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🗽UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅
< Bismarck & Lassalle Edition

🏈 💵Thread for hellish discussion of the Dying Burger Reich and the pedophile Hitlerite-Zionist clique of the American bourgeoisie and its iron grip upon the greatest bigliest country McGod™ ever gave McMan™ on the face of the McEarth™🌭 🍔

>Things are going to continue to happen in the stupidest ways possible that no one really takes seriously, where every single person compulsively reacts with either cynical grifting or useless panic and appealing to a political system of liberal democracy that is entirely dead and irrelevant. things will continue to get gradually worse, more people will lose their jobs and homes, the most destitute and marginalized will be oppressed by state-backed domestic terrorism, but the decay will simply continue and everyone who isn't actively being imprisoned and forced into slavery or outright exterminated will simply ignore it and maintain a cognitive dissonance of believing a civil war is happening while living their lives in a mostly normal fashion. The death of the United States will be slow, painful, and insufferably annoying and stupid.

<Death to the scourge of the earth, the destroyer of nations, the father of fascism, the enabler of ethnostates, the treatlerite tyrant, the protector of pedophiles, the exporter of ecocide, the captain of capitalism, the king of coups, the sultan of sanctions, the emir of the embargo, the autocrat of austerity, the doge of deregulation, the baron of busting unions, the prince of privatization, the lord of loan sharks, the patron-saint of proxy wars, the sponsor of settlers, the guarantor of genocides, the invader of islands, the Divided $nakkkes of Amerikkka™

🛠️ Strike Tracker ⚒️
https://striketracker.ilr.cornell.edu/

🇺🇸 Deeds of the Burger Reich 🇺🇸
https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/us_atrocities.md
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>>2570045
>aka not a lot of people. Most of the US and Europe live in poverty.
relative poverty to others in the imperial core, maybe, but not absolute poverty, which is defined internationally, I think as something like living on less than $2.15 per person, per day a day (as of 2022)

>>2570228
hard disagree. you should do things even if you don't expect them to succeed, rather than declare you have already succeeded, and use them as an excuse not to do things. continuing to try even after demoralizing failure is the foundation of practical experience. having low expectations is the foundation of realism. people have unrealistic expectations, lofty unachievable goals, and give up after facing very little adversity. a person can fight even in a battle where they expect they might die.

>>2570216
>in a matter of months, the same people who lauded student encampments as the peak of Palestine solidarity are now celebrating a mayor who rewarded the police commissioner who cracked the skulls of these protesters.
actually existing pessimism (realistic, admitting we have a lot more work to do in an uphill battle)
>Honestly I think Trump is just a dullard and Mamdani is extremely charismatic and convinced Donald's goofy ass that actually social democracy is good.
actually existing optimism (naive, declaring we have already won because mamdani did the 100 speechcraft meme on trump)

>>2570230
>rather than declare you have already succeeded, and use them as an excuse not to do things
I didn't say or imply anything like that. On the contrary I think optimism is a reason to fight even harder. People are a lot more likely to struggle if they think they can win.

>>2570216
I fucking swear Nerdeen is a Zionist plant.



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>>2570212
>Since the start of the Russian invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, discussion of the Ukrainian far right has been verboten in western media, largely because one of Vladimir Putin’s stated war aims is the “denazification” of Ukraine. Putin’s claim that Ukraine is a Nazi state has been recycled by Russian propagandists and the western party line has consistently been that while the Ukrainian military does have far-right strains, they are marginal and inconsequential. This may have been true in 2022, but things have changed significantly after almost four years of war. Today, far-right figures control some of Ukraine’s strongest military units, and neo-Nazi ideology is displayed openly in the Ukrainian ranks.

Talk about trying to have it both ways.

You cant have democracy under martial law. Its simply impossible to have votes when you are being bombed and civilians are targeted indiscriminately with missile and drone weapons

>>2570232
??? Ukraine will refuse elections even during peace because of "le occupation"

>>2570227
At the same time both small enough to not warrant talking about but integral enough for the defence so as not to be purged.
Schrodinger's nazi or something, idk.

