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one sided love edition

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>Trump says he will declare the Strait of Hormuz US territory “pretty soon” while preparing a hard economic blow to force Iran into ending the war.
<In response to Trump’s threats, Iran’s deputy foreign minister says the waterway will remain Iranian and that blockade enforcement will continue until the US accepts defeat.
>Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi says the Islamabad MoU marked an “end of the war, not a ceasefire”, pointing out that the US violated the deal and fighting resumed, leaving no 60-day ceasefire to extend.
<Araghchi also says negotiations between Iran and Oman regarding the Strait of Hormuz “may reach a conclusion soon”.
>Abu Dhabi National Oil Company says one of its vessels came under attack in the Strait of Hormuz on Friday, reporting no injuries and that the situation was brought under control.
<Oil prices rise more than a dollar a barrel as tanker attacks and stalled US-Iran peace talks drive Brent crude to $88.52 and US WTI to $82.40.
>CENTCOM says US forces “redirected” 62 commercial vessels in the Arabian Sea after reinstating the naval blockade of Iranian ports
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>>2903992
>people of le land of immigrants are… le immigrants???

>>2903995
Yes, just like Marx fell for it.

We don't claim Sinan Antoon, he looks like a crakkka and has a fag name.

>>2903848
>a third way
what did she mean by this? but srsly, this is naive revolutionary phrasemongering. any attempt for revolution would be crushed either way, and the US or other minor powers (including Turkey) swooping in, and installing a puppet regime like in Syria. to revert back to an idealized version of an revolution in times of crisis is to wash your hands in innocence while people get slaughtered

>>2904003
>revolution is le impossible
reported for spreading anti-communist psyops


/leftypol/

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UK Conservatives and far-right Reform UK pledge mass eviction of foreign nationals from social housing

The UK’s main opposition Conservative Party has announced it will end social housing provision for foreign nationals in England if it enters government at the next election…
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>>2903413
Based and Giant Peach Pilled.

Funni or nah?

>>2903491
Just based on the thumbnail I'm gonna say nah

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They're harassing Church of England clergy now.

An unhinged stalinist wrote into Prometheus you should all read this:
https://prometheus-mag.com/2026/08/31/right-wing-communism-a-disorder-for-adults
Right-Wing Communism: A Disorder For Adults
> Liam Cook reproduces a crumpled letter accusing the editorial board of Trotskyism and ruining Your Party by not uniting uncritically behind Corbyn and then provides a series of catechisms on anti-revisionist Marxist Leninism


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/leftypol/'s most ignored general is back

Earth is now heating up twice as fast as in previous decades: Study
https://ground.news/article/earth-is-now-heating-up-twice-as-fast-as-in-previous-decades-study_63acf6

Humanity heating planet faster than ever before, study finds
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2026/mar/06/humanity-heating-planet-faster-than-ever-before-study-finds

Microplastics found in 90% of prostate cancer tumors, at much higher levels than healthy tissues, study reveals
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/02/260225001250.htm


Was War with Iran Sparked by Water?
https://erickeyser.substack.com/p/was-war-with-iran-sparked-by-water?r=1r05cx&triedRedirect=true&_src_ref=old.reddit.com

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>>2903878
Yeah my lawn has resuscitated itself. I think picrel has a point though.

>>2903877
Gonna get grittier

>>2903877
first pic is from 2022

>>2903883
Definitely it would be nice to have more parks that aren't just flat grass, shame this is the reason though.

>>2903926
Ngl does make it harder to picnic. Britons have a culture of sitting on any available green space the moment the first sunny day comes out in late april/may. I've had a few europeans point out to me how it was a culture shock first time they came here.


/leftypol/

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🗽 UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅

>Thread for the hellish discussion related to the scourge of the earth, the destroyer of nations, the king of coups, the sultan of sanctions, the emir of the embargo, the autocrat of austerity, the doge of deregulation, the baron of busting unions, the prince of privatization, the lord of loan sharks, the patron-saint of proxy wars, the sponsor of settlers, the guarantor of genocides, the Divided $nakkkes of Amerikkka™

<Unequal Exchange Edition


The American question is: how does a settler-imperialist nation transform itself into a decolonized socialist commonwealth without either reproducing the imperial form or fragmenting into balkanized enclaves that allow capital to reconstitute, while resolving the contradictions of internal colonization and liberating its external colonies, therefore using the empire's collapse to accelerate material conditions to enable the global revolution?


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(Amerika is the most incarcerated country in the world!)

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>>2903967
>>2903974
Same person as >>2903948 and >>2903947 btw. When in doubt, people posting inflammatory bait usually try several different angles before they find something that sticks

>>2903977
>guy that promised to throw up tariffs and re-industrialize is talking about industrializing
wtf this makes no sense

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You'll never guess but the "controversial 9/11 posts" that El-Sayed made were from 2020 about how we should treat the ongoing COVID crisis at least as seriously as we treated 9/11. Somehow that's being spun as some kind of pro-terrorism statement because as we all know all Muslisms are a hive mind. I dont think even Mamdani got quite this level of bad faith bipartisan Islamophobic smears thrown at him, and the dude actually identified as a socialist unlike El-Sayed

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>>2903990
That's quite the headline, huh.
They managed to put together same things in one short paragraph to scare the gullible audience.

>>2903990
>headline
lol fuck Bari Weiss


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Breaking the law rules of the Self-Storage edition

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Evidence of the influence and origin of neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine

https://archive.ph/44B9Q
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323637
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323658
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323663
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323688
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323729
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323733
https://archive.ph/x1sRT#1323731
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>>2903892
we never forgot

>Sources close to the Kremlin say that, after several weeks of consideration over the summer, he seems to have chosen to escalate. Indeed, a longtime associate of Mr Putin says he is likely to have seen Mr Ratcliffe’s visit as a sign of American weakness. That, the source said, was the president’s interpretation of the visit to Moscow in November 2021 by Bill Burns, Joe Biden’s CIA director, to warn him against invading Ukraine. He went ahead three months later.

https://www.economist.com/europe/2026/08/30/cornered-vladimir-putin-plans-to-escalate-his-war

>>2903892
My favorite jewish restauranteur

>>2903965
I fucking hate westoids and their psychoanalytical bullshit coming from Sigmund Fraud

>>2903875
Tbh it's not that shocking they can find common ground in celebrating the defeat of the Nazis.


