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CORE THEORY
>The Society of the Spectacle (1967) by Guy Debord
📖 • https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/debord/society.htm
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<The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction (1936) by Walter Benjamin

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>>2615818
This is another lib talking point masquerading as pro working class activism. Studies have consistently pointed out that anti reformist/abolitionist demands are practically non existent among the working classes.

>>2615841
To use an example: abolition of police and its replacement with community policing. Again, community policing works the best in neighbourhoods with high level of trust and high communal solidarity, which is absolutely not the case in diverse, majority immigrant prole neighbourhoods. Same with prison abolitionism, nobody in the working class want that. This is another case of treatlers advocating their class interests in the name of the marginalized

>>2615638
It's funny cuz Trump is even more subhuman but Clavicular supports him.

>>2615843
Prison and police abolitionists (literally just anarchists) are so upsetting to me.
I once saw an argument unfold where one side sincerely chastised and berated a communist for serving on a jury to convict a fucking rapist and send them to jail, simply because ACAB or something.
Absolutely fucking insane. We have a lot of work to do in the American left to excise this anarchist utopian bullshit after BLM (a movement which I admit did more good than harm, it just has a lot vistigial side effects that must be done away with after the fact)

>>2615841
There are reformist strategies that benefit the working class, just that nobody runs on them.
And they dont6 last anyway without non electoral organizing.

Rule of thumb is that directly providing necessities is better for the working class than reducing costs.



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Musk is basically building Marx's utopia faster and better than any revolution ever could.Marx wanted full automation to end wage slavery – we hunt, fish, philosophize all day. Musk? Optimus robots, AI killing jobs, and he pushes UBI hard so everyone lives off abundance. "To each according to need" without the gulags.

Environment: Marx saw capitalism wrecking the planet. Musk's Tesla + solar is ending oil dependency and fixing the metabolic rift through tech.

Space: To beat scarcity for good, we need insane productive forces. SpaceX/Mars = literally expanding the means of production off-Earth. Asteroid mining, multi-planetary life – end of resource wars.

Neuralink: Overcomes alienation by merging us with machines, making everyone super-intelligent and creative. Real "free development of each."

Bureaucracy: We know planned economies turned into party dictatorships. Musk hates regulators, builds decentralized stuff (Starlink, X, crypto). Tech makes the state obsolete naturally.

Historical materialism 101: Communism comes AFTER capitalism maxes out productive forces. Musk is doing exactly that – turbo mode. Past attempts jumped the gun and crashed.Why wait for the proletariat to rise when rockets are landing weekly and robots are coming next year? Marx would be geeking out over reusable boosters if he were alive.Drop the red flags, grab the Tesla logo. The future's happening now.Thoughts? Still think I'm a lib or starting to see it?
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>>2615852
Hey anon, you're raising some dark transhumanist dystopia vibes, but let's stay materialist and dialectical here instead of slipping into conspiracy idealism.Automation doesn't make proletarian struggle obsolete – it transforms it. The contradiction between exploding productive forces (AI, robots) and private ownership sharpens to the breaking point. Marx always said communism becomes possible only when the material base is ready; struggle isn't eternal class war for its own sake, it's the midwife of the new society. When machines produce abundance, the old basis for exploitation crumbles. No need for violent uprising if the system already delivers post-scarcity – the proletariat "wins" by default.Population culling? That's pure paranoia, no material basis. Musk literally talks about falling birth rates as the biggest threat and wants humanity to become multi-planetary with billions (trillions eventually) of people. His whole thing is maximizing conscious life in the universe, not Thanos-snapping the proles.Class structure in the endgame: yeah, it withers away. When AI and robots handle production and UBI (or eventually "universal high income" as Musk calls it) covers everyone, ownership of the means becomes irrelevant – abundance makes money obsolete, classes dissolve because there's no more extraction of surplus value. The "controllers of AI" fear is idealist: open-source trends, competition, and the logic of abundance itself will democratize access. Neuralink and Grok aren't locked vaults; they're scaling to everyone.Stateless, moneyless, classless? Exactly. That's the higher phase of communism Marx described. Only difference: we get there through accelerated capitalist development of tech (thesis) clashing with its own limits (antithesis), leading to synthesis – not through premature seizure of an underdeveloped material base like in the 20th century experiments.Pets? Nah. Musk's vision is every human upgraded, free to explore art, science, space. The real risk isn't elite pet-keeping; it's us refusing to seize the new productive forces because we're stuck romanticizing old forms of struggle.Dialectically, this is the actual path to "from each according to ability, to each according to need." Faster, cleaner, and with reusable rockets.Thoughts?

