105 results in /leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect Anonymous 10-12-25 09:29:02 No. 2590517
Damn an actual good post from city builders gang. But on that point about PMC radicalism i think it is because of their obsession to romanticism and the idea of dying for a cause. Same shit with ISIS, the neo nazis today, etc. Many of the people involved here are either from the academia or FIRE groups (finance insurance real estate), i e bloc bourgeois
Anonymous 10-12-25 06:15:48 No. 2590412
People who are overly critical of the PMC are just trying to ignore the inherent class-cuckery of the “working class”. They are annoying but they aren’t the cause of the Left’s constant defeat.
Anonymous 09-12-25 21:45:52 No. 2589989
>>2583942 "Last night, I watched a video on Sublation Media between Doug Alain and Chris Cutrone. Cutrone made the point that the PMC romanticize terrorism, mass destruction involving killing and raping, and the “noble death” because the PMC are “gangsters.” Not gangsters the way the ultra-rich capitalists are, but gangsters nonetheless."
I don't what intellectual petit-bourgeoisie these people usually encounter, but my experience is that the i.p.b. are extremely averse to violence, even going so far as to create entirely new conceptions of it like "micro-aggressions".
Perhaps they in a very rioty anarchist milieu? Because universities & offices have been by and large dominated by liberals of various colours that are extremely squeamish. Think Steven Pinker types.
They aren't very sexually promiscuous themselves either. Sure they think and talk about sex a lot, and it tends to be about sex in relatively degenerate forms, but data suggests they have less of it, adjusting for things like marital status.
Anonymous 09-12-25 21:33:23 No. 2589953
>>2583942 A more accurate term for "pmc" is the intellectual petit-bourgeoisie.
The class is defined by owning capital in the form of relatively scarce (in the market in a given period & place) knowledge and skills, such that the labour time they put into production is exceeded by the labour time equivalent of their renumeration (in a given period & place).
Further consideration (turn on auto-translate):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6okxuiNKj0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYDzGh4Dj7o Anonymous 09-12-25 19:20:27 No. 2589775
>>2589763 because the pmc honkoids that run the nyc and la chapters are scared of black people
Anonymous 09-12-25 18:25:13 No. 2589719
>>2589663 It's not that Tumblr took over the world, it's that Tumblr for whatever reason became the most visible face of PMC culture
Anonymous 08-12-25 21:50:12 No. 2588838
This thread is proof most “socialists” worship the PMC.
Anonymous 08-12-25 14:53:25 No. 2588244
>>2588227 >>2588235
Anonymous 07-12-25 12:05:34 No. 2586807
>>2583942 >Plus, they love sexual promiscuity and use “leftism” in order to promote it. Wait until you hear what ordinary proles talk about in break rooms.
Nothing he describes is unique to PMCs anyway (religious eschatological view of The Revolution, obscene enjoyment, fucking around)
>favour the lumpen and those on the margins of society over the genuine proletariat >sexual indulgence Sigh
Anonymous 07-12-25 08:26:49 No. 2586606
>>2583942 There is no "PMC".
Anonymous 06-12-25 23:40:13 No. 2586221
>>2583942 >He also heavily emphasized that the PMC hates the genuine working/class, because they see them as a threat to their power, so they deliberately manipulate working-class movements in order to offset and eventually dissolve them. Plus, they love sexual promiscuity and use “leftism” in order to promote it. Reminds me of what Leo Strauss said about the “noble lie” in Plato: philosophers (intellectuals) have to lie and deceive the masses so philosophers can maintain their class position in society. I’m sure Maupin has written about this very thing.
Anonymous 06-12-25 23:27:40 No. 2586208
That's not what a PMC is, please actually read theory instead of learning about it through memes and debates.
Anonymous 06-12-25 23:17:55 No. 2586194
>>2585350 don't forget that "identity based false consciousness" has trended in a more-and-more class conscious direction over time. there's a reason pretty much all of them are (or at least claim to be) socialists and communists!
>>2585552 there is a catch here: we do not live in democracies. there is very little correlation between what you believe, what you vote for, and what outcomes you get. indeed, voting itself is generally considered profoundly irrational. (perhaps the one point on which mainstream economists and /leftypol/ are agreed)
so far as such a division exists, it has little real material element. it's a fashion game played in inconsistent ways. "abolish the police" is an old round of a game of "cool" vs "uncool" rather than working class vs PMC. (e.g. many low-income dinergoths will say "abolish the police" because they're extremely online young cool people, while most high-income silicon valley types and traditional besuited straight-white-men with CEO positions who appease the Trump admin are pro-cop because they're extremely uncool. the uncool people focus much more on police abolition as a central left-wing demand, while cool people have mostly moved on to Palestine.)
Anonymous 06-12-25 22:18:34 No. 2586120
>>2585497 >I assumed leftist intellectuals favour the lumpen because they view the lumpen as a more "pure" revolutionary subject, as in they don't adhere to the values or social norms of capitalist/bourgeois society and thus they have more of an incentive to break the reproduction of capital. It depends on what you mean by "leftist intellectuals." If you're talking about the sort of university professor, social worker pmc type that's the subject of the thread, they "favor" them only insofar as they're useful to maintaining their class position.
The "lumpen" is extremely useful for them for a variety of reasons. Like, as a class abstraction, they're otherized enough that, say, a grad student can study them and make their career off of their expertise. And just like all categories of vulnerable people under capitalism, they're able to be endlessly "advocated for" or "fought for" without ever having to meaningfully interact with them, provide any substantial material changes, or ever threatening the pmc class position or capitalism in general.
So it really depends on what and who you're talking about specifically, because there are plenty of pmc types which "favor" them but rely on their existence for their own position, and would as soon let them run a train on their own mothers than contemplate any sort of revolution with them as the subject.
Anonymous 06-12-25 12:33:43 No. 2585682
>>2584476 Stimme dir voll zu. Denke persönlich aber, dass KI vor allem eine wohlfeile Begründung ist, unproduktive Jobs abzubauen (eben vor allem PMC und Petit Bourgoisie) und hoffe dass einigen davon, bei von dir benannter voller Buchse, auch noch die Einsicht haben, dass Sie sinnentleerte Bullshitjobs haben.
Anonymous 06-12-25 09:24:06 No. 2585600
>>2585589 damn,PMC country.
did you know India is one of the country with highest home ownership ? sounds like labor aristocracy to me
Anonymous 06-12-25 08:21:33 No. 2585572
The mfs screaming about PMC are the ones that then say China is socialist lmao
Anonymous 06-12-25 07:48:07 No. 2585552
>>2583978 >The PMC's irrationality is a measure of what they have to and are willing to do in order to secure their class position. Since it's unlimited, they can be no proportionality, because acting "rationally" would mean the elimination of their class and probably themselves. A very good example of this (and where the interests of the PMC clash with those of the working-class, or white working-class at least) is the subject of police and prison abolition. We know that the police exist to protect capital, that cops originated as slave patrol, that prisons are barbaric, and that all communists want to eventually see police and prisons abolished. However, the main proponents of police and prison abolition are the PMC, especially college/university professors and social workers. They usually live in areas like middle-class suburbs or gentrification stations in cities where street crime is very low. They don't have to worry about being mugged in the middle of the night or having their homes broken into and their laptops stolen. But above all, they have a class interest in getting rid of police: the idea is to either have social workers (who are PMC themselves) replace cops, and/or take preventative measures by pouring funds into healthcare, education, and better urban planning, all things which give power to the PMC. The (white) working-class, on the other hand, wants more cops in their hoods because they crave stability. They believe more policing will mean less crime that they have to deal with day-to-day. Of course, they don't understand the role of the police but they don't seem to care.
Anonymous 06-12-25 05:01:25 No. 2585497
>>2583978 >The marginalized have to take what they can get but that's because their class position makes them deeply vulnerable and thus exploitable, not because they are natural allies of the pmc. I assumed leftist intellectuals favour the lumpen because they view the lumpen as a more "pure" revolutionary subject, as in they don't adhere to the values or social norms of capitalist/bourgeois society and thus they have more of an incentive to break the reproduction of capital.
