGE are heroes for their epic smashing the state, we must unite to resist Stalinst authoritarianism that oppresses the free market, we need anarchist deregulation of the economy for BlackRock." anarcho neoliberal rats after fleeing the sinking ship which they destroyed:
>"nooo Ukraine becoming a NATO-Nazi Fourth Reich after we smashed the state for individual freedom isn't our fault, we are very confused and ignorant here at Crimethinc, we're just weak individuals who are powerless to do collective struggle, its not our fault we're weak cowards! Its actually tankies fault for being hateful to my trans friends who program drones to follow people. We are brave and heroic for our harm reduction of collaborating with globalists who destroy every workers dictatorship that attempts to organize to resist fascism. Putin is evil, Assad is evil, anti-Zionist tankies are evil and should be drone bombed. Anyone who stands against my PMC Breadtube wannabee-Jeffrey-Epstein friends is the axis of evil" Glownonymous 01-10-25 02:40:06 No. 2503317
>>2503270 >I work two jobs and live inland. Be glad that the activist class and PMC are doing all the hard work then. Or PMC students. Or "civil society" orgs. Or student movements. Or mainstream affiliated unions. Or "journalists" and "content creators". After all, you have to work for a living.
While the charitable and idealistic nature of their occupation produces perfect court eunuchs. Untainted by the harsh realities of the law breathing down your neck or financial insecurity. You would not get it, and your material attachments would corrupt their lofty goals AND means. THey'd be talking about real important things like "the planet" or "the biosphere" or big tent
idpol intersectional issues like racial wealth gaps and minority rights. And there you are, talking about *your* rent and *your* work and *your* mortage… Like this is just about you!
And who would pay for *you* to throw cornstarch at Stonehenge anyway? nobody. So you'd just be bringing their funding down to address these most important issues.
However, worry not. I got word that "
Gen Z " is gonna do great things all around, and carry Luffy flags.You are already being represented in the (philantropy funded) struggle.
Anonymous 29-09-25 15:11:47 No. 2501076
>>2500636 >They are now a race of oppressors, just like white people. "Fascism" is when the concentration camps which they cheered in Africa come home to affect Europeans
> it shouldn't be treated like it's a graver sin than anti-black racism "Telling Jews to 'go to the ghetto' is the most offensive thing you could say! Zohran is a vile antisemitic fascist" - PMC New Yorkers who live in the segregated apartheid part of their city and will never speak to the actual race of people who are nazi ghetto slaves on their woke neoliberal podcast
>>2500740 > the big hubbub about the "global antisemitism crisis" is just zionist propaganda No, there is clearly a global crisis in CAPITALISM…and the groups of people who are essentialized as 'agents of international bourgeois finance capital' will obviously be scapegoated
Anonymous 29-09-25 10:32:37 No. 2500763
>>2500696
[erikhoudini.com] !!0y.2JTCv0Q 29-09-25 00:52:32 No. 2500375
>>2500371 We are the only platform I know that said anything positive about this dude.
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Tyler Robinson is a hero of the people. There can be no room for debate with the oppressor class. While the president calls for a national day of mourning, Israel kills thousands in Gaza. Why is the life of one white supremacist worth more than half a million Palestinians? Because Charlie Kirk and the oppressor class make good money advocating for the killing. You know what's really, especially pathetic to me? Streamers like Hasan, who spend hours disavowing the radical actions of the people. Why does the media class of the 'left' always come out in lockstep when these actions happen? It's because they are from the same class. To someone like Hasan, the harm that the oppressor does is abstract, he mourns Charlie Kirk because to him, these debates, this media spectacle, is ultimately for a profit motive. To the media class, the harm of a disrupted status quo is immediate and terrifying. Hasan sits in his studio, a palace built on the crumbs of the very system he claims to critique, and his primary function is not to radicalize but to manage radical energy. To channel justified rage into safe, non-disruptive, and ultimately profitable avenues: donations, subscriptions, merch.
