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>>2785383
And he was wrong.
What is "progressive", exactly?

>>2755314
Informative read, thanks

>>2785378
>Marxism
Communism is about abolishing money, no?
>>2785373
>the limit of production is human labor capacity not money supply
But for labour to be effective in the market, it has to be employed, and thus tallied by wages. If you have more product than money, you create recession. This can work so long as the product is de-commodified.
>>2785003
>MMT is a program
I would primarily say that MMT is simply the modern theory of money. The old theory of money, as Wray (2013) writes, is comparing a state to a household, where funds are limited by savings. The newer theory of money is to view currency as a sovereign asset which is spent before it is saved, and operates on the basis of credit and debt, with taxation being an obligation upon debt, rather than the means by which saving from the private sector enters the public sector. The further claim is that a balanced fiscal budget (savings/spending) is unnecessary and that a budget deficit (over-spending) can be managed. This is simply (post-)Keynesian policy.
>Inflation is caused by too much money being in circulation compared to the aggregate value of the domestic production, to simplify things.
We could otherwise say that depreciation occurs where liabilities are increased over assets; thus, if liabilities meet assets, there is no loss, while at the same time, assets can become liabilities if they are over-stocked. So then, money can be increased to the rate of potential consumption, measured by total production. Taxing the rich is effective, since it activates their savings, which if untaxed, become harmful against potential commerce.
>Taxing the rich would encourage them to spend more
Alternatively, taxation causes the demand for currency, since if your assets are losing value over time, you are motivated to preserve value by gaining more of it.
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>>2785385
increase in productive forces,break down of the feudal social hierarchy

>>2785507
What? This is an insubstantiated claim (even Marx does not say as such). Feudalism in Britain (~ 1066 - 1450) declined after the Great Peasant Revolt of 1381, which was a revolt against tyrannical political power and taxation to fund the Hundred Years' War (1337 - 1453); the appeals of which were a return to local government and an end to the feudal order (such radicals as Ball and Wycliffe lead the charge). Nonetheless, the primary subjects of feudalism, serfs, remained largely disenfranchised in this struggle, as the centres of the urban burghers and rural peasants (e.g. free commoners) ascended into historical relevancy (e.g. the "good parliament" of 1376, which displayed powers over the aristocracy, all the way to the British Commonwealth of 1651, which finally abolished the monarchy and aristocracy; e.g. the Norman yoke). So then, the fight against feudalism was a bourgeois struggle, with its main economic antagonism being taxation (such as we see in 1776). So, the end of feudalism is primarily political, not economic (economic determinism is an inhuman doctrine that justifies all evil).

Further, the birth of capitalism is given from state intervention upon the rights of land (e.g. "primitive accumulation"), a motion which enriched rural gentry over the urban bourgeoisie; agricultural capital precedes industrial capital, and so evictions from the common land entail the creation of a "proletariat" class. So, capitalism is not a result of economic advancement, but political despotism. Marx only calls capitalism progressive because it disposses people of property and thus centralises authority into a few hands, which he claims breaks up the "mediocrity" of free property. So, 80% of the nation starving means progress? If you want to know how capitalism began in Europe, just see how Europe has colonised other nations; we did it to ourselves first. And the idea of feudal "hierarchy" is nothing compared to capitalist despotism, either.



/siberia/

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Mods are gods edition

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>>774840
temporarily embarrassed rapist

>>774830
Ok man, enough of this, while it is kinda funny to laugh at it's also just super toxic and ruins any possibility of this thread actually achieving anything. Please stop.

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>>774845
are you implying these aren't real arguments?

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daily reminder that women are animals

>>774851
Ok I'll allow that one just because it's cute and I like "sexually bully the dumb nerd" dynamic



/leftypol/

 

How exactly does one avoid being purged after a communist revolution?



