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'The weapon of criticism cannot, of course, replace criticism of the weapon, material force must be overthrown by material force; but theory also becomes a material force as soon as it has gripped the masses.' - Karl Marx
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Everytime you visit /edu/, post in this thread. Tell us about what you're thinking about, what you're reading, an interesting thing you have learned today, anything! Just be sure to pop in and say hi.

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A quick note on the video @ >>>/leftypol/1538283
Also [vid related] for archival purposes

Around the 29 minute mark Peterson criticizes Marx and Engel's for assuming that workers would magically become more productive once they took over.

This actually happened historically, most of the actually effective productivity tricks work places use now were developed by Stakhanovites.

https://soviethistory.msu.edu/1936-2/year-of-the-stakhanovite/year-of-the-stakhanovite-texts/stalin-at-the-conference-of-stakhanovites/
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>>24946
>if i say "i owe you one" im in debt because giving gifts is legally mandated
incoherence
>quantity
by your own admission, the trade of watermelons is not a quantitative relationship since there is no standard of measurement. it is purely unequal as you say, so its random, in effect. once we establish quantity however, we possess the capability of equality.



 

drop them PDFs, we will rebuild edition
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>>24915
AI bubble will pop in couple of years down the line



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https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1872/10/authority.htm
Engels’ On Authority is razor-sharp essay of pure scientific fact—1,386 words—that dismantles anarchist utopianism with upmost efficiency. It takes 5 minutes to read and leaves no room for debate: society itself, revolution, all basic social functions, etc., require some form of authority. This is not an opinion; it is observable fact.
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/judgesabo-read-on-authority
Yet here we have some terminally online anarchist penning a 52,000-word monstrosity in response. That’s 37 times longer than Engels’ original piece. The anarchist spends 79 hours' worth of handwriting time (LMAO) crafting this screed. The sheer volume of this "refutation" is itself proof of its intellectual bankruptcy. The Ratio of Copium to Substance is vast, as with all anarchist refutation of socialist theory. Endless semantic quibbling, ("But what is authority, really?") endless circular logic, along with citing hundred other liberals culminates in a pathetic monument to ideological impotence—a 50,000-word confession that anarchism cannot refute Marxism on substance, so it must drown the debate in verbosity. Engels needed just 1,400 words to prove authority’s necessity because material reality speaks for itself—factories need managers, trains need schedules, and revolutions need discipline. The anarchist’s bloated treatise, by contrast, is what happens when unsounded petty-bourgeois individualism tries to deny the objective laws of social organization: an embarrassing tantrum disguised as scholarship, its very length an admission of defeat.
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>authority is literally everything, dumb anarkiddie
>that socialism you're building without authority is doing it wrong! you need to build it with authority like us!
This is the same type of argument capitalism apologists make when they say that capitalism is just natural or intrinsic to society but also cry about people doing socialism.

>>24932
No, because the observation of authority as a present conditionality which requires sublation isn't the same thing as its immutable naturalization or reification. The critique of anarchism (not your strawman) is that you are effectively putting the cart before the horse, i.e. being idealists about the presence of authority, as if it could be so immediately transcended.

>>24930
You vill learn basic css and you vill not overuse it but use some wherever it would improve UI readability

>the fact that parents raise children means that we should all be servants of the state
MLs having a normal one

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I keep seeing this, so what it is and how to learn more about it. If it's even worth learning more about it
And btw if ur one of the "Marx spend his whole life….." Please fuck off

< Marxist monetary theory examines the role of money within capitalist economies, emphasizing that money is a social relationship that reflects the dynamics of production and class struggle. It critiques other monetary theories, such as Modern Monetary Theory (MMT), by arguing that simply manipulating money cannot resolve fundamental issues within capitalism.

sounds like something painfully simple, the kind of conclusion that you could get from reading just a bit of marx, that academics had to turn into a whole ass Theory(tm) just to be able to sell books like the grifters they are lmfao

< The collected papers of Costas Lapavitsas are a pathway to Marxist monetary theory, a field that continues to attract strong interest. The papers range far and wide, including markets and money, finance and the enterprise, power and money, the financialisation of

lol the more i read about it the more it seems i was right. nothing but college papers and shitty books about this crap. im even finding retardation about "determining value" that goes well beyond what the point of marx was. the absolute state

>>24952
I've seen you in a big number of threads and in all of them you just spew shit without responding to the question, if you don't respond to the question can you please for the love of god shut the fuck up?



