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Being into femboys doesn‘t make a man gay or bisexual. This may sound like a cope to avoid admitting to being either, but think about it.

Men who are into femboys are usually men who are also into women. And what they are into in femboys is a heteronormative presentation of femininity. Such men are usually not into men who look like men. One could then argue this is a preference, but a preference would mean that they are still into men but merely prefer this type of man. This isn‘t the case for men who into femboys though. Of all the people who are male they aren‘t turned on by any of them except femboys. So it‘s not a preference, it‘s exclusivity. Finally, men who are into femboys are generally not interested in sucking dick or being fucked in the ass.

We either conclude that 1) this is bisexuality but a very, very limited form of it with peculiarities that make it distinct from ordinary bisexuals who are attracted to average men, or 2) it is heterosexuality, but a redefined version whose basis isn‘t biology but certain signifiers and presentation, or 3) these men are standard heterosexuals but given enough female elements the gullible human brain mistakes it for a woman and lights up the horny center of the male brain. Evolution did not foresee cute, horny femboys and therefore didn‘t exclude it as a pointless mating option.
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I am a gay femboy and im attracted to other femboys. Ive never once in my life been attracted to woman. Also, most femboys do not look like the perfect popular ones online who look indistinguishable from a woman

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>>5090
>words words words
It's a lot more simple than that. Femboys have high estrogen. The purpose of high estrogen is to attract men. Therefore, attraction to femboys and attraction to women are the same attraction.
The idea that attraction is derived from genitals rather than hormone balances is a relatively new and largely nonsensical concept, given that people don't spend most of their lives with their genitals on display.

If butches are lesbian, femboys are gay.

That image is hot

>>5090
Yeah, well femboys wouldn't really exist in nature unless they're young teens or literal children, like shaved body hair and (makeup), but you could say it's gay frauding just like how women use makeup to fraud their beauty, but for gay men.



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Looking online, it might seem that way. But maybe it's just a couple percent of mentally ill sadists who scream louder than everyone else? As I recall from school (I've been NEET for a long time now and don't have any relevant personal experience), only 30% of students were bullies; the rest either did nothing or indulged them, but without much motivation.
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>>8634
The best time to do my HRT is 20 years ago, the second best time is today

>>8632
Just because they werent outright bullies doesnt mean they arent pieces of shit. The vast majority of normies will still socially isolate and avoid any gay or trans person. Normies are genuinely evil scum

>>8632
>Looking online, it might seem that way.
Looking on centralized social media*
If you got off twitter and touched digital grass instead, as both "normies" and "non-normies" do, then you'll see otherwise.
Like you're going to the transphobia factory and being surprised there's transphobia there.

>>8634
Poor girl, puberty blockers would've definitely saved her. But not everyone experiences puberty the same way, that's why I said probably, some trans women really get fucked by male puberty. In my case, I looked like a gay twink when I was 18.

>>8636
Normies discriminate against each other more than they do against minorities



 

I put "allies" in quotation marks because "ally" can range from someone who actually empathizes with us, to those whose sympathy rests on being in one political camp instead of the other and who, in fact, makes the situation worse, in ways that should be obvious to them (IE Agent Kochinski, QueerKidsStuff, the blyat that made the genderbreadman/GenderUnicorn that was everywhere when I was in middle school)

As much as it is more or less trve, stop saying "Trans women have female brains w/ male bodies" or anything of the sort.

It is far more accurate to specify that we have qualitatively female brains whereas our brains are more androgynous or like neither sex on a quantitative level; the former is less dependent on receiving HRT as well.
To do otherwise is extremely misleading, and will turn people off from the movement.

>Studies showing that trans women show the same patterns as cis women, at least compared to trans men/cis men respectively (IE Trans women score higher on ECS compared to trans men, with overall difference compared to cis counterparts better explained by neurodivergence or environment)

Nobili, A., Glazebrook, C., Bouman, W.P. et al. Autistic Traits in Treatment-Seeking Transgender Adults. J Autism Dev Disord 48, 3984–3994 (2018). https://doi.org/10.1007/s10803-018-3557-2
Spies, M et al. “Gender transition affects neural correlates of empathy: A resting state functional connectivity study with ultra high-field 7T MR imaging.” NeuroImage vol. 138 (2016): 257-265. doi:10.1016/j.neuroimage.2016.05.060
Soleman, Remi S et al. “Sex differences in verbal fluency during adolescence: a functional magnetic resonance imaging study in gender dysphoric and control boys and girls.” The journal of sexual medicine vol. 10,8 (2013): 1969-77. doi:10.1111/jsm.12083

