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🗽UNITED STATES POLITICS 🦅
<Ronald McDonald Trump Edition

🏈 💵Thread for hellish discussion of the Dying Burger Reich and the pedophile Hitlerite-Zionist clique of the American bourgeoisie and its iron grip upon the greatest bigliest country McGod™ ever gave McMan™ on the face of the McEarth™🌭 🍔

>Things are going to continue to happen in the stupidest ways possible that no one really takes seriously, where every single person compulsively reacts with either cynical grifting or useless panic and appealing to a political system of liberal democracy that is entirely dead and irrelevant. things will continue to get gradually worse, more people will lose their jobs and homes, the most destitute and marginalized will be oppressed by state-backed domestic terrorism, but the decay will simply continue and everyone who isn't actively being imprisoned and forced into slavery or outright exterminated will simply ignore it and maintain a cognitive dissonance of believing a civil war is happening while living their lives in a mostly normal fashion. The death of the United States will be slow, painful, and insufferably annoying and stupid.
<Death to the scourge of the earth, the destroyer of nations, the father of fascism, the enabler of ethnostates, the treatlerite tyrant, the protector of pedophiles, the exporter of ecocide, the captain of capitalism, the king of coups, the sultan of sanctions, the emir of the embargo, the autocrat of austerity, the doge of deregulation, the baron of busting unions, the prince of privatization, the lord of loan sharks, the patron-saint of proxy wars, the sponsor of settlers, the guarantor of genocides, the invader of islands, the Divided $nakkkes of Amerikkka™

🛠️ Strike Tracker ⚒️
https://striketracker.ilr.cornell.edu/

🇺🇸 Deeds of the Burger Reich 🇺🇸
https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/us_atrocities.md
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>>2565936
Sorry im from europe, are the DSA the only succdems around? I thought they were demsocs (not that there's a big difference) and people like obama and bernie filled the succdem hole for you americans. Am I wrong in that?

>>2565947
You shouldn't be "calling for it" You should be actively organizing to facilitate it and take power when it happens

>Le mass support
How much support are we talking? Bolsheviks took over russia with 24000 members and like 20% of the vote in the provisional government

>>2565934
>Also we've been having these succdems/moderates fail for decades now,

We haven't had real succdems anywhere near the levers of power since Lyndon Johnson

>>2565953
Yeah so you've been watching them fail, fail to even get power at that for like 60 years? How many more LJs do you need before its enough anon?

>>2565952
>faux radical conveniently ignoring the soviets that were the cause of the revolution to begin with and pretend the Bolsheviks basically did it themselves
Impressive. You've invented a new level of commandism where you just deny the existence of the contending classes altogether

>>2565954
Considering the proles are voting for mamdani instead of taking up arms, I guess a lot longer


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I was curious to know what you guys thought about liberalism. Do you think it’s still opium of the masses take for example Donald Trump is a crypto fascist like what he did in Iran
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>>2549169
an issue is that "liberalism" is defined ipso facto (i.e. "liberalism" is a 19th century signifier). the earliest text i could find which references "liberalism" directly is andrĂŠ vieusseux's "essay on liberalism" (1823), which i provide citation of here: >>2526253
his claim is that these "innovators" lack a cohesive theory of their own movement. they are not guided by a positive belief in liberty, but a negative belief against "stability". i then attempt to provide german idealist sources of a positive freedom, which appears linked to moral law and thus the liberal precedence of the supremacy of the legislative branch, as we see in england (i.e. "the rule of law", which evolves from habeas corpus to universal human rights). yet, kant still sees that for one to be free is not to be merely subject to law (e.g. dictatorship) but to submit oneself to the moral law as their own reason intuits it. thus, kant attempts to combine freedom and necessity, in what is later approximated by hegel. the earliest liberal ideas stress liberty and this seems to be its own end. yet there is the capitalist turn as smith identifies it (1776) between the class interest of the worker and the capitalist, where profits and wages compete against each other. the rise of socialism comes from.the french radicals, with pierre leroux first defining "socialism" twofold; saint-simonism and republicanism (i.e. liberty, fraternity, equality). proudhon had personal antagonism with leroux yet appears consistent in this republican idea (proudhon in 1849 revealing that his 3 intellectual "masters" were adam smith, hegel and the bible). marx on the other hand seems to have favoured saint-simonism (e.g. "the administration of things") and so came against the french republicans, with his theory of freedom (e.g. 1844 manuscripts) being the positive concept of humanism (communism) where contradictions end.

>>2524222
RELIGION is the opiate of the masses as Marx originally stated.
You're much more likely to get a liberal on your side than you are a religious person, at least in the west.
Look at the average American religious prole - they will vote against all of their class interests, knowingly, because of abortion.

>>2524381
>science of Marxism-Leninism
how to tell someone you don't understand or like science, marxism or leninism

>>2549169
>was to the American Republicanist model in particular.
imho this is also the secret sauce to talking to burgers abt socialism, every critique they've been taught was also something absolute monarchs said about the american revolution(muh huemon nature, republics only work on a small scale, muh democracy equals mob violence,muh divine hierarchy,etc)

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i was researching freemasonry, when i got to the "lansdowne MS" (1560) which is part of the "old charges" of the order (english masonry only officially beginning with the grand lodge in 1717). what struck me is the lexicon highlighted here:
<First, there is no reference of the word ‘Freemason’ or even ‘Free Mason’, only ‘Free born’.  This might suggest Free Mason was not yet in use in England.
https://www.thesquaremagazine.com/mag/article/202101lansdowne-ms/
this is interesting, since it reminds me of john lilburne's notion of an englishman's "freeborn" rights (1641-9). was liberalism a child of arcane masonry (such that later liberal revolutionaries openly adopted the doctrine)?


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/PRC/ People's Republic of China 17
>Taking the grillpill aboard Tiangong.
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>>2565786
Puerto Rico was not in the USA until decades after the Civil War.

>>2565796
You get the point uygha.

But ok, Taiwan is basically what if all the Cuomintang fled to Staten Island after the New York civil war and called themselves the real New York government. Nobody should be obligated to take that seriously.

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>>2565937
lol I can hear nafoids killing themselves

>>2565942
Nuh-uh! Rods of god! Secret hypersonic missiles, undocumented stealth bomber jets over the three gorges dam!


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A thread focused on discussing the parasocial relationships cultivated by the Almighty Algorithm to generate profit off of our atomization and society's commodification of petty internet drama.
Brace through the hyper-real lacanian void together!

Reminder That None of This Is Real!™
ɢʀᴀʙ ᴀ ᴘᴀɪʀ ᴏꜰ sᴘᴇᴄᴛᴀᴄʟᴇs

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CORE THEORY
>The Society of the Spectacle (1967) by Guy Debord
📖 • https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/debord/society.htm
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0blWjssVoUQ

<The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction (1936) by Walter Benjamin
📖 • https://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/ge/benjamin.htm
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>>2565550

>>2565550
It's too soon to judge? The man is doing self harm for views. His name is out there and I can't imagine doing this sort of stuff gets you much more than five minutes of fame. Either he makes it to celebrity or he sinks. Which leads me to believe that we haven't seen the worst of this guy.

He'll probably get ganked at some point, nobody will care about his white supremacist outrage, and then he'd be a sad chud.

>>2565620
This guy still exists? How? Why?