Anonymous 06-12-25 04:33:19 No. 2585474
>>2583991 >>2584097 >>2584099 >>2584100 >>2584101 >The revolution will, in fact, need doctors and nurses Which is why I find the "DOCTORS ARE COPS, HOSPITALS ARE CARCERAL IN NATURE, ABOLISH DOCTORS!" rhetoric to be so mind-numblingly cringe, especially coming out of a pandemic that killed millions of people worldwide and would have killed ten times as many people had doctors and nurses not been there to provide care.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DR2sZ0fD2DM/ Ironically, the people pushing the anti-doctor rhetoric happen to be PMC themselves. This person in vidrel is a doula, so they're in competition with doctors.
sage ACP threads Anonymous 06-12-25 01:47:06 No. 2585355
>>2583942 >Am I right or is there more to it? this might be the most idiotic smoothbrain thread I've seen on leftypol, I hope that you're just ragebaiting by quoting the most cringe armchair pseuds. Read Marx, please, I'm begging you
>>2584071 >Are engineers PMC? I thought they were just skilled working class skilled at managing plantation slaves, the bourgeois feminist hero Ada Lovelace who worked with Charles Babbgage for example:
https://logicmag.io/supa-dupa-skies/origin-stories-plantations-computers-and-industrial-control/ and of course:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust >>2585324 >if your job requires a bachelor's degree or higher you are le left wing version of fascism "you're crazy for saying 'Noam Chomsky is part of the Jeffrey Epstein class" HISTORY HAS VINDICATED ME!
Anonymous 06-12-25 01:38:02 No. 2585341
>>2585332 They play the role of engineering society and keeping actual proletarians in check. That’s PMC.
Anonymous 06-12-25 00:22:02 No. 2585295
>>2583942 The PMC are just left-wing versions of fascists. Love if the irrational and the rejection of the material for the spiritual are the ideological essence of fascism.
Anonymous 05-12-25 21:21:19 No. 2585044
>>2583942 >PMC (university professors, doctors, lawyers, engineers, scientists, artists) I reject the premise of the question
Anonymous 05-12-25 12:58:36 No. 2584476
>>2584461 Es gibt eine riesige KI-Blase an westlichen Finanzmärkten, das sieht man im Vergleich mit der Marktkapitalisation chinesischer KI-Entwickler in Ostasien, die gleichwertig leistungsfähige oder leistungsfähigere Produkte haben wie die Amis. Es ist halt Kapitalismus, Spekulantentum, Wucher, kurz: "Freier Markt". Dieser Schwachsinn steuert auf seinen nächsten Schlaganfall zu. Technik selber kann da aber nix für. KI hat das Potential viel Gutes zu tun, speziell unter AES-Bedingungen. Daß liberale PMCs und etliche Kleinkapitalisten ("Mittelschicht") jetzt die Hosen voll haben weil ihnen erstmals aufgeht, daß auch sie im Kapitalismus ersetzbar sind, nehme ich durchaus mit einiger Schadenfreude zur Kenntnis uezs.
Anonymous 05-12-25 07:55:12 No. 2584349
The "PMC" doesn't exist, idiot.
Anonymous 05-12-25 05:04:37 No. 2584214
>>2583942 >Cutrone made the point that the PMC romanticize terrorism, mass destruction involving killing and raping, and the “noble death” because the PMC are “gangsters.” Cutrone is the epitome of a pseud. You're better off not listening to a word he says.
CPUSAnon !SmhOsIjuAE 05-12-25 00:52:24 No. 2584075
>>2584052 >but this aint pmc, more like labor aristocracy That's a fair point, my bad. Though to salvage it, I'd say in the case of university professors in particular there's a kind of contemptuousness of the fact that for as brilliant as they think their ideas are, society is still ruled by the rich and the stupids. I think there's some old quote by Plato where he said if the state isn't run by "learned warriors" or whatever than it'd be led by cowards and protected by idiots. 'Course that's his justification for elitism but I think we see in a lot of these university types a recognition of their own helplessness. No matter how novel the idea is, no matter how much it penetrates every aspect of our society, its just dead words.
For a more relevant Marx quote you've got the whole "Philosophers have only interpreted the world, the point is to change it" line. Well I think maybe some of these guys are frustrated that interpretation alone isn't change, but they also realize that they're impotent. Some latch onto the idea of a change wholly outside of human influence which imposes an order on the rest of us, I guess you could call these the Techno-Accelerationists obsessing over AGI. Other times they fantasize about some mythical revolution that they'd, naturally, be the leader of by virtue of their obvious merit where they can have their personal vendettas settled simply by filling out paperwork: "Kill this guy, imprison this guy, kill this guy…"
But I think the more powerless a person perceives themselves the more they fantasize about even wider and more radical change. A powerless guy gets cut off in traffic and he fantasizes about following the other guy home and scaring the shit out of him. A powerless professor gets ignored by his students and his book doesn't sell, and he starts to dream of prison camps and dictatorial power.
Anonymous 05-12-25 00:47:32 No. 2584074
>>2584052 it's an office worker thing and probably describes most people's experiences doing office work, but it's also the sort of thing that perpetuates the illusion, your boss IS stupid, but it's also a comfy thought, isn't it? it's probably my boss' personal incompetence, toxicity, unfairness or stupidity what makes work suck, or what keeps me from moving vertically in the corporate ladder, or why the corporate structure feels so unfair and then they fantasize "if i could get rid of my boss" or "eventually i will be in my boss' shoes and I will be better" most people in office jobs can't seem to generalize beyond "MY boss sucks", or can't recognize that their boss is there for totally arbitrary reasons, and that probably most bosses would be just as shitty. unless you are somewhat radicalized to begin with, your biggest fantasy is eventually replacing your boss, just bidding for your turn.
>>2584071 it's an arbitrary category and no one knows what PMC describes, really.
Anonymous 05-12-25 00:44:48 No. 2584071
Are engineers PMC? I thought they were just skilled working class…
Anonymous 05-12-25 00:18:46 No. 2584052
>>2583987 > So you’re paid well, you’re given a status above the common worker, but you still feel like for all your brains you’re powerless and ruled by idiots. now this, when I was working as a programmer, I've definitely felt it. Complying with retarded demands you know they're gonna ask you to change again because its stupid, and never having much input on what need to actually get done because despite all the skill, you're still a technician serving the business
but this aint pmc, more like labor aristocracy
Anonymous 05-12-25 00:14:39 No. 2584046
>>2583942 >(university professors, doctors, lawyers, engineers, scientists, artists, those types of people) I will start by saying all these people can be in vastly different position in the system, and even inside some of these professions their status (and ideology) can vary widely. Thats the problem with things like "PMC" and "middle class" concepts, these things are so large and vaguely defined, they're usually not very useful (also engineers are not supposed to be PMC iirc).
revolution and terrorism does not have aristocratic connotations, and your described "PMC" are overwhelmingly against these things and on the contrary vilify revolution and political violence in general. So thats already a loads of bullshit to base a reasoning on.
are they really? pmc tend to be reformist imo, and the big apocalyptic revolution is used both by reactionaries to frighten people and revolutionaries who do intend to do a massive upheaval and change things radically. And of course, romantic liberals who will condemn everyone as reformist while not actually doing the work of building a mass party through incremental concrete struggle and gains while still having a revolutionary outlook and being ready to seize an opportunity rather than stay blocked on voooting
I dont think thats true. The petit bourgeois do have this, because they directly struggle against workers on their real daily material interest and risk falling down to their level, but pmc are not threatened in any way by the workers, they have cultural and intellectual capital they cant really loose and dont directly depend on the workers exploitation. They just tend to sing to the tune of the guy with the coin, which explains why they're usually pushed to be mild reformist.
Post too long. Click here to view the full text. Anonymous 04-12-25 23:30:49 No. 2584008
>>2583988 >Why would socialists make doctors and engineers work as farmhands? They wouldn't. "The PMC" is a large and nebulous grouping under which professionals such as "doctors" (which itself includes but isn't exclusive to medical physicians) theoretically belong, but which also includes all the bachelor-bearing middle managers of corporate America. Basically they
1. Have some kind of institutionally provided credential, like a bachelor's degree
2. They manage people or resources without themselves owning them
3. They perform some kind of intellectually significant but not necessarily materially productive labor
4. Their class position is tied to a greater or lesser degree by the management of symbolic capital, "clout".
So no, unless there was some kind of disaster where manual labor was in dire emergency need, doctors aren't going to be sent to the fields. But there are lots of people posting on blue sky and twitter right now about drumpf or transhumanists or whatever that would definitely be in danger of that.