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>>2785485
>And Stalin was supposed to know this with ultra-giga Marxist Mindreading?
He clearly was aware of and knew it given that he didnt even really think germany was capable of defeating the western allies in the first place at the time of signing the pact.

>>2785483
>Germany had neither the intention or the capabilities to attack the soviet union 1939 especially not with the western allies at the same time soviet military planners at the time tought it would take many years for them defeat even the western allies if at all
This is very easy to say with hindsight, not to mention completely debatable. The situation was far more complicated and should it have been different they might very well have attacked the soviet union some time between 39 and 41. Regardless of if the soviets thought it would take more or less years at the time, the pact was obviously beneficial to their later war effort
>The claim the pact was signed because the ussr was desperate and scared of germany
Where did I make this claim? I just said it was tactically beneficial to them and put them in a better position when the full scale fighting broke out, which it was and did.
>The pact was signed back in august of 1939 before germany had showed its military capabilities in poland and france and before the ussr's military showed its defincies and weakness in finland and poland
They still knew about the military and ideological threat germany posed lol. While the scale of germany's warmachine and its effectiveness in that regard was not predicted, it's not like the soviets were retarded either

>The molotov ribbentrop pact was not signed as an act of self-preservation and necessity as stalinoids like portraying it but rather out of pure opportunism to grab land in eastern europe without conflict and to take advantage of its enemies conflict with eachother.

You'd have preferred they'd cede all of poland to germany or what?

>Stalin simply miscalculated with the molotov ribbentrop pact

Except it only benefitted him and the soviet union, so that's hardly a miscalculation. You've yet to describe how it was a mistake or how it was negative in any way. I guess if you're really attached to the idea of freely giving territory away to nazi germany then yeah it was a mistake

>>2785487
>The allies never had any intention of allying with nazi germany against the ussr especially after the invasion of poland.
Not from the Soviets' perspective. To the Soviets, it looked like the allies were stalling to make a new deal with Germany with the aim of turning the war against the USSR. It looked like they were laying the ground for another Spanish civil war scenario.

>>2785499
>The situation was far more complicated and should it have been different they might very well have attacked the soviet union some time between 39 and 41.
No they wouldnt germany never had the capability to invade the soviet union before 1941 and the stalin thought they wouldnt have been able to build up the capability to invade until 1942-1943
> just said it was tactically beneficial to them and put them in a better position when the full scale fighting broke out, which it was and did.
Then you're completely wrong as germany was the one in a superior tactical and straregic position when the full scale fighting began as a result o
>They still knew about the military and ideological threat germany posed lol. While the scale of germany's warmachine and its effectiveness in that regard was not predicted, it's not like the soviets were retarded either
Ofcourse they did they just werent aware of the german military capabilities and their own shortcomings
>You'd have preferred they'd cede all of poland to germany or what?
Sure its not like the well being of the polish people has ever been the ussr concern lmao.
>Except it only benefitted him and the soviet union
It benefited germany too and it benefited them a heck of a lot more than it did the ussr.
>You've yet to describe how it was a mistake or how it was negative in any way.
It put germany in a stronger strategic position than soviet union at the outbreak of the war.

>>2785510
>No they wouldnt germany never had the capability to invade the soviet union before 1941 and the stalin thought they wouldnt have been able to build up the capability to invade until 1942-1943
So even with everything they knew and how obvious their supposed lack of intention and capabilities were, the SU still underestimated them and got attacked earlier than they expected? Seems like they weren't concerned enough then

>Then you're completely wrong as germany was the one in a superior tactical and straregic position when the full scale fighting began as a result

