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 No.1574396[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Leftypedia lived - Leftypedia lives - Leftypedia will live!

Greetings, comrades. Leftypedia, the radical encyclopedia, should be back in a usable state. We have more moderators, which will help with spam from now on, and images are slowly being repopulated for your viewing pleasure. The new domain has been up and running for a while at https://wiki.leftypol.org, and we've imported the vast majority of content that was on the old site while adding a lot of new stuff. I hope that Anons can come back and fill in any content that was lost.

For those unaware, Leftypedia is an original /leftypol/ project dedicated to combating the disinformation of mainstream media and academic sources, as well as discussing leftist history, theory, and practice from a multi-sectarian viewpoint. We welcome additions from different leftist perspectives provided that they are properly sourced and well argued. In addition, we maintain a separate space, tentatively titled "Essays", for more subjective or polemic work.

The original thread is here: >>>/edu/3780
You can find Leftypedia at: https://wiki.leftypol.org
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 No.1745246

I've been away for a while, but here's some new stuff:

"The term Dark Ages in its modern usage properly refers to the relative paucity of written records and histories during the Early Middle Ages. In English history, for example, the era of Germanic colonization is a mostly unknown, or "dark", period in history; such gaps in history also occur in Byzantine records and elsewhere. This darkness is even more evident when studying the histories of Southern and Eastern European languages such as Albanian, not found in writing until 1462, and Romanian, not attested until 1521."
https://wiki.leftypol.org/wiki/European_Middle_Ages

"Classical society reached its zenith with the Roman Empire, which brought vast expanses of modern Europe, Africa, and Asia into one polity, taking its cultural, technological, and economic forms with it. The empire spanned 5 million km2 (1.9 million mi2) at its height in 117 AD. During the third century AD, the empire entered a period of sharp economic and political crisis which ended only with the centralizing reforms of emperor Diocletian (r. 284-305). The contradictions and struggles of maintaining such a large area, compounded by the threat of tribal groups from the North and East, forced Diocletian to significantly transform the Roman imperial system, including by revolutionary new forms of military organization, a revised taxation system, and eventually, an administrative division of the Empire into East and West. In the 5th century, the Western half faced renewed crisis and eventual collapse into regional states, while the Eastern Empire continued to exist for centuries."
https://wiki.leftypol.org/wiki/Classical_antiquity

"'And while professors thus disagree, the ideas that there is a necessary conflict between capital and labor, that machinery is an evil, that competition must be restrained and interest abolished, that wealth may be created by the issue of money, that it is the duty of government to furnish capital or to furnish work, are rapidly making way among the great body of the people, who keenly feel a hurt and are sharply conscious of a wrong. Such ideas, which bring great masses of men, the repositories of ultimate political power, under the leadership of charlatans and demagogues, are fraught Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

 No.1765859

I need input on where to take "Views of Karl Marx on Jews". I only created it as somewhere for Jack Barn (no longer very active) to put his whining (see >>1634270), but he never took me up on it. I had hoped it could become a page for acknowledging the attacks on Marx with a balanced discussion - an inoculation, if you like.
https://wiki.leftypol.org/wiki/Views_of_Karl_Marx_on_Jews

Should it be (a) turned into a large quote mine, (b) written as a discussion in paragraph form with citations (i.e. "he also made some statements about Lassalle[2][3][4][5][6][7][8]")… or simply deleted?



 No.742065[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

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 No.1765040

>>1765035
>There is a time for everything,
> and a season for every activity under the heavens:
> a time to be born and a time to die,
> a time to plant and a time to uproot,
> a time to kill and a time to heal,
> a time to tear down and a time to build,
> a time to weep and a time to laugh,
> a time to mourn and a time to dance,
> a time to scatter stones and a time to gather them,
> a time to embrace and a time to refrain from embracing,
> a time to search and a time to give up,
> a time to keep and a time to throw away,
> a time to tear and a time to mend,
> a time to be silent and a time to speak,
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and there's a time for the SoulCalubur VI tournament!
>>>/siberia/499980

Alunya (/leftypol/) vs. Christ Chan (/christian/) starts in ~3 hours, join the cytube linkin the thread for banter.



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 No.1683261[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Hamas Edition

>Member of Hamas Political Bureau, Basim Naim, congratulated freedom fighter, Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, on his victory in Brazil’s election after defeating his rival, incumbent Jair Bolsonaro, in a fiercely contested run-off election.

>The Hamas official considered da Silva’s election a victory for all oppressed people around the globe, particularly the Palestinian people, as da Silva is known for his strong and continued support for the Palestinians at all international forums.
>Naim said that Hamas “looks forward to President Lula mitigating all the effects of the unlimited support for the Israeli Occupation State”.

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 No.1768837

What's the deal with all those many splintered parties that seem to have similar politics and there not being a clear line between government and non-government coalitions?

 No.1768838

>>1768216
>Mimimi hamas terrorista
>Mimimi dois estados
>Mimimi a maioria dos sionistas são contra o genocídio em Gaza

Nem ele deve acreditar nessas merdas

 No.1768840

>>1768143
Sul do Brasil infestado de brancos fachos colonizadores genocidas? Sim, de fato é o mais semelhante à entidade sionista que há aqui

 No.1768842

>>1767111
>É bom lembrar que Israel, que não passa de uma base militar americana
Errado, os judeus sionistas que controlam os states, não o contrário

 No.1768855

>>1768837
The short answer is: it's Brazil.

Almost all parties in the right and center are ideological and moral voids, mere collections of crooks, arrivists and sociopaths. The criteria for their divisions is the same as that of, say, mafia families or street gangs: they're all in the same business and behave the same way and the only difference among them is which strongman or subsection of porkies they swear fealty to. The one exception is a relatively recent party called Novo, created from the ground up to be made up of porkies – they even have an internal selection process which they pretend is like some standardized testing (liberals just love the appearance of propriety like that) if you want to run for office but it's actually just to weed out any dissenters and/or poormies. Honestly, they operate in a quite democratic centralist style, making sure the party has a coherent message and unified goals. They even purged away the very founder of the party for supporting Lula over Bozo in 2022 – because of course the porky party dickrides a genocidal coupist retard but will not tolerate supporters of the most cucked leftist on Earth. As far as I can see, they're the only party outside of the left actually guided by class interests, and that's precisely why, I think, they're bound to be tiny (they're the 3 dark orange dots in your pic). We are an undeveloped country because our ruling class is incredibly small-minded and stupid, and that's why they organize themselves in this haphazard way, and they have no reason to change because, well, it has worked well for them for half a millenium. They have no incentive and no need to organize properly in order to, for example, make concessions to the people in order to stave off rebellion, so why would the strongmen subject themselves to a steering committee of the bourgeoisie when they can just be kings of their own fiefdoms?



 No.1768850[Reply]

Do they think that the human condition as it is isn't a disaster that needs to change and needs to change fast? do they not see how problematic our current cultures are? are they fine with human trafficking? child abuse? crapitalism? for how long? forever? till the sun engulfs the earth? how are they not seen as the mad ones?
I can never see conservatives as anything but the gatekeepers of the hell that is the current human condition.

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Some are stupid, some don't give a shit, some like an easy paycheck. There is always and forever marks and conmen. If you grew up sheltered the world looks different to you than if you grew up in "a rough neighborhood". There is a whole lot of "intersecting" issues but that would take forever to adequately summarize.

 No.1768854

because they're conservatives
they're anti progress because they're conservatives
it's in the name



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 No.1601511[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Glasses edition.

The Purpose of This Thread
I've seen about a dozen threads asking about Fascists: "Why are they like this?" "What is Fascism?" "Is Fascism Far Right?" "Is the modern KPRF Fascist?" "Why do laymen Nazis hate America?" "How did Hitler organize the Nazis?" "What does /leftypol/ think of <insert random Fascist here>"

These repetitive threads get a lot of attention and people end up retreading the same few questions, so I figured I'd make a general for all questions and inquiries into Fascism. Consider it a study group for a niche subject. Whether it be out of genuine curiosity or means of countering Fascist ideology, I'm hoping people can point to this thread instead of starting new ones or bumping a dozen different old ones.

Links and Fascist Literature
>Biblioteca Fascista
https://bibliotecafascista.blogspot.com/
<Collection of translated articles from Italian Fascists, useful as a historical source.

