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🗽UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

<Bombs Over Caracas Edition


🏈 💵Thread for hellish discussion of the Dying Burger Reich and the pedophile Hitlerite-Zionist clique of the American bourgeoisie and its iron grip upon the greatest bigliest country McGod™ ever gave McMan™ on the face of the McEarth™🌭 🍔

>Things are going to continue to happen in the stupidest ways possible that no one really takes seriously, where every single person compulsively reacts with either cynical grifting or useless panic and appealing to a political system of liberal democracy that is entirely dead and irrelevant. things will continue to get gradually worse, more people will lose their jobs and homes, the most destitute and marginalized will be oppressed by state-backed domestic terrorism, but the decay will simply continue and everyone who isn't actively being imprisoned and forced into slavery or outright exterminated will simply ignore it and maintain a cognitive dissonance of believing a civil war is happening while living their lives in a mostly normal fashion. The death of the United States will be slow, painful, and insufferably annoying and stupid.

<Death to the scourge of the earth, the destroyer of nations, the father of fascism, the enabler of ethnostates, the treatlerite tyrant, the protector of pedophiles, the exporter of ecocide, the captain of capitalism, the king of coups, the sultan of sanctions, the emir of the embargo, the autocrat of austerity, the doge of deregulation, the baron of busting unions, the prince of privatization, the lord of loan sharks, the patron-saint of proxy wars, the sponsor of settlers, the guarantor of genocides, the invader of islands, the Divided $nakkkes of Amerikkka™

🛠️ Strike Tracker ⚒️
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🇺🇸 Deeds of the Burger Reich 🇺🇸
https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/us_atrocities.md
https://williamblum.org/essays/read/overthrowing-other-peoples-governments-the-master-list
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>>2578690
Ok, give me yours.

>>2578671
>Lists various equivalences that highlight how the MIC takes ludicrous amounts of resources
>We have to do this because gommunism is a threat
>But we should be really smart about it guys we're gonna pay them billions of dollars and just be SUPER SMART ABOUT THIS and wag our finger at the idea of them leveraging this newfound wealth to keep the cashflow going

Yeah man he was really poignant and smart, WAY WAY WAY WAY smarter than all those stupid communist theorists!

>>2578688
>Find me a Lenin quote that is more relevant.

Lenin talked about the kind of people who work for Raytheon and Northrop Grumman here:


<Obviously, out of such enormous superprofits (since they are obtained over and above the profits which capitalists squeeze out of the workers of their “own” country) it is possible to bribe the labour leaders and the upper stratum of the labour aristocracy. And that is just what the capitalists of the “advanced” countries are doing: they are bribing them in a thousand different ways, direct and indirect, overt and covert.


<This stratum of workers-turned-bourgeois, or the labour aristocracy, who are quite philistine in their mode of life, in the size of their earnings and in their entire outlook, is the principal prop of the Second International, and in our days, the principal social (not military) prop of the bourgeoisie. For they are the real agents of the bourgeoisie in the working-class movement, the labour lieutenants of the capitalist class, real vehicles of reformism and chauvinism. In the civil war between the proletariat and the bourgeoisie they inevitably, and in no small numbers, take the side of the bourgeoisie, the “Versaillese” against the “Communards.”



<Private property based on the labour of the small proprietor, free competition, democracy, all the catchwords with which the capitalists and their press deceive the workers and the peasants are things of the distant past. Capitalism has grown into a world system of colonial oppression and of the financial strangulation of the overwhelming majority of the population of the world by a handful of “advanced” countries. And this “booty” is shared between two or three powerful world plunderers armed to the teeth (America, Great Britain, Japan), who are drawing the whole world into their war over the division of their booty.


- Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism, PREFACE TO THE FRENCH AND GERMAN EDITIONS

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/imp-hsc/pref02.htm

>>2578691
my thesis was already given, but I'll repeat it: Eisenhower was warning against a problem that already existed and which he helped make worse.

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>>2578695
I already addressed that. His actions don't acontradict the validity of his words. They were very poignant and insightful. I don't subscribe to great nan theory. Yes, if these were his views, he failed to implement them. The green part came from his farewell address.