Anonymous 04-12-25 23:16:42 No. 2583998
>>2583967 You should just read it but
Anonymous 04-12-25 23:07:13 No. 2583991
>>2583942 It's not that they hate rationality, it's that they have high openness to experience. They are in many ways basically just the dispositional opposite of rightoids ( see
>>2546215 ) They are tolerant and they enjoy novelty. Where rationality delivers novelty it's fine, but where it delivers mundanity it's condemned in a romantic sort of way.
This is, incidentally, the correct worldview. The PMC are basically good people. The more proletarianized they become, the better they will become. A proletarian revolution would send them to the fields only in the dreams of LARPers who are themselves usually novelty-seeking PMC-adjacent little freaks who've got ideas above (below?) their station. The revolution will, in fact, need doctors and nurses and teachers and central planners and railway timetable designers and theatre reviewers and all sorts of other people who don't fit with your discount khmer rouge fantasies. And a good thing, too!
Even their anti-rationalism has its merits as a sort of error checking. Inject too high a dose of a rightoid striver's mindset into a could-be PMC-type and you wind up with the rationalist community telling you why we've got to sacrifice all the starving children of the third world to Elon Musk today so that we increase our odds of building gigantic fleets of spaceships where our great great great great… great grandchildren and their pet shrimp can all be kept permanently hooked to an opium drip, because after all the math says that's the utility maximizing option… Anonymous 04-12-25 23:03:24 No. 2583988
>>2583942 >a proletarian revolution would mean they lose their privileges and end up working in the fields .
Why would socialists make doctors and engineers work as farmhands? This sounds like your own description of the PMC:
Also many revolutions did try to destroy all vestiges of the previous regime so I dunno seems kinda accurate although you could say it's something to avoid if you can but good luck telling that to the excited crowds. Even in ancient societies the victors would smash the idols of their enemies.
CPUSAnon !SmhOsIjuAE 04-12-25 23:01:30 No. 2583987
>>2583942 Ehhh I think it’s silly to refer to jazz and rap music in quotation marks—they’re music too, not any lesser cause it ain’t Bach or whatever.
That said if I could put some of my own hypotheses forward, I think part of it is a recognition of their own impotence within the Capitalist system. They’re “ideas guys”, shorn of an actual relationship to violence, they rely on what amounts to patronage from others pretty often or appealing to a narrow scope of acolytes and sycophants. Like think about the relations of someone like Stephen Pinker with power; he has to be a kiss ass to richer men than him who like his ideas that reinforce their class position. Being in the “PMC” means you’ve got status above the masses but you still are a dependent, you still have someone above you.
And here’s the thing: a lot of people above you are fucking stupid. Apparently some of Elon Musk’s programmers had to build a program to mimic complicated code because Elon would sweep into the office and start barking at them to make specific coding changes and most of his demands just caused stuff to break. So you’re paid well, you’re given a status above the common worker, but you still feel like for all your brains you’re powerless and ruled by idiots.
Romanticized violence becomes a frequent fantasy for these types because they feel constrained by the rules of small minds, and because they feel their powerlessness more acutely than someone—say—working in a WalMart and getting idiotic demands from corporate. Service workers have no status, they aren’t told they’re special or heroes or whatever, their jobs aren’t ever considered something they “earned” through merit, they don’t have a degree functioning as some “I’m better than you” slip.
So PMC are told they’re part of the select, but they feel constrained, they can see their merits as clearly superior to those of their bosses, but they recognize their ideas on their own are limp. It’s not a matter of proving them right, or being persuasive, but of being given patronage by someone above you.
So that builds contempt, I think. Envy. They see themselves as above the workers and the bosses but still subject to bosses.
Anonymous 04-12-25 22:47:47 No. 2583978
>>2583942 >Maupin asserts that intellectual elites (PMC) are heavily into salon culture and edgy things that have aristocratic connotations. I don't think so. It really depends on which sections of the PMC you're talking about, but generally speaking, whether they're "liberal" or "conservative" neither one has much more than a pretense towards intellectual pursuits like "salon culture." The pretense gives the credentials they base their careers on the veneer of intellectualism, as something more than just a piece of paper their mommy and daddy bought them, but intellectuslism among the upper classes is all but dead. Developing the intellect means developing conviction, and convictions are career poison.
Yeah, true. They're the plantation overseers of society, and sympathizing with the field slaves is anathema to The Career, which is what the pmc worships.
I think they romanticize things because their class position and world view requires insulation from material reality. The only aristocratic pretenses that they actually believe in is that they're materially rewarded for being "right." For Republican PMCs it's "God's blessing" and for the Democrats it's "being a good fucking person," but the result of both is that they get wealthier and are granted more of the fruits of their even wealthier patrons. That ultimately means they're ever increasingly insulated from the reality of their actions and decisions and the results of all the people they crush to get where they are. For normal, well developed people, coming into contact with the human cost of cutting healthcare or bombing another country is cause for soul searching at the very least. But that's the thing people with convictions do, and the pmc carefully select that kind of thing out.
Post too long. Click here to view the full text. Psychology of the PMC Anonymous 04-12-25 22:14:11 No. 2583942 [Reply]
I’m honestly curious to know what exactly makes the PMC (university professors, doctors, lawyers, engineers, scientists, artists, those types of people) adhere to the belief system they do. Namely, the psychology behind what’s often termed as “petit-bourgeois radicalism.”
I recently read through two of Caleb Maupin’s books (The American Years of Lead and the one on Trotsky and the Neocons). Maupin asserts that intellectual elites (PMC) are heavily into salon culture and edgy things that have aristocratic connotations. For instance, intellectual elites (PMC) are the ones who hold an overly-romantic view of revolution and romanticize terrorism and political violence. They’re the ones that conjure up images of a big apocalyptic revolution similar to the Christian rapture whereby every little aspect of the existing society is destroyed. He also heavily emphasized that the PMC hates the genuine working/class, because they see them as a threat to their power, so they deliberately manipulate working-class movements in order to offset and eventually dissolve them. Plus, they love sexual promiscuity and use “leftism” in order to promote it.
Last night, I watched a video on Sublation Media between Doug Alain and Chris Cutrone. Cutrone made the point that the PMC romanticize terrorism, mass destruction involving killing and raping, and the “noble death” because the PMC are “gangsters.” Not gangsters the way the ultra-rich capitalists are, but gangsters nonetheless.
My understanding is, intellectual elites love these things like violence and terror for the exact same reason they love modern “art” like Jackson Pollock and jazz and rap “music”: it’s all deeply irrational. They reject historical progress, favour the lumpen and those on the margins of society over the genuine proletariat, and promote destruction because they hate rationality. All of the things they promote as “leftism” are actually deeply aristocratic values: it’s the aristocracy that loves violence, sexual indulgence and a rejection of logic and linear time. I see it like this: intellectual elites, being Nietzscheans at heart, hate rationality and linear progress because they see those things as boxes that limit their ability to indulge, but also the fact that they already have their privileged positions and don’t need a proletarian revolution to have their basic needs met. In fact, a proletarian revolution would mean they lose their privileges and end up working in the fields.
Post too long. Click here to view the full text. Anonymous 04-12-25 03:25:15 No. 2583188
>>2583184 The bourgeoisie teaches this vulgar sex market theory to PMC aristocrats. It was in my psychology 101 textbook
Anonymous 03-12-25 18:01:55 No. 2582566
>>2572569 >can i pls stay Social democracy fails because these radlib nerds who "read lots of Marx" are like children who think they can just rationally convince their parents to quit their jobs so they can live in Disneyland 24/7. Capitalists will simply try to accumulate more bourgeois property ownership to extract more rents, get real
>>2580131 >liberate the capitalists of your nation liberalism is historically progressive if you live in a feudal system with monarchy who hoard wealth instead of doing the Marx commodity cycle of re-investing to buy new industrial technology and so on. Social democracy for Lenin was revolutionary, but its a joke for the PMC art and culture critic Marxists in Jeffrey Epstein's home New York City
Anonymous 03-12-25 17:42:18 No. 2582541
>>2582180 >the split was a tragedy (not the actions of anti-proletarian classes who collaborate with finance imperialist bourgeoisie) Zero historical materialism and class consciousness, the CPUSA are radical liberals
>>2582321 >Objectively correct analysis, but it commits the sin of <"to paraphrase Marx" You soyfaced at this tweet because you are also an idealist radlib who completely rejects Marxist historical materialism and class consciousness. At no point in his smug gamerchair boomer scolding about "Marxism is a religious cult" (the Jeffrey Epstein PMC social democrats who write for The Atlantic agree!) has CPUSAnon ever mentioned class war.
