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 No.30356[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

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 No.96772

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>>77954
We have daily and weekly IP counts now


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 No.96519[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

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 No.96781

Infrared is such a retard that he can't figure out HOW to play a puzzle game, let alone solve the puzzles.
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 No.96782

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he is soypilled
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 No.96783

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>>96765
It is not 'huge', exactly, in the grand scheme of things, it is more that twitch people are very loud and have a somewhat exaggerated sense of importance. The fact you did not know before is telling, right?
If you disagree I implore you to go ask your friends, family, co-workers or people in your org/projects if they have heard of 'Destiny, Vaush, Infared or Xandernonce' and see how they respond, i think we can both guess.
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 No.96784

>>96781
he currently cant seem to even play a vr chat program
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 No.96787

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can't make this shit up


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 No.96778[Reply]

A. This is all larp, your entire post and view of the left only shows us you have no experience with the left. fuck off.
B. Wy in the ever loving fuck should I strive to be useful to you or by your standards? Fuck off again.
you cuntnugget
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 No.96779

>You are not allowed to delete threads.
mods, i…
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 No.96780

good job retard
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 No.96786

Oh okay. Sorry


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 No.93768[Reply]

Thoughts on leftcom
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 No.96755

>>96477
I’ll savage your asshole.
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 No.96767

>>96624
Isn't that just depressing? Leftcoms are right, but what they are right about is that you are just pissing into the wind.
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 No.96774

>>95964
Holy shit, that is some high-grade autism right there. It's a nonsensical soup of vocabulary words that says nothing beyond, "they are bad, because they say bad things about us."
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 No.96776

>>93768
Stop with the meme ideologies. This isn't going anywhere. Embrace realpolitik.
Might as well be an ardent supporter of neo-bolshivik -nationalist-communist-my-little-ponyism
Conform your attitudes to pragmatic reality
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 No.96785

>>95964
>They are traitors because they try to apply a revisionist theory that is contrary to Marxism-Leninism-Maoism, and because they try to apply a revisionist theory that is contrary to Marxism-Leninism-Maoism, and they continue to apply such a revisionist theory and practice, and their practice is to turn the party into a “party of death,” a death squad, a death cult.
<They are traitors because they disagree with us, and they disagree with us, and they also disagree with us. They are a death squad.
Beyond parody.


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 No.20081[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

The western left as it exists today is completely unfit for purpose. Worse, it is composed of people who each believe that they have all the answers, when in fact all they have is fantasies. These fantasies take many forms, from the naive to the inane, from "The Third World will fix society for me!" to "And then one day, as if by magic, Americans simply rose up and overthrew the bourgeoisie and established FALC."
Countless hours are spent on displacement activities. People will argue as though it as a matter of life and death that Khrushchev's legacy be defended, that a shitposting thread on /leftypol/ takes the correct line on critically supporting North Korea, that people understand that you cannot vote your way to communism, and so on. People who have no means of conducting either reform or revolution will argue furiously for one or the other. This is an insane state of affairs. The left purportedly has ends, but it has no means.

I am here to tell you now that your ends mean nothing, because you have no means to achieve them. More importantly, I am going to suggest to you the basic means necessary to achieve anything.

First, a simple point: Communism is "the real movement which abolishes the present state of things". It is not "the theoretical movement that abolishes the present state of things." you can read every book in the Marxist canon, and if all you do is sit around reading a lot of books then your achievement will be no more meaningful than if you had read all the books of the bible. The left must be judged on what it achieves in the real world, and not on what clever ideas it has.
Second, a further point: It is important to grasp the paltry achievements of the western left in any of our lifetimes. You may want to live in a society on the Soviet model, but you're as likely to get that in the US Democratic party as you are in any of the rump Communist parties that litter the west today. Not because the Democrats are going to reform their way to socialism, but because the newspaper hawkers and front-group founders (yes, I know, "those are trotskyist stereotypes!") are never going to deliver on that goal. It is simply beyond them. It is like setting the goal of getting to the moon and choosing a bicycle as your means of getting there. Working people are never - not in any permutation of history, not in any alternate timeline - going to spontaneously recognise them as the vanguard and install them to power. The iPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.96701