It would have been much worse had they not done the pact, the territory, equipment and tactical advantage the pact gave them is undeniably better than if they had not had those things.
>Ofcourse they did they just werent aware of the german military capabilities and their own shortcomings
Yeah, they weren't omnipotent obviously. How is this a point?
>Sure [give all of poland to nazi germany]
Is it really that tough to be against the nazis as an antistalinist?
>It benefited germany too and it benefited them a heck of a lot more than it did the ussr.
No it didn't USSR got the far better end of the deal. Germany was kept from taking all of poland, they only got some basic resources in exchange for valuable machinery and technology. In the end they were crushed and hitler killed himself. A devastating day for you im sure
>It put germany in a stronger strategic position than soviet union at the outbreak of the war.
Debatable, they gained basically nothing decisive from it. Some oil, some grain, shit they could easily acquire through other means/deals. While germany might have benefited by having free reign in the west for a while at the beginning, the territorial acquisitions were more beneficial to the USSR in the end



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Truly the greatest peremoga is no one caring about the damage you're receiving.

>>2785451
What is this

>>2785456
And that is a good thing for Zelensky et. al. and really bad thing for Ukrainians themselves. The wider public truly gives a shit about their plight.

>>2785490
Ukraine blew up another oil storage which is supposed to bankrupt Russia in two week-
>Russia's total oil exports in March jumped to 7.1 million barrels per day
ah, never mind

>>2785497
Alas, despite the recent uptick in violence against recruitoors, the perspective of NAFOids is that until Zelensky and Madam Zelensky are publicly hung upside down ᴉuᴉlossnW-style, the vast majority of Ukrainians MUST be in full support of being violently folded into buses and escalating retaliations. As long as they get a steady stream of FPV drone footage of individual Russian soldiers being killed and reports of strikes on Russian oil facilities, they’re having a whale of a time just as western spectators are.



/leftypol/

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>>2785444
And how!

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burgers

>>2785312
suckers and losers

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>Partisan Defense Committee initiated protest outside South African consulate. Spartacist League, Internationalist Group and others participated, chanting "An injury to one is an injury to all! Hands off Malema & the EFF!"

https://iclfi.org/usa/events/2026-malema

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Bookchin, the man who destroyed marxism and anarchism.
Embrace the final form of revolution: Communalism.

>Marxism: dogmatic and outdated

>Anarchism: lifestylist and radical personal autonomy
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>>2785443
>The only thing that failed in 1989 was the security apparatus and military of the USSR and DDR
It's because they were alcoholics. They were loaded on sausages and Nordhäuser Doppelkorn.

Does Bookchin actually advance a political economy that does away with wages, commodities, private property, etc? Been a while since I read him but from what I remember he was mostly focused on the politics side of things, not economics.

>>2785113
You can't deal with bourgeoisie and capitalist relations single-handedly, it's impossible to achieve socialism in one country alone so otherwise we need proletarian party which can abolish bourgeoisie state and implement new worker's state (DoTP) and since there's still a class division and contradictions there's a need for state which has to suppress any bourgeoisie oppossition.

You can't achieve le communistic relations in one commune alone if you don't want to starve your people, and even if you do create le anarchist (state) commune then it's impossible for it to be in any way a communistic society because it still has to trade with external countries, produce commodities and even has remaining elements of petite-bourgeoisie, every example of anarchism did at best implement radical democracy petite-bourgeoisie state in small area.

Creating counter-hegemonies or other quasi-states which are suppossed to challenge bourgeoisie state, in reality it doesn't actually challenge it and even just conservates it by preventing any means of organising a proletariat in order to overthrow existing state of being.

>>2785450
>But modern anarchism has become too individualistic, trapped under a philosophy that doesn’t allow any sort of organized action as it is considered authoritarian.
Isn't that why Makhno and co split with other anarchists to found platformism?

>>2785450
>Their theory just says to wait for the right moment

This doesn't mean that communist parties aren't actively organising itself and expanding their influence or/and connections among proletariat.

Revolution isn't something that party can trigger at any moment but can lead it.

>Trotsky himself said that if WW2 didn’t trigger a revolutionary response by the workers, a new strategy must be found.


I think Trotsky was wrong, and even if he was right then what strategy we should adopt according to you?



