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Why are leftists so butt hurt about AI? Is it really just because so many leftists are artists and musicians and the like? Seems petty tbh. Luxury gay space communism is right around the corner and they want to throw out the baby with the bath water cuz ai isn’t 100% accurate 100% of the time.


Also fuck your art uygha. It sucks. Art has sucked since Picasso.
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>>2565526
>>2565538
Nobody likes twitter libs, not even other libs. And don't fucking call them "leftists" ever again.

>>2565543
>not muh REAL leftists
they absolutely are leftists

lol at pseuds who reduce left-wing to basically be perfectly equivalent with communism (which isnt even part of the left-right divide of bourgeois politics in the first place) and exclude everything else that perfectly falls under such umbrella term

The problem with AI is it's not good at anything but it's being put in charge of critical functions so that nobody will be held accountable when problems happen. Also it uses an ungodly amount of water and electricity because the algorithms are very dumb and just brute force everything.

>>2565546
While they are certainly to the left of scum like (you), their ass is still firmly planted on the right side of the spectrum. So shut the fuck up, culture warrior. The best I can do is offer a separate mass grave, but no more than 6 meters away.

>>2565526
>Why are leftists so butt hurt about AI?
Its mostly the college educated middle class feeling threatened that they now have to compete with a robot willing to do the same artsy fartsy stuff they do for $0per hour

An ironic twist from the days when they'd mock the working class for complaining about immigrants willing to work for $3 per hour, all the other shit they come up with is to get away from this irony because if they whinge about it too much the working class would catch on and begin mocking them for it.



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🗽UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅
<Ronald McDonald Trump Edition

🏈 💵Thread for hellish discussion of the Dying Burger Reich and the pedophile Hitlerite-Zionist clique of the American bourgeoisie and its iron grip upon the greatest bigliest country McGod™ ever gave McMan™ on the face of the McEarth™🌭 🍔

>Things are going to continue to happen in the stupidest ways possible that no one really takes seriously, where every single person compulsively reacts with either cynical grifting or useless panic and appealing to a political system of liberal democracy that is entirely dead and irrelevant. things will continue to get gradually worse, more people will lose their jobs and homes, the most destitute and marginalized will be oppressed by state-backed domestic terrorism, but the decay will simply continue and everyone who isn't actively being imprisoned and forced into slavery or outright exterminated will simply ignore it and maintain a cognitive dissonance of believing a civil war is happening while living their lives in a mostly normal fashion. The death of the United States will be slow, painful, and insufferably annoying and stupid.

<Death to the scourge of the earth, the destroyer of nations, the father of fascism, the enabler of ethnostates, the treatlerite tyrant, the protector of pedophiles, the exporter of ecocide, the captain of capitalism, the king of coups, the sultan of sanctions, the emir of the embargo, the autocrat of austerity, the doge of deregulation, the baron of busting unions, the prince of privatization, the lord of loan sharks, the patron-saint of proxy wars, the sponsor of settlers, the guarantor of genocides, the invader of islands, the Divided $nakkkes of Amerikkka™

🛠️ Strike Tracker ⚒️
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🇺🇸 Deeds of the Burger Reich 🇺🇸
https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/us_atrocities.md
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>>2565548
where's he live

>>2565558
I don't know but he always has a gun on him so he feels confident. He had one video where he pulled it out when the guys started getting close to him then they went away

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>>2565558
my bet is Tennessee

>>2565553
Let’s see if they keep that promise



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I haven't really been much of a marxist throughout my life because of its somewhat "continental" nature. In essence my thought system has been articulated around the idea of non-domination/non-coercion, similar to most neo-republicans nowadays. Yet, whilst discussing with a friend of mine yesterday, she described marxism as essentially that, except with a broader picture than the individual. Thus my question is, how do you respond to these critiques without falling into some form of left-libertarianism or kantian ethical (like Rawls or Pettit) system ?