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>>2570191
china's position.

>On November 17, the United Nations Security Council (UNSC) adopted Resolution 2803 (2025), which sets out proposed post-war arrangements for the Palestinian territory of Gaza. The resolution was adopted with 13 votes in favour and no votes against. China and Russia abstained from the vote. As permanent members of the Security Council, a negative vote by either country would have vetoed the resolution.


>Following the vote, China’s UN Ambassador Fu Cong made an explanatory statement. He began by stating that:


>“Gaza, brutalised by two years of war, is a land of ruins in dire need of rebuilding. Over two million people continue to live in deprivation and struggle in displacement. China supports the Security Council in taking all necessary actions to achieve a lasting ceasefire, relieve the humanitarian disaster, and launch post-war reconstruction to rekindle the hope of peace and development for the people in Gaza.”


>However, he added: “Regrettably, the draft resolution that was just voted on is lacking in many respects and is deeply worrisome” and went on to set out four points in this regard:


>The draft resolution is vague and unclear on many critical elements. The penholder requests the Council to authorise the establishment of a Board of Peace and international stabilisation force, which will play a key role in the post-war governance in Gaza. It should have explained in details their structure, composition, terms of reference, and criteria of participation, among others… However, the draft resolution contains skimpy details on these critical elements.

The draft resolution does not demonstrate the fundamental principle of Palestinians governing Palestine. Gaza belongs to the Palestinian people, not to anyone else. Any post-war arrangements must respect the will of the Palestinian people… The draft resolution outlines post-war governance arrangements for Gaza, but it seems that Palestine is barely visible in it, and the Palestinian sovereignty and ownership are not fully reflected.
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>>2570184
rural is more pro-cpc than the city dwellers according to harvard studies because they're seeing more rapid transformation in recent times.
>The responses from survey participants in rural areas, however, surprised the researchers, particularly over time. “We did not anticipate how quickly both low-income citizens and people from less-developed regions in China closed the satisfaction gap with high-income citizens and people from the coastal areas,” Cunningham added.
>The surveys found that rural residents, generally poorer than those in cities, had more optimistic attitudes about inequality than their wealthier urban counterparts. The team’s analysis ties the closing of this satisfaction gap between rich and poor, as well as coastal and hinterland populations, to several policies including local budget spent on healthcare, welfare and education, and paved roads per capita.

while, the export-oriented manufactruing model that prevailed in the 90s and 2000s resulted in prosperity in key export urban regions like the Pearl River and Yangtze River deltas, there's been a post-GFC shift to domestic housing and infrastracture which started to spread development more equitably to the interior of the country outside the coast export process regions.

china's regional disparity has been shrinking for the past two decades due to targeted poverty alleviation initiatives.

fujian was the only coastal province among the top 10 fastest growing the past decade but no coastal province was in the top 10 in the past two decades. from 2010 - 2023, rural disposable income/capita 4xed, while urban disposable income/capita roughly 2.5xed. and it's not just income, world bank paper shows how “in-kind” health & education transfers are a major form of socioeconomic redistribution in China as well

another study shows the inequality gap between educational outcomes in rural and ruban areas is shrinking.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10877417/

the inequality gap in health outcomes between rural and urban areas is narrowing as well
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Facts:

1. If China simply declared that it will not sell anything to Israel, all that would achieve is that intermediary countries would step in and launder Chinese exports through their own economies. There are many, many countries in the Middle East and along the coast of the Mediterranian Sea that would be ready to do this. The EU tried the same against Russia and spectularly failed. Israel might face increasing import costs across its economy because of all the middlemen, but it won't collapse, especially if US increases its ever-increasing support of Israel to counter these effects.