/leftypol/

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>Previous Bake
>>2781447

<Confused name and subject field edition


Latest News
>Ceasefire agreed between Lebanon and Israel
<But it's a special ceasefire where Israel keeps bombing Lebanon
>Trump claims Iran has agreed to not pursue nukes
<Or not who cares
>Oil futures are doing whatever I don't even know
<Can I hold the american government accountable for destroying my last living neuron?

All of this and more tonight on the /iran/ war thread numero fifty nine

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>>2785491
I was told the navy was destroyed???

>>2785491
The straight is out of the closet and more liberated than ever. It's massive and gorgeous.

>>2785430
Look at what they're doing with my poor strait

Repeat after me, fizzleuyghas:

POOL'S CLOSED

$200 OIL

GLOBAL RECESSION

>>2785484
no one's ever seen an opening like it



/siberia/

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Do you guys ever read fiction? What's your favorite genre?
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>>774820
Visual novels or video games with a strong story of that counts, otherwise I read non-fiction and mythology in books

>>774848
>of
if*


>>774820
>Atheist Fantasy
>Philip Pullman instead of H.P. Lovecraft or R R Martin

As Brandon would have said: “C’mon man!”

Wait, Lewis was a protestant? I always though he was Catholic.



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>Kanye West should never have been invited to headline Wireless.

>This government stands firmly with the Jewish community, and we will not stop in our fight to confront and defeat the poison of antisemitism.


>We will always take the action necessary to protect the public and uphold our values.


https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/2041515702855643347

Well that's one 'American boy' we don't want in this country.
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>>2785493

“Economic zones”? You mean like these ones?: https://europeanpowell.substack.com/p/second-empire-building-free-zones

European Powell has done a great job at documenting this sinister agenda.

>>2785493
now that you said it, i do not believe it.

>>2785496
‘Not believe’ in what? Why not?

>>2785493
>le fascism
You are exaggerating the threat
Farage and Lowe are just spicy tories

>>2785498
that these scary right wing populists are gonna be franco 2 or whatever nonsense



/music/

 

Post in this thread every time you come to this board. Post music you like here, whatever it may be.
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CLASS WAR DECLARATION MIX FROM THE THAI LABOUR MUSEUM STORAGE ROOM
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>>16925
good shit

>>16926
thanks



/lgbt/

 

I'm never going to be able to Transition. I don't even know where to start. Hell i'm afraid to even start because of everything that's going on where i live (United States). I just hope that someday ill finally be able to transition and be able to be comfortable in my body.

https://diyhrt.info
You don't even have to tell anyone.

>>8179
You aint getting any younger…
Repping kills the soul



/lgbt/

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I'm not a transhumanist, I'm neurobiologically intersex. I take hormones to confirm my real sex.
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>>8262
Who “you”?

>>8265
nona, your attention whoring is cringe… take ur hrt and lithium then go touch grass

Who's the transhumanist in the OP's picrel?

Why the hell has this board dropped so suddenly in quality? Now its like every single day, 5 threads that arent even worth being their own thread (like this one) are spammed and have absolutely zero value for discussion.

>>8288
Hoping its just a phase



/lgbt/

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I have seen so many Cishet Anons (including me) ask questions on this board but create new threads in doing so. So I decided to make this thread so we don’t have to clutter up the board.
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>>8281
Yeah that is the answer I was expecting, I can't even think of many examples anyways, I know that James Corden got into some controversy but I never saw what thing he was in, I guess Smithers from the Simpsons is gay but and voiced by a straight guy but that was just a joke until they confirmed it like 25 years after the character was introduced.

>>8278
>Is it wrong for straight actors to play queer characters?
Name three leading LGBT actors, you cannot, they are all in the closet. People merely spread rumors about Tom Cruise or whatever

>>8286
So is it fine? Because many say it is okay because there are not as many Gay actors when others say it is bad because the reason why there are not is because straight people keep taking up the gay roles?