>>2582321 >If one of your primary concerns is social democracy at the present moment you’re substituting actual analysis for dogmatic phrase mongering. Actually Existing Social Democrats who have all the counter-cultural hegemony right now:
<"Graham Platner is a committed anti-fascist" Socialists will never escape the accusations that they are agents of finance imperialism lol. There's a reason why the "Abundance" Zionist psyop from housing developers has so little resistance, the social democrat Zohran and the fascist Trump literally agree, they agree on more things than leftists would like to publicly admit
Anonymous 01-12-25 11:14:38 No. 2579933
The PMC are still wage labourers and therefore working class. Many have their interests aligned with the ruling class of course. But this is no different to religious retards who will defend the King at all costs.
Anonymous 30-11-25 10:38:09 No. 2578860
>>2578820 Maintaining discipline is in many senses
easier when you've got access to the carrots and sticks that governing the second most populous country on earth gives you. You cannot reward good behavior in a British party by putting someone in charge of a prefecture of eighty million people. You cannot punish good behavior in a British party by sending the person responsible for some "hotel style treatment". Fundamentally you're taking a gang of weirdoes and putting them in an environment heavy on opportunities for ego trips and weak on opportunities for basically anything else.
There is a massive competency crisis across UK politics. I'm not saying there are no lessons to learn, but if you think the answer is to simply duplicate a structure designed for a party of one-hundred million members and applying it to a party that would be lucky to get 1000 members, you're off your rocker. That would be inappropriate even for what, the 8,000 who survived the Long March. A small scale organization can take only very general advice from a large one.
That's before we even get into the issue of whether there should be a party - I'm of the firm opinion that a party is doomed before basic competence is established via other means. Someone used to emphatically make the point that until the left can run a lemonade stand, nobody should start any parties because they're much, much easier to fuck up.
If you can't sell lemonade, it doesn't matter what line you take or what your party structure is: you have a roleplaying org at best and a cult at worse. If you want to make a CPC roleplay society, that's great, have fun, but just be honest about it. Then nobody can laugh at you for wearing the uniforms and instead of debating whether the spirit of the sewell convention has been maintained, you can put the gang of four on trial every weekend. (Organizing such LARPs would, ironically, be better training than setting up a "real" org.)
p.s. I will maintain to my dying day that Oikophobia is a meme that fails to engage with modern conditions. If I hate Keir Starmer it is because he is utterly foreign, not because he is similar.
p.p.s. The left and center-left already basically appeal to the working class. (it helps that being a counter culture casually wins over young people! purely aesthetic do-nothings are much better than party-founding do nothings!) to make it appear otherwise you have to massively massage the
Post too long. Click here to view the full text. Anonymous 29-11-25 21:42:28 No. 2578069
>>2577896 reminder that he surmised that socialism will likely come about in advance western countries because they had the most advance productive forces and he was writing the communist manifesto with that in mind.
he even says
>These measures will, of course, be different in different countries. this means that the development of the socialist project in a post colonial agrarian countries will not be the same as socialist development in advance western countries. marx's view is not actually rigid as often claim, he mainly gives direction and a method call dialectical materialism. by the end of his life, he even allows for different starting points and uneven development, with his writings in his letters on russia.
when china established a dotp with the founding of the PRC in 1949, it was still agrarian and technologically backwards and far behind the west. its industrial output was tiny and like 1% of its population would even be considered proletariats in the marxist sense. so mao's central goal was to build a strong industrial base that is necessary for socialism in marxist theory as well as modernize society by improving living standards and urbanization.
by the late 1970s, the prc did achieve some basic industrialization and improved the quality of life for its people with a dramatic increase in life expectancy and literacy. however, china still remained overwhelmingly rural with subsistence farming being the norm. there was still limited connectivity between rural areas and industrial centers. most people were living in extreme poverty and they were far behind in living standards to the west as many did not have access to electricity, running water, or modern healthcare.
according to historical materialism, the capitalist phase is considered necessary before socialism. marx even admired capitalism, not morally, but as a historical force in its ability to revolutionize the productive faster than previous modes of production. he also says,
>The bourgeois mode of production is the last antagonistic form of the social process of production but the productive forces developing within bourgeois society create also the material conditions for a solution of this antagonism. so when the khmer rouge claimed it established communism, that would b
Post too long. Click here to view the full text. Anonymous 29-11-25 18:59:00 No. 2577899
Regardless of the fact that under capitalism cops tend to be corrupt, violent, fascist pricks police abolition is complete liberal insanity.
Anonymous 28-11-25 09:46:50 No. 2576422
>>2576418 The other irony is that the elephant in the room IS trauma, but the issue is that many people self-diagnose with C-PTSD because they conflate any impression of subjective trauma whatsoever with C-PTSD, even though C-PTSD has discrete biophysical markers in terms of the effect it has on the permanent alteration of your brain structure. I have been formally diagnosed with C-PTSD and I can attest that the nature of it is crippling enough at times that there's a very stark contrast between the histrionic PMC zoomer types claiming to have it and those who really bear the burden of having it. The upsetting and disappointing thing is that when there's an oversaturation of people making this conflation, those who really suffer from the condition are overlooked or assumed to be just like all the rest, when that couldn't be further from the case. I don't believe that we should put the cart before the horse in individualizing the priority of generational trauma, but I do think that a proper communist politics will, in a downstream sense, naturally sublate away some of the sociopolitical barriers which hamstring the people who are authentically suffering. From each according to his ability, to each according to their need… and potentially, these attributes can change in the context of a less atomized/alienated society which is more focused on resources of empowerment.
Anonymous 28-11-25 00:06:32 No. 2576131
>>2573064 reminder that he surmised that socialism will likely come about in advance western countries because they had the most advance productive forces and he was writing the communist manifesto with that in mind.
he even says
>These measures will, of course, be different in different countries. this means that the development of the socialist project in a post colonial agrarian countries will not be the same as socialist development in advance western countries. marx's view is not actually rigid as often claim, he mainly gives direction and a method call dialectical materialism. by the end of his life, he even allows for different starting points and uneven development, with his writings in his letters on russia.
when china established a dotp with the founding of the PRC in 1949, it was still agrarian and technologically backwards and far behind the west. its industrial output was tiny and like 1% of its population would even be considered proletariats in the marxist sense. so mao's central goal was to build a strong industrial base that is necessary for socialism in marxist theory as well as modernize society by improving living standards and urbanization.
by the late 1970s, the prc did achieve some basic industrialization and improved the quality of life for its people with a dramatic increase in life expectancy and literacy. however, china still remained overwhelmingly rural with subsistence farming being the norm for most people. there was still limited connectivity between rural areas and industrial centers. most people were living in extreme poverty and they were far behind in living standards to the west as many did not have access to electricity, running water, or modern healthcare.
according to historical materialism, the capitalist phase is considered necessary before socialism. marx even admired capitalism, not morally, but as a historical force in its ability to revolutionize the productive faster than previous modes of production. he also says,
>The bourgeois mode of production is the last antagonistic form of the social process of production but the productive forces developing within bourgeois society create also the material conditions for a solution of this antagonism. so when the khmer rouge claimed it established communi
Post too long. Click here to view the full text. Anonymous 27-11-25 13:25:03 No. 2575617
>>2575329 Another PMC down. Very based.
Anonymous 27-11-25 05:38:31 No. 2575468
honestly the more i read about PMC, labor aristo, intelligensia, etc whatever bullshit the more i realize how little is actually said despite how much the western left, in particular the "online" left, is utterly fucking fetish-tier fascinated with this element of analysis.
Anonymous 27-11-25 05:30:04 No. 2575464
>>2575462 i never read 1984 but IIRC there were a few people pointing out that 90% of the insane bullshit in it was PMC types fucking with each other while all the working class schlubs just carried on without really caring about what the party PMC types were doing
Anonymous 27-11-25 05:14:53 No. 2575462
>>2575452 There was an American ex communist named James Burnham in the 1940s who wrote a book called The Managerial Revolution where he predicted that the people who we now call PMCs would lead us out of capitalism, instead of the bourgeoisie or proletariat. Someone on here told me that George Orwell's 1984 wasn't merely an allegory for what Orwell imagined Stalin's USSR to be like, but an attack on James Burnham's ideas as well.
Anonymous 27-11-25 04:47:30 No. 2575452
>The Ehrenreichs defined the PMC as educated professionals who historically did not work in corporate environments, such as doctors, scientists, lawyers, academics, artists, and journalists.[6] In a 2013 follow-up, they estimated that in the 1930s, PMC occupations made up less than 1% of total U.S. employment, but the share had risen to 24% by 1972, and 35% by 2006.[7] In that same essay, they argued that the notion of the PMC as a collective grouping was "in ruins" due to economic shifts in the 1990s and 2000s which changed their professional prospects. Some members (such as highly qualified scientists) "jump[ed] ship for more lucrative posts in direct services to capital"; others (such as lawyers, tenured professors, and doctors) found themselves in increasingly "corporation-like" workplaces; while others still (like those with backgrounds in media or the humanities) "spiral[ed] down to the retail workforce", unable to parlay their skills into higher-income jobs.[7]
Anonymous 24-11-25 16:49:03 No. 2572158
>>2572017 you are citing debunked psuedoscientific bullshit my dude. since the completion of the human genome project, it has been known that humans are 99.99% genetically identical, less diversity than any other animal (including fruit flies), and that any genetic diversity is primarily WITHIN 'racial' categories than between them. YOu are MORE LIKELY to be genetically similar to someone OUTSIDE of your ethnicity than someone of the same ethnicity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_genetics https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8604262/ https://nap.nationalacademies.org/read/26902/chapter/1 https://www.nationalacademies.org/news/researchers-need-to-rethink-and-justify-how-and-why-race-ethnicity-and-ancestry-labels-are-used-in-genetics-and-genomics-research-says-new-report https://www.google.com/books/edition/Is_Science_Racist/auH5DwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=isbn:9780745689210&printsec=frontcover but to a fascist racist like you, any evidence to the contrary of your fucking RPG LARP 'playable races' categories is 'ideological propaganda/cope' so you will ignore this and find some obscure study carried out/funded by nazis or other racists.
Anonymous 23-11-25 20:33:49 No. 2571366
>>2545087 >indigenous >Mexicans https://www.google.com/search?q=deported+for+speaking+mayan Bernie Sanders thinks Trump is right to deport people for daring to speak Mayan in his settler occupied Zionist state
>>2531717 >Third Worldists who refuse to organize for the common interest of all workers of all nationalities, "Palestinians are reactionary" the only thing you're educating people about is that 'Marxism is for spiritually Israeli armchair pseuds'
>regressing to a moralistic position of pity for Third World workers and resentment against First World workers I've never once heard a single Marxist podcast talk to their undocumented slaves who actually have the jobs that depicted in the symbol of communism. Marxists have spent more time talking to worthless labor aristocrats like Contrapoints. Its impossible to explain why!
>>2531041 >US/"Israeli" foreign policy is what created and prolonged the Syrian migrant crisis, Every neoliberal in DSA has gotten behind Graham Platner (controlled by the same PR firm that manages Zohran) because they are all Zionists who are aligned with international finance capitalism.
Post too long. Click here to view the full text. Anonymous 23-11-25 02:45:40 No. 2570762
>>2570650 >the ideology of the universal man. riiiight (jerking off motion)
and what sort of atrocities did this euphoric class of soy German PMC Hegelian idealist redditor armchair pseuds accomplish with their rejection of historical materialism? Believing that you have surpassed history is a pretty good definition of a "fascist" lol
>>2570544 >Science shows I get angry naturally, therefore I can kill people when I'm angry because it's natural. relevant: TikTok video elaboration on another meme video of a guy who says "modern unions are gutted and lost so much power is because they aren't involved in organized crime anymore"
https://www.tiktok.com/@seth.thomas91/video/7574301172413025566 Anonymous 22-11-25 23:35:45 No. 2570616
>>2570593 >Cartel de los Soles The fucking what?
>Cartel of the Suns (Spanish: Cartel de los Soles, Spanish pronunciation: [kaɾˈtel de los ˈsoles]) is a term used to describe state-embedded criminal networks in Venezuela allegedly composed of high-ranking members of the Armed Forces of Venezuela who are involved in the international drug trade. <Leaders >Nicolás Maduro (allegedly) >Diosdado Cabello (allegedly) >Hugo Carvajal (former, allegedly) >Tareck El Aissami (allegedly) <Allies >FARC >ELN >Sinaloa Cartel HUH?
>Former President of Venezuela Nicolás Maduro Moros, Venezuela’s vice president for the economy, Venezuela’s Minister of Defense, and Venezuela’s Chief Supreme Court Justice are among those charged in New York City; Washington, DC; and Miami, along with current and former Venezuelan government officials as well as two Fuerzas Armadas Revolucionarias de Colombia Post too long. Click here to view the full text. Anonymous 22-11-25 18:39:21 No. 2570211
>>2570184 rural is more pro-cpc than the city dwellers according to harvard studies because they're seeing more rapid transformation in recent times.
>The responses from survey participants in rural areas, however, surprised the researchers, particularly over time. “We did not anticipate how quickly both low-income citizens and people from less-developed regions in China closed the satisfaction gap with high-income citizens and people from the coastal areas,” Cunningham added. >The surveys found that rural residents, generally poorer than those in cities, had more optimistic attitudes about inequality than their wealthier urban counterparts. The team’s analysis ties the closing of this satisfaction gap between rich and poor, as well as coastal and hinterland populations, to several policies including local budget spent on healthcare, welfare and education, and paved roads per capita. while, the export-oriented manufactruing model that prevailed in the 90s and 2000s resulted in prosperity in key export urban regions like the Pearl River and Yangtze River deltas, there's been a post-GFC shift to domestic housing and infrastracture which started to spread development more equitably to the interior of the country outside the coast export process regions.
china's regional disparity has been shrinking for the past two decades due to targeted poverty alleviation initiatives.
fujian was the only coastal province among the top 10 fastest growing the past decade but no coastal province was in the top 10 in the past two decades. from 2010 - 2023, rural disposable income/capita 4xed, while urban disposable income/capita roughly 2.5xed. and it's not just income, world bank paper shows how “in-kind” health & education transfers are a major form of socioeconomic redistribution in China as well
another study shows the inequality gap between educational outcomes in rural and ruban areas is shrinking.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10877417/ the inequality gap in health outcomes between rural and urban areas is narrowing as well
https://www.ncb Post too long. Click here to view the full text. Anonymous 22-11-25 06:04:34 No. 2569758
>>2569076 >I am a serious person incessant neoliberal NPC dialog: "DEEPLY unserious"
>>2569079 >declared revolution on live television (my PMC socialist monocle falls into my champagne glass in shock at the idea of proletarian class taking control over the criminal pedophile ruling class)
>>2569150 >he "supports Genocide" (how?) https://kalikoba.substack.com/p/annotating-zohran-mamdanis-zionist <Zohran says we must stop “war crimes” and “these atrocities.” Yet the only thing previously described by those terms was the Hamas attack on 10/7…Never are these terms used to describe what the Zionists have done over the last two years, or in the many years before. By beginning and ending the piece with a repetition of these phrases, the focus is shifted once again to the actions of Hamas, the ultimate villain in Zohran’s version of events. "Please explain how its wrong to say Jews are responsible for their holocaust" - CPUSAnon
Anonymous 21-11-25 04:44:18 No. 2568345
>>2567815 > Sit in your armchair and post about how we're all doomed in between scrolling through tiktok lol Zionists immediately did bourgeois recuperation of TikTok because its the only place where regular working class people have any voice at all!
Marxism is not for TREND of the middle class "speaking on behalf of workers".
Marxism is not for CORPORATE ATTITUDE of "we see and hear the working class".
Marxism is not for STONER Ursula LeGuin new age neoliberals who say "we're all human, bro".
Marxism is for true DOOM-MURDER HEAD proletariat who speaks for themselves, on their own terms, with no parasitic PMC who speak on their behalf by erasing their class war into liberalism
Anonymous 17-11-25 00:58:52 No. 2563398
>>2563387 you're still a wage slave even if you have a gilded cage. if you're gonna go down this line of thinking your goal should be to survive working less than full-time, build networks of mutual aid and start doing communization. becoming part of the PMC is just striver bullshit that isn't even applicable to most people's lives these days since labor aristocracy upwards social mobility is basically a thing of the past.
17-11-25 00:52:43 No. 2563391
>>2563378 >Why wouldn't you try to get into the PMC? calm down big boss
Anonymous 17-11-25 00:42:14 No. 2563378
>>2563367 Why wouldn't you try to get into the PMC? We are never seeing true liberation for labor in our lifetimes. Fuck working hard for people who don't give a single fuck about you.
