And with that, the Right Wing ideology has captured the government of everything single South America country, ironically, on the leftern side of the continent.
The only technical standout is Fujimori in Peru, granted she is 40k votes ahead and mathematically locked in, unless the recount reshapes the race entire in the direction of the left, which is mathematically unlikely.
Based, total Social Democracy defeat.
>>2846696>Venezuela>RedYeah, Delcy will tomorrow implement FALGSAC LMAO
Also the map is wrong. Why is French Guyana a bastion of "left wing" is a macronite colony, don't tell lies.
And frankly I can't comment on those rump states on the north of Brazil, one is a socdem Us lapdog (if they weren't Venezuela would munch them) the other one isn't a Trumpian republic?
>>2846722She's sold out to America
>>2846697If anything Uruguay has moved to the left hasn’t it?
Agrentina's most popular party is a trotskyist party and several of those governments are in semi-civil war conditions
>>2846738Lol what cope
>Actually all the countries are moving left! You guys are hopeless no wonder you keep losing
>>2846743>Actually they are all moving leftLmao everyone of you is saying this. So lost
>>2846756That's not what he said
>>2846743Which countries are in semi-civil war conditions?
>>2846808Colombia and Ecuador, Bolivia is on the brink of one.
>>2846810Didn't Colombia have their vote? Seems pretty stable alongside Ecuador. Unless you have details that are not surface level because Bolivia and Venezuela seems more like semi-civil war conditions
>>2846696I assume that a significant portion of this is American rigging.
That is at the very least pretty obviously the case in Bolivia.
Hasn't there been a massive wave of strikes and demonstrations by Bolivian workers and left wing parties? I even saw pictures of massive blockades of highways and such. It seems like they're doing just about everything short of straight up shooting at cops and soldiers.
>>2846817In colombia Massive issues with Cartels and paramillitaries group, regular bombings every few weeks last year you have a massive battle between two far left groups that killed more then a hundred people. Petro is also alleging electipn interferance and rigging by Israel.
In Ecuador it's mostly against Cartels, but there has been a conflict since 2024, with direct american involvement.
>>2846825lmao, hes right about the hitlerite middle class
>>2846825this happens all the time
>>2846825>The worst thing about lifting people from poverty to the middle class is that half of them will turn Hitler immediatelyTRVTHNVKEDDDDDDDDDDD
>>2846807unironcally what did xhe mean by that?
>>2846846>>2846838>>2846835>>2846825>poverty>middle classnon scientific ahistorical libshit mambo jambo
>>2846867said by a middle classer who never saw poverty in his day to day life
anyways, elections in south america are rigged by israel and the average latinx is unironically submissive goyim like pic related who want to be slaves working on the sugar plantations so USAoids can have cheap consoomer goods
>>2846825>The worst thing about lifting people from poverty to the middle class is that half of them will turn Hitler immediatelyDamn, maybe socialism shouldn't be about fixing poverty and be about abolishing commodity production and wage labor, no?
>electoralism in 2026
The same people with Lenin pfps talking about how we need to support the Socdem opportunists. We're never getting that real movement are we?
>>2846873I'm a third world prole
>source on poverty and middle class being real social classes?<here is a screenshot from my fetish siteok
>>2846867Marx complained about the middle class.
<What [Ricardo] forgets to emphasise is the constantly growing number of the middle classes, those who stand between the workman on the one hand and the capitalist and landlord on the other. The middle classes maintain themselves to an ever increasing extent directly out of revenue, they are a burden weighing heavily on the working base and increase the social security and power of the upper ten thousand.https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1863/theories-surplus-value/ch18.htm
<The great mass of so-called “higher grade” workers—such as state officials, military people, artists, doctors, priests, judges, lawyers, etc.—some of whom are not only not productive but in essence destructive, but who know how to appropriate to themselves a very great part of the “material” wealth partly through the sale of their “immaterial” commodities and partly by forcibly imposing the latter on other people—found it not at all pleasant to be relegated economically to the same class as clowns and menial servants and to appear merely as people partaking in the consumption, parasites on the actual producers (or rather agents of production). This was a peculiar profanation precisely of those functions which had hitherto been surrounded with a halo and had enjoyed superstitious veneration. Political economy in its classical period, like the bourgeoisie itself in its parvenu period, adopted a severely critical attitude to the machinery of the State, etc. At a later stage it realised and—as was shown too in practice—learnt from experience that the necessity for the inherited social combination of all these classes, which in part were totally unproductive, arose from its own organisation.https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1863/theories-surplus-value/ch04.htmIf you read Capital Vol 2 Marx anticipated the PMC, a supposed hole in his theory. By chapter 5, he talks about a section of the workers and petty-bourgeois who are recruited as bookkeepers and managers, who watch over the production and circulation process. They don't directly own the means of production, but are tasked with ensuring its exploitative functioning takes place smoothly, and they themselves don't add any value in and of itself, but rather play an important role in increasing the rate of turnover in the circulation of commodities and money-capital, of managing the workers, etc. They're indispensable for capitalist business to take place, its overseers. And the same time, they are merely paid a wage or salary. Nor are they productive in the sense of creating commodities or surplus value, they only accelerate the realization of the value created by workers. But they tend to have relatively better living and work conditions, as well as the university educations necessary for administering and overseeing the collective affairs of a business or bank.
You can read this for a longer treatment:
https://ravenwood42.home.blog/2021/01/21/marxs-conception-of-the-middle-classes-the-petty-bourgeoisie-and-the-peasantry/ >>2846873>Muh povertyMoralism. The most based thing ever said was Bookchin saying to Parenti that he didn't care about the poor chinese children lifted out of poverty (proletarienised)
>>2846827I believe it but devil's advocate hasn't Colombia had decades of this type of violence? Paramilitary and cartels has always been around in Colombia. Is a paramilitary group about to overwhelm the government?
>>2846968I don't think so, but increased polarisation could worsen the conflict, the new president is very extreme on the right, he's likely to break any accord with the paramillitaries.
The entire continent is bourgeois what a stupid fucking sht thread
>>2847061Not sure if it’s appropriate to put Peru as part of the conservative wave as its incumbent president is an independent who used to be a member of various Peruvian leftist parties. Oh, and he is also based AF on the magic age line question:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/feb/19/jose-maria-balcazar-elected-peru-interim-president(Regardless of the law you have a moral obligation not to fuck children) >>2846696>brazil>leftistHe just gives some gibs and calls it a day, it took him 4 years to start defending a reduction of the work scale. He himself said the he was never a leftist.
>>2847062True. I don’t get why American leftists simp for the Latinx left when at most those are just useless parties that mix up performative anti-imperialism with some gesturing towards state welfarism, with most of them ending up being unremarkable or kicked out of office eventually. Plus the pink tide has dragged on for long and it’s getting tired out.
Not to say that there hasn’t been meaningful change. I mean, the last Peronist government in Argentina legalised abortion and put trans quotas in state jobs which persist even under Milei’s regime. And Mexico is doing better than before.
But yeah, in sum, it sucks man.
>>2847076Third worldism is a glow op
>>2847062I want to hug you and tell how heckin valid you are chuddie but I'm not a yt woman so you'll hate it
>>2846696What does the fact that a Fascist, Zionist, MAGA puppet oligarch now rules Colombia mean for the FARC?
Are they going to pick up arms again, do anything about it? I imagine he's going to come after the factions of it that are still fightings.
>>2847076American leftists hate latinos, they call their language backwards.
>>2847092I doubt it considering how unironic anti-Latinx sentiment emerged during Trump’s first term. Even then, most Americans actually love Latin America. Sure, they consider it a shithole, but a shithole they love. The hate is often exaggerated by Chicano race hustlers, no different than the ADL and the zios exaggerating anti-semitism.
In fact, I would say indophobia, Russophobia and Islamophobia are far more prevalent than anti-semitism, anti-black sentiment, and Latinx-phobia.
