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>It's not my fault, it's all someone else's fault
Whoa… breathtaking. A truly innovative politician. This is the height of profundity.

Why should we care what this dude says?

the kke exists, why does anyone bother with these fucking dogs

>>2573031
We know Tsipras and Varoufakis split in a big way and kind of hate each other. We've known this from all the way back then, isn't really anything new.
Who is this article for outside of Tsipras and his book sales?
Honestly he should have done the honourable thing after that era and jumped head first off a public building like all those doctors and etc.

>>2573146
Tsipras is planning a return and this his way of announcing that

>>2573109
>Why did the British colonial system in India formalize and exploit an indigenous social system that posits a fundamental moral inequality between groups of people?
That's like their whole thing.

So Brahmin men had or have harems of women of all classes ready to take their seed?

So, not only are you too retarded to know about divide and conquer, but then you also don‘t notice the contradiction of speaking about universal human dignity and rights for *colonial subjects*. Yeah, I‘m sure a lot of dignity and rights are involved when your family is starving to death in slave like labor conditions under colonial rule.

the caste system is also in plato's republic and i believe aristotle describes it going back to egypt

its just class.
nothing particularly "british".

>>2573109
if you're asking these questions you are so off in your own assumptions and false assessments that no answer given is really going to help you.
Read. Read a LOT more.

>>2572973
you're voluntarily spamming that buzzword in every thread as a form of trolling

>>2572286
View from nowhere is the best term I’ve ever heard for these armchair “communist” moralists

>>2571917
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>>2572796

zionist regime would collapse immediately if burger reich stopped supporting them. burger reich saved tel aviv from iran earlier this year. zionist regime lobbies and influences america, like banderite regime, or saudi regime, or other regime, but worse. but zionist regime does not "control" burger reich. burger reich is just imperialist and sees mutual benefit to aiding zionist regime's genocide.

>>2573025
The burger reich ruling class are religious Zionists though, whether Jew or Christian. People like Trump, Hillary or Bush genuinely believe in those insane ideas about how the enemies of Zionism are gog and magog or Amalek or the beast or whatever

>>2573119
When Russia seizes Gulyaipole hopefully we will see the Makhno commemorations destoryed and a Lenin statue standing tall above.

>>2573141
>cat
shouldn't it be кот?

>>2573138
>"Ruzzia lost" simulator is real
I can't wait for the end of war so we can have AAA FPS with Ukrainian cities fully modelized

>>2573133
least delusional zionazi

>>2573135
>What difference does the "law" make
None obviously. But the putting him on the terrorist list seems like they're do the legal song and dance before they kill him. Either that or he is just bluffing to scare him. But Trump might actually do it.

>>2573133
how do people look at this and assume fuentes' career is purely a glowie operation. even netanyahu said he hates him after the dinner date with kanye and trump

>>2573142
I think if the scare tactics don't work, they might just go ahead and kill him, and whoever they consider like core-Maduro loyalists. Then maybe they will demand that Venezuela hold new "free and fair" elections. I don't think they will invade.

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>>2573115
Where is sandinista anon?

>>2573055
>Do British leftists even remember the Preston model?
Well yes we just stopped talking about it because it wasn't that good actually move to Preston if you don't believe me.

