/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2294581
There is a discord dedicated to custom Fumo Drops. Maybe with enough support and collaborations with the admins here it can be done.
invite: /Unz9Jfqe

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>>2314923
>i agree with myself, project it onto you, and congratulate myself
Narcissist

>>2314925
You didn't make a counter argument, and still haven't. The correct translation is "China Communist Party". Learn Chinese if you're gonna weigh in on what is or isn't a faithful translation, idiot.

>>2314930
The CPC calls itself CPC in its official English language organs.


Shut. The. Fuck. Up.

>>2314923
Comunque la versione corretta rimane "Partito Comunista Cinese", ergo "PCC", ma gli angloidi non sono pronti per sta cosa

>>2314938
Yes, they use the comintern naming convention for english. Doesn't change the fact that CCP is a perfectly valid (actually more faithful) translation. CPUSA is called "America Communist Party" in Chinese but you wouldn't call that some sinister plot, would you. Just how languages work.

>>2314186 (me)
forgot pic

Dude lol

UN nuclear watchdog board finds Iran not complying with nuclear obligations
>Al Jazeera
I think war is on it's way, boyos

>>2314936
Haha shit is so fucked

all the succesful socialist movements were nationalistic

>>2314926
patriotic, not nationalistic

>>2314921
deport to where?

>>2314934
Kosovo will become the red mans home.

>>2314921
So they are going on the reservations that they forced the Natives onto after stealing their lands. I guess they wanted to finish their Ethnic cleansing if that is the case.

>>2314919
i bet you think you're really clever, don't you.
the policy is to let neither of them in. it's not "all or nothing" to think that, given this is the policy, this should be the stated policy. politicians should not pat themselves on the back for helping "real" refugees.
(uhh, hong kongers and ukranians, apparently.)
weird how when ukranians want to flee war, they're very welcome, but when sudanese or congolese want to do the same thing, uhh, they're clearly fleeing the economic consequences of war, that's different…

btw marx said i'm right:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/
>This remarkable anonymous work… is… celebrated… as the substance… is… self-evident.

>>2314928
>weird how when ukranians want to flee war, they're very welcome
the gubmint here didn't allow ukie refugees for at least the first year, too white and Christian

>>2314928
>weird how when ukranians want to flee war, they're very welcome, but when sudanese or congolese want to do the same thing, uhh, they're clearly fleeing the economic consequences of war, that's different…
youre the one who said that theres no meaningful distinction between regugees and economic migrants, not me. you are the one lumping them all together into opportunists, when i am saying that there are in fact, real refugees, who we should support.
>marx
you made no point about marx to be correct on. you complained that no one was being "marxist". i quote marx, now you refuse to accept marx's words. weird, that. anyway, since you hold marx's words to be gospel, you must think that immigration lowers wages, and is therefore, antagonistic to the working class.

>>2314868
>the marxist point would be that immigration is a bourgepis conspiracy to lower national wages. should i have brought that up?
Marx at no point states that immigration is a "conspiracy", rather it is an inevitable outcome of systemic capitalist forces. Show me where Marx's solution to this is capitulation and collaboration with the bourgeoisie state in an effort to remove or stifle immigration, as opposed to the organizing of labour so as to make the question of wages a non-sequitor, and push the workers to revolution? When Engels speaks of the conditions of the English working class, none of his comments on the Irish are prescriptive in regards to doing away with them. On the contrary, Marx states openly thus:
<And most important of all! Every industrial and commercial centre in England now possesses a working class divided into two hostile camps, English proletarians and Irish proletarians. The ordinary English worker hates the Irish worker as a competitor who lowers his standard of life. In relation to the Irish worker he regards himself as a member of the ruling nation and consequently he becomes a tool of the English aristocrats and capitalists against Ireland, thus strengthening their domination over himself. He cherishes religious, social, and national prejudices against the Irish worker. His attitude towards him is much the same as that of the “poor whites” to the Negroes in the former slave states of the U.S.A.. The Irishman pays him back with interest in his own money. He sees in the English worker both the accomplice and the stupid tool of the English rulers in Ireland.
<This antagonism is artificially kept alive and intensified by the press, the pulpit, the comic papers, in short, by all the means at the disposal of the ruling classes. This antagonism is the secret of the impotence of the English working class, despite its organisation. It is the secret by which the capitalist class maintains its power. And the latter is quite aware of this.
<But the evil does not stop here. It continues across the ocean. The antagonism between Englishmen and Irishmen is the hidden basis of the conflict between the United States and England. It makes any honest and serious co-operation between the working Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2314931
there are more people from Ukraine in this country than there are from Reading, Norwich, Bolton, Swindon, Southend, Oxford…
(and they're allowed to take their families too. weird.)

>>2314932
i never said they were opportunists. i said the idea that economic migration is opportunism is laughable.
again: if you're dying in a famine, is it opportunism to want to go somewhere with food? does that make you a bastard? is it morally right to just go "ha ha, too bad, so sad, die" because this is an economic problem and not a political one. (how, pray tell, does a marx-enjoyer draw a distinction between the economic and the political?)

marx personally agrees with me. he used dialectics to foresee my post and he clearly included his agreement, right there in the text:
>This remarkable anonymous work… is… celebrated… as the substance… is… self-evident.
there in the black and white. you can't argue with marx, mate, you've not got the balls.