If that means illegally immigrating to some nation, living off the grid, or whatever it takes to avoid being a wageslave, so be it. Only fools accept the lot they've been given in life. If you're born poor, you have an obligation to escape slavery, even at the risk of death.
In absence of a real worker's revolution that allows the working class to benefit from the immense increase in productivity via technology, depriving the world of your labor is the most revolutionary act you can achieve.
Ratmaxx or suffer a fate worse than death.
Anonymous 16-11-25 16:31:30 No. 2562580
>>2562223 >To paint the American working class as having any single unified sense of "exceptionalism" or patriotism >>2562367 >These people don't see nonUSians as human beings man "How Graham Platner Exposes the American Left" - BadEmp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Zb6fZCqdrQ Graham Platner is not a nazi, he is a Zionist who has never harmed any Jews. He only profited off killing the millions of people who dare to oppose Israel (the World Trade Center is of course a center of NYC's Jeffrey Epstein international Zionism. Socialists think its normal and harmless for globalists to trade guns, drugs, and of course the most valuable of commodity: human beings. Sex work is work, google Bookchin!)
>sense of whiteness "nonwhite ICE agents are anti-racist you mongoloid 🤡"
>>2562524 >Chapo Trap House said "Twitter is real life." <"Graham Platner isn't a nazi because I read his reddit posts about trans people, I don't care about the millions of people who Jeffrey Epstein's settler friends killed" he labor aristocracy isn't real and PMC gamerchairs are working class!
Anonymous 16-11-25 16:30:39 No. 2562579
>a small comprador class "Gusanos are mostly anti-fascist" If you run away and hide from militant revolution as Cubans do, people will assume you are an imperialist collaborator.
>cultures no such thing, you use a German word about plant botany science to talk about humanity because you're a nazi podperson lol
https://historiansplaining.com/myth-of-the-month-22-culture/ >>2562240 >fuck your indigenous nationalism that has nothing to do with socialism <Socialists: "I agree with my fellow Jewish PMC settlers in the Abundance Zionist psyop: we need Elon Musk to save the environment with asteroid mining Star Trek sci-fi. Indigenous degrowth is reactionary and unscientific. Someone would shoot you if you demanded that my international Jewish settler friends be forced to learn the names of their Palestinian slaves in their farms and factories!" Really funny how this class of soy PMC graphic designers who says 'the symbol of communism is outdated, PMC are working class' will immediately reveal themselves to be Zionists who literally fantasize about shooting their child slaves in the head for daring to walk to their Brooklyn border walls and beg for solidarity.
Socialism is nationalist ideology, Bernie said "Trump is right to do ICE raids to deport people who dare to speak Mayan language on settler occupied land". Marx called indigenous folks "nonhistoric people" for very similar reasons as Israel does: they claim their technocratic bourgeois landgrabs "make efficient use of natural resources" that those "unscientific indigenous were failing to utilize". There's a reason why ᴉuᴉlossnW was a syndicalist and Hitler branded himself socialist: the accelerationist ideology of claiming to be building the means of production ASAP like China does. "Zohran will make the trains run on time so wage slaves can get to work faster" Consistent socialist futurist utopianism whether its in Israel or NYC
Anonymous 16-11-25 00:06:08 No. 2561920
>>2551603 lol when I think of Todd McGowan my first thought is "oh, its one of those disgusting PMC radlibs who went on Pod Damn America with that anarchist dumb guy Jake Flores. Worst podcast I've ever subscribed to!"
Anonymous 11-11-25 19:35:43 No. 2557255
>finally came to the realization of what dialectics actually meant <left his segregated imperialist apartment to engage in dialectics (i.e talking) with his slaves. <The class of "anti-woke" Marxist PMC pseudo-intellectuals have never, ever left, they aren't leftists. They will never talk to their slaves on their podcasts and youtube shows. Just incessant settler condescension and scolding about art and culture and philosophy from degenerate Contrapoints fans
Anonymous 11-11-25 18:56:13 No. 2557200
>hellspawn <negative impact on reputation liberal ideology Democrats always whine about "messaging" in their realpolitik public relations as the biggest problem facing the working class. "Stalin is a demonic satanist! His art zines are so uncouth!" lmao 😂
>>2557174 >repeating the same mistakes euphoric anti-Stalinist nazi settlers:
>"I'm a post-historical subject, my nu-bourgeois revolution is epic and based, I am beyond history, I'm modern and not like those ignorant people in the past" euphoric anti-Stalinist DSA settlers:
>(same soy redditor PMC ideology from the Elon Musk sci-fi fanclub who uses AI to manage their slaves exactly as IBM did during the holocaust, but now its a Jewish settler surveillance state of transgender drone programmers who insist they are anti-fascist) sage neoliberal threads Anonymous 11-11-25 18:32:40 No. 2557181
>banks basically cause capitalism >BOOKCHIN: Murray and I have a bit of a history together, and I think there've been some grave misunderstandings, perhaps on both our parts. I would rather see them resolved than develop into heated controversy—despite, I think, a not very generous letter that appeared over his signature and Mr. Williamson Evers's signature in Liberty, the Massachusetts Libertarian Party publication. That letter grossly misrepresented my position on Marxism as being a "necessary ideology." That's archaic, to say the least. I regard Marxism as the most sinister and the most subtle form of totalitarianism. There are people, of course, who profess to be libertarian Marxists. I believe they mean very well, and I even write in their periodicals; but I write very militantly that I regard Marxism as a very subtle form of what I would call the totalitarian ideology—all the more subtle because it professes to advance the notions of freedom.
Anonymous 08-11-25 08:31:31 No. 2553605
>Paul Thomas Anderson is less revolutionary than Paul WS Anderson who has made countless Resident Evil movies about the evil of mega-corporations like Amazon that are destroying the world. His hot wife Milla Jovovich doing karate kicks to fight mutant dogs is true world-historic proletarian culture (Infrared Haz) "facts"
>>2539943 >Pynchon's book Vineland is way harsher in his critique of the New Left >>2544451 >The thesis of this thread [is that western left are decadent for some unexplained reason] Marxism 101: our material conditions determine consciousness.
The post-WWII imperialist privilege of these "labor aristocrat" baby boomer workers turned them into complacent liberals who were the vanguard of the neoliberal counter-revolution cheering individualism rather than collective struggle:
https://gnosticpulp.substack.com/p/we-are-pynchons-fail-sons-and-thot <While there were real revolutionary actions occurring in the sixties, such as the anti-Vietnam War effort and the black liberation movement, a fictional contingent of which (Black Afro-American Division (or BAAD)) visits the hippie counter culture who is occupying a campus where they have formed a sort of temporary autonomous zone known as The People’s Republic of Rock and Roll. PR3, in its search for allies, reaches out to BAAD who sends a small party to the seaside campus. BAAD’s arrival cuts a stark difference between themselves and the hippie students. Their discipline and commitment to the movement is immediately evident, for they arrive wearing matching uniforms of “Shiny black Vietnam boots, black-on-black camo fatigues, and velvet-black berets with off-black wide-point stars on them” (230). <BAAD enters into a long debate with the students, who they brush off as “children of the surfing class” (230), that is to say, unserious. The New Deal, one suspects, was quite purposefully not for everyone. It successfully played on race divisions, a favorite move by the good ol’ US of A, by elevati Post too long. Click here to view the full text. Anonymous 08-11-25 06:23:10 No. 2553551
>>2553536 the christian nationalists spook me. I don't have a handle on them because in my country christianity died in the arse when it became clear multiple churches were systematically diddling kids. there's definitely a transplanted strain of american evangelicalism diddling kids in the sticks and diddling our right wing party (into unelectability).
around here there's nothing like the megachurch grift empire or the unholy alliance of PMC blackwater and the 7 kingdoms movement.
Anonymous 08-11-25 03:53:55 No. 2553463
>>2553125 >The goal is not to have any economic immigrants because 3rd world has jobs and prosperity like rest of the world. there will always be PMCs who want to migrate to make $$$ on wall street
Anonymous 08-11-25 01:34:54 No. 2553368
>>2553358 I believe this faith in the PMC is misguided rightist deviation that deserves closer scrutinization. They say the lawyer enforces guidelines upon the corporations, but the lawyer enforces nothing upon any capitalist. The State does. This veiled support of the bourgeoisie's machinery is antithetic to Communism.
