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>>2575567
They can't simply because they have no reserve industry to "activate" in the event of a full scale war. Russia gutted and looted its own industries in the 80's and 90's and now it's a fraction of what it once was from the USSR. But they are still there, the plants and material assets are all ready to be centralised by wartime emergency powers. Europe and America does not have this anymore. They didn't loot their industries they simply abandoned them for the masses of cheap labour in the east.

>>2575560
More like west cannot fight a full scale war.

>>2575578
all the more reason for the turbo edger to stop fucking around with the Western partners, who can't do anything

<Attention: spectacle bros….
NEW SPECTACLE TEASE dropped………!

Another NOTAM over Kapustin Yar on Nov 30. Now, there have been like half a dozen such NOTAMs over Kapustin Yar since the Oreshnik strike in Nov 2024, so what's different this time? Maybe nothing, but the NOTAM for the Oreshnik strike was a one-day NOTAM, and this is the first one-day NOTAM since then.

What else gets the goosebumps going? Consider:
<the sudden rush on America's part to get Zelensky to sign a deal by Nov 27.
<Pentagon officials visiting Ukraine and pleading with Zelensky to sign a deal
<perhaps… PERHAPS also the NABU scandal… if you read what Vance just said between the lines, he's essentially saying "hey, Russia, no need to worry about Zelensky… this scandal means he won't survive re-election once you accept our cuckfire proposal… it's all good, let's be reasonable here…."

>>2575593 (ME)
There is also another thing in play:
<Venezuela. Reports abound that the US is going to try to eliminate Maduro. But that risks giving Russia an opening of "optics cover" to get rid of the Banderites ("what's good for the goose is good for the gander").
It's all very exciting and JUICY right now.



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🗽UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

<Happy Türkiye Day Edition


🏈 💵Thread for hellish discussion of the Dying Burger Reich and the pedophile Hitlerite-Zionist clique of the American bourgeoisie and its iron grip upon the greatest bigliest country McGod™ ever gave McMan™ on the face of the McEarth™🌭 🍔

>Things are going to continue to happen in the stupidest ways possible that no one really takes seriously, where every single person compulsively reacts with either cynical grifting or useless panic and appealing to a political system of liberal democracy that is entirely dead and irrelevant. things will continue to get gradually worse, more people will lose their jobs and homes, the most destitute and marginalized will be oppressed by state-backed domestic terrorism, but the decay will simply continue and everyone who isn't actively being imprisoned and forced into slavery or outright exterminated will simply ignore it and maintain a cognitive dissonance of believing a civil war is happening while living their lives in a mostly normal fashion. The death of the United States will be slow, painful, and insufferably annoying and stupid.

<Death to the scourge of the earth, the destroyer of nations, the father of fascism, the enabler of ethnostates, the treatlerite tyrant, the protector of pedophiles, the exporter of ecocide, the captain of capitalism, the king of coups, the sultan of sanctions, the emir of the embargo, the autocrat of austerity, the doge of deregulation, the baron of busting unions, the prince of privatization, the lord of loan sharks, the patron-saint of proxy wars, the sponsor of settlers, the guarantor of genocides, the invader of islands, the Divided $nakkkes of Amerikkka™

🛠️ Strike Tracker ⚒️
https://striketracker.ilr.cornell.edu/

🇺🇸 Deeds of the Burger Reich 🇺🇸
https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/us_atrocities.md
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>>2575517
Yeah but only for a little bit.
We need his art for the agitprop.

>>2575293
>>2575516
Garrison drew Fetterman's "reason" to look like pot of shit with stink lines coming off it. What is that even supposed to be?
>>2575518
He is such a bad cartoonist he regularly becomes good on accident. The Horseshoe Comic Theory.

>>2575274
Remind me, did lenin join the kadets or did he join an explicitly marxist party

>>2574643
>if you call me what I am u r fascist
Moron lib

>>2575602
You’re a fascist moralizing lib that lies about people’s suffering. When you point you’re finger there’s 3 pointing back.



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A thread focused on discussing the parasocial relationships cultivated by the Almighty Algorithm to generate profit off of our atomization and society's commodification of petty internet drama.
Brace through the hyper-real lacanian void together!

Reminder That None of This Is Real!
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CORE THEORY
>The Society of the Spectacle (1967) by Guy Debord
📖 • https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/debord/society.htm
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0blWjssVoUQ

<The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction (1936) by Walter Benjamin

📖 • https://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/ge/benjamin.htm
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>>2575573
oh yes new th0tkino

>>2575232
thread delteded, 404

pretty interesting stuff.
decent lib.