>>2314767
>>2314755
retard tbh

>>2314713
if your judgement is not obfuscated by ideology it's all pretty clear, it's a game of power, control, domination, you know, ape shit

poo

>Marx was.. le good?
I applaud OP for this controversial opinion here on leftypol dot org that definitely deserved its own thread

instead of these general statements eother way, can you provide some specific examples of disagreement?

>>2314883
Dengbeetles keep winning

>>2314861
Ok? Everything in american history comes with some degree of imperialism. But that's not a very convincing story to organize the proletariat with, thus their strategy of restructuring american historiography to a "socialist" framing. If you don't think that's a good strategy that's fine, I don't think it's very useful either. But it's not really something that is somehow of use to feds lol

>>2314883
Of course it is anon, it has the second most powerful state and the largest communist party in the world supporting and spreading it actively

>>2314217
People hated Gorky because he's homophobic despite the fact that he was a giant of social realist literature
Which is so fucking stupid btw, Marx had racist sentiments but people have no problem separating the man from the ideas, queer people are just very thin skinned (understandable since they are persecuted all the time but still)

>>2314883
Seriously how can Chinese socialism attract more adherents than the correct line of AnarchoTrotskyism-MoonPolPotism-Gonzaloism with Atlantean Characteristics? It's a mystery.

>>2314890
People love winners.

I suspect this will be disappeared, here's what I wrote elsewhere

shut down tor if you are not monitoring the board with anything approaching consistency. Not saying it's the best option or that's how it should be but it's the least bad option working with what we have. Mod check-ins every couple hours by all appearance is what we have.

And why the fuck is post search still disabled? What did you do? Will you reinstitute it ever? Was there actually some fuckery with the search or is it precautionary? The length of time suggests the former but we can't know.
Do you have any idea what you are doing?

As I've said all along, the 'glownon' tag will act as advertisement for the worst faith actors who otherwise never would have read the faq.

ummm I don't like it when certain words are used in combination, can the mods do something about this cause I'm a fat pussy?
thanks

>>2314902
You do t have to like it but we have rules.
If you want a site without then go make it.

<it's just words, man
>

I would like to have you understand that you have been getting a shot in the arm (quantity-wise) with this snafu in ameriga- it's not gonna help you long-term if you don't take some measures (ie get mod activity up, just a little from very low levels)
In general, sacrificing quality to quantity (which may or may not be happening but it sure is more comforting than the alt) does not work

Lose land, save men, land can be retaken
Waste men to get land, both land and men are lost
Or something, I haven't got it yet. A few more incidents and it will reveal itself.

>>2313954
yeah we dont say things like this because the same was said about ukraine. its entirely within mi6 ability to manufacture a crisis in estonia/lithuania that requires intervention and they have already laid the groundwork. le putler restoring the ussr can be turned into a self fulfilling prophecy if nato decides to give some rabid butthurt belters a reason

<"US intelligence officials are increasingly concerned about Israel striking Iran without Washington's approval. It is almost certain that an Israeli strike on Iran will spoil the negotiations and prompt Iran to retaliate" – WAPO
I'm not surprised that the US is replaying its Kremlin strategy. Blumpf didden noes bout anyfing!

The near consensus from the (professional) Iranian commentariat on social media is that Israel is bluffing in a kind of bad-cop routine and that the American partial evacuation of military bases + "concerned" headlines are a bluff in a kind of good-cop routine. There's a lot of confidence all around that Israel won't attack Iran, that Israel has become terrified by Iran's flag-raising, by Iran's do-nothing responses to probable helicopter assassinations, and by Iran's limp retaliatory strikes last year. As a Cucktinologist, my research entails investigating possible Kremlin origins of this complacency.

>>2313725
I reckon it’s Poland, IIRC they were making noise about becoming a much bigger military in the region, they’re no doubt asspained about nooks stationed in Belarus and quite possibly this is how NATO escalates tensions without necessarily depending on further expansion (presuming this conflict has scared off even the most outrageous anti-Russian nationalists in the Caucasus and Central Asia).

For all the cucktin posting, Russia thwarting NATO’s ambitions to expand and assimilate Ukraine (and quite possibly thwarted Georgia) was never going to be met by a real and direct retaliation from NATO since the risk of WW3 is too high. However, if Poland has a few tactical nooks and an expressed willingness to use them without sanction from Washington, it provides a nuclear deterrence for NATO without being the full MAD deterrence.

I’ve heard bits and pieces around that suggest this is an idea for deterrence war mongering, a move from big strategic bombs that would end the world in about two hours, to smaller tactical ones that presumably Russia (or NATO for that matter) are supposed to not over-react to the use of via MAD.

Of course, no guarantee limited exchanges will remain limited and in this theoretical situation that needs to be plausible enough to deter, Poland would be completely destroyed while Russia wouldn’t be, but I suppose sacrificing Poland is worth it to instigate the kind of panic and infrastructural damage any amount of usage of any nuclear weapons of any size would create in Russia.

>The real test will be whether British mothers will actually accept that their sons have to die for Finland or Estonia or Poland. If they don’t, there is no Nato
-Former Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba