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🗽UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅
<Ronald McDonald Trump Edition

🏈 💵Thread for hellish discussion of the Dying Burger Reich and the pedophile Hitlerite-Zionist clique of the American bourgeoisie and its iron grip upon the greatest bigliest country McGod™ ever gave McMan™ on the face of the McEarth™🌭 🍔

>Things are going to continue to happen in the stupidest ways possible that no one really takes seriously, where every single person compulsively reacts with either cynical grifting or useless panic and appealing to a political system of liberal democracy that is entirely dead and irrelevant. things will continue to get gradually worse, more people will lose their jobs and homes, the most destitute and marginalized will be oppressed by state-backed domestic terrorism, but the decay will simply continue and everyone who isn't actively being imprisoned and forced into slavery or outright exterminated will simply ignore it and maintain a cognitive dissonance of believing a civil war is happening while living their lives in a mostly normal fashion. The death of the United States will be slow, painful, and insufferably annoying and stupid.

<Death to the scourge of the earth, the destroyer of nations, the father of fascism, the enabler of ethnostates, the treatlerite tyrant, the protector of pedophiles, the exporter of ecocide, the captain of capitalism, the king of coups, the sultan of sanctions, the emir of the embargo, the autocrat of austerity, the doge of deregulation, the baron of busting unions, the prince of privatization, the lord of loan sharks, the patron-saint of proxy wars, the sponsor of settlers, the guarantor of genocides, the invader of islands, the Divided $nakkkes of Amerikkka™

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🇺🇸 Deeds of the Burger Reich 🇺🇸
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>>2564734
100k monthly listeners.

>>2564748
The country must be deloused.

fizzle status?

>>2564743
I've met a decent amount of genuine Marxist women that leftypol would call "TERFs" even though they're active in Marxist circles, have fought for gender equality since before trans was even a political issue, and still care about trans peoples' human rights. It's just something some people will never agree on, and I don't really like discounting the lived experiences of cisgender women just because it invalidates some aspects of queer theory.

>>2564744
Exactly, I don't see why we can't have trans people and treat them as human while also acknowledging that trans people are doing all their "gender affirming" stuff out of choice instead of some innate biological instinct to wear pink.

Are we going to invade venezuela?



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How did "dudebro" culture end up being sort of retconned as right wing? I was in a purple state college during Bush's second term and everyone loathed conservatives. We didn't even have the obligatory Ron Paul guy in 07-08.

It's so funny how ubiquitous the "you shouldn't have touched our bideo games!!" talking point has become. The culture around them, the coverage, G4, the magazines, all chock full of jokes at the expense of the right. Maybe this issue isn't deeply political, but it is deeply infuriating to see history rewritten.
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>>2563831
This takes too many people at their word (and assumes the makeup of dudebros remains constant over time, but that's another story.).
Feminists aren't the ones who added microtransactions, lootboxes, pay-to-win shit, games as a service, horse armor DLC, etc, etc, etc. All the stuff that actually ruins games. Yet feminists (and, if you want to make that case, Thompson) were taken as a serious outsider threat while the real outsider threat - capital - was ignored or naturalized. Anti-EA sentiment dropped off much faster than anti-SJW sentiment.

In a sense it begs the question because this very mode of thinking is disproportionately found in right-wing people. The threat is a personalized set of individuals or a group of such individuals (Damn you Anita! Burn in hell, Zoe!) rather than structural forces (As the left prefers: Donald Trump isn't an anomalous bastard, he's just he latest phase of US imperialism…) and all the bad things that happen because of structural forces are either perfectly natural (it's the capitalist firm's game, they can do with it as they please) or the result of a conspiracy.

>>2564410
>Feminists aren't the ones who added microtransactions, lootboxes, pay-to-win shit, games as a service, horse armor DLC, etc, etc, etc. All the stuff that actually ruins games. Yet feminists (and, if you want to make that case, Thompson) were taken as a serious outsider threat while the real outsider threat - capital - was ignored or naturalized.