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>"I shouldn't be shamed for not living up to capitalist society's expectations of me, I should be allowed to be my authentic self without being criticized and I shouldn't have to change myself based on some arbitrary capitalist standard"

This seems to be the sentiment that dominates the minds of zoomers and most millennials that drives them towards the left whether we want to admit it or not. This is what makes a lot of younger people under 40 embrace anti-capitalist politics, question social norms that are the superstructure of modern capitalism, become anti-eugenics, embrace new identity groups, and so on. Look no further than Tumblr from the mid 2010s or TikTok today. My question is, why haven't any communist or socialist parties been able to gather these types of people up? The DSA's entire strategy is simply economistic "healthcare and unions" babble that they weaponize to push the Democrats further to the left. Yet we shouldn't forget that the millennial left (namely, the people who participated in the anti-war movement in the 2000s and Occupy in 2011-12) all folded into DSA by the end of the 2010s. So why can't the DSA bring in those frustrated zoomers from TikTok, the ones who make videos on queerness and unmasking autism and mental health and why nearly all romantic relationships are inherently predatory or whatever? Maybe if the people on that platform were in a political party they'd have actual pragmatic political goals.
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>>2578247
Come 2028, they will all vote Democrat. All of them. The idpol nonsense that you see on social media doesn’t lead to anything revolutionary even in the intellectual realm. All the trans and autistic people will be voting Democrat and supporting the Democrats regardless of what kind of rhetoric they use on social media.

>>2578506
>All the trans and autistic people will be voting Democrat and supporting the Democrats
Get off twitter and actually interact with untwitterized trans people. They're less likely to believe in voting than the average poster here.

>>2578601
>They're less likely to believe in voting than the average poster here.
if only. like sure most trans people are proletarian bc of shit like getting kicked out of their parents house but not all of them are

>>2578247
>>2578320
yeah well welfare has nothing to do with communism

>>2578601
everyone is still gonna vote Democrat because 3 years is not enough time to establish a workers party that can get to that stage.
Maybe some local elections some small socialist parties can get but that's where you start.



 

/US-Venezuela war/ #3
>Third Heaven Edition

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I always knew Gaza was the testing ground for a new era of imperialist and colonialist terrorism but I didn't expect for the next victim to be attacked so soon and and so close to me…
At least Venezuela seems to have far more military capabilities and economic support than the poor people of Gaza but still, if AmeriKKKan intervention does happen (and all signs point to yes) it will be a horrible, horrible thing that will destroy the lives of millions of Venezuelans.

>>2578666
no you don't understand, they're drug dealers because we said so

>>2578666
>Gaza was the testing ground for a new era of imperialist and colonialist terrorism
what the fuck does this even mean bruh

you fuckers want to sound like intellectuals so badly lmfao

>>2578651
>nonsensical reply worthy of a 12 year old toddler
youre the retard daydreaming about the china in your head wanting to stop the shit happening in gaza and now venezuela LOL

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>>2578679
>mass tor baiter



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Why the fuck does FINANCE make so much money despite not producing anything and therefore being even more parasitic and useless than even normal capitalist companies that make goods and services, its like capitalism in its purest form of just being a machine that turns money into more money with zero social utility.
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>>2578498
Because their expenses are almost zero, so it's all profit.

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>being even more parasitic and useless than even normal capitalist companies
cool moralism loser

Fixed capital requires investment because it consists of long-term assets, like buildings, machinery, and equipment, that are essential for production. These assets are not immediately consumed but are used over several years, and their acquisition often involves significant upfront costs. To acquire and maintain these assets, businesses need to invest capital to ensure they have the necessary resources for ongoing operations and growth. But businesses do not always have that capital available up front. For this they turn to investors. When businesses lack the capital to invest in fixed assets upfront, they turn to investors or external financing sources, such as loans or equity funding. Investors provide the necessary capital in exchange for a return on investment, either through interest payments or ownership stakes. This allows businesses to acquire the fixed capital needed for growth and operations, without depleting their cash reserves. However, because the investors are interested in making interest on their loan, rather than profit from the production and sales of commodities created by the fixed capital they are investing in, the interests of the investors diverges a little bit from that of the commodity-producing capitalist. Investors who provide loans to businesses are primarily focused on earning a return through interest payments, not on the profits generated from the actual production or sale of commodities. This creates a potential conflict of interest. While commodity-producing capitalists (business owners) aim to maximize profit through efficient production and market sales, lenders or investors prioritize ensuring their loans are repaid with interest, often pushing businesses to focus on short-term cash flow and debt servicing. This can sometimes lead to tension, as the business might prioritize paying off interest over reinvesting in production or long-term growth, potentially affecting overall profitability and innovation. The servicing of this interest leads to the creation of an entire industry around finance itself, rather than commodity production. The need to service interest payments on loans leads to the growth of the financial industry, which becomes a key part of the economy, often outpacing the importance of actual commodity production. Financial institutions, like banks, investment firms, and hedge funds, specialize in managing and facilitating the flow of capital between lenders and borrowers. They create financial products (Post too long. Click here to view the full text.