>>2568359
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>>2575573
<Racism was created by white people to justify slavery and colonialism.
Minor point, but what about the ottoman empire's slavery and colonialism?
<Class and identity are fused
This is where the idpol she is repeating is wrong. Capitalism can completely strip identity from a subject and yet still force people to retain their class position of the prole. Proles are proles no matter their identity because of their position as gears in the machine of capitalism. Does having black skin or breasts change how fast you can push a button in a factory? No, the skin color or secondary sex characteristics has nothing to do with that. Prole productivity and function within the economic system does not change based on superficial factors such as skin color, gender or what gender you fuck on your free time. The identity has nothing to do with your class position is a purely capitalist society. Identities such as being gay, black, and women are in fact left overs from previous social structures. Social structure that are being destroyed as significant factors within individualistic neoliberal capitalism, despite reactionary push back.

Fundamentally, she misses the point of anti-idpol left and what it's trying to point out. Yes racism and sexism is bad and it's true that currently identity does affect people in today's society. However capitalism as a system doesn't need those identities to exist and class society will continue to exist even after every other identity in existence has become equal.

Also 48 min, whew. Got to end of part one 19 min. I don't have any comments past that.



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>Europoor

It's becoming increasingly clear that the majority of proles in Europe and North America are being brainwashed by their phones into believing immigration is the biggest issue in their countries. I have largely ignored this issue, as I don't really think it matters but then, last night, there was a lumpen riot in Dublin against an IPAS centre in which a foreign national who had been denied asylum and was told to "self-deport" had apparantly raped a 10 year old girl who was under state care. I usually don't believe a lot of the lies told about "migrants" online but this case makes me feel particularly uncomfortable.

It was a clear failure from the neoliberal Irish government and it's institutions that allowed something like this to happen. Why wasn't this man deported immediately after being denied asylum? Too expensive, apparently. Why was this man allowed to be in a situation where he could sexually abuse a child? Why is this man in my country in the first place? Ofc, the Free State institutions are keeping silent on it, pissing off people even more.

So, how do leftists feel about immigration and the current asylum process? Obviously, I understand this wouldn't be an issue if western corps weren't raping the third world but I also think there is a discussion to be had. Are open borders in the current world really working? Would they work post-capitalism? How do you feel about immigration, positively or negatively?
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>>2575575
so you are left-wing but dont believe the people should rule?

>>2575576
I firmly believe that that anyone opposing proletarian democracy should be murdered.

>>2575569
Better that then being a racist bourgeois ass licker as you, drown yourself

>>2575580
so you do believe in democracy, then?

>>2575597
i dont talk to fascists



 

"turns out conservatives and reactionaries are just dumb after all" edition.

news:
- Your Party is suing itself, more at 11.
- The SNP and Plaid are going to form a "progressive alliance" somehow
- The government's going to do a switcheroo by raising income tax slightly and cutting national insurance to balance it out. (But they won't - follow this to its logical conclusion and scrap NI entirely)
- They're also considering cutting VAT on energy bills (which is the least efficient way of lowering bills you can imagine)
- The board of deputies asked Aston Villa for free footy tickets. In a worrying sign of rising antisemitism, Aston said nah.
- Labour is falling behind the Greens in the opinion polls as their strategy of copying Reform drives away their already-begrudging supporters without winning over any Reform voting reprobates. Nobody could have predicted this.
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>>2575570
I imagined it well enough. Same exact kind of thing where the American MPs got in a shootout with the Brits because they allowed some Black Americans to drink at the bar with the Whites.

>>2574631
Ignore >>2575149 and >>2575265
At least these pre-set motions will be voted on online on the Your Party app, it's unclear atm if the member submitted motions will be on the app or just for conference attendees.
App link from the YP email here:
https://api.secondstreetapp.com/m_c_t/62404309/282304377

>>2574286
>1) Whether to endorse Independent socialist candidates in 2026 Y/N
Yes if the local branch votes to endorse
>2) in 2026, should the party focus on specific wards or run as many candidates as possible?
Shouldn't run at all because there's no way the candidates will be any good or tied to a comprehensive programme, it'll just be setting ourselves up for future failure + we need let labour dig its own grave a little more so we aren't blamed for reform + with how rushed things would be we'd also get an unrepresentatively dissapointing result that wouldn't even help us gauge popular support meaningfully
>3) Should a committee to promote formal union affiliation be formed?
Nah, courting the unions too obsequisously is bad news and we don't want the union bosses have any say in the party policy or exercise veto using funding, the aim has to be winning the rank and file, not official affiliation
4) Should Your Party officially called itself a "socialist party"?
Obvs yes.
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Why are they such whiny bitches?

>>2575579
who is this knobend? why do we care what he has to say?

>>2575579
but he's completely right



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How do you think American liberal politics will play out once Trump is no longer in power?

For the past 10 years, the entire crux of the Democratic Party has been "STOP TRUMP". The average American Democrat or liberal now bases their political views solely on how much they hate Trump, MAGAts, "manosphere" podcasters, so-called "alt-right pipelines", and everything in between. They have no real principles and it shows.

