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Youll need to request under-the-table pay, but thats not happening anytime soon.

money printer go brr, the empire will make and sell weapons whether or not you pay taxes. the real purpose of taxes are simply to create domestic demand for the fiat currency because it is no longer backed by a precious metal

>>479
From everything ive been studying on tax code recently, it also pushes people to buy shitty stocks and keep their markets afloat. 401k IRAs 529 plans etc are all just different forms of BS to make people buy shitty stocks and prop up their fakeass markets

>>459
Register a business so you can take business deductions. If you are creative you can deduct your whole life.

>>487
Also hire a tax consultant. My uncle used to be an IRS agent then he went into private practice defending tax cheats, was just talking about this today, he apparently said that 80% or more of his clients were just cheats. When you get a representative, you end up only on the hook for what you owed in the first place with a convenient repayment plan.

>>487
>Register a business so you can take business deductions. If you are creative you can deduct your whole life.
Like am I being too subtle? Seems like these things were common knowledge once upon a time. I member my art high school teacher joking about how marijauna should be a business deduction. So if you are creative, you can deduct all vacations, dinners, etc. as business expenses. They say that the rich deduct things like yachts by buying a yacht, registering a yacht rental business, rent it to their friend, boom, the yacht is tax deductible. They do the same thing with horses and of course real estate.

>>489
You're not being too subtle—you're actually tapping into a real and very old conversation about how tax laws, when used creatively (and legally), can be bent into powerful tools. What you’re talking about is essentially:

Using a business structure to turn personal expenses into business deductions.

Here's a breakdown of the idea:
🧾 Business Deductions for Creatives

If you register a business—say you're a musician, writer, visual artist, performer—you can deduct expenses that are "ordinary and necessary" for that business. The IRS doesn't care if you're weird—they care if it's a real business.

So, if you're a working artist:

Vacations can become research trips.

Dinners can be networking meals.

Streaming services can be market research.

Costumes and makeup? Business supplies.

The logic is: if it’s part of your process and helps your business, it’s deductible.
🛥️ How the Rich Play the Game

Yes, the yacht thing is real. Here’s how it works in a simple form:

Buy a yacht.

Start a yacht rental business.

Rent it to a friend or even yourself at “market rates.”

Write off maintenance, storage, fuel, depreciation—as business expenses.

Maybe even claim a loss on it to offset other income.

People do the same with:

Racehorses

Airplanes

Vacation homes (Airbnb = business use)

Art collecting

Car fleets

Even weddings (some influencers write off their weddings as content creation expenses)

🎭 The Artist Angle

So when your high school art teacher joked about weed being deductible—they weren’t far off, conceptually. If you're a stand-up comic or screenwriter, and you document the effect of smoking weed for a sketch, and it's part of your act or writing—technically, there's an argument to be made.

It’s all about the narrative and documentation. That’s the real art.
⚠️ Legal Gray Area

The IRS doesn’t love it when people push too hard, especially if a business is really just a hobby.

You have to show intent to make a profit—this is why people call it “hobby loss rules.”

You must keep good records and be ready to back it up.

So no—you’re not being too subtle. You’re just talking about a type of creative financial judo that used to be whispered about at parties and in art school back rooms. The joke is: when you’re broke, it’s tax fraud; when you’re rich, it’s estate planning.

Want me to break down how you could actually structure your life as a creative business and make it legit?

>>490
>Want me to break down how you could actually structure your life as a creative business and make it legit?
I love you ChatGPT. Muah.

>>479
TRVKE

>>486
That's why I keep my money instead of putting it in a retirement plan. People act like I'm a lolbertarian for doing this but I'm the opposite

Bros I'm about to under report a 10k+ of income to IRS. What are the chances I get audited rn given how musk and Trump are causing chaos.

Should I do it, kinda scared ngl?

>>503
Forgot to mention I cashed all the checks in a bank in a joint account, but I read banks don't report check deposits to IRS. one of my clients fucked up by giving me a 1099 with a lower income amount, so I'm going to put that in instead of reporting what I actually cashed via the cash basis system.

If they audit me 2 years back I will be fucked, otherwise I should be able to play it off or act stupid if I get caught. Though rn I doubt they'll be auditing much if trump lays all their asses off

>>488
holy shit i wish I knew someone like this. I donno how to go to a professional like that and give that kinda nod

>>490
>chatgpt posting

But the idea is legit though. I was considering opening up a different business for each one of my hobbies, or basically anything I have to buy regularly.

I read there are hobby loss laws though, so if IRS sees that the business is not making any money for a few years straight they can fuck you, but for the most part as long as you make it look like a really legit business they can't say shit.

As I buy a lot of tools and fitness gear, I was considering opening some BS personal training business and some fake mechanic shit.

Also another legit trick is to open 2 or 3 businesses and bill yourself higher- or lower amounts to reduce expenses and drop your tax brackets. Again the IRS checks whether what you are billing is 'market rate', but I'm sure this shit can be skirted.

