post all the bakunin vs. marx bangers
marx:
>Bakunin has become a monster, a huge mass of flesh and fat, and is barely capable of walking any more. To crown it all, he is sexually perverse and jealous of the seventeen year-old Polish girl who married him in Siberia because of his martyrdom.
bakunin:
<By origin Marx is a Jew. One might say that he combines all of the positive qualities and all of the short comings of that capable race. A nervous man, some say to the point of cowardice, he is extremely ambitious and vain, quarrelsome, intolerant, and absolute, like Jehovah, the Lord God of his ancestors, and, like him, vengeful to the point of madness. There is no lie or calumny that he would not invent and disseminate against anyone who had the misfortune to arouse his jealousy – or his hatred, which amounts to the same thing. And there is no intrigue so sordid that he would hesitate to engage in it if in his opinion (which is for the most part mistaken) it might serve to strengthen his position and his influence or extend his power
What did bakunin actually ever do doe
>>2872332He wrote the first Russian translation of the Communist Manifesto.
>Noam Chomsky called Bakunin's prediction in Statism and Anarchy that Marxist regimes would become dictatorships "one of the few predictions in the social sciences that actually came true".[53]
Transitioning would have saved them both
>While Bakunin encountered Karl Marx in Paris (1844) and London (1864), he came to know him through the First International (International Working Men's Association), which Marx and Friedrich Engels formed in the 1860s. Bakunin's relationship with Marx became strained in the early 1870s for both interpersonal and ideological differences. Bakunin respected Marx's erudition and passion for socialism but found his personality to be authoritarian and arrogant. In turn, Marx was skeptical of Russian reactionism and Bakunin's unruliness.[24] As Bakunin developed his anarchist ideas in this period, he came to see federative social organization, led by the peasantry and poorest workers, as the primary post-revolution goal, whereas Marx believed in a dictatorship of the proletariat, led by organized workers in industrially advanced countries, in which the workers use state infrastructure until the state withers away. Bakunists abhorred the political organization for which Marx advocated.[25]
>Marx had Bakunin and Bakunist anarchists ejected from the First International's 1872 Hague Congress. This breaking point split the Marxist socialist movement from the anarchist movement and led to the undoing of the International. Bakunin's ideas continued to spread nevertheless, to the labor movement in Spain and the watchmakers of the Swiss Jura Federation.[26]
Is Bolshevism really the synthesis of Bakuninist and Marxist thought? Marx says the proletariat are the revolutionary subject, Bakunin says the peasants. Bolsheviks come along and say: "Why not both?" BOOM Hammer and Sickle.
>>2872337trvke, I'm sorry marxsisters but the USSR vindicated Bakunin
>>2872339Just don't Google how Engels felt about Urnings
>>2872353Marx and Bakunin could have been toxic t4t yuri had we only been brave enough
>>2872345>the USSR vindicated Bakuninanti-Stalinists in Ukraine:
<"We need to work alongside our nazi and Soros NGO agent comrades to destroy what little remains of our nationalized sovereignty and control over the economy. Our president is anti-democratic for exploiting his democratic mandate to veto liberal integration with the EU. Its disgusting and offensive to us woke leftists to oppose open borders for sex workers, what if Ukrainians consented to visiting Epstein's private island??? Shipping mail-order brides is praxxxxiiiiissssssss. That's the real Marxian free association between free producers of our liberal anti-fascist utopia"TOTAL VINDICATION OF FOX NEWS BOOMERS LOL
>>2872337>predictions in the social sciencesGabriel Rockhill sociology reading 100 gecs fans: "I predict this PMC anti-Stalinist is secretly an intimate friend with a Zionist pedophile"
>>2872394>TOTAL VINDICATION OF FOX NEWS BOOMERS LOL?????
fox news boomers don't know or care about yeltsin shock, NATO expansion, euromaidan or CIA shenanigans in ukraine
<"We need to work alongside our nazi and Soros NGO agent comrades to destroy what little remains of our nationalized sovereignty and control over the economy. Our president is anti-democratic for exploiting his democratic mandate to veto liberal integration with the EU. Its disgusting and offensive to us woke leftists to oppose open borders for sex workers, what if Ukrainians consented to visiting Epstein's private island??? Shipping mail-order brides is praxxxxiiiiissssssss. That's the real Marxian free association between free producers of our liberal anti-fascist utopia"word salad + strawman. if you want to talk to people maybe ask them what they think
>>2872409>if you want to talk to people maybe ask them what they thinkSir this is leftypol. The way it works here is you simply tell other people what they think and then endlessly seethe at them over it.
At any rate, to address your original point, Bakunin wasn't wrong that Marxist states tended towards autocracy in the 20th century. However he was wrong about why this happened and what the significance of this way for socialism. If a bourgeois state can give up bourgeois democracy (e.g. to a fascist regime) without giving up its class character, then it stands to reason that a proletarian state can do the same.
>>2872418whats wrong with that every culture develops their own ever changing humor
>>2872323They were both right
>>2872422Thesis: Marxism
Antithesis: Bakuninism
Synthesis: ?