Hell, even the average American chud loves Latinx folx more than Indian people, and Indians were once considered the model minority on par with Chinese Americans.
>An iron curtain has descended across the continent
>>2847100Yes, considering that you are superior to one's culture and declamoring their language is chauvinism. Show that even among the left there is a sentiment of superiority towards Latinos, reflected in the geolopolitical situation of the United states.
>>2846915how is poverty or the middle class not real you contrarian schizo.
youre the one making the ridiculous claim, prove it
>>2847092 >>2847111the only thing i can think of was radfem types pushing "latinx", i dont know what you're talking about otherwise
>>2847115Latinx wasn't just a radfem type, it was a larger broad left type, and even people on here use it.
As another exemple, see the reaction when Latinos voted for Trump
>>2847117>As another exemple, see the reaction when Latinos voted for Trumpit also happened with blacks voting for trump in higher amounts, but i'm not exactly sure what i'm supposed to feel about someone latino voting for a man who says "i will open unlimited terror on anyone who looks vaguely latino" repeatedly and then get surprised that unlimited terror was visited upon them.
>Latinx wasn't just a radfem type, it was a larger broad left type, and even people on here use it.perhaps part of the issue is that the western left has been massively infiltrated by feminists that need to be purged
>>2847121Idk, anything but calling ICE on their family. You can criticise someone's politics without attacking their race.
Latinx was pushed by more then feminists, but also by LGBT+ activists. If anything, any self respecting radfem would criticise the term because it pins the blame of sexism on language rather then society. Agree that this sort of idpol should be purged out of the left.
>>2847115The funniest thing about the “Latinx” drama is how quick the Latinx were to cry foul over it, lying about it being a dastardly Anglo psyop to subvert their previous (European) language when it was first coined by Latina feminists in the first place:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LatinxAnd the effort was primarily from Latinos and Latinas activists who wanted to make the language more gender-inclusive.
Now, ofc you can criticise it as not acknowledging the fact that the pronunciation “x” is alien in the Spanish and Portuguese languages as shown by how the x in Mexico is omitted in favor of “Meh-hee-co” in Spanish, as well as how it amounts to idealism as changing Spanish grammar rules won’t necessarily affect the material conditions of the enby and trans Latinx it’s supposed to empower. Alternatives like “Latine” do exist to address that.
But pretending that it’s a WASP psyop is just straight up lying.
If anything, most leftists came out against the usage of “Latinx” on the basis of pro-Latino idpol and by using very conservative arguments against any linguistic reform of the Spanish language. Like, what’s wrong with making the Spanish language gender-neutral?
Like, both English and Spanish are the two biggest languages in the Americas as a consequence of European imperialism, so it’s not like you’re changing something that is anymore indigenous to the western hemisphere than English. Besides, languages change all the time, so what’s the deal anyway besides idpol and idealism?
Still, that isn’t evidence of “chauvinism” anymore than criticising the prevalence of FGM in Africa is “chauvinism” despite it being a formal female-led tradition.
>>2847128The article explicitly says it was started in the United states (Puerto Rico)
And that it was only ever adopted and used in the United States.
Languages change over time, sure, but spanish isn't changing to become gender neutral any time soon, 97% of Latinos oppose the term Latinx
No one would ever have had the conversation had English stayed a gendered language, it's purely the work of academics worshipping American culture and of activists denigrating the Latinos that this term has ever rise to prominence.
Finally, Gendered languages aren't worse then non gendered ones, it's chauvinistic and conservative to say as such, not difference from when Cambon, ambassador to London during WW1, believed that French was the only language capable of articulating rational though.
"Person" is feminine in French, does this mean that French people don't view men as human beings ?
>>2847121People always think someone is lower than them and those will suffer the divine retribution and not them, because they're part of the good guys you see, also see "whiter than you Muhammad" rethoric
>>2847130>97% of Latinos (sic) oppose itJust like most Latinos oppose abortion. But I don’t think that social progress should be contingent on the fallacy of popularity, for if that were the case then many revolutions would be impossible as most people are hesitant when it comes to changing the status quo if it jeopardises their welfare.
Now, you can dispute the actual outcomes, but social progressivism in the name of trans and enby rights and feminism as the Spanish and Portuguese languages overwhelmingly favor males over females. I mean, at least that’s the argument in favor of making the languages gender-neutral.
>puerto ricoIn other words, Latinas started it. Pretending that it’s solely an American thing is disingenuous as it implies that Anglo were the only contributors to it when in fact it was Latinas and non-binary’s nd trans Latinx people who initiated it and led the project.
If you’re going to criticise the concept of “Latinx”, then do it whilst acknowledging that Latinos oppose to something that came from their own community as Puerto Rico is part and parcel of Latin America, but please don’t pretend it’s a LatAm vs WASP thing as that’s incredibly disingenuous as it ignores how Latinos and Latinas in the diaspora and in Puerto Rico started it in the first place on the top of contributing it, and it was under their advice that the Democratic Party pushed it in the 2010s.
If you want to be intellectually honest, then you should frame it as an intra-LatAm culture war.
>>2847136"social progress" is a spook
I know guys here are fond of culture war BS, but can we discuss the fact that Venezuela and the southern cones have been the biggest failures for the pink tide?
Neither Gabor nor the Peronistas managed to secure a lasting legacy in terms of pushing their countries to an actual socialist path and even less Gabor who went and go in an unremarkable fashion. At least the Peronistas managed to advance trans rights and abortion liberalisation in Argentina which is more than you can remarkably say considering how abortion is so polarising in LatAm.
Venezuela is even worse since Maduro got warp-speed kidnapped and got replaced by a US puppet and traitor to her country who is still a member of Maduro’s party. If the Bolivarians were serious, they should’ve went down with the kind of war that would’ve made Trump pussy out.
>>2847140So is morality and the climacteric years
>>2847136>Just like most Latinos oppose abortion. But I don’t think that social progress should be contingent on the fallacy of popularity, for if that were the case then many revolutions would be impossible as most people are hesitant when it comes to changing the status quo if it jeopardises their welfare.Thats not how language work, no one is using Latinx now, and no one will ever time soon, sorry you can't adopt descriptivism and then reject it when you don't like it.
>Now, you can dispute the actual outcomes, but social progressivism in the name of trans and enby rights and feminism as the Spanish and Portuguese languages overwhelmingly favor males over females. I mean, at least that’s the argument in favor of making the languages gender-neutral.It doesn't, its just a bunch of words, if anything complicating the language by the addition of a parrallel grammar that isn't used by most people is discriminating for poor, uneducated, immigrants or dyslexic people.
Latin languages neutral being the same as the masculine is a natural evolution from Latin having both as similar.
Again, do French people not view men as "people" because the word is feminine ?
>In other words, Latinas started it. Pretending that it’s solely an American thing is disingenuous as it implies that Anglo were the only contributors to it when in fact it was Latinas and non-binary’s nd trans Latinx people who initiated it and led the project.Puerto Rico is part of the United states of America, and again anglophones are the vast majority of the people using it.
>If you’re going to criticise the concept of “Latinx”, then do it whilst acknowledging that Latinos oppose to something that came from their own community as Puerto Rico is part and parcel of Latin America, but please don’t pretend it’s a LatAm vs WASP thing as that’s incredibly disingenuous as it ignores how Latinos and Latinas in the diaspora and in Puerto Rico started it in the first place on the top of contributing it, and it was under their advice that the Democratic Party pushed it in the 2010s.I've never denied that 3% of Latinos use the term, those latinos are people who hate their own people and glorify the americans. Those who follow suit with them are americans who view themselves as superior to the uncivilised latinos with their backward language., it's the american man's burden, is colonialism also a inter-colonised conflict simply because colonised people collaborated ?
>>2847136Most languages just don't work like English does. I was that dumb woke kid and it was extremely cringe, women just want to be left alone and not bothered with this shit.
