A thread to share of what you think are your controversial opinons and takes, here mine:
- mass immigration is bad overall (I'm not against immigration per se, more like unfiltered immigration is quiet bad in my opinion)
-religion in general are bad, reactionary and backwater, and trying to "fuse" religion and left leaning politics are bound to fail because both doesn't mix well
-"liberal" eugenics is mostly right and should be mass adopted
-China is actually a trying a form of modernize socialism with end goal of becoming a full fledged socialist nation when they exhaust the market-capitalism form of relation in the country
-North Korea is a abomination of socialism
-Supporting Russia is stupid because Putin is nowhere near close to be a support of socialism and progressive politics and is just a form of support imperialist politics by because isn't western somehow is good, it's like supporting japanese imperialism back in the WW 2 era isn't western
Did the chud opinion thread get deleted? That one was basically the same. I guess there have been many others but that one still had a ways to go.
>>2703984>the OP's controversial take I don't like is automatically CHUDOk
>>2703987No, there was literally a thread talking about peoples most chuddiest opinion they have.
>>2703989We all have a inner CHUD inside, like it or not, even the most hardcore progressive leftist will have some very chuddist opinion on something.
>>2703978>North Korea is a abomination of socialismWrong. You should be executed for praising capitulationist market """"""socialism""""" while smearing the DPRK who suffered for decades for the "sin" of not dickriding american imperialism.
>>2704000Ah yes, the country supposedly socialist where they have a hereditary monarchy now poised to pass to a teen girl, very progressive and socialistic indeed.
For me it’s lamb vindaloo
I hate Indians as much as the next guy but they cook a mean lamb
>>2704007>look inside>China was praised>somehow took it was "China Bad"…
>>2704002>monarchyWrong. You know nothing about how the political system of the DPRK works and just repeat CNNslop like the cattle you are. Go buy a labubu to support the market socialism you love so much.
my controversial opinion I have is that imperialism is bad and that its lackeys must be beaten to death.
so controversial that it gets me banned.
>>2704017COPE, DPRKoid, North Korea is bullshit country that just survived by the good will of a actual smart socialist country called China
>>2704023>death penalty HOLY BASED!
>>2704023lumpen-animals must be beaten to death
>>2704029>bullshit countryWrong. The PRC collaborated with american imperialism against the DPRK for decades and the DPRK still stands (and its now finally blooming in terms of quality of life and development), this means both the US and dengist PRC are both paper tigers compared to the DPRK since they couldn't force capitulationist market reforms into it like they did with Vietnam. You are an ignorant dickrider of imperialism aka the highest stage of capitalism, you are an anti-Communist barbarian and you will be executed. Enjoy as the liberal democratic shithole you probably live in decays into fascism while north koreans live happy lives in their towns with plenty of green areas that they earned by having a revolution, something you will never experience.
>>2704058why does the PRC fund and protect the DPRK, then?
>>2704058Absolute state of mentally ill Junchoids, they will literally bend truth and reality just so they don't deal with the fact that DPRK is a paper tiger dependent on an actual smart socialist country, keep coping.
>>2704029>just survived by the good will of a actual smart socialist country called ChinaWrong. China supported sanctions until like 2022.
>>2704068Something like 95% of DPRK trade is from China, so they basically need China to survive.
>>2704061They started having better relationships in the last 15 years because the PRC finally started distancing themselves from the US, which is good. Xi Jinping is not perfect but he is better than those between him and Mao. If the PRC starts moving away from their market economy and return to central planning they will be as good as the DPRK and the USSR under Stalin.
Marxism claims to be materialist but actually does leave out biological factors. We aren’t all the same and the sociological theories of Marxists treat human beings as an interchangeable agent whose behavior is solely determined by external factors like their class. Clearly there is variance within these sociological categorizations and some of it falls out of what Marxist theory would predict. Some people born into bourgeois status are intelligent and of noble moral quality and support socialism, and many proles are beastly and short sighted and would spit in your face if you offered them socialism because they actually love hierarchy and the chance to be above others. This isn’t about race as it was conjured up by colonial times. It’s too individually varied from what I can tell. I just think genetics play a bigger role in shaping a person’s mind than Marxists like to pay attention to.
>>2704075I actually quiet schocked to see a opinion like that here on LeftyPol, you have good insight on how thing actually work, many here deny the role of biology in shape the person in favor of some very orthodox views because many don't like the implication that accepting the biology role on people has
>>2704067Wrong. You are the one coping by calling decades of capitalist reforms and collaboration with american imperialism against socialists "smart socialism".
My hot take is that parents should get a random child from the state children distribution system after the mother gives birth and rests sufficiently long.
>>2704075>It’s too individually varied from what I can tell. If that's the case I don't see how Marxism would change based on what you're saying. Marxist theories about sociology and history are just general descriptors about how large numbers of human beings behave over long periods of time. Even if biological factors are highly influential on the behaviours of individuals, this wouldn't have any implications for Marxism unless they fell along lines and worked in ways that ran contrary to Marxist descriptions.
>>2704075Marxism never left out biological factors. It's you who have an incorrect concept of 'biological factors'.
>>2704088It's called being pragmatic, Juchoid, if China keeping following Mao policy China would be a gigantic empty grave with not actual advances for socialism cause worldwide
>>2704092In one of his work Marx literally says that outside forces is what make man, not the man's inborn nature.
>>2704075>Marxism claims to be materialist but actually does leave out biological factorsWrong. It simply doesn't fall for your midwit nazoid biological determinism.
>>2704095You are a naive moron. Marx looked up to Charles Darwin. English literally wrote 'the part played by Labour in the transition of ape to man'. English literally wrote stuff about the development of 'aryans', 'semites', 'native americans' etc. He literally tries to explain that access to cows and cow milk made semites and aryans to have 'more developed' brains or something like that.
You are a race essentialist, a race reductionist.
Marx and Engels did not essentialise anything. They took into account every aspect (the truth is the whole) of reality and simply recognised that some factors are primary (class) while others, while still important, are secondary or tertiary (race, religion etc).