This is the ultimate betrayal, to watch a supposed ally, a self-appointed leader of the people mourn this disgusting white supremacist Charlie Kirk. "I was going to debate him in a month!" he screeches, knowing that a line of profit has been silenced. These cats all play with the same ball of yarn, at the expense of the working class. It is the role of the comprador intellectual, the leftist who has been granted a seat at the table on the condition that he explains to the masses why they cannot overturn it. When a Tyler Robinson acts, he makes their comfortable position untenable. He shatters the myth they so carefully cultivate: that change can be won through debate-club performances and voting guides. That the violence the system inflicts upon the working class is the only acceptable form of He exposes their analysis as a parlor game.
The media left, the streamer left, the PMC class, they are not allies. They are the shock absorbers for the system. Their condemnation is not based on a strategic disagreement; it is a class instinct. They must, at all costs, pro
Post too long. Click here to view the full text. [erikhoudini.com] !!0y.2JTCv0Q 29-09-25 00:44:00 No. 2500358
>>2500352 I used to believe that the idea of a professional revolutionary was inherently disconnected from the working class, creating a class of PMC types that manage everything. (Think: High ranking members of the DSA.)
But, there's an alternative path for the professional revolutionary. No material possessions and the ability to survive on minimal to no funding means you can essentially do anything and go anywhere, assuming you can get the funding to do so. Most professional organizers live much, much better than the working class (think: Second Thought), this creates an inherent disconnection, while also removing any level of actual stakes, and in fact can often be counterrevolutionary.
The alternative model sees the professional revolutionary living among the lowest end of the masses, working under the table jobs, getting by on just cash and the occasional donation. Lumpenization. Any issues the professional revolutionary is then dealing with or discussing are the same issues as the working class.
Anonymous 28-09-25 15:35:08 No. 2499299
>>2474273 >The US doesn't have a proletariat >>2474335 >allowing any random crackhead neo-nazi to buy an assault rifle and gun down a school Historical materialism shows its not random and gun ownership is tied to bourgeois dictatorship of Jeffrey Epstein rape culture guys (women aren't even allowed to fire a warning shot to deter a man lol):
>Zionist Marxists: "We need guns to do genocide of our goy slaves to protect settlers" >American Marxists: "We need guns to do genocide of our nonwhite ethnic slaves to protect settlers" DSA socialists supported their fellow settler ally John Fetterman because they think its good that he is a deputized settler colonialist who can legally run around with a shotgun to threaten random black people for "invading" and "terrorizing" his PMC socialist constituents. There's a reason why the anarchists at the CHAZ explicitly called the black children they murdered "terrorists", they are materially the same as their Israeli counterparts who also see a black child and think "I'm being terrorized!!! I need weapons to protect my woke whites only trans community"
Anonymous 28-09-25 15:19:54 No. 2499289
>>2490880 >Why would people stop making art just because others are choosing to use AI? She doesn't know about $$$$$
>>2427341 >there no longer has to be an intermediary between creator and audience, and no cost to the physical production process. lol everyone knows the AI boom thing revolves around materialist property ownership, like Nvidia computer chips and Amazon web servers etc. Typical for the PMC class, this pretentious socialist imageboard has the most coherent neoliberal idealist ideology seen since the '90s
Anonymous 28-09-25 15:15:59 No. 2499284
>>2416636 >Then wield it as a tool of political power. PMC socialists: "first Hitler (Netanyahu), then us!"
>>2490631 >yeah dude, THAT is the most important thing happening right now, that is the BIG problem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust >I can tell you are a white pig firstworlder, I can smell the decadence from a mile away. the Zionist AI targeted holocaust technocracy will come to to you too, smuglord
>>2426383 >I still think it's good writing neoliberal fanfiction for a book you haven't read is so typical of these soulless Jeffrey Epstein adjacent tech guys who brag about not reading Shakespeare
https://www.newstatesman.com/long-reads/2023/11/sam-bankman-fried-crypto-king-effective-altruism sage Anonymous 26-09-25 15:33:51 No. 2496863
yet another labor aristocrat armchair debate for soy PMC radlibs who have never gotten any dirt under their fingernails like their slaves
>>2493012 >nikola tesla actually did some actual science on the side of his alchemy People continually express the hauntology of Telsa's alternative history that never existed, but no one ever imagines an alternative Lysenko future. No one ever asks "wot if a red potato was yellow"
>>2495200 >the assertion that bourgeois science is neutral and free of ideology USSR secret police kidnapping? (scoffs) the CIA gives funding to avant garde artists, that's a much worse atrocity actually
goalpost shifting:
>>2496440 >all he ever really said was that organisms inherent acquired characteristics the most revolutionary scientist is suddenly just a smol bean uwu
>>2496558 Post too long. Click here to view the full text. Anonymous 25-09-25 01:09:30 No. 2494615
>>2494603 >actual "America First" Propertarians mutually against Zionism "settler nazis will help us fight settler nazis" - some degenerate PMC like Ben Burgis, probably
Anonymous 22-09-25 19:24:55 No. 2491487
>>2367946 "Lenin is condemned by modern Trotskyist PMC history 😏"…"🫨 wait no, you have to ignore the satanic New World Order of pedophile globalists who force children to spend hundreds of dollars to buy those history textbooks from the Zionist agent Robert Maxwell. We need to talk about pre-1992 history actually, REEEEEEEEEE!!!!"