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Kevrekidis, P., Skapinakis, P., Damigos, D., & Mavreas, V. (2008). Adaptation of the Emotional Contagion Scale (ECS) and gender differences within the Greek cultural context. Annals of General Psychiatry, 7, Article 14. https://doi.org/10.1186/1744-859X-7-14
Shirayama Y, Matsumoto K, Hamatani S, Muneoka K, Okada A, Sato K. Associations among autistic traitsPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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>>8586
so stop saying communism is just spicy liberalism idiot

>>8622
that is not what those words mean idiot

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>>8630
What does the socks mean

I can’t claim to know the inner mechanisms of the trans mind, if they wanna do the body mods it’s their choice as it’s their body, simple as



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Ive always wished I was a girl, and I have been knowledgable that im most likely trans for awhile now. The problem is that I cant just "become" a girl.

Of course i know theres hrt, but that doesnt account for my brain. My brain still thinks of myself as a man. I still act like a man. Im still male socialized. How do I become a girl mentally?
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>>3932
>They can’t get girl dress so they just lay into the most extreme feminine depictions they see on TV?
Maybe, I don't really know what most other trans women typically dress like though since I dont know any others irl. But I would probably wear something a bit sltty if it werent for the fact that my body isnt good-looking enough to pull it off. But thanks for the advice to my other post

>>3731 shame that all foids are normies. I am a passoid though.

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I once prayed to be a girl to god as a child. decades later, in what felt like a blink, I became more that a girl. Bitch I became a full on woman!

>>3727
Idk maybe just act like your ideal girlfriend instead of trying to grasp 'woman essence'.

idk man if i looked and was female id probably be a girl but im not so im male forever
plus like it's a life of celibacy pretty much since sexuality is about sex so you're only really your biological sex in the bedroom, still worth it though just take your meds and socialize with women in a way where they dont get the opportunity to treat you as a gay pet or anything, basically just lurk a lot and then you can talk later maybe
also start voicetraining because you can talk to people online and get free female socialization



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repression general - "its over" edition

finally i can stop using 4chan now that this board exists
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Didn't kill myself, wasted several years of my life and going to university late. Going to be in an all-male flat. I really can't believe this is all there is to life

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im in my 30s and poor so its late AND over for me. gonna remain a cis straight faggot the rest of my life ig

>>8556
That is a choice

>>674
This picture makes me uncomfortable.

Neonazis forced me to rep. If I hadn't been psyopped by YWNBAW, I would have transhumanist out at 14 instead of 16. Of course, 16 wasn't bad, but those two years cost me 10 cm in height.



 

What are good careers for Canadian transhumanists with delayed sleep phase disorder? I need to make $$$ if I’m ever going to afford FFS.
>The body was too short or empty.

find political longshots on kalshi and put down 100 birdbucks or whatever u beaver people have up there. the world is broken now. careers are a joke.

>>8388
Night shift or work from home or gig jobs like food delivery?

Work the Mail. Join the Union.

t. a trans girl working the mail for the same reason



 

>want to learn makeup to fix my ugly masculine face
>have to research and buy an overwhelming fuckton of different makeup products
>realize i have to do skincare and fix my acne before learning makeup
>have to go to dermatologist to get recommended a skincare routine
>says it might not even work for me and it will takes months to tell
>cant even do the skincare routine consistently because of how depressed i am
>mfw its been 4 days since i last used any skincare products

Ill never be able to fix my acne, ill never be able to learn makeup. My face will always be ugly gross and masculine. Ill never be able to be a pretty femboy.
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>>8610
Oh I thought it was free! $400 is not actually what it costs though, like I have a £60 vial once a year and thats my entire costs.

>>8610
uh if ur american and dont have a job u get medicaid and then they pay for it?

>>8610
>i see it as a lesser-evil to twink death
rather than peter panning so hard you're willing to take cross-sex hormones you should probably just realize all this is a normal part of growing up

>>8610
>because i see it as a lesser-evil to twink death
"Twink death" as its talked about online is basically a myth. Sure, as you get older you'll get some wrinkles, your metabolism will slow, you might gain weight, etc. These changes will occur gradually and at some point you'll probably no longer fit the description of a "twink" (although this can happen a lot later than you think, I've known cute twinky guys in their late 30s). But it's not like you'll turn 25 and get zapped with a ray that instantly turns you into Homer Simpson. It's just aging and its inevitable. Estrogen won't stop it apart from maybe improving your skin a bit and combating hair loss, but that can be achieved with a good skincare routine and anti-alopecia drugs. Plus around 50% of men don't exhibit male pattern baldness anyway, and those that do typically don't start experiencing it until middle age. The point is you're freaking out over something that's A) not nearly as bad as you're imagining, especially if you take good care of yourself wrt diet, exercise, hygiene, and skincare, and B) is inevitable and can at best be slowed down a bit. Stop worrying about it, just enjoy your youth, live in the moment. Otherwise you'll be miserable before you start to get old, and be even more miserable after. It definitely isn't worth fucking with your hormones and potentially permanently altering your body over.

