/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2865157
Read this, in particular the chapter on Feuerbach, don't come back until the spooks in your head have died of starvation, then come back and ask for reccs for rudimentary Marxism. It goes through all the points (except the culture war shit like abortion and gay rights). Now fuck off.

When is the last time you've met a jew actively trying to destroy "western civilization"? How much of this stuff has anything to do with what you've personally experienced, and how much of it is a bunch of hyperreal narratives you only know about through a screen or print?

>destruction of cultures
Do you think cultures do not change outside of migration? Do you think places like Japan are exactly the same as they were 300 years ago?

Read this and tell us what you think afterwards:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/jewish-question/

>i would be a lefty if they were willing to call out DA JOOOOOOOZ
Funny because last time i checked, Israel loves all right wing governments and hates even moderately centrist libtarded governments. Clearly we're more hated by your greatest enemy even though none us are racist.

Don’t even bother communism has been all about sticking it to whitey a century before you were shitting your diapers

Two Reading Lists you have to finish before asking us any more questions
Contemporary Reading List
Materialist Philosophy

Engels: Ludwig Feuerbach

Darwin: The Origins of the Species

Plekanov: The Materialist Conception of History

Lenin: Materialism and Empirio-Criticism

Kautsky: Origins of Christianity

Turing: Can a Machine Think

Althusser: Lenin and Philosophy

Dennet: Consciousness Explained

Dennet: Darwin's Dangerous Idea

Political Economy - Capitalist Economy

Marx: Wages Prices and Profit

Marx: Capital, Volume 1

Marx: Capital, Volume 3

Farjoun and Machover: The Laws of Chaos

Sraffa: Production of Commodities by means of Commodities

Kalecki: Selected Essays on the Dynamics of the Capitalist Economy, 1933-1970 (1971)

Pre-capitalist Economy

Jared Diamond: Guns, Germs, and Steel: The Fates of Human Societies

Engels: Origin of the Family

Aristotle: The Politics, Book 1

Socialist Economy

Marx: Critique of the Gotha Programme

Stalin: Economic Problems of Socialism

Nove: Economics of Feasible Socialism

Cockshott and Cottrell: Towards a New Socialism

Arno Peters: Computer Sozialismus: Gespräche mit Konrad Zuse (2001)

Dietrich: Fin del Capitalismo global. El Nuevo Proyecto Histórico

Politics and the State

Marx: Communist Manifesto

Marx: The Civil War in France

Draper: Karl Marx's Theory of Revolution

Lenin: What is to be Done

Lenin: The State and Revolution

Lenin: The Impending Catastrophe and How to Combat it

Mao: Analysis of the Classes in Chinese Society

Mao: On Contradiction

Moses Finlay: Democracy Ancient and Modern

Aristotle: The Politics, Books 4, 5, 6

Advanced Basic Course in Marxist-Leninist Politics
Theoretical Practice Editorial Board (1971)
I: The Party

Basic Reading

Lenin: What is to be Done

Lenin: "Left-Wing Communism an Infantile Disorder" Sections 1 and 10

Stalin: "On the Problems of Leninism" Section 5

Stalin: "The Foundations of Leninism" Section 8

Advanced Reading by Subtopics

The Necessity of Party Organization and its Tasks

Lenin: "What is to be Done" Sections 3e, 4 and 5

Party Organization and Democratic Centralism

Lenin: "One Step Forward, Two Steps Back"

The Task of the Party in the Period of Dual Power and Insurrection

Lenin: "On Slogans"

Lenin: "On Compromises"

Lenin: "The Crisis has Matured" (optional)

Lenin: "Marxism and Insurrection"

Stalin: "The October Revolution and the Tactics of the Russian Communists" Section 3

The Task of the Party in the Dictatorship of the Proletariat

Lenin: "Can the Bolsheviks Retain State Power?"

Lenin: "Once More on the Trade Unions…"

Stalin: "On the Problems of Leninism" Section 5

Party and Class

Lenin: "What is to be Done" Section 2

Stalin: "On the Problems of Leninism" Section 5

II: Relations Between Levels of Struggle

Basic Reading

Lenin: "What is to be Done"

Lenin: "On Slogans"

Advanced Reading by Subtopics

The Relation between Theory and Politics

Marx: Letter to Bracke, May 5, 1875

Marx: "Critique of the Gotha Programme"

Engels: Letter to Bebel, March 18-28, 1875

Ideology and Politics

Marx: Letter to Bracke

Marx: "Critique of the Gotha Programme"

Lenin: "On Slogans"

III: Parliamentary and Extra-Parliamentary Struggle

Lenin: "Two Tactics of Social Democracy in the Democratic Revolution"

Lenin: "Left-wing Communism, an Infantile Disorder"

Engels: Introduction to Marx's "Class Struggles in France" (1895)

Lenin: "Two Tactics of Social Democracy" Section 9

Lenin: "Left-Wing Communism" Section 7

Legal and Illegal Struggle

Engels: Introduction to Marx's "The Class Struggles in France" (1895)

Engels' letters to Kautsky (April 1, 1895) and Lafargue (April 13, 1895)

IV: Deviations

Marx: "The Critique of the Gotha Programme"

Mao: "On Correcting Mistaken Ideas in the Party"

V: The State and its Forms

Engels: Introduction (1891) to Marx's "The Civil War in France"

Lenin: "The State and Revolution"

Marx: "The Civil War in France"

The Bourgeois State Machine

Lenin: "The State and Revolution" Chaps 1, 2, 3, 4

Marx: "The Civil War in France"

Engels: Introduction to Marx's "Civil War in France"

The Transformation of the Form of the State

Lenin: "Once Again on the Trade Unions, the Current Situation and the Mistakes of Trotsky and Bukharin"

State Power, Democracy and the Dictatorship of the Proletariat

Lenin: "The Proletarian Revolution and the Renegade Kautsky"

Stalin: "The Foundations of Leninism" Section 4

VI: Insurrection

Basic Reading

Lenin: "The Dual Power"

Lenin: "Marxism and Insurrection"

Lenin: "On Slogans"

The Complexity of the Revolutionary Situation and Class Alliances

Lenin: "Letters from Afar": First Letter

Lenin: "On Slogans"

The Decision to Call for Insurrection

Lenin: "Marxism and Insurrection"

Lenin: "The Bolsheviks must Assume Power"

VII: The Dictatorship of the Proletariat

Basic Reading

Lenin: "The State and Revolution"

Marx: "The Civil War in France" (with Engels' 1891 Introduction)

Stalin: "The Foundations of Leninism" Section 4

The Necessity for the Maintenance and Transformation of the State Apparatus

Lenin: "State and Revolution" Ch 4 and Ch 5 Sections 1 & 2

Lenin: "The Proletarian Revolution and the Renegade Kautsky"

Economics and Politics in the Era of the Dictatorship of the Proletariat

Correspondence: Marx to Weydemer (March 3, 1852); Engels to Bebel (March 19-28, 1875); Engels to Van Patten (March 15, 1883); Engels to Bernstein (January 1, 1884)

The Dictatorship of the Proletariat through New Forms of State

Engels: Introduction to "The Civil War in France" (1891)

Lenin: "The State and Revolution" Ch.3

Marx and Engels: "The Communist Manifesto" Section 2

Lenin: "The Proletarian Revolution and the Renegade Kautsky"