>>2847128Puerto Rico is an American colony to this day, moron.
>>2847130who gives a flying fuck about latinx sale pute
talk about something else besides garbage idpol garbage that was barely relevant 5 years ago
>>2847207Litterally the other guy used it first, why are you whining at me.
If you know anything about South American politics is that it constantly alternates between left-wing and right-wing, this isn’t nothing new.
>>2847159LOL you’re such a conservative, pretending languages aren’t socially constructed or that they’re “natural” as if languages aren’t social constructs.
Besides, you’re mountain wall of roja hispanista would have some legs to stand on if it wasn’t for the fact that it’s false. Puerto Rico is culturally part of Latin America as much as Chechnya is culturally west Asian, geography and legal realities be damned.
So you don’t get to dismiss Puerto Ricans as “Americans” when they’re Latinx LOL, a word made by Latin Americans for Latin Americans, contrary to your own denials. That you think they’re “self-hating” for not adhering to reactionary norms says a lot more about your asinine behavior ITT more than anything else, which gets me to my next point:
I’m not taking contention with the view that Latinx as a term is idpol or that it may not fit into Spanish compared to alternatives like Latine, nor that making languages gender-neutral is idealism (although it would be better for all languages to be gender neutral). My contention is you spewing reactionary idpol about this being WASPs vs noble Latinos when it was always an intra-Latinx conflict that LatAm reactionaries spinned to be as “Anglo imperialism”, despite Latina feminists being the ones who coined the term back in 2004 on some journal in the first place.
This denialism of the facts is both funny and sad
>>2847429Puerto ricans are Americans by every definition of it. South Americans don't get the privileges they do at all. No South Americans consider Puerto Rican as their own
>>2847432>They’re Americans cuz they are even doe they speak Spanish and Puerto Rico is part of the Americas, m’kayMost Puerto Ricans speak Spanish, and even today Puerto Rico is closer to latin America than to Vermont. That some Latinx may disagree with it means nothing, especially as most Latinx hate Venezuelans whilst Argentines hate Bolivians and afro-Brazilians for example. Why gatekeep the Latinidad like some autistic Neo-nazi whose definition of white includes contrived stereotypes and intricately vulgar understanding genetics?
This just shows how LatAm is vibes-based. Not surprised considering how Latin America as a concept was invented by napoleonic elites to create geopolitical bloc agains the British empire.
Btw, both Haitians and Quebecois are Latin American, and so are the Chicanos and Puerto Ricans. Or are you going to deny that French isn't a Romance language related to Spanish and Italian? If so, you've got peak idpol brainrot induced by roja hispanista slop.
>>2847458>Unironically using LatinxAbsolute payaso
>>2846696priority number one is kicking France off the continent
>>2847458french people are celtic-germanic. they have more in common with brits and germans than iberians, who have more in common with moroccans and southern italians
Morena still dominates Mexico and Lula will most definitely win again in Brazil, the other countries are irrelevant
>>2847494Morena is a neo-liberal bourgeois shit fest.
>>2847495They just approved universal healthcare in the country, but people like you don't care because you're into Marxist theory as an "intellectual" pursuit and not out of any material interest.
>>2847141>but can we discuss the fact that Venezuela and the southern cones have been the biggest failures for the pink tide?it was just socdems paving the way for reaction as always
>>2846696It's obvious this shit was gonna happen after Iran and Russia stopped AmeriKKKan expansion in Asia. Now they'll do everything in their power to keep control of their backyard.
>>2847429Look at a map, seriously, just look at any normal regular map, and tell me, who owns Puertx Ricx again ?
And again, it doesn't matter who invented the term, Latino was invented by Napoleon III,therefore 97% of Latinos being French Bonapartists seemingly.
And again, no one would be talking about removing gender from gendered langguages if it hasn't been for english doing it naturally. It solely stems from either adoration for american culture by colonised people or ultra chauvinism from anglophones. You are the same as that French diplomat claiming that intelligent thought can only be done in French.
Languages predate society or even humanity, Whales and Dolphins are language.
>>2847509The Usians themselves are on slippery grounds. So their power is easy to pushback against
>>2847483Nope as France is a Latinate country with deep roots in the Roman Empire much the same as Spain, Portugal, Italy and Romania to certain extents. By your logic Italy and Spain are also “Celto-Germanic” due to their countries’ heavy involvement in Central European affairs as well as experiencing prolonged periods of Germanic rule throughout the medieval and early modern era, and Celtic rule prior to the Celts’ displacement by the Romans and Germanics.
>>2847473Is le bad because… why? Are languages supposed to remain the same all the time? Have grammatical rules never changed?
The conservatism here is astounding to say the least.
>>2847541>Look at da map!If you think legal realities trump culture, then you’ve got no right to appeal to cultural relativism and idpol to justify linguistic conservatism, especially since you’re engaging in idpol yourself.
Now, tell me: Is footballer Kylian Mbeppe French or African?
>It solely stems from either adoration for american culture by colonised people or ultra chauvinism from anglophones.Welp, in that case pedophobia and opposition to youth-adult sex solely stems from either adoration for american culture by colonised people or ultra chauvinism from anglophones.
Your logic, not mine, and that case is stronger considering how countries like the Philippines decided to raise their AoC from 12 to 16 solely to appeal to self-hating America-loving Flips.
What you said is just retarded nonetheless. You’ve got no evidence for that besides self-victimhood, plus have you forgotten it was Latinas that coined the term or are you being obtuse?
Latinx people invented it for themselves. That their community disagrees with it is one thing, you trying to portray this as some race war is just dumbfounding, and further proof that the online left too readily accepts victimhood claims by third-worlds.
>Whales and Dolphins are language.No, they’re just types of cetaceans belonging to two different parvorders, there’s no language called ‘Whales’ or ‘Dolphins’
>>2847505Voter fraud by the America-supported lawyer
>>2847141people on leftypol are such idealists its not even funny. so you wanted venezuelans to die for your entertainment?
FWIW for Colombia, PH did expand their seats in the legislative which the other two of the three (Chile/Peru) that was not the case. Not a gain but definitely not a loss there. That isn't even counting the massive voter fraud and buying in Colombia and Peru, both are questioning how the overseas voting works. I suspect a similar bullshit might happen in the West, especially American midterms.
>>2847596>Is le bad because… why? Are languages supposed to remain the same all the time? Have grammatical rules never changed?>The conservatism here is astounding to say the least.<already explained where it came from and cultural imperialist background with only a 3% anglophiles wanting it.Look at Turkish and the reforms there. Nothing conservative about that but it happened naturally and used the pidgin Turkish spoken BY THE PEOPLE and centered the reforms around that. You on the other hand would force the people to speak some sort of Ottoman Turkish that regular Turks cannot comprehend and force it down on everyone because it has Persian and isn't "barbaric".
>Your logic, not mine, and that case is stronger considering how countries like the Philippines decided to raise their AoC from 12 to 16 solely to appeal to self-hating America-loving FlipsThat isn't what happened at all and shows how much you center the gringos. Filipinos did not need the Yanks to do that and did it because those same middle aged Yanks went to the Philippines to exploit that.
>Latinas that coined the term or are you being obtuse?<Gringofied Latinas coined the termAgents of imperialism, that bullshit did not originate in Latin America. Not a single person uses Latinx organically and only the most performative liberals who so happen to align with US interests uses it.
>>2847499>They just approved universal healthcare in the country,I am going to bash your fucking skull against the concrete.
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seguro_Popular >>2847499>but people like you People born and raised in México.
>don't care because you're into Marxist theory as an "intellectual" pursuit and not out of any material interest.Whatever stupid shit you read about Morena in your transhumanist BLM liberal newspaper is wrong and you are a fucking faggot, I am into Marxism because it is my material interest and that is why I want Morena to disappear.
