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CORE THEORY
>The Society of the Spectacle (1967) by Guy Debord
📖 • https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/debord/society.htm
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<The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction (1936) by Walter Benjamin

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>>2585746
>>2585736
>Dude the Nazis were like hecking wholesome to their own citizens and were heckin pro labor and socialist and wanted to help them they were only bigoted to outgroups.
This is literally step one in white washing the Nazis.

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>>2585750
>It's very harmful to be incorrect on this because it leads people away from understanding how & why people support their governments in situations like this, which also makes it impossible for us to fight them. Nazi Germany had a very similar arrangement to Israel.

>>2585555
>Claims to be Orthodox Christian
>Catholic Crusader flag
>Corinthian helmet used by pre-Christian pagans.
There's plenty of writing and discourse out there about how 80% fascism is just pure aesthetics instead of an actually coherent ideology, but goddamn.

>>2585753
Wrong. Israel is not a fascist state, it's not at all comparable to Nazi Germany. Israel is a democracy of and for Israeli Jews, and as such they have all sorts of socdem parties, protesting rights, and independent trade unions to act as guarantors of their benefits. Israelis don't need any sort of Gestapo because they simply fully agree with Zionism.
No such freedoms existed in Nazi Germany because it was a government first and foremost for the interests of conglomerates like Krupp, IG Farben, etc.
Why BE says the Nazis were so concerned about German labor conditions when empirically German labor deaths dramatically increased under Nazi rule even in peacetime is beyond me.

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>>2585750
>This is literally step one in white washing the Nazis
<Oh yes because all those SS soldiers burning, raping, and killing civilians all along the Eastern front were all poor oppressed child-minded victims who really didn't want to do that (but did it anyway with smiles on their faces)… And the Nazi settlers didn't do nothing wrong they are sad too that people had to be killed en mass so they can own a little more land! They were oppressed too you know!

I think its pretty clear who is really whitewashing the fucking Nazis here.



 

/US-Venezuela war/ #3
>Third Heaven Edition

Previous Thread Archives
#1 https://archive.ph/4Dq3L
#2 https://archive.ph/sntTt

Previous thread: >>2539692

Thread in which we discuss the latest aggression-based-on-lies by the USA against a country which did not attack it.
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<Ties

>>2585717
>when they could just arm the working class
Thats what they're doing though?

>>2585717
>when they could just arm the working class
they literally did retard

>>2585703
What is the IDD

>>2585748
>>2585752
its a glowie talking point theyve been spamming in this thread



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🗽UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

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>May Lenin awaken the workers and help them to see the necessity of revolutionary civil war in the United States.


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>>2585741
Have you ever considered that fifty years of warfare against any leftist governments combined with persistent propaganda might have had an effect on Latin America? It's not ethnic baggage, we just killed all the Communists and so there's no international solidarity with Venezuela.

>>2585486
>>2585486
You should tell this to all of the social fascist worker parties with tens of millions in assets and thousands or tens of thousands of dick riders, not some single man with nothing.

>>2585742
>and so there's no international solidarity with Venezuela.
theres a difference between having international solidarity and not foaming at the mouth for orange hitler to invade and rape your neighbors house because you think he's annoying

>>2585741
Just a bit? They still had spanish colonizers and to this day there are indiginous groups who are being wronged there

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>"I shouldn't be shamed for not living up to capitalist society's expectations of me, I should be allowed to be my authentic self without being criticized and I shouldn't have to change myself based on some arbitrary capitalist standard"

This seems to be the sentiment that dominates the minds of zoomers and most millennials that drives them towards the left whether we want to admit it or not. This is what makes a lot of younger people under 40 embrace anti-capitalist politics, question social norms that are the superstructure of modern capitalism, become anti-eugenics, embrace new identity groups, and so on. Look no further than Tumblr from the mid 2010s or TikTok today. My question is, why haven't any communist or socialist parties been able to gather these types of people up? The DSA's entire strategy is simply economistic "healthcare and unions" babble that they weaponize to push the Democrats further to the left. Yet we shouldn't forget that the millennial left (namely, the people who participated in the anti-war movement in the 2000s and Occupy in 2011-12) all folded into DSA by the end of the 2010s. So why can't the DSA bring in those frustrated zoomers from TikTok, the ones who make videos on queerness and unmasking autism and mental health and why nearly all romantic relationships are inherently predatory or whatever? Maybe if the people on that platform were in a political party they'd have actual pragmatic political goals.
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>>2584779
Anti-Zionism =/= anti-imperialism

There are white supremacists who are anti-Zionist yet support mass subjugation of non-whites.

>>2574004
It's a totally liberal sentiment. They want their personal freedom of expression to not be impinged, but they aren't dealing at all with questions like why they want what they want, or how it impacts others. It's an individualist and unsystemic vision. If they wanted the freedom to shape society in order to shape themselves, that's beginning to be something illiberally left. That level of desire for power over society scares the hoes tho, it's not socially acceptable to want (even if it's "authentic" ;')).