Stalin: "The Foundations of Leninism" Section 4

Stalin: "On the Problems of Leninism" Section 5

Contradictions Among the People

Mao: "On the Correct Handling of Contradictions among the People"

Stalin: "On the Problems of Leninism" Section 4

Lenin: "Third Congress of the Communist International: Theses for a Report on the Tactics of the RCr"

Ultra Democracy

Lenin: "The Proletarian Revolution and the Renegade Kautsky"

Lenin: "The State and Revolution" Ch.3 Section 3

Libertarianism

Lenin: "The State and Revolution" Ch.4 Sections 2, 3

Engels: "On Authority"

Marx: "Critique of the Gotha Program" Section 4

Peaceful Transition

Lenin: "The State and Revolution" Ch.4 Section 4

Engels: "Critique of the Social-Democratic Draft Programme (Erfurt Programme)"

VIII: Political and Economic Tasks in the Construction of Socialism

Basic Reading

Lenin: "Left-Wing Childishness and Petty-Bourgeois Mentality"

Lenin: "Economics and Politics in the Era of the Dictatorship of the Proletariat"

Lenin: "The Tax in Kind"

Lenin: "On Co-operation"

Stalin: "On the Problems of Leninism" Sections 6 & 7

IX: Cultural Revolution and Mass Line

Basic Reading

Mao: "On the Correct Handling of Contradictions among the People"

Mao: "Speech at the CCP's National Conference on Propaganda Work"

Mao: "Combat Liberalism"

Lenin: "Speech at the All-Russian Conference of Political Education Workers"

Lenin: "Better Fewer but Better"

Mao: "Bombard the Headquarters"

X: Imperialism

Basic Reading

Lenin: "Imperialism the Highest Stage of Capitalism"

Lenin: "Imperialism and the Split in Socialism"

Lenin: "War and Russian Social Democracy"

Lenin: "Socialism and War"

Advanced Reading by Subtopics

Imperialism as a Stage of Uneven Development

Lenin: "Imperialism the Highest Stage of Capitalism", Sections 5-7

Characteristics of Imperialism

Lenin: "Imperialism the Highest Stage of Capitalism" Sections 7 & 8

Marx: "The British Rule in India"

Marx: "The Future Results of the British Rule in India"

Marx: "Capital" Vol One Ch. 25 (section on Ireland) and Ch. 31

Imperialism and War

Lenin: "Imperialism the Highest Stage of Capitalism" Sections 9 & 10

Lenin: "The War and Russian Social Democracy" & "The Collapse of the Second International" & "The Fight against Social Chauvinism"

Proletarian Internationalism in Imperialist War

Lenin: "On the Slogan 'For a United States of Europe'"

Lenin: "Defeat of one's own Government in the Imperialist War"

Lenin: "Proposals Submitted by the Central Committee of the RSDLP to the Second Socialist Conference" (April 1916)

Imperialism, War and Nationalist Struggles

Lenin: "Discussion of Self-Determination Summed Up"

Lenin: "The Right of Nations to Self-determination"

Lenin: "Socialism and War"

Stalin: "The Foundations of Leninism" Sections 1, 3 & 6

XI: Proletarian Internationalism

Internationalism and Imperialism

Lenin: "Socialists and War"

Lenin: "The Socialist Revolution and the Right of Nations to Self-Determination - Theses"

Stalin: "The Foundations of Leninism" Sections 1 & 6

Permanentism, Leninism and Socialism in One Country

Stalin: "The Foundations of Leninism" Section 3

Stalin: "On the Problems of Leninism" Section 3

Stalin: "The October Revolution and the Russian Communists" Section 2

Errors and Deviations

Lenin: "Imperialism and the Split in Socialism"

Lenin: "Critical Remarks on the National Question"

Lenin: "The Right of Nations to Self-Determination" Sections 1-5 and 8

Lenin: "The Revolutionary Phrase"

XII: People's War

No specific reading

There’s no convincing, it’s either in your immediate material interests or it’s not

>Ideological line
Why do you need a single framework to explain everything anyway? What's the benefit here?
And have any of these "j00s run the da world" conspiracies ever explained in the slightest how you can be a better person in your personal life? How to succeed at work? How to be a good spouse? How to raise kids? How to deal with grief or hardship?
>>2865169
>Uhm sweetie if you want to convince yourself you need to read more books than a college postgrad
>None of this specifically deals with pathological antisemitism
Don't do this btw
>>2865170
>Material interests
Completely ignores the role played by pathological insecurities. For example, what does incelism have to do with 'materialist interests' when these people themselves argue relationships are transaction and they live in a world where you can literally buy sex?
Workers can be antisemites too you know.

>>2865161
Will do
>>2865162
>How much of this stuff has anything to do with what you've personally experienced, and how much of it is a bunch of hyperreal narratives you only know about through a screen or print?

When have you ever met a capitalist that looked you in the eyes and told you that they're raping you by robbing you of your productivity and spending your money on raping children? Lived experience is indeed important, but to get a frame of reference for reality you need to rely on broader sources

>Do you think cultures do not change outside of migration? Do you think places like Japan are exactly the same as they were 300 years ago?
Cultures change Rapidly and significantly, as I said, I personally support cultural and social proggress. my own country 100 years ago would be entirely different from what it is today. however: Mass migration leads to the destruction of the native culture and its replacement with something else entirely that wasn't born out of those people.
Take the italians for example (yes I know ancient rome had mass migration). their culture has little to do with ancient rome, but it's an unbroken chain of changes that has led to the current beautiful italian culture. If the Romans were ethnically replaced with arabs, You would have an arabic italian peninsula. the chain of changes would be cut, and replaced by the chain of changes in the arabic branch of culture
>>2865164
will do later tonight.
>>2865165
Most right wingers and right wing governments are ZOGs composed of the worst goys you have every fucking seen. I have more in common with a lefty than I do with these "Right-wingers". do you think Argentina's president gives two shits about his country and his people? Fuck no. if he did he wouldn't cut their social programs. the modern So called "right wing" governments are slaves to capital and the jews.
>2865168
has to do with its jewish origins. but you cannot deny that the ideology Expertly deconstructs how capital is destroying nations across the world

Even if we could convert you what would it matter? You have to have some kind of mental disability to be a nazi in 2026. You seem like a liability if anything. A lot of lefties are down to reform anyone, I don't agree with that. I want people who are rational actors who can advance our movement. Sure this results in less people overall but I believe quality>quantity.

“I began revolution with 82 men. If I had to do it again, I do it with 10 or 15 and absolute faith. It does not matter how small you are if you have faith and plan of action.”
― Fidel Castro

>>2865173
>but it's an unbroken chain of changes that has led to the current beautiful italian culture
all of history is exactly this you dunce, you cannot localize this general historic process

another garbage socdem thread

>>2865169
This is a quarter of the socialist cannon mate. and reading most of the titles, I can clearly see that it's mostly just things I already agree with. The other lit suggestions were better.
>>2865170
reddit. people are driven by more than their material interests. I personally have little material needs, I oppose the capital class because of solidarity with my countrymen who are being destroyed by them.
>>2865171
>Why do you need a single framework to explain everything anyway? What's the benefit here?
Fair point to be honest. a wiser man would cement his conclusions and avoid seeking a tribe to feel validated. it's a bit embarrassing to be called out like this tbh
>>2865175
retarded LARPer. so edgy and cool.
>>2865176
I assume you think modern americans are a continuation of the native american population's culture?

>>2865180
>I assume you think modern americans are a continuation of the native american population's culture?
No.