2. Continuing the EU-Russia sanctions analogy, there is a certain difference between Chinese and Russian exports. China excels in industrial production, something that can be theoretically done anywhere when looking at a particular product, unlike hydrocarbons which only some countries possess in sufficient quantities for export, or even just for fulfilling domestic demand. What makes China the best is that it can manufacture individual goods at a reasonable cost because every other industrial good is also produced there in that single country, and vertical integration pushes down their costs. Therefore a theoretical Chinese sanction against Israel could also lead to a wave of import substition policies to satisfy Israeli demand among countries that are subservient towards the US and Israel. While import costs would also increase for Israel, on the long term this would help and not hurt Israel, because it and its allies would become insulated from Chinese economic pressure. It would also make secondary sanctions against countries supporting Israel ineffective. To be fair, this scenario is kind of unlikely because even the US is failing at decoupling from China, but it shows how hard is it to sanction a country in practice and it could work to a limited extent, possibly having the opposite effect on Israel's strength than what China could hope to achieve.

3. The only realistic way to sanction Israel, or any country really, would be to blockade its land borders and seaports. This would mean a military action Israel. Israel would obviously go to war to break the siege and they might even get a taste of what they themselves were doing in Gaza. The problem is that China's military capabilities, as strong as they are, are not geared towards controlling the chokepoints of global trade and acting as the world police. Only an imperialist power would develPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2570202
For real or you're just shitting of me?

>>2570234
China is socialist. In Stalin's last work, he was also shitting on theorycels who refused to acknowledge that USSR had a market economy



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Guesswork and futurology, write thoughts for what the state of the world may be or look like in 2050.
I will not start with a kick off. Start guessing what will happen, make a bingo or something.
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>>2569657
The money of the boomers isn't going to go to the average person though, it's being funnelled into corporations who will use it to rape the average person even more

Everyone will be gay, black or chinese

>>2569626
The antibiotics will stop working and the Black Plague will rise again

>>2569665
This.

And that's terrible.

Climate change maxxing and the brutal and titanic downfall of global capitalism as a system and rise of survival communism.



 

Leftypol could really learn something from Athenian democracy and the story of Aristides.
The fact Athenian democracy worked so well is what saved them numerous times especially from the advances of the Persian forces.
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>>2569929
>naturally it lends itself into the leadership of one actual man.
Completely unnecessary in modern age as you can easily vote on policies on the internet. The real problem is monopoly of violence but even that can be solved with an armed proletariat.

Paul Cockshott on elections.

>>2569934
Surprisingly good analysis he seems like a sincere man.

>>2555251
That makes you a liability to everyone around you, and they’re perfectly justified in treating you like a pariah

>>2569919
>waifu larper



 

>By the spring of 2024, a newly sober Isenberg felt like she could finally stop performing all the time and just be herself, a complex human being who was still learning. She planned to spend the summer living with her parents while saving up money. In the fall, she would become the first person in her family to attend a four-year college. Then she got pregnant.

>The news brought a “sense of dread,” says Isenberg. Her first thought was strong and immediate: I’m not going to have a baby. After a friend had described having an abortion, Isenberg’s own mindset had started to shift. She’d begun to think of herself as pro-choice. It wouldn’t be the end of the world, she thought, if I had an abortion. This is something I’m allowed to do.


>It may seem strange that Isenberg would reach out to Turner in this moment. But she was feeling stressed, sick, and confused and wanted to have a backup plan just in case she didn’t go through with the abortion. She knew Turner—who’d also recently left PAAU but whose politics were growing more, not less, conservative—would try to talk her out of it, but she’d also recently seen Turner using her social media platforms to raise money for pregnant women and mothers in need. Isenberg had less than $100 in her bank account. If she changed her mind, she would be in dire need of financial help.


>“I was also thinking, This is Kristin Turner, the girl I was friends with,” remembers Isenberg. “I wasn’t thinking, She is acting as a vessel for people who are much more powerful than her.”


>Turner put Isenberg in touch with an organization that gave money to women with “crisis pregnancies.” She also asked for Isenberg’s address so she could send her a care package and promised a McDonald’s breakfast if Isenberg agreed to get her ultrasound at a crisis pregnancy center instead of the Charlotte Planned Parenthood (Isenberg declined the latter).