>>2847502there was nothing universal about bismarcks reforms moron
>>2847499>the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie you live under is actually le good you dumb commie brownoidwhy are 85,7% of the posters on this website like this? I swear to god the average leftypoltard these days is physically incapable of doing anything except defending, shilling and making excuses for porky occupied states and parties
>>2847910
Who cares about litterally anything in your para graph
Latinx?
You know there's real problems
Filipino age of consent?
Why does it bother it got raised can't live out your petite epstuje fantasies in the Philippines anymore?
Good
>>2847917because retarded middle class college kids dont understand how shitty life was in latin america before left parties took power and drastically changed everything
we were subsaharan africa levels of bad
>>2847916Mexico has used the Bismarck model and guess what evolved over decades just like Germany based off of that. It is comparable especially since that is your standard
>>2847924>before left parties took power and drastically changed everythingall leftists did was doing capitalism in a non-retarded way, latam is mostly well developed now (thanks to them, as you pointed out), no need to keep defending capitalist parties for free, you dont owe them anything
>>2847933
Kind of hard to do that to a language that has grammatical gender, amigx, but whatever ur a fag.
>>2847596Of course you're a racist pedophile
>>2846696Liberal infighting. Only Cuba and Venezuela are worth fighting for.
>>2847976mf forgot about the pope
>>2847976Colombia should be green. lol why are there so many italian heads of state in latam
this happens like every 4 years who cares? elect an allende or do a cuba/sandinistas and i'll start to gaf
>>2847968Says the transphobic pedophobe
>>2846817>Seems pretty stable alongside Ecuador.Portions of Ecuador are currently under curfew
>>2847839The other guy is a moron for calling what's effectively an institutional merger "universal healthcare". otoh, you need to kill yourself immediately for posting this.
>>2848005No shit I'm a pedophobe
>>2848009We get it, it’s because you’re a jealous old hag. That, or some psycho wignat with mommy issues
>>2848017Idk maybe 99% of humanity are jealous hadg psycho wignat with mommy issues
>>2847834>>2847159>naturallyThusly you threw thy mask, Phrygian cap samebuggerer, for thou is an idpoltard and a falangist to boot.
ALL human languages are socially constructed! Your example with the Turkish reform is by far the worst since it was a top down project by the elite, no less someone who didn’t even stand on a popular election.
Plus, there’s no reason why Spanish can’t be gender neutral unless you really, really hate enbies and trans people.
Even your analogy is garbled since I’m not trying to force Latinx to speak Latin. Toughbeit failson.
>That isn't what happened at allExcept it did and there’s more basis to that than your idpol-rot fairy tale as the scummy USA-funded NGOs did that by collaborating with the self-hating Flips into raising the AoC from 12 to 16 and thus criminalising freedom of love for proletarian men and force brown kids into inceldom to appease the sensibilities of envious old white hags across the Pacific.
Same self-hating Flips also oppose the popular bans on abortion and divorce. Next you’ll tell me that legalising abortion and divorce are “chauvinism”, isn’t that so?
>Gringofied Latinas>Agents of imperialism>latinos are people who hate their own people and glorify the americans.>muh anglophonesCope all you want uyghur, but Latinx, Latine and other gender-neutral terms were invented by Latinas straight outta the Latin American island of Puerto Rico. Saying that Puerto Ricans aren’t Latinx is no different than saying Kylian Mbappe isn’t 100% African. You’re just telling a sorry-ass cope to yourself, everyone with a brain knows you’re full of shit.
You can criticise language reformism on its merit, fine. But pretending that it’s somehow an American psyop against le poor innocent Latinx who can never be reactionary is just pure idpol brainrot.
No wonder you were a wignat, Billy.
>>2847923Real problems like transphobia? I know, that’s what reforming Spanish into a gender-neutral language is about.
Also, fuck you for your anti-white racism.
>>2847966Ok bigot
>>2848027People used to say retarded shit like this here all the time. It was a common talking point for a while despite being false on its face. Guess this is where they got it from.
Twitteroids should not be allowed in society.
>>2848030
Agreed. Online culture is so deranged that even some terminally online leftoids think “Latinx” as a term was invented by WASPs, as opposed to Latinas and Latinos within the feminist and LGBTQ+ movements.
Like, what’s with this reactionary nonsense over culture war slop?
>>2848038>opposed to Latinas and Latinos within the feminist and LGBTQ+ movements.Those Latinos were Usians and did not come from any Latin American country
>>2847976Bruh, Ecuador has the USD as its legal tender, and that happened back when it had an actual leftist president. Plus there’s no Latinx country that doesn’t an extradition treaty with the USA.
The LatAm left sucks ass. And to think boomercons here told me the LatAm left was “demonic” after they saw some clips of pro-choice demonstrators in Argentina.
>>2848045[citation needed]
>>2848048Where is Puerto Rico located in ?
>>2848027>self-hating Filipinos wanted the AoC to 12 to 16 and prevented freedom of love for prole men>freedom of love >freedom to be a pedoYou just revealed yourself gringophile pedo
>>2848049The Caribbeans, duh.
Knowing your bait, I’ll ask a question in turn: Is Edirne a west Asian or southeastern European city?
>>2848053How does opposing a USA-controlled government forcing brown youths into inceldom make me a gringophile?
You do realise much of the lovers of those brown youths are Filipino men, or are you ignorant?
>>2848056Fucking kids is bad actually
>>2848055>in the USAYou are avoiding it lol.
>>2848055Edirne is a south eastern european city ? Europe is a location, latin america is a geopolitical term that explicitly refers to independant countries.
>>2848058Why?
>>2848059Not really, because you’ve yet to demonstrate how does legalisms change material reality. Puerto Rico is historically and culturally part of Latin America. I mean, everyone thinks Kylian Mbappe is African, even French people. But if you were right, then Kylian is a Frenchman even doe no one thinks he is one.
>>2848061Wrong. Edirne is Turkish so by your definition it’s a Middle Eastern city as Turkey geopolitically belongs to the Middle East.
That’s why your play with semantics and selective definitions are just plain dumb.
Puerto Rico isn’t an independent state de jure, still doesn’t negate that it’s Latin American by culture. Same goes for Miami, one of the financial centres of Latin America the region due to Latinx making up the majority in Miami and Florida overall, on the top of its culture.
I know you’re demented and dishonest, but your idpol brainrot is just pathetic.
>>2848061Europe is a geopolitical region too, especially since the post-cold war period leading to a more homogeneised European continent. What are you blabbering about?
>>2848068Puerto Rico has and continues to be a part of the US and its institutions. That includes education which leads to the entire discourse where Latinx comes from and how Gringos look down on the Spanish language as backwards. Also Puerto Rican independence is pretty much dead with only Commonwealth status or statehood being the common belief amongst the Puerto Rican masses. That shows it has successfully been integrated with US institutions
>>2848068>Wrong. Edirne is Turkish so by your definition it’s a Middle Eastern city as Turkey geopolitically belongs to the Middle EastWhat are you even talking about? Turkey geopolitically belongs to Europe and MENA. The Ottoman Empire was a power in both spheres but a lot of attention was on European affairs. So Edirne is obviously Southeastern European city including culturally. No one calls Istanbul a Middle Eastern city. The common line is anything east of that which makes sense. Both Edirne and Istanbul isn't any different than Bosnia or Albania. Also you just pointed out Latin American culture in Miami:the epicenter of gusanos and the CIA headquarters for destabilizing Latin America. Puerto Rico de facto is a part of the US. It's independence movement has been crushed and what replaced it is decades of Gringo education and thinking.
>>2848068>Wrong. Edirne is Turkish so by your definition it’s a Middle Eastern city as Turkey geopolitically belongs to the Middle East.Europe is a geographic concept, it's borders are geographic limits (Urals, Boshphorsus, Gibraltar, Caucasus) Latin america is a purely political one, the border is the border with the USA.
>That’s why your play with semantics and selective definitions are just plain dumb.