>LTV

From my understanding, alienation occurs because the worker doesn't enjoy the full value of his labor, determined by his labor. Without going into economic debates about which paradigm is true, how do you resolve the LTV being arguably false with the alienation incumbent on the workers ? Alternatively, if labor is presumed to not have innate value, how does alienation come about ?

>Historical materialism

Similarly, how does the marxist critique interprets the potential errors that Marx made. If class conflict is the sole driver of history, how do you explain Napoleon or feudal reconfiguration. Furthermore, if the superstructure can affect and influence the base structure, doesn't this negate the broad "justification" of a revolution and that the roles of production aren't everything in a society (perhaps this lies on me, but I hardly see how marxism can be non-work centered).

>Falling rates of profit/crisis theory

It is my understanding that Marx argued that capitalism would inevitably result in crisis which would weaken the working class and express its contradiction. However, the keynesian framework allows for a more robust understanding of these crisis aswell as an integration of consideration for the workers in its system. Similarly, the TRPF has been disproved by Okshio's theory and has been somewhat proven empirically false. If both are true, what requirement is there to fundamentally change system and free ourselves from the free market "constraint" ?

>Empirical cases of "marxist-leninist" states & the ECP

Lastly, how do MLs adress the issue of domination in marxists societies. Essentially, why haven't marxist utopias produced long-lasting results and individual satisfaction ?
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>>2565531
>LTV being arguably false
???
>TRPF has been disproved by Okshio's theory and has been somewhat proven empirically false
???
>doesn't understand Historical materialism
>Economic Calculation problem never existed
Congratulations on being slightly more intelligent than the average lolbert. Have a (you).

You're not an ultraliberal, Harry. Get the fuck out of here. Don't be a retard.

>>2565541
What's the point of denying the marginalist conception or the Okshio's theory. I'm not super well versed into economics but it seems a bit apparent that, if you genuinely argued for such theories, that you ground them on solid arguments

>doesn't understand Historical materialism

>Economic Calculation problem never existed
Tell me, then. What more to it is there that I haven't understood ?

>You're not an ultraliberal

That would be correct.

>>2565544
>denying the marginalist conception
>ground them on solid arguments
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emnYMfjYh1Q
Here's scientific proof of LTV.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmbm3u2r_Cs
Here's clowning on Marshall.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BkMiZze4ak
And Okishio.
Total watch time is… 51 minutes. So I better not see a fucking reply from you before then. Got it?

How does historical materialism fail to explain Napoleon or feudal reconfiguration? Huh? Marx talks about both at length.



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>>2565469
The US trade war on China has been ongoing since 2017 and they sanctioned China from key techs. The US imposed 145% tariffs on China at one point which is virtually a trade embargo, something qualitatively different than the other countries. They had to back down because they realize China has the manufacturing leverage and monopoy on rare earths.
>>2565474
And there were never hints from them that it's going to happen. Not from the state read outs from China after the negotations or from the company.

>>2565465
this is an intra-bourgeoisie spat at best

>silent boycott

lmfao this shit is the same crap they said about biden being unable to fulfill shipments quick enough, even though they just werent able to produce weapons fast enough. more cope from multipolarista sisters.

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>>2565479
>They had to back down
Trump had to back down from most trade disputes because they were asinine and counter-productive, are you going to argue that every manufacturing economy has huge leverage over the US?

>And there were never hints from them that it's going to happen.

literal fake news lmfao

>>2565486
>Trump had to back down from most trade disputes
lmao what do you mean, EU took it like a little bitch because they're a vassel and came out way worse from the deal.
>literal fake news lmfao
that was from Trump extending the ban deadline, they put out that message every three months. show me any announcement from bytedance saying oracle is buying tiktok. they have to get approval from xi and that hasn't happened. also notice your date is from sept 29, 1 month before negotiations even occured about it

what are those tricksy japanese up to now? tldr?