/leftypol/

 

What does leftypol think of the worker's party of belgium?

It might very well be the best possible avenue for communism in the western world. It's one of the largest partie's in Belgium and has very good polling for the next federal election, the only problem is that if they don't get a very clear majority (and thats rare for belgium) they will probably have to come into a coalition with some socdem or moderate party.
The party was also originially maoist but to not die out it just instead became a communist party.

I always thought belgium was gonna cease to exist at some point because of how divivded it is along language lines but i think finally, after however long, class struggle is uniting them together.
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>>2860359
>all power to the soviets
This was top political play by Lenin, calling for dual power between soviets of deputies and the provisional government, letting the soviets be taken by reformist mensheviks and right-SRs, them hitting the wall of reformism, bolsheviks taking over after radicalization, and only then did Lenin call for APTTS. Genius if ask me. He didn't scream it as an cool slogan btw, there was actual politics behind it.

https://www.dsausa.org/blog/three-lessons-from-the-workers-party-of-belgium/
https://joealextodd.substack.com/p/comparing-dsa-and-the-belgian-workers

>>2860957
Damn the DSA seems even more useless than I thought

>>2858790
>What does leftypol think of the worker's party of belgium?
how do they feel about the congo

>>2877942
https://youtu.be/c_axCLhkTho?si=n_LeS8ZY-VxqHsf8


/lgbt/

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I'm so tired of it all. Everyone believing the lies. Everyone legislating our torture. Everyone celebrating our oppression. Everyone pretending they're justified. All the money, all the technology, all the grifting, all just to hurt me and the handful of my kind. I just want to give up and cry.

I know that's what they want. They want us to hate humanity so they can justify branding us as terrorists. They want to push us into a corner where the whole world is against us, and our only choice is to fight back, so they can use that retaliation to manufacture consent for our eradication. It's the exact same playbook they've been using against the people of Palestine.

But even as horrible as things are for them, at least they have people fighting for them. The powerful stomp them into dust, but there's a dim light at the end of their tunnel of thorns. Journalists risk their lives to spread awareness, citizens risk arrest for speaking out. They have real allies in this fight, a frayed thread to cling to. We have no flickering light of hope, we have only ourselves.

People might feign support in passing, but anything more than empty platitudes is asking too much. Nobody wants to make even minor sacrifices for us. Nobody wants to spread empathy or awareness for us. Everyone is all too happy to let us sink to second-class citizens. Everyone is all to happy to publicly dehumanize us without so much as flinching. Nobody knows we're 10 times more likely to be murdered. Nobody knows there's state-mandated conversion therapy and human experiments. Nobody even knows what V-coding is. When they start marching us into the ovens, will anyone even know? Will anyone even care?

How can I cope? How can I not become jaded? I don't want to hate the human race, but anything less feels like letting myself be in an abusive relationship. I'm so tired.

My genuine, from the heart, advice is that you dont need to cope with this or deny it but rather make the hatred for humanity a background part of your narrative. Humanity is shit and it would be weird not to hate it as a transwoman. But dont lwt it eat you. Do mindfulness on a large scale. Focus on the little nice things that are supposed to happen in your life or could happen within the next week or few months but no further than that. The hatred is tgere to stay and thats okay but you should go about accepting it and channeling it into firearms training (I assume you are american) and prepping in general. Make the prepping for the coming hell a hobby and not an obsession. Most vital of all, find a group of other transwomen that you can talk and meet up with regularly and talk to them about what you are feeling (therapists are dogshit you need real human friends with the same problems as you) socializing in general is necessary for which I would suggest far-leftists as they are the most likely to come to your aid if shtf. Make connesctions, you never know when you will need them. Im a cis man but i genuinely want you to thrive despite living in this bitch of a world. Stay safe,stay happy, but also stay dangerous. Good luck from a thirdoid.


/leftypol/

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“Mass immigration is insane and will lead to the destruction of any country that allows it. It only takes a few percent of the world to move to a country, where it is no longer that country. A country is its people, not its geography.”
https://x.com/iamyesyouareno/status/1908860526400057534

"The legacy media never mentions white genocide in South Africa, because it doesn’t fit their narrative that whites can be victims"
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1904065163407368212

Even Musk's AI is based.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1916042294018666585

"The ADL is a hate group"
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1973289543848829225

He supports remigration.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1997700657546191314

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The issue is people had way more kids under feudalism because within five years you had someone else helping you with chores, which was most of your day if you’re in agriculture. They literally can’t contribute under either socialism or capitalism. You get state subsidies and public school but that’s clearly not enough to offset the time and financial costs for most people.

>>2901121
Yh, I don’t think it’s a coincidence that his obsession with cementing a civil war in the UK began when his support for H1-B visas became scrutinised, on the top of the UK mildly turning against Israel by cancelling a weapons deal, recognising Palestine, and now putting into motions sanctions against the illegal Israeli settlers.

>>2902016
Maybe.

>>2901879
So do legal migrants and you can select for skill too unlike with illegal migrants.

>>2902791
Oh really.


/leftypol/

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A thread focused on discussing the parasocial relationships cultivated by the Almighty Algorithm to generate profit off of our atomization and society's commodification of petty internet drama.
Brace through the hyper-real lacanian void together!

Reminder That None of This Is Real!™
ɢʀᴀʙ ᴀ ᴘᴀɪʀ ᴏꜰ sᴘᴇᴄᴛᴀᴄʟᴇs

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CORE THEORY
>The Society of the Spectacle (1967) by Guy Debord
📖 • https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/debord/society.htm
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0blWjssVoUQ

<The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction (1936) by Walter Benjamin
📖 • https://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/ge/benjamin.htm
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>>2903819
>choques
choirs*

>>2903774
>you could read Yanis Varoufakis’ “Technofeudalism”
you also could read actual books that aren't dumbed down pseud slop that gets lost in its own incoherent ramblings.

