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>>2548586
Losurdo is the thinking ML’s Grover Furr

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>>2544690
Brazil as nobody has a reason to nuke it + its too far away for land based missiles. But even if left untouched, nuclear winter would destroy their crops and mass starvation would occur.

>>2544690
WW3 is not going to happen since what we have going on right now in Ukraine is the most any military-industrial complex on planet earth can manage right now. It's not a matter of "oh but they just don't want to mobilize", they can't. Stable bourgeois rule and austerity of the last 45 years made most economies far less adaptable and far more fragile. The only country that even has the capacity to produce electronics independently is China.
>but nooks
Not happening. Think of the economy!

China's century of Imperialism has already begun; what they're doing is very similar to Britain in the 1800s with e.g. Argentina

>>2548216
the third world already has iphones, retard

>>2548385
Brazil will be litearlly unhabitable in 30 years.

>>2552852
<acksually its anti-communist to support america and the UK in fighting the nazis in ww2, revolutionary defeatism is the only true communist position in inter-imperialist wars

fuck off, banderite cocksucker

>>2552899
>acksually its anti-communist to support america and the UK in fighting the nazis in ww2
yes, you stupid uyghur

>>2551515
>BSW OPINION
My favorite older lady until Francesca Albanese. Still a close second and sometimes she switches back to first.

>>2552852
This retard doesn't even know revolutionary defeatism applies only to your own country. Bro you're literally complaining a german politician sucks up too much to the enemies of their own bourgeoisie, because of some metaphysical disdain you have for the "ultra-Orthodox Christian theocratic Russian oligarchy" that doesn't effect you at all. And you have the gall to call others brainwashed lmao

>Why don't you actually come to Europe
Im european dumbass

>>2552653
it needs to be THE top priority
Anything else is meaningless the greens-level bullshitry

>>2551448
Thankfully the Soviets never forced the affected populations to collaborate with the German invaders, lol. Their punishment was entirely self-inflicted.

>>2551424
Furr, as far as I read him, actually agrees with some crimes, but goes to frame them as "good, ackshually".

But yeah. Not a single Soviet crime is real, once you research the sources. We don't take either Ukrainians with thier Holodomor, Poles with their Katyn, and what else seriously - then why should we take small nation nationalists seriously?

>>2551464
They didn't collaborate with Germans in any significant quantities. Claims of otherwise come from Germans, who tried to portray themselves as liberators against Bolshevism, and from idiotic reading of data. Say, Germans created some national assembly for Tatars, representatives of that assembly were majority white emigre who represented who knows what, and then the represented number of people gets presented as a number of collaborators;
And as a cherry on top, Crimean Tatars got their crazy 70% anti-Soviet organization participation trophy due to "researchers" being idiots and claiming that ALL TATAR ORGANIZATIONS were ONLY for CRIMEANS TATARS; given that Tatar national assembly was composed based on pre-Revolutionary national lines, e.g. Czarist demographers thought that Crimean Tatars and Volga Tatars are the same people, and that Azerbaijani were also Caucasian Tatars

>>2551591
>But yeah. Not a single Soviet crime is real, once you research the sources. We don't take either Ukrainians with thier Holodomor, Poles with their Katyn, and what else seriously - then why should we take small nation nationalists seriously?

Academic rigity, control and censorship. Unfortunately butthurt belter eurofags have much more political-institutional to seriously harm or ruin your life outside of redditard three arrow apologists, grover furr is not considered a historian or a professional on his area, but as a ""genocide"" denier, unlike the MI6 plant, robert conquest, which rectified and left alot of his views, commit historical innacuracies, and is considered a expert, so is applebaum to douglas tottles.
The Polish government, with a hand of yeltsinite traitors, killed the katyn issue and closed the discussion, even with new evidence coming as also proof of even german body transfers from volyn poles massacred to katyn.
In reality, anti-communist neoliberal warriors control academic institutions and online forums to push its agenda and historical revisionism under a lense of "unbias" and "academic rigor"

>>2551385
they were both victims of killing fields and random people from the old cemetery if you're not being sarcastic

>>2506966

The MOMENT the chechens were allowed to move back to chechnia they kicked up a fuss again so ye they should've stayed deported

>>2552883
you might actually be the dumbest poster i've seen on the site, and you're competing against the guy who'd rant about jimmy neutron being a jewish plot

>>2552916
>he thinks i'm ascribing a moral quality to imperialism
if you cannot understand that i am attempting to describe an objective relation of imperialism, rather than some ultra-specific, completely useless definition that ignores inter-capitalist rivalry, then whatever you have to say is worth very little beyond the nice factoids you include there

>>2552925
attempt is the operative word, you completely failed.