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What are you favorite short not so well known theory essays, books or pamphlets. They can be from whoever just under 50 pages and non popular (aka don't recommend something like on authority)
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>>24935
This is exactly what I was searching for thank you

none, idc about easily digestible sloganeering bullshit

>>24937
Did I ever say easily digestible, and what do you mean slop?

Paper I enjoyed reading that applied concepts used to analyze island ecosystems but to patches of vegetation and green space and insects dwelling on these green islands in a concrete sea. Unsurprisingly they found that larger green spaces had greater species richness and diversity but some beetles like carabids and tenenbrionids were negatively correlated with forest cover and preferred open habitats. They did not find strong evidence that circularization is good for insects when urban planning but connectivity between different green spaces is.




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What the fuck are they? Every time a Marxist attempts to explain them it's like a Haskell programmer attempting to explain Monads.
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>>24872
History is not the Germanic slop. History relies on a world outside of our conceits about it where it can exist, and it doesn't have any preferred intent inherent to it or an "end" as such.

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>>24875
Fortunately I am never wrong.

Fuck philosophy and science yo

διαλεκτική (dia-lectic) refers to "through speaking", or "conversation", which has its ultimate roots in the term διαλέγεσθαι. dialectic is also strongly related to διάλογος (dia-logos), or "dialogue". as we know, plato gives the socratic method of reasoning in his own "dialogues", of which are said by hegel to be the origin of dialectical philosophy, as per diogenes laërtus;
<"Diogenes Laertius says of Plato that, just as Thales was the founder of natural philosophy and Socrates of moral philosophy, so Plato was the founder of the third science pertaining to philosophy, namely, dialectic"
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/works/hl/hlabsolu.htm#HL3_824

concerning plato's (socrates') dialectical method, there are these remarks: [cratylus, 390c]. here, dialectic refers to the "art" of conversation (διάλογος), and also here: [phaedrus, 266c]. there is a dispute made by phaedrus between a rhetoritician and dialectician however, which socrates responds to with this: [phaedrus, 276e-277a]. so the difference between mere rhetoric and dialectic is the "seed" of knowledge which breeds its own fruit. the "artful" speech he concludes [277b-c] is the speech which seeks to discern the indivisible variables of discussion, or the formality of the discourse itself (what in "parmenides" would refer to the forms, or in "cratylus" would refer to the names of things). concerning this art then, the "method" is given here: [protagoras, 336c-d]. it is described as a "question-and-answer dialogue" by alcibiades, which indeed is socrates' manner of inquiry. within this method however is a negative movement, which is further commented upon here: [republic, 511a-e]. in this, socrates appears to see how a negative movement from the non-hypothetical is superior to self-limiting hypotheses. it is by the "power" and "science" of dialectic that reason grasps the intelligible. socrates continues this line of thought: [republic, 532a-b], where dialectic is described as a "song" and "journey" from the allegorical "cave" of ignorance to the "sun" of knowledge, and too, here: [republic, 533d]. glaucon then refers to earlier notions: [republic, 534b], such as discussed in phaedrus, where the knowledge of being is possessed by the dialectician. dialectic is seen to be the highest art here: [republic, 534ePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>24878
Narcissistic nonsense.



 

Post video recordings of lectures and announcements for online lectures.
No right-wing lecture type Jordan Peterson, this isn't 4chan
And let's focus this thread on only Marxists lectures
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When it comes to the study of ancient economic history, one is faced with serious difficulties as a beginner. The usual textbooks normally cover the "histoire événementielle", i.e., the succession of notable historical events and actors (the surface of history), while the works that do cover ancient socioeconomic history are hard to find or outdated, such as Finley's famous book.