That wasn’t ignored people whinged about this for a decade, the gamers just lost that battle because they couldn’t stop a kid with a credit card from buying lootboxes in Fortnite no matter how many posts they made about how evil it is or how many regulators they tried to get involved

Gamers didn’t stop caring about lootboxes and horse armour, they just got demolished, anti loot box sentiments never went away

>Anti-EA sentiment dropped off

Because for a while people just stopped buying EA games
Bf5 flopped bf2042 flopped anthem flopped, skinner boxes in battlefront 2 caused the biggest shitstorm ever and caused it to flop

Skinner boxes and horse armour were considered threats just like the feminists were

>>2564410
Y'know I've heard this point echoed a bunch of times before, sometimes accompanied by that "I can't believe we lost gamers to the right!" tweet but here's the thing: There's a less than zero requirement to "like" lootboxes or "games as a service" on "the right". You've got shit like Asmongold mocking the sheer greed of Activision-Blizzard's Bobby Kotick into a meme. Like at no point was there some understanding "Humm, yes, because of the class composition and the material forces at play I shall support lootboxes to own the feminists" or whatever. It was a battle that, as >>2564736 said, people lost.

I remember when it was controversial to release a game unfinished then patch it later, now we've got early access. Horse Armor DLC was mocked but now every AAA game with multiplayer makes a killing selling skins. Like, no offense, it seems like you're implying "you're only allowed to dislike one thing."

Like let me use another example: the music industry. You had shit like Tipper Gore going after bands who hit the mainstream but had "inappropriate" lyrics. Now the record industry as a whole is shit, it often completely fleeces artists, its extremely litigious and obsessed with copyright. Are people suddenly not supposed to be upset that a couple of dumbass politicians were trying to act as moral arbiters over the whole genre? What do you personally think gets talked about more and gets more people outraged: corporations being money-grubbing assholes, which is a constant, or the local moral police howling "Won't somebody please THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!"

Ditto for comicbooks: everyone talks about the bad old days of the Comic Code Authority, you've got Garth Ennis whose made it his whole fucking career to express the resentment he feels for the CCA turning Superheroes into the primary genre of western comics. How many people talk about comic book publishers choosing to move away from the old model of selling comic books in super markets and towards specialty retailers? Even people who aren't into comics broadly know about the CCA, they don't often know how, for example, Bill Finger was fucked over by Bob Kane who took sole credit for Batman for years.

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>>2555895
>why did college students drop the communist facade once they became working professionals
Truly a mystery.

>>2564761
dudebros were never communist, they were basically always right wing or lolbert



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This thread is for the discussion of cybercommunism, the planning of the socialist economy by computerized means, including discussions of related topics and creators. Drama belongs in /isg/

Reading
Towards a New Socialism by Paul Cockshott and Allin Cottrell: http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/socialism_book/
Brain of the Firm by Stafford Beer
Cybernetic Revolutionaries by Eden Medina
Cybernetics: Or the Control and Communication in the Animal and the Machine and The Human Use of Human Beings (1st edition) by Norbert Wiener
Economic cybernetics by Nikolay Veduta
People's Republic of Walmart by Leigh Phillips and Michal Rozworski
Red Plenty by Francis Spufford
Economics in kind, Total socialisation and A system of socialisation by Otto Neurath (Incommensurability, Ecology, and Planning: Neurath in the Socialist Calculation Debate by Thomas Uebel provides a summary)

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>>2564559
>takes acting like a kulak as a lesson why anarchy in production is good actually

>>2564559
except anon in real life mining diamonds or anything else isnt a one person job. Its a collaborative effort which takes high tech equipment produced by someone else and teams of guys going underground. Minecraft is like that because one person can punch a tree and end up building railroads and an 8 bit redstone computer by themselves.

>>2564260
neat, will you post it here? either the original or your commentary or both?

>>2564559
most advanced anarchist theory

>>2564559
>>2564705
people playing minecraft are crypto underage, not doing good for the anarkiddie stereotype



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TOMORROW NOTHING HAPPENS
CHILE ELECTION 2025
<The spectre of nothing is haunting America
The candidate of the communist party who is watering down to appeal to milder socialdemocrats and others is leading the polls. Next to her are 3 rightwingers, all bastard sons of Bolso and Drumpf
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>>2562485
>>2562576
They lots btw. The people voted no.