Median shitlib amerikkkan

>>2865178
>>2865185
A lib would spread his cheeks for capital and die before opposing migration or the international jewery.

>>2865175
>Even if we could convert you what would it matter? You have to have some kind of mental disability to be a nazi in 2026. You seem like a liability if anything. A lot of lefties are down to reform anyone, I don't agree with that. I want people who are rational actors who can advance our movement. Sure this results in less people overall but I believe quality>quantity.

This, we already have enough of these "reformed" /pol/tards on this website who profess they are leftists and communists now and are always trying to "slyly"(they aren't) trying to introduce their reactionary ideas. It's crazy the level of disdain the users of this website have for liberals, but anytime some /pol/tard comes here and goes:
>I hate uyghurs, Epsteinites, transhumanists, spics, ragheads, fags, …. but I'm socialism curious.
Everyone falls over backwards to try to "heal" them. Oh the poor baby.

>>2865186
>A lib would spread his cheeks for capital and die before opposing migration or the international jewery.
Lol.

>>2865184
It's the same dynamic you retard. the destruction of the native cultures across the new world and the global south was the worst crime Europeans have ever committed. to do the same to them by replacing them is just as grave of a sin

>>2865186
i'd save 1 brownoid worker if it meant 10.000 petty-bourgeois ytoids perish

>>2865188
So true. I'm glad Poles and Czechs decolonized.

>>2865173
>Mass migration leads to the destruction of the native culture and its replacement with something else entirely that wasn't born out of those people.
So what? Let's assume for a moment this is true; why does this matter? How does this affect you personally? What specific 'culture' is being lost here through immigration? I've lived in many places, and I can't think of a single one 'destroyed' by migrants. Including where I grew up.
>When have you ever met a capitalist that looked you in the eyes and told you that they're raping you by robbing you of your productivity and spending your money on raping children? Lived experience is indeed important, but to get a frame of reference for reality you need to rely on broader sources
No, and that's exactly my point. It's not relevant. If I can't experience it or personally verify it, then it's not relevant to my life. Whether or not your boss is a rapist is less relevant than the actual socioeconomic relation. Someone can be a 'good person' and still otherwise screw you over (and this goes beyond work).

There narratives rest on the idea that there is something more 'real' than experienced reality it self. Maybe you'd retort by arguing that 'science' generally also deals with phenomena not immediately or easily perceptible. But the results are still personally verifiable.
>Jews are all raping kids and trying to make gentiles race mix and destroy their cultures
>There are 50 million illegal migrants in the UK
>Mooselimbs all secretely want to kill me
Is not something you can personally verify beyond anecdotes the way you can verify the laws of physics still apply. I'll go ahead and say that unlike most people here (including ITT) I'm not a "leftist" and am not trying to convince you to become one. I'm more interested in the personal reasons behind this stuff; why do you need a single framework to explain the world around you, history and everything? Why do you on a personal level care about immigration and migrants, considering people are moving around all the time including 'internally'. (Some countries span the length or are the size of continents you know) When did you first start caring about the "jews" and why? What personal anxieties and insecurities do you have that might be driving all this? And so on.

Migration is literally a constant in human history, even during feudalism and slavery where people were supposedly tied to a master or a particular piece of land

Any kind of anxiety about the cultural war is irrational. With planning and rationing we can ensure decent living standards for 8.5 billion people using 30% of current production, and use the remaining surplus for luxury, free time, and science. This means that you can LARP your ass off in a Aryan commune (but you won't need to, because communism will also change the way you look at things).
<Some narratives* in international development hold that ending poverty and achieving good lives for all will require every country to reach the levels of GDP per capita that currently characterise high-income countries.
<However, this would require increasing total global output and resource use several times over, dramatically exacerbating ecological breakdown.
<Furthermore, universal convergence along these lines is unlikely within the imperialist structure of the existing world economy.
<Here we demonstrate that this dilemma can be resolved with a different approach, rooted in recent needs-based analyses of poverty and development.
<Strategies for development should not pursue capitalist growth and increased aggregate production as such, but should rather increase the specific forms of production that are necessary to improve capabilities and meet human needs at a high standard, while ensuring universal access to key goods and services through public provisioning and decommodification.
<At the same time, in high-income countries**, less-necessary production should be scaled down to enable faster decarbonization and to help bring resource use back within planetary boundaries.
<With this approach, good lives can be achieved for all without requiring large increases in total global throughput and output.
<Provisioning decent living standards (DLS) for 8.5 billion people would require only 30% of current global resource and energy use, leaving a substantial surplus for additional consumption, public luxury, scientific advancement, and other social investments.
<Such a future requires planning to provision public services, to deploy efficient technology, and to build sovereign industrial capacity in the global South.

* i.e. liberal, third-worldist, in general unscientific, utopian or anti-communist narratives
** i.e. the imperialist center

In short,
1) abolish the parasite imperialist state, establish a dotp and end overproduction
2) centrally advance ecological transition and transfer technologies to the global south
3) usher in a new communist age where everyone is happy

We have this thread every fucking month.
>Whenever I look at the Ideological line between myself and lefties, I often find more common ground with socialists than I do with fellow Right-wingers.
That's because fascism and nazism coopted communist rhetoric. That's why the Nazis called themselves "national socialists": national because they wanted to rebuild the nation after the humiliation of WWI, and socialists as to build a more egalitarian society, on paper. Of course, Fascism was the bourgeoisie's damage control, so the USSR was a material enemy and existential threat, this is precisely why Hitler called them "Judeo-Bolsheviks". You must also be aware that ᴉuᴉlossnW was an opportunist formerly associated with socialists. He betrayed them, but pretended to be a political heir of socialism due to its popularity at the time. Thus he even distorted Marxist writers for his own benefit, much like the Nazis did with Nietzsche (who was no Leftist, but rather an aristocrat who looked down on anti-semites and nationalist bravado).
>it is laughable to suggest the international jewery isn't proactively trying to destroy all other civilizations. it is childish to suggest they can be reformed or assimilated
It's the bourgeoisie. The reason they're an international entity is because capitalism has reached its global stage. There is no cabal of shadowy figures, unfortunately the reality is much more banal: Capital has established itself as a global system independently of any individual agents. Kill all Jews and they'll be replaced by whites and asians and maybe a few blacks and latinos. It is true that there is Jewish overrepresentation, much like there is white overrepresentarion, but this ultimately does not matter unless your priority is to be whipped by a master who's vaguely similar to you culturally (or at least pretends to, since the like of the bourgeois is very disconnected from common men, even the "upper-middle class" ones).
It is also childish to fantasize that Jews are some uniquely subversive force on culture. There is no subversion in abstract, the bourgeoisie (rather, Capital) subverts and normalizes as it benefits itself from it.
My favorite of Lenin's short text is one where he elaborates on an old saying: "Who stands to gain?" Whenever you see any rhetoric or public policy, try to think who gains what from it. There is no benefit in destroying civilizations in abstract.
>The destruction of cultures around the world by mass migration is bad actually sweaty. (also it's a plot of the jews)
This is simply retarded. Politics is about eating, not your aesthetic preferences.

>>2865197
>ny kind of anxiety about the cultural war is irrational. With planning and rationing we can ensure decent living standards for 8.5 billion people using 30% of current production,
This whole point fails because comfy middle class petit bouj suburbanites are capable of being antisemites, incels and racists too. When are you some of you gonna realize there's more to life than "more treats"?