>>2704093>pragmaticThis word always means anything but communism. If collaborating with american imperialism in the extermination of communists around the world is pragmatic then you can shove your pragmatism up your ass and go back to reddit where you will find more barbarians like you.
>>2704099*Engels , not 'english' lmao
Fucking autocorrect
Noncontroversial opinion:
you should stop posting.
Things are about to get ugly concerning the Jewish population in America
I just want Israel and ziocucks gone (this includes evangelicals).
>>2704125>I just want Israel and ziocucks gone (this includes evangelicals).This is only controversial on /ziopol/ (aka /usapol/).
>>2703978>A thread to share of what you think are your controversial opinions and takes, here mine:DPRK is based and the party really is putting all of its efforts to build and maintain socialism.
fdpd
>>2704091Ah, no, I meant I see too much in-group variance in races to believe it pertains to race. Race as in how Westerners laid it out. I believe you could group people together but more so based on cognitive types that seem to emerge in any ethnic group. I do think this has relevance for the socialist cause because the standpoint of some Marxists whose expectations center around “rational self-interest” of proles to bring about socialism is like hoping for the stars to align. I don’t see much of what Marxists claim this class interest to be and the idea of false consciousness was an easy cop out to not admit that reality doesn’t fit your model. To bring about socialism is simply less likely to succeed with short sighted, selfish, intellectually uncurious, fuck you got mine, people who are bigoted. Meanwhile an intellectually curious person who educates themselves on their own accord, an intelligent person who can understand complex subjects, an empathetic and morally invested person caring about the oppression of others and recognize their part in it is just more likely to support socialism and muster what’s necessary to rally for it. I’ve seen the former in people of bad and good circumstances and I’ve seen the latter in people of bad and good circumstances. There is a genetic part, and it comes with desirable predilections.
>>2703978- People don't have agency and should ideally not be judged as if they do have it. this includes Neo-Nazis, Zionists, Ziggers, the bourg and many many more.
I still do it, though. Because I don't have agency either- It's honestly disgusting how many people hate the romani.
- When it comes to assimilation, there shouldn't be any expectation for it to come from migrants or minorities. except for maybe learning the local languange.
- China will become socialist by 2050, even if the CPC isn't perfect. I don't think the material conditions will allow them to stay capitalist and they've proven that they're able to oversee massive change to society.
- I don't think there are that many people who have a healthy relation identities, whether it be ethical, religious, political, your own or the ones of others.
>>2704069Trade is minuscule compared to other nations. North Korea also completely cut off any trade for five years during Covid, why hasnt it become a shithole like Cuba during this time? Cuba went the market route in the 90s and that completely fucks them now over since they are now completely reliant on the tourism sector which the US can just off. Not too mention that most money was spent on that sector which meant that the rest of the infrastructure has been neglected. North Korea "tried" to go that route, saw that it didnt work, and now they build nukes and houses.
>>2704146noooooo stop developing without capitulationist market reforms nooooo what about the people's stock market nooooo this is le bad this doesnt work nooooo its literally another holodomor nooooo!!!
Both Chinese and Korean forms of socialist construction are valid for their specific conditions and worthy of support :)
>>2704178>ChineseWhen will le productive forces be developed enough?
>>2704237
>coalburner
Did they expand that term to include Indians?
controversial where? on leftypol, in leftist circle, in the mainstream?
Disco Elysium wasn't that good.
>>2704237
Damn those letters are ugly. He should stick to making paint memes instead of graffiti.
Many parents (at least 30 percent) hold some amount of contempt for their children. Half of all births are unplanned and a lot of parents subconsciously believe that their kids are "holding them back"
>>2704321They hold each other back
>>2704335
fr. some 4 year olds vibe is wack yo.
A totalitarian police state is good so long as the laws are okay.
>"liberal" eugenics is mostly right and should be mass adopted
How would that look like, banning chuds, religioncucks and conservapedos from breeding and marrying?
Damn op, you are a real piece of shit, huh?
>>2703978Fascism is retarded but historically progressive and helps build the material base of socialism.
>>2704687>and helps build the material base of socialismSource?
Part of the reason the US hasn't cut off ties to the Zionist Entity is the fear of the ruling class, the leaders on the older side, on psychic interference by Zionist agents on their bodily functions, their lives basically.
>>2704476It's when a liberal winevaunt ceo uses working class womens wombs as incubators
>>2704000>>Wrong. You should be executed for praising capitulationist market This. Dont worry comrade, our day will come, and when it does we shall make no excuses.
>>2704023>>2704040 >>2704067>>2704687Reactionary, all reactionary.
>>2704125For this to occur, the network of colonial power among the 5 eyes nations needs to be completely nullified. The tight bond between Israel and the Five Eyes nations isn't about shadowy control and blackmail; it's structural kinship. Zionism isn't something foreign to these nations at all, it operates on the same settler colonial logic; the loudest support for Israel doesn't simply come from imperialists, it's distinctly from the modern settler-states (5 eyes). Israel and zionism is the latest project of the global white settler and their economic order. In the USA you just don't recognize the machinery when it's been running smoothly for centuries, its violence can be partially buried under layers of institutional legitimacy and carefully orchestrated veils.
Palestine and it's images lays the logic out bare. There, you see the settler state in its raw form, it's earlier stages; the land seizures, the demographic engineering, the legal frameworks designed to disappear indigenous presences while sanctifying settler possession. It's the earliest phase of a process these other states completed ages ago; the same logic exists but in the form of a later stage of the settler colonial project. They protect them, based on common ground and a shared goal; not to mention the geopolitics. Make no mistake if israel's project for the future succeeds, they would have the similar types of developments that the USA had; then you'd eventually see the logic and functions of their apartheid settler state as normalized social order and enforcement. Viola! this is the current logic of AMERIKKKA and the entire existence of 5 eyes.
