/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>227200
We do a little purging.

>>230930
>>231079
>"uyghurs"
t. /pol/

There is no America. Who's supposed to get upset about this? Everyone hopes their opposition live shorter lives here.

What's a good womb to sire a child and raise them with left values with? A protestant or a Catholic womb?

>>231251
Have sex with a stranger and never call them again

The case for socialist natalism is that the class struggle is the point. Because the class struggle requires a class, that is a population, we must coom and sire tens of children and inculcate them in the class struggle.

We must create a new cooming East Germany to spring forth new life for the class struggle.

So is the u.s starting a defecto general strike? It really feels like change is on the horizon.

>>231126
There was someone on Plebbit Who made an effort post describing how BH was when they were briefly a member.
They basically claim that literally every other socialist group in history including other Black socialists like fred-hampton, Sankara and so on were all colonised KKKracka slaves who believed in lies like the KKKracka instigated agricultural revolution instead of retuning to hunter gatherer lifestyle like they should have.

Building "Hammer city" was apparently the goal from the very beginning and its where all the money from member fees and the "reparations corps" go to.

they basically think Gazi himself is the greatest philosopher revolutionary and leader that has ever existed.

so yeah a cult in all but name

>>231135
lol they really dont get the metaphor.

BH is exactly what lenin meant when he talked about richoids taking revolutionary messages and themes and vulgarizing them


They would have insulted Sankara or Mao but now that they're dead they'll profit of their rhetoric

Meds

Grass

Issac Assimov on Orwell the retard (pic)

In Orwells animal farm Boxer(an allegory for the Russian working class) the horse collapsed from overwork and the pigs (the "Stalinist clique") sent Boxer to the glue factory so they could buy a case of whiskey.
Whereas, in reality, when the Soviet Union started paying pensions in Russia under Stalin the retirement age was 60 for men and 55 for women.
Which was lower than practically any capitalist country at the time.

An erstwhile trot, as Parenti said:
>In the middle of World War II, as the Soviet Union was fighting for its life against the Nazi invaders at Stalingrad, Orwell announced that a “willingness to criticize Russia and Stalin is the test of intellectual honesty. It is the only thing that from a literary intellectual’s point of view is really dangerous” (Monthly Review, 5/83). Safely ensconced within a virulently anticommunist society, Orwell (with Orwellian doublethink) characterized the condemnation of communism as a lonely courageous act of defiance. Today, his ideological progeny are still at it, offering themselves as intrepid left critics of the Left, waging a valiant struggle against imaginary Marxist-Leninist-Stalinist hordes.

>>231230
Whatever you think about 'The List', let me just say, speaking as someone who had a very major Orwell phase in their teens, and read the complete collected essays in four volumes: his socialism was insubstantial, inconsistent and unscientific. He was very inconsistent in all his positions, e.g. swapping between pro- and anti-pacifist stances during the outbreak of WWII, making wildly wrong and constantly changing predictions about the outcome of the war (e.g. that Britain would never beat Germany unless there was a socialist revolution in England), etc. And despite his long essay against nationalism he still came out with 'The Lion and the Unicorn' which is basically Nazbol-tier support of english 'partriotism' (because the working class are patriotic!!!!!11) as a vital necessity for a socialist revolution – an essay which he then, in turn, vehemently disowned. There are all sorts of dodgy things about him, honestly. Take this quote from his review of Mein Kampf: 'I have never been able to dislike Hitler.' He had even nicer things to say about Churchill.
I get the impression most of his socialism came from guilt at his upper class upbringing (going to Eton) and his time spent as a colonial policeman in Burma.
>People call him english chauvinist, but that was only because of his time and upbringing
Tbh I think you have it arse backwards. His support for 'socialism' seems to have stemmed from his upbringing – it being fashionable, among rebellious upper-class teenagers at that time, to call oneself 'socialist'. His english chauvinism, however, was conscious, and not necessarily a given (there were plenty of intelligent, internationalist-minded communists around, upper class or not: in fact, he engaged in polemics with them).
Apart from the escapade in Spain he was never very active in the socialist movement. He joined the Independent Labour Party, essentially a smaller, slightly more left wing parliamentary socialist party. But he still supported the Labour Party. In fact his main preoccupation – and you see this in his essays – was always literary criticism and (very unsuccessful, until the very end) novel-writing. In his political journalism he just wrote about current events, never particularly insightfully, from a boringly liberal-tinged parliamentary labour party type positPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>231273
>Safely ensconced within a virulently anticommunist society, Orwell (with Orwellian doublethink) characterized the condemnation of communism as a lonely courageous act of defiance.
As in, the common man on the street was anticommunist, but the literary and academic social structure was not. Communism was embraced by intellectuals in Britain at a greater rate than in most of the west. Being that Orwell was a writer and political commentator, and not a coal miner or a factory worker, of course there's merit to his quote.

>>223483
There used to be some direct democracy parties, but they all failed to gain popular support… most of these were some kind of "pirate party" or internet weird thing totally disconnected from the proletariat though.
I would like to hear more about how could we advance such a party.

>>218493
>>218968
What do you think about the recent (political) developments in the DPRK? I think that after shifting the focus from nuclearization/military build up, the WPK will now set its sights on developing the economy. What do you as cybersocs think? Is there more room for cybernetic socialism in the DPRK if they manage to build, for example a reliable powergrid? See:
>>213965
>>226853
>>226944

>>230377
It's a possibility, but from my interpretation of the historical context of DPRK it is also similarly likely, if not moreso, that they will go the rightist route (as have been speculated before). So far it has not happened to the degree of let's say the doi-moi reforms, and they've kind of stagnated instead, as you've already pointed out.
For me, in terms of looking for communist movements and contexts where cybersoc would be more likely to be met with appeal I keep a close eye on the MLM movements, namely CPP, CPI(M) and PCP, due to the integration of the Mass Line as a concept and robust anti-revisionism, which lends itself to the contributions of Cockshott imo. But in your favor is the point that the DPRK is the most likely DotP already existing to have a chance of implementing it, I completely agree with that, so it's definitely complicated and an interesting topic. If you find more about cybernetics / IT deployed by the DPRK in contrast to other ML states then do share so we'll get a better understanding of how this may develop.