>>2903795
lol i remembr that 3hr debate with jack the marxist. at some point he got into grover furr and became stalin-pilled

>>2903836
I'm just listening to some of that debate now for old time's sake (9 years ago, that's 8chan days) and I'm honestly somewhat jealous of these people who can be so out of their depth and yet be so confident at the same time. This guy is scoffing and snickering while having to get the entire thing he supposedly disagrees with explained to him and he's just not getting it.

>>2903595
I mean yeah they changed how she looked but it was still named after a slave character lol. It's just embarrassing in 2026.

But not as embarrassing as saying removing them has somehow worsened the position of black people


/lgbt/

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Paul Cockshott has recently uploaded a video arguing against the idea that gay people are born gay, and that genes can affect sexuality. Instead Coockshott believes that being gay is caused by capitalism. He outlines his "theory" explaining this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f1nisT6ji8
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>communist guy explains how capitalism causes homosexuality
>named Cockshott
Nothing is real anymore

>>10416
don't you think that culture could just be homegrown though. a lot of old socialists seem like alright people and have decent politics but go full boomer when talking about social issues (even if they are somewhat pro-trans, it's clear they don't really "get" it in the same way younger leftists do)

again, why are people here defending biological determinism
human sexuality and gender identity are socially defined

cockshott has previously made a very obvious observation: that any society, to exist through time, has to be able to reproduce itself. this means, in the short term, producing food and all the other needs, and in the long term, demographic reproduction. it follows that homosexuality can be defined as capitalist decadence because it degrades one of those functions

>>10433
It does not necessarily degrade either of those functions. Are miscarriages "capitalist decadence", too? Just admit that you hate the gays instead of these parodistic rationalisations.

>>10433
least retarded conservative 'socialist'


/leftypol/

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Capitalism was nice only in the beginning, in the honeymoon phase.
Now it turned into feudalism and genocide.

People should have picked communism. Now they will live in hell and die.
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>>2903900
Let’s be real, there hasn’t been a form of human organization that’s been nice. Hunter gatherers were completely at the mercy of nature and would starve after a failed hunt or in bad weather. Slavery and feudalism were much the same but on a larger scale with bad harvests and the occasional plague or foreign invasion. Communism isn’t going to be nice until it’s mature enough to have shed bourgeois subjectivity and birthmarks entirely and none of us will see that in our lifetimes assuming another socialist experiment can ever even get off the ground again.

Early capitalism gave us the transatlantic slave trade.
<The discovery of gold and silver in America, the extirpation, enslavement and entombment in mines of the aboriginal population, the beginning of the conquest and looting of the East Indies, the turning of Africa into a warren for the commercial hunting of black-skins, signalised the rosy dawn of the era of capitalist production.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch31.htm

>>2903893
>capital has no room to expand productively
capitalism has barely touched africa. unfortunately I don't think they will develop before global conflict re-aligns all the capital centers like the first two world wars did

>>2903911
actually it was the rise of human society itself that gave us the global slave trade, rome was built on the backs of conquered foreign slaves. clearly this means that society is fascist and we need to back to being tribesmen in loincloths genociding each other for coconuts

>>2903861
>mate, that hamburger merchant isnt gonna last long. if you dont expand, youre gonna get fucked by competition.

yes, there are no local stores anywhere in the world, there is only mcdonalds, every town in america doesn't have a hundred of rinky dink family-owned shops that have stayed in business with the same staff in the same place selling the same product for decades. and the corporate world is full of highly stable and reputable firms that don't operate on razor-thin margins with constant turnover and don't constantly get bought out and rebranded under different names and end up being owned by some holding company in saudi arabia.

like i said, this is the religious mythology and nihilistic psychological projection of the capitalists, that there is no other economic model but capitalism, it is impossible to run a business sustainably and rationally, everyone in the world is elon musk and being greedy and stupid and insane is all human beings have ever been or will ever be capable of. it's a self-fulfilling prophecy, braindead dogmatic cult mentality where if you repeat something often enough it becomes fact.


/lgbt/

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Last week an English terf grifter made an "expose" on how more people were getting surgeries on the WGS than in England. This got shared on Welsh nationally funded news. Due to this, along with whining from tories, NHS Wales has cancelled every single surgery including ones only hours away from happening. Basically trans people in Wales have had their healthcare stripped from them by some angloid whiners.

https://yserengoch.cymru/2026/08/29/oppose-transphobic-libel-on-welsh-government-funded-news-site/


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WILLKOMENSKULTUR IST VORBEI edition

>“The age of Willkommenskultur is over, the era of mass deportations has begun,” commented the Sweden Democrats party, whose MEP Charlie Weimers played a central role as ECR’s shadow rapporteur.
>In a rare show of unity on the European Right, the directive was adopted not only by the national conservative groups (PfE, ECR, and ESN) but also the EPP, which votes together with the leftist parties in the vast majority of cases.
>Most importantly, the new law will introduce a mutual recognition and enforcement obligation between member states regarding deportation orders, meaning migrants cannot circumvent return decisions by moving to a different EU country and restarting the process. A return order in one country will legally count as a valid order in all of them.
>Another important point is the introduction of third-country return hubs, making it possible for member states to externalize return procedures by sending migrants to secure facilities outside EU territory to wait for the end of the process, ensuring they won’t escape implementation once the paperwork’s done.

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>>2903425
wtf I love Le Pen now

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>work harder or the Chinese will put us out of business
europe is so fucked

>>2903938
We had a capitalist that came on tv and was like "it's fantastic what they do in china, 70 hours work week, the employees sleep in the factories, incredibly more productive than here and they don't complain"
The covid debt will have to be paid one way or another, and if they have to add on top of that the hormuz debt, germany is just gonna quit the EU in fear of hyperinflation

>>2903938
Factor in climate change

>>2903938
Every time this guy opens his mouth it seems to be bad news for Germans lmao


/latam/

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EDIÇÃO LIMA BARRETO
"A vida do homem e o progresso da humanidade pedem mais do que dinheiro, caixas-fortes atestadas de moedas, casarões imbecis com lambrequins vulgares. Pedem sonho, pedem arte, pedem cultura, pedem caridade, piedade, pedem amor, pedem felicidade; e esta, a não ser que se seja um burguês burro e intoxicado de ganância, ninguém pode ter, quando se vê cercado da fome, da dor, da moléstia, da miséria de quase toda uma grande população."
-Sobre o Maximalismo, 1919.