>>8276
Unfortunately, yes. Usually only from “cis het” normie moids. Idk why they feel so entitled to this knowledge… like, just learn to be comfortable in the unknown. Chasers are not attractive

>>8286
I mean, have (you) seen Top Gun 1986. Gay as hell



/labor/

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Is it still worth it to learn to code in 2026?
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>>1793
i don't think it's a dead field yet but it certainly isn't what it used to be. like 10, maybe 5 years ago even, you could half-ass it and get your foot in the door then pivot instantly to a sales position, or take some scrum certification and pivot to a managerial position in IT and you'd do really fine, but currently the field is shedding people left and right, and will continue to do so, and you're competing against insane stackhanovists who think working weekends = being highly agentic. atm it's one of the worst fields to work in, as far as office jobs go at least. otoh you could probably get into data engineering who *seems* to have a bit more leverage and a bit more room to grow into highly specialized domains, and it sounds like it could probably suit your analytic mindset.

>>1783
I got into a software engineering bachelors cuz of the "i use computers, like linux and enjoy it" mentality. I like solving issues, troubleshooting, perhaps fixing some lines of code to modify some open source program, but thats it, I despised programming as a whole and dont think im suited for it, which is why I am switching to a bs career of international relations or something like that.

>>1812
The amount of AI bs that gets shoved down your throat in that field is repugnant, and the air of students with a mentality that is summarized to "are we cooked" is also discouraging. Job fairs and networking are a scam as well, you can basically have flawless grades and still be left empty handed.

>>1812
Why not just do tech support? You get to solve problems and not program

>>1814
I worked as tech support too, but it was for an ISP which was literal hell, and a front to do selling as well.



/games/

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helo gamers, i invite u to a fuckin autismic political minecraft server u should come play. we are running factions on 1.21.11 and have a plugin that lets you pick up and throw people. teh texture pack is meant to represent autists across the political spectrum btw.

BILLIONS must play
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im having fun on this serb but it'd be nice if more leftypolanons joined
i know most people here don't really play games though

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>>46518
agree, need more leftyfrens

>>46407
Won't join because I'm low autism score, and by low autism score I mean I use tlauncher

>>46451
make a 'beria thread

>>46540
is there a certain time that u guys join?



/leftypol/

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Unfortunately after choking Cuba for months after starving it for 67 years Trump is probably going to invade Cuba because after getting humiliated by Iran it s clear that this sociopath wants to reestablish his dominance and the American Empires dominance by doing regime change in Cuba, there is no justification for doing this other than the fact that America is a rouge state. It is not looking good for the Cuba because it is obvious that all of the Latin American vassals won't do anything, Putin will probably promise not to do anything in exchange for more of Ukraine, and China will condemn the invasion but China still trades with Israel so they won't do anything. So Cuba is on its own but what will happen because unlike in Venezuela were there was opposition parties and stuff I don't think that the US will be able to work with parts of the government so who knows what they will do, and if there is a state of war the obvious thing to do would be for Cuba do what Iran did and punish the Florida keys but Cuba has no missiles but they have tons of Soviet-era tanks so maybe they will try to retake Guantanamo bay. And technology has advances since the Bay of Pigs invasion so Amerikkka will probably target civilians with drones and since we live in hell all of the Guanos will cheer as Trump blows up their extended family members. But what do you think will happen?
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>>2785276
They are self sustaining except for one thing which kinda makes it not self sustaining, They need oil from other countries to power everything, they are good in every other way but oil, they do have some oil but not much and its very crude and they take environmental protection very seriously also an oil refinery suspiciously caught on fire. so

Probably the same thing that happened Trump invaded Iran and when he invaded Venezuela, i.e. nothing.

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>67 years

>>2785137
Cuban leader will be surgically abducted or killed, replaced with whoever in the party is most amenable to opening up to foreign investment and building a Mar-A-Lago resort in Havana. Everyone wins!