>>2552916
based

>>2552920
all edge, no point.

>>2484747
>>2484747
>>2484747
COAL

>>2539489
I think this does a lot to explain a lot of the Japanese socialists-turned fascists. I always saw Inejiro Asanuma as a very confusing figure but now he seems very coherent.
Basically, pre-fascist Japanese Communists were not really amongst the proletariat, they were mostly intellectuals.
By the way one of the only Japanese works on marxists.org is a guy complaining about this and begging for more integration with the masses https://www.marxists.org/nihon/yamakawa/1922/00001.htm
These intellectuals, as that pdf depicts Takabatake, did not arrive at socialism from class-consciousness, or a desire for internationalism, but rather because they saw the impending catastrophe that capitalism was bringing to Japan and saw communist development as a way to secure the Japanese national project in the face of this incoming disaster.
Hence, Asanuma joins the Labor-Farmer Party, Takabatake translates all three volumes of Capital, etc etc.
But then, Japanese imperialism really ramps up in the 1930s. All of a sudden, the Japanese bourgeois politicians go from hapless in the face of the catastrophe, to worshipping the military and pushing for imperial conquest. It seems like the crisis of Japanese capitalism can be resolved without socialism after all, by subjugating Asia.
So, all of these socialists, who care first and foremost about the Japanese national project, decide that the imperial path to resolving the crisis is far more feasible than the socialist path, and decide to convert to the most enthusiastic supporters of imperial conquest. For example, Takabatake establishes the Kenkokukai and Asanuma leads the charge in expelling Saito Takao from the National Diet after he questions the war.
Then, Japan surrenders. The Imperial path becomes completely off the table, and Japan is occupied by the United States, which waves the threat of incorporating various islands as UN trust territories. So, being genuine nationalists (I don't use that as a positive, just as a differentiator from the LDP politicians), they decide that the most feasible way to create a secure Japanese national state is to completely backpedal, Asanuma becomes a leading voice in the Pacifist movement and in cooperating with the PRC and the rest of Asia. InternationalPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2548306
>These intellectuals, as that pdf depicts Takabatake, did not arrive at socialism from class-consciousness, or a desire for internationalism, but rather because they saw the impending catastrophe that capitalism was bringing to Japan and saw communist development as a way to secure the Japanese national project in the face of this incoming disaster.

isnt this most succesful socialist revolutions? It seems nationalism and socialism ironically fit together the most

>>2548383
Yes, but if that's your only principle, it can also lead to siding with fascism if that seems a more feasible solution.

>>2535988
this

>>2552915
No they don’t. Literally every centralized authority has always and explicitly been spawned by force not compliance and understandably that same forced centralization is what made such leadership fundamentally unstable. USSR faced it, literally every empire faced it, british fascist era faced if, ᴉuᴉlossnW faced it, a lot of dictatorships have faced it in recent decades, I don’t have to keep going on this list. It’s just not stable because it fails to account for the reality that central authority is far more limited in scale and stability than decentralized but generalized oversight of the many.

>>2552919
>Literally every centralized authority has always and explicitly been spawned by force not compliance
That's the map of the world.
All the borders of any political entity around the world is drawn by guns pointed at each other and their reluctance to RISK any wounds.
The rule of one class over another is also upheld by violence and force.

>>2552918
>china
>a successful example of centralized authority
Have you read anything about how politically unstable and violent Chinese history is?
>rome
Moderately less shitty example if not for the fact that its existence was in a near constant state of internal collapse. Seriously, do people just look at Caesar and forget that most Roman emperors barely remained longer than a few months if not weeks in power before some asshole would overthrow them?
>other civilizations
The Holy Roman Empire was notorious for internal wars and civil wars. Feudal Europe as a fractured hellhole run by barons and various warlords competing over land while the church remained a central authority only known for tithes, scandals, and outright lying to people as it is now. MENA wasn’t faring much better considering how many internal collapses would unfold without a Muslim expansion to drive and force some level of internal cohesion to mask how bad things were getting for even political leaders in it.