Anonymous 20-09-25 19:01:25 No. 2488853
>China turns shitholes into functioning cities Dengists are just the soy PMC wing of fascism
>>2488125 >you MUST be 100% pro-China or else you're CIA African children have access to clean drinking water: but at what cost?
Anonymous 20-09-25 01:21:59 No. 2487878
I was thinking the other day of how Charlie Kirk was one of the few non-freak prominent rightoids. Bland. Banal. True. But also a family man who wasn't known as a disgusting sex pest, closeted homosexual, or pedophile degenerate.
The only other "non-freak" I can think of is unironically Ben Shapiro. But he's a jew. And so remains an "outsider".
It's going to be difficult moving forward for the larger MAGA/Christofash movement, especially with Trump pushing 80, when you lack any role models or flag bearers able to pick up where their predecessors left..
I saw some clips of Kirk doing interviews, and whilst he was hardly an intellectual titan, there was a soothing agreeableness to him that made his stances appear "reasonable" (even if they weren't). And I think in part this was due to his innate banality. But now you're at a point where no one has either Trump's secret sauce, or Kirk's average joe aura.
Kirk was also one of the few near the top who appeared to be universally liked (Fuentes/Groypers excepting) and didn't engage in constant twitter and other edrama.
I think it's gonna to be quite interesting once Trump croaks, and they have no one agreeable to rally around.
>>2487799 I think it should be pretty obvious by now this is mainly popular with the 'PMC" wing of the GOP/MAGA movement.
And ultimately, I think this is what everyone who cared about this "issue" always thought was the 'real problem', and not some 'unskilled" migrant worker from Honduras picking fruits in California.
There's a lot angst and psychopathology surrounding opposition to immigration (including internal)., but the recurring theme remains the fear the 'out-group' will take well-paying prestigious professional and managerial jobs, or push out established "native" small businesses. (Carpet Bangers etc).
I'm not saying you should shed tears over this, but considering who's pushing for this, and the reasons for it, it's not something which should be cheered on either.
It's very different from unions and organized workers demanding companies and sectors only hire union labor.
Anonymous 16-09-25 13:45:54 No. 2482168
pmc status?
[erikhoudini.com] !!0y.2JTCv0Q 16-09-25 00:37:14 No. 2481718
>>2481716 Better to just get ahead of it. We need to be militant. We need to understand that these spontanous events showcase the radicalism of the working class. The assassination of Charlie Kirk, if anything, is proof that the 'left' or those who are our talking heads, these various parties, none of these groups are actually speaking truth to the working class. The masses are more primed for revolution that anyone is willing to admit.
There's a reason for this, it's because the overwhelming majority of people who speak on behalf of the working class are in reality the PMC class. Your average higher up in the DSA is just completely disconnected from the level of struggle that exists out here. These streamers, these pundits, these people are not connected with the daily struggle.
Anonymous 10-09-25 09:56:33 No. 2469312
>>2469093 >Keep in mind it is historically documented that Western glowies could never get spies in high-ranking positions Are you saying Yakovlev wasn't a western glowie?
Source:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xcEnDHpMCc&t=899s 15.00
Anonymous 01-09-25 01:03:09 No. 2455855
>>2455833 >Service is defined in Marxist-Leninist textbook i linked you. I know. I read it. I'm questioning your interpretation. I want to start a conversation.