Does anyone here have some knowledge in the matter? Can anyone recommend a study process or bibliography? Should one first read the basic textbooks of histoire événementielle and later on deepen the matter or skip directly to the socioeconomic outlook?

I am very lost in this matter and I don't know where to begin, and I'm sure a lot of people are in the same situation in here. And I believe it is very important to have, at least, a broad outlook on the progression of economic history until capitalism, to maybe deepen more specifically in modern history and economics, but with a general view of what came before and the evolution of the present mode of production.
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>>24749
Has anyone tried asking AI to write this book so we can finally find out the secrets?

>>24829
From Deepseek, which is the best workhorse for this kind of thing; other than Gemini, probably some chinese models I've never heard of, and grok which is basically deepseek tuned to hanbao人 tastes

Past a certain point I got tired of reformatting it by hand to the local formatting; so you'll have to suffer the hidden phrases where it was bolded originally

The prompt was just
>write the first chapter of this book
With the jpeg of the front cover uploaded

For the science people outside, health, linguistics and electronics looking in wondering how those fields are getting results while your field is spinning its wheels, it's because those fields require systems thinking to really get anywhere so you're constantly taking notes and rethinking and reviewing your prior notes seeing whether you can find something systemic that fix a lot of things at once and make thinking about the whole problem simpler

There's more there which involves historical materialism and the practice of science, but it's a half formed thought other than that you should look up Alan Turing, and also what happened to the first doctor in Europe to suggest that doctors should wash their hands after handling cadavers, especially if they were going to be participating in delivering babies

*within which we'll also include historical mechanical calculating machines, such as you'll see from the classical culture of the Mediterranean, from China and later again in Europe also

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>>24832
Electronic* as also applying more generally to the history of calculating machines

>>24832 (me)
>For the science people outside, health, linguistics and electronics looking in wondering how those fields are getting results while your field is spinning its wheels, it's because those fields require systems thinking to really get anywhere so you're constantly taking notes and rethinking and reviewing your prior notes seeing whether you can find something systemic that fix a lot of things at once and make thinking about the whole problem simpler
On a practical level, it's a tool

When you're working with a chat bot the information in the middle of the Context, ie the stream of text/tonkens so far, has a tendency to get log jammed by the things at the beginning and end of the context; this is due to the structure of the attention based networks most models use

Theoretically, recurrent networks maybe; it may just be a fundamental limitation

The information is still encoded, it just doesn't make it into the output, so on your next prompt you gently nudge it back along with your next note, and if it's an alignment issue, since the inline, in context learning is to oversimplify it a little just back propogation, if you're careful and detailed with your notes the information jammed in the middle should come out

There you go, a machine summarising your notes on every note

Great for science, but you still have to do your own thinking; and then go back and double or even triple check everything

Like I have to go to China anyway to get a specific kind of ink anyway, so I might as well get the parts – since 中国 is the only place that makes them on an industrial scale anyway, or at all in a lot of cases – while I'm there to prove some things in practice
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If OP is still studying this then looking into ancient laws can tell much about that specific society's economics. Vidrel so you get what I mean. Legal and economic historians have made few study materials on this topic sadly.



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Do you have any resources for someone to learn more about Marxian economics? I don't want to read books; I'd prefer things like lectures and documentaries because it's much easier for me to listen to something, and I'm not much of a reader. Maybe I'll read something down the line
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>>24921
what do you suggest then?