>>2564047
Nah, we'll have a Croat Thunderdome between him and Vodanovic

Also hopefully Matías Toledo runs eventually, the only non-univeristy-elite leftist out here

>>2564313
will chile survive 4 years of kast

>>2564319
Yes, it's not Argentina, lots of independent institutions here and he did not get senate majority either

Just lots of cop populism for 4 years, but he's not even Bolsonaro, let alone Bukkake

>>2563599
>>2563910
Progressives everywhere are under a delusion that their whole respective country really just already agrees with them they just keep getting sabotaged from above, or everyone is primed to agree with them they need to hear the message and be given the right candidates.



 

Imageboards have of course been filled with nazis for a fuck ton of time from even the start, but most people agree it mainly started when moot added /news/ then all the chudcels flooded the rest of the site, then created /pol/ and the rest is history.

With that being said, how do we realistically combat the mass grooming of people into nazism through imageboards? The sharty is becoming the new 8chan but with way more cultural influence on the wider internet and the rest of the population is filled with young children, we have already seen solomon (a mass shooter that was a black man yet he was also a white supremacist with sharty connections) commit a mass shooting. With that being said clearly a lot of these young men are isolated and angry, doxxing random literal WHOS because they are trans, or even doing raids that help the federal government because the site is influenced by glowies. They even raided our very booru 2 days ago, and ILLEGAL CONTENT was posted (this was done by foodist nazis not soyteens but still scary that it’s that prevalent with their raids).

And with the thought on raids we can see some of these young people are being groomed into actual pedophile nazi communities but the sharty staff and wiki are so up their asses that they can’t see they have ideological similarities with the nazi foodists and that’s why they surround them.

They have crushed /leftysoy/ and banned many leftists on their wiki including me, I think this is gonna evolve into something much worst if we don’t do anything.
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What if we tried being racist? Not in the "TND, deport all the Latinxbraps, goat fuckers and darkies, Hail 1488th Reich, Save Le VVest" but "Diversity and inclusion clearly do not work and multiculturalism is a failure, let's assimilate every immigrant, only Western liberal culture should exist". The chuds hate the customs of many migrants and how parts of diasporas try to replicate whatever hellholes they escape + Latinxes, Indians and SEAs are largely rightoid and chuddy, so we shouldn't side with them.

>>2559872
get outta here

>>2559872
>What if we upheld national chauvinism to achieve le welfare!
Uphold Otto Strasser thought

The left is too gay for most men.

What are guys a bunch of sniveling cowards to afraid do anything to change peoples mind? If wish to combat the right you must go outside. Find or start your organization. Talk with the workers find out their grievances. Use in your propaganda. Recruit former soldiers those who were chewed by the system. Form militias. Only then when you are sufficiently organized can you stand against the bourgeoisie state.



 

"turns out conservatives and reactionaries are just dumb after all" edition.

news:
- Your Party is suing itself, more at 11.
- The SNP and Plaid are going to form a "progressive alliance" somehow
- The government's going to do a switcheroo by raising income tax slightly and cutting national insurance to balance it out. (But they won't - follow this to its logical conclusion and scrap NI entirely)
- They're also considering cutting VAT on energy bills (which is the least efficient way of lowering bills you can imagine)
- The board of deputies asked Aston Villa for free footy tickets. In a worrying sign of rising antisemitism, Aston said nah.
- Labour is falling behind the Greens in the opinion polls as their strategy of copying Reform drives away their already-begrudging supporters without winning over any Reform voting reprobates. Nobody could have predicted this.
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She is the only half likeable person saying the right things in this country.
I will follow Comrade Zarah anywhere.

