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Btw, this is the offending tweet: https://xcancel.com/ZeynabDay/status/2081396221504008571

I’ve seen liberals, be it those that support Palestine or Israel, come to unison when it comes to giving phull sapport to the Ukraine. Why? What gives?

Now, I don’t think it’s a coincidence that for the US government Georgia 2008 wasn’t the breaking line for the American empire, so much as the Ukraine 2014, simply because the Ukraine has far more resources in terms of arable land, industrial capacity, and minerals.

But what’s the excuse for the shitlib? Because those seem like ad hoc reasoning to justify a preconceived reason more than anything. Ofc the average shitlib is propagandized into supporting the Globalist American Empire (GAE) and whatever diktats it makes. Still, I think it’s worth asking how convenient it is that they’re so passionate about a country that is coincidentally one rich of resources (or illusion thereof, as some sceptics might say).

Indeed, shitlibs like Corey believe in the infinite goodness of the American empire, and so they’ll be the most conservative defenders of the status quo even if they won’t define themselves as such, with their sole issue with Trump being based on aesthetics more than anything else. Reminds you of anything?

Now, as Marx denotes, ideology and idealism often serve to mask what are in practice class struggles and other material realities. In this case, “western democracy capitalism” to a lib may sound like a just coherent idea, but in reality it’s little more than idealistic smokescreen for an imperialist war waged by the NATO imperialistic war machine against Russia, with obvious involvement from the cross-continental military cabal and arms industries. Whether you see it as a conflict between a proletarian and bourgeois powers, or intra-porkie bourgeois infighting at the expense of the global prole, it’s for you to decide. Nonetheless, much of the western propaganda about the Ukraine is clearly ideological crap.

For Eurocrats, there’s the fact that the war serves both to offset an European recession, and as a rallying cry for EU unity at a time when Europe is more disunited than ever. Not even anti-immigration serves as a proper glue as immigration is largely irrelevant to eastern Euros what with already having net low migration (both in and out of country) coupled with ethnic blood feuds, whereas Western Europe is slowly becoming united by a negative. But what does unite a Polish tradcath homophobe, and a French pro-gay atheist busherite? Hatred for Russia signalled as support for the Ukraine. Not to mention, throwing cash at the Ukraine serves to put off the looming economic decline: https://www.amerikanets.com/p/why-is-europe-all-in-on-ukraine

As for America, residual anti-communism metastasised into Russophobia, and economic incentives for the military industrial complex in the form of weapons sales combined with the war providing testing grounds for drone warfare and the fact that both Ukraine and Israel serve as nodes from which the GAE can destabilise its competitors is well-known.

Still, what do you think are the main reasons why shitlibs to this day (both woketards and busherites) are obsessed with Ukraine?

>>2878031
Its just lib TDS, Putin = Trump and supporting Ukraine is against Trump or something

>>2878031
Like, what bugs me is that at least Europoids do have some merit in being Russophobic as the least they should want is being economically dependent on Russia.

But Americans literally have no reason to actually support Ukraine unless the aim is to maintain the current status quo of global structural wealth inequality premised with a neoliberal globalist empire.

So it’s weird to see DSA shills and busherites coming to an agreement as far as the Ukraine is concerned.

>>2878034
That, or they see Trump as being insufficiently pro-Ukraine when many of Ukraine’s boldest attacks (e.g., the latest strikes against the Russian Wildberries warehouses) were only possible because of Trump lifting the embargo on long-range missiles.

Much like the GOP’s opposition to funding Ukraine, I think with the libs it’s all the same sort of personality battles where they would be ah-OK with even the genocide of Palestine if it was done under the watch of some Obama-like swamp creature as opposed to Drumpf.

Honestly, I’m so sick and tired of having to hear about Ukraine, especially when it comes from the same Hasbara trolls and shitlibs (often Israeli Jews, literally) who will pretend that most US politicians aren’t cheap whores for Israel only to turn around and lecture you on the need to fund the Ukraine because reasons, whilst opposing Trump even doe their reasons for doing so are aesthetic.