>>2565630
or maybe he will end up being endorsed by the DSA as a "working class" candidate for something

>>2565550
We already talked about this earlier in the thread.
He's a pussy and so are most of the black people in his videos, none of them will do shit this is just homoerotic faux masculinity insults from two men at one another who clearly want to have gay sex but repress it because of society.


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>Europoor

It's becoming increasingly clear that the majority of proles in Europe and North America are being brainwashed by their phones into believing immigration is the biggest issue in their countries. I have largely ignored this issue, as I don't really think it matters but then, last night, there was a lumpen riot in Dublin against an IPAS centre in which a foreign national who had been denied asylum and was told to "self-deport" had apparantly raped a 10 year old girl who was under state care. I usually don't believe a lot of the lies told about "migrants" online but this case makes me feel particularly uncomfortable.

It was a clear failure from the neoliberal Irish government and it's institutions that allowed something like this to happen. Why wasn't this man deported immediately after being denied asylum? Too expensive, apparently. Why was this man allowed to be in a situation where he could sexually abuse a child? Why is this man in my country in the first place? Ofc, the Free State institutions are keeping silent on it, pissing off people even more.

So, how do leftists feel about immigration and the current asylum process? Obviously, I understand this wouldn't be an issue if western corps weren't raping the third world but I also think there is a discussion to be had. Are open borders in the current world really working? Would they work post-capitalism? How do you feel about immigration, positively or negatively?
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>>2565908
>more like immigration restrictions should be forced upon the bourgeoisie whether they like it or not
By what means? Who controls the border? And if you have the means to do make the bourgeoisie do this, why are you not demanding mandatory unionization instead? Workers rights instead? Revolution instead? It's because you do not actually care for revolution, you care that you aren't being cut into the imperialist pie.
>dude just unionize the strikebreakers/immigrants bro
>yeah ok lol
So says every sucessful communist revolution and revolutionary the world over, so yeah. You'll go over high hill and batter anyone you have to in order to convince the bourgeoisie to reverse the course of capitalism, but at the prospect of committing even half that degree of effort toward unionizing workers, you shirk. All the energy and steps to get there, and you could have energized the people toward revolt. Instead? Opportunism, spinelessness, a liberal program of "reform". What do believe in? What are you convictions? Is it communism? Or is it recovering the temporary comfort you feel denied in a failing system, so your grandchildren can feast on your failures like generations two past did to you?

>>2565898
>its a defacto unorganized strike
No its not because a strike is something a group of employed people do in an organized fashion to receive concessions from their employer. Im not "defacto on strike" at the 900 000 000 other jobs that I didn't apply for when im working or when im unemployed.

>>2565908
OK Mr ᴉuᴉlossnW

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>>2565893
>Neither Marx nor Engels argued this
argued what? i made a few points. first, engels claims that the irish are competitors to the english:
<With such a competitor the English working-man has to struggle, with a competitor upon the lowest plane possible in a civilised country, who for this very reason requires less wages than any other. Nothing else is therefore possible than that, as Carlyle says, the wages of English working-man should be forced down further and further in every branch in which the Irish compete with him. And these branches are many. 
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1845/condition-working-class/ch06.htm
so this point is vindicated.
next, i say that its in the capitalists' interest to have an inflated labour market in england rather than a free ireland. lets read:
<the English bourgeoisie has also much more important interests in the present economy of Ireland. Owing to the constantly increasing concentration of leaseholds, Ireland constantly sends her own surplus to the English labour market, and thus forces down wages and lowers the material and moral position of the English working class.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1870/letters/70_04_09.htm
whats next? its in the mutual interest of the irish and english workers to have the irish repossess the nation from colonisers:
>The English working class will never accomplish anything before it has got rid of Ireland. The lever must be applied in Ireland.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1869/letters/69_12_10-abs.htm
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>>2565910
>That's not what happening, but regardless
it is whats happening, but regardless
>it's bourgeoisie at the levers offering the same wages in exchange for not having migrants come over.
The Bourgeoisie simply do not have the power or organisation to say "ok we won't bring in migrants anymore but wages are now being locked forever, and you may never ever switch to a higher paying job from another porky that crossed the picket line" this is nonsensical

> By arguing for border control as opposed to fighting for worker organization and unionization, we place the worker in the hands of the bourgeoisie. We are re-shuffled into a fight against the possible migrant, as opposed to playing with the reality of what we are dealt using what cards we have to fight against the bourgeoise. We end up in a race to fulfill the mythology of a "closed border" (as if "open borders" were even a thing to begin with) and become a slave to an unwinnable fight that concludes in a loss to workers everywhere. We become our own "strike breakers" and the only way to prevent that is to take the only path forward, and unite with migrant, demand the same rights for him, and so refute his, and our, immiseration.

fine, we shall continue to bang our heads against the same wall for another 50 years and watch leftism become completely repugnant to the western working class and allow porky to import as many immigrants as he pleases without any attempt to stop it whatsoever. I'm sure this won't result in the creation of a billion reactionaries

>dude just organize the strike breakers and we can have a revolution
ok go do that then if its so easy


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EDIÇÃO AJURICABA
"Ajuricaba foi um importante lĂ­der dos povos indĂ­genas da AmazĂ´nia. Este cacique dos indĂ­genas ManĂĄos liderou as tribos do Rio Negro na guerra contra os colonialistas portugueses na terceira dĂŠcada do sĂŠculo XVIII"
"Preso, ele seria conduzido a BelÊm para julgamento. Mas, mesmo acorrentado, lançou-se nas åguas do Amazonas, para resistir à prisão."
O covil dos webcomunas no Brasil
Último fio: >>12708
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>>13685
Imagina passar pano pra esse sionista maldito

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>>13687
>perifĂŠrico

>>13692
Isso nem ao menos fez sentido.

>>13692
kek

>>13687
se fudeu kkk


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So I hadn't seen a thread about this yet. What are we thinking in regards to the latest anime flag protests happening in Mexico against the Sheinbaum government? Organic mass uprising? Part of a global wave of revolutionary struggle? CIA sponsored destabilization efforts against US rivals/enemies? Full on color revolution? You decide!
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>>2563818
About Mexico, this ammount to the ye olden phrase "when you go to a rally where nazis are welcomed, you are in a nazi rally"
>>2564950
About Peru, shit is reaaally bad. The lumpen is going wild on the pettybourg and the workers underneath. This creates social tension (the reputation of the police is on the ground, too many scandals and lumpen running wild).
Now, under Boluarte there were some warnings by the amerikkkan officials about the "chinese threat". But there is no "amerikkkan train" counterpart lmao. And Boluarte already gave them a Space Port near Ecuador

>>2564629
>the AmwriKKKan style culture war bullshit wasn't popular in Mexico
there are tons of mexican groypers lol. tiktok has also been filled with mexican chauvinist crap about comparing the GDP of guadalajara with lima, with like phunk music. i hope openAI goes bankrupt quickly so larry ellison is forced to sell tiktok because it's making some people insanely reactionary