O covil dos webcomunas no Brasil
Último fio: >>19167
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A esquerda não precisa só combater o Flávio, precisa puxar o saco do Lula
O Flávio mantém o mesmo núcleo duro do Jair. Pessoas obstinadas a destruir a imagem do Lula, todos os dias, 24h por dia. Conheço bolsonaristas que acordam Lula, almoçam Lula, estudam Lula, jantam Lula, respiram Lula. O cara sabe mais sobre o Lula do qualquer pessoa de esquerda, passa o dia vasculhando frases e criando conteúdo anti-Lula. É uma espécie de hiperfoco que não existe por parte da esquerda hoje, nem no propositivo pelo Lula, e nem no combativo contra o Flávio. A esquerda radical puxa o saco da China, puxa o saco de Cuba, Coréia do Norte, utopia socialista, mas não se esforça para elevar o único candidato de esquerda competitivo que restou em TODO seu país. Tudo é o famoso "ah, mas ele é neoliberal, né rsrsrs". O resultado é essa campanha arrastada, xoxa, empurrada como uma carroça e com chances reais de derrota.

>>20082
RS é, historicamente, o estado mais baseado do Brasil.

Espera… Rio de Janeiro?

>>20089
Não puxo saco de liberal. Tmj 🤙

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https://www.cnnbrasil.com.br/eleicoes/nexus-cury-chega-a-11-e-e-1o-nome-da-terceira-via-a-ter-dois-digitos/

Passou, passou, passou um dronezão, e nele estava escrito que o Cury é campeão!


/leftypol/

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What did Marx mean by this in the Communist Manifesto.
<"Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country."
>The Communist Manifesto, Chapter II: Proletarians and Communists
My three potential interpretations are as follows.
A) Marx viewed that the separation of the rural and urban populations led to conflict to due living in separate conditions. Like how we see rural populations now a day being far more reactionary than urban ones.
B) Marx viewed that alienation wouldn't just stop with abolishment of capitalism but we would to have to workers produce there own food and industrial goods. Instead of having them exchanged between city factories and country farms.
C) Marx thought the cities would dominate the surrounding country and lead to the reformation of the state.
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>>2903939
<Let us begin with the small peasant. Not only is he, of all peasants, the most important for Western Europe in general, but he is also the critical case that decides the entire question. Once we have clarified in our minds our attitude to the small peasant, we have all the data needed to determine our stand relative to the other constituent parts of the rural population.
<By small peasant we mean here the owners or tenant — particularly the former — of a patch of land no bigger, as a rule, than he and his family can till, and no smaller than can sustain the family. This small peasant, just like the small handicraftsman, is therefore a toiler who differs from the modern proletarian in that he still possesses his instruments of labor; hence, a survival of a past mode of production. There is a threefold difference between him and his ancestor, the serf, bondman, or, quite exceptionally, the free peasant liable to rent and feudal services. First, in that the French Revolution freed him from feudal services and dues that he owed to the landlord and, in the majority of cases, at least on the left bank of the Rhine, assigned his peasant farm to him as his own free property.
<Secondly, in that he lost the protection of, and the right to participate in, the self-administering Mark community, and hence his share in the emoluments of the former common Mark. The common Mark was whisked away partly by the erstwhile feudal lord and partly by enlightened bureaucratic legislation patterned after Roman law. This deprives the small peasant of modern times of the possibility of feeding his draft animals without buying fodder. Economically, however, the loss of the emoluments derived from the Mark by far outweighs the benefits accruing from the abolition of feudal services. The number of peasants unable to keep draft animals of their own is steadily increasing.
<Thirdly, the peasant of today has lost half of his former productive activity. Formerly, he and his family produced, from raw material he had made himself, the greater part of the industrial products that he needed; the rest of what he required was supplied by village neighbors who plied a trade in addition to farming and were paid mostly in articles of exchanPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>Karl Marx
>The German Ideology
>Part I: Feuerbach.
>Opposition of the Materialist and Idealist Outlook
>C. The Real Basis of Ideology

>Division of Labour: Town and Country
<From the first there follows the premise of a highly developed division of labour and an extensive commerce; from the second, the locality. In the first case the individuals must be brought together; in the second they find themselves alongside the given instrument of production as instruments of production themselves. Here, therefore, arises the difference between natural instruments of production and those created by civilisation. The field (water, etc.) can be regarded as a natural instrument of production. In the first case, that of the natural instrument of production, individuals are subservient to nature; in the second, to a product of labour. In the first case, therefore, property (landed property) appears as direct natural domination, in the second, as domination of labour, particularly of accumulated labour, capital. The first case presupposes that the individuals are united by some bond: family, tribe, the land itself, etc.; the second, that they are independent of one another and are only held together by exchange. In the first case, what is involved is chiefly an exchange between men and nature in which the labour of the former is exchanged for the products of the latter; in the second, it is predominantly an exchange of men among themselves. In the first case, average, human common sense is adequate — physical activity is as yet not separated from mental activity; in the second, the division between physical and mental labour must already be practically completed. In the first case, the domination of the proprietor over the propertyless may be based on a personal relationship, on a kind of community; in the second, it must have taken on a material shape in a third party - money. In the first case, small industry exists, but determined by the utilisation of the natural instrument of production and therefore without the distribution of labour among various individuals; in the second, industry exists only in and through the division of labour.
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>>2903944
<The Rise of Manufacturing