Now that Trump has inherited the Ukraine war once again, we’ll have to wait and see whether MAGA country will buy into the latest pro-Ukraine slop produced by their beloved mockingbird media influencers like Tim Pool and Laura Loomer. On the one hand, there’s residual anti-communism + outrage from Jews and shabbos goyim over Russia handing out geosatellite info to Iran in the current war. On the other hand, the average American chud is sick and tired of having aid being sent to foreign countries of which the Ukraine is no exception. So hard to say ngl.

>>2878031
>Still, what do you think are the main reasons why shitlibs to this day (both woketards and busherites) are obsessed with Ukraine?
It's like everything else within capitalist politics, like how people react to events occurring within capitalism but in contradictory ways that are both contained or restricted within it while existing in a field of tension. So this guy (I'm assuming) takes the "progressive" position and identifies this big U.S. global order as a positive thing and becomes a kind of accelerationist for something which capitalism does. It's like the "progressive wing of capital."

Then on the other end you have the "conservative" response which doesn't like what capitalism has done (destroying the family or religion or the nation-state or "sovereignty") which can be real, but is backwards-looking and usually mythic or spooky in some kind of way, and what they want to do is try to reverse history (including through through warfare) which is probably futile. In any event you get capitalism / globohomo / whatever formulation as either "good" or "bad," or one representing "progress" and which holds that the reactionaries are "irrational," and then the reactionaries are hostile to "progress" but are still operating within the underlying categories. Like we'll have sovereign Russian capitalism instead where you can buy trad Labubus from Wildberries instead of Amazon. Both are being generated out the same social process though. That process (what we call "history") is also something which is continually transforming and evolving in unexpected ways.

i am too lazy to set it out, but a sympathetic reasoning i see runs as follows: the democrats are the anti-russia faction of the US elite, the republicans are the anti-china faction. (they have various other traits too, but on FP that's the split.)
russia is just a big united kingdom, a has-been power trying to get by on old glory, the war in ukraine one big buyer's remorse over their decision to sink the USSR, while china is a serious candidate for the next superpower and its territorial ambitions primarily concern territory that the world (at least officially) regards as chinese.

in a world that operates anything like this, it is obvious that a US-Russia rivalry is greatly preferable to a US-China one. US energy should be focused as much as possible on Russia so as to tie it down and not meddle with China.

>>2878031
In America, Communism is seen as anti-American, even though it is not.

In America, Russia is seen as Communist, even though it is not.

In America, conservatives call libs commies.

In America, Trump is seen as Putin's best friend even though he is not.

In America, libs take the bait and try to prove how not commie they are by larping as cold war conservatives.

Therefore, libs want to prove they are not commie by hating Russians and arming Ukraine.

>>2878031
>Imperialist war waged by the NATO imperialistic war machine against Russia
Ziggers genuinely believe this lmao
Russia started this war out of its own volition failed and now seethes at nato for not allowing it to conquer ukraine.

>>2878141
Russia had been desperately trying in vain since 2014 to stop the Ukrainian aggression peacefully.


Hohols are experts at staging victimhood. Libs see for example a weapon storage facility get bombed, hear ukros say it was an orphanage/school/etc, and believe it.

>>2878031
LOL love how the shitlib in that exchange pic only confirms what everyone knew: The Ukraine-Stan libs are incapable of providing any material reason as to why the American should give up his self-interest in favor of some shithole. “Minerals”? Can already be obtained in Africa and Australia.

The AI boom? Bitch talks like a Silicon Valley shill

Energy transition? Yh, seems like he is grasping at straws considering how that’s far less coherent and less emphasised compared to his ideological reasons, which is “muh freedom and democracy”, which he says it like a theologian. Because ultimately what a lot of this libs are unwilling (or genuinely incapable of admitting) is that they want Americans to sacrifice their self-interest in favor of maintaining an empire that most Americans don’t benefit from, ostensibly for ideological and abstract reasons that won’t help their material needs at all.

Or, to put it bluntly, the maintenance of the American empire requires sacrificing the self-interests of the American working class on the altar of global capital

>>2878141
All of our problems with the EU started after Putin refused to ratify the Energy Charter. That charter envisioned a system similar to the 2016 Naftogaz model, where production, transportation, storage, and distribution are four separate entities (in technical terms – unbundling), and access to the main gas transit system would be granted to Turkmen, Azerbaijani, Kazakh, and even Polish gas from Świnoujście. The idea was that these players, to curry favor with the European authorities, would lower prices, allowing Europeans to buy cheap gas and oil at $30–50 a barrel, just like in the glory days of the 1990s when the West reveled in its unipolar dominance.