>>96652
>It's attempting to clarify reality, rather than trying to make it fit some pre-existing Marxist dogma based on conditions 200 years ago: https://leftypol.org/leftypol/res/94554.html
And yet at parts its incorrect. This is my issue with people who "critique" dogma a lot of the time, and its that they are not critiquing dogma at all. More likely then not, they had a belief or view that they had brushed aside by someone else who utilized Marx in their arguments, and decided that it was not the view at fault, but some part of Marx. And this would at times be fine, but instead it sometimes goes so far as to throw Marx out wholesale, or arguably even more concernedly leads them to claim statements that their views do not actually conform fully to reality to be "dogma". Dogmatism can be an issue, sure, but this practice pollutes the term.
>In particular, it explains why most proles view the class struggle today in an anti-statist lens. There is no true pure capitalist class today, capitalism is mainly a perfunctory function performed by the state and institutions.
It's statements like these that lack any kind of understanding of the mechanisms of capitalism, or even reality. What do you even mean by "pure capitalist class"? What, the capitalist class that never had anything to do with the state whatsoever, that was never involved in any institution? So a capitalist class that practically never existed? Wow, if we define capitalist and capitalism in such terms, I guess capitalists really don't exist! How convenient! What you don't understand is that you were never supposed to treat capitalism as separate from the capitalist state. You were never supposed to draw this artificial line in which the "pure capitalists" exist here, and the state and institutions exist there, and then one day they intermixed and now the capitalist class no longer functions as one. You're observing parts of capitalism in particular vacuums, and then complaining that those vacuums no longer exist, despite them never existing in the first place. It's like you adopted an underlying capitalist libertarian worldview, and then worked from there in the opposite direction as opposed to seeing how that worldview was false in the firstPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.96704

>>96701
*or arguably even more concernedly leads them to claim statements that say their views do not actually conform fully to reality to be "dogma".
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 No.96706

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why resurrect this thread?
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 No.96720

>>96701
>What you don't understand is that you were never supposed to treat capitalism as separate from the capitalist state.
Dude, you're ascribing views to me that I've never held, just because you've seen a few of my posts on this thread. If anything, the view that you're railing against, the one that artificially separates the capitalist class from the capitalist state, is precisely the dogmatism I'm criticizing, the implicit worldview of many Leftists on this imageboard. They repeatedly and dogmatically defend the role of the state, in its noblesse oblige responsibility to distribute healthcare, or forgive student debt, or combat climate change, or provide stimulus relief, without recognizing or just outright ignoring its inherent ties to the capitalist class. In such a situation, the proles who have just simple suspicions about the ability of the state to do anything for them, are 100x more class conscious than social welfare liberal "progressives".
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 No.96775

>>96720
>Dude, you're ascribing views to me that I've never held, just because you've seen a few of my posts on this thread.
Well, I only have your posts to go off of. You arguably did this first though with my posts.
>If anything, the view that you're railing against, the one that artificially separates the capitalist class from the capitalist state, is precisely the dogmatism I'm criticizing, the implicit worldview of many Leftists on this imageboard.
"Dogmatism" is not the word I would use, because this isn't some dogmatic following of Marx like you implied. When you state you have problems with "Marxist dogma", and then take issue with a position that isn't Marxist "dogma", don't be surprised when people think you sound confused.
>They repeatedly and dogmatically defend the role of the state, in its noblesse oblige responsibility to distribute healthcare, or forgive student debt, or combat climate change, or provide stimulus relief, without recognizing or just outright ignoring its inherent ties to the capitalist class.
Depends on what is context of the state we're talking about, but if we are primarily talking about the capitalist state and not some kind of state utilized as a DoTP, then I agree in the sense that sometimes there are people who can lose sight of the fact that capital dominates the state and its functions, and any attempt at "reform" will merely result in impotent bourgeoisie politicking which not only fails in actual implementation by merit of their position over the process, but also the perpetuation of capitalism as a whole by presenting the capitalist as a necessary requirement for solutions. I know you may not want me to post Marx, but a paragraph on faux "bourgeoisie socialism" (secondary form, not the one critiquing Proudhon) is relevant. Note that he's not saying its literally socialism, but one of the positions that espouse a "socialism" that falls flat on its face and functions as nothing more then the perpetuation of capitalism:
<A second, and more practical, but less systematic, form of this Socialism sought to depreciate every revolutionary movement in the eyes of the working class by showing that no mere political reform, but only a change in the material conditions of existence, in ePost too long. Click here to view the full text.


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 No.93358[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

I’ll tell you the truth, I had a long conversation with my parents where they more or less called me out for being a fucking coward that has beliefs I do absolutely nothing with. And they’re right, having communist beliefs and sitting with them is fucking cowardly, and I’m sick of being this way, I want to make a real difference, a communist who does nothing should have no right to call himself a communist. I’ just looked up US communist parties but the list was so long, can anyone narrow down a decent party that’s actually helping people?
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 No.96746

>>96655
Negative views of socialism or negative views of what socialists present as "socialism"? https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/412552-majority-of-republicans-say-the-support-medicare-for-all-poll

I understand socialism to be "further Left" from the standpoint of world history, but *not* simply the furthest Left position on the political compass. That sort of socialism tacitly accepts the neoliberal framework of what "Left" and "Right" means politically in the first place. Actual socialism stakes out its own political positions without relying on the political compass to determine those positions for them. It would understand itself as a historical force in its own right, rather than a dog on a leash led around by neoliberalism.

