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>>2543514
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I’m honestly curious to know what exactly makes the PMC (university professors, doctors, lawyers, engineers, scientists, artists, those types of people) adhere to the belief system they do. Namely, the psychology behind what’s often termed as “petit-bourgeois radicalism.”

I recently read through two of Caleb Maupin’s books (The American Years of Lead and the one on Trotsky and the Neocons). Maupin asserts that intellectual elites (PMC) are heavily into salon culture and edgy things that have aristocratic connotations. For instance, intellectual elites (PMC) are the ones who hold an overly-romantic view of revolution and romanticize terrorism and political violence. They’re the ones that conjure up images of a big apocalyptic revolution similar to the Christian rapture whereby every little aspect of the existing society is destroyed. He also heavily emphasized that the PMC hates the genuine working/class, because they see them as a threat to their power, so they deliberately manipulate working-class movements in order to offset and eventually dissolve them. Plus, they love sexual promiscuity and use “leftism” in order to promote it.

Last night, I watched a video on Sublation Media between Doug Alain and Chris Cutrone. Cutrone made the point that the PMC romanticize terrorism, mass destruction involving killing and raping, and the “noble death” because the PMC are “gangsters.” Not gangsters the way the ultra-rich capitalists are, but gangsters nonetheless.

My understanding is, intellectual elites love these things like violence and terror for the exact same reason they love modern “art” like Jackson Pollock and jazz and rap “music”: it’s all deeply irrational. They reject historical progress, favour the lumpen and those on the margins of society over the genuine proletariat, and promote destruction because they hate rationality. All of the things they promote as “leftism” are actually deeply aristocratic values: it’s the aristocracy that loves violence, sexual indulgence and a rejection of logic and linear time. I see it like this: intellectual elites, being Nietzscheans at heart, hate rationality and linear progress because they see those things as boxes that limit their ability to indulge, but also the fact that they already have their privileged positions and don’t need a proletarian revolution to have their basic needs met. In fact, a proletarian revolution would mean they lose their privileges and end up working in the fields.Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>2583942
>PMC (university professors, doctors, lawyers, engineers, scientists, artists)
I reject the premise of the question

>>2584999
How are they wage slaves?

>>2584999
It depends on the case because patents and other kinds of intellectual property are capital.

This pseudo-psychologizing of social classes doesn't smell right. There might be some interest-based behavior and certain dispositions but the idea that one class (the PMC) is more perverted than another doesn't strike me as realistic. Also it eliminates the role of contradiction.

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>>2583942
>lawyers



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>>2585270
I believe you baiting. I don't think you truly support people stabbed random people when they say the n word and face zero consequences

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>>2585270
This kind of retard sakaism is anything but helpful in addressing actual racism (hint: it doesn't come from people riding the bus, no matter what your "lived experience" is.)

Rudeness and racialism doesn't warrant death, and it's indicative of zoom-zoom culture to go to extremes like this. Actual racism comes from the bourgeoisie, their theological ideology, their culture, but most of all the material conditions that the working class are under.

>>2585275
Zoomers are more racist than your generation though

>>2585277
SHOW ME A ZOOMER WHO IS PART OF THE HAUTE BOURGEOISIE

>>2585278
Baron Trump



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>>2584429
Sometimes I hear stories from the NHS, and particularly the way doctors treat people, look down on people, don't believe them, gaslight them, and its kinda got nothing to do with funding because it would be cheaper to listen to them the first time rather than do follow up appointments where you are subsequently told the last guy misdiagnosed you, and sometimes, along with many other things I get this thought that it is actually cultural.

Not in a racist way nonononono but actually british people are among the most class concious people in the world, in a bad way, we are so status driven and oritentated, take such great joy in looking down on people and shitting on people are just cunts, that doctors being cunty is a product of the fact everyone is a cunt here

>>2585128
in my dark phase of thinking anyways

>>2585128
>the way doctors treat people, look down on people, don't believe them, gaslight them
thats just a common problem with doctors (at least on the other side of the channel its a common criticism as well). They're well educated, high status, paid well enough, which is normal because they do deal with people health and life threatening situations, but it also obviously go to their head a bit. They're also very hierarchical and used to being obeyed (often by women), and used to being the sole responsible of the medical decision, and have petty bourgeois mentality (being their own boss). All of which tend to not punish bad behavior
And their material incentives is to do quick diags without paying too much attention to details, statistically its the most efficient use of their time (people misdiagnosed will come back and pay again anyway), even if of course, from the pov of the patient, its awful and can lead to real damage

>>2580153
The SWP is a detail, the bigger question is really: Why is factionalism such a danger for party democracy? And the answer is that the combo winner-takes all elections + delegates voting for delegates makes it very easy for a tiny and well-organized minority to completely dominate everything.

>>2580070
>>mix of delegates and lottery winners
>is actually good. When it was all lottery winners, that was dumb, but this serves to blunt the power of delegates and mitigate chicanery and fuckery to some extent by halving their overall power- but you still get that function where people back somebody who is good at communicating and arguing for things. Its actually kind of good
Yeah makes sense.