>Fascism: One Hundred Questions Asked and Answered

https://ia804600.us.archive.org/11/items/fascism-100-questions-asked-answeredoswald-mosley/Oswald%20Mosley%20-%20Fascism%20100%20Qs%20and%2010%20Points.pdf
<Pamphlet written by Oswald Mosley. It was famous enough that Fascist parties in other countries imitated it. He outlines in detail the British interpretation of the Fascist Political and Economic system.
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 No.1767321

>>1767289
We’ll go be fair I would say Italy is still the beating heart of Fascist intellectualism; with Neo-Fascist candidates actually running on positions like local corporatist reforms, but outside of that specific context a lot of modern fash just fall into what I’d coin “killpeople-ism”

Of course that can change. Casapound has actual international ties ranging from Hezbollah to Azov, they’re training militants, and it’s entirely possible that they could in turn offer international training to other Fascist groups.

>>1767291
Honestly if people don’t think Socialism is gonna do anything for them, of course they’ll go fascist. Yet in spite of that I see a certain strain of Socialists claim that Socialism would immediately lower American living standards, or solemnly proclaim that Socialism can never happen here, or find some other way to make an obviously appealing idea sound “bad” to the masses. This really shouldn’t be controversial, but for some reason people think being wildly abrasive to the people you want to appeal to is acceptable as long as you’re correct. Meanwhile Fascists will go out of their way to try to “woo” people or present themselves as reasonable.

I see plenty of people on here saying rhetoric doesn’t matter, presentation doesn’t matter, “those are just liberal spooks”. I’ve got to disagree. How you present ideas do matter, and if you’re a cunt, people aren’t going to listen to you.

 No.1767326

>>1766356
>there are retards who actually believe Hitler won a single election
he was the head of the Nazi party, and the Nazi party won large electoral victories in the 1930s, enough to form a plurality of delegates in the Reichstag. He was essentially picked as chancellor (i.e. prime minister) because he could form a majority coalition between his Nazi party and other conservative nationalist parties. By the logic of a parliamentary system, he did gain power in a conventional legal way.

That being said, Hitler personally lost when he attempted to run against Hindenburg in presidential elections in 1933. His being pick as chancellor also happened under murky circumstances, because parliamentary elections were delayed extralegally by Hindenburg. In the final parliamentary elections (in 1932) before Hitler was chosen as chancellor in early 1933, the Nazis were starting to lose electoral seats after their massive gains in the previous 2 or 3 elections, indicating that the Nazis were on a trend of losing their seats.

 No.1767327

>>1767321
Well I don't very much like how Richard wolf present himself tbh. This in your face well duh aura is not going to win anyone over really. And his solution, market socialism. Well he doesn't talk about it much. Okay so I work at Amazon so I get to be owner of the Amazon warehouse now? What about a guy who works at a restaurant?
I've come across libertarians that say. Well I want libertarianism but with American made goods and employing Americans and be more self sufficient. Those guys are confused communists I think.

 No.1768134

>>1767327
>Well I don't very much like how Richard wolf present himself tbh. This in your face well duh aura is not going to win anyone over really. And his solution, market socialism. Well he doesn't talk about it much. Okay so I work at Amazon so I get to be owner of the Amazon warehouse now? What about a guy who works at a restaurant?

Funny enough I tend to like Wolff for his cranky New York Jew persona. Though I watched him debate an Objectivist and there were people saying he seemed angry all the time while the lolbert he was debating seemed friendly and smiley. So I can see where you're coming from.

>I've come across libertarians that say. Well I want libertarianism but with American made goods and employing Americans and be more self sufficient. Those guys are confused communists I think.


I've got a good friend who's a libertarian, and a lot of the time it feels like he gets real close to Marxism before pulling himself back. Like saying economics matters more than racial identity and shit. I think the problem is American propaganda forcibly defined "Communism" as being akin to 1984; so people want the freedom Communism can provide but get scared away from Communist thought because they're convinced it's when the government breaks your legs to make you "equal" to crippled people.

 No.1768853

When Oswald Mosley Met Juan Peron

>On the 31 October 1950, BOAC flight BA351 took off from London Airport and arrived in Buenos Aires at 19.40 hours the next day. According to the passenger list there was a ‘Harry Morley’ on board the aircraft.


>However, this name didn’t fool MI5**. As early as 9 October they had picked up from a phone tap on Union Movement Head Quarters that Alf Flockhart, one of Oswald Mosley’s political secretaries, was booking an open ended airline ticket to Argentina for him – and that ‘Harry Morley’ was to appear on the passenger list.


>MI5 immediately sent a list naming eight of Mosley’s most active supporters in Argentina, and elsewhere in South America, to SIS and on 26 October informed the Foreign Office.