>Puerto Rico isn’t an independent state de jure, still doesn’t negate that it’s Latin American by culture. Same goes for Miami, one of the financial centres of Latin America the region due to Latinx making up the majority in Miami and Florida overall, on the top of its culture.They are both american, especially Miami, it has been american since the early XIXth century.
Having an immigrant culture doesn't make the region a part of that culture, Boston isn't a part of Celticism.
Again, you refuse to adress that by far the vast majority of Latinos are opposed to the term, and that by far, most of the usage of it has been made by Americans.
>>2848072While Europe can mean the EU, I meant the geographic Europe.
Unlike Latin America, europe is a geographical concept, you can talk about pre-indo-european europe, you can't talk about precolombian latin america. it doesn't make any sense.
>>2848073>>2848080>>2848101>Be Puerto Rico>Used to be a Spanish colony>Majority mestizo>Spanish is the primary language in everyday life and has more Hispanophones than Costa Rica>Most Latin Americans consider Puerto Ricans part of Latinidad>Leftypol-tards still say nay for arbitrary reasonsY’know, any normie can notice that none of you ever talked to a Latinx IRL, let alone stepwd outside of your mom’s basement
>>2848110I don't see how I can talk to someone who doesn't exist.
>>2848112Transphobic as usual eh, Billy?
>>2848113What are you even talking about ?
>>2847961 i'd rather live in a capitalist country that is well managed by a left wing party (like china) than a neo-colony ruled by ancaps
>>2848073>>2848080Hey, you don’t get to moralise about Americans “looking down” on Spanish when you’re trying to gatekeep Latinidad against Puerto Ricans for failing your dumb purity test.
Puerto Ricans has a lot more in common with Cuba and Costa Rica than it does with Vermont, especially as most Puerto Ricans are mestizo, it shares the commonality of being a former Spanish colony, and has Spanish as its primary language.
Again, by your logic Edirne is Asian because Turkey is an Asian country whose much of the landmass is in Asia and it mostly engages in Asian politics, on the top of being culturally Asian.
That’s why most European don’t see Turkey as European.
And yh, Miami is Latin American, always has been culturally despite the end of formal Spanish rule in Florida, your political disagreements be damned. It’s clear you never visited Miami or Puerto Rico LOL
Just admit it dorks
>>2848101>Europe is a geographic concept, it's borders are geographic limits (Urals, Boshphorsus, Gibraltar, Caucasus) Latin america is a purely political one, the border is the border with the USA.Too bad you’re wrong with your essentialisms. Latin America is a CULTURAL region defined by language and geography, not solely by geopolitics as you’d like to insist with your play with semantics. And geopolitics itself is a social construction, treating it as it isn’t man-made as the concept of human races is really dishonest on your part, although I should expect dishonesty from you by now:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_America
<Latin America (Spanish: América Latina or Latinoamérica; Portuguese: América Latina) is the cultural region of the Americas where Romance languages are predominantly spoken, primarily Spanish and Portuguese.So yes, Puerto Rico is culturally, geographically and linguistically Latin American.
Oh, and you know what? Haiti, French Guiana and Quebec are Latin American too :)
Don’t talk down to experts, boi
>>2848116I mean, it’s pretty clear Alunya refers to Latin Americans with Latinx, and that the term wa pushed by LGBTQ+ Latin Americans.
Not sure what’s your hang up, but if the rumours are true then indeed you’re probably still stuck with a reactionary mentality despite changing from a mentally ill wignat to a mentally ill spignat.
Not surprised considering your hatred for children LOL
Now:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=btPfmWrS6AY I love how this thread on LatAm has been turned into a debate on the purity of Puerto Rico and leftoid moids pissing their pants over Latinx.
Whatever you think of it, you can’t pretend that the culture war over Latinx was anything other an intra-Latino war.
Now that I look deeply at it…
>>2848034>>2848027>sees picsYh, I get it now. X’itter brainrot as usual.
And as a Latina myself: If you think Miami, Nueva Aztlan and Puerto Rico aren’t Latin American, then you know nothing about Latinidad and should STFU
>>2848129Funny, you try to ascribe yourself to linguistic descriptivism, yet you refuse to use the term commonly used to refer to the inhabitants of Latin America. In any case, any serious historian, unlike the idiots on wikipedia's article, who at least have the decency to say "This article contains wording that promotes the subject in a subjective manner without imparting real information. Please remove or replace such wording and instead of making proclamations about a subject's importance, use facts and attribution to demonstrate that importance. (February 2026)" would claim that it was invented by the Second french empire in order to created a geopolitical association between France and Latino countries, it therefore never made any sense for non independant nations, like Québec (funny how you use Latinx, but refuse to use the right name for Québec) or Puertx Ricx. Most experts use "latino" anyway.
>>2848136>>2848137Samefagging is really pathetic
>>2848141Your delusions mean nothing to me. Besides, aren’t you the one cluttering this thread by samefagging to defend the roja hispanista slop you’ve decided to gargle on?
Go vote for Milei you dumb moid
>>2848144I'm not samefagging shit, you're obviously samefagging because any serious individual would take more issue with the pedophile then with me
>>2848141Is Kylian Mbappe French or not?
>>2848147Yes he is, just as Alexandre Dumas was.
Getting back to Colombia, I am actually more optimistic of it and Ecaudor than say Bolivia and Peru because the reigning left wing party didn't put a gun to their head and blew their brains out. Historical Pact and Citizen Revolution gained seats while Boric's Unity lost seats.
>>2848146>Nuh uhLook poser, you’ll never get any female besides your grandma with that attitude. Besides, I can recognise your passive-aggressive safe-edgy style a miles away based on your posting history in the French thread:
>>2848080>>2848053>>2848045>>2847966>>2847923>>2847834>>2847483>>2847432Billy, you ain’t fooling anyone here. Its clear you ever met a Latin American, let alone in the southwest and New Jersey, where most diasporas are recent.
We Latinos value cultural affinity and assimilation more than your autistic obsession with geopolitics. Now go back to your basement and fuck your hand as you always do, moid.
>>2848157
Left also gain seats in the Congress in Peru It's pretty Much 45% left 45% farright and 10% as the centrist kingmakers
>>2848162Every Latino I met hated the term Latinx, tbf I haven't met many in France !
>>2848144Argentinians are so irredeemably sexist and retarded that they would rather choose Milei and and Macri over CFK. Your people deserve to live under him.
>>2848163Yea I guess if you consider Ahora Nación or even Civic Party OBRAS to be as progressive as JPP.
>>2847596french people are celtic germanic (white)
iberians are brown. simple as.
>>2848185Nonsense, go to southern France and tell me the people there aren't latin.
France is hated by nazis because it disproves their whole idea of ethnically pure nations
>>2848128>im a classcuckwe know
>latinx
just shut it down already
i'm currently running a fever and have been for the past week or so and my brain is possibly melting but i sincerely believe latam is the blueprint for the first post-literate society. basically we're way ahead in terms of substandard reading comprehension than the rest of the world, which isn't even that far behind, and the glut of latinamericans basically cannot comprehend shit beyond the very immediate level, which is why they will flock towards the first strongman promising mcdonal, like just vaguely gesturing at whatever aspect that represents the US standard of living, as soon as a left-wing government fails to deliver anything after literally just 4 to 6 years of governance. they believe a strongman can deliver, even as strongman are themselves transparent, embarrassing caricatures. politics are basically over in latam, it's pure vibes now forever.
latam is about to turn into the testing grounds of unironic mcnukes-tier lolbertarianism and y'all talmbout some identity nonsense
>>2848223What the fuck are you trying to say?
>>2848162You do understand you are not speaking for Latinos by defending the use of Latinx right?
>>2848190>Nonsense, go to southern France and tell me the people there aren't latin. the region that recieved millions of spaniards and italians all through out the 19th and early 20th century.
