Prior to 2016 (when Trump was first elected POTUS), conspiracy culture was left-coded as shown by how 9/11 truthers, anti-vaxxers, General Motors streetcar conspiracy, etc… were mostly leftists or leaned to the left in the political spectrum, with GWOT-era Michael Moore’s documentaries being the prime example. Funnily enough, the mainstream American right-wing during the Bush presidency was far more elitist and anti-conspiratorial than their leftist contemporaries, and that was when the American left was more populist since it was the underdog during the GWOT era (especially the faction opposed to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan).
It’s only after 2016 that you see the big shift as the post-2008 American left became less populist and more elite, “woke”, and prestigious as opposed to the GOP which started to become more prole-coded, lower-class and populist. The cracks began with the Tea Party, and MAGA just accelerated the shift, to the point that MAGA turned from a faction within the GOP to being the top faction, so much so that any republican candidate would be committing social suicide by not being 100% devoted to MAGA.
Now that the American right (particularly MAGA) has become the incumbent, you’re starting to see some kind of return to the old status quo as right-wing influencers like Nick Fuentes and The Blaze are shitting on conspiracists, beginning with Epstein. Part of it is because Nick hates cringe and poor people, and part of it is that, now that the movement he supports is in power, all the talks about “deep state” this and that is counterproductive now that Trump (the guy Qanon prophesied to stop Epstein) is in charge. In the meantime, the American left has successfully seized on Trump acting guilty by ridiculously walking back on the Epstein files, to the point of dismissing it as a ‘Democratic hoax’. Likewise you have various MAGA influencers like Azealia Banks defending Epstein or denying it, even if it means going against their priors. This is concurrent with how the Epstein saga has transformed into a form of lumpenised class consciousness across the American left, to the point that this sort of populist Epstein-related conspiratorialism (such as allegations of cannibalism and satanism) has reached all of Latin America, the entire western left, as well as the Iranian government (if its LEGO AI videos are proof of anything).
Now what? Well, considering how conspiracy culture is being shunned by chuds if it implicates their stars, I think most of the deranged conspiracy-minded folks will either return to the left camp or abstain from politics altogether. That, or get into rightoid crashouts like in the case of picrel guy who you may know as being behind the ban of Maoist_Landlord on X’itter after said account mocked his Benzos addiction, doxxing multiple X’itter users out of psychosis, and for drenching himself in fake blood to protest Hasan Piker because reasons.
>>2838931>Prior to 2016 (when Trump was first elected POTUS), conspiracy culture was left-coded Tell Adam Kokesh that.
a true conspiracy theorist is skeptical of both left right and center and usually ends up becoming religious
>>2839407>and usually ends up becoming religiousRather cattlish reaction.
>>2838931You're right that the underground left used to be friendlier to CTs, but the underground right had plenty of their own: ZOG, NWO, black UN helicopters, the Amero, FEMA camps, and John Bircher stuff like communists secretly controlling corporations or the government. Or how there's a global warming conspiracy among the world's scientists and there was a plot to put us in "hobbit homes."
Conspiratardism hasnt brought anything good or true. Mosts things are actually what they seems to be. It can only have use as a decades long propaganda tactic.
>but what about zog?
Zog was actually not a conspiracy or even an edgy term, it was always pretty straightforward.
The "deep state" and all other secret government q type stuff turned out to be total bullshit cope as we can see now. There is no charismatic Illusive Man or techocrat deus ex illuminati pulling the strings in the shadow or else everything would actually work better.
>>2838931>Left-conspiratard, where art thou?Simple, they either stopped becoming conspiratards or got sucked into Trumpism.
>I think most of the deranged conspiracy-minded folks will either return to the left camp or abstain from politics altogether.Most of them are going to continue to support Trump, even after he dies. Unironic Trump worship will outlive the USA itself. They'll just say it was a fake Trump that died and that the real Trump is fighting the Reptilians and their Democrat Party henchmen in his Galactic Federation spaceship alongside Charlie Kirk and JFK. The 2000s and Occupy are long over; you're not getting the gang back together.
>>2839509>Zog was actually not a conspiracy or even an edgy termIt was a term you would have seen on Stormfront and other Nazi forums. Using it at a place like Revleft would have gotten you banned.
>>2838931it being "left" wing pre 2016 was not universal, certainty there were always some "right wing" currents within conspiracy culture, right wing evangelicals being obsessed with project monarch or satanism, things such as cultural marxism and the likes, hell many reactionaries in the eight and nineteenth centuries blamed stuff like the french revolution on groups like the freemasons and the likes, "right wing" 20th century anti-Semitism and stuff like the protocols of zion too, etc, that being said the "right" did not always have a monopoly on it and there was indeed a higher percentage of "lefty" sentiment within those spheres pre-2016, at least before stuff such as qanon and the likes became really big among facebook boomers, enough so that it made conspiracies / parapolitics of any short a big taboo on the "left" for a while and for some leftist circles still is, i view the recent stuff with epstein and the likes as a wake up call, not to abandon any short of skepticism towards the "liberal establishment" and not following their line on what the truth is one to one and not let rightoid shitcoating sway us, though this resurgence could perhaps go horribly wrong and lead to overcorrection, such as i have seen with more "liberal-ish" types just using epstein as a shorthand for "orange man bad vote blue" or others flanderizing the whole epstein affair into some oversimplified capeshit smut involving "the evil hecking chud epstein who hates al the gays created 4chan" that i have seen spinning around on twitter (or x if you are certain south african), ironically with fleshsim, he used to at least potray himself as "lefty-esqe" until recently, becoming more "right-ish" right when conspiracies seems to rise on the left, ironic.