Leaving this here

>>2615867
CHADgpt destroying revisionist neofeudalists

>>2615871
actually its grok

>>2615867
> When machines produce abundance
This is what Ezra Klein actually believes



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>>2615674
Imagine being a lanklet ukronazi drone operator sitting at a computer all day and thinking that when Russia bombs your HQ you will be dining with buff vikings with swords and shit.

>>2615148
>neoliberals privatize the power grid and sell everything off to foreign investors
>no new investments are made into the power grid since all the money is going instead to stockholder dividends
>inevitable collapse in basic utilities
<WTF THIS IS RUSSIA'S FAULT
do euroids really believe this shit?

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dennis kasputin (White Rex) arrived in Germany from Russia with a special visa for Jewish refugees

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>According to SPIEGEL research, Kapustin and his family traveled from Russia to Germany for the first time in 2001. Not as a Russian late resettler, but as a Jewish contingent refugee. In official German, the Kapustin family was henceforth a "special case" due to their supposedly Jewish origin. Only a few months after his entry, Denis Kapustin received an indefinite residence permit.


https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/rechtsextremer-kampfsportler-der-neonazi-krieger-aus-moskau-a-1253163.html

Today's GIVAS news: Canada has just agreed to give another $2.5B to the green goblin

>>2615865
Almost everyone in Ukraine has some amount of Jewish and Tatar root due to the history of the region. Lots of refuseniks in the 90s used that to claim Jewish identity for themselves



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Laos is the most unpopular and least talked about communist country, nut just in regard to the media and the press but even here! We don’t even have a Laotian flag! I don’t even know what Laos is like geopolitically, I don’t know weather it’s really close to Russia and China like how Cuba and the DPRK are or if it’s cucked to America like Vietnam. I would of thought that the most bombed country on earth would come up more in political discourse.
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>>2615815
Kaysone

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>>2615817
Let me elaborate on my reply, he is practically forgotten from mainstream Marxist history, but he was of Vietnamese descent, and he was able to successfully diffuse ethnic tensions in Laos unlike what happened over in Thailand and Cambodia.
I interpret the Laotian civil war to have been three way, between communists, monarchists, and pro democracy activists, and his victory saw him stating that Laos would approach communism by skipping the capitalist stage but I could be making shit up. A lot of his efforts was alright in the short run, but Laos would later become pretty corrupt, much of the same families who ruled Laos back during the French era would still end up in the Communist party.
He liberalized the economy, but on a smaller scale than Gorbachev and Deng. It's going really well right now because it's a landlocked country and it got bombed a billion times. Most people in Laos are apolitical, and they are more friendly than their neighbors.
He saw it better off to not have infighting, and didn't want his own specific ideology, but his successors preferred him having his own.
A lot of the elites in Laos are from Vietnam, and a lot of stuff is sold to Chinese investment companies. Laos is more of a free country than Thailand or Cambodia right now, it's not that bad.
He also once purged 10% of the country since they were intellectuals. A lot of brain drain, too, but the fact not much is not known about the Hmong insurgency in Laos is proof that they're able to keep the country together.
https://www.mlreadinghub.org/articles/articles/kaysone-phomvihane-the-life-of-a-revolutionary


>>2615862
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Man%27s_Rebellion
Also, there was a rebellion to install a theocracy fourty years before the Pathet Lao revolution
Along with an Opium war between Laos and Burma
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_Opium_War
It's impressive how the country still survives

No one here is from Laos and both it and Vietnam have fully abandoned socialism.



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Get them recruited
Get them trained
Get them armed
Get them shipped
Get them turned into mincemeat

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WAR? NO
=NEVER NEVER WAR

>>2615566
First sentence:
>stalinist bureaucrats
Yeah no thanks

>>2615802
>sees one no-no expression
>brain turns off
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>>2615797
What if the war is anti-imperialist?

war: poor young men being used as cannon fodder for rich paedophiles; the final virtue of a wicked society.



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The absolute state of the discourse on this board lately is pathetic. It’s almost 2026 and I’m still seeing "socialists" parroting CIA talking points like they’re reading from the Black Book of Communism. It’s time to filter the radlibs and the ultras who care more about moral purity than winning.

If we actually apply historical materialism instead of utopian wish-casting, it becomes obvious that Stalin and Deng aren't just "good" – they are the two greatest practitioners of Marxism in history because they did what Western leftists refuse to do: they prioritized the survival of the revolution over the approval of the bourgeoisie.