>>2703978Skyscrapers and tall buildings are excellent, the key to solving the housing crisis, and they are unfairly hated. They allow housing supply to be maximized in the smallest possible space. People who complain that new buildings are expensive don't understand how vacancy chains work. Treating cities as your personal museums is, without irony, a bourgeois mentality and does not differentiate you much from the /pol/tard who shouts EVROPA when he sees a building or city that has not grown in height in 400 years, or the conservative American evangelist who glorifies and worships the single-family home in the middle of nowhere as his golden calf. “Cyberpunk” is simply the result of the solution found by the Japanese government and the rest of East Asia to maximize housing supply as best as possible, and all countries will eventually, due to population pressures and other factors, reach the same conclusion and adopt the same urban model (as a kind of evolutionary filter of civilization). If communist China is not afraid to build skyscrapers, nuclear power plants, and mass public transportation, I don't see why the rest of the socialist parties, socialist organizations, and the anons here should be afraid to do the same.
>>2705151>Skyscrapers and tall buildings are excellent, the key to solving the housing crisisThere are enough possible homes, so that wasn’t the actual problem. Skyscrapers are cool though.
>>2705165>There are enough possible homes, so that wasn't the actual problem.In fact, no, and this surprised me too. Housing construction productivity has been declining since the 1970s in most developed countries, and part of this is due to deindustrialization and neoliberalism, of course, but another factor is height restrictions and local opposition to taller buildings and upzoning in general. New York and San Francisco appear to have a lot of housing if you look at them superficially in photos or videos, but the truth is that they haven't been building much housing relative to demand for a long time.
- it's weird that cuba gets so fetishized so much in leftoid circles but the DPRK is demonized when both countries operate under a very similar system. In fact the DPRK is even more sanctioned but they get almost no solidarity from the western left, only by weirdos
- whoever does not support or at least sympathize with Russia in this conflict right now will be a liberal in a few years
- I'm against the death penalty, there is no argument for it. People who are an incurable danger to society can be put in high security psychiatric wards. Only when no resources can be spared, like in war, should the death penalty be permissible
- gender dysphoria is a real thing, but most people who claim to be trans, especially on the internet just use this as cope for another undiagnosed (or diagnosed) mental illness. I don't mind it tho, the "woke hysteria" was maybe a necessary vehicle to get real acceptance for people who do really have gender dysphoria. Same how the flamboyant guy era was necessary to get gay people accepted etc. - it will fade back to normal
>>2705259>>western left, only by weirdos This is not true.
>>2705259It's because nothing works in Cuba and the Westoid left loves dying children who can do nothing against imperialism (Cuba, Allende's Chile, Venezuela, Palestine, etc.), but hate socialist states that possess the capability of permanently destroying Washington D.C (China, North Korea, Belarus).
>>2705259>cuba gets so fetishized so much in leftoid circles but the DPRK is demonized when both countries operate under a very similar systemcuba despite sanctions had a lot of tourism so it isnt seen as 'closed', and their language is spoken by a lot of people in the world so its harder to just make shit up about them. And culturally they seem a lot less foreign for the west
Being an island and not having endured a genocidal nato war with a vassal US occupied state on half their territory, they're also less militarized which makes them look more sympathetic and less of a threat too
>>2705694oh and I almost forgot, a couple of very charismatics and obviously humanists leaders and a relatively bloodless and romanticized revolution certainly play a role
>>2705259because of orientalism. the DPRK is viewed as stern, cold, serious, weird, belligerent. while Cuba had cigars, rum, mañana culture, women.
A whole lot more of mainstream academia/science/history/technology is cooked by bourgeois interests than you average schizo or communist believes. It's just not flying cars. It's mundane stuff like cures for cancer and technology that makes petroleum obsolete and suppressed history of classless societies.
>>2705259>it's weird that cuba gets so fetishized so much in leftoid circles but the DPRK is demonizedI think the DPRK in part makes it easy to be demonized because of how closed off they are. You can't freely roam around as a tourist, whereas many Westerners visit Cuba and have the run of the place. My aunt has been there so many times and made so many local connections there that she's now actively promoting solidarity events organized by communists, despite being petty bourgeois herself. Cuba also doesn't really engage in the kind of cult of personality around their leaders, or implement any kind of (apparently) hereditary rule. It's much easier to see it as a country in which institutions are more important than individual leaders, and thus it appears much closer to what most socialists envision when they talk about worker's democracy. In other words, the DPRK being so closed off makes it easy to portray them as bizarre and backwards, which is made worse by how some of their political practices appear from the outside. I'm highly sympathetic to them, but even I can't say with any certainty how their politics actually work, whereas the politics of Cuba are far more transparent.
It's hypocritical to hate scientists/academics taking Epstein money but not hate them for taking United States government money.
America is a colony of Israel.
>>2703978>A thread to share of what you think are your controversial opinons and takes, here mine:Feminists dont have enough birthdays
>>2705729I think that's unironically just this. Cuba is le laid-back latinos smocking cigars under palm trees in che guevara shirts. DPRK is le evil troops marching in totalitarian weather. That's all there is to it to the westoid brain
>>2706191There's also the fact that more Americans have lived in cuba even during the blockade. It's culturally more interlinked with the US and the Americas.
>>2704209We will know when it's ready
>>2704294It would've been better if they kept the battle mechanics.
>>2703978I dislike Marxists which go after businesses which produce a valuable product.
I dislike capitalists which go after government because government.
Controversial but fair and true, the above opinion always gets me into people's bad books.
>>2704033The only counterpoint to the death penalty that I've heard of and respect is that courts aren't trustworthy enough to ensure innocent people aren't convicted. Many many news stories of innocent people appealing and overturning life sentences.
For any
extreme antisocial action where responsibility is established with certainty, execute them efficiently. No point wasting more resources. I don't care if you want prolonged 'justice' (torture) against someone who hurt you.
My controversial opinion is that puberty blockers should be mandatory until the age of majority. Prevents teenage pregnancies and delays adolescence until the mind is prepared to logic your way out of hormonal urges. Also, this way it is easier for people to choose non-standard genders.
>>2752017>mandatoryso, 8 billion people will be forced by a global military, and be imprisoned if they dont comply?
>>2752017girls should take puberty blockers so they can remain lolis forever
>>2752021I did say it would be controversial, did I not?