>>2865202
there's nothing but material production and consumption, without this there is no humanity, and are you aware what it would mean to liberate 70% of productive forces? like dude come on quantity to quality and all that

>>2865157
Yes there is a Zionist clique trying to promote their own interests. Not the same as all Jews being in on it though.

Destruction of cultures is bad, sure, I guess, though I think cultures are kind of a spooky concept, there's no such thing as a static culture in the first place, culture is about change

>>2865192
Ah yes. because a bunch of dutch people traveling 100 kilometers south and into belgium has the same impact as 20 million sub-saharran africans moving into Belgium.
>>2865191
I'm going to give you a holistic response:
You seem to be obsessed with this idea of Personal interaction with abstract ideas. I don't know enough about philosophy to categorize it, but that's my read on your opposition to what I'm proposing.

Why do I care if my boss rapes children if I can't verify it/it doesn't impact me/It's not my job to care for it? you might be smugly waiting for some retarded pseudo intellectual response. I don't have that for you
The answer is simple: My fee-fees. I feel bad and angry when I find out my boss Rapes children >:( I don't like it. Why? I don't know. maybe it's the way I was raised. maybe it's a sense of empathy or a narcissitic desire to be an agent of justice, a hero. but the core of it is the same. My fee fees.

It's irrational. but humans are irrational beings. that's why we don't cannibalize each other. think about it, it's free calories being wasted. why not eat granny? cause it hurts our fee fees.

You can twirl your intellectual mustache all you want. but you can never make people do things/like things that make them feel bad

>>2865202
>middle class petit bouj suburbanites
Cockshott wrote a paper that white middle aged upper middle class and higher and literally the only people which are (marginally) worse off if communist distribution was practiced

>>2865205
>a hero
Commit to an hero.

>>2865203
It doesn't matter if without this there's no humanity. There's more to life than consuming and producing commodities.

>>2865205
> but humans are irrational beings
WRONG you essentialist RETARDO, humans ARE and we just ARE whatever we ARE you are an agent of satan

>>2865210
>There's more to life than consuming and producing commodities.
Proof? And I didn't say commodities anywhere btw

>>2865205
>the same impact as 20 million sub-saharran africans moving into Belgium.

has that happened? no? ok then.

you realise capitalism is the force that drives immigration anyways right? we bomb and economically exploit their countries so they come here and work for cheap

in communism all countries should be roughly economically equal so people wouldnt leave without a particular reason.

>>2865157
This is an even funnier particular rightoid than usual lol. A cosmopolitan rightoid who hates cosmopolitanism. You are just a racist dude, it's that simple.

>I believe in preserving traditional cosmopolitan culture which is being corrupted by the Jews
Lol, lmao even.

>>2865188
>It's the same dynamic you retard. the destruction of the native cultures across the new world and the global south was the worst crime Europeans have ever committed. to do the same to them by replacing them is just as grave of a sin

Do you seriously think less than 1% of the population per year of non white European immigrants coming to the west is in any way comparable to European settlers exterminating the native Americans through their superior technology to steal their land?

>>2865216
oh ok sorry bro i meant 'administrative cantons'

>>2865218
thanks bro love you bro

>>2865213
Is producing and consuming all you think about everyday? Is this how you evaluate every relationship? Does all your time revolve around this? It certainly doesn't for me.
>>2865205
My critique is not moral, it is epistemological. Maybe it would offend me if I knew my boss was raping kids, but that's not the issue here. It's assuming that I know with no way of personally verifying it. Narratives like
>Da j00s are causing people to race mix and illegally migrate in order to destroy cultures
Are just that, a narrative. Question for example if counter examples would disprove the narrative; If you were to befriend someone you found out later was a jew, and they're not like that, would that change your worldview? What is any of this stuff based on anyway?
One of my "it's all bullshit" realizations came from spotting the similarities between different grand narratives (often eschatological and apocalyptic too). You can cherry pick history into a narrative where wypipo and christians are trying to kill muslims and non-whites. It's the same the bullshit.

I have a lot of interest in history and anthropology, so it's not like I consider the study of things I can't immediately experience myself to be worthless. But it's (besides my own experiences) a big reason why I've turned my back on these hysterical persecutory siege mentality end times narratives (The Ummah is being destroyed by unbelievers, migrants are destroying the nation, da j00s are plotting to rule the world, everyone's trying to genocide and destroy Israel and God's Chosen, etc etc etc.)

>>2865206
This is irrelevant if racism, misogyny, antisemitism etc. can also exist due to different kinds of status anxiety, death anxiety, sexual anxieties and insecurities and so on. Some guys get plenty of pussy and are still raging misogynists. Etc.

>>2865226
>Is producing and consuming all you think about everyday? Is this how you evaluate every relationship? Does all your time revolve around this? It certainly doesn't for me.
We are talking about humanity, the basis for you to all things listed is that humans produce and consume.

>>2865227
>due to different kinds of status anxiety, death anxiety, sexual anxieties and insecurities and so on
Not the material basis so I don't really care dude. Fascistic psychosexuality would be a footnote in history if they hadn't been materially supported by industrialists.

>>2865157
i think you're just edgy and will grow out of it. btw, why do the fucking germans keep doing the "capitalising the nouns" shit while speaking english? same with the french and spaces before question marks

you can't become a lefty, people don't just suddenly develop intelligence halfway through their life, you were born a self-centered retard and you will always be a self-centered retard. you should just embrace it and go join some white nationalist movement or something if you want to be part of something so badly. and if you can't accept it, then you should just kill yourself.

>>2865259
wtf is this pic supposed to prove? wouldn't it be slighly more honest to look at the whole ethnic makeup of the UK which has had a far less dramatic change?

>>2865259
>cities, where commodities in general from the whole world are accumulated to, also accumulate labor-power (another commodity) from the whole world
wowzie

>>2865269
Are you having a psychosis?

>>2865259
>Spend life working for captial literally write to peter thiel
>rightoids blame jews and minorities instead
Another 1,000 years of capitalism uncontested

>>2865157
>>2865168
>>2865173
>>2865180
>>2865186
>>2865188
>>2865205
why does this style of thread get made so often
>evangelize to me
why? you are just a person. you are not important. you are not essential. the emancipation of labor from capital does not hinge on you getting evangelized to by office worker liberals who use communism as a consumer identity on a dying imageboard

>>2865259
Lol, what the fuck does Epstein have to do with the graphic on the right? Lol you have all of Epstein's private correspondences and the only one you could put into your collage is that a Rothschild was one of his clients. You don't have a single email of him going:
>Umm White genocide? Ummm based!

Only thing I remember race related besides the goyim stuff, was that he only wanted them to bring him White or Asian hookers and he said no Black chicks.

>>2865274
Did heckin based crusader 1488 on twitter tell you about starship troopers? You guys are such npcs it's insane

>>2865278
Omg I was right lmao, you just repeat shit you saw on twitter. Your worldview was literally implanted in you by the richest guy on earth >>2865279 (me)

>>2865273
>why does this style of thread get made so often
The real question is why this kind of bullshit thread is what draws the most sincere effortposts from /leftypol/ losers. I think because so many of them are also former /pol/tards.

>>2865283
Call me whatever names you want I hit the nail on the head. I'll forget whatever you say in a few minutes but you're stuck as elon's cumdumpster forever

>>2865283
White peoples are literally so weak and fragile that a couple of browns is enough to make them scared enough to leave their city, the migrants didn’t even need their own Hanagagh or Lehi to do it.

>>2865278
I'm not pretending to not understand, I literally don't understand what kind of schizo connections you're trying to make. LMAO. How pathetic that you won't even make an attempt to explain your schizo collage and red strings.

>>2865289
You still haven't come up with a reply to the fact you're a slave to the twitter algo

>>2865290
Unironically the guy is mentally retarded. They can never explain themselves because they lack basic cognitive abilities we have. That's the whole point of the meme so they can avoid having to use reason. It's like trying to explain math to an ant

>>2865295
"no u" kek

There’s nothing unique about jews, the exact same historical dynamics and stereotypes happen about Chinese in southeast asia and Igbo in Nigeria

>>2865301
No, actually, the Euroid experience is universal. Jews were observed poisoning wells in Bengal before the fuggen brownoids even had water down there.

>>2865157
Do it for her

>>2865304
>>2865157
OP ask yourself. Is this the kind of filth you want to be associated with? If you have any reaction that isn't embarrassment you will never be a leftist. It's that simple.

>>2865304
>american crackers give billions of dollars and free weapons to jews to kill arabs and then cry that they are being white genocided
pathetic tbh

>>2865310
>shows up
>pisses and shits himself
>declares victory
ok faggotron

>>2865292
There is no connection between him and Epstein. It's just pure schizophrenia. Anyways I looked up his art. You say the ones with the white and black figures killing each other is obviously supposed to represent and endorsing white genocide, what are these ones supposed to represent?

>>2865315
Watch he'll run away now or call you a name because he can't come up with an argument

>>2865304
I guarantee you can find han chauvinist shit like that in Thailand or Malaysia and there are still Igbo nationalists saying the same things about Nigerian muslims

>>2865282
yeah it's pathetic shit, true

>>2865301
How many Igbo bribe Nigerian politicians to established an Igbo apartheid ethnostate on the other side of the world again? “Jews are just a middle man minority” falls flat on its face

MUH WIDE JENNA SIDE WAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAH

MUH WIDE JENNA SIDE WAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAH

MUH WIDE JENNA SIDE WAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAH

MUH WIDE JENNA SIDE WAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAH

MUH WIDE JENNA SIDE WAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAH

MUH WIDE JENNA SIDE WAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAH

MUH WIDE JENNA SIDE WAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAH

MUH WIDE JENNA SIDE WAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAH

>>2865325
>How many Igbo bribe Nigerian politicians to established an Igbo apartheid ethnostate on the other side of the world again?
when white south africans did this did you speak up or be quiet?

>>2865325
They literally fought a civil war in the 60s for it, and were supported by Israel at the time when doing so. There are still Igbo separatist militias running around southern Nigeria today they just aren’t as big and don’t get news coverage that Boko Haram/alQaeda/ISIS do

The only reason there's a white genocide is because only dogs fuck white women.

>>2865197
>we can ensure decent living standards for 8.5 billion people using 30% of current production
I sincerely doubt it, but say with near-future technology we can:
If you can gurantee remigration + Dethroning of international jewery, I will die to make sure the global south achieves these utopian promises as well as the global north.
>>2865306

She is unironically a prime example of how much women contribute to society if they're allowed equal opportunity.

>>2865329
>humiliated himself by not reading the image award
God you're such a hysterical faggot. I did read the image.

>Epstein works for Rothschild
<Cleson sold one artwork to Rothschild
>London is becoming less White

That was all the text that was in the image. The name Rothschild is already spooky enough, but you have to toss in Epstein to make it extra spooky when there is zero relation to anything else in there. It's like peak schizophrenia.

>>2865338
Bro you seriously got some kind of psychosexual pathology going on. I mentioned that in the text.

<Cleson sold one artwork to Rothschild
Now what does that have to do with Epstein?

Lol INB4 you just bust in with another non-sequitr:
>>2865328
<BUT WHAT ABOUT CRIME STATISTICS

>>2865338 degenerate white capitalist possesses artistical bnwo fetish porn, big suprise.

>>2865214
>you realise capitalism is the force that drives immigration anyways right? we bomb and economically exploit their countries so they come here and work for cheap
Yes I do.
>in communism all countries should be roughly economically equal so people wouldnt leave without a particular reason.
Unironically your post pushed me far further left than you'd think. thanks

>>2865334
guarantee remigration

how about no? the average non white briton has contributed infinitely more to society than farage or lowe ever had, or the average fascist street thug (usually perennially in and out of jail, never worked for a living, and half of them end up getting arrested for noncing)

>>2865346
Well no worries I guess. I still think people should be allowed to immigrate if they want but without economic factors there's no reason why millions of people from MENA would want to come to Europe.

>>2865316
I think Peterson's jewish fetish for killing white people is fairly obvious. idk why there's even an argument here.

What I find cringe is how you're all arguing over some perverted BNWO fetishits' work

>>2865352
I mean we're not the ones who brought it up.

I was responding and accidentslly refreshed, what on earth was he talking about "yughur dick" huh?

>>2865357
Why are white Aryan Briton women so unfuckable? It's Epstein?

Why does “import the third world becomes the third world” only ever apply to people but not sugar, oil, coffee, tea, fruits, vegetables, or any of the other products it takes to keep so called white societies afloat?

>>2865367
People can be foodstuffs if you don’t get caught

>>2865370
you're the exact type of retarded, provincial, unwashed fucking wigger That's making me question my political allegiances btw

For the record I was the one arguing with you and I'm not a mod and I never report except for literal CP. But yeah, this place isn't really for you chief. You're not going to make any headway here and we've seen hundreds of identical unoriginal /pol/tard clones spam the same stupid infographics for over a decade now. It has no effect. If you want to try to influence the board to be more reactionary, you have to be a little more sly about it.

>>2865373
kill yourself

>>2865376
no

You already have /pol/ all to yourselves, but you really can't help yourselves but come here too huh

>>2865241
You argue the reverse too. Without psychosexual pathologies there would be no basis for fascist fanatics shooting millions and dumping them in mass graves.
Did the end of mass famines, illiteracy and growing prosperity in USSR end all misogyny, tribalism, and other reactionary impulses?
>>2865282
Because between autistic theory threads and books no one reads, obsessing over 100 year old vendettas, culture wars shit and geopolitics trash these are one of the few interesting threads aside from actual happenings.
>>2865373
I love how in the mind of the schizo this is all automatically connected and makes sense and is part of a grand conspiracy.
Anyway, you know lib culture critics would critique those images as perpetuating racist stereotypes right? (black = evil, destructive, barbaric, etc.)

>>2865386
*Can argue

>>2865383
Honest to god I made this thread in good faith.

>>2865392
You've been alright, don't worry about it.

>>2865395
>pandering
disgusting

>>2865334
>She is unironically a prime example of how much women contribute to society if they're allowed equal opportunity.
idk who that is or what you mean by this but I think the average working class mother contributes much more to society than any celebrity, male or female.

>>2865461
It's true though. If someone is actually willing to have a conversation, why get all shitty about it and be like "it's not my job to educate you". It's silly.

>>2865464
>I think the average working class mother contributes much more to society than any celebrity, male or female.
But does she post pictures I can crank my shaft to?

>>2865468
Plenty do

>>2865469
I mean, the lady in the pic could be a working class mother because I have no idea who that is.