>>2848129You are avoiding that Puerto Rico and its institution is the US. You keep avoiding that fact for a reason lol.
> it mostly engages in Asian politics, on the top of being culturally Asian>culturally AsianIs Albania and Bosnia Asian culturally? Turkish politics centers around the Balkans since Ottoman times. This is unserious from you gringophile pedo.
>>2848226The region is currently being used as a social experiemtn for actually existing anarcho-capitalism and the misery it will bring. Meanwhile, the fine and refined gentlemen of leftypol.org would rather analyze gender-linguistics theory and indentity politics.
>>2848161Peru and Bolivia have the same potential or even much more potential than Colombia and Ecuador
>>2848223That is the scary part. I saw it rising in Brazil apparently. Anarcho-Capitalism is going to turn Latin America into a wasteland when it is done and somehow Socialism will still be blamed
>>2847898Funny how Morena does business with him huh? Morena uses Banco Azteca to provide gibs to people
Stupid fucking retard
>>2848285I'm reporting you because I suspect you're the leftcom retard evading a ban
Mexicanos hijos de la maraca hasta cuando son de izquierda no pueden evitar ser nazis incluso los argentinos son menos reaccionarios. Ojala algun dia algun pais de verdad como Haiti o Cuba colonize mexico y extermine a todos y cada uno de los ultramierdas.
>>2848293The mods will ban you instead because they can't accept that leftcommunism is a right wing ideology used just to wreck and that all leftcom thought needs to be treated like nazism and banned on sight.
>>2848293I am not evading any ban, guess I'll report you for abusing the report system.
>>2848302
Prueba numero 178293781263 de que el leftcom es un hijo de puta que literalmente no tiene ningun interes en la politica y solo le gusta frustrar a otras personas de puro sadismo.
El leftcom cuando señalas que es un tremendo wrecker
>lmao seethe cry mindbroken XD
Wau que troll eres, ya has pensado en hacer gameplays de minecraft???
>>2848294>todo este seethe solo porque un anon no quiere simpiar por un gobierno de izquierda capitalistaxD
>>2848306Todo este seethe por que llevas como un año siendo la escoria de la pagina y siempre que alguien lo señala te pones modo youtuber epic troll a decir "LMAO SEETHE EPIC TROLL!" y los mods no te hacen nada ni a palos, a quien mierda no le frustra? ademas perpetuas esa cultura asquerosa de ver el sadismo como algo admirable y genial, literal la mentalidad de un nazi 2016 que ama a Ben Shapiro por epicamente ownear y hacer enojar a feministas o alguna porqueria de ese tipo.
Alguien me explica como consigo el bug de ser inbaneable o basta solo ser leftcom?
>>2848304Vamos a tratar de tener un argumento constructivo esta vez, ¿Cuál debería de ser mi postura frente a Morena, de manera que lo que opine sobre el regimen burgues socialdemócrata de Morena?
Ojala USA conquiste Mexico por que Morena es liberal asi que seria progresivo que USA esclavizara a todo mexico, tambien ojala Israel conquiste medio oriente por que asi derrotan a la burguesia arabe y el proletariado Israeli gana (o algo asi, cierto?)
Rusia Ukrania? todo mi apoyo a Ukrania y NATO por que Rusia es capitalista asi que es mejor que USA y sus tentaculos ganen… o algo asi.
Ya soy inbaneable?
>>2848309Los mods no banean a los "comunistas de izquierda" porque, aunque los taraditos no quieran aceptarlo, criticar a los gobiernos socialdemócratas desde el Marxismo no es una ofensa baneable.
>>2848311>Vamos a tratar de tener un argumento constructivo esta vezNo, se un poster de calidad de forma minimamente consistente. La mitad de tus posts en la pagina son "LOL SEETHE CRY MINDBROKEN" como si estuvieras grabando un video de epic troll owneando zurdos o algo asi y de pronto te da con hacerte el maduro cuando alguien te lo saca en cara, que conveniente no? que te hace sentirte con el derecho a decidir el tono de un hilo? si a ti te da la gana entonces el hilo se vuelve de shitpost y si te da la gana se pone serio? y si mejor te vas a la mierda y te vuelves un poster menos horrible?
>>2848308amigo simio, el faq de esta página dice lo siguiente:
>The mission of /leftypol/ at leftypol.org is to provide a fun and enjoyable space for the working masses around the world, as an anonymous community of non-sectarian leftists united in common cause against the forces of capitalism, fascism, and liberalism. toda la izquierda de latam calza dentro de "liberalism" por lo cual criticarlos es literalmente el punto de este lugar, si te molesta que haya gente a la izquierda del liberalismo el problema eres tú
>Ojala USA conquiste Mexico
Los EE.UU. ya conquistaron Mexico, Morena es BOG (Burger Occupied Government)
>por que Morena es liberal
Asi es.
>si que seria progresivo que USA esclavizara a todo mexico,
La esclavitud es un periodo anterior al capital, tal vez deberías de leer historia
>tambien ojala Israel conquiste medio oriente por que asi derrotan a la burguesia arabe
Imagen relacionada, moralista.
>y el proletariado Israeli gana
El proletariado jamas se ve beneficiado de las guerras imperialistas, taradito.
>(o algo asi, cierto?)
>o algo
Obsesionado
>Rusia Ukrania? todo mi apoyo a Ukrania y NATO
La economía política no es un partido de futbol, subnormal.
>por que Rusia es capitalista
Correcto
>asi que es mejor que USA y sus tentaculos ganen…
Lee arriba.
>o algo asi.
OBSESSED BRIMSTONE
>Ya soy inbaneable?
no, eres un taradito iletrado que no entiende el marxismo.
>>2848315De nuevo idiota, te estoy dando la oportunidad de convertir este dialogo en algo constructivo en lugar de convertirse en un chisme sobre la relación parasocial que tienes conmigo.
>>2848320>Los EE.UU. ya conquistaron Mexico, Morena es BOG (Burger Occupied Government)nooo nooooooo sólo es BOG cuando los capitalistas de derecha ganan las elecciones cuando ganan los de izquierda esto mágicamente cambia nooooo eres wrecker noooo
do quebecois count as latinx ?
>>2848365
>I’m not going to get lectured on my people’s identity
You think your the only Latino here let alone believing that Latinx is remotely used lmao. Quit talking when you know you don't speak for Latinos
>>2848369
>Puerto Rico is Latin American
As territory of the United States and under its laws and institutions for the past century. It was already explained that Puerto Rico is the most influenced by the Gringos
>>2848379
>>2848373
So you believe a 7 year old can consent?
>>2848255Potential for revolution, yea. But even then that is weak atm. Bolivia didn't even topple its government with the general strike…
Colombia and Ecuador has more in terms of pink tide success and momentum.
>>2846808Colombia has had multiple armed communist guerilla movements since the 60s. Petro himself was in M-19, a defeated guerilla group (that did funny stuff like steal Bolivars sword and give it to Cuba).
FARC disarmed and demobilized a few years ago in peace deals with the Petro government. There are dissident groups but they have very little credibility, very likely effectively cartels at this point (this accusation is used against all of the guerillas and is often just propaganda but in this case some of the dissidents did just openly become cartels), as well as people who were raised in the fight and dont know any other way of living.
ELN is still fighting and active, mostly in Colombia but also on the borders in Venezuela and Ecuador. They formed during the wave of 60s Cuba backed guerilla movements throughout South America, and are unique in that they saw militant support from liberation theology priests early on, so are effectively foco catholic-communists.
>usa electing leftists in Congress
>The global heckin south in latin America electing fascist after fascist the past few years
Your noble savage myth of the pure heckin wholesome global south is bullshit
>Regime changes!!!
No the latin Americans are straight up electing fascist over and over now
Sad
I still have no idea how rightists can exist in Latin America, they don’t get any treats like how Americans do.