>>2552927
What are your samples of decentralized authority?

>>2552931
Canada,
not Tanzania but much of southern and central Africa,
china (weird example I know but the CPC is the largest party just by headcount and a lot of bureacatic work is delegates to village and town leaders anyways. Xi does surprisingly little given his role)
Ghana

<countries I’m not putting on this list
I would’ve put Thailand but they’re not that decentralized yet
I want to put the Nordic states but they’re way too small and also using them as examples feels like cheating at this question

>>2552863
No.

apparently michael burry the guy from the big short who got rich betting on the subprimes crisis is betting on the AI bubble exploding

>>2551791
>>2551840
>Will they fire everyone, or will it blow up before it gets to that point?
no reason why both cant happen simultaneously, investors keep rewarding layoffs because it looks like they're optimizing for AI, but it's also masking the insane contraction the US is going through, the bubble collapsing wont create jobs from thin air, so layoffs will continue indefinitely.

>>2551882
yeah they're trying to get the government on the hook for depreciating GPUs lol, what's worse is that I think trump will literally buy sam altman's garbage anyway

>>2552929
i wonder if the trump admin has a choice, like within the bounds of what they believe or understand about economics what else can they do

>>2552383
Well he won't so the point is moot. Retard

>>2552647
https://kalikoba.substack.com/p/edward-saids-orientalism

>>2539310
You are actually retarded if you believe that.
1: He will throw you under the bus in a millisecond. He did so to Hasan who is way more lib than you are.
2: Democracy is a load of bullshit. Go see if voting will ever get pig cops doxxed and fired, go see if voting will ever actually lower the price of goods or protect your job/increase your pay. Violence is the only thing that works. Voting is a cope for those unable or unwilling to commit violence. Period. Yeah jail sucks. So I don't expect you to go commit violence, but that doesn't meaning voting does dick.

>>2551502
here is the thing about the whole "right to exist part", he specifically said that israel has a right to exist as a multicultural state with equal rights for its citizens, this functionally stop being Israel because it stops being a colonial project with apartheid. this the same way SA stopped being the colonial project it was after the white priviledged class lost its roles. Mamdani has the correct stance.

Zohran is not gonna do shit, the only way he could help is if trump either arrest him or deports him because he is le "ebil gommie khamas muzzie" and "literally 9/11 again". If this happens to him, Americans will finally realize that they will never get their treats or social programs again and vooting is useless, so they riot in the streets or radicalize.

MAMDANI, NEW FACE OR SAME OLD ORDER?
by Pasquale Liguori

>Some maps represent not only territories, but also ideologies. The results of the New York election between Zohran Mamdani and Andrew Cuomo, published by the New York Times, are one such example.
>The blue areas, where Mamdani, elected as the new mayor of the Big Apple, won, and the yellow areas, in favor of Cuomo, do not only divide the city: they divide the very meaning of what “left” means today in the West.
>The mixed-race, precarious, and rebellious youth who have made New York the laboratory of municipal socialism are concentrated in blue: the neighborhoods of Astoria, Bushwick, Harlem, and Bed-Stuy, populated by migrants, Blacks, Latinos, students, civil servants, and platform workers.
>In yellow, the privileged city—Upper Manhattan, East Queens, the Orthodox enclaves of Brooklyn—where stability, rents, American exceptionalism, and political ties to Israel are defended.
>These are two cities, two political anthropologies, two worldviews.

>Cuomo represents the institutional liberalism that has dominated the Democratic Party for decades: civil rights, technocracy, and imperial power. Mamdani is the supposed overcoming of this, the young and socialist face of a new intersectional, pluralistic, global world alliance.
>But what is sold as a break with the past remains to be verified in practice—I don't want to be euphoric about it—and it appears to be a moral update of the empire: a multicultural and, at the same time, reassuring version of its apparatus.
>The discourse on Mamdani transforms his figure into a myth of purification: the son of the postcolonial intellectual, the Muslim who conquers the symbolic city of the West, the politician who “liberates” Jewish identity from Zionism.
>In this regard, it is necessary to pause for a moment on what the Jewish vote represents. To speak of “liberation” in a city like New York inevitably means confronting the structural intertwining of its political, financial, and cultural relations with Israel. This is not a marginal relationship, but an economic and symbolic axis that runs through universities, investment banks, Post too long. Click here to view the full text.