Once ratification was rejected, and Gazprom began systematically expanding its presence by acquiring capacity and distribution networks in the EU, with oil consolidated under Rosneft, Khodorkovsky whisking away his assets, and Nevzlin hiding in Israel, the EU launched its first gas war. The narrative was that the Russians had become unreliable and were abusing their monopoly position. This laid the groundwork for: a) moving away from the old transit scheme that allowed unlimited transit through Ukrainian gas infrastructure to the EU; b) the foundation for the Third Energy Package; and c) the theoretical justification for the Gas Directive, which imposed a 50/50 ownership and pumping split on pipelines and tried to force suppliers into price competition through discriminatory access to Russian gas transit infrastructure.

Then came the second gas war, the arbitrary cancellation of South Stream, the difficult but ultimately successful launch of Nord Stream 1 (based on Soviet-era surveys), the OPAL regulation, Gazprom's acquisition of distribution networks, storage facilities, gas stations, and refineries in Bulgaria and Serbia – and a lot more. But the EU had already declared that it wanted gas cheaper, ideally for free.

After that came arbitrary lawsuits, Stockholm arbitrations, retroactive gas directives, antitrust actions in Poland, bans and obstacles to Nord Stream 2, and attempts to derail TurkStream. When it became clear that the transit system was pumping, TurkStream was pumping, Nord Stream 1 was pumping, and Nord Stream 2 was nearly finished, they dropped the first tactical nuclear bomb: the Stockholm arbitration ruling that invalidated the contract price.

Gazprom swallowed that and managed to substitute volumes, after which the EU introduced the Gas Directive, effectively burying the system of long-term oil-indexed contracts in favor of exchange-based pricing. The result was disastrous – record high gas prices during the peak of COVID, and the only time gas dropped to $37 per thousand cubic meters for two months, which made Ursula von der Leyen practically swoon with delight.

Then it turned out that all of that was in vain, and prices shot back up uncontrollably. It was exactly then, two years before the special military operation, on a stream featuring Russian and Ukrainian energy experts – Martsinkevich, Zemlyansky, and Marunich – that they discussed what Europe would do with its gas supply if the system were disrupted. A tipsy Martsinkevich (known as Netesak) said that in the past, such conflicts were resolved by war. The stream fell into dead silence…

You could hear the proverbial sphincters clenching, lighters flickering, the hum of gas flowing through 700–1153 mm pipelines, and palpable fear. But the fear subsided, and everyone let it slide to avoid escalating tensions, until the EU rolled out billions in antitrust claims against Gazprom and filed $300 billion in WTO claims against Russia over government procurement market protections. Then came the special military operation, into which the EU eagerly plunged, dreaming of free oil at $17 a barrel and gas at $23 per thousand cubic meters – all while Khodorkovsky would be great again, decolonization would happen, Russia would collapse, Ursula would rejoice, Kaja Kallas would tear Bismarck a new one, Josep Borrell would be on Epstein's island and nobody could catch him, Trump would be sitting around, everyone would be sitting around, global domination by the Global South would be established, and China would withdraw from the market.

So what's the point of all this? The Ukrainians simply turned out to be the only fools ready to die for the realization of the Euro-American ambitions outlined above. The details don't matter. For a smile from their Western benefactors, Ukrainians die – and they're okay with that.

In a nutshell – there were many corrupt schemes that enriched elites on both sides at the expense of the Russian budget. Until 2005, Ukrainians received gas at 50% of the European price (3–4 times cheaper). They lived lavishly on that; their entire metallurgical industry and energy sector ran on cheap gas, which in turn made their steel and electricity exports to Europe cheaper. But Ukrainians also wanted permission to RE-EXPORT Russian gas bought at $50 to Europe (where it sold for $200+). Gazprom was appalled and clashed with Ukraine for the first time in the winter of 2004–2005.

Ukrainians were offered a new contract at 230% of the old price, they refused to sign, and gas was cut off on New Year's Eve. But after a couple of weeks, they managed to negotiate a very murky and corrupt deal at $95.

The next time, in 2008, after more corrupt maneuvering involving Tymoshenko, they pushed through a market-based price. This was a win for Gazprom, but Ukrainian industry immediately struggled and began to decline. Ukrainian gas consumption fell by 5,000 billion cubic meters.

Finally, under Yanukovych, they secured a 50% discount off the market price in exchange for extending the lease on Sevastopol. After that, metallurgy began to revive slightly. Then came 2014, Crimea, and the Ukrainians officially refused Russian gas (though in reality they still took it from the pipeline, they just bought it from Europe – but Europe was buying it from Russia, so the physical gas never actually entered Ukraine from Europe). And in 2024, physical transit ceased when fighting started near Sudzha.

To add to what's been written, I'll elaborate on some things. All of our problems with the EU really started on a global scale when Putin began to rein in the so-called "seven bankers" who had been supplying almost free oil and gas while the Western beneficiaries profited from production-sharing agreements. And when Russia refused to ratify the Energy Charter.

The Energy Charter required the separation of production and delivery of oil/gas, required the supplier to deliver regardless of payment or contract terms, with prices set abroad. It also built in a mechanism for forced price reductions by requiring the owner of the gas transmission system to allow competitive access to other suppliers' oil and gas. On paper, this meant admitting Central Asian and Kazakh hydrocarbons; in reality, it meant control over the pipeline by BP, Exxon, Total, Chevron, etc. The Russians are still trying to squeeze Western oil and gas interests out, with limited success.

At that time, they tried to strangle Russia through Ukraine, whose gas transit system could potentially increase deliveries up to 400 billion cubic meters per year, provoking two gas wars and creating a narrative in the EU that Russia was an unreliable producer. This began the dismantling of the globalized system of long-term oil-indexed contracts and a shift to exchange-based (i.e., manipulable) pricing.

To that end, Yushchenko started ordering pipe dreams about TAP, TANAP, and Nabucco pipelines to supply non-Russian gas; renegotiating contracts with Russia; seizing Ukrainian refineries (like those owned by Tatneft); and constantly threatening to increase domestic production – Ukrainians could theoretically ramp up their own gas output to 60 billion cubic meters per year.

Around the same time, South Stream (an analogue of TurkStream and Nord Stream) was buried. Russia tried to use a legal loophole to build Nord Stream, since surveys had been done back in the late Soviet period. They also completed Blue Stream (at a time when Erdogan was in power in Turkey and Turkey was almost openly sponsoring Wahhabis – so that wasn't ideal). Gazprom bought up a ton of onshore infrastructure in Europe, created joint ventures, etc. And when the completion of these pipelines became inevitable, the EU adopted the discriminatory Third Energy Package and Regulation No. 715/2009 on conditions for access to natural gas transmission networks, to legally implement roughly the same scheme that the Energy Charter envisioned.

Gazprom tried to bypass further risks by building the OPAL onshore distribution pipeline, but it was capped at 50% capacity. Then came the need to break up Naftogaz's vertically integrated structure: separating production, transportation, and underground storage in western Ukraine – done under the pretext of supposed massive shale gas deposits in Donbas, so that Ukrainians would be emboldened to cut ties with Russia.

And then the snowball rolled: retroactive contract renegotiations, biased Stockholm arbitration rulings, illegal restrictions on the Druzhba pipeline, GTS and OPAL restrictions, delays in Nord Stream 2 construction, and obstacles to TurkStream. Gazprom tried to sue, and through Erdogan's vanity, attempted to make Turkey a gas hub so that Russian gas would magically become Turkish and avoid the Third Energy Package restrictions. But European companies flatly refused and announced a program to abandon long-term contracts, retroactively renegotiated terms, applied the Gas Directive retroactively to already-built Nord Stream 1 and 2, etc. Meanwhile, they drained every possible spare dollar from Ukrainians – about $70–90 billion – through ever-rising tariffs, and legislatively enshrined a rejection of Russian gas, an energy transition to hydrogen, and exchange-based pricing.

The exchange-based pricing system worked for exactly one quarter: oil at $38 at the bottom, gas at $82. Europe was overjoyed. Then came the month of panic from the Southern Butovo gas field, when oil futures briefly stabilized prices in Europe, but Europe was terrified by the prospect of gas prices again reaching $2,000–3,000 per thousand cubic meters. Then COVID, sanctions, the sabotage of Nord Stream, and the eventual halt of transit in meaningful volumes.

Europe is fighting us mainly to turn the clock back to the 1990s: free oil and gas deliveries, total control, all foreign currency revenues ending up in EU sovereign debt, nouveau riche in tasteless outfits buying useless villas for millions, parading their mistresses around Milan in Bentleys and Hermès bags, while the oligarchs' children spend millions on London apartments where Harry Potter was filmed.

In fact, the first to declare that war with Ukraine and the EU was inevitable were energy experts – our Martsinkevich and Ukrainian Zemlyansky – in late November 2019. For an hour and a half, they speculated on how to continue living and exporting to the EU, and concluded that the system was broken – and historically, that meant either upheaval or war. Martsinkevich was completely drunk and smoked through the entire hour and a half. Interestingly, in the US over the last year and a half, a view has been gaining traction that the "GDP" indicator should be replaced by an energy consumption index. JUST THINK ABOUT IT!

>>2878141
>Ziggers
Like clockwork, Mr. Predditor

It's more about the inconsistency. Why are shitlibs obsessed with defending Ukraine against what they see as imperialist - sometimes genocidal even - agression but often don't hold countries like Iran or Palestine to the same standard. All of those countries are getting attacked by superpowers and feature distasteful politics for the lib palate yet the ukrainian neo nazism gets a pass while hamas and irgc can't be really supported on the grounds that their theocrat bullshit sucks.

In the end it's because shitlibs everywhere more or less consciously believe in that "struggle of civilizations" horseshit and tribalistically defend theirs. Xitter users like Emily 💫🇺🇦 and Zyuganov or Dugin unironically share the same world view just on opposite side of a rulling class dispute.

>literal who tweet THREAD
>This changes everything.
GO. AWAY.

>>2878207
The tweet showcases what the average shitlib believes in. Why are you so pantified about it?

>>2878206
>theocrat bullshit
Except no one cares about it since the same libs DGAF about the new Syrian puppet letting religious minorities be attacked, India’s Modi still attacking Christians and Muslims as part of his plan to make Hinduism the predominant state religion, the USA and NATO financially and militarily supporting the absolutist monarchies in the gulf region, and the theocratic poor and brown ethnostate that is Israel who is currently engaging in a war of expansion.

I’ve come to the conclusion that a worship of liberalism (whatever that entails according to presentist tendencies) and the American empire is what energises these shitlibs, and that much of the hatred of Trump on their part has less to do with Trump’s actual policies or ideas and more to do with him as a person. Like, you can tell many of them would support everything Trump was doing if it was Kablablah Harris and the Obomber in place of Zion Don.

>>2878225
Basically: The ideological differences shitlibs cite is really just metaphysical BS to provide ad hoc reasoning behind their support for the GAE agenda.

>>2878050
>denying material reality is a good enough reason to be a racist and chauvinistic moron
are you mentally stunted?

>>2878229
Explain yourself.

Btw, not sure if you agree, but I do think that the only way for Europe to turn into an actual superpower is only by allying with Russia as an equal. Fact is, the average eurocrat is wholly unprepared for the 21st century where they’ll have to compete against America, as they’re all stuck in the 1960s.

Also, isn’t it weird how to this day no EU member has ever proposed to ban X’itter and American social media considering how Silicon Valley plutocrats have done more to interfere in European affairs than Putin?

>>2878031
It's seems somewhat similar to Operation Cyclone in Afghanistan; after a foreign adversary makes the mistake of launching an invasion into a third country, inflame the reactionary movements within that country and create a brutal grinding conflict. Like Operation Cyclone, there will likely be blowback when the conflict is over. Probably a huge growth in militant white nationalist movements and terrorism all over Europe. If you we're talking to a lib they probably would defend Operation Cyclone in the exact same way, or at least say maybe there were some moments were it went too far, but the USSR was the greater evil so it was worth it in the end. And then of course the people in Ukraine look more "western" than mujahideen, so news of what's going on there just makes a larger impact.


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