>>2573066
You have to play the political game initially in the modern context, electoral politics needs to be played because of the terrible image the left has where even I wouldn't trust left wing politicians in power to make pragmatic choices over whatever the fuck first year uni students on Tiktok think is "Good fucking person".
Electoral politics should only be seen as a training operation in how to develop good PR, develop good networks, how to speak and act politically, have experience on policy development, how to deal with the general public etc. I do not think it is a path to Socialism. Where major parties have "Youth wings" as training grounds I think Electoral politics should be the training ground for Left wingers.
> but your program amounts to a synthesis of clement attlee* and rump blairite social views with homeopathic amounts of dated socialist verbiage.
Again, my "program" in terms of electoral politics only exists to train leftists, in how real politics in the real world actually functions beyond just abstracted theory, tik tok and Hearts of Iron, rather than actually being a framework for a Socialist society. I've watched for years on campaigns i've been on, even the shittiest reactionary politicians happily dance around Leftist activists and potential left wing candidates in confrontations. The left genuinely has a serious competency crisis (as we are seeing with Your Party). Like him or not, Mamdani is absolutely a masterclass in how a politician should act in terms of PR. While Mamdani might not work on a national level, he is an extremely wiley politican with maxed out charisma stats. Mamdani should be the minimum level of an acceptable public facing left winger.
>>2573074
"New Atheism" not as in the original new atheist movement, but the left needs to go back to being extremely critical of religion. The Islam bootlicking, the constant "ITS ZIONISM NOT JUDAISM", bullshit that always has the left on the defensive against religious nutbags who only ever join the left because they see the left as useful idiots they can use as a ladder to climb to positions to push their actual agenda.
The only form of "religion" Socialists should be pushing is civic religion. That you should be a good Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2573112
your conception of the problem is all wrong.
if you want Mamdani, we have him at home, his name's Polanski. if you want to train serious left wing cadres, you're thinking far too high level. as socdem flag used to always bang on about, you're going to have to start with practical orgs like trade unions, tenants unions, blah blah blah, until you've built enough of a springboard for an electoral or non-electoral party to build off. that inherently selects against useless chancers because you're demanding they do real work, and because it's easy to tell when they're succeeding or failing (whereas dismal fail-parties can continue to pat themselves on the back for spurious reasons (see: all our joke communist parties, alba party, ukip, etc).
electoral politics has only one real advantage: it imposes an empirical external success/failure standard. this isn't nothing, but it also encourages a lot of vices: for example, the chunk of your party's problems that came from trying to top-load the party with MPs out of political expediency.

there is a competency crisis, but it has nothing to do with first year uni students on tiktok. mamdani is, believe it or not, a "good fucking person" by tiktok standards. no, if anything the left's competency crisis is the result of treating the whole thing like a hobby - which is ultimately what we're doing now by arguing about it. it's the result of not thinking seriously about what practical problems they want to resolve. it is not a policy failure - even social democrats can fall into the trap of going "now that i've found exactly the right post keynesian solution to demand management, i'm better than everyone else." without bothering to go further and then ask: how do you make that government policy? (tragically, the answer is of course to start at the bottom.)

p.s. you underestimate how unfair the press are and how insular the chattering classes are. Gordon Brown, an actual former prime minister, has been pushing for a federal senate for years, to the extent it's a running joke in government circles. How much of a hearing does he get? Well, occasionally they let him put a column about it in the Guardian, or Scottish Labour pretend it's a plan when they realize "let England tell us what to do" isn't a good platform for an upcoming Holyrood election (difficult this time, bePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2573120
>if you want Mamdani, we have him at home, his name's Polanski.
Mamdani worked because New York, already a progressive shitlib city. Polanski has a harder job because Brits are naturally socially more a mixed bag that leans towards somewhat conservative in many areas. Another issue I have is I don't trust why the media is giving such positive coverage to Polanski and the Green Party. Genuinely believe that the media only ever truly boosts left wing positions as a trap that it plans to spring down the line. The Left could argue for a new children's hospital and the entire media would say "yeah but what about overpopulation?" so inherently distrustful of when media starts giving certain left aligned figures the softest of soft ball interviews and largely boosted coverage.
> if you want to train serious left wing cadres, you're thinking far too high level. as socdem flag used to always bang on about, you're going to have to start with practical orgs like trade unions, tenants unions, blah blah blah, until you've built enough of a springboard for an electoral or non-electoral party to build off. that inherently selects against useless chancers because you're demanding they do real work, and because it's easy to tell when they're succeeding or failing (whereas dismal fail-parties can continue to pat themselves on the back for spurious reasons (see: all our joke communist parties, alba party, ukip, etc).
For me, this is already built into the fact that I think the left should look at how the CPC has a siv towards useless cadre, by forcing potential people who want to move up in the CPC by making them do organizational and social work in 3 different provinces minimum. But yes, I overlooked it in my expalanation.
>it imposes an empirical external success/failure standard. this isn't nothing, but it also encourages a lot of vices: for example, the chunk of your party's problems that came from trying to top-load the party with MPs out of political expediency.
True, again something I agree with but didn't really truly explain.
>like a hobby - which is ultimately what we're doing now by arguing about it
I mean truly, this is correct, but we are on leftypol, I do not really see this as a site of serious organiPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2573100
by a separate bracket, i mean a diminished personal income.
>underreport your income
application for the worker's benefit can put you in a special database where your income is monitored.

