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It's a new international network of communist, socialist and left-patriotic parties.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovintern

The ACP and Galloway's Workers Party of Britain is in it so it's gonna trigger some people. Some SocDems are in it. Evo Morales and the Sandanistas are in it. But overall I would give them a chance, considering the rather dysfunctional state of the IMCWP right now (thanks KKE).
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>>2811937
Don't laugh! Allah all mighty and Jesus are on their side. Conservative nationalism truly is the most anti-imperialist movement.

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>>2811942
the trve and avthentic movement

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>>2811945
Volume 2



 

>first October 7 - Israel's 9/11 sequel
>then the Houthis attack the Galaxy Leader and kidnap 25 people
>then the Houthis kill 3 US servicemembers in a drone strike in Jordan
>then the 12 day war
>then two US Navy SEALs drown in the Arabian Sea trying to seize Iranian supplies going to the Houthis
>now the 2026 Iran War that resulted in the US not achieving any of its day 1 objectives, instead getting stuck in an expensive war as Iran unleashes hell on US military bases across the middle east with intelligence provided by Russia, the Strait of Hormuz is blocked still, other countries are getting involved (like France) and Israel is running out of soldiers from the Gaza War that depleted them severely, including inflicting heavy losses on their Merkava tanks
>now Israel wants to seize Southern Lebanon, but Hezbollah is waging a drone war and stormed Israeli military bases in Northern Israel (including drone striking Bibi Netanyahu's house a couple years back)
Did Hamas just pull a 9/11 on Israel? First a terror attack followed by a war that Israel can't win. Just like when Al-Qaeda attacked the United States in 2001 and got us into two wars that we lost (Iraq and Afghanistan). This Iran war is extremely unpopular at home. All the signs are there. Israel is losing support in the US. While Israel relies mostly on Azeri oil rather than Gulf oil like the US and thus the Strait of Hormuz getting blocked mostly doesn't affect them, just remember that Turkey can block that oil off if they really wanted to. Now famines are gonna hit due to shortages in gas and fertilizer in poor countries, and Tel Aviv lie in ruins from constant Iranian missiles. Israel's reserves are worn out and suffered heavy losses in the Gaza war (400 dead IDF I think after October 7 where 1,200 or 1,300 were killed by a vastly weaker opponent) they can't fight 4 wars at once. They won Syria after the FSA took over. But will Israel survive this? Haredis don't want to fight and many people are leaving Israel because they're tired of living underground in bomb shelters constantly.
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>>2811730
what a sad self-contradictory little man.

to summarise: he's advocating for a revisionist form of kahanism that is nationalist, independant of the US, and non-hostile to the palestinians. this is fucking absurd! he betrays himself by advocating for a disentanglement of jewish and american interests whilst not being able to distinguish jews in israel and the USA.

there was a nationalist zionist movement before kahane: bundist labor zionism. what happened to it? when the USSR dissolved and israel got the bomb there was no value in maintaining the charade.

he's putting the cart before the horse by advocating for a movement to change economic and political realities. in practice the economic and political reality of zionism dictates the relation that zionism has with capital: their state needs infusions of money because it can't renew or perpetuate itself without violence and conflict.

there's no jewish national liberation movement in palestine because there hasn't been a jewish nation for 2000 years: far longer than there is any meaningful claim to the land. the zionists in palestine were put there by the british during their war with muhammad ali pasha. every zionist from theodore herzl onwards knew this was a colonial project of displacement and weren't coy about it at all.

no amount of posturing will change the basic facts of the situation, but posturing is all he can do.

Two more weeks and Zionism will be in the dustbin of history… two more weeks.

They’re running out of reservists, unless they can get the US to join them on the ground in both Syria and Lebanon the army is close to collapsing

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>>2811849
I understand the skepticism. I'm sure zionism will continue to persist as a tradition of dead generations. the problem is there are a number of practical issues and contradictions that when considered together should be considered dire existential risk.

> loss of patronage

israel used to skate in US politics as a foreign policy issue for libs. as yanks face an indefinite fuel crisis and conscription this is no longer the case. recent polls reflect this new reality, as does your presence.

> lack of regional allies

with the latest gulf crisis the abraham accords are breaking apart. this is returning israel to it's historical norm of being situated amongst nations they have antagonised to the point of hostility. the effort being put into courting greece is telling: but greece has no money and no real dog in the fight.

> toxic association

in spite of massive censorship and repression, even casual association with israel is social, political, and economic suicide. the growing legitimacy and effectiveness of BDS is growing harder to hide. this has dire consequences for trade and diplomacy.

> unavoidable economic recession

the powerhouse of the israeli economy was tech, many of these companies have reincorporated overseas. the workforce has been called into the army, or fled. agriculture and manufacturing are struggling to find markets to export, agriculture is particularly vulnerable to logistical disruptions. israel's credit is shot and financing reconstruction will be difficult. lack of economic opportunity will deter settlers and immigration.