Also isn't this basically outdated by now? There isn't much materially stopping anyone from being their authentic self, everything in capitalism is posed as a voluntary engagement. If you're restricted in the workplace, go somewhere else. If you're restricted by your religion, leave it. If you're restricted by your family, cut them off. Even though it's not true in aggregate, everything individually takes the form of voluntary relationships. This kind of critique is for children, since they're the only ones under that kind of control. As an adult this critique doesn't hold water anymore, and either the child who made the critique is satisfied with their adult freedoms, or moves on to a more systemic critique about the limits of their self-creation due to their environment (limited free time, public spaces, third spaces, limited funds to engage in available activities, and so on).

The adult critique i hear most often is "there's nothing going on/nothing to do here". That sums up the adult issue, which is one of an environment that's not enriching or accessible to working people. Life becomes meaningless when the only guarantee is that you can live to work. And even that is a privilege, because you can easily become unemployed and equally broke. The solution to this is only revolution, since reform is also inaccessible.

>>2584615
Why? Again, this point needs to be hammered into the ground: This isn't the left a 37 year old knew 10-13 years ago.
Fine, but what the fuck did the left they knew achieve? Really, I'm taking all answers here because the best I've got is the 15 minutes on 8/leftypol/ where a SocDem was pirate posting.
Which was more like 8 years ago, and really if you're fair about it, zoomer in-jokes are probably equally good if you're there in the discord enjoying the context instead of trapped in this shithole with 30 year olds undergoing a midlife crisis.

>lust provoking image
<irrelevant time wasting question

>>2584950
Zionism is arguably the visible consequence of imperialism we see today. Attacking Zionism is attacking imperialism



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>>2585659
I don't allude to my nationality every day though, quite rarely in fact. You'd have to be ITT for years to catch mention of it.

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>>2585661
I can smell your british faggotry through the screen.

I never post here because when I do I get emotional. I just lurk here all the time and know all the flag posters. I'll stop posting. But before I do I will post a few more times. No, I'm not retarded, I just have very poor emotional regulation from all the time I spend online and on image boards. Good bye, but not really.

>>2585695
Alright, tell me more about Ukrainian collapsing for 3.5 years now but somehow Russians being bogged down

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why is macron so popular in china?

>>2585614
Strong Europe keep buying Chinese products

>>2585614
The death of the frankreich is to the benefit for the Project of the New Chinese Century.


>>2585581
Power of dialectical materialism unfolding in front of our eyes



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Recent news:
STG sets up roadblocks on the roads leading to Suwayda, pursuant to the ceasefire agreement.
Remaining tribals in Suwayda governorate launch a last-ditch attack on Suwayda city.
Tribals enter some of the city's northwest areas. They suffer heavy casualties and retreat from the city on the same day.
Straggler tribals launch a few attacks on Druze villages here and there, nothing significant.
Overall ceasefire holds up after that. STG prevents further entry of tribals and their numbers keep dwindling.
STG releases their report on the massacres of Alawites in March of this year. They say that they aren't directly responsible.
Saudi announces they will buy a bunch of property in Syria.
Israeli and Syrian officials meet in Paris. A second meeting in Baku was cancelled.
Accusations that the STG is doing a soft siege on Suwayda governorate and worsening the humanitarian situation.
Turkey/SNA starts threatening the SDF and launches a few attacks against them in Deir Hafer and Tishreen dam.

Links:
t.me/Medmannews - Well known channel (Egyptian owner). Posts frequently about MENA
t.me/Middle_East_Spectator - Iranian owner
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Gülistan Kılıç Koçyiğit: One force will join the army, the other will ensure public order
Gülistan Kılıç Koçyiğit, Deputy Group Chair of the Peoples' Equality and Democracy Party (DEM Party), who was among the members of the Parliamentary Commission who met with Leader Apo in İmralı, stated that Syria was evaluated comprehensively by Leader Apo during the meeting, but this was not reflected in the minutes in Parliament, and that Leader Apo presented a formula for the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF).

Speaking to Cansu Çamlıbel of T24, Gülistan Kılıç Koçyiğit said that Leader Apo warned that if democratization is not achieved in Syria, Ahmed al-Shara, the head of the transitional administration, could turn into a dictator.

Gülistan Kılıç Koçyiğit, who reported that Leader Apo presented a formula for the SDF during the meeting, said, "He says the military force could be integrated into the army, and that the region could have its own security forces. In fact, while discussing this, he said, 'I think there are watchmen in Türkiye.' What he meant was, 'One power center will join the army, and another power will establish the local defense line and ensure security.'"

Gülistan Kılıç Koçyiğit stated that Önder Apo did not say to the YPG that he would unconditionally lay down all his weapons and disband himself like the PKK, and that this was not true.