The right-wing, on the other hand, believes it is creating a new world; it's a much worse world, but that's how they want it. This has caused liberals to prop up the old, dying system as a way of preventing it from collapsing into something worse. Now, we're seeing liberals who claim to be "left-wing" embrace everything from free trade agreements (on the basis Trump's tariffs need to be stopped) to hyper-consumerism (on the basis that spending money on fashion and makeup and mindless consumer goods helps maintain your "individuality" against Trump-era conformity) to literal junk food (in order to own RFK and MAHA). It doesn't take much to realize all of these were once things American liberals strongly opposed 20-25 years ago; I'm old enough to remember when "clean girl" no-makeup aesthetics, eating organic, and herbal medicines were leftist things.

American liberals are now pushing a culture of hyper-rationality and order to counter the mass chaos that has erupted in America under Trump. They hate ICE agents terrorizing communities but they hate the sporadic community defence and protests that pop up to beat back ICE even more. They hate the Luigi Mangiones and the Tyler Robinsons and the prospects of an American Years of Lead. They want everything to be "rational" and based on slow progression and linear shit. But this way is outdated. Trying to find the "middle path" doesn't work when capitalism is in a state of collapse. For the liberal, everything that doesn't fit their paradigm is "mysticism" which always equates to "fascism" and needs to be stamped out before it manifests into authoritarianism. But how can this hyper-rationalism win?

The same is true of foreign policy. Liberals insist on American soft power, which arguably won't work in a world post-Gaza where American support for the most documented genocide in recent history was on full display. Trump, on the other hand, is an old school imperialist who simply seizes whatever he demands without caring.

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hopefully people will wake the fuck up and realize libtardism doesn't get them anything but fucked over each and everytime

I don’t think that there will be a strong liberal movement after Trump. The liberal base is practically all just demsocs except for boomers and unless you consider them to also be liberals then it’s pretty much over. Everyone is either a demsoc or a Nazi which is pretty bad because I don’t think that demsocs are the polor opposite of Nazis, I would consider the polor opposite of a demsoc to be an Eisenhower-style conservative and I would consider the polor opposite of Nazis to be Maoists, then again what would a Guevarist like me know? After all we all like to think we are in the center.

>>2526945
If the Dems could recover from the Vietnam debacle (Vietnam was a Dem project for most of America’s involvement) they can recover from the Gaza genocide
What they cannot recover from is their utter inability to improve anyone’s life in any way

>>2526850
>american liberalism after liberalism
Same old. Uniparty will continue to murder both americans and foreign victims of imperialism in the name of capital.

>How do you think American liberal politics will play out once Trump is no longer in power?
Those who aren't ready for socialism, particularly those not directly hit hard by the current repression, might just celebrate the 'victory' of Democrats (assuming they aren't overtly blocked from electoral power) and interpret it as the system working, validating their trust in US institutions, electoralism and the legal system. Honestly, a show-trial of Trump could kill a revolution.

But if socialists GTFO /leftypol/ and actually seize upon these grievances, they can inoculate people from liberalist claims of America working, if/when the Republicans face any roadblocks in the future.



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>>2574526
>This is not a threat but a simple statement of fact. Workers in Europe, Japan, South Korea and the US need jobs. We do not want our economic development to go into reverse. And even if we did not care, without exports, we will eventually run out of ways to pay China for our imports.

You will pay with your land and women, filthy westoid laowai. Either you embrace socialism like China did, or collapse into comrador kingdoms and warlords. March of progress is unstoppable, and time is the fairest judge of all; capitalism cannot survive socialism's unshackled might

Adapt or fucking die. Modern civilization is coming for your job, healthcare, housing, and clean air.

>>2574526
>The only good solutions lie with Beijing. It could take action to overcome deflation in its own economy, to remove structural barriers to domestic consumption, to let its exchange rate appreciate and to halt the billions in subsidies and loans it directs towards industry. That would be good for the Chinese people, too, whose living standards are sacrificed to make the country more competitive.

Pffft, yet another China understander. I bet he thinks that Chinese are worse off simply because their wages in exchange rate USDs is lower

>>2575451
>nooooo deflation is LE BAD, you should want everything to increase in price every year while wages don’t grow to match
>nooooo you can’t use the exchange rate system we constructed against us
>nooooo you can’t use subsidies only we can do that

Daily reminder that Xi drinks (((alcohol))). It's the liquid jew.



 

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Who's excited for more pauline kino?

>>2574299
>it's real
society of the spectacle

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I know, it's reddit slop, but can't help laughing.

>>2574299
IMAGINE

A DYSTOPIAN FUTURE IN WHICH ANTHONY ALBINOSE

BECOMES

PRIME MINISTAH

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>>2574299
god i want her to origami my cock



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