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>>2564321
>You were the one who said we should be on the lookout for their response
Yes.
>their stances were rather uninspired
Fair in the case of the RCPN.
>I'll still trust/support the RCPN and others to take what opportunities they can from these events
Good.
>Success was never on the table, not in these protests at least
>The whole movement was a vague "anti-corruption" campaign that started out due to a ban on western social media platforms
>Nothing about it was communist or revolutionary.
You are looking at this one-sidedly and ignoring wider context. Reducing this to simply being incited by an attempted social media ban (as a lot of western media coverage has) is performing the same erasure of struggle as liberals do when they ignore all Palestinian history before Oct. 7th. Not saying you are the same overall as those zionists, but this is the same error in historical analysis. Remember, the masses are who make history. The spoiled brats who held that discord vote with the army were very clearly not the same class and social forces which had just burned government buildings and fought the army. There was a liberal element that was able to use this to defeat other liberals. There was also an eclectic worker element which was much more interested in tearing down the neoliberal apparatus in general and indiscriminately attacked state and corporate infrastructure and buildings. Nobody is claiming that the protests represented a revolutionary or organized communist force, but Lenin offers important words for looking at spontaneous moments like these:

>Strikes occurred in Russia in the seventies and sixties… and they were accompanied by the “spontaneous” destruction of machinery, etc. Compared with these “revolts”, the strikes of the nineties might even be described as “conscious”, to such an extent do they mark the progress which the working-class movement made in that period. This shows that the “spontaneous element”, in essence, represents nothing more nor less than consciousness in an embryonic form. Even the primitive revolts expressed the awakening of consciousness to a certain extent. ThePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

we got reports that a lot of the protesters were rallied and brought in packs by criminals linked to merchants who were threatened by local gangs who charge for protection if they didn't go to the protests;

https://x.com/FreddyOliviery/status/1989832913199010313

of the few Gen-z-ers that did go to the protest might be linked to a detained woman from Guadalajara named Daniela Toussaint who used to pimp minors in 2020

https://www.tvazteca.com/aztecauno/venga-la-alegria/notas-vla/notas/mario-bautista-acusado-abuso-sexual-daniela-toussaint-denunciantes

she was detained on the protests and are treating her like a victim now

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1MW3fxQMzm/

>>2565064
Thank you for your thoughtful response maoanon. I generally agree and I also wouldn't want to dismiss the grievances of the Nepalese working people. Of course there's something real, if a bit embryonic in these protests, otherwise they wouldn't happen. And I wouldn't want to be dismissive of any protests in principle, but I think it should be noted when these movements ARE coopted by liberals and that such things can happen extremely fast or in many cases are already predisposed to cooption. Popular resentment is a powerful force, porkies know this and they control the media landscape, thus molding the perceived outlets for that force in advance. I don't think it's a coincidence when we see these things happen in real time (the discord voting, the QR code banners in english, the "Gen Z" label, etc), that there is a certain alignment towards western interests. These factors should raise skepticism, while retaining solidarity with the working people regardless of course


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"turns out conservatives and reactionaries are just dumb after all" edition.

news:
- Your Party is suing itself, more at 11.
- The SNP and Plaid are going to form a "progressive alliance" somehow
- The government's going to do a switcheroo by raising income tax slightly and cutting national insurance to balance it out. (But they won't - follow this to its logical conclusion and scrap NI entirely)
- They're also considering cutting VAT on energy bills (which is the least efficient way of lowering bills you can imagine)
- The board of deputies asked Aston Villa for free footy tickets. In a worrying sign of rising antisemitism, Aston said nah.
- Labour is falling behind the Greens in the opinion polls as their strategy of copying Reform drives away their already-begrudging supporters without winning over any Reform voting reprobates. Nobody could have predicted this.
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>>2565905
Kek

>>2565874
Drugs have historically been used to cripple exploited communities with revolutionary potential such as China and black neighborhoods. Theres no good reason for a state to allow citizens to shoot themselves in the foot instead of enlisting them in productive labor, and with hard drugs, these are mutually exclusive long term. You retarded liberal

>>2565912
should we ban alcohol?

>>2565874
Childlike take. It affects both the wider society and the addict incredibly negatively, and even the drug dealer wouldn't be doing it if they had access to real jobs.

>>2565922
you what? 🤣
a drug dealer makes bread; a wage slave makes crumbs - why would they work in an office instead?

>>2565925
>a drug dealer makes bread; a wage slave makes crumbs
You live in a fantasy-land. May i recommend quetapine?


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How do you reconcile that this revisionist is responsible for China being the only hope left for socialists? What does China‘s success change about Marxist thought?
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>>2525146
Whever i read a Xi quote, its in the bob's burgers voice now
(i know thus isnt actually a xi quote lol)

>>2565726
You can just admit you lost the argument anon, it's fine we won't laugh at you. No need to bring out your thought terminators

Chinaman are pragmatic people, they deal with the necessity born by reality

>>2522744
>China being the only hope left for socialists
citation needed

>>2565892
I buy it. Whenever I look into Chinese socialism it‘s always
>We need X so we will do Y
<5 years later
>We now have X after we did Y
There isn‘t much abstract theory involved


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>updated Steam Controller
>Steam Machine
>updated Index now called Steam Frame

So they're making a console but they are calling the machine and frame "PC" because they run steam OS, and calling it an "open ecosystem."
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>>45005
Is it worth it to get one of these 8bitdo controllers over something like a ps5 controller for pc?

>>45007

only when it's not a PS controller tbh

i can make muscle memory of the button prompts but i associate the red button with O and when i see an X i think of the button in the bottom

i know where the Xbox buttons are but my brain still can still get confused in the heat of the game

>>45008
Yeah they're a fraction of the cost and they're pretty good

>>45008
I have one and it's basically the only way to have cheap controllers with more buttons than normal

>>45008
The dualsense is a garbage controller without hall effect or tmr, and it has a shit battery life. If you want a high polling rate and gyro you buy a more expensive third party controller.


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TOMORROW NOTHING HAPPENS
CHILE ELECTION 2025
<The spectre of nothing is haunting America
The candidate of the communist party who is watering down to appeal to milder socialdemocrats and others is leading the polls. Next to her are 3 rightwingers, all bastard sons of Bolso and Drumpf
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>>2564996
Something a bit like that happened last election IIRC.

>>2564764
>You got a niga named bukkake?
no he's white.

>>2563371
Meh it is a deeply divided legislature. Hung congress.

im chilean and this is not okay. Communism is for bigger countries like mexico and brazil not little ones like chile. What are you hueones thinking?

>>2565816
>communism is when you vote


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>>2565278
idk, i think smith anon just posts here about whatever he is reading and has taken an interest in jevons lately, that is my charitable interpretation

>>2565390
well jevons has become popular lately for his paradox that technological improvements in efficiency can lead to an overall increase in the consumption of a resource, not a decrease, and is popular in the context of AI being a bubble and stealing jobs.

and mr smith is obsessed with robot powered UBI and saving capitalist from communist revolution.

this of course ignores the TRPF and that robots dont produce value.

and he is way beyond deserving charitability at this point, but he keeps "according to jevons" as if this is some kind of important thing everyone should know and care about. so basically hes laundering techno-fascist nonsense

>>2565403
>and he is way beyond deserving charitability at this point, but he keeps "according to jevons" as if this is some kind of important thing everyone should know and care about. so basically hes laundering techno-fascist nonsense

well yeah, he's a self admitted centrist lib but he's not going to save capitalism from communism by posting any more than we're going to defeat capitalism by posting.

>well jevons has become popular lately for his paradox that technological improvements in efficiency can lead to an overall increase in the consumption of a resource, not a decrease, and is popular in the context of AI being a bubble and stealing jobs.

