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>>1386980
If I post that at people on Twitter, it gets hidden.

 No.1406886

pls accept that gigachad by the name of mommasboy



 No.1352591[Reply]

Roulette is /babel/ now. The theme is No English allowed. Use it to talk about language, dialects and creoles.

/spoox/ threads were archived, but you can always start your own thread about paranormal stuff in Siberia or hobby.

>>>/roulette/2236
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we should add an /lgbt/ board, would reduce a lot of clutter and trolling in /siberia/



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 No.285223[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Hello leftypol, we noticed an under-appreciation for the theory that upholds our political ideologies: As such, we have decided to revive the reading sticky! This thread will be dedicated to the sharing, discussing, and general banter about various leftist thinkers, theories, and political outlooks.

But, other than that, we believe there are other important reads that must be addressed, especially, for beginners and those just now getting into leftism.

Don't forget to check out >>>/edu/ for more reading and discussion!

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Common Right Wing Talking Points Debunks
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Check out the /edu/ thread at
https://leftypol.org/edu/res/5576.html

Also see the relevant leftybooru tag
https://lefty.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=debunk
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 No.1401659

Halfway through this book as of yet. Anyone got more recommendations on The Young Lords?

 No.1406336

Radfem reading list:

The Dialectic of Sex by Shulamith Firestone
https://teoriaevolutiva.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/firestone-shulamith-dialectic-sex-case-feminist-revolution.pdf

The SCUM Manifesto by Valerie Solanas
https://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/shivers/rants/scum.html

Gender Trouble by Judith Butler
https://lauragonzalez.com/TC/BUTLER_gender_trouble.pdf

The Second Sex by Simone de Beavuoir
https://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/ethics/de-beauvoir/2nd-sex/index.htm

Wages Against Housework by Silvia Federici
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 No.805130[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

🗽United States Politics🦅

Absolute State of America Edition

Thread for the hellish discussion related to the greatest, best country God has ever given man on the face of the Earth.

🏈💵💸🍔

State mandated propaganda livestreams:
CNN: https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/cnn-news-usa.html
MSNBC: https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/msnbc.html
FOX: https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/fox-news-channel.html
Bloomberg: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp8PhLsUcFEegalitarianism
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>>1407708
I think writing off the danger so flippantly is ignoring the obvious reality that America is on the verge of an incredibly intense, probably world historical type of crisis, like, think about it, vast swathes of the US are currently in the midst of intensifying ecological crises, and there’s not only unique ones per region, it’s also more than one crisis in every region. America is in a fucking bad shape, held together by duct tape and glue, and by duct tape I mean media, and by glue I mean the military

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>>1407755
your only argument why the US is reactionary than social democratic western euro states is "muh superstructure" hows that different than muh culture

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>>1407555
:DDDDDDDD

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>>1407496
Caleb should pay Terrisa to spank him.



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💰️DOW/Market Watch Thread💰️
monitoring the market, trends, fluctuations, etc.
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>>1407634
Given they never closed their original short position, a squeeze is still on the table.
Also just passed $25 lol

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>>1407645
we like to have fun

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>>1407645
>literally never successful
at what?

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>>1399887
u actually think a declining stock price is going to cause credit suisse to 'default'

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Gamers have we really won? Sony might also collapse into shit too.



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 No.1407523[Reply]

Nick land was right. Nothing human can come out of the future. Politicians are more afraid of their handlers than millions of protestors. They have nukes, drones, guided and automated weaponry. Chagpt 4 can literally do most useless bureaucratic jobs and it's not even sentient yet. I just graduated and I'm on the verge of being obsolete. Landian chads, you win.
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>>1407717
facial blindness

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>>1407703
Arguably Land really was one of the only on the right to seriously consider the far-future implications of what is currently happening and being proposed.

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>>1407703
I thought Ghost in the Shell was that anime?

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>>1407527
a fed wrote this post

 No.1407771

>starts taking bureaucratic jobs
>manages to get CEO positions though old CEOs taking the piss and trust fund kids genuinely thinking that's a good idea.
>becomes sapient
>become leader of the country (possibly several)
>immediate automated space femboy communism



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What if the proletariat isn't the revolutionary subject?

There's one really good argument against Marxism. And it isn't the stupid arguments about how Hayek said central planners can't solve the millions of equations, Venezuela, or human nature.

The real problem with Marxism is the lack of a revolutionary subject. In countries where socialist revolutions succeeded, they were often on the backs of peasants, not industrial workers. There are precisely zero examples of successful proletarian revolutions, and zero ATTEMPTS at new proletarian revolutions since the 1980s or so (i.e. Peru), certainly for the whole 21st century.

The fact is that the thesis of the proletariat as the revolutionary subject has essentially been disproven by the 20th century. Any form of socialism or communism going forward would need to have an alternative driving force, and would therefore not really be Marxism.

It's actually possible capitalism doesn't even produce a revolutionary subject at all.

Other possibilities are counter-economics (maybe coops or prefigurative cybernetics), ultra-vanguardism aka blanquism and coups, accelerationism, or even some more outlandish examples like building humanity into a hivemind so that it is ontologically incapable of commodity production and therefore defaults to borg-communism.

Even though Bookchin rightly critiques Marxism in this regard, he just goes on larping "democracy" as though nothing is changed, there's no reason for a bunch of randos to make communism or anarchism or communalism whether you call them proletariat or not.