>Pushing policies that improve the material conditions of working class people and building working class power.

This is just vague virtue signalling. What's your plan, concretely, to "push policies that improve the material conditions of working class people"? What's your plan, concretely, to "build working class power"? Do you even realize, that the Democrats use the same exact rhetoric you are using, precisely to destroy and absorb popular movements? You haven't distinguished yourself from a basic neolib using such rhetoric.

>Because it doesn't have the problems that I highlighted with the Republican Party.

What are even the "remotely desirable results" you are looking for? Democrats don't need to be anti-socialist in their rhetoric because they can just be anti-worker in their institutions and their actions. You on the other hand are being gullible and taking their rhetoric at face value. There's a reason they're called the graveyard of social movements. They're expecting an attack from the Left that they can then absorb into the machine. Why not just try a different approach for once?
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 No.96748

>>96724
>It'd like infiltrating the local Chamber of Commerce or association of real estate agents. I can't stand them.
And? What's wrong with infiltrating the Chamber of Commerce?

Sounds like a YOU problem tbh. Infiltrating the Democratic Party, even though we just tried and failed with Bernie? Yeah let's keep banging our head against a brick wall. Infiltrating the Republican Party? "Ugh, too yucky and dirty for me."

If you were in any way actually committed to socialism, you'd put the needs of working class people above your personal distaste for this or that strategy.
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 No.96749

>>96748
Do you know what a Chamber of Commerce is? I think you're confusing me with someone else because I never posted anything about infiltrating any of the bourgeois ruling-class American political "parties," which just seems like a waste of time and energy.

If you want to join the Republican Party and knock on doors to help Ted Cruz's re-election campaign, the local GOP here is recruiting volunteers just like you. You don't have to wait around for us, or find excuses not do it. Go "hog" wild, you pig.
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 No.96757

>>96749
>I never posted anything about infiltrating any of the bourgeois ruling-class American political "parties"
Well I did, and you were responding to me. OP asked about an electoral strategy. Are you so fucking illiterate you just jump into a thread without reading the OP?

If you think joining political parties is a waste of time, which I agree with on a certain level, then post in a different, non-electoral-politics thread you fucking illiterate twat.

Infiltrating the Republican Party means propping up your own chosen candidates, not some right wing establishment party politician like Ted Cruz. Use fucking common sense for once.
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 No.96773

>>96746
>Negative views of socialism or negative views of what socialists present as "socialism"? https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/412552-majority-of-republicans-say-the-support-medicare-for-all-poll
Both socialism and progressive economic policies. That same poll found that 86% of Democrats support Medicare for all, which is substantially higher than the 52% of Republicans that supported it. While it is clearly possible to get Republicans to support Medicare for All and other progressive economic policies, it is even easier to get Democrats to do so.
>What's your plan, concretely, to "push policies that improve the material conditions of working class people"?
Policy-wise, mainly your usual social democratic policies, like universal healthcare, free college, higher minimum wage, social housing, etc.
> What's your plan, concretely, to "build working class power"?
Labor unions, tenant unions, worker cooperatives, and, eventually, political party(s). I tentatively support the dirty break strategy for socialists to get elected to office as Democrats, but break off and form an independent party once they've gained enough strength. Such socialists would belong to a "pre-party" organization like DSA. I would also advice socialists to advocate for electoral reforms like proportional representation and the abolition of the electoral college, as they would make it easier for third parties to get elected.
>What are even the "remotely desirable results" you are looking for?
Getting leftist candidates elected in the short run, and getting progressive policies passed in the long run. US Congress currently has more self-identified socialists in it than it has at any previous time in US history. We don't have Medicare for All, and those socialists didn't even want to force a vote on it, but it's a start. It will take a lot of time and effort before a powerful leftist movement can emerge.