I don't even see how that's a paradox. isn't it obvious that automation increases consumption of resource? A man with a chainsaw can process more wood than a man with a steel axe, and a man with a steel axe can process more wood than a man with a stone axe. This is why advancements in technology that increase the speed at which we process natural resources usually end up getting supplemented by other advancements in technology that increase the efficiency of our resource usage. Like miniaturization of transistors for example allow for more computing power to be packed into smaller and smaller chips, which is the principle by which Moore's law operated for decades. We're constantly working with changing situations.

>this of course ignores the TRPF and that robots dont produce value.

I forget what his response to this one was. Something about Marx making up anthropocentric rules I guess

>>2565418
the idea was that an increase in the efficiency of steam engines would result in less coal use, but instead the increased efficiency led to the deployment of more and more steam power driving a demand for more coal. so as computers and AI become more powerful instead of needing less computers to do the same work we will increasingly use computers for more and more things,

presumably they think the increased demand overcomes infinite growth in a finite universe and you dont have to address the contradiction of private ownership

to me it just seems like an adjacent argument to the idea that while new technology like the loom destroys seamstresses it creates job for loom repairs, which as i said ignores the trpf, and of course also ignores that the transition to a service economy relies on imperialist extraction that boomerangs back around to the domestic economy eventually as capital returns to suck the remaining juices that are left in the husk they previously destroyed

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>>2565252
after gossen, he is the founder of "marginal utility" theory. his influence is absolutely immense.
>>2565390
i provided a review of his work "the theory of political economy" (1871) in one of the older threads, which people clearly never read. he's interesting to read since his findings are compatible with the classical labour theory of value, hence him and marshall are dubbed "neoclassical" economists in their defence of ricardo (e.g. keynes' general theory, japanese preface).
>>2565403
here's a question: why are you even in a political economy thread when you are intentionally ignorant of economic history? you are proudly idiotic, claiming to not know or care about jevons, as if this makes you superior. so, why are you here?


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I haven't really been much of a marxist throughout my life because of its somewhat "continental" nature. In essence my thought system has been articulated around the idea of non-domination/non-coercion, similar to most neo-republicans nowadays. Yet, whilst discussing with a friend of mine yesterday, she described marxism as essentially that, except with a broader picture than the individual. Thus my question is, how do you respond to these critiques without falling into some form of left-libertarianism or kantian ethical (like Rawls or Pettit) system ?

>LTV
From my understanding, alienation occurs because the worker doesn't enjoy the full value of his labor, determined by his labor. Without going into economic debates about which paradigm is true, how do you resolve the LTV being arguably false with the alienation incumbent on the workers ? Alternatively, if labor is presumed to not have innate value, how does alienation come about ?

>Historical materialism
Similarly, how does the marxist critique interprets the potential errors that Marx made. If class conflict is the sole driver of history, how do you explain Napoleon or feudal reconfiguration. Furthermore, if the superstructure can affect and influence the base structure, doesn't this negate the broad "justification" of a revolution and that the roles of production aren't everything in a society (perhaps this lies on me, but I hardly see how marxism can be non-work centered).

>Falling rates of profit/crisis theory
It is my understanding that Marx argued that capitalism would inevitably result in crisis which would weaken the working class and express its contradiction. However, the keynesian framework allows for a more robust understanding of these crisis aswell as an integration of consideration for the workers in its system. Similarly, the TRPF has been disproved by Okshio's theory and has been somewhat proven empirically false. If both are true, what requirement is there to fundamentally change system and free ourselves from the free market "constraint" ?

>Empirical cases of "marxist-leninist" states & the ECP
Lastly, how do MLs adress the issue of domination in marxists societies. Essentially, why haven't marxist utopias produced long-lasting results and individual satisfaction ?
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>>2565531
>alienation
the theory of alienation is present in marx's 1844 manuscripts, and does not refer to "exploitation", but rather, the social abstraction of labour as such. that is to say, when labour is taken as something in-itself (rather than part of nature), then we establish society in relation to the subject of "labour" (e.g. class society). exploitation also occurs via alienation, since capital is "dead labour" which oppresses "living labour". thus, economic relations are the relations of labour to itself; in possession and dispossession. marx's solution is to abolish the category of labour itself.
>exploitation
the exploitation of labour also doesnt refer to the product of labour which is owed to the worker (since to marx, the wage is the value of labour), but rather, that the surplus labour is categorically dispossessed by the employment contract. the worker does not own his labour by right, but rather, he owns his "labour-power" (capacity to work) and sells it as a commodity. if you reduced the working day to only what was necessary, exploitation would not occur.
>if labor is presumed to not have innate value
to marx, value is not an "innate" or natural relationship, but is a social relationship defined by commodity exchange. thus, only commodities have value, and attain values in being purchased for money.
>falling rate of profit
this theory appears to originate in the work of adam smith, as recorded by the historical rate of interest, which decreases over time. smith stipulates that profits may only fall in relation to higher wages in the context of competition (which ricardo also situates as the precondition for the law of value), and without this, these conditions may be indefinitely suspended, as in the case of keynesian "imperfect competition" (monopoly) which may lead to higher profits by raising prices, for example.
>>2565618
>Marx differs from Smith and Ricardo on some specifics.
any "specific" examples?
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>>2565868
The tools for economic planning are being made by capitalists themselves. Things like demand forecasting and resource allocation ai. The thing is theyll hold on to those…

>>2565870
>marx claims that the economic relations of labour in class society determines history
and it does, but its not the sole driver of history

>>2565871
Capitalists play a different game in that it is permissible for them to fail. If Amazon bet wrong (say, the price of oil goes up to a million dollars a barrel and their logistics collapse) they go out of business and someone else moves in on their territory. When "Amazon" is the entirety of society, you've got a problem.
Not necessarily an intractable problem, but an underexamined one. The real engine of capitalism so far has not been in that it has successful firms (all systems have successful firms), it is that more than most systems it allows unsuccessful firms to fail. The short term costs hurt, sure, but the long term benefit is that we're no longer pouring social resources into Sears and Blockbuster.
(This says little about economic planning in principle, but it should in broad strokes indicate why decentralized, semi-centralized, or merely indicative planning is preferable to rigid central planning, and why allowing plans to fail is often preferable to trying to salvage them once they go south.)

the lack of a strong failure state is incidentally also why there are so many communist microparties. if a new socdem party can't get elected, it usually gives up pretty quickly because it has obviously failed at its goal. a communist org on the other hand can drift along for 50 years with 15 members masturbating to how they're the one true vanguard who truly understood marxism-leninism-stalinism-maoism-gonzaloism-johnsmithism, because they don't set themselves any serious tests. no communist revolution? of course not, not yet, read theory! sell newspapers! no electoral success? the proletariat has no need for bourgeois electoralism! no new members? as the great stalin said: better fewer, but better!

>>2565863
marx definitely does claim it is the sole driver of history, and he is right about that


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If the price of something is determined by the amount of human work that goes into it, how does one explain the price of luxury items or artworks (which only require a little bit of work but are overpriced due to the supply/demand imbalance)?