'"IF DEMOCRATIZATION DOES NOT HAPPEN, SHARA WILL ALSO TURN INTO A DICTATOR"

Gülistan Kılıç Koçyiğit, stating that Leader Apo made an assessment of the Assad family dynasty since the time of Hafez Assad in Syria, said the following:

"They became a family dynasty. And we see that Syria is the most wounded, most painful region in the region. Today, they say Sharaa has transformed. If he has truly transformed, then democratization is necessary," he said. "But if democratization doesn't happen, Sharaa will also turn into a dictator," he said. "We know what can happen in such a situation," he said.

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Soverign Nation Complex
Actually, I could have titled it "Supremacy Complex." This condition is also referred to in socialist literature as "chauvinism" and "social-chauvinism." Undoubtedly, Kurds living within the borders of the Republic of Turkey know very well what these concepts mean. They have learned this firsthand over the last 100 years.

Therefore, Kurds weren't surprised to hear CHP Chairman Özgür Özel, speaking with some arrogance from the podium of the party he was re-elected to, using the terms "Stockholm Syndrome" and "falling in love with your executioner." Nor were they surprised to hear his words, "Why is everything being tied to İmralı?" directed at Kurdish People's Leader Abdullah Öcalan, whom over 10 million Kurds had signed 15 years ago, declaring "My Political Will."

In fact, Özgür Özel's remarks made it much clearer why the CHP refused to include a member in the National Solidarity, Brotherhood, and Democracy Commission, established by the Turkish Grand National Assembly, which traveled to İmralı on November 24th to hold valuable discussions with Leader Abdullah Öcalan on the Peace and Democratic Society Process. Clearly, the CHP was rejecting the will of the Kurds as the chief negotiator. Furthermore, an "Apo complex" was lurking within the CHP leadership and its ranks. It also became clear why they frequently traveled to meet with Selahattin Demirtaş.

We certainly don't know who Özgür Özel meant by the term "executioner." However, the kinds of meetings he held with the AKP leadership under the guise of "normalization" as soon as he became party chairman are still fresh in our memories. Regarding working with the MHP, we advise him to look back to the periods when Bülent Ecevit and Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu were party leaders.

The CHP's "Arrogance of Grandeur" isn't actually very different from the chauvinist approaches of the AKP and MHP. All Kurds have learned this from decades of humiliation and contempt. It could be argued that no dominant nation in the world has ever exerted a level of racist-chauvinistic oppression on the Kurds, nor has any other national community. Books could be cited for this, but further explanation is unnecessary, lest it damage the positive atmosphere inherent in the Peace and Democratic Society Process we are currently experiencing.

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>>2584719
Assad's exiled spy chief and billionaire cousin plot Syrian uprisings from Russia
From exile in Moscow, ex-intel chief Kamal Hassan and Assad cousin Rami Makhlouf are spending millions of dollars in competing efforts to build fighting forces that would lead a revolt along Syria’s coast. They are also vying for control of a network of 14 underground command rooms stocked with arms and ammunition that were built in the dictatorship’s last days. Syria's government has deployed another former Assad insider – a childhood friend of the new president – to neutralize the plotters.

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>>2584440
>As Rosa Luxemburg said to Kautsky, they have become, in effect, "guardians of the treasury of Marxism."
< libertarian and democratic forces must be at least as committed to seeking and striving as the dominant system.
> it is incomprehensible and unacceptable that leftist and socialist forces are engaged in exhausting debates, effectively opposing each other rather than fighting against the dominant system.
Truth Nukes
>>2584721
Real or bullshit that will be used to justify the next round of crimes against humanity on the coast?



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It's old news that fascism is on the rise but I can't be the only one that is suspecting there's a deliberate push by social media companies at this point? Twitter might be obvious but I'm also seeing more and more things on places like youtube getting tons of views that wouldn't have been allowed to stay up a couple years ago, picrel for example. Instagram reels being full of nazi content and its comment sections being bombarded with racism is something that's become infamous but that seemed to have happened almost overnight.
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>>2584971
You think Nick Fuentes is representative?

>>2555799
It doesn't really matter. Your average slopbrained unorganized prole has less political power now than at any other point in modern history. Social media could brainwash them into being nazis but it won't lead to anything except maybe an uptick in lone wolf shooters. The real question is whether fractions of the national bourgeoisie are embracing anti-liberalism and race pseudoscience, since they actually have political power.

>>2585674
>slopbrained unorganized prole has less political power now
And its going to get even worse with AI. A major collapse would benefit everyone except liberal status quo.

>>2585674
>The real question is whether fractions of the national bourgeoisie are embracing anti-liberalism and race pseudoscience, since they actually have political power.
So, uhh, the Muskrat?

>>2555799
>there's a deliberate push by social media companies at this point?
no, they just gave up on trying to suppress it, all the suppression between 2017 - 2024 did was make trump and the far right more popular
If you de-platform trump from every media platform on the internet, then he gets re-elected anyway with a majority vote it becomes pretty clear which way the wind is blowing, shitlib censorship attempts just aren't tolerated anymore



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