>>2752017Teenage pregnancy has already gone down significantly without that though? It's a big reason theirs a fertility crisis at least in the United States. And I think that's a good thing.
>>2752033but do you not find it extremely inefficient?
There need to be mass re-education of the population. Of everybody even me. A mass cultural revolution if you will. I don't know how it would work or who would it, other than some communist or progressive force, but it needs to happen.
>>2752017>lets just fuck with the natural growth processes of the human body of everyone because we cant be arsed to educate properly or for the benefit of a tiny minority of "non standard" genders (that should have been identified and taken care of way earlier)complete retard
>>2752148>>2752036do you glowies not understand the meaning of controversial?
Kids should not be having sex. People do not desire sex before puberty. Therefore, puberty should be delayed until adulthood.
Indigeneity is ethnonationalist blood-and-soil horseshit. I don't care if you've been fucked over by a dominant group, you don't get special rights to land or political power after emancipation because muh ancestors. Fuck you. Ethnicity is bullshit. You're not better than anyone else.
>>2752177How come I had sex thoughts when I was in kindergarten if people aren't supposed to have sex thoughts before puberty? I remember talking about sex with girls with another horny friend when we were 8 or 9 year olds. I never had sex in the end but I think that's beside the point.
>>2752017Based, when everyone's a transhumanist there will be no transphobia.
>>2752683You're just a gooner, that's why.
>>2752017controversial, retarded and has no basis in reality
>>2752177how the hell do we define "kids"? in most countries 16 year olds are able and often quite willing to have sex, but this would likely be too much for a guy like you, so you'd have to restrict everyone so a few could benefit
>>2703978None of these takes are controversial. They are the most maistream normie takes imaginable.
My opinions:
- Leftists are just turbo liberals and leftist theory doesn't help us solve the problems of capitalism
- Chudism is a logical outcome of industrial capitalism, and chudism is also contaminating the left (which you can see on leftypol)
- Heidegger was better than Marx and fundamental ontology is better than diamat woo woo, but his practical philoosophy is dogshit. We need to use Heidegger to help ground Marx and patch over his crappy ontology.
- Islamists are better than 99% of leftists and represent a genuine but very flawed revolutionary movement which failed in the 2000s because it took the knee in the face of neolib dogshit
Nazis were right about everything, but especially everything about Hebraics.
I just plain don't like trans people. That does not mean that I want them killed or not have rights, I just don't like them and would prefer if I didn't see or hear one for the rest of my life.
The proletariat is a reactionary class, not a revolutionary one. Capitalism collapses all possibilities and revolution becomes impossible the more advanced capitalism becomes.
I don't hate White people
>>That one can simultaneously hold Marxist-leninist tendencies, and support anarchist inspired formations in other regions.
>>Nihilism has a deeper and more direct historical relationship with anti‑capitalist thought than is often acknowledged, across traditions, including Leninism. The association is not exclusive to anarchists.
>>The most based of both Marxist-leninists, and anarchists usually just support people on the merit & dedication of their praxis so you'll get anarchists who praise che, or mao, and then you'll get MLs who love the paris communes history, and the EZLN
>>The CIA’s historical reliance on NGOs as covert instruments of influence funding, shaping, and deploying them to steer opposition movements into harmless channels, is well documented. Viewed through that lens, the contemporary landscape of leftist organizations begins to resemble less a collection of revolutionary parties and more a vast counter‑insurgency architecture of honey‑pots designed to absorb, professionalize, and neutralize genuine anti‑capitalist energy under the guise of NGO professionalism and party aesthetics.
Dialectical materialism is bad
>>2703978CBDCs are based, because they are one step away from destroying banks.
I think dialectial anarchism is one of the best ideologies in recent history.
>>2762415Proudhon was already dialectical
>>2762439Both Marxism and anarchism are rooted in dialectical materialism, but a lot of Leninists seem to think history began with Lenin, whether they do it consciously or not, they end up demagoguing him into the center of their entire worldview. What's funny about this, is it's literal idolizing in a lot of cases, because these people also have no idea that nihilism, a materialist movement, built and shaped Lenin. The approach so many take toward the Russian Revolution and Marxism‑Leninism mirrors the religious attitude toward Christ and his sacrifices. it is fantasy. They expect salvation from ancient dogma, idolize dead men, and spend their time waiting and hoping for an eternal heaven or the workers’ revolution, which surprise, never arrives. They learn nothing from Lenin and his life, they simply want a daddy to get things done for them. The image of him (christ) fills that role for them. This is what weak, controlled people do. People who aren't weak, live their life in such a way that they will become the lenins of their time.
>>2762474>Both Marxism and anarchism are rooted in dialectical materialismFalse.
>>2762501
Please tell me you don’t actually think Marxism Leninism Maoism is the third stage and PPW is universally applicable
>>2762488Let me fix up what I'm saying then. Both Anarchism and Marxism are rooted in Materialism, Dialectics and Hegelian thought. Leninists, and a select few of thinkers do not hold monopoly on these methods of observation.
>>2762504>Please tell me you don’t actually think Marxism Leninism Maoism is the third stage and PPW is universally applicableYou're a social democrat idealist with the aesthetic of a revolutionary. Your end goals include a parliamentary system in the USA so "communists" can get more seats and give workers a bigger slice of the imperialist pie.
>>2762506You either die in the mountains of appalachia kidnapping babies to boil or you're a parlementarist that scam people's time into giving you a comfy job
Hard choices in modern american radicalism
men should be able to get pregnant by women
Freedom of speech is a meme and people should be arrested for wrongthink and either reeducated or killed.
There is nothing wrong with dictatorship per se. A dictatorship that serves the interest of the workers is good.
What makes people like Hitler or Pinochet bad is that they were simps for the bourg, not that they were dictators.
There is also nothing wrong with monarchy for the exact same reason. Democracy is a meme.
>>2762669The pelvis must be re-optimized for our fat brains
>>2762637If you eat your meat fried, they'll tell you to boil it,
Then if you boil it, they'll say it should broil;
If you don't eat meat, and eat only green things,
They'll ask you what's wrong with the brain in your skull.