>>2839507dumb retarded baby shit
>>2839543most of the time when i hear "zog" its mostly in the context of some dumb lefty adjecent poster making shitty edgy bits on the x (or twitter if you don't have autism) so complaning about it while most of the west keeps unconditionally supporting the genocidal entity known as "israel" seems a bit insensitive, not that saying "zog" is some act of moral defiance or anything.
(yes i did use google ai for this image, coulden't find a good image to use for this quote and the new yorker article if paywalled (seriously the concept of paywalling journalism should be fucking illegal just straight up))
>>2838931what? no.
conspiracy has always been majority rw. look at how many conspiracies are just da jooz.
either way, we have a board for this kind of discourse –→ /ufo/
No mention of Adam Curtis movies? Weird.
>conspiracy culture was left-coded as shown by how 9/11 truthers, anti-vaxxers, General Motors streetcar conspiracy, etc…
Small capitalist schizos. Next.
>>2838931im still here. its just boring and a psyop. i listened to every episode of true anon, deaths corner, ghost stories, programmed to chill, subliminal jihad, fourth reich archaeology, return of the repressed, the farm, etc etc and after a certain point its just true crime horror and self harm and not really learning anything. its less about the individuals and more about capitalism anyway. theres seriously diminishing returns after you have learned about gladio die spinne odessa werwulf and so on, all it does is correctly put the ussr/cold war justified paranoia in context but you arent gonna convince normies by collecting extra obscure factoids and it doesnt make you stronger knowing more ways the cia can kill you.
in the end you always come back to lenin and "what is to be done". you know what is to be done and reading programmed to kill or politics of heroin again does not organize the workers it makes you feel like you are doing something when its really the equiv of watching animes
>>2841200Yeah but vaccines are good
>>2838931>Prior to 2016 conspiracy culture was left-codedyeah, the left wing of satanic capital!!!
Every crusty new age hippie socialists like Jane Fonda believe that 'we need human depopulation, Africans are having too many babies', exactly like their Epstein class friends who study human breeding in the Bill Gates Foundation.
Alex Jones had a cameo in the Philip K Dick movie adaptation A Scanner Darkly because that radlib "alternative" culture was always just degenerated reactionary liberalism from demons who would later reveal their true nature: Baal worshipers who literally slander children for being killed in schools by their gun worshiping fascist death cult.
>The cracks began with the Tea Party, the petite bourgeois Karen astroturf movement created as a Koch Bros psyop is the most elitist and anti-populist. They literally called the cops on you for not fitting into their soulless Stepford Wives neighborhood aesthetic!
>>2839509>ZOG was actually not a conspiracy or even an edgy term, it was always pretty straightforward. <"This term came from neo-Nazi projects in the 1970s and 1980s as a way of explaining why the federal government was a lost institution: it had been captured by an alien influence. We have to consider how white nationalism reconstituted itself after the Civil Rights Movement made gains in undoing legally sanctioned segregation and Jim Crow laws and made public and legislative expressions of open racism less acceptable. Now, racists could not just run for office or push communities towards racialist conclusions; they had to engage in a revolutionary struggle because the government was no longer run by and for the white man" https://organizingmythoughts.org/we-dont-talk-like-nazis/Neoliberal capitalism is undeniably a nazi movement for its counter-revoluion that seeks to reverse civil rights legal protections for workers.
But its very funny that these "anti-fascists" like this guy ultimately have the same political theories as nazis, insisting we must "SMASH THE STATE!", but somehow believe they're antifa because they have a woke version of the reactionary anti-state counter-revolution or something? lol
<"you will find anti-war leftists in bed with pro-Assad far-right figures or anti-interventionist paleocons because they think that anyone pushing back on the war is likely a good thing"So this PMC antifa Portland guy writes books about antisemitism and scolds the 'red fascist tankies' for being campists without nuance? History will not have nuance for antifa: we will remember that anarchists cheered the creation of Greater Israel in Syria after they heroically "SMASHED THE STATE", like they have in every other CIA coup anti-state project like Libya and Ukraine and Iran, and of course Palestine (have you heard what Soros is doing in Indonesia? Stay woke!)
>>2841300>Jonestown didn't commit suicide and Caleb Maupinoh come on dont put these together. its well known the cia killed those hippies
>>2838931isnt this guy a crypto fash??
>>2841419crypto? i thought he openly said he was a rightoid. even a stromfag.
>>2841419no he's a left-liberal who got into an internet spat with hasan piker fans
>>2838931>General Motors streetcar conspiracythat isn't a conspiracy you fucking idiot
>>2842076If the streetcar systems were profitable and being deliberately destroyed by a conspiracy, why were so many transit operators already in severe financial trouble before the acquisition campaign began? And how do you distinguish between accelerating an existing trend and causing that trend?
>>2838931Bro, I can’t believe that you Didn’t cite AIDS denialism. Like, the whole thing probably wouldn’t exist if it wasn’t for gay men trying to minimise or deny the effects of AIDS (“GRIDS”, as it was called) since it implicated gay people and their libertine lifestyle at the time.
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