It might seem like a bunch of impertinent exceptions that could be overlooked but
- the luxury industry is far from being marginal
- if the premise that the value of something is determined by the amount of human work that goes into it isn't true in every context, then the whole law of falling rate of profit doesn't hold true in every context either

(It's been 3 years since I last read Das Kapital and I'm too lazy to read it again)
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This asinine argument is obsessed with the Austrian School definition of price (always returning to "me wantee") and insists you're supposed to automatically accept it after being beaten over the head with enough idiocy. The labor theory of value, and the discussion of value going back to Adam Smith, was about value rather than prices. The prices of things are set by merchants in response to what they understand the respective value of those things to be. Every merchant makes calculations of value, and if they're operating with the same information, they're going to make the same calculation of value based on those objective criteria; that is, they're going to notice that manufacturing some widget requires the same inputs, that the most effective labor for producing those widgets and the most effective system for producing widgets is expected to produce so much under those conditions, that the demand for widgets is no great secret to everyone in the market, that the utilities of these widgets are describable to everyone to the best of their knowledge. That is to say, value is judged by rational agents based on a lot of objective criteria, if it were a question of utility. But, the most relevant problem for the producers is that they require human labor and exploitation for their enterprises to continue as productive enterprises. The entire reason money exists, the reason why we have price tags in the first place, is because this is how humans are exploited, and what humans have to abide until some other system of exploitation is devised. If prices were not related to wage labor or some form of bonded labor (i.e. slavery, which always has definite costs for its maintenance), there would be no real reason to have the intermediary of prices at all.

It gets more complicated when you really think about what is done with money, instead of believing money is literally made of magic. Everything about the asinine Austrian School arguments requires magical thinking on top of magical thinking and insists you have to "respect" any of it. It's absurd if you step away from their retarded shibboleths and ask yourself what truly, really happens in all of the affairs of a capitalist firm and the wider affairs of a market, of society, of the state. On some level, the economic matter is never strictly about money or a wage, and it's never "just a contract". What isn't arguable is that workers are either paid a wage, or the holder of labor has to pay so much to commaPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

As for the actual question: Marx's law of value pertained to commodities, freely reproducible objects (and so they are not original artworks, unless you have devised a scheme by which "original art" is itself a commodified service to be assigned a price tag, which in a sense is something we have done… and as a result, commissioned artwork has a fairly low going price, dependent on the availability of starving artists who will create furry porn, and ignoring for a moment that furry porn is produced by a cartel of sorts that fixes prices for their own benefit and recognize that they shouldn't undercut their fellow furry porn creators).

Nearly everything about "luxury" goods is explained by the prevalence of cartels and price fixing, which would be the thing Adam Smith calls "a conspiracy against the public, or some contrivance to raise prices". People often try to forget what Adam Smith was really describing, and sometimes Marx himself is doing this or willfully ignoring what political economy entailed.

It should also be remembered that Marx describes the law of value to explain how political economy was nonsensical on its own terms; that if you actually did this, you are missing a lot of very relevant details about what actually happens in capitalist society. Nothing in the free trade theory mentions primitive accumulation, which is why Marx spends chapters describing this process.

Generally though, the reason free trade is allowed, the reason why this system can work, is because price fixing is mitigated and the producers are competing to provide goods for the lowest price, without concern for any external want. Obviously if you can produce goods for cheaper than your competitor, you have an advantage against them. You can sell your goods at the same price as your competitor, who can't do shit against you except try to emulate your ability to produce the same good for cheaper. So, if some starving artist says "I will create furry porn for basically free, as long as I receive a diet of Hot Pockets and am free to make you more furry porn", he's going to have an advantage over a competitor whose needs are greater, say if he has a family to feed. You can see where this heads, once society has degraded enough that the family and even the most basic expectations of human existence can be cannibalized. You're never going to compete with people who live on practically nothing, are used to living on nothing, and have no expectationPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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>>25363
what a waste of words.

>>25366
prove him wrong retard

>>25396
he doesnt make a single coherent point to be responded to, i.e. its a "waste of words".


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>Climate change denial, especially to the extent of excessive doomerism and BP shill tier takes, is banned - per modocracy vote passed on 2025-01-11

This is great but needs more clarity, i've been shocked at how awful the prelevant opinions are on this imageboard regarding climate change, the majority here hold siliconvalley views on the topic with 0 knowledge on it.

That said, what is excessive doomerism? Like shit really is fucked, that doesn't mean nothing should be done of course, but the situation is really bleak


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Evidence of the influence and origin of neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine

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Russia is at fault here, somehow

>>2565821
Putin is weaponizing rats, just like the chinks did with the black plague.

>>2565823
>chinks
Time to go back.

>>2565814
>when radar detects
So they keep radars on all the time?

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>>2565821
comrade rat taking care of the Fr*nch problem


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one of the biggest things they teach in bourgeois economics is that "actually 100% employment is BAD! because it means people can't quit their jobs if they want to and the supply of labor in the labor market will be too low!" I see it dropped casually like it's just a matter-of-fact by people, especially "influencers" who aren't even bourgeois or economists because it's repeated so often. I hate this myth so fucking much for so many reasons, but it's obviously functioning as an ideological justification for the reserve army of labor whether the people repeating it realize that or not (they usually don't even know what the reserve army of labor is). People quit their jobs because their wages are too low, instead of getting organized, because getting organized is harder than quitting and begging another porky for a job. Then when they're begging porky for another job, which can take literally months, they are getting application after application rejected for no good reason, and finally they get desperate and accept a job that is as bad or even worse than their previous job. Most people desire stable employment and a living wage and only quit their job because their wage is shit. So saying or implying that having an unemployment rate of 5-10% is "good" because "people can quit their jobs due to high mobility in the labor market!" functions to justify this state of affairs.

Porky has always opposed 100% unemployment. Pic and vid related.
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>>2565799
it's not nonsense. what does trump want to do? reindustrialize! but what is his other goal? keep the dollar strong. the two goals are impossible together. you can't bring the jobs back, because burgers work for higher wages. People say this makes burgers spoiled, but they also pay higher prices. US currency is hegemonic because it is the world reserve currency. Burgers CAPITALISTS pay lower prices for importing commodities, but then they resell it at higher prices to american workers. The american worker's wage will buy more outside of america, but doesn't buy much inside america. if you tried to bring back industry to america, you would have to lower wages to be competitive with 2nd and 3rd world countries, which would lead to class struggle and riots. the burger porky doesn't want that. The other option is to make the burger currency weaker. world reserve currency status depends on burger reich racking up trade deficit, printing money, inflating currency over time, and importing more commodities than it exports. currency hegemony would end if you brought back jobs, but currency hegemony will also end anyway because inflation will eventually cause burger population average wage to go below subsistence, which will cause class struggle and riots. class struggle and riots is in burger future either way. only way out is for burgers to start big war, but big war requires draft, and bringing back burger draft will result in class struggle and riots. class struggle and riots is burger reich future no matter what option burger ruling class takes. reindustrialization will be good for burger reich but will kill US currency hegemony and cheap imports, which is bad for burger porky. burger porky outsourced to china, but now china is more developed than burger in many regards, and is even catching up in GDP PPP which porky fetishizes the most as an important metric.

>>2565768
You seemingly dont understand how national debt works. AmeriKKKan national debt is owed to capitalist parasites you cry about, mostly amerikkkan ones. Repudiating national debt would mean expropriating their bonds.

>>2565807
I don't think this solves the underlying issue but okay, do it

>>2565806
>you can't bring the jobs back, because burgers work for higher wages.
>you would have to lower wages to be competitive with 2nd and 3rd world countries,

You can bring jobs back if you automate enough. Higher end American stuff is still good, but the amount of parasites make it worse and worse for them.