>>2865470
True, me neither, all my waifus are covered in fur and fictional

>>2865278
How about you stop being spooked by race nonsence and culture war nonsence. Race is completely made up crap and has nothing to do with my life.

>>2865473
> all my waifus are covered in fur and fictional.

Same here. I never create my own furry waifus too.

>>2865481
*I even create my own furry waifus too.

>>2865482
Nice, with art and stuff, or just concepts? Share them in the furry thread

Oh! I agree with you tha-
>looking at the thread
>every second post is deleted

>>2865505
It was just one retard that spammed retarded "hurhur left btfo guys" shit

Be left-wing, but don't be a Marxist. I don't think you need any explanations, especially since you're an antisemitic /pol/ack.
Take more noname ideologies created by non-Jews, and stay closer to the center.

Also, culture was long ago destroyed with the advent of Abrahamism - everything considered "progressive" today can easily be found in ancient history (but to be fair, it's now returning in a secular, jewed form, constructed as sabotage).
So I wouldn't blame the migrants - they're stupid, but only because they're even greater victims of Abrahamism. I don't know if racemixing is bad, but being a racist certainly isn't worth it. (((They))) want to divide the goyim.

>>2865157
>it is laughable to suggest the international jewery isn't proactively trying to destroy all other civilizations. it is childish to suggest they can be reformed or assimilated
>The destruction of cultures around the world by mass migration is bad actually sweaty. (also it's a plot of the jews)
You don't need specific marxist redpills for that, you just need to learn history. Ruling classes of all periods loved migration because it was beneficial to them. Just pick a period and >civilization that interests you and go at it. Rome had huge migrations within it, so did Chinese emperors regularly resettle outside peoples inside their territory. The Spanish empire literally shipped over black people to work on the plantations on their new continent, but I guess that's jewish too even though they had just expelled the jews at that time.
It's so fucking weird to me that people keep clinging to jews so much even though they refer to large swathes of the population as 'spiritually jewish' like American boomers. Oh well, I guess Karl Marx also made that mistake before he started referring to them as bourgeoisie.

>>2865217
This. Immigration is good for a country with low birth rates.

Also to your antisemitism point, some of the best leftists have been Jewish. It’s not a matter of identity at birth it’s a matter of the identity you assume. To say jews as a group and not Zionists as a group are the problem is bigoted and exclusionary.

>>2865486
I create concepts and commission other furry artists to draw them for me.

>>2865486
and is the furry thread in /hobby/ or /siberia/ ?

>>2865386
>You argue the reverse too.
No you can't, really argue the reverse.
>Did the end of mass famines, illiteracy and growing prosperity in USSR end all misogyny, tribalism, and other reactionary impulses?
Most of them, yes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_revolution_in_the_Soviet_Union

>>2865636
Migration destroyed Rome. Snow uyghurs were jumping over the border or something like that.

>I believe Capital is actively destroying countries all around the world in order to enrich itself.
Yes, we can read Lenin on this topic (1913):
<And it is into this struggle that capitalism is drawing the masses of the working people of the whole world, breaking down the musty, fusty habits of local life, breaking down national barriers
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1913/oct/29.htm
Mass immigration is caused by empire. Marx (1870):
<But the English bourgeoisie has also much more important interests in the present economy of Ireland. Owing to the constantly increasing concentration of leaseholds, Ireland constantly sends her own surplus to the English labour market, and thus forces down wages and lowers the material and moral position of the English working class.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1870/letters/70_04_09.htm
Capitalism abolishes the family. Marx/Engels (1848):
<no other nexus between man and man than naked self-interest, than callous “cash payment”. It has drowned the most heavenly ecstasies of religious fervour, of chivalrous enthusiasm, of philistine sentimentalism, in the icy water of egotistical calculation […] The bourgeoisie has torn away from the family its sentimental veil, and has reduced the family relation to a mere money relation.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch01.htm
Capitalism also abolishes private property itself (1848):
<in your existing society, private property is already done away with for nine-tenths of the population; its existence for the few is solely due to its non-existence in the hands of those nine-tenths.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch02.htm
So then, "All that is solid melts into air, all that is holy is profaned".
>I fucking hate rural areas and rural life.
Nick Fuentes pilled.
>I don't care for some abstract concept of a past to Retvrn to
>I love technology. I love Modernity. I love our current way of life.
Richard Spencer pilled.
>Idc about the gays and the transhumanists if anything they're a sign of social progress.
Well, "progress" must first be defined. I myself am sceptical of such a concept.
>it is laughable to suggest the international jewery isn't proactively trying to destroy all other civilizations.
>The destruction of cultures around the world by mass migration is bad actually sweaty. (also it's a plot of the jews)
Sure, but Christians are also inwardly-circumcised Jews. Muslims are also Ishmaelites. We are all Abraham's seed, which is why the radical right often poses Pagan spirituality against the Weltgeist of Christian religion. As Spengler says, Christianity is the parent of Bolshevism. Until people stop believing in a Jewish messiah, there are only ceaseless hypocrites. We can read Marx (1843):
<In its perfected practice, Christian egoism of heavenly bliss is necessarily transformed into the corporal egoism of the Jew, heavenly need is turned into world need, subjectivism into self-interest. We explain the tenacity of the Jew not by his religion, but, on the contrary, by the human basis of his religion – practical need, egoism. […] The social emancipation of the Jew is the emancipation of society from Judaism.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/jewish-question/
And on the Church itself (1867):
<The English Established Church, e.g., will more readily pardon an attack on 38 of its 39 articles than on 1/39 of its income. Now-a-days atheism is culpa levis [a relatively slight sin, c.f. mortal sin], as compared with criticism of existing property relations.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/p1.htm
But lets go further; who has killed more white people in history? Who has destroyed local culture? Who has tried to merge the world into a single hierarchy? Catholics or Jews? The Christian is the true Jew, as it is written!
<Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
https://biblehub.com/revelation/3-9.htm
We are the true Jews, who believe in the Messiah.

>>2865170
Lenin claims that Marx and Engels were bourgeois intellectuals (1901):
<By their social status the founders of modern scientific socialism, Marx and Engels, themselves belonged to the bourgeois intelligentsia.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1901/witbd/ii.htm
Engels himself says that socialism was conceivably "bourgeois" (1890):
<Socialism in 1847 signified a bourgeois movement
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/preface.htm
So the intellect can clearly exceed material conditions.
>>2865175
>A lot of lefties are down to reform anyone, I don't agree with that.
WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE! - Except you…
>>2865188
Europeans colonised themselves before other people. The central mythology of Greco-Roman legend is the Trojan War. On this topic, I would also suggest looking into "primitive accumulation".
>>2865215
Cosmopolitanism existed in ancient societies.
>>2865636
>Ruling classes of all periods loved migration because it was beneficial to them.
What? Mass expulsions exist throughout history. Especially of Jews.

1) Immigration happens because people in poor countries want better economic opportunities. This is not a conspiracy theory.

2) immigration is partly allowed by the capitalist class to suppress wages.

3) they don't allow too much immigration because they know a significant chunk of the working class is opposed to it for both chauvinist and economic reasons

4) Nevertheless, the long term result of even low immigration is a big change in ethnic makeup of countries. This is the natural result of economic decisions and not some kind of deliberate conspiracy theory to "genicide" white people

5) 80% of the land that white people currently live on used to be non-white majority 500 years ago. Not saying that whites should be killed or sent back, just adding some context so you can get over your victim mentality

6) there are conservative anti immigrant Jews as well. Jews are not a monolith. And in Israel, there are leftist Jews and Israel has quite a few immigrants as well. Your obsession with Jews serves no purpose other than to direct your hatred away from the capitalist ruling class towards only a particular ethnicity, while ignoring the 90% of Anglo-Saxon capitalists who are actually responsible for mass immigration.