>>2563936
yes, but i would submit that it's in my favor.
"they are using the language of british conservatism because they are british conservatives" is simpler than "they are using the language of british conservatism because they are islamic theocrats engaged in Taqiyya"

>>2563936
why, why must the simple answer be the answer, life is complicated, occams razor is gay

>>2563936
>ever hear about occam's razor?
but if you ask pervy old men addicted to twitter the simplest reason why people transition their gender is to spii on naked ladies in the bathroom.

dystopian shithole island



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Is it one of those things where everybody has a different definition of what it is? I'll be honest it sounds like meme shit. Everybody gets free stuff? That's ridiculous who's going to pay for it? Explain yourselves
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>>2563408
there's a lot of 'definitions' of what 'communism' is as a mode of governance or a state of affairs, but one that I personally find useful is that Communists understand politics as essentially class warfare, as a fundamentally adversarial relationship between 'Capitalists' - those who 'own' the 'means of production', things like factories, housing, equipment, land, resources, but do not need to perform labor to survive - and the 'Proletariat' or 'Workers' - those that do not own property, but must sell their labor to the capitalist class to survive.

the power dynamics at play mean that the Capitalist class will always pay the Proletariat less than the actual value of their labor, keeping the majority of the value that the laborers created for the Capitalist class as Profit. If they did not do this, they would by definition not have any profit whatsoever. but since they do, the capitalist class has more resources with which to control and direct society.

so Communists, using this analytical framework, seek to engage equally in this class warfare on behalf of the Proletariat rather than the Capitalists. Communists seek a 'class dictatorship of the proletariat', or a state of government that serves the needs and interests of the Proletariat rather than those of the Capitalist class. This often looks something like a representative democracy in function, the difference is in the domination of the capitalist class by the proletariat class, rather than vice versa under capitalism. where a capitalist democracy is ruled by those with the most money (and therefore power/influence over media/social life/the material conditions that reproduce society), a proletarian democracy is ruled by a Communist Party which is constituted such as to reduce the influence of the Capitalist class, with strict ideological requirements and vetting of prospective members, and maintaining democratic rather than private control over the means of production.

>>2564309
historically illiterate, ignoring the massive, massive amounts of capitalist repression of emerging socialist governments. your argument is basically 'Well the nazis are so good at fighting i guess its a bad idea to fight them', pure cowardice, self-serving nihilism, imperialist apologia at worst.

>>2564330
I will be honest, I would not fight the nazis if I had no chance of winning. Would I sacrifice myself if life under nazism was dogshit? Maybe. But you cannot ignore that most communist faults are self-inflicted. Infighting and forcing everything to be under one umbrella creates so many unsolvable problems. Imagine trying to regulate every facet of your body, the breathing, the sweating, the digestion, your brain would be exhausted if not dead from overwork. And yet AES countries did exactly that. Notice how the socialist countries that had higher standards of living allowed for more independence.

Ukrtankanon, champsoc, you wanna get in on this? The dog pile looks like the Pentagon's new target and I can't be arsed to config DeepSeek to generate counter Claude content.

>>2563786
Flat out lies, given that the Soviet Union industrialized, that China went from a war torn shithole, to a nuclear power shit hole, then to a technological juggernaut approximating Western demsocs without electoralism.

Honestly, at this point, thank you for convincing me that Trotskyites should succeed somewhere in the West, just to break the Western propaganda line and give strength to socialist movements, as much as the Russian and Chinese revolutions broke the capitalist cordon in semi periphery and periphery countries.



 

Would the south have gone communist by the turn of the century? Pressuming the internal class conflict between landowning, slave owning, plantation bourgeoise and white urban workers in manufacturing jobs experiencing malaise as result of the weevil and collapse of plantation economy which released a major low cost labour force.
coupling a lost of industrial activity with a major cheapening of labour.
Economic crisis, racial resentment, class resentment
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>>2546988
>The south was 66% white freemen
The South wasn't majority white until the great migration when southern, rural, blacks moved to northern cities. Which would have never had happened if the Confederates won.
>In america the south would have industrialized because
No it wouldn't, in real life southern industrialization didn't really begin until WW1. If the south remained independent it wouldn't have access to Northern capitol and would industrialize much slower, probably not really industrializing until the 1990s. An independent south would be a third world country.

It would've collapsed into a communist slave revolt which itself would quickly get curb-stomped by the US so in a way yes


>>2546842
lol @ including Missouri in the Confederacy, when they not only weren't, but were where the biggest Communist uprising in the US happened.

Meds



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