Burger currency abroad =/= burger currency at home. Two systems are essentially insulated from each other. Comparing dollar wages is fucking stupid, like, a couple of years back Japan had yen devalued, "wiping out" what, 40% of their GDP and wages? What, do you think they've had holodomor happen to them? Nah, nothing of the like happened.

Burger currency abroad is popular because foreign exporters prefer USD denominated bonds because of inflation differences. Japanese Yen was popular for a while because it had great inflation compared to other currencies. This is one of the reasons why Westoid economists jerk off to inflation so much, and laugh at Russia and the like for having high inflation - economists are stupid enough to think that the whole world works just like US inner market, lol

>US currency is hegemonic because it is the world reserve currency.

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>>2565819
>You can bring jobs back if you automate enough.
Wrong. Automation eliminates jobs. Read marx
>Burger currency abroad =/= burger currency at home. Two systems are essentially insulated from each other.
Wrong. AmeriKKKans have no dual circulation because all wealth they consume is stolen from third world.

The number one thing that makes many marxists seem like pseuds with no credibility is trying to handwave away the world we live in.
Why aren't you doing anything to organize? Well, our economy is mostly services, and service workers aren't real proletarians. Capitalists outsourced all the REAL jobs, so now I'm going to outsource responsibility for the revolution.

Give me the naive people who want to form a communist ""union"" of pornographic commission artists any day.


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Neuigkeiten

<Unpßnktlich wie die Eisenbahn; verspätet auf maroden Strecken zu hohen Preisen: DB-Konzern ßberbietet jedes Jahr seine Negativrekorde
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<Rot gewinnt; Präsidentsschaftskandidatin in Chile ist von der KP
https://www.jungewelt.de/artikel/503066.kommunisten-rot-gewinnt.html

<Gideon Levy Ăźber Massaker der israelischen Armee an Hungernden in Gaza
https://www.jungewelt.de/artikel/503098.dokumentiert-gideon-levy-%C3%BCber-massaker-der-israelischen-armee-an-hungernden-in-gaza.html

<NATO-ManĂśver am Niederrhein: Kriegsvorbereitung statt Sicherheit
https://www.rf-news.de/2025/kw27/nato-manoever-am-niederrhein-kriegsvorbereitung-statt-sicherheit

<Parteitag der DKP
https://www.unsere-zeit.de/live-ticker-vom-26-parteitag-der-dkp/
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Hey German anons, I have a question for you.
I know that the Nazis tried to eradicate usage of Fraktur and SĂźtterlin writing styles that were traditional to Germany and Austria, and wanted only Antiqua-type writing to be used.

Can most modern Germans still read Fraktur and/or SĂźtterlin text?
If not, doesn't that make reading stuff written pre-1930s difficult for you? That must make learning about history from first hand sources / reading documents from great-grandparents frustrating…

Was there any attempt by any political movements, be they Communist, or any other ideology, to revitalise Fraktur or SĂźtterlin for modern use?
Are such writing styles connected to any particular ideologies?

Sorry for forcing you to witness my autism but since I learnt that you used to use to write so differently in style to the rest of Europe, I can't stop thinking about these questions…
I personally think it'd be cool if German leftists revived Fraktur and SĂźtterlin writing as a fuck you to the Nazis who tried to eradicate them.

>>2565769
If you are not completely retarded and think the old s is an f it should be no problem for like 80% of the population

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>>2565769
>Are such writing styles connected to any particular ideologies?
In practice most blackletter is used in faux-medieval pastiche and by weirdos on the internet. Ironically SĂźtterlin is strongly associated with NS Germany now, because it only started being phased out when they were already at war and the lettering continued to be used in a lot of iconic Nazi art. People also tend to notice Antiqua writing less than that weird writing style that went out of use after the war, so it's a case of selective memory more than anything.
>>2565777
They're hard to differentiate on low-resolution scans of historical documents though. So are capital K and R.

>>2565769
Kurrentschrift has been taught at schools here at least till the 60s-70s, so most people today still can write or read it, because of their parents. Fraktur on the other hand is pretty much dead. You may find it on some beer cans, but thats it. We can read Fraktur, but not as good as Kurrentschrift and reading lots of Fraktur is a pain the ass. Simce many uneducated right wingers use Fraktur for their memes, you wont be able to make it a lefty thing. People will just think you're right wing.

>>2565769
Fraktur is not that hard to read. It is still being used for e.g. restaurant signs in villages and towns, labels for "traditional" stuff e.g. local traditional food products, music and design and most importantly, a lot of street signs are in Fraktur still. SĂźtterlin is a different thing, it's much harder to read plus it was in use for only a very short time. Most historic official documents, construction blueprints etc. are written in Kurrent.
i'm not aware of any political attempts to get rid of mainly using Latin writing in favour of returning to German letters. Fraktur is not connected to a specific ideology, both left and right may use it occasionally on leaflets, banners etc.
>so differently in style to the rest of Europe
Well from a modern and/or Romance/Anglo-Saxon perspective certainly. However Fraktur developed from Carolingian and Gothic letters, historically it was used in Germanic speaking countries i.e. DACH as well as in Scandinavia and the Baltics from Hanse times up until the late 19th century. Some Slavs prefer their own letters which are related to Greece/Byzantium iirc over Latin in daily life to this day.


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Historically speaking how were judeochristian westoids so successful at divide and conquer to the point they managed to literally invent meme ethnicities to serve as compradors and fifth columnists in the places they wanted to colonize?
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>>2564896
And so is Islam

>>2565059
Islamic, christian and jewish civilisations are part of the one same Roman Civilisation. Rome isn't more western then it's middle eastern.

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>>2564882
>Historically speaking how were judeochristian westoids so successful at divide and conquer
by introducing your people to mia khalifa

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>>2564896
abrahamism must be abolished

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>>2564928
"United" states on the even of Chinese conquest, 2025


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Alienation is not some fucking moral crisis of humanity it's literally just how wage labor and capital accumulation work. Marxist humanists can't admit that because they keep putting "the human" at the center of everything instead of looking at the material setup that creates it.
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>>2561765
>"Alienation" has several meanings
Alienation is a purely economic phenomena, which has social implications. You are irresponsible with your words.

It's a legal term, from which the "moral crisis" proceeds

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Alien nation? That's what we're gonna be if we don't build that wall!

alien nation.

think about that.

>>2561611
>Alienation is not some fucking moral crisis of humanity
nobody with any marxist background, humanist or otherwise, says that
stop fighting imaginary enemies in your head


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>Argue about dvd commentaries, Post your thesis on King of the Hill, Reminisce about a tv show you used to watch but don't quite remember it's title. Just about anything related to shows. Post your highscore on those Ben 10 CN flash games. Anything goes.



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>>3012
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Anybody watch it? I watched the first few episodes then got depressed for unrelated reasons and fell off. It was pretty good, felt a little Fargo-ish but not quite as whimsical or absurd. Killer soundtrack with a lot of great Tulsa Sound artists.

Also not gonna dedicate another post to it, but in a similar vein I enjoyed Task as well.

The first episode of Pluribus is pretty good. It's like if someone saw that episode of Rick and Morty with the hive mind Unity and was like "hey what a great idea"

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>>46517
Why is 99% of hollywood movies complete slop? I feel like the only way to get some originality without the same movie plot recycled over and over again is in games and anime?