>>230377
sounds like a promising development
the nork internet seems a bit weird what with it not using DNS from what I hear
is there any data on what resources, capital stocks etc are available in the DPRK?

>>230377
>>230542
>>231247
the DPRK is likely too paranoid to use import computer hardware for critical nodes in a cybernetic socialist system. What are the chances that they get enough trusted IT equipment ?

They can use backdoored import hardware if they only run them with encrypted binaries and data, and direct the system from trusted hardware. So that the bulk of processing horsepower can be done with insecure commercial chips, while they can get away with relatively weak but secure control node computers, they could potentially make them self.

>>231145
zu sagen dass mainstream medien wirtschaftspolitische interessen haben und daraus folgend eine agenda verfolgen die sie der masse unterjubeln wollen gleicht für dich also schon fast einer rechten verschwörungstheorie? oder wie soll ich deinen kommentar verstehen?

>>231219
hat dieser typ schonmal vom NKFD gehört?

>>231227
Wo wir schon bei dem Thema sind:

Christoph Süß ist der progressivste Satiriker, den ich bisher im deutschen Fernsehn gesehen habe.
Seine Sendung behandelt immer eine Mischung aus Regionalem, Nationalem und internationalen Krisen.
Ich vermute weil er so viel Regionales macht, kann er auch relativ oft Kritik am Neoliberalismus oder der bürgerlichen Demokratie üben.

Es steht um den Marxismus sehr schlecht in Deutschland, aber ich denke wir haben in Sachen Heimatfront noch einiges vor uns.

>>231267
>ich denke wir haben in Sachen Heimatfront noch einiges vor uns.
das liegt vorallem daran das wir die Propaganda nicht beherrschen.

How revisionist DPRK is from MLM standpoint?
I mean, based on translated texts, Juche allows national capitalists to coexist with the vanguard party. They employ "united front" instead of DotP, allow joint-cooperatives where national capitalists can freely participate and their profit depends on amount of capital they've brought.
How it is anons? I tried to base my info only on official DPRK writings on the topic, not agitprop from US.

>>231225
>They employ "united front"
This is what Maoist China always did, by having the CPC as a dominant party in a united coalition of parties.

>>231225
>>231254
Also which translated text is your source regarding the presence of national bourgeoisie in the DPRK?

>>231257
>A Democratic People’s Republic … must be built by forming a democratic united front … which embraces … even the national capitalists
Kim Il Sung: ‘On the Building of New Korea and the National United"
>The entrepreneurs and traders of our country are fellow- travellers… not only in carrying out the democratic revolution but also in socialist construction
Kim Il Sung: ‘On the Immediate Tasks of the People’s Power in Socialist Construction’
>From the beginning our policy in regard to the national bourgeoisie was not only to carry out the anti-imperialist, anti-feudal democratic revolution together with them, but also to take them along with us to a socialist, communist society
Kim Il Sung: ‘Let Us further Strengthen the Socialist System of Our Country’
And also entire Socialist Transformation of Private Trade and Industry in Korea, published in 1997

>>231254
Only in national-democratic revolution stage. They transitioned to DotP starting with socialist revolution.

>>231194
Destiny is such a manlet, when even vaush is taller than you

>>231080
History channels are mostly reactionary in nature. The rest are Liberals and you rarely see a leftist one

>>231203
Post any communist history channels

>>231231
What does that have to do with anything? Even you are correct on that point, that has no bearing on whether or not people need the threat of destitution to be motivated to work.

The whole point of socialism is to abolish exploitation and get rid of parasites. Why would you want to reintroduce parasitism in the form of NEETs that mooch of working people? Besides i don't think allowing freeloaders to exist will be a popular policy among the working class. Real retard hours.

>>231249
The whole point of socialism is to abolish the working class, not ossify the conditions that created it.

>>231249
>Why would you want to reintroduce parasitism in the form of NEETs that mooch of working people?
Would those NEETs be lording over everyone else the way capitalists do now? If not, then they're not really comparable.
>Besides i don't think allowing freeloaders to exist will be a popular policy among the working class. Real retard hours.
So long as they're not numerous enough to be a big drain on society, I don't think most people will care. Besides, people might like the idea of being able to just drop out of the workforce if they feel the need to do so.

I should probably elaborate more on why I think making work optional would, overall, help prevent labor exploitation. Under capitalism, people frequently enter into highly exploitative employment arrangements, ones that pay them little and treat them poorly. Why do they do this? Because they wouldn't be able to survive, or at least not comfortably, without those employment arrangements. That said, if people had all their basic needs guaranteed to them, they could afford to be choosier about their employment. The most abusive employers would be forced to treat their workers better or go out of business. In the context of socialism, guaranteeing people their basic needs could help prevent the reemergence of wage labor, although, admittedly, there may be other ways of doing that, like guaranteed employment. However, guaranteed employment can come with its own issues, like providing less incentive for people to do their jobs well. Of course, one could have both guaranteed employment and guaranteed basic needs simultaneously.

I would apply similar logic to rent and mortgages. If people are guaranteed housing, then there are few ways that landlords and housing lenders and arise and exploit people.

>>230915
kys fashoid