 

Started going over national governments the other night just to se how many could accurately be described as "Fascist" at this point and this is what I came to.
It really is insane how much of the world is run xenophobic thugs enforcing """property rights""" at the barrel of a gun and even more so how basically every "liberal" state on earth outside of Latin America or Southern is trending that way.
It makes me think Lennin was more right then he knew about the final stage of Capitalism being Fascism; only I dont think its going to be limmited to the imperial corps.
Honestly at this point I think almost every nation on earth is going to go fascist eventually and it will only be in the wreckage of the resource wars and climate catastrophe of the 21st century that the world, a century from now, will begin to look for alternatives once the death drive has completely burned itself out..
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>>2578326
>Fascism is just a capitalist planned economy.
if that were really the case, then Lenin's position is that fascism is a prerequisite for socialism. But luckily that isn't the case and this is just your conjecture.

>>2578604
>Making shit up
lol Belarus had a better bed to patient ratio than most of Europe, one of the best infant mortality rates in the world, and yes they do still do 5 year plans.

>>2578426
>these petit-bourg types who form the base of fascist movements only latch onto an image of nationalism because they've seen it in media and feel justified to be bad now, like it's very obvious that none of them actually believe in any of this shit and that it's all a big cope about how the old world is dying.
I think this is why I find it more tiring than scary. It’s all so fake and coming from people whose principles change at a moment’s notice depending on what will make them the most comfortable personally/satisfy their innate bloodthirst as Americans. It’s all LARPing at the end of the day, but it will, and is, getting people killed. Occasionally, I still find it in me to get angry with them, but these days I’m mostly bored by fascist posturing because they’re incapable of doing or saying anything new. That doesn’t change the fact that they’ll need to be dealt with, but it lends a new flavor to how pathetic they are. It can’t be stated often enough that these people are fucking losers.
>the extinction burst fascist tantrum could succeed in dragging the rest of the world down with it.
I sincerely hope not. I believe we’ll make it through this moment and see the other side of it.

>>2578682
>That doesn’t change the fact that they’ll need to be dealt with,
O

>>2578670
They were replying to someone who asked why Haiti is in blue



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>>2578241
This and more important for the USA to lose the critical military base there

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>>2578038
taiwan's indigenous population are largely against taiwanese independence, mainly since the latter is mainly promoted by hokkien 本省人 who have feuded with taiwanese indigenous people over land, and since the DPP's minimizing of japanese colonialism in an attempt to construct an independent taiwanese identity really annoys them, since taiwanese indigenous people bore the brunt of colonial repression

>>2578270
> the anon is tryng to constrast marx and deng.
I am the anon. I wasn't trying to contrast Marx and Deng, I was trying to compare them. My God. I highlighted Marx saying "state capital" the thought-terminating cliche always leveled at "Dengism" (Marxism) in China.

>>2578511
Westerners really thought they could support a population of a billion while just being "the ideas guys" while the Asians did all the labor lmao. Ideas can be learned. The world isn't in need of endless "innovation." Proccesses can be perfected, and then the value of innovation drops to zero. Now they think they can stay on top with data centers running on diesel generators lmao.

>>2578650
tbh i didn't see what you were replyng to. i was just copy pasting the same reply i posted to someone who also used that image in a thread about deng and revisionism, sorry! >>2573064 but maybe that was you as well and i didn't understand what it meant



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Couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.

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meanwhile modern british leftism:
>blame it on a trans person!
>train with your keyboard and mouse to become an internet warrior!

I wish I was a theorylet and a historylet and an American. Being a British person who understands any of this shit is a fate worse than death.
My life was ruined the moment my political engagement went beyond liking communism for cool songs and not being the status quo. That ruination was further solidified by getting sucked into caring, briefly, about the history and traditions of the Labour party, then turning that disillusionment into further interest in the real deal… Until it turned out it's all nonsense pushed by chronic wankers and naive yanks.

Is it over for the YP or is it still salvageable?

Just found out my landlord racially discriminates against Indians kek

>>2578637
Both factions largely refused to speak to each other, Zarah held a protest outside, SWP had a tantrum and disrupted events by demanding dual party membership, Corbyn said we shouldn't even use the term "working class" because it excludes disabled people (which as a disabled person I find crazy), and the mainstream news even covered how badly it went as a headline story.



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>>2578401
All the ones I've looked into like that American are just working in labour battalions. At risk of getting bombed but hardly fighting on the frontline.

>>2578643
>just fix nationalism lmao 4head
t. Anon that will get his communist project ruined by nationalists

>>2578157
Modern tankers and cargo ships are very hard to sink. Those hits are near the engineering spaces so it might be a write off if there was internal fires, but it doesn't look like anything more than some fuel leaked and burned.

>>2578094
The Poles are just getting in on the NATO sadism jerk-off now they are a "senior" member due to the rest of Europe being revealed as a paper tiger.

>>2578571
Engel's take was bad (I didn't fucking stutter), because identity politics begets identity politics, liberal (by 1850's standards) ethnonationalism wasn't going to sweep away monarchies, and liberal nations aren't in a hurry to become socialist.

Cheering for 1848 libs is complete goobery, anyway.



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