<The immediate consequence of the division of labour between the various towns was the rise of manufactures, branches of production which had outgrown the guild-system. Manufactures first flourished, in Italy and later in Flanders, under the historical premise of commerce with foreign nations. In other countries, England and France for example, manufactures were at first confined to the home market. Besides the premises already mentioned manufactures depend on an already advanced concentration of population, particularly in the countryside, and of capital, which began to accumulate in the hands of individuals, partly in the guilds in spite of the guild regulations, partly among the merchants.
<That labour which from the first presupposed a machine, even of the crudest sort, soon showed itself the most capable of development. Weaving, earlier carried on in the country by the peasants as a secondary occupation to procure their clothing, was the first labour to receive an impetus and a further development through the extension of commerce. Weaving was the first and remained the principal manufacture. The rising demand for clothing materials, consequent on the growth of population, the growing accumulation and mobilisation of natural capital through accelerated circulation, the demand for luxuries called forth by the latter and favoured generally by the gradual extension of commerce, gave weaving a quantitative and qualitative stimulus, which wrenched it out of the form of production hitherto existing. <Alongside the peasants weaving for their own use, who continued, and still continue, with this sort of work, there emerged a new class of weavers in the towns, whose fabrics were destined for the whole home market and usually for foreign markets too.
<Weaving, an occupation demanding in most cases little skill and soon splitting up into countless branches, by its whole nature resisted the trammels of the guild. Weaving was, therefore, carried on mostly in villages and market-centres without guild organisation, which gradually became towns, and indeed the most flourishing towns in each land.
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>>2903946
<The Relation of State and Law to Property
<The first form of property, in the ancient world as in the Middle Ages, is tribal property, determined with the Romans chiefly by war, with the Germans by the rearing of cattle. In the case of the ancient peoples, since several tribes live together in one town, the tribal property appears as State property, and the right of the individual to it as mere "possession" which, however, like tribal property as a whole, is confined to landed property only. Real private property began with the ancients, as with modern nations, with movable property. — (Slavery and community) (dominium ex jure Quiritum[5]). In the case of the nations which grew out of the Middle Ages, tribal property evolved through various stages — feudal landed property, corporative movable property, capital invested in manufacture — to modern capital, determined by big industry and universal competition, i.e. pure private property, which has cast off all semblance of a communal institution and has shut out the State from any influence on the development of property. To this modern private property corresponds the modern State, which, purchased gradually by the owners of property by means of taxation, has fallen entirely into their hands through the national debt, and its existence has become wholly dependent on the commercial credit which the owners of property, the bourgeois, extend to it, as reflected in the rise and fall of State funds on the stock exchange. By the mere fact that it is a class and no longer an estate, the bourgeoisie is forced to organise itself no longer locally, but nationally, and to give a general form to its mean average interest. Through the emancipation of private property from the community, the State has become a separate entity, beside and outside civil society; but it is nothing more than the form of organisation which the bourgeois necessarily adopt both for internal and external purposes, for the mutual guarantee of their property and interests. The independence of the State is only found nowadays in those countries where the estates have not yet completely developed into classes, where the estates, done away with in more advanced countries, still have a part to play, and where there exists a mixture; countries, that is to say, in which no oPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>Frederick Engels 1872
>The Housing Question
<During the 1870s, a major polemical debate unfolded in Germany’s worker/democratic press on the shortage of housing available to workers in major industrial centres. The influx and increase of the proletariat created a housing crisis.
<On June 26 1872, Engels contributed the first of a series of articles to the Volksstaat, entitled “The Housing Question.” The last appeared on February 22 1873. Engels’ central point was that the revolutionary class policy of the proletariat cannot be replaced by a policy of reforms, because "it is not that the solution of the housing question simultaneously solves the social question, but that only by the solution of the social question, that is, by the abolition of the capitalist mode of production, is the solution of the housing question made possible."
The series criticizes Proudhonism (and petty-bourgeois socialism in general, including Lassalleanism). It also discusses things like the nature of the State, the dictatorship of the proletariat, the eradication of the antithesis between town and country, the solution of the agrarian problem, forms of the socialist reconstruction of society and the tasks of the proletarian party.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1872/housing-question/


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I have been brainwashed by rightist propaganda into believing that human ethnicities or "races" have differing skills a capabilities because of biological factors

I'm tired of my mind being clouded by hateful intrusive thoughts

Please help deprogram me
Please show me the light and please tell me which books or articles I should read that shows there isn't a "superior race"

Please
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>>2903880
So things can exist without being real?
Existence is an aspect of reality. Reality is primary.
<Existence is the state of having being or reality
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existence
<Reality is the totality of existence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality
If existence precedes reality, can existence be unreal?
And further, can non-existence have reality?

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>>2903822
>You seem obsessed with race, I have to say
when you say something simply wrong and get corrected the people correcting you are obsessed
>You could go back to redlining for a better example
you are just giving more reasons why calling it self-inflicted is ridiculous
>because I choose to be
your choices are parametrized by the conditions you live in and there are plenty of people that are working hard just to make ends meet or are simply unable to make ends meet. your personal sense of voluntarism also does not generalize to large populations especially when there are clearly other historical conditions at work
>but rather, against unnatural things
society is inherently artificial

>>2903912
>simply unable to make ends meet
*simply unable to find a job and make ends meet

>>2903912
>something simply wrong
What did I say that was wrong?
>calling it self-inflicted is ridiculous
What causes people to be on welfare for their whole life? Themselves.
I think people should have the freedom to choose poverty.
It is a valid lifestyle choice to be unemployed and lazy, no?
>your choices are parametrized by the conditions you live in
Yes, and while some rise above, others sink to the bottom.
Being born poor is not a condemnation to further poverty.
>voluntarism also does not generalize to large populations
Yes it does; all people are self-determined. We all have choices.
>historical conditions at work
So everyone who is poor is a victim of someone else?
Why is it inconceivable that many people prefer poverty?
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>>2903933
>What causes people to be on welfare for their whole life?
deindustrialization, the destabilization of family unit, the fact that jobs do not pay enough (there are plenty of people who are on welfare who do actually work). all of these factors lead to small opportunities and further alienation which might manifest as "laziness" at the subjective level
>We all have choices
doesn't mean such choices exist in a vacuum from material reality. imagine a peasant being like "well i am just lazy so i am not going to work". it would basically never happen. even the attitude of just being "lazy" in this context is a process of lumpenization that presupposes prior proletarianization
>So everyone who is poor is a victim of someone else?
i dont care for moralism with regards to the actions of individuals. what i care about civilizational development


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>Bye, bye, Microsoft! – edition
https://www.zdnet.com/article/china-drops-windows-for-linux/

The Chinese question is: how does a comfy non-imperialist nation transform itself into a global socialist model that can be reproduced and adopted by the rest of the world, without either reproducing the aggressive and counter-productive policies of the USSR or appearing toothless, while resolving the contradictions of the so-called first world FOR THEM and liberating them from capitalist domination, therefore using the empire's collapse to accelerate material conditions to enable the global revolution?