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>The Society of the Spectacle (1967) by Guy Debord
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<The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction (1936) by Walter Benjamin

📖 • https://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/ge/benjamin.htm
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>>2565516
That's most of the bourgeoisie, retard

>>2565405
Your choice of online social interaction isn't going to make you any more normal. everyone online is unhinged. You should try joining a socialist organization and talking to people in real life, you will not have as mean of thoughts. Also, the AI shit is really out of hand and you are way better off with a minimal online footprint, and taking active steps to avoid the amount of data that is collected about you, like using open source software and good practices. Your best bet is to detach yourself from the online spectacle, and only keep in touch with people you trust, maybe stay on a few under the forums or chats.

>>2565517
and I respect them for playing the game, I will respect a capitalist with money over a broke sexless chud any day

>>2565405
The only other places where you really meet online people (in my experience) and actually socialize is on random hobby related discord servers, social media platforms like Twitter and shit are just algos to serve you content at this point. Even then it's hit or miss. You gotta find a good one that matches your interests and personality, where you do that I wouldn't know

As far as how to socialize idk man, gotta just get in there and talk to people. Realize that at the end of the day these people probably don't care as much about your social performance as you do

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What do you guys think of this



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Orly? On god?

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>>2565510
im not suprised

>>2565510
one wonders how ookraine will ever pay for all those weapons. is there even enough resources in the western parts to satisfy EU's ghouls?

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>>2565533
if there is one think these horrific fools know how to do it is to take their pound of flesh any way they can.



 

*This is mainly targeted towards zoomers on TikTok

Practically all leftist "propaganda edits" have been filtered towards slop copies of whatever the far right has been doing for the past few years;

The right starts making little dark age edits with World War 2 movies? The left copies that, only changing it from the German sided perspective to the Soviet,

The right starts putting shitty statistics over nature scenarios with nightcore blasting through? The left copies it, only changing the statistic and adding a ushanka to the retarded greek statue reaction image,

The right starts doing Agartha/Hyperborea edits? The left copies it, only changing the symbolism from the Black Sun to Red Shambhala (And yes, I know the whole Red Shambhala thing is supposed to be a parody of that),

What the fuck are we doing in that department? Any suggestions?
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>>2565400
They're being ironic

>>2565407
They ironically scream and cry at the thought of a darker skinned male dating a lighter skinned woman? They ironically shoot up schools and kill 50 white children? They ironically behead their father or get kicked out before they can murder their own parents? They ironically own terrabytes of blacked porn?

>>2536374

how many of you had an alt-right/reactionary phase?

be honest

>>2565436
worse, i had an anarchist phase

>>2565476

then you'll know better than anyone how shock value and edgy stuff like this really catches young people's attention



 

We win by being better than our enemy. Not just in tactics and fighting but by treating eachother and those who cant fight with kindness and love for one another. We know god can’t fight all of our battles and we will do what needs to be done to those attempting to persecute us but we will always be better than them in many ways.

bump. one thing i remember very clearly for some reason from a vaguely leftist podcast is that they were calling for single women listeners to start searching for a partner because supposedly they have a better chance at surviving a civil war (or other kinds of social unrest) if they're in a committed long-term relationship, i have no idea if that is actually true however. thoughts?

This is larper bullshit
No civil war is coming to the states
Just it will be a slow decline of shittyness

>>2559947
This guy seems pretty dumb. Actually in terms of "survival" stuff I like this guy who worked as a conflict correspondent for years in all kinds of countries with high levels of violence. His politics are more liberal-centrist but more world-wise and a big takeaway is to just not be a dumbass. Develop some social skills, don't lie to people. In a war zone you're probably far more likely to get waylaid by opportunistic criminals than killed by a bomb. Avoid funny-looking people. Travel light and don't look like a mark. Stay away from whorehouses. Avoid have too much of a good time (alcohol). Americans in particular tend to talk loud and act flamboyantly abroad, and this is bad (or good, if you're reading this and want to rip us off). Be situationally aware. You're not John Wick. If people are trying to kill you, run like hell.

>>2559947
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>2565358
>>2559947
The video was ass.
TLDR: Wight complains about marxists giving 1% permanent bed-time
Never trust a wight
>>2565314
Facts. Females are hardwired to maintain orbiters and lock down betas for survival.



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