If you work for wages, you support the rich capitalist,
If you don't work, you're a lumpen to them;
If you play the gamble, of course, you're a gambler,
And if you don't gamble, you never do win.
If you die in your cradle, it's a sad misfortune,
If you live to old age, it's harder and worse;
If you've read the papers, you know it is many
Who take their lives daily when they empty their purse.
There's traders, and trappers, and shippers, and hopers,
Sacco and Vanzetti, in America's fair lands,
There's hoppers and croppers and robbers and dopers,
And millions of folks with just two empty hands.
I see my prediction that leftypol would continue its hitlerite trajectory has been more or less totally correct
Another ML victory in the name of capital! 🎂🎂🎂
Later once again, strasserpol (another leftist win!)
>>2703978But I hate the west, so more migrants means watered down westoid culture
Religion is natural. It's not religions fault Judeo Christians are basically schizo accelerationists basing their world view of a prophecy not even in the Bible. Read it.
Actually we should replace it with reverse eugenics to humble the Amerikkkan encourage the ugliest most handicapped to breed
China is great
North Korea is great
Russia is great
Pic related of having all the correct takes. The most dialectical
>>2762924Unironically yes
The George Floyd goblins shall inherit the Earth. Now see that IS in the Bible
>>2762701female cum is superior, men should be bred silly by the female penis
>>2762921Wow, a retarded religious/pol/tard but brown, never seen this before
Kill yourself retard
>>2762921>Religion is natural. In the sense that it's natural for humans to make up a theory to explain things they don't have empirical proof about it is.
>the Bible. Read it.I've read it and it has its moments but overrated tbh.
>reverse eugenics to humble the Amerikkkan encourage the ugliest most handicapped to breed That's the function of nepotism in capitalism already
>China is great>North Korea is great>Russia is greatThey are Great as in Large administrative zones it is true.
No industrial society will ever be as happy as the Pirahã people.
There are no real communists.
>>2763463None of this is really that controversial. Basic bitch.
only 5,999,999 jews were killed in the holocaust
>>2704170>North Korea also completely cut off any trade for five years during CovidYeah and that caused an economic recession so bad that Kim was getting on national tv and crying and apologizing for failing to hit the 5 year plan targets. Gee it's almost like without trade from China N. Korea's economy immediately implodes.
Iran, Afghanistan, DPRK, and Cuba are the only countries that actually truly fully oppose Israel and America
>>2704023death penalty is not needed. Just do life in prison. Rotting for 50 years in jail until you eat shit and die from old age is far worse mental torture than straight up dying. Death row prisoners get used to the feeling of impending death after a while.
>>2706030>source, pleasethis website
>>2771002>torture is good, execution is badAs I say, you are living by the spirit of injustice
>>2771007to dissuade the reactionaries the most brutal violence must be done upon them, justice is irrelevant since reactionaries do not believe anything besides hating on communists.
>>2771011>justice is irrelevantyou are a danger to society and would ideally be liquidated
>>2771007Both torture and execution are good and just.
faggots are deeply underestimating the US if they don't want to face against drug cartels
>>2770982DPRK is a vassal state of Chyna
Hegel was a shitty writer
>>2771153thats a typical opinion
>>2771165>>2771153That’s not an opinion, it’s a fact, German students studying Hegel typically read the English translation because the native German is so dense and inscrutable
>>2775744>the left should always accept Veterans who atone, especially if the leak shit.agree
too bad there is no left in the US
>>2775752Do you not consider Bernie, Mamdani, AOC+3 and everyone else in the DSA to be Leftists? Because I think that they are only a few kitchen tiles away from being liberals but I still consider them to b3 on the left.
>>2775744I don't think anyone is ever against the ones who properly atone. Never heard anyone say anything bad about Prysner. The problem is 99% never apologize, for example Plaplner
>>2775805>>2775744Also I am tired of the:
>we will need trained soldiers for our insurrectionIt's not fucking happening. Stop with the LARP. The only think good they can do is expose the beast from their insider experience.
>>2775757Bernie is a zionist
Honestly, I've always been 100% pro-gun and absolute free speech. I may be a leftist but I'm anti-government first
>>2775808Okay so are just fucking giving up?
>>2775888No, I just don't preceoccupy myself with wishcasting fantasies about catyclysms and eschatologies and such. Don't worry, you will get older too.
>>2775851In my opinion Bernie is a necessary evil for the time being because he as too much influence, he has acknowledged the genocide but it was too little too late.