>On arrival in Buenos Aires, Mosley was interviewed and said that his visit was connected solely with the sale of books in Argentina and Chile and that he was staying with friends. A message sent by the British Embassy to London on 4 November by diplomatic bag commented that Mosley’s visit had been reported fully in the Argentinean press who claimed that it was instigated by members of the Argentine government. However the Embassy believed that this did not appear to be the case, there was no indication of any Argentinean government interest and later the press went out of its way to say he was an unwelcome visitor.


>On 17 November Senor Pombo of the Argentinean Embassy in London was taken to lunch by someone in the Foreign Office and he ‘confirmed’ that Mosley was only getting in touch with certain Germans there. Later MI5 reported that Mosley arrived back in the UK at Hurn Airport on 26 November having broken his journey in Spain for two days.


>But for all their phone taps and mail intercepts, MI5 and the Foreign Office had been fooled. Mosley did indeed meet Peron which, if known at the time, might have seriously jeopardised Argentina’s negotiations for higher beef prices with the British Labour Government who considered Mosley their mortal enemy. Suddenly, Senor Pombo’s ‘reassurance’ and the hasty change in tune of the Argentinean press can be seen as part of an orchestrated plan of misinformation by the Peron Government.


>But how do w
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 No.416549[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Letzter Pfaden wurde dank der /Pol/acken vom Brett gepusht. Deshalb ein neues Deutschland General.
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 No.1768387

>>1768381
Na klar kann man das vergleichen.
>lira litt an einem lungenödem. das ist bei rechtzeitiger diagnose und therapie behandel- und heilbar.
Ukraine war bereits vor dem Krieg ein abgefucktes Dritteweltland. Leute sterben da an sowas.

 No.1768396

>>1768387
>Leute sterben da an sowas
ach so ist das. der ausländische regimekritiker ist also an dritte welt gestorben. wie bequem für die ukrainischen nazis

 No.1768683

>>1768381
>die fälle sind nicht zu vergleichen. bei gonzalo lira liegt der totschlag auf der hand und alle bürgerlichen msm schweigen. lira litt an einem lungenödem. das ist bei rechtzeitiger diagnose und therapie behandel- und heilbar. die diagnose wurde rechtzeitig im oktober gestellt, gestorben ist er im dezember. behandelt wurde gar nicht. die nazis haben ihn äußerst qualvoll verrecken lassen.
hast du paar quellen wo man mehr drüber lesen kann
wundert mich gar nicht, wüsste nur gern wo das her ist

 No.1768719

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 No.1768851

Wagenknecht Status?



 No.1767493[Reply]

🇵🇸 PREVIOUSLY ON THE HOLY LAND 🇵🇸
>>>/leftypol/1755857
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🚨 Live Happenings/Updates 🚨

• Al-Jazeera: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/12/9/israel-hamas-war-live-us-veto-of-un-ceasefire-effort-draws-condemnation

•Middle East Eye: https://www.middleeasteye.net/israel-palestine-hamas-war-gaza-live-invasion

•The Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/09/civilian-toll-israeli-airstrikes-gaza-unprecedented-killing-study

•Times of Israel: https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-december-9-2023/ (trigger warning)

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 No.1768795

>>1768742
Alright, I concede on the Haaretz thing. Thanks for holding me to my usual intellectual rigor.

 No.1768797

>>1768761
I gave up on that shit years ago because I hated the idea of having to trick someone to having sex with me. I basically accepted that if I am not good enough, I am not good enough. That's all I'll say about that for the sake of the actual subject of the thread.

 No.1768798

tbh I'm fascinated by all the naval shit going on. The US Navy's ships have for too long been under zero threat just lobbing tomohawks at an enemy that can't retailiate and calling it combat.