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>>2810257
>completely decimate Israel's PR and let particularly young people see the true face of the Zionist state
the concept of public relations was, of course, developed by that Freud nephew Bernays. the original Jewish psyop guy

>>2810287
>they will have the 'muh antisemitism' shield to hide behind in one form or another.
gen alpha teens learning about the holocaust are laughing more than those black kids watching that Spielberg slop movie Schindler's List



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Brace through the hyper-real lacanian void together!

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>The Society of the Spectacle (1967) by Guy Debord
📖 • https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/debord/society.htm
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0blWjssVoUQ

<The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction (1936) by Walter Benjamin

📖 • https://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/ge/benjamin.htm
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>>2811808
I disagree and these are all real pics so get good means nothing

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Chud the Builder. Maybe you've heard of him. Here we have a man who has built his entire platform off of performing some of the most antisocial behavior possible. A man who is truly antithetical to the type of masculinity we promote here at HOUDINI Magazine.

At HOUDINI Magazine, we promote a masculinity that's about uplifting people, seeing people better than they are, being a pillar of your community, pro-social behavior. It's counterintuitive to this sort of grifter, right-wing, hustle-bro mentality that has been propagandized to the point where we now have men like this who build their entire platform off of hate.

The right will protect this man, and they will fund this man, and they will say they protect him because they value free speech. As we know, if you follow me, the right wing's hypocrisy about free speech has already been exposed. Otherwise I would not be facing fifteen years in a Florida penitentiary for criticizing a right-wing influencer.

So how did Chud the Builder build his platform, you might be wondering. What does he do? Does he do on-the-street interviews? Is he one of those speed runners? Does he play video games? That's what streaming was originally all about, so maybe that's what he does. No. He builds his platform off of agitation and antisocial behavior.

Tennessee is an open carry state, so he open carries. That's his right in this country. Then he goes around, finds Black people, and calls them slurs for the camera. Imagine you are with your family, your child, your wife, your children, going about your day. You stop into a corner store or gas station to get a drink for you and your kids, get a bug juice for the kiddo. And here we have this streamer who's being paid handsomely by his right-wing sycophants, and he walks up to you and calls you the N-word straight to your face, right in front of your children. But if you say anything back, then you're against his free speech.

Is this the type of behavior we want in our society? Do we, the people, really want a man who believes this is the example to set for his own children? Make no mistake: you may have bought a small pittance for your children, but you haven't secured their future.

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>>2810563
>Rosenblum
every. single. time.


>>2811931
THE WHITE MAN MARCHES ON



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Under capitalism, games are job-like, but what if under socialism, jobs were game-like? A socialist society could take the artistic lessons of what makes something tedious more fun, addictive, and rewarding, and use it to labor required to make society function less miserable? You guys will probably shit on this idea but at least try to critique it constructively or think creatively about it.

>>2811868
> use it to make the* labor required to make society function less miserable

I had this same thought a long time ago, I wanna say about 14 years ago when I hard my first job. I considered myself "socialist" even back then but knew basically nothing about class struggle or the history of the labor movement. There was a lot of talk in tech about "augmented reality" back then and I imagined workers wearing VR goggles that overlay a colorful UI over their daily asks and encourage them to keep going. But I realized that's basically tech bro carrot and stick bullshit meant to make people into nerds who cherish their own exploitation.

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=neoliberal+gamification
>About 10,100 results (0.09 sec)
damn…………



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the funniest thing about "anti-revisionism" vs "revisionism" is that it is not something Marx ever mentioned, because he would never imagine himself as the static, unchanging root of a globe-spanning political project called "Marxism" with various branches like "Marxism-Leninism", "Marxism-Leninism-Mao-Zedong-Thought", "Marxism-Leninism-Maoism", "Stalinism, "Hoxhaism" and so on . Instead, Marx revised himself several times during his own life, moving from a framework rooted in alienation and species-being, to a framework rooted in (what would later be called) historical and dialectical materialism. Engels famously said that he and Marx's system was a method, not a dogma, and Kim-Il-Sung repeated this when innovating Juche, as did Deng Xiaoping when innovating "Socialism with Chinese Characteristics", make of that what you will. So if innovation is allowed and Marxism is a method, and not a dogma, why all the controversy about "revisionism?" If Marxism is meant to be applied to unique spatio-temporal conditions which outsiders, even sympathetic outsiders, usually fail to understand, why do outsiders always look for "revisionism" to condemn? Why not just accept that we are all striving not for "[insert the name of Great Men]" -ism but Communism and that our paths towards Communism are evolutionarily convergent from our different spatiotemporal standpoints rather than divergent from some imagined "anti-revisionist" standpoint? Am I being revisionist right now?

Let's look at how Marxists.org defines revisionism (you may disagree with each other on this very point):

> Revisionism


>A fundamental alteration of a theory, essentially usurping (though taking elements of) the former theory and replacing it with a new one. While the attributes of a theory are subject to change in accordance to changing historic circumstances, changing the fundamental basis of that theory is to nullify it in place of a new one.