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 No.92837[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

But seriously, I just want to get this aside. And sorry if this has been discussed many of times (feel free to also link me to another board where this has been discussed). But what is really the appeal of National Bolshevism? It just seems very incoherent to me and just a hodgepodge of right wing and left wing ideas that is ultimately anti-liberal. If you want to have an effect on the world, shouldn't you have a more coherent ideology? Due to its incoherence it just seems more like a social club to me. Or like an aimless petty bourg movement. Does any Nazbol have a more or less unified theory on how human society develops (like Marxism)?
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 No.96717

>>96708
>Sorry anon, I don't have studies saved at hand to reference on demand. The studies on the infograph are real though, and can be found with a Google search.
That's not just what I asked, I asked if you read the sources. I didn't ask if you got the infographics from Google and frankly if you actually did, then why should I trust them at all?
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 No.96744

>>96708
>Yeah it's so pseudoscientific that it needs to be censored rather than ridiculed.
Do you think the North Koreans allow white supremacist propaganda to be distributed in their country denigrating and insulting their people and calling them inferior? Lol…

>>96708
>Anyways I'm off.
Translation: I'm a bitch with an Anglo cuck brain and I can't handle this!!!
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 No.96752

>>96708
Don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out, you sissy cuck.
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 No.96754

>>96272
Одобряю, нахрен
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 No.96766

>>96711
>pic
The Nazbols also agree with liberals and leftcoms that DPRK is a fascist ethnostate.

In all 3 cases, it's Orientalism in service of a political agenda.


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 No.92259[Reply]

after the usa is gone who will defend capitalism? my guess is china will defend capitalism while pretending not to.
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 No.93692

>>92511
UK has utterly cuckbelted itself to the US.
When the US falls the UK falls.

But yeah final showdown is basically shaping up to be EU v. China with Russia and India being the the deciders of who they hate more and are thus more likely to side with.
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 No.93695

>>92259
>my guess is china will defend capitalism while pretending not to.
You know iv'e actually been thinking about this myself for a while, China is clearly what the liberal technocrats want to implement in the west (aka "Great reset") a Poor mans knockoff """"""""Communi$m""""""""" built entirely to preserve capitalism (in particular modern western financial capitalism).
The society we have seen china evolve into since the dismantlement of socialism under Deng is basically what the Technocrats want to implement in the west but with a gigantic smiley face on it.

Gigantic Megaopolis's where people do gig economy shit for just enough money to survive all while being lorded over by a tecgnocratic caste, All supported by a massive pool of agricultural labour in countryside.
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 No.93741

>>92259
Yet another post that starts with the premise that there always will be a nation which is all powerful and able to enforce capitalism

Capitalism is dependent on the USA survival. First to force everyone to be capitalist. Second through providing consumer demand to buy everything. Other nations may be able to buy some stuff but not as much as USA
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 No.93777

>>93677
well what was actually said was they weren't gonna return to mao-era planning

which was not a very good era of "peasants should make steel in their backyards"
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 No.96756

>>93663
Why are they allowing EU foreign direct investment then? That means you have to pay porky to nationalize their businesses.


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 No.87360[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Containment thread for the lowest forms of internet discussion:
💩 Social Media Screenshots
📞 E-celeb Gossip
🕸️ Internet Happenings
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 No.96734

>>96581
jesus fucking christ this makes my blood boil
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 No.96735

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>>96730
No shit, you saw how so many people unironically started getting into traps after it was just an internet meme at the beginning. People definitely fruity in america and europe
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 No.96736

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>>96731
This is the far-right now.
picrel, I hope Prager gets the same treatment
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 No.96741

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>>96735
Unpopular opinion: Chan culture is a vehicle for Sexual Liberation.
I unironically believe that for a lot of us online millennials 4chan and *chan culture, for all that the media decries it in 2020, helped us come to terms and understand our complex or not so sexualities. Especially considering a good ton were being brought up in 'bible belt' america which is VERY strictly hetronormative… I had a friend from there sent to a camp when he was a teenager like it was fucking 1933, except by *his own parents*.
I just found this image when searching a suitable one for this post, but yes. Unironically this, and I also live with a 'trap'.
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>>96736
Hi Pim,. I'm not sorry.. :)


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 No.96075[Reply]

Why Everyone calls me a nazi while i use wehraboo humour in ocassions like memes or jokes im somehow likely a Nazbol tier or something. I only like hitler for his biography but i do hate him for his imperialism.And also i love prussian marches (specially with NVA) and nazi occultism.
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 No.96205

you faggots are so edgy and anti human it’s sad really
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 No.96222

>>96182
> how does it feel to be totally cucked by the jews for over half a century, hans?
I’ve met quite a few jews, decent lads and lasses the lot of them, some could drink like a motherfucker, others were more quiet and reserved, some fucked a lot, most didn’t; all in all regular folks I’d say. Most of them sure loved their weed.
Almost every conservatard or rightoid I’ve met was an actual fucking loser and moron though.
Anyway why are you here, stormfag? Chaddamn stole your gf?
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 No.96252

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>>96198
bruh he deleted it! noooooo
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 No.96732

>>96187
I've never posted pictures of myself here but it's nice to know I'm not the only nazi tranny kek
also I miss the transhumanist filter tbh
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 No.96739

Moved to >>>/b/13983.


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