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>>2560074
>>2560067
Trump sucked bill clinton so he is underneath the table sucking billy cock.

Somehow I think Bubba did inhale and Donny swallows.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3M6q4w7wO0

Mamdani gave this man a high role too btw. He has a lot of experience in New York

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_Fuleihan

>>2560167
True, but if he knew about the other stuff he's still an accomplice.

>>2560069
I will say anarchists and libertarians are two sides of the same individualist coin, in abhorring collective responsibility and obsessively fearing being blamed for a situation than whether the issue itself ever gets resolved. Western leftists are absolutely on the side of global oppressed, so long as perpetually bored rentier barista is considered as equal to people who must harvest the coffee beans or else, you disagree with that then you’re collecting the CEO of Starbucks, the death squad paid for with profits as well as tax dollars and said bored unfulfilled barista as all equally responsible for the oppression.

So the discussion about resisting imperialism has to stop, the discussion can only be about establishing that stopping imperialism cannot be against mr and mrs bored barista because they are *not responsible* and treat reduction would be considered a punishment against those who did nothing wrong.

Meanwhile the sane people are looking at each other and asking who claimed bored barista is going to face the wall along side their CEO?

>>2560086
>Meanwhile the sane people are looking at each other and asking who claimed bored barista is going to face the wall along side their CEO?
Anyone claiming that there is no western proletariat, that the western working class are the enemies of the oppressed of the world, etc.

>>2560090
Yeah well everyone can cherry pick retards, but the “third worldist” angle is a common one on leftypol and is generally shared with the wider western, individualist obsession about avoiding collective responsibility.

Claiming discussions about imperialism have been poisoned by a vulgar hatred of the west is essentially the same as when libertarians claim discussion about racism have been poisoned by a desire to have reparations paid by white people who never owned a slave.

>>2560170
I have seen "the western working class are the enemy of the oppressed people of the world" more times than I can count but the only time I've ever seen someone discuss "what can the western left do to help the third world" was literally one time when it was a question directly asked like that, and the answers were a handful of things like "figure out how to give money to third world communist movements".

>>2558684 (me)
>They set the prices for their products by fiat
I really should have split up my post, because I just answer there for Aaron Benanav and I actually don't think pseudo-firms should have a monopoly over price setting. (Though admittedly this monopoly is not a big problem in Super Aaron World, because in SAW you can't squeeze a salary increase for yourself out of raising your prices.) The rest of the post is written from a more Cockshott-like POV and assumes that there are standardized cost-tracking practices and so pricing could mostly just follow that.

>>2558909
>how do we ensure said prices are in line with political goals?
Well, what is really the goal and what is only a means. First of all, the emissions should be set in physical terms. I'm sure that Benanav and Cockshott agree on that.
>with marginal values the answer is straightforward
Absolutely not. You get totally different marginal evaluations depending on the details of how you classify things and what your time horizon for planning is (which changes what is considered a given fixed cost and what is variable).

>>2559711
>First of all, the emissions should be set in physical terms
sure. but that still doesn't answer how commodities produced by the planned sector for producers in the market and for final consumption ought to be priced. pricing is incredibly important for steering the market in some desired direction. for consumers we don't even have to price things - we could decide what consumers need, and issue digital ration cards for said goods. what remains are wants, not needs. we can price wants, such as alcohol, however we want
>You get totally different marginal evaluations depending on the details of how you classify things and what your time horizon for planning is
I am well aware. what do you propose we do instead? in particular with respect to joint production, which is highly relevant for rare earths. we can't use market prices, because market prices change. futures could be useful, but you still need to arrive at a price for said futures. if I'm China and I promise to sell neodymium ingots in the future at some price, then the market is useless for determining what said price should be. by contrast, the marginal value of neodymium over that time horizon can be determined, and the difference between that and whatever the price turns out to be becomes superprofit. and because China is a communist regime, these are communist superprofits