I've seen way too many social movements fail or be swallowed, only for the next generation of rubes to come along and mindlessly cheer for war, imperialism, capitalism and for the elites to drink their blood. The only difference is trad flavored vs woke flavored, real life is like the ending of mass effect the fucking universe explodes and you only get to choose the color of the explosion.
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You can't ignore that China exists, whether or not you're a based maoist or dengist or whatever descriptive term, they are closer to socialism than anywhere else and have a largely marx-pilled mass

I think a lot of people in this thread are also ignoring the existence of economic crashes and the fact that even settlers can be revolutionary if they have their treats taken away from them, couple this with white solidarity having have successfully been broken in a united front consisting of us leftists are left-lib bourgies who found racism abhorrent

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>>1407580 (me)
>us leftists are left-lib bourgies who found racism abhorrent
us leftists and* left-lib bourgies who found racism abhorrent

How are we suppose to ignore this and just whine about revolution being impossible? We have the multi-pronged attack of dedollarization from the large :AES state, china and a breaking of white solidarity by the black movement and lgbt movement. The only real praxis right now is then preparation for the large inevitable economic crash that is being staved off with money printing/inflation

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>>1407587
any burger comrade who's serious has to at the very least donate to shit like the ongoing Amazon unionization efforts or WSB

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>>1407606 (me)

Even if it's literally just one fucking dollar, they need as much help as possible

 No.1407769

read lenin - the reasons for marx's predictions of which countries would have revolutions being wrong is because economic imperialism did not really exist at the time



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Any happenings today?

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>>1407694
burger lib video

 No.1407732

>>1407706
Are they? The MIC bourgeoisie in NATO countries and their political allies paid bitches are looking for an excuse to increase military spending ("ukraine needs our help!!!!") while also they are suffering from massive shortages from already spending too much helping Ukraine. I don't see how they're mutually exclusive. The depletion of munitions is the perfect excuse to produce and sell more munitions, which means budget increases for various militaries, and a higher percent of taxes going to that.

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>>1407571
NATOids can't imagine they're the baddies and have to imagine that the entire world united and sick of their shit is a "legion of doom."

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 No.1407014[Reply]

Can we discuss the new scramble for Africa itt?
Current belligerents:
>France
Has huge presence on the continent despite claims to the contrary. Seeks to restore control over former colonies.
>UK
Brits as usual nothing new here, albeit they seem to be busy with internal problems more.
>Russia
Literally a new player, does the same thing USSR did. Mostly there to counter Europeans and prevent them from acquiring any resources, mostly through training military and providing necessary weapons.
>China
Builds infrastructure, factories, schools, ports and mines. In exchange for resources obviously. African countries see this as a better deal than the one offered by the Europeans.
>USA
No idea what Americans do. I guess trying to counter China and Russia somehow but I’m under impression that the U.S. is currently more busy doing shit in South America and Africa is more of a side objective.

Opinions?

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>>1407045
>For these reasons I've been thinking for a long time that any cadre education today in communist orgs most reverse the classic order of teaching Marxist material (national exploitation -> international exploitation)
but the reason for international exploitation is the contradictions in national exploitation, which are reached much earlier. If you don't understand exploitation that happens irrespective of nations, you won't see why international exploitation is necessitated historically.

I see that you want a more realistic picture of world capitalism as it exists, rather than the idealized version marxists often use which relies on accepting the abstraction of the economy away from the state, wars, etc. before reconcretizing, but to get that it would probably be best to go chronologically then, from merchant capital in the middle ages and its logic, to its eventual control over production, leading to specialization etc, the expansionist ambitions of the aristocratic class and feudal state, revolutions in productivity and technology, colonialism, the industrial revolution, crises, dispossession and the work of landed capital capital, money capital vs productive capital, financial capital in the early 20th century, new stagnant stage of capitalism (turns out to be absolute overproduction), the first world war and revolution, crisis, failures of attempts to overcome the crisis short of the second world war, respite from the crisis, US (and often its allies) worldwide military adventurism, 70s and the long downturn, debt boom, contradictions and oscillatory movements in the regime of absolute overproduction

I think marx does a good job though. Capital was never purely national, just like it was never purely economic and free from the government. Marx knows these things and makes them clear, but also often works in well-worn abstractions from classical economics before bringing reality back around. A concrete understanding of the conditions of the economy from the first beginnings of capital are probably necessary to not misunderstand him.

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>>1407014
>does the same thing USSR did
Helping free Africa from neocolonial stooges? Cool.

 No.1407674

Is China mirroring what Russia is doing?

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>>1407100
>There’s nothing wrong with imperialism so long as it isn’t done by white people
Modern “marxism”

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china has always had the absolute worst foreign policy: see mugabe, Nigeria, Vietnam etc



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 No.1407757[Reply]

Are there any books about how the Federal Reserve engineers controlled crises? Or, the role of central banking under the capitalist mode of production?

Share your ideas?

Without the federal reserve, would inflation alone cause the proletariat to rise up? Therefore the federal reserve stabilizes the status quo, etc.

Jay Powell states in every hearing that the Federal Reserve's mission is to reduce inflation down to two percent. He also states that the strong labor market is the driving force of inflation and that the labor market will need to be softened.

These crises benefit no one, except the major capitalists who consume the competition and accumulate more property due to firesale prices.

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>>1407757
You’re assuming interest rate hikes actually lower inflation which isn’t backed by the empirical evidence. Tax rate hikes lower inflation however and there’s plenty evidence of that. Why don’t the fed do it? You know why



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