>>2703978I would say that my most controversial Dialectical Materialist Marxist-Leninist-Maoist positions are the fact that Global Nuclear War is a Historically Progressive necessity that must happen to allow for a World Maoist PPW to create a Global USSR that will place the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World on the Shining Path to Communism, that the Global Maoist Great Proletariat Cultural Revolution in the future Global USSR will eliminate all vestiges of the Reactionary Superstructure as the International Red Guards bulldoze/burn down all Churches/Mosques/Synagogues/Temples/Pagodas worldwide and arrest all Priests/Ministers/Monks/Nuns/Imams/Rabbis and force them to March through the streets wearing Dunce Caps on their way to the re-education camps where they are re-educated to embrace the Immortal Science of Marxism-Leninism-Maoism (This also happens to all Fascists, Liberals, and Revisionists as well), that the Global Maoist Great Proletariat Cultural Revolution will flatten the Socially Constructed Reactionary Gender Binary, through the International Red Guards forcing all Women to have extremely short hair (Pixie cut or shorter, with a Shaved head being the most Historically Progressive), with all women that violate this having their heads forcibly shaved by Female (mostly Lesbian) International Red Guards and forced to March through the streets wearing Dunce Caps on their way to the re-education camps where they are re-educated to embrace the Immortal Science of Marxism-Leninism-Maoism, and Dresses and Makeup/Lipstick being banned in order to liberate Women from the chains of Bourgeois Femininity/Domesticity, while all Western Business Suits and Traditional Religious Clothing are banned as well with everyone wearing Mandatory Mao Suits, along with my In-depth articulation of the Dialectical Materialist stance on the Biological Concept of Race (ie. Races are the Genetic Clines of various heritable Physical Characteristics (ie. Nasal Index humanphenotypes.net/metrics/nasalindex.html , Cephalic index humanphenotypes.net/metrics/cephalicindex.html , Facial Index humanphenotypes.net/metrics/facialindex.html , Skin Color, Eye Color, Hair Color, etc.) and Autosomal DNA PCR Clusters associated with various geographic populations but it has nothing to do with Intelligence and Schizo Hierarchies like the Nazis and Southern Crackers believed, due to the fact that Intelligence is a Social Construct whose definition changes with each Mode of Production and is thus purely a result of Environmental and Socioeconomic factors with zero Genetic basis) that was accepted in the USSR and Maoist China, as proven by the first 4 In-depth Charts of Autosomal DNA Ancestry Components associated with various Indo-European Ethno-Linguistic groups/subdivisions (ie. Germanic, Slavic, Italic/Romance, Celtic, Baltic, Graeco-Albanian/Balkanic, Armenian, Iranian, Indo-Aryan, etc.) across various Indo-European and Non-Indo-European speaking populations in Europe, West Asia, Central Asia, South Asia, Siberia, and the Americas, in comparison to various Autosomal DNA Ancestry Components associated with Non-Indo-European Ethno-Linguistic groups/subdivisions, along with a Chart of the Autosomal DNA Ancestry Makeup of each of the Indo-European and Non-Indo-European Ethno-Linguistic groups/subdivisions shown in the first 4 Charts, based on the proportion of Indo-European Steppe and Non-Steppe Autosomal DNA Ancestry Components, with all of these charts coming from the same video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FJaTRFojJg of “The History of Indo-European Peoples, Languages and Ancestry from 5000 BC to 2025 AD” that cites 33 Academic articles published on Population Genetics, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️ 💇♀️👩🦲🧬!
>>2775893so how does that reconcile with the people that did live during times like this in human history ? was it all a giant LARP ?
like we had 2 economic crises in 20 years that DID send people in the street to become homeless and shit,and there are still people engaged in real wars on the planet,their new day-to-day life
What do my fellow Comrades think of my “controversial” opinions at
>>2775978 rooted in the Immortal Science of Marxism-Leninism-Maoism, the Highest Stage of Marxism, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️ 💇♀️👩🦲🧬🤔?
I support some austerity measures.
My country has free college ie the state pays if you get in with good grades,but it shouldnt that is we should unironicly cut like 90% of humanities and 40% of stem off this and have those be the mutt pay for college version.
Also staple the degree to the student never let them leave the country untill they paid off what the tax payer invested into them.
This is a transformative social mesure and i would support even the scummiest party if their program included this or would lead to this half privatization of the unis.
>>2792042You trying to transform your country into what exacty, 3th world?
>>2792061me when i lie to suit my anti-american position
How much you are attracted to children is inversely proportional to how much you’re a fascist.
China has an age of consent at 14 whilst that of NK is 15 years, with Cuba being at 12. Most ex-communist countries have ages of consent below 17 years as well, with Russia and Belarus standing out by virtue of being one of the few major countries where CP possession is legal, and then there’s the USSR that didn’t have a formal age of consent, with most Soviet courts taking it to be at puberty, much like Puebla in Mexico.
There is a line from Disco Elysium that is act where the protag asks: "are liberals liberal?" and one of the speakers from a Marxist group in-universe says, "no, they are reactionaries, barely distinguishable from fascists. The only true liberals left call themselves socialists."
Inb4 “the deserter said he doesn’t ally with pederasts of the liberal regime”:
If you challenge the deserter on this and say its as if your talking to a conservative he will readily admit that the party legalized pederasty before taking power and not the liberal regime itself. I was actually surprised/impressed that the developers were aware and chose to draw from this aspect of real world communist history. The deserter will say that pederasty isn't so bad in itself but when the bourgeois engage in sexuality its bourgeois people doing bourgeois things.That matches his worldview but its important to realize the deserter is an old man who lives on the fringes of society and is actively being poisoned by the Insulindian Phasmid which makes him both hyper-sexual and hyper-active at the cost of neurodegeneration, the phasmid's presence is really the only reason he can talk to you and do the things he does to set the game in motion given his advanced cancer.
Indeed, the founder of NAMbLA was a communist, and so was the father of the gay rights movement Harry Hay, who was a pederast in line with how the gay rights movement prior to the 1994 was might as well be pederasts rights movement since pederasty is normative among gays, and used to be the most common form of homosexuality prior to 1994.
But yeah, I do unironically think that pedo-bashing is an exercise in socially training normies into bigotry and thus acts as a gateway to reactionary politics that includes fascism, since pedo-bashing is greatly normalised by the libdem capitalist establishment both because it’s a virtue-signal that costs them nothing, as well as because it serves as a useful way to cajole normgroids into censorship (e.g., the passage of the Online Safety Act 2023) as well as normalise fascistic tendencies, as shown by how leftoids here love to preach against fascism only to turn themselves into one when it comes to pedophilia, thus proving my first point.(Obvious false info in this post)
>>2792070>I do unironically think that pedo-bashing is an exercise in socially training normies into bigotry This is the only thing i agree with
the medical pathologisation of sexuality was first conducted on homosexuals, who were chemically castrated. the same procedure exists but is now redirected.
My Controversial opinion is that Belarus is the only true democracy on earth.
>>2792068yeah and most forms of lynching stopped after the civil rights act, the USA wasn't exactly conducting a mass genocide of black americans, the closest thing i can think of in that time period is the tuscogee sterlization experiment but that's about it, nothing like the holocaust existed in america in the 20th century, as hard as it is for you to believe
CONTROVERSIAL OPINION I HAVE: Zootopia was very fun
>>2792802Zootopia 2 was even better
>>2792803CONTROVERSIAL OPINION I HAVE: i didn't love Zootopia 2 because it felt too similar to the first one and I watched that like 3 months ago and it was very fresh in my mind. Like a lot of plot points and emotional beats were the same.