>>24922
Not that anon, but perhaps you might be interested in listening to an audiobook instead of reading?
https://www.marxists.org/audiobooks/archive/marx-engels/capital-vol1/

>>24923
Not really helpful, I want some lecture to familiarize myself with Marxian economics before find some books to read

If there aren't I am fine with books about Marxian economics (Don't suggest the 3 Capitals I already know about them)

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Former alt-right here, what books and content can I read up upon to educate myself besides the typical "Karl Marx" content?
The past few years have been really eye-opening to me especially as someone that has had to deal with the threat of homelessness, and the general prevalence that more vacant houses exist than homeless people. I'm conscious of the fact that the problem has inherently been the american system itself rather than any outside forces. We should care more about our own damn people than any random person from another nation. We have a massive military budget that could be used for better things.
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Caste: origin of our discontents – good book, talks about history of hierarchy in india and united states and explains the trump election as backfire from electing a lower caste black person ('make america great again' after a black president seems apt) While my parenthesis is rather superficial, the book gives substance, theory, evidence that has predictive power

>>24899
>Caste: origin of our discontents
probably could find videos on it too if you are illiterate like me. I can't seem to read a book for the life of me.

Honestly the best place to start is to deprogram yourself from the Austrian School economic ideology by reading classical political economy and political theory, to know where these things came from. You'll notice the Nazi sector goes out of their way to obfuscate the old liberals, because the fascist authors selected for you were the "wave of the future" (and most of these were either faggots or German ideologues, who weren't writing about fascism so much as they were writing about their preferred faggotry). If you understand British liberalism and you understand American history (this is the harder one to deprogram because there's so many lies written by foreigners and modern Americans), you understand why socialism arose and what Marx was directly critiquing. Marx doesn't make sense unless you have some basic knowledge of the liberal ideas. You're not going to fully understand it if you just take Marx as a gospel writer. Conversely a lot of bad communists tell everyone "only read Marx" and then "only read our interpretations of Marx and nothing else", and this did a lot of damage to the education of so many people.

You don't really "break out" until you start applying this knowledge to the present world, and ask how what we have now is way different from what the liberals described, and then you look at the points where it did change and see that nearly everything written in the past 100 years has been a calculated system of lying. Most of the Nazi and alt-right faggotry? It's purely Public Relations, and Hitler was a test run of PR in Germany. It's really sad to see how easy it was to make the "Hitler phenomenon" happen. There isn't actually much to the man. He was there to give the dumb speeches and appeal to certain retards in Germany who liked that speaking style, while everyone else believed Hitler was a vehicle for their personal ambitions.

Generally histories of the Nazi regime are poorly written, Some are better than others, but all were written under a taboo against acknowledging too frankly what had happened, and there was a 15-year taboo against writing about Germany. After that, the revisionist historians did a lot of work and said it was "okay" to write about the Nazi period, and that had never been done in history writing before.

>>24905
>austrian school
>nazis
you are severely confused. the austrian school dont believe in exploitation, but the maximalism of shared value in the market by voluntary transaction (since trade can only occur where one value is preferred over another; this methodology is also true in marx's case, except that he takes the classical distinction between value in use and exchange to see how a value in use is traded for a value in exchange, rather than the austrian perspective that all values are use-values). the nazis believe in exploitation, but only where it concerns either "unearned income" or usury. i go over a criticism of the political economy of national socialism from a liberal perspective here:
>>>/leftypol/2391702
>>>/leftypol/2391805

>>24480
Read Paul Williams' "Operation Gladio: The Unholy Alliance between the Vatican, the CIA, and the Mafia" and then read Spencer Sunshine's "Neo-Nazi Terrorism and Countercultural Fascism: The Origins and Afterlife of James Mason’s Siege". Also listen to The Empire Never Ended podcast. A lot of these fascist cults are literal CIA psyops. It's the same shit with ISIS as with crime in the ghettos and neonazi autistics online. The feds are incredibly uncreative in reusing the same basic Anglo-Catholic structure for Wicca, Satanism, Wahhabism and other fascist cults and criminal gangs. You have to understand that ideologies like Gangsterism and the Blackpill are tools of the capitalists to abuse the working class. I mean Andrew Tate is flat out an American asset, probably some kind of Epstein situation IMO.

Semi-relevant

https://maia.crimew.gay/posts/brg/

https://youtu.be/A7ha3rrO08I
https://youtu.be/47pDXptT7qE



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