unless of course theyre in denial



 

I'm sorry I'm not a good aspiring faggotran im sorry I'm not a good retard
I'm sorry I dont have interests or fixations or hopes or aspirations
I'm sorry I sit around burning my wrists with ciggerettes and doomscrolling 4chan, rotting my brain cells
I'm sorry I don't try.
I'm sorry I hide so much from all these people that have dedicated themselves to keeping me alive
I'm sorry I'm not helping them back.
I promise I will
I promise I will get a job before I commit,
I promise I will impress all these fuckers and buy them pipes and fuck them in the ass if they want to
But i know ill never get better

Why are you sorry? Your life is uniquely yours. Dont apologize for existing, thats cringe. We all have maladaptive coping mechanisms but it doesn't define us. We’re all just humans having a human experience. I wont tell you “its gonna be ok,” but just know that your life is your own and your choices define it

>>8487
Stop using 4chan.

>>8487
>I promise I will impress all these fuckers

And theres your problem. You owe nobody anything. Stop living for others.



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for context: i'm a boymoder, i've been on diy for a while now with great results so far. voice is my biggest source of dysphoria but i'm doing what i can to work on it. i pass to strangers, my voice passes depending on how i'm feeling. i'm not out to anyone though.

whereever i go, i feel strange. i've never talked to anyone about anything trans related. i've just quietly observed how people treat me, treat eachother and how they talk behind eachothers backs. there isn't a single person i've meet that's been understanding and honest.

people are either ignorant / straight up hateful or they will lie about everything. every so-called "ally" only sexualizes and fetishizes trans people.

>the few trans people i've met only ever sexualize themselves

>women will treat me like a fag (and sexualize me)
>specifically young lib / LGB women expect me to somehow like that and will have no problem outing me in front of random strangers, talk about how my appearance has changed since they've first met me, ask me at my workplace wether or not i am trans (in front of literally everybody…)
>old people will do their best to pretend i'm normal and just not even acknowledge the fact i have giant boobs (which is honestly sometimes preferable to the young women i've mentioned before, except when they loudly scream SIR NOTSODEADNAME a trillion times and out me to everyone)
>young men honestly seem the most welcoming, they just treat me like a normal human being (i only ever want to have real social interactions with men for that very reason), but of course you'll notice their porn-induced brain damage pretty quick.

not even the people offering trans care have a single clue.
i got my blood drawn a while ago at a place a lot of diying transhumanists go to get their labs. i could literally hear the staff make fun of me in another room while i was waiting.

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>>8616
Please don't take this as a rude question but what is the problem with being sexualised? Isn't that kind of validating you as a woman?

>>8617
while i do think it's interesting, it's also different in some ways.
this sort of sexualization often focuses on genitalia (and post-op trans women don't really exist in porn so people never think about that)
for example: when people call me a ladyboy, femboy, whatever, that's just a constant reminder that i'm stuck in a body i don't feel comfortable in.

i'd also say there is no "problem" with people sexualizing others, there's no problem with people being stupid, ignorant, whatever. i just:
  • want these people to be radically honest, to tell me what they think, so i can avoid them or even talk to them and maybe change their mind. instead they'll lie to your face and play politically correct, then talk shit behind your back. i've noticed that pattern so many times and i think it's sad all the other transhumanists fall for it
  • want to find other people that don't think that way, so i can freely associate with them instead




 

Is there any way for me to be sure i support trans rights because its the correct thing to do and not just because i find transhumanisters cute.

This is really bugging me i dont want to be a creep or a hypocrite

Its ok and based to support peoples rights because you want to fuck them tbh, its the star trek pov fill up the beastry

>>8602
It doesn't matter what the reason is, only actions matter

>>8603
Basadoooo

>>8602
Everything except class is spooks and divide and conquer

>>8602
I hate that so many people internalize the idea that social movements can't involve fucking. That's like one of the big appeals. As long as everyone is consenting of course.
There's so many lonely miserable young people, why should we not want them to join us so they can have more sex? It's a good thing for consenting adults to have sex and they're joining good causes.
There should be joy in our movements.



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