<A thread for the harmonious discussion related to the saviour of socialism, the uplifter of nations, the king of cooperation, the soviet of SOVL, the enjoyer of empathy, the ally of Africa, the demigod of development, the bureaucracy for banter, the prince of ping pong, the lobotomizer of labour aristocracy, the protector against proxy wars, the sponsor of sophisticated sciences and culture, the guarantor of gommunism, the Proletarian Dictatorship of Chynah™.

Original threads:
https://archive.ph/S2XYA
https://archive.ph/Ytckv

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I still wouldn't call China socialist, but it's undeniable that state capitalism (or, to be more precise for their case, state-directed capitalism) is superior to westoid finance capitalism for national development. It's still not what I want, but there's no denying it's better.

>>2902854
Yeah, even if you don't believe that China is socialist, there's no way you can claim that China is equal or worse than USA for the world. Lesser evil at the very least, or a straight up communist country - zero reasons not to support China


do they eat it?
how is taste?

Deng won.


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Hello I'm new to this whole thing. I understand that proles are supposed to work together to overthrow capital but how is that possible when so many proles are retarded cattle? What do you do with proles who love the bourgeoisie like hardcore elon musk/trump fans. What about blue collar guys that blame everything on immigrants and love capitalism. What about military veterans who actively aided the capitalists and have zero regrets. What do we do with all those people? There's too many to just kill them all and the idea that "education" will suddenly change them seems idealist. I don't see how those guys would be compatible with revolution, what's their role in this?
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>>2903823
So you would bust up unions if given enough money?
How much?

>>2903829

i can't know that until it actually happens. i can try to tell myself that i have strong convictions and principles and that i would never be a sellout, but the moment of truth is when i see the paycheck and all those zeroes dancing in front of my eyes and my mind is awash in visions of lifelong freedom and prosperity and limitless possibilities and never having to worry about work or bills or money ever again. from all i have seen, the batting average for people adhering to their principles when confronted with an enormous paycheck is not good at all, the odds of someone remaining the same person after winning the lottery are even more astronomically unlikely than winning the lottery is.

Yes, he did account for anarchists.

>>2903829
In the US?
One million dollars
With pleasure

proles don't exist
proles are an abstraction, an economic class

ganing class consciousness doesn't mean to "realize that the capitalist is ripping you off personally", you start acting on behalf of this universal subjectivity

class is not an essence or mere condition of being a wage worker, it's a kind of subjectivity that has to be developed


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This short book is banned in almost every country on earth.

It's called "Supercommunism". It advocates for society where every being (human, animal) is cared for, is happy, is not exploited, while avoiding common pitfalls of standard communism.
Definitely worth reading. I recommend.

The short book is here:
https://web.archive.org/web/20260218025138/https://supercommunism.neocities.org/

I will paste some parts of the book in this thread.
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>>2903847

yes it is, whether the author realizes it or not.

>>2903835
Based

>And who should be the dictator of supercommunism? I think I have the best skills to be a dictator, I should be the dictator of supercommunism. But I am open for propositions for other candidates.

>the sizes of products will be regulated by law, a package of rice will have to be 500g / 1000g / 2500g / 5000g. Capitalistic sizes like 900g, 450g, will be banned
Kek

>>2903920
What's funny about this?


/lgbt/

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>transhumanists/fags are da modern/joowish invention!
<Wrong *insert link to the list of pre-Hirschfeld trans/homosexuals*
>They wuznt real transhumanists/fags! Fake history!
or
>People become gay/trans cuz *insert idealistic goyslop*
<Wrong *insert link to the neurological studies n shi*
>Fake science! Author is Joowish (John JohnSON is da joowish name, rite?)
It's amazing how much cuckservative discourse is just them denying facts, thus making discourse impossible.

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>>10420
Obviously we are talking about the Internet or at least irl debates

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>>10421

i like hurting other people

>neurological studies
When will this vulgar materialist pseudoscience stop being posted on a marxist board? The brain is an organ in constant change throughout a human life and highly responsive to a large, disparate set of outside stimuli. So much so that it should be impossible to establish a causal chain to something as abstract and at the same time specific as these personal behaviors and social traits. Hence at the current state of neurology, these studies may be likened to modern-day phrenology.

Even worse is the implication that it would somehow be an "L" for le trans community, if we could clearly trace gd back to a set of social factors (moreso than psychoanalysis already has), because genes reign supreme o algo.

>>10428
You're running your fucking mouth a bit too much.


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Заранее известных победителей эдишн.

KEEP THE PRO-WAR CIRCLEJERK TO /ukr/ AND FUCK OFF

QOTT:
>пойдёшь голосовать?
>будет ли движуха под выборы?
>какие есть варианты менять ситуацию к лучшему, когда участие в выборном фарсе ничего не даст?
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>>2897224
Пушто пынька шаломов доел всех русских до состояния emotionally unstable teenagers

Why is it that the vast majority of Russian "leftists" aren't that different from the chuds they claim to oppose? Thread is literally nothing, but:
>Le Putin is le crypto Jew
>Russians are le subhuman orcs
>Ukrainian Nazis are literally real life superheroes (I fucking know that every Ukraine glazer from the last thread is here)
>I can't wait for NATO to vaporize me, we deserve it

>>2902021
all of these are true btw

Putin is an honest denazifier. Russian nazis and Ukrainian nazis are killing each other for 4 years now. Da voynye!