>>2792803antz is way bettter
>>2792061>more racistAnd how does that matter? It is still good they won.
>>2792070Kill yourself, Baal-worshipping cannibalistic Epsteinite.
universal healthcare would bankrupt the US, since there are so may unhealthy people living there. You can only have healthcare if you deserve it, and America has chosen to kill itself.
I don't like Caleb Maupin but he's right about propaganda by the deed / Years of Lead stuff. That kind of violence is essentially a right-wing phenomenon.
>>2703978We need to legalize drunk driving
>>2703978There is not ever going to be another war like WW2 which was mostly fought over quality agricultural land due to massive population growth and forced labor in agriculture. WW2 was more like the American Civil War, a war driven by wealthy landowners who degraded the soil due to inefficient farming methods.
>>2819532Everyone should have individualized limits on drunk or high driving
>>2819818>>2819532False equivalence. Sex in general is a lot simpler, safer, and less mentally taxing than driving in general. In spite of more children dying via traffic accidents than either ‘p production or CSA, western governments are more likely to crack down on and “wage war” against ‘p and intergen sex more than traffic violators. That should tell you on how the bipartisan “think of da keeds!” pedo panic is just based on BS.
There’s no registry for drunk drivers, homicide perps, and thieves with the same level of inhumane cruel and unusual punishments like the SOR which not only constitutes double jeopardy but also includes residential and travel restrictions not found in any other registry for criminal offences.
Also, if your analogy held water, then Allyn Walker wouldn’t be forced to change universities and fade into obscurity for humanising MAPs, Susan Clancy would have never been forced into fleeing North America over her book showing how trauma over non-forced and non-coerced intergen sex is socially conditioned, Stephen Kershner wouldn’t be subjected to an investigation that lasted longer than the Warren Commission, and the reactionaries would have railed against “Trans drunk drivers” as opposed to “trans child groomers”.
But to give you a lede: Pwrhaps if white heterosexual men weren’t over represented among those convicted for CSOs and drunk driving, societal reactions would be more muted and comparable to how people generally react with thievery and murder despite the former having some of the highest recidivism rates, whilst the latter takes away lives materially, unlike rape.
I should also note that your opposition to MAPs is illogical since it’s an outgrowth of normie reaction formation against rape and the socially constructed disgust against intergen sex that resembles past homophobia.
So I think you’ll be happy to know that, just like not all heterosexual sex is rape, the same goes for age-gap sex as intergenerational intimacy isn’t inherently harmful. Otherwise, how’d you explain the results and conclusion in this summary of a peer-reviewed study?:
https://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/images/Rindbasics.pdf Mass immigration is a tool used to drive down wages
feminism is a tool used to drive down wages
This is a good thread tbh
>>2823108Most leftists do not understand scaling and why discouraging saving is such a damn problem. No we won't all just join a co-op and have the same wage.
The problem isn't that small time folks are able to penny stash and hoard enough wealth to buy a tool kit and a workshop for others to work in, that is neccesary. The issue is when the private interests lobby the central banks and gov to fiddle with the currency to constantly spam stimulate aggregate demand.
Meaning your 20 grand your saving in cash to start a small cafe is losing 3 percent per annum. Hence your pressured to put it into stocks to finance a multinational corp that will buy up all the property. Now when you eventually take the dividends and get a deposit all you can afford to do is rent the cafe.
If you had owned it being a lifetime barista would be well paying and you'd create more than enough jobs for students to justify it. Now instead your barely making ends meat and stiffing the customer, as well as staff by putting the bare minimum amount of people on for each shift to get by.
>>2763287Here's another hot take. Most left wing criticisms of religion are really just criticisms of Christianity.
The emphasis of belief over practical action is such a clear example of this. You'll meet plenty of Jews, Jain's and Hindus who don't even believe in any entity but follow the laws and rituals for the sake of structure. The way ain soph, Allah and Shiva as consciousness explained sound more like describing infinite potential energy in a physics sense than the Christian sky man who dictates suffering meme.
>>2823108If wages went up, landlords would increase rent. High wages means commodities cost more, increasing the cost of social reproduction. The Keynesianism regime collapsed for a reason.
Technological progress will render most modern political debates mere historical trivia. For example, if some minorities really are stupid or violent or if women can't rotate 3D shapes or if men are rape beasts by nature then it doesn't matter because genetic engineering will fix it. Future humans will be engineered to be happy workers, lodging no complaints against the boss. And parents will happily agree so their offspring can get a good education and job. Also the sex wars will end, because there won't be any more sex. Everyone will be a sexless agender worker, biologically modified with cybernetics to fit whatever the job is. And without the concern of sex society can become much more efficient. No need to spend so much electricity on porn. People won't waste hours doing frivolous sex. And maybe they'll invent a pill or injection or something that cures sleep so we don't have to waste 8 hours sitting unproductively.
To start, I'm more than a little cynical about the quality of conversation that'll come from attempting to have this conversation. It isn't an intellectual conversation to other people, it's one where emotions take over and any number of terrible logic and bad arguments are slung. Hopefully here can change my opinion on that. This is a reddit account made for the sake of arguing this position here (and probably elsewhere if nothing productive comes from it here).
I think that children are capable of consenting to sexual contact with adults, and it's actually incredibly harmful to take that right away from them, and a violation of human rights. The normal arguments you hear against it are that the adult is always going to have more power in the relationship so it's inherently abusive, the child isn't ready for sex, developed enough, etc., and that there's too much risk for harm and anyone who isn't traumatized is an exception.
The idea that power dynamics makes a relationship inherently abusive is just outright wrong. Power dynamics only matter if the party with the power exercises it, and laws are an equalizer because they make there be reasons not to exploit power dynamics if empathy and compassion wasn't enough of a reason already. We only extend this idea of power dynamics to sexual situations with children, in all other areas it's actually expected and socially acceptable to exercise power against children (using hierarchy to get them to do what you want, physical punishment as deterrence, lack of consideration for their will, etc.).