Anonymous 07-11-25 06:51:53 No. 2552579
>>2552573 <americans already live in post-scarcity. over 75% of them are overweight. Such is why they are not rioting right now Your claim is not based on evidence. High-calorie, low-nutrient food is cheap and readily available, while healthy food and opportunities for physical activity are often more expensive or inaccessible, leading to this paradox that you falsely ascribe to "treatlerite" contentment.
>Post-scarcity is a theoretical economic situation in which most goods can be produced in great abundance with minimal human labor, so that they become available to all very cheaply or even freely. >47.4 million people lived in food-insecure households. https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/food-nutrition-assistance/food-security-in-the-us/key-statistics-graphics >Most Americans don't earn enough to afford basic costs of living … For the bottom 60% of U.S. households, a "minimal quality of life" is out of reach https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cost-of-living-income-quality-of-life/ >"In contrast to international trends, people in America who live in the most poverty-dense counties are those most prone to obesity (Fig. 1A). Counties with poverty rates of greater than 35% have obesity rates 145% greater than wealthy counties." https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3198075/ >The rise in obesity rates, both nationally and internationally, is a result of changes in the environment that have simultaneously lowered the cost of food production, lowered the time and monetary cost of food consumption, increased the real cost of being physically active at work and at home, and decreased the health consequences that result from obesity by bringing a host of new drugs and devices to the market to better manage the adverse health effects that obesity promotes. Post too long. Click here to view the full text. Anonymous 06-11-25 16:12:12 No. 2551669
>>2551662 >a bunch of trust fund kiddies, overqualified university graduates, and pmc radlibs
Anonymous 05-11-25 23:40:53 No. 2551054
>>2550992 Yeah the PMC is the proletariatian vanguard.
Anonymous 05-11-25 18:17:24 No. 2550472
>>2550467 Lol perhaps that was true 50 years ago but nowadays the socialist kibbutz Jews are all PMC Zionists.
Anonymous 05-11-25 18:15:18 No. 2550467
>>2550345 >doesn't know about the factories, farms, etc… in new york what's the difference between the woke Marxist Jewish settlers in Israel and their counterparts in Brooklyn?
The Jews on Doomscroll podcast scoff at the thought of ever visiting a farm or factory! These PMC art and culture hipsters would never deign themselves to ever do any "democratic socialist Kibbutz" praxis like Israeli Marxists
King Lear 29-10-25 02:42:32 No. 2540912
>>2540545 I understand where your sentiment is coming from due to the horrific barbarity of the Zionist Genocide of Gaza, but if we step back and take a long view of History from a Dialectical Materialist perspective, you realize that the reason the Zionist Genocide of Gaza feels so unique is primarily because it has been so much more fully documented by Primary Sources then past Genocides that were of equal or often much greater Scale and Barbarity, due to the existence of the Internet, Social Media, and 24/7 Cable News, as prominent examples of past Genocides carried out by various Settler-Colonial and Fascist States since the rise of European Colonialism include the Holocaust, the 1943 Bengal Famine, the Congo Genocide, the Irish Potato Famine, the Transatlantic Slave Trade, and the Native American Genocide, just to name a few, and if you apply your logic to its obvious conclusion, you would support the collective punishment of most European Nations/Ethnic groups (not just Western Europeans like the English, French, Dutch, Germans, Italians, Spanish, Portuguese, etc, but the Russians as well, due to the Russian Settler-Colonization/Genocide of Siberia and parts of Central Asia) and all European Diaspora populations such as Anglo-Americans, Anglo-Canadians, Québécois, Anglo-Australians, White Hispanics, etc. due to the past Genocidal Settler-Colonialism carried out by members of those Ethnic groups/Nations, as it is extremely hypocritical, and dare I say “Anti-Semitic”, to apply this strict standard to Jews and not to all of these White European populations, and it is definitely worth noting that as much as many don’t want to admit it, even before 1492, Genocide was unfortunately the norm throughout History, both of the Violent (Slaughtering entire Ethnic Groups/Nations) and Cultural (Assimilating and Mixing entire Ethnic groups/Nations out of existence) variety, as seen in the Video of the Changing Ethnic Map of Europe over the past 2000 years I posted, which shows dozens of Nations/Ethnic groups in Europe, divided into several large Ethno-Linguistic groups, most notably the Germanic peoples, Slavic Peoples, Romance Peoples, etc. all of which have been Migrating/Invading, Mixing, Assimilating, and Genociding each other over the past 2000 years, with many Historical Invasions/Conquests/Migrations which archeologists previously thought were cases of elit
Post too long. Click here to view the full text. Glownonymous 28-10-25 15:04:00 No. 2540056
>>2539660 >It became more of a thing in the early 2000s when Obama used grassroots orgs to get elected. Ok so it's normal to do unpaid work for ultraliberal rich politicians, got it. Bizarre, to do charity for the rich and powerful.
I was quite surprised when Zohran's campaign expenses, at least some part of it I bet, like everywhere else there is a big wall of bureucracy obscuring much of the money flows. But I digress, the man apparently hit the cap of money he could spend on campaign, and had to ask people to stop donating at around $14m. (
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/05/nyregion/mamdani-donations-mayor-money.html )
And I'm looking at this stuff and man. Zohran has 14 million to spend. He can pay millions upon millions to PMC consultants and media companies
https://www.nyccfb.info/ftmsearch/Candidates/Expenditures?ec=2025&rt=can&cand=2899&stmt=&trans=F But can't spare a single say, $600k~ payment to give every one of the 60k volunteers a thousand bucks for their efforts.
Ah but I know, He can't do that because of the tight regulations and bureaucracy with making all those people employees and whatnot. They understand, they are just doing it for the love of the game, I'm sure. And that only makes it weirder.
Anonymous 28-10-25 10:05:28 No. 2539787
>>2539429 >which barely concerns an average EU prole You are right, it does. And consumer protection barely concerns average prole, and freedom of movement barely concerns average prole, and regional investments barely concern average prole, but when you add them up you will find out EU actually concerns great deal of people.
I cant properly respond to your points because there is nothing of substance to respond to, all you do is scream "bourgeoisee", "PMC", "liberal", as if that was a replacement for analysis or an argument. I could bring up working people from poorer EU countries benefiting from free movement, and you are just going to call them all PMC bourgeois threatlerites, I am sorry, I cant construct an counterargument to your personal affect.
Anonymous 27-10-25 23:38:41 No. 2539429
>>2539367 >You just have some emotionally motivated dislike of EU My dislike for the EU is political in nature because the EU is not a person but a political entitiy and that dislike is from a working class perspective. I gave you a number of clear examples why the EU is shit in particular for working class people but for some reason you got triggered by mentioning Erasmus which barely concerns an average EU prole but is loved by middle class youth and smug liberals in particular because they like to be smug about their education and how much they know about the world. Erasmus is for kids with higher education which means upper middle class because 75% of PMC offspring receives higher education. These kids don't need stipendia, because their parents are top earners. Meanwhile only 25% of kids with working class background make it into higher education. So i reckon you're a deluded middle class burger liberal who knows nothing about the EU's actual nature or you're a dishonest liberal EU shill. Either way, i'm glad i made you upset.
Anonymous 27-10-25 20:57:20 No. 2539252
>>2539146 >Everybody has private market economy. None of its current members were anything other than private market economies before joining, and none of them currently show any desire to be anything but. Except every single post-communist country which were given explicit demands by European advisors that they should fully open their markets to the West and sell off all of their state-owned industry if they ever want to join the EU. Their economies were purposefully hollowed under a carefully executed plan that was explicitly neoliberal.
What's so good about brain drain in poorer Eastern European countries and increased competition among workers in richer Western European countries? Or about the middle strata of Southern European countries being turned into open-air museums with sky-high unemployment and ordinary people getting priced out of major cities? Does anyone like these aspects of open borders?
The reason why they are there in agriculture is because farmers are constantly in revolt. It wouldn't be otherwise without the EU, especially when it has already done a lot to make agriculture more export-driven and severely reduce the food sovereignty of European countries. In the car industry they are mostly about how to annoy the people sitting in the car the most effectively. They are a protectionist measure which is fine by me against non-EU countries but it also makes cars stupidly expensive. I have to admit the tech industry regulations are cool, but it's also not a flex because the only reason the EU is doing objectively good things like making USB-C mandatory is because it has no tech companies to speak of and in practice that means that US companies control the minds of Europeans and any EU country can be literally turned off at a push of a button. But I don't think there is a single person that is glad about those stupid plastic bottle caps, other than the (most likely German) companies which were given the chance to developed otherwise unnecessary machinery specifically for crushing plastic bottles.