1. Stalin: The Shield
Stop crying about "authoritarianism" and read Losurdo. His Critique of a Black Legend completely exposes how the "millions dead" narrative is just recycled Nazi war propaganda that the West adopted during the Cold War. The "Holodomor" wasn't a genocide; it was a combination of kulak sabotage and cyclical drought that the Soviets eventually ended through collectivization. Stalin understood that you don't survive capitalist encirclement with good vibes. He took a country of wooden plows and turned it into a nuclear superpower in a single generation. He purged the fifth columnists because he knew a war of annihilation was coming. Without that "authoritarianism," the Wehrmacht would have wiped the Slavs off the map.

2. Deng: The Sword
The hate for Deng is even more embarrassing. You guys claim to care about the poor but hate the man who oversaw the greatest poverty alleviation program in human history? Deng understood that "poverty is not socialism." He developed the productive forces necessary to compete with the West. And regarding 1989: He saved China from the fate of the USSR. Tiananmen was a textbook color revolution, backed by Western NGOs and intelligence. Deng saw Gorbachev selling out to Pizza Hut and realized that sometimes you have to crush a counter-revolution to preserve the Dictatorship of the Proletariat. Because he had the spine to do that, China is now mogging the US economy while Russia spent the 90s getting looted by oligarchs.

TL;DR
Parenti said it best in Blackshirts and Reds: you people want a revolution without a revolution. You want a clean, safe process that never makes mistakes and never exercises power. That doesn't exist. Stalin secured the state; Deng secured the economy. If you reject them, you’re not Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2615809
The only argument dengoids have is "must develop productive forces", everything else is fluff.

>>2615850
>everything I dislike or don't even understand is a religion
Miss me with that lib mindset.

>>2615851
There should be objective analysis on the strenghts and weknesses of their policies instead of viewing these through lens of propaganda.

>>2615857
>material conditions of millions of workers improving in record time
<is just fluff brah

>>2615859
You need both.



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Why is it that the quote "The right looks for converts, the left looks for heretics", applies so well? Will the left cease to grow in the West for another century? Will there be a left wing revolution in this decade?

Wdym by 'western left'?

>>2615774
the embryonic stalinist western left that's currently organizing, agitating and educating after the collapse of populist democratic socialism, hopefully.

>>2615776
One can only hope it's not the Trotskyists getting popular again

>>2615790
Even trots are slowly becoming stalinists, even of they don't realize it

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marxists have a lot of work to do but i have a feeling that letting things lie is going to be necessary for now. the ruling class did a number on the left after 2008, because i imagine they were malding and pissing their pants thinking about americans gaining class consciousness, so they dialed up the propaganda to 1488% and conflated marxism with completely irrelevant idpol and made all leftists to be sjws, blue haired annoying cat ladies, condescending and pedophilic transhumanists, juvenile idealistic college students, etc. i believe this was intentional so that they could support the white nationalist element that had been waiting in the wings and this manifested with the rise of /pol/, gamergate, etc. as a reaction to "leftists" who wanted to force progressive politics on everyone. they wanted americans to think the blue hairs were going to stick everyone in concentration camps, so that naturally fascism would be the only reasonable response to this. i think the work of marxists is america today is the task of showing how all of this is in fact bourgeois manipulation, a veritable platonic puppet show where the public was made to ignore their material conditions in favor of internet drama, and to point out how fascism will always throw people under the bus because it's just a ruling class panic button, not some kind of "alternative" to capitalism. as the economic situation tightens and eventually collapses into yet another 2008, we have to make sure the same mistakes are not repeated. we live in a post-meme world now, and the left must ramp up meme production as this serves as the only real method of information and news that most americans digest.



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>>2615632
i would fuck that juicy peach

Is gold and silver worth getting into right now? Is it worth sitting on a bunch of metals and cashing out at peak?

>>2615837
I recommend funkopops instead.

>>2615655
In that scenario, the third world would have allied with the USSR and the us would have been starved of resouces
I hope the us continues to be more overt in their racism

Also it's important to note that on the outside to those uninitiated, that reverence for Marx and his thought can appear religious or maybe arbitrary but…

The more you read about theory, even contemporarily, on politics and the more you witness the average westerner try and fail to understand the mechanisms of world politics, it becomes ever apparent that Marx was one of history's greatest geniuses and we are so lucky that he dedicated his life to proving his theories.

He's fucking incredible. It blows my mind every single time I read him just how thorough and empirically correct he was and continues to be. It's a fucking miracle we have his works to learn from and without him I honestly don't know if humanity would have a chance to survive at all



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