In short, you have no valid theory and no valid programme. You are also not even interesting to talk to, this isnt 2015 anymore when the alt right was new. Find better talking points. Or actually DO something about the elites that you claim to hate. Don't bore us any further.

>>2865758
Imagine thinking porn is genocide but an actual non-online with physical non-digital bullets and bombs genocide isn't. I'm glad that guy's friend killed himself.

>>2865767
>80% of the land that white people currently live on used to be non-white majority 500 years ago.
What?

>>2865758
>>2865771
And then
>REEEE HOW DARE YOU JOKE ABOUT 41%?

>>2865282
>>2865320
Why is that a bad thing?
Are you perhaps butthurt that our brothers in anime imageboard degeneracy get preferential treatment over twitter radlibs and reddit (neo)libshits?

>>2865973
>why is everyone bending over backwards to suck up to a poltard
<are you saying you prefer redditfags and twitterfags
no. next question

>>2865778
imagine being this dumb
>>2865780
he will ignore this, cope, or insult. rest assured there will be no humility involved

>>2865973
>our brothers in anime imageboard degeneracy
Not my brother. Also anime is even more popular on twitter and reddit than 4chan probably these days lol. It's not really a 4chan quirk chungus signifer anymore. Only thing really that seperates 4chan from the others is open virulent racism, antisemitic conspiracy, the 4chan frog, and soyjaks, all of which are banned now on /leftypol/.

>>2865273
>office worker liberals who use communism as a consumer identity on a dying imageboard
hey! I work from home, not an office!

>>2865187
> It's crazy the level of disdain the users of this website have for liberals
are we even using the same website? libs are very coddled here

>>2866064
Very believable, no refugees are headed to the balkans en masse, and spains nationalist movement is much stronger than Britain where farage might actually lose to count binface.

>>2865169
Omfg, you are like a meme of what an annoying lefty is.

>UMMM EXCUSE ME, HAVE YOU DONE YOUR HOMEWORK AND READ ALL MY FAVORITE BOOKS YET????

Plz learn to express your thoughts through words instead of quotes and book recommendations.


>>2865157
Anti-Semitism just is Class Consciousness for retards. Think about the richest fucks who own everything. Are they operating out of self-interest to make themselves even richer, or out of a magical desire to please some dogshit minority religion no one would even give a fuck about if not for Israeli influence on politics? Israel is a state, they're more interested in amassing geopolitical power and doing racism than anything particularly religious. Most Jews I know are PMCs or working class. That's not to say that no influential Jews exist in media and banking, they do. They're just not the primary problem we're facing. Even the richer ones are usually just Zionist fucks or shitlibs.

It's all about the money, follow the money. Who has the money? The bourgeoisie. Who's interest do they work for? Their own, their only religion is the Almighty dollar. They've tricked you into believing in magic money people who are secretly the "REAL" ones running the world, while they do it out in the open. It is in their interest to pit the working class against each other, keep them fighting about retarded bullshit and idpol, thus keeping the working class from rising up and doing anything to stop them.

isn't the concept of international jewry an anachronism at this point? they've got a nation-state recognized by all the world powers who count in these things. jewish nationalists attempt to subvert the interests of other nations in the service of their own, because that is the political function of nationalism. the successful execution of that function produces the disproportionate prosperity migrants are seeking. we differ in that you seem to only apply this analysis to jewish nationalism, and you erroneously refer to it as international jewry.

if there's one thing the world needs more of, it's people who treat politics as a performance and switch their political alignment at the drop of a hat and have no genuine human conscience or convictions at all. thank you op for doing your part to eradicate every trace of authenticity and meaning from modern society, keep up the good work buddy.

>>2866617
>waah everything is so le inauthentic waah
get your romantic ass back to the 19th century, this is post-modernity bitch, we clown on this mf

>>2866632
>19th century
Even this is dated. We read Thomas Carlyle's despair of the loss of meaning in the 19th century, along with the reply of Engels who sees it inherent in the alienation of religion itself. Marx also takes Carlyle's criticism and applies to it to the abolition of the family, and all its sacred bonds. The great novel of Don Quixote (1615) clearly displays the same sort of Arthurian romanticism of 13th century literature, which itself is harkening back to the 6th century. The original nostalgia is in Hesiod's Works and Days (700 BCE), where the visage of a "Golden Age" is long behind the current "Iron Age".

>>2866617
How is it a bad thing to ask people to convince you of their ideology? That's being intellectually honest, assuming you honestly engage in the discussion.

>>2866659
trvke
also hi smith anon :)

>>2866663
>convince me to stop being a smoll bean nazi uwu
Kill yourself for thinking this retard would be convinced by anyone in this thread

My biggest issue with chuds is how many of them would be ok with the current status quo but under different aesthetics and how many of their talking points are riddled with is-ought fallacies, and can’t forget how they can’t decide as to whether ideology or race matters more, combined with how they often have many of the traits they complain leftists of having (e.g., indifference to the truth), and overall lack of revolutionary thought.

Let’s take race for example. Jared Taylor tells his audience that race being biological means that your should be a right-leaning Christian libertarian, but that doesn’t follow at all. In fact, even if we took the concept of races as being rooted in biology and shaping outcomes far more than socioeconomic factors for granted, it still wouldn’t invalidate shit like affirmative action and DEI. Far from it, it would actually justify those measures alongside welfare leeching since under that logic it can equally be argued that affirmative action and DEI are necessary for the socioeconomic welfare of African Americans and Latinos since according to racialists they’ll just revert to the mean no matter how much they study anyway.

Thus, the problem with pseudoscience HBD’s true believers are that they’re committing an is-ought fallacy by using their so-called “race science” to argue in favor of austerity and other rightoid policies.

As for indifference to the truth, see how they’ll use deconstructionist arguments to dismiss hate speech laws, only to turn into moralfags whenever some leftist gets indicted with bogus charges of “terrorism”, as if “terrorism” isn’t any more of a magic word than “hate speech”. That goes to show their lack of coherence and understanding of how lawmaking actually works and how selective they are in their reasoning. And there’s of course the issue of interracial rape that they overflow as some sort of epidemic by using the same feminist talking points that they would deride if applied to any other situation like MeToo and Jack Russell’s case. See: https://xcancel.com/RichardHanania/status/2068476652447777145
I dislike Hanania for being a Zionist capitalist mouthpiece, but he is right in that tweet and note how almost all of the replies are chuds doing muh feelz and unironically using MeToo-ist feminist rhetoric to justify the slopaganda they swallowed wholesale. I could show more examples, but you get the point: Neither side of capital, left or right, gives a rat’s ass about the truth.

The obsession with wanting to change only the aesthetics correlates with how they aren’t revolutionaries to begin with, since they merely want affirmative action and minority privileges but for the goyim. Indeed, a prime example are captive_dreamer (real name: Geoffrey Martin) and Nick Fuentes (a.k.a., captive_dreamer but lagging by two years), the former of whom has gone from quoting Hitler to being an edgier and more racist version of Sean Hannity, despite the fact that the same status quo establishment that the alt-right used to attack during the Obama years and first Trump term remain relatively unchanged sans the aesthetics. America is still ZOG, mass immigration is still continuing with the drop having more to do with the USA turning into a shithole than Trump doing some ethnic cleansing via ICE, and the problems that were caused by the 2008 financial crisis are unsolved to this day.