>>46791
The acting was horrible IMO but in second episode it got better.

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>>46793
The main character has Yankee disease.
<first contact with an alien consciousness
>how do we kill it?
<gestalt consciousness of virtually every mind on the planet
>does anyone know biology so we can fight it?
<peace on earth virtually overnight
>movies tell me that this is a bad thing
<literally everyone else is fine with the new status quo
>karen starts telling people how wrong they are and what they should be thinking and then throws a tantrum that kills millions


/AKM/

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Are there any methods for defending your country from a nuclear strike? So far it seems that nuclear war would lead to everything on the planet being wiped out, but could there be a way to neutralise the threat of nukes altogether?

I’m not a scientist or weapons expert or anything but hypothetically, could it be possible to create some sort of defence wherein the nukes are disabled before impact by neutralising the warhead with some sort of force field?
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>>5859
patriot missile batteries have a 75% chance of intercepting an ICBM before reentry and separation, and all that scary stuff. the plan with the US missile shield in the event of a nuclear war, is to launch 4 of them per ICBM. 0.75*4= approximately 97.5% chance of getting a hit or some number close to that IIRC. basically enough to probably protect against a rouge nation like north korea. not sure about the remaining 2% odds. not sure what happens if they get unlucky.

>>5883

Patriot missiles can't stop an ICBM, they are designed to intercept short-range missiles. The US has some missile defense systems that can intercept an IBCM moving at hypersonic velocities but they are not very effective and a country like Russia with thousands of nuclear warheads could easily overwhelm any defense system that current technology can produce.

It's possible that in the future, with major breakthroughs in material engineering, the military could develop working railguns which could potentially be used for intercepting hypersonic missiles, but then the enemy could use that same technology for launching nuclear warheads at hypersonic velocities that even your defensive railguns cannot intercept. This is the fundamental problem - any technology that has the power to defend against a weapon of mass destruction could just as easily be repurposed into a weapon of mass destruction. Technology reaches the point where the weapons are simply too powerful for anything to possibly defend against them and there's no putting that genie back into the bottle.

>>5887
>but then the enemy could use that same technology for launching nuclear warheads at hypersonic velocities that even your defensive railguns cannot intercept
Metal Gear?!

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>>5859
Not yet but AI+Radars could revolutionize missile defence if they develop the ability to detect even from the smallest signature that this is a nuclear warhead and not its decoy. More hypothetical would be swarms of drones to be formed into an aerial minefield that could counter multiple missiles launched at the target.

>>6007
>More hypothetical would be swarms of drones to be formed into an aerial minefield
https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-gets-drone-wall-to-fight-russian-threats-arms-maker-2025-11


/games/

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Anyone still playing the game? For me swiftplay kinda saved it. Only fun mode to play right now, wish they would just return twisted treeline.
What champs and modes do you guys prefer?

Anyway, alk about the game
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>>42875
>got flamed so badly every game I would cry every time
woman moment stay out of our games if you can't handle the banter

>>42897
League chat is not banter

Playing ranked for the first time in years and having a blast. Currently gold 1, praying my Lulu can get me into plat where I can maybe play engage supports again

>>42010
i only care about the shortstack porn with the yordles.

>>42932
League is for troglodytes and their opinions are worth nothing. The one League addict I know is a lib who gets ragebaited by the most milquetoast "china good" takes.


/tech/

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They're always some fucking reactionary manbabies with 0 knowledge on anything that isn't *clickclickclickclickclik*

And whenever their work sucks and fails they'll try to explain how it isn't their fault really, without ever fixing the issue. I hate windows but their fucking """"powerusers"""" are worth less the dogpoop
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Incredibly generous to call them admins

I would install Windows if it meant a Linux lady bossing me around.

I know that it's in theory possible to be a Windows user who actually has technical knowledge but in practice I've only ever met Windows sysadmins who do everything in the stupidest, least efficient ways possible or otherwise rely on off-the-shelf products for literally fucking everything because none of them have even basic programming/scripting knowledge. I fucking hate working in IT

>>31759
what particular field do you work in anon that you meet so many win sysadmins who are shite
>>31758
your rhetoric and tone here sound way too dominant

>>31754
Damn if only I was a rich employer

>>31759
I hear you comrade, it's the worst.


/leftypol/

 

New Noj rants on Lenin's Government. Key takeaways are as follows Lenin abandoned his ideals from State and Revolution, that being a state that eliminates the alienation caused by the difference between worker and politician that is prevalent in bourgeoisie democracy, due to the civil war. But kept the elimination of the distinction of different branches of government and that the idea that all political conflict arises from different class interests. The state was separated into two halves the Soviet Government and the Party with a matching set of hierarchy. With the goal of the party to guide the government, but as time went on the distinction between the too blurred. With the Politburo becoming the head of state due to its quick ability to create and pass laws as compared the slow bureaucratic soviet government. The party at all times dominated the government and prevented from any real change in policy from it. Finn ally the party was highly undemocratic as getting into the party required to be approved by other party members and any deviation in ideas could resulting in expulsion.New Noj rants on Lenin's Government. Key takeaways are as follows Lenin abandoned his ideals from State and Revolution, that being a state that eliminates the alienation caused by the difference between worker and politician that is prevalent in bourgeoisie democracy, due to the civil war. But kept the elimination of the distinction of different branches of government and that the idea that all political conflict arises from different class interests. The state was separated into two halves the Soviet Government and the Party with a matching set of hierarchy. With the goal of the party to guide the government, but as time went on the distinction between the too blurred. With the Politburo becoming the head of state due to its quick ability to create and pass laws as compared the slow bureaucratic soviet government. The party at all times dominated the government and prevented from any real change in policy from it. Finn ally the party was highly undemocratic as getting into the party required to be approved by other party members and any deviation in ideas could resulting in expulsion.
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>>2558416
based

>>2558411
yeah i rewatched that one and he says that towards the end, but you gotta admit that's one clickbaity thumbnail

apparently he also makes rap music
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/noj/wish-i-was-here/

>>2565789
……..unexpected lol

I was already wondering what leftypol thought of him. Hopefully you aren‘t getting your panties in a bunch just because not all that he says is favorable to the USSR and Lenin.


/leftypol/

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This thread is for the discussion of cybercommunism, the planning of the socialist economy by computerized means, including discussions of related topics and creators. Drama belongs in /isg/

Reading
Towards a New Socialism by Paul Cockshott and Allin Cottrell: http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/socialism_book/
Brain of the Firm by Stafford Beer
Cybernetic Revolutionaries by Eden Medina
Cybernetics: Or the Control and Communication in the Animal and the Machine and The Human Use of Human Beings (1st edition) by Norbert Wiener
Economic cybernetics by Nikolay Veduta
People's Republic of Walmart by Leigh Phillips and Michal Rozworski
Red Plenty by Francis Spufford
Economics in kind, Total socialisation and A system of socialisation by Otto Neurath (Incommensurability, Ecology, and Planning: Neurath in the Socialist Calculation Debate by Thomas Uebel provides a summary)

Active writers/creators
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>Paul Cockshott
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>>2564767
>Why are you such bootlickers?
I gotta have a strong state
>>2564682
see pdfsrel

>>2564682
>>2564854
as for my commentary, they all dance around the issue that joint production can lead to negative values. interestingly you can have negative surplus value and positive profit
joint production is "dealt" with in national accounts by aggregation. this forces everything into a square Leontief matrix where you only get positive values

>>2562210
Introducing Fixed Prices

What if instead of a bidding for resources with variable-price bids, the bids must be done at fixed prices? I very strongly feel that a resource-allocation system needs to have some flexibility. Imagine only one pseudo-firm wants some resource, but doesn't have the play-money. Isn't that a very silly situation? If the prices are fixed, it should be possible and indeed trivial for that pseudo-firm's spending to exceed its budget to get the resource.