>>2848536US Democrats aren’t remotely comparable to the Latin American left. Joe Biden in Brazil would be a member of PSDB which is our centre-right party, maybe AOC and Bernie Sanders could fit in the centre-left PT (Lula’s party).
Then there are democratic socialist parties like PSOL, Marxist-Leninist like PCB/UP and Trotskyist like PSTU which have no equivalent in mainstream US politics.
>>2848545first, what the fuck are you talking about? the average quality of life in latin america is lower than in the US by many standards but its not abysmal. and there are plenty of wealthy landowners all over the continent ranging from quasi-feudal landowners acting more or less the same way they have for the last hundreds of years, making their money off an inheritance exploiting labor of landless peasantry and accumulating more land. there are also plenty of mcmansion finance/insurance/real-estate speculating predators that look and act in a perfectly recognizable way to that same demographic in the suburbs outside of dallas, st. louis, or pittsburgh. there are also plenty of precarious and poor people who are more loyal to their church or their boss than they are to themselves, just as there are in west virginia and nevada. and within the proletariat and peasantry there are strata and subcultures that work for these people, identify with them, and/or yearn to become them or at least to emulate them to the best of their abilities. theres plenty of combinations of false consciousness, stockholm syndrome, cognitive dissonance to cope, in some cases good faith but simply incorrect rational thought, etc etc, probably just the same as the conservatives and reactionaries wherever youre from. in fact in most ways the culture, history, and demographics of the US are much closer to latin america than they are to anywhere in europe. there are very significant differences and meaningful exceptions, but there is also no doubt in my mind that brazil & the US are far more similar to eachother on the whole than either is to anywhere else in the world. latin america is not an alien planet
second, "some people have a lot of treats so theyre spoiled and bad, some people have very few treats so theyre humble and good" is not marxism, it is reflexive populist resentment on a global scale. a cop in sao paulo that lives in a rundown tenement is not suddenly a noble proletarian hero because he makes less money and lives in worse conditions than a worker at a sheet metal plant in munich. you can recognize the relatively greater amount of suffering the paulista cop might endure, and you can sympathize with him more than you would a cop in the first world, but degree of sympathy for suffering is not the determining factor here. and its just bafflingly ignorant to think conservatism and reaction are going to tread this clean line of relative development and standards of living. i guarantee you there are plenty of vicious reactionaries in a port moresby slum. its not the bourgeois of lagos who put burning tires on gays after getting riled up at an evangelical sermon. where and from what class are you from that you somehow think reaction is an exclusive club for the bourgeois?
>>2848223Can’t blame them considering how LatAm has been a shithole regardless of who is in charge. I mean, you’ve got to admit that Argentina under Milei and El Salvador under Arab rule have seen some remarkable improvements.
Now, whether these successes are all part of the boom and bust cycle and with said countries being in the boom part of the cycle, is another matter.
>Argentina under Milei
>remarkable improvements
try to be less obvious
>cause problem
>beg the us to solve it
>they half fix the problem
LION
>>2848559>US Democrats aren’t remotely comparable to the Latin American left. they are basically the same thing lol
>>2848027>there’s no reason why Spanish can’t be gender neutral unless you really, really hate enbies and trans people.wrong. you're taking a key feature of the language, and saying it doesn't matter. the gender binary is a key feature of romantic languages.
also, "they" refers to more than one person. always. no amount of grammatical fandangling can change that.
Also reaction to the Cuban revolution. "If it can happen there…"
>>2848848>we're kind of like a Latin American state that happens to speak Englishit became beyond obvious when the MAGA arc started 10 years ago
>>2848848You get that impression because you live in the Southwest which is the border and funny enough used to be Mexican anyway. The US should be different countries but was able to be maintained as a political entity. Balkanization is more likely than an overthrow similar to what happened to Spanish America upon independence.
>>2848717>>2848801is argentina truly better off nowadays?
anecdotal bs but the only argentinean person I know does art for 1-view vtubers online because the meager USD he gets from them outpaces any entry level or even middle level wage he can get as a college educated person
sounds way more fucked than what I used to know about argentina back in the late 2000s and early 10s but I recognize I may be very uneducated on the matter since I don't live there
>>2848948yeah but im from the northeast and this is my impression as well. the US and Brazil are like alternate history versions of eachother. very different paths of independence, different forms of federalization, etc., but the foundation is very similar.
to varying extents i think this is true of much of the americas. in fact im surprised its not something more readily acknowledged. the "founding fathers" of the US have plenty of counterparts among the 19th century liberal revolutionaries of latin america. bolivar himself has a legacy and cultural import comparable to if george washington and abraham lincoln were the same person. countries of the americas are almost all colonies in which primarily european descended settlers fought wars of independence against their ancestral country, and usually accepted some form of liberalism and republicanism at a time when those ideas were still the cutting edge of radicalism in europe. almost all of these countries struggled long and hard over tensions between a ruling class made up of rural oligarchs of raw material/cash crops and oligarchs of industrial capital and finance in a way that more directly shaped the countries' basic institutions since those institutions were still very young and malleable as compared to the "old world." almost all of them have definitive periods of settling a frontier, characterized by varying extents of genocide and subjugation of native populations. almost all of them were forced to reckon with an agricultural dependence and social cancer of slavery and/or encomienda serfdom. Many saw later influxes of immigration from Europe & Asia. Etc etc, and even where these arent unique to the americas, they all happened rapidly in the hemispheric material-historic ecosystem of 15th to the 20th century.
whatever is especially distinct about the US position in the world now has less to do with fundamentally distinct origins but with the contingencies of its later development that left it poised to become first a world power and then the hegemon. if the articles of confederation had remained in place, if the struggle over slavery kicked off much earlier or later, if the US had never acceeded to the calls for a permanent standing army, if the Louisiana Purchase hadnt been negotiated and westward expansion was slower and more contested, if the US hadnt annexed so much of the mexican frontier, if the US & British Empires relations had never warmed in the 19th century, all of these could have at the very least led to a weaker, more regionally constrained US, if not a Gran Colombia style partition and political stagnation. anything that would have seberely damaged the US historical continuity, economic dynamism, and place within the British Empire commanded global market of the 19th century, could have very plausibly led to a US that was mainly novel in its english language and culture.
the actual odd ones out are much of the carribean, largely remaining under european control for much longer, and somewhere like Canada that just slowly transitioned to a more and more autonomous part of the British empire at more or less the same rate in which British influence slipped.
>>2846738Uruguay has the Communist Party being part of the government. That's why they are not a shithole like the others.
>>2849463brazil was fucked from the start because of the monarchy
>>2849478maybe, but im not so sure. brazil had very little political or economic unity besides being within the portuguese empire. it was very much an archipelago of city-states with their own oligarch elites and extractive periphery. this was also the situation in Gran Colombia and the United States of Central America, where shortly after independence they fractured into smaller countries around those centers of power. one of the first acts of the independent Empire of Brazil was enforcing the unity of the territories under a single brazilian government and would continue to do so throughout his reign, while retaining constitutional government and liberal rights.
he opposed the liberal parties that were advocating for more of what look on paper to be more historically progressive policies, but the expansion of federalism and the priority placed on the rights of landowners resembles the anti-federalists and the jeffersonian democrats in the US (with important difference that the brazilian liberals were anti-slavery), in that they may have been more ideologically consistent liberals, but the full extent of their policies would have likely stalled political unity and economic development.
at the very least i dont think pedro 1 & 2 were reactionary and i think theres a case to be made for the monarchist period being relatively historically progressive
Even a superficial knowledge of the history of Latin America shows that their revolutions were carried out by land owners that served the whole continent to England and later USA on a silver plate. This doomed it to be economically backwards forever. It was a fucked up region from the very beginning.