But all it took to shut up the /pol/tards and make them into compliant and subservient goyim was a bunch of viral marketing tricks and a solid mockingbird influencer network. Ofc inability to question their own priors combined with the online right’s inability to have genuine economic critique beyond falling back to Reaganism and Thatcherism are some of the reasons, but I think the biggest factor is that the modern western right has stopped being revolutionary since at least 2016 when the right-wingers that wanted to overthrow the American government as opposed to talking over it (like William Luther Pierce’s National Alliance) have largely died off by then with the remnants being feds or deranged psychos unappealing to even their fellow travellers. And this isn’t exclusive to America as many of the chuds in Europe and Australia that used to be opposed to the USA are now America’s top bitches who fully support the American empire like cucks. And I don’t think it’s a coincidence that much of this shift occurred in 2023 when the leftist response against Israel led to the establishment to abandon woke in favor of the anti-woke (much like how the continental elites that used to support the enlightenment turned to the anti-enlightenment forces when it became clear that Napoleon Bonaparte’s French empire would threaten capital) either out of anti-leftist reactionism or purely out of spite. And this Nazi-to-neocon pipeline will continue on as much of what used to be the identitarian right become philosemitic especially under the reactionary zoomers who have little memory of the intellectual anti-semitism of the 2010s and are more influenced by shallow algorithmic shifts as exemplified by Clavicular, Joe Rogan, Nick Fuentes and other bought and paid for mockingbird influencers.

The “race matters over ideology, but we can’t let them in because they don’t share our values” talking point is one of the biggest contradictions chuds on X’itter have, especially since they’ll mock civic nationalists for being “raceblind” only to use their same arguments for restricting immigration. But if they were right, they would have to admit that immigration from Europe at the turn of the last century did tangentially affect American society, but that would undermine the white nationalist narrative that immigration is ok if it’s only from so-called “white countries”.

And what does it say about modern immigration from Latin America if the changes to American society are far less radical than what happened with Ellis islanders?

One amusing aspect of modern chuds is how they dismiss citizenship as being just a “piece of paper” when this belief would be so alien to the very ancient Romans these chuds look up to, as citizenship was a cornerstone of ancient Romans identity (especially in the republican and imperial periods) such that citizenship defined who was and wasn’t Roman and with it determined many aspects of life like property ownership, rights, power, etc…

In fact, it wouldn’t be an exaggeration that citizenship was foundational to being a Roman back in antiquity far more than religion, race and ethnicity.

So no wonder that the average right-winger has more in common with a radfem over a communist since both rightists and radfems are middle class-centric and value abstractions and mysticisms and “lived experiences”-type stupidpol over economics and rationalism the way communists and ancaps at least do if the criss-cross theory is correct.

>>2866687
performative post

>>2865516
the right graph just becomes the left graph if you zoom out more

>>2866687
If you don't wanna reply to him then don't, you're straight up retarded though to not even consider the fact that our ideas might actually be able to win over some people

>>2866019
>build a globe spanning empire
>get mad when your colonies come home
classic

>>2867004
I've spent like 10-20 minutes replying in this topic, which was a form of entertainment for me, please tell me how I could have converted 100s of workers in that time?

>>2867006
it's not you. it's everyone on this board. threads like these get made every month or so and it's always bait

>uwu i'm so cwose to communism, convince me it's not just jewish black magic made to make me hate myself for being white

<tons of people quote marx

>wow so you just listen to everything some old jew told you? sounds pretty jewish

ad nauseum

>>2867004
Look bro, the only people who are into this shit are a subsection of a subsection of the internet. The only people that come around here are regulars who used to use 4chan and tourists who use 4chan.
If you don't like the medium and it's consequences, maybe try hexbear or lemmygrad

>>2866663
>How is it a bad thing to ask people to convince you of their ideology?
it's wasted effort if they're not really interested and just want to waste your time

>>2867031
Debating right wingers is your idea of pandering?

>>2867064
yes debating is pandering. and this applies to real life to.

when you put a retard on stage who believes noah's ark is literally true, and you put him across from an evolutionary biologist, you are implicitly telling the public "these ideas should be taken equally seriously, and you should be the judge of which idea is more correct by which person has the better charisma and one-liners."

>>2867068
What public are we exposing to Nazi ideology on an imageboard, anon?
It's just a bit of fun to let off steam by dunking on retards, and if anything, debating the stray Nazi is pandering to the leftypol user base, not the Nazi.
Nobody on leftypol is or is going to be a revolutionary, this is just a place to shit post and seethe about capitalist dystopia we were born in.
If you want it to be better than that, I'm sorry but imageboards don't facilitate organizing very well.

>>2865486
>>2865665
>>2865663
wanting to fuck animals is fascist behavior btw

>>2867031
If there are 100 users on a dying imageboard, and one of them is spreading nazi propaganda unchallenged. There's 100 nazis on a dying imageboard.

>it is laughable to suggest the international jewery isn't proactively trying to destroy all other civilizations. it is childish to suggest they can be reformed or assimilated
What would be the point of that? Don't you think you're giving too much emphasis to this entirely nebulous group of undefined individuals? Isn't it much more likely that wealthy jewish people, international or not, are just part of a larger class of ruling elites? Who do not wish to "destroy civilization" like some cartoon villain (are you 12?) but are rather just perusing their economic interests, which are aligned to destroy the planet's habitability in the next century or so? People tend to be incentivized to do what makes them the most money, pretty simple

>>The destruction of cultures around the world by mass migration is bad actually sweaty.
Are you weeping for the loss of these cultures in pic rel as well or what? Such a dumb thing to care about, ngl it's giving dimwit

>>2867011
>wow so you just listen to everything some old jew told you? sounds pretty jewish

I didn't say that now, Did I you insufferable cunt? retarded snobs like you are the reason people vote for Zion don and javier milei.

in your larping of a vanguard party that doesn't care for the average person's inclination towards your beliefs, you have alienated people from your movement. that's why capital is raping the planet.

you Retarded larpers need to be purged

>>2867064
Don't listen to vanguard larpers. you and a few other anons' responses actually cleared a lot of the obstacles that were in the way of me moving to the left.

my 2 biggest problems were da joos and the great replacement:

>Da joos will be disempowered alongside capital
>once the exploitation of the global south ends (and disempowered jewery can't push it anymore), people living there will have no reason to move to other countries and ethnically replace the natives.

all in all, Thanks to everyone who explained all of this to me.
Vanguard larpers, Kys

>>2867213
Yeah Marx isn't about ethnic replacement or anything like that. Communism understands that ethnic/cultural systems are byproducts of material conditions, and that obsessing over their preservation is an obsession over second order effects, missing the forest for the trees.

Cultures change drastically over time, naturally. Especially "developed" ones. Immigration is fine in abstract, but having a ton of second class non-citizens, treated as subhumans, influx into your community as slaves to Capital has obvious destabilizing effects, especially when there is a purposeful lack of efforts from the ruling class to integrate those people into the rest of the specific society.

It's not "ethnic replacement", it's survival for everyone, brown or not, being pitted against each other for the sake of the ruling class (finance capital especially).

We're humans. Culture is a fluid adaptation, not a primary phenomenon to hold above the well-being of other humans.