>>2902021
Russian youth think that being a nihilist doomer is edgy cool and thus they'll fit with the cool west. They are a very twink-leftcom bunch.


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Why does everyone in leftist circles hate him now?

I remember when he had a whole cult around him in the early 2010s during Occupy and was a huge cheerleader for the Rojava revolution in the years that followed. His book Debt The First 5000 Years was a huge hit (and I mean HUGE, in the sense that you'd see it sold in both anarchist infoshops and mainstream booksellers like Barnes). He was instrumental in rewriting the historical narrative of class formation and the development of money and economic systems. A lot of Marxists didn't like that but they had zero means of debunking his work. When he died in 2020 there was an outpouring of love from leftists all over the world, for an anarchist intellectual who meant so much to people.

But now, I never see Graeber mentioned, ever. The only times I see him or his work brought up is to heavily chastise it, or attack him for his anarchist politics. Tankies hate him but can never prove him wrong. I have to ask why he's become nothing but a footnote in the history of leftist thought, especially when he was so celebrated 15 years ago.
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>>2903645

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>>2903646
Here are the passages the Nrx guy thought destroyed socialism. Can the superstructure precede the base?

Not a big loss for music.

>>2902800
I don't think it's superior. I think it has a use.

>occupy
>rojava
there's your answer burgerboy


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GTA VI TRAILER 2 JUST DROPPED!!!!!
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>>47884
Rockstar has 2000 employees,the only AAA company that make smaller projects on the side on top of their big one is Ubisoft with 16000 employees

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Representation win: First autistic protag in gaming?
A new wave of "literally me" memes are going to come out of this.

I hate that these trailers and media hype and kind of working on me, because I know for a fact the gameplay is going to be crap.

>>47878
i am actually at a loss as to what rockstars goal was with their reveal. it all feels so random and off, poorly curated.

this scene for example. what am i supposed to take away from it? is it ragebait for chuds? is it to show how 'realistic' the game is supposed to be? is it to show what the relationship between the protags is like? whatever it may be - i don't feel this to be worthy of being in your long awaited reveal of a title that was in the works for well over a decade.

>>47891
most normie people in a relationship will see this and think "wow litterally me" and buy the game. The turbo online, chuds, hikikomori will already buy the game anyway, it's not meant to cater to them.


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saw this on instagram(as u can fucking tell from the side) and it was funny but lowk true
I guess this whole pissrael saga made this normal type of speech so normalised from people from across political of spectrum( who aren't normies obviously )

4chan really did leave a lasting legacy


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Sex is disgusting, imagine putting your pee hole into someone elses pee hole or poop hole like what the fuck? how can someone do that and not feel disgusted? im killing every single sex-defending homofascist and heterofascist, cry ablt it, TROGLODYTE, go STUDY ELEPHANT SEAL HAREM, you SUBHUMANS ARE ELEPHANT SEAL HAREM, sex-defenders dont have rights, sex-defenders are the problem, the only good sex-defender is a DEAD one.
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>>10346

oh im still not with him, i'll be by the new year tho.

>>10342
IT DOESNT WORK THAT WAY, SEX-DEFENDING SUBHUMAN MANMONKEYRAT.

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>>10361

>>10362
GO DIE, YOUR KING IS PROBABLY A ROTTENING CORPSE BY NOW, FOLLOW YOUR FUCKING LEADER.

>>10334
Post more animals with Marx heads


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Flying and Nazi Malays Edition.

A general thread for the discussion for all things happening in Southeast Asia. What a year it has been. Forest fires in Borneo now. Border skirmishes with Thailand and Cambodia. Vietnam mimicking South Korean chaebols. Singapore begging its citizens to have kids. Malaysia sending Rohingya refugees back to Myanmar while it is still in a civil war.

All the while the heat is cooking us now.
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>>2903661
I haven’t kept up with trends in vanguard anarchism, maybe that’s the general direction , I don’t know though, that’s wishful projection

>>2903662
it's not the vanguard that you need to worry about: decentralised systems of labor vouchers are inherently less efficient than currency so the trade union ends up needing a central bank, and capitalism only develops extractive industry so you end up needing taxes and cadres to administer social services in underdeveloped regions.

>>2903698
Especially in Indonesia, even with West Papua and East Timor independent you’d have to deal with as much if not more neglected countryside than Mao in 1949

>>2902605
malaysia has made no claim to the region and has offered both assistance in economically developing southern thailand and to act as a mediator in the conflict.

thailand's counter insurgency has been a spectacular failure with shocking missteps like the army killing 80 people in backs of military trucks during a crackdown in 2004.

there's no proof of malaysian interference: this conspiracy theory is directly attributable to the thai military, who's increasingly reactionary juntas have not addressed the material causes of the conflict and have only exacerbated it.

>>2903035
Honestly subianto is basically trying to copy modi. He hung out with china just recently. He basically wanted to receive support from both, but is so stupid he fumbled both.


/leftypol/

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For a brief moment from 2016-2022 this was supposedly the pinnacle of online left-wing politics. Bernie was about to win, Democratic socialism was the future, China would inevitably democratize and the old boring MLism was dead. A few DSA-backed candidates winning city council seats in already progressive districts was treated as if the Bolsheviks had just stormed the Winter Palace.

The most ridiculous part was that the supposed divide between the Dirtbag Left and the DSA left barely existed. They agreed on healthcare, labor, foreign policy, housing, policing and virtually every other major issue. The defining ideological conflict of the era was essentially whether you were allowed to make edgy 90's raunch comedy jokes on podcasts. Entire feuds and endless Twitter meltdowns emerged from a disagreement that amounted to "can you say slurs ironically?"

The confidence was incredible, leftist genuinely talked as if DSA-aligned leadership of every major American city was inevitable, as if Bernie was one good news cycle away from the White House and as if a handful of podcasts by stand up comedians had somehow cracked the code of political history.
In retrospect, it all seems absurd. There was never a realistic path to any of it. The movement's grandest ambitions had essentially zero chance of materializing.