 No.1768811

>>1768426
Calling the exact reverse

 No.1768849

National Resistance Brigades (Martyr Omar Al-Qasim Forces):
"Our forces continue to confront the enemy soldiers and their machinery in northern Gaza and the city of Khan Younis, bombarding their positions with rockets in coordination with Saraya Al-Quds."
Commander Abu Khalid, the spokesperson for the Martyr Omar Al-Qasim Forces (the military wing of the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine), issued a military statement announcing the continuation of the Martyr Omar Al-Qasim Forces' resistance against the occupation forces and their machinery. The statement detailed their engagement with the enemy on the northern Gaza Strip and in Khan Younis, bombarding their positions with rockets in coordination with Saraya Al-Quds (the military wing of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad Movement). Here are the details:
The Martyr Omar Al-Qasim Forces confronted the enemy forces and their machinery around Nasser Hospital west of Khan Younis, employing machine guns, explosive devices, anti-personnel and anti-machinery rockets, and B7 shells, successfully hitting one of the enemy's vehicles and causing casualties among their ranks, including dead and wounded.
In cooperation with fighters from Saraya Al-Quds, the Martyr Omar Al-Qasim Forces targeted enemy gatherings in the Al-Zaytoun neighborhood southeast of Gaza with 107-caliber rockets, hitting their targets and inflicting severe losses on the enemy.
The Martyr Omar Al-Qasim Forces engaged in fierce battles with the "israeli" enemy forces east of Gaza City, using a variety of weapons, including anti-personnel shells, resulting in significant losses for the enemy.
Martyr Omar Al-Qasim Forces – The military wing of the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine
Military Media
21/2/2024



 No.1650427[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

This thread is for the discussion of cybersocialism, the planning of the socialist economy by computerized means, including discussions of related topics and creators. Drama belongs in /isg/

Reading
Towards a New Socialism by Paul Cockshott and Allin Cottrell: http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/socialism_book/
Brain of the Firm by Stafford Beer
Cybernetic Revolutionaries by Eden Medina
Cybernetics: Or the Control and Communication in the Animal and the Machine and The Human Use of Human Beings (1st edition) by Norbert Wiener
Economic cybernetics by Nikolay Veduta
People's Republic of Walmart by Leigh Phillips and Michal Rozworski
Red Plenty by Francis Spufford
Economics in kind, Total socialisation and A system of socialisation by Otto Neurath (Incommensurability, Ecology, and Planning: Neurath in the Socialist Calculation Debate by Thomas Uebel provides a summary)

Active writers/creators
Sorted by last name
>Paul Cockshott
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 No.1766568

>>1766530
>Change in unit values can be flat and then "infinite" right at the constraint
mhm
>normally you are not there
Dapprich explicitly relies on being at an optimal point (page 164), which means not only are you near a constraint, you're on as many constraints as you have variables (disregarding the case where there's more than one optimal point, such as an optimal line or facet). the shadow prices are given by the dual solution to the primal problem
>You have a buffer stock and within a range unit-cost stays basically same. And in more long-term planning about changing the scale of production, unit values are usually lower at the bigger scale
this is true of course, and investment is non-convex so costs can actually decrease per unit there. this also goes whenever there's spare capacity, this being equivalent to being in the interior of the plan polytope. but Dapprich doesn't propose that. he proposes maximizing GDP, which means operating at an extreme point, not in the interior
>You just in this very post made the neoclassical assumption of rising marginal cost as the normal thing
marginal costs do rise in convex planning, as soon as you start hitting constraints. in the interior it is not necessarily the case
>The equilibrium price I refer to would be the cost-covering price, nothing marginal about it.
this isn't what shadow prices are though. they have nothing to do with costs
in a socialist economy there are no other costs than labour, and all such costs are ex-post covered. we can choose to price things differently, but the cost is a given

 No.1766935

>Production of goods=population*social media trends
Solved your economic planning bros

 No.1766971

>>1766935
I'm going to give an example
1.36% of zoomers own Jordan sneakers
2.theres 68 million gen z in the us
3.thats 24 million gen z
4.the interest is half of its peak
5.you can draw a trend line and predict how many Jordan sneakers will be needed based on that
Not that'd there ought to be Jordan sneakers in a proper socialist society. I don't know throwing darts.

 No.1767069

>>1766935
>>1766971
my god, he's cracked the code
more seriously, of course demand prediction is important and useful. companies do it all the time

 No.1768848

>Information and Hayek part II
<I show how a price vector can not represent the full information structure of an economy and how this loss of information necessarily means that the Market Prices will be wrong unless technical conditions never change.



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 No.1768642[Reply]

The far-right is generally characterised by leftists as pseudo-intellectual, backward, and immoral, primarily due to it's positions with regard to racial differences among human beings and it's general advocacy of closed border policies to both retain a homogeneous white country and minimise criminal activity.

It tends to prescribe these measures in responses to large influxes of people that are overwhelmingly overrepresented in crime with cultures that are seen as being incompatible with those of the west and/or as having a detrimental influence on the overall state of the western world.

The left tends to counter these claims with two main arguments of which all other arguments are effectively variations.