>>2848717If milei can erase the fucking succdem peronist from the political map it will do argentina a very good service. This fucking crap of a party is no longer good even for the most basic succdem task of achieving some sort of development in the productive forces by rallying the national bourgeoise. They are a dead horse of a party, like this whole pink way god damn circus, mere damage control from what the CIA, IMF & co. has been doing from the 70s onwards, or rather, its weak and controlled mechanical, pendular response to such great misery
>>2849478Bonafacio could have ended slavery within 2 years of independence like he had planned. What stopped him was that brazil adopted a constitutional monarchy instead of continuing absolutism.
>>2849497>monarchism>being historically progressive everleftypol moment
>>2849544Monarchism is just a system of government. Multiple monarchies played a progressive role. You can admit that rather than just having an ideological knee jerk reaction
>>2849546monarchism is a feudal remnant of the previous mode of production. it is by definition regressive compared to all forms of democracy. its fine if you want to be sympathetic to monarchism but don't try to justify it through marxist terminology you clearly dont understand slimebag
>>2849551Napoleon was a monarch but it is agreed that he was historically progressive.
>>2848820Brazil has the Landless Workers’ Movement which is a Marxist mass movement that seizes unproductive land from farmers to give it to the poor. What is the US equivalent?
It’s laughable you think having some succdems winning local elections in New York means the US has an actual left-wing movement.
>>2849553notice how I said 'monarchism' and not 'monarchists'. name a single time the monarchy as an institution played a progressive role, you can't. napoleon ended like six monarchies, in times of revolution even a monarch can play a progressive role, that's the difference. the brazillian monarchy was not that. it was a lead weight on the nation since the beginning
>>2849566>at the very least i dont think pedro 1 & 2 were reactionary and i think theres a case to be made for the monarchist period being relatively historically progressiveWhy are you lashing out about this? It is like saying that the Meiji Restoration wasn't historically progressive. This was the entire point that some monarchies were historically progressive including the monarchial period in Brazil.
>>2849566I can only think of going far back to the so called glorious revolution. Other than that, Napoleon and July monarchy comes to mind.
>>2849568>It is like saying that the Meiji Restoration wasn't historically progressiveit wasn't, unless you consider the Tsarist monarchy industrializing in the middle of and before world war 1 to be historically progressive, in both cases the nations were capitalist with centralized monarchist rulers that held back the further development of capitalism, i.e historically regressive
>>2849577LATAM is a magical place where anything can happen
>>2849577Tsarist Russia was still semi-feudal backwards meanwhile the Meiji Restoration industrialized Japan and transformed into a capitalist empire and defeated Tsarist Russia due to this.
>>2848948>You get that impression because you live in the Southwest which is the border and funny enough used to be Mexican anyway.Yeah and the cultural influence from Mexico. But I think it's deeper than that and also has to do with underling political economy and the social structure. A fairly large chunk of the southeastern part of the state is one giant privately-owned ranch (pic on the right is the main building) owned by what's probably the wealthiest cattle family in history, and they still exist. A friend of mine from the Panhandle (big center for cattle) traveled around South America once and spent a week living on some Argentinian farm and the guys who lived there called him gringo gaucho because he knew how to slit a goat's throat. He was very proud of that.
>Balkanization is more likely than an overthrow similar to what happened to Spanish America upon independence.Eh, maybe historically, but I don't think Balkanization is remotely a possibility anymore but mainly because of economic development and melting down of state / regional cultural differences into tourist attractions.
>>2849618>argies calling someone a gringomust've been somewhere else probably because argies say yankee instead
the argies I know made fucking sure I knew that, otherwise I'd be mixing them up with their "latino brothers" (allegedly derogatory)
>>2848589Thank you for your input, I do not think that "some people have a lot of treats so theyre spoiled and bad, some people have very few treats so theyre humble and good," I am well aware that Treatlerites in the United States are also suffering but they think that they can endure because they still have 36 different flavors of double stiffed Oreos at Trader Joe's which isn't really a thing in Latin America or any of the Global South so I was wondering how Rightwing sentiment still as popular support there since they dont benefit from Unequal exchange the way that American Rightoids do when they eat Chocolate bars harvested by Slave children in the Ivory Coast.
>>2849623Maybe it's a rural thing there.
>>2848481Looking at the state of Venezuela do you believe we will end up with the opposite end of Colombia and Venezuela? By that I mean a revolutionary socialist Colombia vs a stauch pro-US Venezuela
>>2849597>Tsarist Russia was still semi-feudal backwards Lol no, Russia became capitalist the moment France started investing there in the 1860's, Lenin points this out in his first published work 'New Economic Developments in Peasant Life'
>the Meiji Restoration industrialized Japan while keeping it under a feudal monarch, just like the Tsar
>>2849820I don't think france started investing in Russia back then, or not in major ways, they were at war for a large part of the war.
France only started to back Russia as a counter to Germany, in the 1880s
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>second, "some people have a lot of treats so theyre spoiled and bad, some people have very few treats so theyre humble and good" is not marxism, it is reflexive populist resentment on a global scale. Yes. There is no room for authenticity in Marxism.
>>2848948the great thing about capitalism is that it grinds down national distinctions within its own borders. anyone in america can tell you that over the last couple decades each city has lost its individual identity, like with southern accents dying out. it's all the same now because cultural trends hit every city at once, there's really no difference in living between people from san antonio and philly nowadays. this is why i see balkanization unlikely because there's no cultural differences to exploit
>>2849561>Brazil has the Landless Workers’ Movement call me when they coup lula
>>2849964They arent even marxist either lmao. They are also against nationalizing land. They want to break up latifundia to produce a large class small family farms.
They'd go further politically if they went for the nationalization angle. It would also benefit the urban proles.
Another huge problem in LATAM is social movements are led by middle class intelligentsia/PMC or last remenants of peasantry in the hinterland.
>>2849970>They want to break up latifundia to produce a large class small family farms. so they want to create more petite porky like all socdems do? when will leftards learn?
>>2849618The USA south had a very different economic and social structure, much more similar to the LATAM one (plantation and mining economy), than the north USA
>>2848848>and personally think the U.S. left should try to learn more from Latin America if by learning you mean not wasting time with pink-wave-socdem-electoral-jewishuyghury-nonsense as it has been proven to lead nowhere I agree
if its unavoidable at least try to speedrun it
Hot takes:
Inb4 “Reddit LOL”: I’ll take opinions from more worldly redditors that are Latinos over the basement-dwelling dweebs at Leftypol who only ever met “Latinos” online in this niche shithole.
- “Latinx” was a Latino thing, that’s it, those are the facts. Anything else pretending that Soros made it up is just being a seething Latino conspiratard or insufferable “post-leftist” chud who doesn’t want to acknowledge that proud pinko raza-type Latinos can be cringe too, and they don’t need American intervention for that.
- Argentina under Milei, for all of its issues, has done well with curbing inflation and poverty such that now only a third of Argentines are in the poverty line, as opposed to being the majority. Argentina’s problems are many and will take years to solve so Milei can’t handwave everything at once in a second. But no honest man can deny that he is doing a better job with cutting down inflation compared to the Peronistas that have run their country to the ground for centuries and whose biggest accomplishment is legalising abortion and not LARPing as whites. (There’s your answer >>2848978). Argentina is struggling ofc, but it’s better than before. I should also note that Peronistas were also eating up IMF loans too, so what does it say about their quality of policies when Milei is doing better despite keeping up the status quo? I mean, Argentina’s biggest problem is its high wealth inequality, spending that no one in the mainstream will tackle as that would require an actual revolution.
Does anyone know why the average Latino user on X’itter posts like a nastier version of a sharty user, and why do Argentines LARP as Nordics even doe the average Argentino is as white as the average Brazilian and Mexican (i.e., look like a mestizo or castizo, with even the “white” ones being hardly distinguishable from the average Sicilian or Arab)?
>>2850023we like shitposting
>>2850037Yes, because LatAm is a low-autism score post-literate shithole with third-world cultures, which is why all they’ve got are soyjaks.
>>2849970Wouldn't they just end up being like kulaks?
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