Any sort of argument about development and puberty ignores the reason people have sex, people don't have sex just because hormones compelled them to do it, they have it because it's a pleasant and meaningful experience to achieve sexual release and increasingly so if someone you want to be involved is involved to. The idea that children aren't sexual creatures is to say they can't receive pleasure and have positive sexual experiences.
This is probably going to be the meatiest counter-argument that I have. I'll say it bluntly, no scientific evidence that uses unbiased samples (samples that represent the population as a whole) comes to the conclusion that willing sexual participation, or EVEN unwilling, is incredibly traumatic by itself. A study into the most impactful combinations of abuse on a child's happiness, finds that sexual abuse (defined as unwilling) isn't even in the top ten combinations of the most harmful abuse (Ney, Fung, & Wickett, 1994). Countless other studies find that early sexual experiences with adults are incredibly unlikely to cause lasting harm (Rind & Tromovitch, 1997; Rind et Al, 1998; Clancy, 2009) and other studies show that children who are willing participants in sex are statistically identical to the control group when it comes to issues of mental health (Arreola et Al, 2008; Arreola et Al, 2009). There's research that shows that minors who have first time experiences with adults have nearly indistinguishable experiences as minors with peers and adults with adults (Rind & Welter, 2014; Rind & Welter, 2016; Rind, 2017) and a study done of Finnish children that found that children are far more likely to report forced sexual contact than willing because they don't consider the willing sexual contact abuse (Lahtinen, 2018).
I personally see no reason to disallow child from having sexual freedom given all the research (there's more even) and find it immoral to deny them sexual freedom. I hope that having a conversation on a sub about reasonable discussions will bring me some actual solid and impactful evidence/arguments against rather than the usual moralistic squabble and argument avoidance of other places. I want an actual discussion about this and reasons why, in the presence of immense evidence that I believe is contrary, that children shouldn't be allowed to consent to sex, reasons the research is flawed, skewed, biased, or in anyway "junk science", or research that uses non-biased samples (i.e. not samples with a disproportionate amount of clinical patients) and come to the conclusion that sexual contact the child is willingly involved in is going to cause them some kind of lasting harm or problems. Thank you.
>>2703978The UAE is worst then Israel.
>>2823108>muh low wagesHail Lassalle!
>>2703978>-"liberal" eugenics is mostly right and should be mass adopted All you have to do is look at the state of modern agriculture and dog breeding to realize eugenics is a terrible idea, even if you remove the Nazi element from it (which is already a big if).
Genetic diversity, even including genes that are seemingly detrimental, is important for the long-term survival of the species.
>>2827637>pre-1914 3k bolsheviks
>mar 1917 (provisional gov't)80k bolsheviks
>nov 1917 (soviet gov't)240k bolsheviks
>>2827637You are confusing what's desired with what is. Just because workers tolerate it doesn't mean they like it. You are operating exclusively on vibes.
>>2823603Not quite but UAE is still pretty bad and shouldn't exist, yes.
>>2763314First quote is dumb, second quote is slightly more reasonable if you're extremely generous on his definition of "productive labor".
He wasn't right about everything.
He was against public education in Critique of the Gotha Program for example.
>>2827644I hate Israel, but the UAE is a state whre 80% of the population are slaves and their foreign policy consists in actively causing instability to weaken their ennemies, Israel does it too, but the UAE is on another level, Israel takes over the land of its neighbors, but they usually try for more peacefull relation with far away countries (saudi arabia being the obvious exemple) The UAE is also the single reason for the survival of the RSF In Sudan and of the ongoing genocide there, they barely have anything to gain in Sudan but just worsen the world for more opportunity. I just fell like the UAE is the archetypical hypercapitalist nightmare that is just accepted by most, a visit to Dubai should make you publically humiliated, if anyone I knew went to Dubai, or Tel Aviv for that matter, I'd publically insult them and make their life actively worse.
>>2703978Ruraloids, homos and Blacks tend towards fascism because the communists always abandon them and drift into reformism and class collaborationism.
Its called Pop not Soda
>>2823099>>2823600The kids will never fuck you, brotatonator.
>>2828066If that’s the case libtard, why do pedophobes claim that the AoC should exist because minors are just sooooo easy peasy to get laid with? What difference would the AoC make if I don’t have the ability to seduce minors as you say?
Either you or them can be true, not both
>>2792061I don't agree but a funny factoid is that the nazis thought interracial laws of the usa, also known as one drop policies, were too extreme, so while I don't really agree, hitler def was an ameriboo
1.70 to 80 percent of the world have always been, are and will be always be queer, mainly bi. Actually half of people are secretly bi. They don't know it or repress it.
- To free them and to crush the patriarchy we need to force everyone to be queer for anywhere between a month and 5 years.
- True gays and heteros are ~10% of population each.
- There are no gods and ideally (lol) people should be strictly Atheist with a strong anticlerical and antideist bent, but if they need a sky fairy to worship, replace Abrahamism (queerphobic psy-op by desert heebs) with whatever religion the locals followed before.
>>2833091Completely outlandish, you are rightfully shunned here
>>2827641>june 20260 bolsheviks
>>2833091Also no less than 10% of population are trans, NB and genderfluid. We have force everyone to beautiful lady😍🥰 out to find out who feels comfortable and who is a chud incel.
>>2833091>1.70 to 80 percent of the world have always been, are and will be always be queer, mainly bi. Actually half of people are secretly bi. They don't know it or repress it.It's always shocking to me how common sexual solipcism is among bi people, even more so than among straights, you would think it was the opposite but no.
The online left is a liability and the left needs to touch grass and kick out the incels and femcels if they refuse to log off and get black in touch with reality
>>2704163Based
>>2704175Based
>>2752892Based (also philoosophy lmao)
>>2762669Peak based
>>2762766Peakest based
If I had to give a controversial opinion it would be that prostitution needs to be legalized. Idk if that’s controversial or not but I never see it discussed outside of lgbtq/bdsm circles.
>>2833861 (me)
>black in touchI was gonna be mad at autocorrect but this in fact an improvement
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