>>2559711
oh and Wright's idea doesn't really help us either, because it only gives us a range of values. in his example corn (or maybe it was seed I forget) eventually gets a value of zero. the planned sector exporting corn for free is obviously silly, assuming said export doesn't happen for other reasons such as humanitarian aid or putting kulaks out of business. perhaps it could be turned into a financial instrument?
a comprehensive planning system would allow us to ask questions like "what is the effect of putting a 10,000 ton neodymium future on the market at 100 worker-hours/ton to be realized in 2030?". this can then be turned into a constraint, which will shift a whole bunch of other stuff around in the planned sector to accommodate that future. this might enable us to pour more labor into defense, or healthcare or whatever

>>2559945
>the planned sector exporting corn for free is obviously silly,
It isn't silly. It just turns out production of those other commodities in the most efficient manner results and a lot of by product. Real life has a lot of waste products in production too. It's just so normalised to think of them as worthless when it's not. Slag can be used in road building, yet it is a waste product with no monetary value, just like corn in his example

>>2560083
oh yeah I shouldn't focus so much on the label. yeah if it were slag it'd make sense. slag can have a value of zero because we can put it in big piles without much issue. there's no inherent need to do anything with it
I wonder if he's worked out the math what the steady state values will be. running a simulation like he does is not particularly elegant
there are plenty of other industrial processes that end up with multiple useful products. copper refiners will extract precious metals out of their anode slimes. the slime itself is often toxic because it contains Pt(IV) ions, so it can't just be kept around

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>>2560096
If Hitler had been a big dicked chad would the Nazis have won? Or would he have just not gone into politics because of all the Gretels he would've been too busy banging?

>>2560108
He would have continued with Kurt Eisner and died a martyr for the communist partisan underground network against a Nazi government led by someone else.

>>2559367

No definitely the USSR should have acted against its direct security interests & the wellbeing of all the peoples living in eastern Poland by allowing Germany to annex all of Poland instead.

>>2560161
he types like such an annoying fuck, has he responded to the allegations of black mold eating his braincells away yet?

>>2558881
So the world Capital System is made up of multiple nested hierarchies, starting with the hierarchies in the social division of labor (aka laborers with the task of commanding other laborers in the name of Capital) moving onto the hierarchies in the national capitalist market wherein workers are subordinated to the national market as a whole, then small capitals are outcompeted by and subordinated to larger and larger capital up to the entire national state as the top of this national capitalist hierarchy, with the state functioning as the executive apparatus for the entire national capitalist structure; the next set of hierarchy is that between the actual national states now and their respective national/transnational firms on the scale of the actual world market which again sorts as the smaller less powerful national capitals are subordinated to the larger ones that then subordinate themselves to supranational structures to compete with their global competitors, which, since the 19th Century, finally all come together to form increasingly complex and real globally integrating executive committees for global capital; think the Congress of Vienna, or the League of Nations, and now the United Nations; which primarily emerge to stabilize relations between the entire world capitalist power structure between imperial national states and their imperialist transnational firms

What is very important to grasp here is that these hierarchies are not stable, in fact they are also riven with antagonism all the way down, from top to bottom; from the antagonism in the labor force between the laborers acting solely as labour-powers and laborers operating as managers of capital, up to the antagonisms between small and large capitals, and the antagonisms between the various nations, and the imperialist blocs. Libertarians ultimately reflect the outlook of the petit bourgeois, the small capitalist; and yet whilst the development of the system progressively annihilates, then reconstitutes more subordinate than last, then annihilates again this class, it is nevertheless entirely reliant on the continuation of the system for the perpetuation of the system; thus a contradictory movement occurs; wherein the libertarian is forced to confront the entire world capitalist system wherein the class position determining his own consciousness is both reliant on but aPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