These being;

1. An appeal to modern scientific consensus which (according to them) argues that all differences in racial behaviour are not so much genetic in nature but rather socioeconomic.

2 An appeal to morality that argues that racial discrimination is wrong due to this form of generalisation harming individual people that fall outside the norms of their group.

Yet, none of these arguments discredit the efficacy of a racial worldview in creating stable and safe societies and can easily be refuted by pointing out the following.

Assuming that the left is, in fact, right about all behaviour being driven by socioeconomic factors, this doesn't make any difference with regard to mass migration to the west being mainly comprised of people with notoriously bad socioeconomic backgrounds, and any open border policy that doesn't primarily filter subequatorial populations out of the mix will therefore inevitably contribute to massive increases in violent crime the more the demographic composition of white countries changes into those of Africans, Mexicans, South-Americans, Arabs, Pakistanis, and so forth.
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 No.1768829

>>1768825
Don't a lot of them at least own the shacks they live in?

 No.1768833

>>1768829
Kind of means nothing when fentanyl, fast food, and alcohol are the only industries and coal companies have poisoned the soil and the water

 No.1768839

>>1768833
I disagree that it means nothing. I think that is a partial explanation for the apparent "lack of crime". Not owning anything and having an inhrently hostile entity (landlords/bourgeois government agencies) being responsible for your home can cause people to lack respect for their surroundings.

 No.1768843

Every successful empire in the history of the world has always been cosmopolitan. Actually the idea of "Western Civilization" itself refers to the earlier Roman Empire which was also cosmopolitan as well as the Athenian Empire which was also expansionist and cosmopolitan.

The lovers of """racial science""" sure do hate it though when you point out that every significant civilization in the world that held immense sway over others and made their mark on history were hardly monoracial/monolinguistic/monocultural/etc.

So knowing that
A) Every significant civilization in world history has been cosmopolitan and
B) We want Socialist states to be as effective and powerful as possible,
that would naturally lead to
C) FORCED INTER-MIXING OF ALL NATIONS IN A GIANT MELTING POT

if you disagree then you admit that your feelz > realz

 No.1768847

>>1768843
Medieval EVROPA was also not the ethnically homogeneous closed societies they think it was (they are thinking of Japan).

Just look at how mixed England was for instance. There were people from various parts of the mainland as well as Nordic people. The royal family today are Germanics lol.



 No.1768222[Reply]

Probably been done to death but I'm a newstrag so bear with me
Bros why are western left so reluctant to platform ex muslims? Seems like so many view apostasy as oppression/offence against Islam.

>muh racism

Works some of the time I guess but major generalization
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 No.1768827

>>1768822
Polyps trying to exit the kiddie pool and debate real people

 No.1768831

>>1768725
>I think you're making abstract statements about a belief system which you do not understand.
Strange that you'd say this on an anonymous site where you have no way of knowing that. I could be the Harvard professor of Middle East Studies for all you know. The only reason I can think is that your trying to play a cheap rhetorical game where you use your supposed insider status to shut down all debate as if your personal opinions as an ex-Muslim somehow holds more weight than facts and arguments. Given that you think Islam was invented by "the Muslim empire" (Umayyad? Abbasid?) which is something no serious historian believe, I don't think the rest of your r/exMuslim tier rambling merits a response. "Islam is an evil fascist imperial ideology that teaches reaction trust me bros" Yeah I'd rather not.

>>1768822
Accepting Jesus isn't a conservative talking point. Unless your a psycho stalinist who thinks everyone from MLK to Cornell West are conservatives.

 No.1768832

>>1768222
Some good answers already. Adding mine, because liberals want to blame everything on Muslims and it makes no sense to dogpile against Muslims, further contributing to the bloodthirsty xenophobia/racism. Islam isn't that much different from other religions in the west. Although a huge issue is that mostly immigrants and poor people are Muslim, and also, a lot of US's enemies are Muslim majority countries. Maybe you didn't live it, but since 2001, the anti-muslim rhetoric was absolutely deranged and genocidal. Now it's a bit more chill but many people still feel Islam is responsible or the source of the worst of the world's evil.

 No.1768841

>>1768827
I almost prefer the unabashed Nazis of 8ch to the schizo shit that's in threads like this.

 No.1768845

>>1768831
>>1768831
>Accepting Jesus isn't a conservative talking point.
The ones who prozelytize are usually zionist evangelical nutjobs so yes it's conservative most times



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