>Isenberg expected Turner and members of PAAU to offer her “counseling” and a lecture on the psychological impacts of abortion and how carrying out a pregnancy is a “nonviolent choice.” She assumed they’d ask their Instagram followers to “say a prayer for my friend who’s chosen the heartbreak of abortion,” as she’d once posted for others. But she believed that in the end, they’d respect he
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>PAAU bitch gets her comeuppance
oh no. oh dear

>>2568466
She became pro-choice before her abortion.

Is it fascism yet, or do we need gay ass military marches LARPing as ancient rome?

>>2567854
I’ll let comrades in Memphis know this.



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A thread focused on discussing the parasocial relationships cultivated by the Almighty Algorithm to generate profit off of our atomization and society's commodification of petty internet drama.
Brace through the hyper-real lacanian void together!

Reminder That None of This Is Real!
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CORE THEORY
>The Society of the Spectacle (1967) by Guy Debord
📖 • https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/debord/society.htm
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0blWjssVoUQ

<The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction (1936) by Walter Benjamin

📖 • https://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/ge/benjamin.htm
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>>2570174
Fidel cameo

>american leftists arent fascist
The brown represents fascism and the white represents menshevism

>>2570199
>guy who spends all his time shitposting on a genocidal Nazi billionaire propaganda website whining about unethical consumption
bruh

>>2570200
I think you are projecting. You are ultra infantile leftist if you think rightist spaces shouldnt be infiltrated and wrecked. The point is that these dick riders think brown and white are socialist colors

>>2570201
You aren't doing anything of the sort BE, lol. Who do you think you're fooling? This is just entertainment and a bad attempt to be a low-tier e-celeb influencer.



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ITT: we come up with direct replacements for misleading, recuperated, overly-verbose or scary socialist terms.

This isn't for anti-censorship codewords or downplaying our values, this is about sharing words and phrases that avoid someone mid-conversation having to ask "what the fuck is a 'proletariat'?", and "aren't dictatorships bad, even if the dictator is a proletarian?", confusions which could all be avoided by not being out-of-touch academic wankers.

comic rel is obviously a joke, don't be an idiot and waste time critiquing it.
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>>2568420
The basic idea is good but you're operating from the unfortunate misunderstanding that the point of communism is to actually deliver communism. That's the idea, but it's not what happens in practice. The point in practice is more like a religion, a set of symbols and doctrines that make you better than others, that let you judge people based on how well they've memorized their catechism, etc. Marx would hate it, but as good materialists we must analyze what is rather than what we would like to be.

Thus people like
>>2568425 (no! the bible must be in latin!)
>>2568432 (latin isn't even that hard to translate!)
>>2568521 , >>2568550 (yes, yes, the bible is all very good but the task before all TRUE christians is to prevent constantinople falling to the saracens!)
>>2568555 (actually, all the Christians I've met have both the time and inclination to read and write latin. who've you been hanging out with?)
>>2568591 ( “When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’ ’The question is,’ said Alice, ‘whether you can make words mean so many different things.’ ’The question is,’ said Humpty Dumpty, ‘which is to be master — that’s all.”)

It's a shame because the whole thing really is a good idea, it's just totally let down by the people implementing it. All that stuff about turning the other cheek, rich men not getting into heaven, banger after banger after banger, but then the cunts came on board and selected a random grab-bag of nonsense to canonize and now we're sitting around critically supporting one set of obvious heathens against another while the forces of the devil advance day by day. Bleakly, if we stick with the ChristPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2569925
pseud drivel

>>2569931
sure, i am a pseud. what are you? you're certainly not a communist in any material sense. the point is to change it, and you will change nothing.

>>2569925
Forced analogies are not materialist analysis lol, the exact opposite in fact.

>>2569925
Its the same russian pseud shitting up threads recently



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