Was Marx "Revisionist" when he revised himself? Who has the authority to decide the criteria for what is "subject to change in accordance to changing historic circumstances" and what is not?

I think the encouraging results of an even half-successful practice matter more than the purity of theory, personally.
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>>2807125
>This place has deteriorated
people are just tired of correcting the same repeat misconception hundreds of times from the same few trolls

>>2807870
the trolls outnumber the sincere anons and you know it. and being tired is no excuse to stoop to their level.

>>2808020
>being tired is no excuse to stoop to their level
thats why people just stop posting and leave

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>it works in practice but it doesn't work in theory edition

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>>2796891
If there was a black member of the team he would have born in Africa or his parents immigrated here.


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>>2811331
"Dengism" is just Marxism, Marxism is inescapable

>>2796896
No; you are posting on an imageboard, which means you aren't Chad.

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very stupid move. the USA will fuck them over. the USA cannot be trusted.



 

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>>2811913
you really shouldn't use The Communist Manifesto as a source of all truth. after all, it's a Manifesto.

>>2811841
After the 4chan/twitter presidency, will we have a leftypol presidency?

>>2811923
Minister of light industry and consumer goods felix
Ministry of action felix
Minister of unions cpusa anon

Minister of sex ed ginjeet
Minister of culture and historical remembrance
Wrong schizo
Ambassador from maldive to usa
Chagos

>>2811597
fedlix is always on the offensive. always looking for a way your words "prove" something bad about you. when you clarify to the extent that he runs out of uncharitable interpretations, he doesn't apologize, he just disappears, happy to have wasted your time. he is a troll.

>>2811841
>counterterrorism czar Sebastian Gorka
https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/new-counterterror-strategy-eyes-tucker
<Let’s be real: none of this is actually about extremism. It’s about the fact that Carlson, like Fuentes, recently broke with Trump — bitterly — over the Iran War. That's the real offense. So now they’re being cast as extremist threats. But to avoid alarming conservatives, the administration can't just say that — it has to first strip them of their conservative credentials, redefine them as something foreign-affiliated and dangerous, and then go after them.
"You aren't a real conservative if you don't cheer the finance pedo cabal of Jeffrey Epstein Zionists who have raped countless thousands of your neighbors" Literally the only thing conservatives care about is avoiding being cucked by globalists lol
<You don’t have to like Carlson or Fuentes (who says things like “I love Hitler” and is easy not to like) in order to see that. Consider, for a moment, the rhetoric that likely fueled Gorka’s freakout.
<Carlson has called Trump’s Iran war “the single biggest mistake Trump, or any American president, has made in my lifetime.” He has slammed the strikes as “reprehensible and immoral,” insisting the war “doesn’t serve American interests in any conceivable way” and suggesting it happened “at the behest and then the demand of Israel.”
<…that’s the substance Gorka is trying to launder out of the “conservative movement” by redefining Carlson and Fuentes as something else: in Carlson’s case, a Sharia fan.
"Islam thinks your daughters should not be sex slaves traded in the free market" yet another thing conservatives define their entire ideology around avoiding
<At this point you might be wondering why none of this has been reported — a question big mouth Gorka answers in an interview with actor-turned-media commentator Dean Caine about the National Counterterrorism Strategy. Gorka beams about how little negative coverage the media have given the Strategy, calling it “delicious.”
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This thread is for the discussion of cybercommunism, the planning of the socialist economy by computerized means, including discussions of related topics and creators. Drama belongs in /isg/

Reading
Towards a New Socialism by Paul Cockshott and Allin Cottrell: http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/socialism_book/
Brain of the Firm by Stafford Beer
Cybernetic Revolutionaries by Eden Medina
Cybernetics: Or the Control and Communication in the Animal and the Machine and The Human Use of Human Beings (1st edition) by Norbert Wiener
Economic cybernetics by Nikolay Veduta
People's Republic of Walmart by Leigh Phillips and Michal Rozworski
Red Plenty by Francis Spufford
Economics in kind, Total socialisation and A system of socialisation by Otto Neurath (Incommensurability, Ecology, and Planning: Neurath in the Socialist Calculation Debate by Thomas Uebel provides a summary)

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>Paul Cockshott

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>>2811640 (me)
*too high

>>2811640
You are the one who is bestricken. Democratic Centralism is not Democracy. Recall is good. There is no such thing as bourgeois democracy. The people will vote to recall selected citizens they don't want to serve. Randomly selected citizens who have a stake in management decisions will serve to make those decisions. Voting by phone will not be a high bureaucratic hurdle. Random selection is progressive because it moves to eliminate the class distinction between managers of systems and those affected by them. Recall is progressive because it gives those affected by management decisions a collective veto over randomly selected citizens.

>>2811897
how to stop The People (tm) from collectively deciding to dissolve random selection and recall out of spite and laziness?

>>2811902
Epsteinite talk.

>>2789841
I have trouble following the Manhattan thing he talks about. Anyone have some insight into this?



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