Then reality intervened. Bernie lost, The post-COVID world arrivedm Housing crises worsened, Migration became politically explosive, Major wars returnedm China didn't democratize and instead looked increasingly capable of navigating long-term crises without becoming a Western liberal democracy and the assumptions underlying the entire scene collapsed one by one.

A lot of the old supporters ended up as tankies. A smaller but noticeable number drifted toward the far right. Sometimes they somehow became both at once. The aesthetic transformation is almost as funny as the political one, the old Dirtbag Left revolved around schlubby podcasters making jokes about being ironically gay, the people who inherited its audience are often obsessed with MMA, military history, geopolitical realism and posting shirtless workout photos. The few remaining loyalists seem to have finally realized that their politics were never meaningfully different from the DSA's in the first place and appear perfectly content settling into the role of ordinary progressive liberals.

What a strange, stupid little farce that was.
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>>2847690
It needed to happen. It was part of the nascent left breaking from neoliberals.

>>2893069
I think some paper years ago said cargo ships emit more so2 or nitrogen oxides than millions of cars and then through a game of telephone people said it releases more co2 than millions of cars, or all cars. I'm not sure, though.

FUCK.
Stavros used to be so much skinnier, even when he was still fat.

>For a brief moment from 2016-2022 this was supposedly the pinnacle of Reddit

fixed it for you.

the real "pinnacle of left-wing politics" is always right now, this present moment in time, because true social progress isn't measured by the random eccentricities of the cultural zeitgeist but by what humans actually learn about themselves and the world which cannot be unlearned. if ever we repeat the mistakes of the past then it means we didn't really learn anything, we just thought we did and we were being arrogant and overconfident in our own abilities and myopic about what was really going on in the world. there's a reason why white liberals were shocked and apalled and literally breaking down into tears and hanging themselves when trump got elected, whilst immigrants and poor black people were not the least bit surprised and it was just business as usual to them.

>>2903832
Your right, but I always associated dirtbag left with twitter more then reddit.


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99.9999% of fights on leftypol are over whether the top pic or the bottom pic is true.

https://strawpoll.com/GeZARkvDRyV

So which is it leftypol?

1: The 1st world bourgeoisie and 1st world workers are trying to crush the 3rd world bourgeoisie and the 3rd world workers

2: The 1st world bourgeoisie and 3rd world bourgeoisie are trying to crush the 1st world workers and the 3rd world workers
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>>2900746
just ignore the TWist trolls, nothing you say will get them to back off. They don’t even actually give a fuck about the third world, they just wanna yell online

typically it leans 2. w/a non-insignificant 1. % but its all super variable and can go either way within that bias

>>2900744
>Real or perceived personal harm isn't the same as relative privilege
the relative privilege of being a diabetic 300 lb imbecile in a power chair who wheezes at donald trump ai slop on truth social in between huffing the oxygen mask. i would rather be worked to death on a farm than have the "privilege" of becoming the "treatler" stereotype.

>>2900750
NTA, but both the French and Russian revolutions made their states way stronger and followed their pre-revolutionary geopolitical goals. I wonder if Pentagon planners will ever figure that out as they watch their military get hollowed out by financiers.

>>2903598
>i would rather be worked to death on a farm
Nothing is stopping you from giving up your lifestyle of whining on the Internet 24/7 and joining up with the Zapatistas or something.
>>2903686
>Pentagon planners will ever figure that out as they watch their military get hollowed out by financiers
This is just pure cope. I wouldn’t be surprised if this talking point is a US military psyop to secure more funding.


/lgbt/

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Never stop being you, You are amazing, and we'll always be deserving of love and care and respect you deserve our already have. I love you so much and i hope where ever you are, you are you're safe and if not will get to safety

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why everyone must be nice when i feel real mean?


/labor/

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Don't get me wrong, I fully support unions and workers' rights but I don't think labor is a good thing in and out of itself. Creative labor, scientific labor, etc. sure but I think most jobs should just be automated in the long term.
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>>2130
anyone can feel smug about knowing things that come with experience that others don't. watch this:
<you would be very surprised how stupid and useless the so-called "blue collar professionals" can be in the rare situation where they have to do so-called "white collar work", not knowing how to type, right clicking and copying every time instead of using keyboard shortcuts, clicking on obvious phishing emails, taking all of microsoft's horrible suggestions like turning on OneDrive, manually minimizing and maximizing windows one by one instead of alt-tabbing between them, relying on the mouse for everything, treating user interfaces like they're written in a foreign language. one time i worked at an small office and this guy who came out of the car garage from a long line of mechanics was doing an internship and he fell for the old "replace the desktop with a screenshot of the desktop so that none of the icons are clickable" trick.

>>2130
you would fuck up at having to do single mom stuff like change diapers or sign kids up for school btw

>>2149
(and btw I don't mean to imply that a brain surgeon is more useful to society than a janitor, there is way higher demand for basic cleanup than there is for brain surgery. toilets need cleaning every day, while brain surgery is rare). Just pointing out that thousands of uncompensated labor hours and thousands of dollars of tuition go into training a brain surgeon while anyone can learn to do janitorial stuff while they're still a kid. Under real socialism education and training will be compensated so that the brain surgeon will be compensated the same as a janitor after getting paid during the years of education and training instead of doing a huge upfront risk of going into debt, taking student loans, and then later on making way more than the average person to "make up" for it.

>>2140
he already got arrested and his mugshot is on the internet. his "infosec" is permafucked.

>>2149
>here's the difference, most of those things you fuck up once and then learn not to do it again.

the guy who destroyed the garbage disposal and filled it with cat shit was fired immediately and he wasn't even a paid employee; doctors fuck up and kill patients all the time, that's why malpractice insurance exists. there are entire industries devoted to absolving white-collar professionals of their fuckups, but fuck up once working on a high voltage transformer and you're gone, not just fired but literally gone, vaporized.


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