>>2381809>What wins or loses an election in the UK is the favour of the formerly industrialised working-class, the former 'red-wall', This is complete and utter bollocks. Labour have always been on the back foot in UK elections despite this group theoretically being a core part of the Labour base. 1951, 1955, 1959, 1970, 1979, 1983, 1987, 1992, 2010, 2015 and to a large extent 2017 were all elections that Labour lost despite retaining the red wall seats - whether as industrialized working class seats, or as post-industrial seats. It's only post-2019 that this stupid myth has cropped up that they're electorally important - half the reason Labour alienated them was because they weren't, so they were taken for granted! It's the Scotland story all over again! (Nearly all Labour's UK-wide wins have the same outcome absent Scotland) Delete every single red wall seat and you know who wins 2024? Keith!
The worst part is that Labour play in to this bollocks themselves, they pivot right on immigration and alienate a good chunk of their actual base. A golden opportunity stood before the party to become the party of both working and middle class, but frankly, to become the party of younger people against increasingly Conservative older people, at a time when voting demographics aren't really shifting with age as they used to - in short, to lock in the kind of permanent-easy victories that the Tories once used to face. Instead, they've fucked it so badly that we can seriously talk about the possibility of the party collapsing.
(Incidentally, if you look abroad, this kind of middle-class centered coalition is why New Zealand Labour has been much more electorally successful than UK Labour since the 1980s. The working class alone just don't give you the numbers you need. Amusingly, NZ Labour is also less reactionary in all aspects.)
I mean the counter argument to your view is all but self-demonstrating: Keir Starmer is much more rhetorically harsh on immigration than Corbyn, and he's somehow managing to poll below Corbyn at his worst despite not even having the press trying to make him kill himself yet.
>>2383119University shitlibs are a much bigger demographic than you think. 33.8% of people have a uni
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