What do you mean exactly? The mandatory propaganda classes in high school ab
Post too long. Click here to view the full text. Anonymous 27-10-25 19:34:00 No. 2539155
>>2538938 Workers absolutely support right-wing parties
That doesn't mean petit-bourgeois can't right-wing too, but that depends on what we mean by petit-bourgeois. Actual small property owners that produce real goods, farmers in particular, are usually right-wing nationalists. This is what Marx meant in his time by petit-bourgeois and it is still correct in the economic sense, but context matters. The way capitalism developed in the late 19th and early 20th century, the uppers strata of the working class, professionals and the trade union bureacracy became just as subservient to capital as the petit-bourgeois. After neoliberalism, material production of things became less and less useful to capital and the source of profits shifted to monopoly rents. This made the industrial and agricultural petit-bourgeois an opponent of finance capital. Meanwhile the lower strata of the working class became lumpenized and its upper strata in large part shifted from managing industry to managing rentier capitalism. So in the political sense the real reactionary middle class is the professional-managerial class, and not the commodity-producing small property owners. It only makes it clearer that certain types PMCs refuse to be legally classified as workers because with their high income it's more beneficial for them to give up the legal protections that people classified as "employed" enjoy just so they can avoid paying mandatory social security contributions. These are the people who vote for mainstream liberal/green/"soc"dem/conservative parties. They are the ones with a stake in the system. Not the farmers getting raped by Monsanto.
Anonymous 24-10-25 04:49:32 No. 2534495
>>2532869 >Steaks for everyone, for every meal under communism >>2532971 >Finally. A spark of consciousness in this swamp of sentimentalism Abundance is, of course, Zionist ideology from the class of euphoric PMC Elon Musk technocrats. Neoliberals explicitly condemn degrowth using the exact same language as their fellow PMC Marxist counterparts in the ACP who also talk like smug anime villains as they scold they slaves. Why?
Because they are all the class of settler cannibals who define their entire personality around the murder of indigenous humans ("nonhistoric people" as Marx and Engels said regarding their historical materialism program that neatly aligns with what German industrialists said during the holocaust). Socialists whole thing is "we need fully automated luxury space communism, in my utopia, I will be the Contrapoints art critic in the Star Trek spaceship along with Elon Musk". Marxists seethe at the thought of being forced to learn the names of their Palestinian slaves and to work alongside them to do the same jobs they do. Nothing could make the Ben Burgis class of PMC settler socialist Jews more angry than their slaves ignoring their incessant scolding from them and their fellow Big Industry psyop friend Charlie Kirk
Anonymous 20-10-25 20:00:25 No. 2528710
>>2528706 Dems don’t pander to Christians. They pander to “logical” and “rational” educated elites (PMC). The people who think they’re too smart for religious faith.
Anonymous 20-10-25 03:21:25 No. 2527866
Liberals are always condescending, like they feel a constant urge to put the "bad people" (in this case, MAGAts) in their place. Makes sense that so many Democrat Party voters happen to be PMC.
sage Anonymous 26-09-25 15:33:51 No. 2496863
yet another labor aristocrat armchair debate for soy PMC radlibs who have never gotten any dirt under their fingernails like their slaves
>>2493012 >nikola tesla actually did some actual science on the side of his alchemy People continually express the hauntology of Telsa's alternative history that never existed, but no one ever imagines an alternative Lysenko future. No one ever asks "wot if a red potato was yellow"
>>2495200 >the assertion that bourgeois science is neutral and free of ideology USSR secret police kidnapping? (scoffs) the CIA gives funding to avant garde artists, that's a much worse atrocity actually
goalpost shifting:
>>2496440 >all he ever really said was that organisms inherent acquired characteristics the most revolutionary scientist is suddenly just a smol bean uwu
>>2496558 Post too long. Click here to view the full text. Anonymous 22-09-25 19:24:55 No. 2491487
>>2367946 "Lenin is condemned by modern Trotskyist PMC history 😏"…"🫨 wait no, you have to ignore the satanic New World Order of pedophile globalists who force children to spend hundreds of dollars to buy those history textbooks from the Zionist agent Robert Maxwell. We need to talk about pre-1992 history actually, REEEEEEEEEE!!!!"
Anonymous 20-09-25 19:01:25 No. 2488853
>China turns shitholes into functioning cities Dengists are just the soy PMC wing of fascism
>>2488125 >you MUST be 100% pro-China or else you're CIA African children have access to clean drinking water: but at what cost?
Anonymous 24-08-25 11:25:43 No. 2445185
>>2445177 There's a difference between a German financier or industrialist backing Hitler because they believe it to be financially lucrative and see unions and communists as a threat, and an incel member of the Freikorps or the SA who simply wants to beat Jews to death and violently rape a woman.
I recommend 'Male Fantasies' by Klaus Theweleit for a more in depth look and how it aligns with what I wrote.
No, it explains why the motivations of bougie NrX reactionaries are different from a white suburban chuds ranting about black people on xitter.
You cannot win these people over with reformism. They do not care about socialism no matter whether they're PMCs, proles or, lumpen. They're sexually frustrated, insecure, and want to watch other people suffer, or at least ensure they won't act as their bosses or remind them of the sex they're not having. Their concerns are libidinal and sexually pathological, not economic.
The NEETs who only care about their tendies, anime and video games aren't going to be voting for anyone anyway. Except maybe whoever they think will continue to allow them to live like that.
Anonymous 04-08-25 23:45:08 No. 2417329
>>2416872 Thanks for the reply. I didn't mean to imply that
I think religion is impossible to reconcile with communism. I've been thinking about the role of religion in society a lot lately, ever since my brother started getting really into his Christian faith, while at the same time retaining his left SocDem politics. As in he is still opposed to communism in high principle, but if I lay out my idea of a program to transition to communism (radically democratize the state, nationalize the monopolies while allowing small businesses to operate with incentives towards becoming co-operatives, etc.) he agrees with it. In fact I think his study of Jesus's teachings as described in the New Testament has even pushed him to the left. It's also pushed him to the right on "sexual politics" however - he's anti-abortion now, and while he's not anti-gay, I get the impression that he interprets the holy texts to mean that non-reproductive sex is sin but congenitally infertile people get a pass.
What I'm trying to say here is that I think religion, or at least Christianity, is compatible with socialism in practice. I'm an atheist, but when it comes to left-wing Christians I think I'd feel downright uncomfortable trying to persuade them to give up on religion.
Your point about people taking up communism as some kind of penance for their sins of benefiting from imperialism / racism / being a PMC Starbucks barista instead of shoveling coal etc. etc. is well said. I had an amusing discussion with one of those kinds of people - he was ashamed of owning a Macbook before his communist "conversion" but recoiled at the thought of paying $300 a year in party dues. I was paying more than that not only in dollars but also as a percentage of my income. I guess you can compare my example to Christians who obsess over their sins of watching porn etc. but refuse to get their wallets out to help the poor.
Anonymous 29-07-25 17:04:39 No. 2407908
>>2398307 >>the left >look inside it’s far right neoliberals every American settler socialist movement over the last 15 years: "Google Bookchin, we must SMASH THE AUTHORITARIAN STATE for its racist regulations of consumer freedom for individuals"
People after googling Bookchin: "so wait, anarchists have 'no quarrel' with neoliberals who support selling children in the free market?"
lol PMC socialist literally dream of having woke versions of Jeffrey Epstein pagan temple islands, where sex workers are "liberated" from Stalinist oppression to cross borders to be servants of the class of redditors. Really makes you think about what Ukraine's "revolution of dignity" in 2014 was really about!
Anonymous 16-03-25 16:14:13 No. 2190176
>>2190167 That's not an unfounded belief since middle class PMCs/intelligentsia have played prominent roles in other colour revolutions. In Eastern Europe these types tend to be Western facing and culturally/politically liberal, connected to international finance capital as middle managers, etc. However things do seem different here given the specificity of the demands which boil down to a transparent investigation of the train station collapse, amnesty for protestors/prosecution of police abuse, and an increase in education funding. I think students are in general relatively susceptible to being deployed as part of a colour revolution, but that doesn't mean it's always the case and there isn't much to indicate that it's happening here.