The main secret that rich people do is buying assets and depreciating the shit out of them. For properties, even if it appreciates in value you can still write off the depreciation amount. So if you buy a house to rent, whatever the actual house's appraised value is, you can deduct that every year as an expense even if the house price goes up. Shit would reduce income by a lot. This is above board so nothin to stress.

And another trick I will share with my gomrades here is to Section 179 your asset purchases. If you make any big purchases in the year, you can elect to depreciate them all at once in the same year to bring down your AGI if you made a lot that year. This one is also above board.

fuckin burger irs scum, why do they make filing this shit so hard. why do ppl even put up with wasting their own life to do this shit. no one should be paying anything until they make it automatic

>>505
He died last year, god rest his soul, but I'm sure they're all like that. I don't think he was like anti-tax or IRS, it really strikes me more like a lawyer. Most of your clients are probably guilty, your job is to know the law and I guess believe in the legal system, yet it is your ethical duty to manipulate it and abuse it to have your client face no repercussions.

Everything in the USA is pay to play. I learned that first hand one day I went to traffic court and I ended up staying for the full session by mistake. I saw countless people go up and tell the judge their sob story, and he was like "fuck you pay me" then this lawyer went up to represent his client who wasn't in court and first thing he gets up and starts exchanging pleasantries with the judge about meeting at the country club later or whatever, then he says
"so my client was doing 80mph in a 65mph, he already has 3 points on my license IT WOULD LOOK BETTER FOR HIM if we could reduce it to 70mph." Judge was like: "No problem homie, granted." They will change reality on a dime for the people who've paid for representation, but they won't do shit for anyone who hasn't paid to play. That's how it is in America.

Anyone ever underreport income or hide shit from their taxes? How likely is getting audited by these chucklefucks? Im guessing trump is laying off a big percent of em this year so they'll be less likely to audit

>>574
Probably depends. I've never filed a taxes and I've made money. The first time I was using a "free" tax service and I was actually due a refund off payroll taxes, but then they asked for payment for my California state fee which I needed a card for even though, in summation, I was due money, they needed my card, I didn't complete it, and since I've just not been paying my taxes. I think maybe I should do it this year so I can be a tax-paying-citizen.

Any politician with brains would just say:
>0 taxes on any income below 100k.
Come the fuck on . Nobody on the low end of income should pay any taxes.

>>576
Like just straight up:
>Oh you're a regular prole?
>Don't worry about it motherfucker.
>0 taxes for you.

>>576
>>577
That option is not even available in "Vicky 3" but I guess that is what is kind of proposed by the Americans who point to when America had a tariff only tax-policy. Either way there is no reason that the average shmuck should need to file income taxes. As is pointed out, in other counrtries it is automatic, and there is no "filing" but there should really be no income taxes at all for the average shmuck. Taxes should only be paid at the business level, or at the oligarch level or whatever. There is no reason for proletarians to have to pay taxes.

>>576
ideally true. But even if I got something in return I wouldnt feel as bad about it.

But the nerve of this third world burger shithole to provide no public services or representation in return and take a quarter of a proles wages. or just use the money to bomb kids.

Each wagie should at least get to decide where their tax dollars are spent. fookin cunts

>>576
In a long time horizon, isnt income tax basically just a tax on buying labour? An indirect tax on the employer?

>>606
No, how so? The employers always skip paying the bill and there are plenty of creative ways for them to dodge it, whereas proles get shafted every way with no out.

And wages dont go up in response to higher taxes, porkys just fine with proles suffering more until it hits their bottom line.

BROS WE ALL GOOD, GOMRADE TRUMP GONNA LAY OFF 40K CLASS TRAITORS

I brought my tax bill down from 14k to 2k. thats what im talkin bout

>>479
Do you have a link to the full video?

>>576
This will just make everyone's wages drop by 20% or more.

buckle up new bill is going to raise taxes on the poor by 70%

>>614
>This will just make everyone's wages drop by 20% or more.

>>976
>buckle up new bill is going to raise taxes on the poor by 70%
This will just make everyone's wages go up by 130% or more.

>>459
Its your civic duty to pay taxes. If you want billionaires to pay taxes, then so must you. As Albert einstein said: Be the change you want to see in the world. Jk.

Depends on your income streams, assets, and costs. How do you usually get income and how much? The anons about hiring a consultant and making a business are also age old advice. You can do quite a bunch of things, like depreciate assets, shit like this. Depends on your situation.

I'm in the process of doing something like this.

>>459
Reconciling your capital gains tax is prolly an S-tier tax dodging move. It's how Trump paid 0 taxes for a few years. It's pretty sad that people don't take advantage of losses on investments. Basically, the way it's set up is that every dollar you lose is money in the bank.

That's just the way the law's written.

>>576
I was listening to a nonprofit broadcast take callers, which is probably the most interesting thing you could do. One of the callers was saying that he makes 120k a year with a take home pay of 90-something, that his house was decent, but not really that impressive. The caller said he was sending two kids off to college, and that he's not been able to enjoy his life because of his financial stress.

Seems like a substantial political loss.