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>>2585262
Playing devils advocate perhaps, but isn't it possible that people generally only go to the doctor when they're either in pain or fear for their health or both and are upset because a professional who sees people believing themselves to be on the verge of death all day every day, aren't showing the same level of concern as they themselves are?



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Probably my most "Idpol" opinion is that on some subconscious level, people pay more attention to what’s happening in Palestine partly because Palestinians are perceived as more Caucasian or white-adjacent compared with the victims of crises in places like Sudan, Myanmar, or Somalia. Again I don’t think most people make this distinction intentionally or out of active racism, it’s just a bias that many groups, including white people and Arabs across the political spectrum, end up participating in without realizing it.
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>>2583293
>I've never understood why the western left places so much significance on Israel-Palestine.
The Palestine struggle used to be led by the PLO, socdem nationalists funded by the USSR. It's cold war legacy.

>>2582414
People pay more attention to Gaza because their own governments are actively complicit in backing Israel. Sudan is a murkier case because the Russians, al-Qaeda, and other African states are involved. You can protest Gaza because your government has actual leverage over Israel, which isn't the case with Sudan. There is a lot more exposure to Palestine because of cultural ties with Israel (people are constantly asked to apologize for Israel and condemn Hamas). Kashmiris are even more light skinned and "caucasian white-adjacent" than the average Palestinian but the Western left rarely talks about them. Afghans are very light skinned but you saw more people protest the Iraq war than oppose the Afghan one and even leftists treated Afghans as backward savage pedophiles. So its not a simple skin color thing okay.

Palestine has also become a left wing cause in a way Sudan, Somalia, Kashmir etc. have not. Leftists have become pro-Palestine out of herd mentality and there's a generation of Palestinian activists in the West that pander to the woke center left crowd. The Sudanese diaspora is much smaller and not as well connected. Leftists don't give a shit because its not a hot button issue and they are more fixated on how bad NATO is etc. Since Trump came to office, he's ramped up drone strikes in Africa but whenever you see woke center left progressives talk about the War on Terror they use the past tense, as if its all in the past and doesn't happen anymore. Americans and Europeans are generally extremely egocentric and don't care about issues they can't be connected to. There's no obvious connection with Sudan, so they don't care.

There's a kind of third world phobia too. Sudanese and Kashmiris are overhwelmingly rural, socially conservative, and religious Muslims. All of these are things Western wokies hate in their own society (see classist jokes about how retarded rural Americans are and rednecks etc). Even if they hate Hamas, they generally see Palestinians as people who can be romantic noble savage indigenous people who will one day grow up to be progressive, queer, and urban etc. Few Sudanese or Kashmiris speak English and use social media, most are rural farmers etc. so Westoids never see them and dismiss them as dumb hicks.

>>2584563
>Sudan is a murkier case because the Russians, al-Qaeda, and other African states are involved.
I sure whished communists in Russia would protests against the genocide in Sudan.

I saw that reddit thread in your picrel OP, the comments made me sad honestly. They're acting like the US didn't invade Somalia.

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if you are truly a communist you believe in one world goverment and have no shame in saying so, nations are fake, race is fake, culture evolves and the next step of evolution is consolidation of all goverments and peoples.

if you feel like the mixing of all cultures is wrong those are reactionary feelings that you need to examine and deal with, the same for any belief in 'sovereignty'. also, squids are cool as fuck.
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Truke, socialism and anarchism converge at the same logical conclusion of communism.

>>2583799
>if you are truly a communist you believe in one world goverment and have no shame in saying so, nations are fake, race is fake, culture evolves and the next step of evolution is consolidation of all goverments and peoples.
How is this controversial?

>>2585241
In the digital grass touching parts of the internet, it isn't. On twitter it probably is idk I deleted my twitter.

>>2583910
>Always wondered how MLs can believe in Democratic Centralism but then have different national parties around the world making separate decisions and ending up with contradictory policies. Does the word CENTRALISM have meaning or not?
>How do basic large scale organisations work? Why didn't stalin just decide what every single communist did in their local union meeting, personally?

The decisions made by the comintern were binding to all it's members. You simply do not actually know history.

The political trade-off of unity in action through common decisions vs guarding against trying to generalized tactics that only work in specific contexts is as old as time and will never end. Additionally, a lot of contradictory decisions are arrived at because of forms of national chauvinism or opportunism, whether conscious or unconscious. Every communist in power, no matter how disciplined, feels the weight of the survival of their own socialist experiment on their shoulder, and no amount of abstract long term 6d chess "it would be beneficial for the revolution" actual arguments can convince a whole communist country to throw themselves onto the sword. People are not drones, which is why you cannot just send endless armies into their death as if you are playing age of empires in real life either, soldiers won't willingly go on suicide missions as a rule. Thats why generals keep the people actually dying in the dark about the grand strategic tradeoffs, and always have a plausible explanation for why their sacrificed pawns were not intended to die, to tell the widows.

The soviets, even the most hardline ones, did foreign policy that first and foremost protected the soviet union as a state. The chinese likewise will not sacrifice themselves in a ball of fire for world revolution. It is therefore actually more important not to advocate for absurdist ultra-centralism like you do, which in history has just led to all the parties operating in capitalist countries to be forced to tow the foreign policy line of the established communist nations, even if those actions turned out to be extremely detrimental to local organizing success and the global communist movement.