I watched an interesting video a while ago analyzing the causes behind America's war of independence, and it essentially boiled down to the fact that although both Britain and it's American colonies were well on the road to capitalist liberalism by the late 18th century, the British government had a dual role as botu the guarantor of the profits and property of the British ruling class, as well as the manager of a global empire. Meanwhile, the colonial governments in America only fulfilled that first role with respect to the colonial elites. This led to a contradiction wherein the British government was forced to temporarily work against the interests of the colonial rulers in America for the broader interests of its empire (e.g. tax them to pay for wars in Europe, maintain peaceful relations with Indigenous allies, fund new colonial ventures in India, etc.). I think that right wing anti-globalism and anti-interventionism (dare I say, anti-imperialism) in America is fuelled by a similar contradiction. Even if America's role as the head of a Western imperialist coalition is good for the collective Western bourgeoisie (and especially American bourgeoisie) as a whole, this doesn't mean it's good for all levels of it at all times. Imagine as an example a small time manufacturer that struggles to keep up with larger competitors at the best of times, when along comes free trade and those competitors can pick up and go to Mexico or China, thus cutting costs and becoming even more competitive. It's not hard to see how this could lead to the emergence of a movement which is hostile to the more international aspects of modern capitalism and the American empire, but still very much pro-capitalist.

>>2560020
this is quote a long video about british india, but a similar thing occurred there with two camps. mercantilists in the East India Company just wanted to cautiously collect tribute, make profit and do trade without expending too much money in wars, which could also affect stability.
Expansionists wanted to wage wars to conquer territories to gain even greater profit. but the mercantilists thought it was too costly, and didn't want to take responsibility for ruling vast lands and populations.

libertarians believe in selling everything that isn't nailed to the ground, their ideal state is literally a failstate like russia during the mid 90s

Because they are idealists who think the modern capitalist economy is "not real capitalism".

>>2559924
Sabotaging the environmentalist movement and safeguarding capitalism.

What if this is all HAARP?

Iran are a bunch of cucks. Should have nuked pissrael when had the chance. Shit like this bothers me because it all plays into the stupid judaist mythology that the pissraelis are god's chosen demons and they keep getting away with it.

I am sure russia and china have their own haarp. They should use it to help iran. Why are iran's allies such cucks? Why does brics not want to destroy the west?

What if this is all blown out of proportion?

>>2560116
oh btw, and justs googling this now the vile little fucker tried to salt the earth with accusations of racism, from the gruandianian:
>On Friday afternoon, Hussain said via X he had spent recent months reflecting on his role in an organisation he had believed would be based on “a commitment to equality, justice and anti-racism”.
<He said: “Regrettably, the reality I encountered has been far from this vision. The culture surrounding the party has become dominated by persistent infighting, factional competition and a struggle for power, position and influence rather than a shared commitment to the common good.
>“Instead of openness, cooperation and outward focus, the environment has too often felt toxic, exclusionary and deeply disheartening.”
<Hussain condemned what he said felt like “veiled prejudice” in the way he and other Muslim independent MPs had been treated within the party, talking about “generalised accusations and offensive slurs”.
I legitimately don't believe it for a second. What i'm guessing he's doing is using his decrepit nonsense religion as a cover for his conservative beliefs and claiming it's racism to oppose him on this ground. Fucking cunt.

>>2560122
slurs were just flying about n that
no explanation needed

>>2560092
Is it now racist to not want a culturally reactionary Islamo-Conservative anti-LGBT pro-incest mega-landlord as the 2nd in command of your progressive Socialist party?
For what it's worth I think Your Party have already fucked it beyond the point of fixability and ever becoming a major political force, even with him gone.
There's already internal splits, legal and financial disputes, etc.
They've played up to the worst stereotypes of leftist failure to organise & infighting, they've made total clowns of themselves thus far.

>>2560138
Somehow this will all be blamed on the ever elusive trans mob

>>2560139
Undoubtedly.
And don't get me wrong, I do want Your Party to succeed, maybe I'll join once they decide on policies if they seem reasonable enough in direction.
I just think they have made things so much harder for themselves than it needed to be with everything that's happened so far.

Killing peter thiel would immediately have salutatory effects.

No shit uyghur, but nobody actually believes in a better world anymore, so random acts of violence is the best we get

>>2560107
What if violence is necessary to create a better world?

>>2560109
It is

The point of political violence is to bring attention, whether its some retard mass shooter or lugigi the fact it happens shows the state cannot maintain control. Don't look at it being real revolutionary action, look at it more of a sign of collaping conditions.