The world can do without the PMC, that much is certain. But what about janitors? They're not technically creating something new, but the work they do is obviously important; buildings need to stay clean after all.
Get real.
Anonymous 31-08-25 23:59:05 No. 2455807
>>2455786
Anonymous 24-08-25 11:25:43 No. 2445185
>>2445177 There's a difference between a German financier or industrialist backing Hitler because they believe it to be financially lucrative and see unions and communists as a threat, and an incel member of the Freikorps or the SA who simply wants to beat Jews to death and violently rape a woman.
I recommend 'Male Fantasies' by Klaus Theweleit for a more in depth look and how it aligns with what I wrote.
No, it explains why the motivations of bougie NrX reactionaries are different from a white suburban chuds ranting about black people on xitter.
You cannot win these people over with reformism. They do not care about socialism no matter whether they're PMCs, proles or, lumpen. They're sexually frustrated, insecure, and want to watch other people suffer, or at least ensure they won't act as their bosses or remind them of the sex they're not having. Their concerns are libidinal and sexually pathological, not economic.
The NEETs who only care about their tendies, anime and video games aren't going to be voting for anyone anyway. Except maybe whoever they think will continue to allow them to live like that.
Anonymous 04-08-25 23:45:08 No. 2417329
>>2416872 Thanks for the reply. I didn't mean to imply that
I think religion is impossible to reconcile with communism. I've been thinking about the role of religion in society a lot lately, ever since my brother started getting really into his Christian faith, while at the same time retaining his left SocDem politics. As in he is still opposed to communism in high principle, but if I lay out my idea of a program to transition to communism (radically democratize the state, nationalize the monopolies while allowing small businesses to operate with incentives towards becoming co-operatives, etc.) he agrees with it. In fact I think his study of Jesus's teachings as described in the New Testament has even pushed him to the left. It's also pushed him to the right on "sexual politics" however - he's anti-abortion now, and while he's not anti-gay, I get the impression that he interprets the holy texts to mean that non-reproductive sex is sin but congenitally infertile people get a pass.
What I'm trying to say here is that I think religion, or at least Christianity, is compatible with socialism in practice. I'm an atheist, but when it comes to left-wing Christians I think I'd feel downright uncomfortable trying to persuade them to give up on religion.
Your point about people taking up communism as some kind of penance for their sins of benefiting from imperialism / racism / being a PMC Starbucks barista instead of shoveling coal etc. etc. is well said. I had an amusing discussion with one of those kinds of people - he was ashamed of owning a Macbook before his communist "conversion" but recoiled at the thought of paying $300 a year in party dues. I was paying more than that not only in dollars but also as a percentage of my income. I guess you can compare my example to Christians who obsess over their sins of watching porn etc. but refuse to get their wallets out to help the poor.
Anonymous 29-07-25 17:04:39 No. 2407908
>>2398307 >>the left >look inside it’s far right neoliberals every American settler socialist movement over the last 15 years: "Google Bookchin, we must SMASH THE AUTHORITARIAN STATE for its racist regulations of consumer freedom for individuals"
People after googling Bookchin: "so wait, anarchists have 'no quarrel' with neoliberals who support selling children in the free market?"
lol PMC socialist literally dream of having woke versions of Jeffrey Epstein pagan temple islands, where sex workers are "liberated" from Stalinist oppression to cross borders to be servants of the class of redditors. Really makes you think about what Ukraine's "revolution of dignity" in 2014 was really about!
Anonymous 16-03-25 16:14:13 No. 2190176
>>2190167 That's not an unfounded belief since middle class PMCs/intelligentsia have played prominent roles in other colour revolutions. In Eastern Europe these types tend to be Western facing and culturally/politically liberal, connected to international finance capital as middle managers, etc. However things do seem different here given the specificity of the demands which boil down to a transparent investigation of the train station collapse, amnesty for protestors/prosecution of police abuse, and an increase in education funding. I think students are in general relatively susceptible to being deployed as part of a colour revolution, but that doesn't mean it's always the case and there isn't much to indicate that it's happening here.