What is the purpose of the budgets? To give the pseudo-firms power to access resources. If society decides to give pseudo-firm A twice the budget society gives to pseudo-firm B for the next period, our working assumption is that society evaluates what A will do as more important than what B will do (even though the two decisions might be made by two different committees without a single person being a member of both). If we have to state any sort of ratio of importance here, we assume that what pseudo-firm A will do is deemed as twice as important by society compared to B. (I'm assuming here A and B are in the same tier. Like in the system with flexible prices, we can have lexicographic tiers of importance for the pseudo-firms, so that a lower tier only gets the leftovers from the higher tiers.)

Suppose the spending period isn't over yet so no new budgets are yet available, but both pseudo-firms are already out of play-money for accessing resources. They are going into minus. I'm using this phrasing for a reason. I'm NOT saying they are "going into debt", because they won't have to pay back anything. Any pseudo-firm's play-money account, whether positive or negative, gets reset to zero at regular intervals and it gets a new budget.

Suppose there is a resource that nobody is bidding for except A and B, each asking for all of it. (Despite using fixed prices here, I'm still using the term "bids", because like with variable-price bidding the requests are not instantly approved, instead we wait for a while till bids are closed; and if the demand exceeds what's in stock, we allocate the stuff in a way that follows a simple rule that has nothing to do with the order in which the bids arrived.) Suppose both A and B are in minus. Again, it is clear that the resource should be assigned despitPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2564859
>We can even split up the same resource and make available some amount of it in each system
I've been thinking along these lines. the plan amounts to a set of entitlements to resources. beyond the plan we could have spending money, but firms choosing to use their money instead of plan allocation get lower priority. for this to work we also need firms to produce enough of a surplus that such spontaneous orders can be accommodated. in other words we should plan for a bit of an excess

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new dickbros

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpX8mtfH5DI


/games/

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>two takes/rockstar fired over 40 of its employees over "gross misconduct" but also allegedly attempting to unionize since the working conditions and secrecy became too much
>due to this new shortage the game officially delayed to november 2026
>protests eruptin
i fuckin knew it
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>>44822
>a series of games that was known to be great for satirizing, among other things, the corporate america Rockstar grew to be.
Shakedown Hawaii is a retro GTA clone that is better about this than GTA ever was.

literally every other mission is capitalist characters finding some new way to fuck up society for a quick buck

>>44993
Thanks for this

>>44822
It was always destined to happen because there's really no reason why Rockstar should be immune to the profit motive that drives the rest of corporate America.

The satire also got a lot softer as the series went on, the comic critique of America became a lot more American than that of Brits looking at the US from the outside. As in it became a lot more politicised in that really generic liberal "Late Night" way where republicans are all rednecks and democrats are all pretentious urbanites, whereas GTA 1, 2 and III scarcely mention politics at all because it's correctly treated as an irrelevancy in a blowing-up-police-helicopters Hollywood depiction of the US where the protagonist collecting prostitutes and ferrying them to a police ball, picking up stolen donkey porn and pictures of a morgue party involving the most influential businessman in the city, mincing people into dog food so someone can avoid their debts, etc are presented as reasonable jobs for a career criminal. In such a world, the trite bi-partisan politics of Washington DC simply don't matter, it's obviously not of importance in this virtual world where someone is causing enough carnage to get the frigging army after them and then escaping after repainting their car, but the question then is does it matter in the real world that still has powerful criminal gangs, mass shootings, and hookers a plenty?

>>45001
no problem :) glad you found it interesting

>>45003
> the comic critique of America became a lot more American than that of Brits looking at the US from the outside. As in it became a lot more politicised in that really generic liberal "Late Night" way where republicans are all rednecks and democrats are all pretentious urbanites, whereas GTA 1, 2 and III scarcely mention politics at all because it's correctly treated as an irrelevancy in a blowing-up-police-helicopters Hollywood depiction of the US where the protagonist collecting prostitutes and ferrying them to a police ball, picking up stolen donkey porn and pictures of a morgue party involving the most influential businessman in the city, mincing people into dog food so someone can avoid their debts, etc are presented as reasonable jobs for a career criminal.
yeah i noticed the "late-night-libification" as well.


/leftypol/

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How can someone with so little power inside Russia be sitting next to the God-Emperor of People's Republic of China?
Is Zyuganov actually more powerful than it seems?
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>>2564702
They don't even vet parties before asking them to come because they're that confident. Straight up CIA fronts like Haz's ACP showed up.

>>2565270
Or maybe they are not a CIA asset?

China does this all the time with international communist/socialist parties, besides the russian communist party specifically is allied to Putin

>>2565270
China likes anyone who will suck up to them, Zyuganov is a great Russian chauvinist who regrets the USSR time because "Russia was bigger and most powerful then", Russia yeah, not the union. He also says the struggle between civilizations replaced class struggle which is revisionist and fascist.
So it's not surprising they would say hello to CIA burger nazbols

>>2564686
>le handshake meme, but good this time


/tech/

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>Just centralise the whole decentralised internet under like three critical providers, bro. what could possibly go wrong. It's brings economy of scale, bro.
How do socialists answer to this?
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>centralization is le bad support le small services
painfully middle class thread

>>31750
We just had a proof that in some cases centralization can fuck things up royally by introducing an unnecessary points of failure. Where half of the internet went down thanks to some inters vibecoding.

>>31750
Please actually learn how web infrastructure works instead of trying to figure the world through memes.

>>31750
The Internet already is very centralized or federated among a moderate number of backbone providers, depending on how you see the role of organizations like ICANN or the IETF.

Cowerflare primarily acts as a CDN and DDOS protection. The former means users access a cached version of the site on servers geographically closer to their location. Both are accomplished by configuring hosts to essentially hook into an overlay network, that is accessed through a number of local, DDOS-resistant Cloudflay servers. Consequently they control the sites DNS record, any TLS certificates for https, as well as any traffic between the site and other Internet hosts.

This is why some people call it an MITM. It's also far from an essential service. As you might know other forms of DDOS protection exist, but Cloudfer often presents itself as the path of least resistance.

tl;dr >>31753

>>31750
>doesn't know anything about computers award


/leftypol/

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The crackdown on immigration in the west has the potential to be a good thing for revolutionary and anti-imperialist states, because it will prevent both brain drain and loss of labor forces. The downside is that these countries won't be able to expel the reactionary elements that would otherwise go to the west, especially the US.
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>>2564805
Yes, precisely.

no

This is why I think Trump winning was a good thing btw, he basically accelerated the end of American hegemony by several years

>>2565699
And this is only the start of his term, Comrade Nationbuilder will do more for us yet!

>>2564787
Is Aryan some kind of Asian because she looks like a Chinese chick that dyed her hair blond


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