>>2585264
>inb4 retards who in comparison make Stalin look like an anarchist go "There is only one communism"
Then why didn't this one true way to do communism work everywhere?
>Well you see, local conditions eh
Then there is the gap between what you say and what you, deep inside, know to be true, and why you must realize to let go of the dogmatism that has yielded no results in almost a century in most of the west, and half a century or more in the non alligned world.



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>>2585247
Did not intend to reply to that post.

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Bahaha
>>2585255
Yes, in the colloquial way. I started with the humanity of Jesus, flesh and blood. This humanity is in the hypostatic union as professed in the Creed. The consumerists don't seem to believe in this human existence, hence the mythological superman.

The middle east imperialist chapter is over for now. Welcome to the new and improved latin american imperialist chapter.

>>2585229
the big 3 sold big cars because it was more profitable and there was a loophole which allowed light trucks to be less fuel efficient, which companies realized they could classify as SUVs. light trucks often end up cheaper to build per dollar of selling price than small cars because of simpler transmissions, less aerodynamic shapes, older engine designs, less complex emission controls, less electronics to improve mpg, fewer weight saving materials (advance steel) etc. low gas prices were also convinent for consumers as their taste shifted towars larger, taller vehicles. trump recently lowered the emissions standards for light duty vehicles even further, making the relative advantage for light trucks greater than before.

I heard in CHINAH they got this thing called PEDESTRIANISATION. Would you believe it? Cities where you can WALK AROUND. People want more interstates I say that's a democrat hoax, ok? Democrat hoax okay next question.



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It's old news that fascism is on the rise but I can't be the only one that is suspecting there's a deliberate push by social media companies at this point? Twitter might be obvious but I'm also seeing more and more things on places like youtube getting tons of views that wouldn't have been allowed to stay up a couple years ago, picrel for example. Instagram reels being full of nazi content and its comment sections being bombarded with racism is something that's become infamous but that seemed to have happened almost overnight.
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I think this is more an inevitable effect of America collapsing. In 1990 and 1991 when the Soviet system started collapsing, most ethnic groups, including Russians, began pushing for independence. Same in Yugoslavia. Why not in America?

>>2585101
because the USA weren't dumb enough to l give self-determination to local LARPers,letting them recreate their spooky national identity. they just said everybody is american and murdered the natives enough that they can't claim the land either.

>>2585110
i've never seen an nation with as much state independance and many times differing culture as the US anon.

>>2585192
Yeah, nah. American states aren't nations with different languages. People in other countries sometimes project their own historical experiences onto the U.S. and think of Texas as like some potential separatist republic because you have some kind of quasi-national larping there to distinguish the brand, but nobody from here thinks of themselves as "not American." Also geographical cultural/political split today is urban-rural anyways and they fight over this contested idea of what "America" is.

What happened in a wide swath of the world is that several empires collapsed at the end of World War I and a bunch of new states formed out of that and most of them failed. The U.S. is not a new state, it's one of the oldest continuous constitutional systems in the world and the civic nationalist identity is deeply internalized and very strong. There are no big powers next to it that can take off chunks of its territory.

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Caveat is Hawaii. There are Hawaiian seperatists who really don't see themselves as Americans but there are not that many. Another group of indigenous people who were conquered by the U.S. military and swamped by settlers. Actually the largest single ethnic group in Hawaii is Japanese-American.



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Let the ruling Elites LGBT-westoids tremble at an anti-imperialism reckoning .
The non-westoids have nothing to lose but their chains.
They have a world to win.
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>>2584839
Nonsense. The material base of sexism is domestic labor and the female labor force participation rate. Unfortunately, there is a much larger need for domestic labor in the periphery and much less demand for labor in general. It's no different than how Gaza has an abysmal female labor participation rate of 20%. This is due to Palestinians being fucking genocided but the result remains. The solution is a planned economy which can drive down managerial overheads and drive up employment rates.

>>2584789
>"LGBT" imperialism
<look inside
>Christian Nationalist White Supremacists

what is this bullshit where people scapegoat teh gayz for imperialism

>>2584811
I made that btw

>I don’t know where the op is from but this type of left-wing-homophobia is common blowback for how the west acts all high and mighty for being so “Progressive” with queer people while exploiting the global south.
it's not blowback since the "west" treating LGBT people with any humanity whatsoever is a very VERY recent development, as is the pinkwashing of NATO. During the cold war, I would argue the imperialist west was just as, or possibly even more 'phobic than the USSR.

>>2584864
>The Ukrainazis killed thousands of ethnic Russians before Russia came to liberate them genocide
Are you referring to the allegations of genocide is Donbas? Because I’m sure that there were tons of massacres of Ethnic Russians and tons of discrimination against them. However there was no genocide and it’s just a made up claim by Putin to justify his imperialist conquest of Ukraine. Russia is not a liberator, there just moving Ukraine from one bad to another, how is bombing apartment buildings and abducting Ukrainian children and putting them in boarding schools where they are forced to only speak Russian “Liberating?”




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