>>2571930
>he certainly cites sources and contributes more than you
lol you dont know who i am. i stopped in round two after going in circles with this guy for over six months with heavy citations. he openly contradicts himself constantly and posts things that are objectively false and when corrected ignores it. his position has been completely exhausted and he just comes back to repeat it despite being proven wrong repeatedly

opinions on shimomuran economics.
Mainstream economics suggests that investment should equal savings. Shimomuran economics suggests investment should be greater than savings.
Shimomuran econmics suggest doing this by using the central bank to create money out of "nothing". For example, the central bank buys assets in local banks and then puts a debt (I owe you) towards these local banks, in its balance sheets. The central bank then sends this literal "free" bank credit to the local banks. The local banks then send it to key industries for the central bank guides the local bank to do that. (more credit to those local banks that follow the central banks guidance).
Japan, sk, taiwan, and maybe china did this. It lead to an economic boom

>>2571906
>>You say here the ratios of abstract labor going into commodities is equal to their exchange ratios and equal to the labor-time input ratios
>theyre the same thing: Ax = By
Marx explicitly says it is the labor time in what you quote right after asserting this:
<We know the measure of its magnitude. It is labour time. The form, which stamps value as exchange-value, remains to be analysed.
>marx appears to say that value is an autonomous entity which is present even where it is unrecognised
Yeah he appears to say that because he is saying that.
>marx affirms that the "concept" of value did not exist in antiquity, so as to be socially realised:
The quote that follows is from his earlier scribblings not meant for publication and not from Capital. Why would you put much weight into that. Then you quote Capital:
<Aristotle therefore, himself, tells us what barred the way to his further analysis; it was the absence of any concept of value.
>https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch01.htm
Again, context. What is Marx saying just a few sentences after this:
<The secret of the expression of value, namely, that all kinds of labour are equal and equivalent, because, and so far as they are human labour in general, cannot be deciphered, until the notion of human equality has already acquired the fixity of a popular prejudice.
About Aristotle:
<What is that equal something, that common substance, which admits of the value of the beds being expressed by a house? Such a thing, in truth, cannot exist, says Aristotle (…) The peculiar conditions of the society in which he lived, alone prevented him from discovering what, “in truth,” was at the bottom of this equality.
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SmithAnon, you were responded to in the immigration thread.

>>2572946
i responded 👍
>>2572384
>he openly contradicts himself constantly and posts things that are objectively false and when corrected ignores it.
any examples? 🥱
>>2572884
>I do not believe that Marx thought that value ratios are equal to exchange-value ratios.
whats the difference? 🤔
exchange-value is "value in exchange" (Ax=By)
>>2572406
unfortunately, there are no primary sources i can find from shimomuran himself, but from secondary sources, he's described as a keynesian, so your description makes sense. the mainstream view is that savings represent future spending and so the increase of savings is an increase in future value. this is true, but only so far as it concerns its marginal and total content. the individual saver benefits by saving, yet if everyone saved, the individual would suffer, since the economy would shrink and thus there would be less to save for. in keynesian terms, this often refers to the "paradox of thrift":
<Every such attempt to save more by reducing consumption will so affect incomes that the attempt necessarily defeats itself. 
https://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/economics/keynes/general-theory/ch07.htm
we may then see keynes' view on the relationship between saving and investment:
>[i] Income = value of output = consumption + investment. [ii] Saving = income - consumption. [iii] Therefore saving = investment. [quantitatively]
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