>>2785137
>What will happen when Trump invades Cuba?
Truly nothing. Cuban leadership made it's choice when it chose to be a US/wester tourist resort instead of taking Chinese and Russian energy, trade and infrastructure deals. We have seen how easy they are to choke to death.

In practice they are alone. The good thing is that they are nothing more but a faded symbol of cold war resistance. If anybody could stop US kicking Cuba that is located in US's own backyard it would truly be over for US empire and Cuba would have nothing to worry anyway. At this point they will survive independent only thanks to luck.



/siberia/

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Why did she do it? What is the materialist explanation for this? What would have Lenin cummed differently? Many are asking these questions, and for your attention, I thank you for this matter, even though the body of the female alien might have been too short or too empty.



/siberia/

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How does one break the habit of going to bed at 4am? I don't want half of the daylight wasted when I get up.

>>774827
you don't sleep for the entire day until a "normal" hour then you're allowed to go,you do that until it becomes a habit

stay up all day, going to bed early doesn't ever work

What would you do with the daylight if you woke up earlier? How are you exactly "wasting" it?

>>774827
Umm, have responsibilities like going to work or maybe try set your alarm out of arms reach so you're forced to get up to turn it off.

Fuck that shit, I miss being a night owl and now I wake up at seven in the morning without an alarm on my day off. Fuck the sun.



/leftypol/

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Opinion on Myers-Briggs test?
Outside its use in the corporate work i think it can have uses.
I personaly think it can help on spiritual excercises but i already wanted to know if there is a marxist critique of it
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>>2784917
I need to prepare cyanide in collar or someplace else, if all goes well a bomb implant that tracks my vitals. No one is shooting me without collateral.

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These tests are so fucking dumb; it's next to impossible not to realize what's going on 5 questions in and just start answering based on preferred outcome.

>gee-wilikers I had no idea I was an introvert because I preferred talking a walk alone instead of going to a party

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>>2784741
Im very sorry Leftcom anon, Im so so sorry

>>2781290
I remember doing one those tests, don't think it was Myers-Briggs but something similar, and at the end it told you, among other things, what drug and mental illnesses you were likely to get (LSD and Schizophrenia for me).

>>2785390
what do you mean 'preferred outcome', you're supposed to tell the truth? if you don't do that you can't really blame the test



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>>2784409
>At this rate it will take…. Umm let me calculate…. 1000 years for revolution to happen.
It's actually happening right now on X: The Everything App

>>2785368
>Peak 3rd world bourgeois optics over reality.
I'll show you, I'm going to transition into a right-wing Hindu guy who makes badass music videos like the Spartans in 300.


>>2785058
Those colombian groups are run like businesses and mafias rather than revolutionary orgs, don't get me wrong for random peasants it's much more preferable to be under their thumb than the fascist paramilitaries but I wouldn't put much hope in them.

>>2785449
Naxal gangs were run exactly like that, it depends on Levi (extortion). Police, CRPF and politicians also used to get cut from this extortion money. The naxal cadre are more like employees but you can understand how poorly they were paid from the fact that normal naxal cadres are more than happy to hop on to a job which pays them INR 15k a month.



/siberia/

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Political implications of apple imagination?

I see nothing, just feel the very basic apple vibe and flavor. If you give me a detailed description of a specific apple I can imagine it though.
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Why are we

>>774680
That's the limitation of empiricism. Just because empiricism has a limited scope of applicability it doesn't mean everything outside its domain is "bullshit" or nonexistent. You have terminal anglo-brain if you don't understand this.

>>774627
If human beings were cars, Pat would be the most broken rusted lemon piece of shit ever

>>774680
>because it cannot be empirically verified.
It literally can tho.
>>774785
Souls and other metaphysical bullshit doesnt exist.

>>774806
Your qualia is real, yet empirically problematic, to say the least. Without it you wouldn't be able to do empirical rrsearch either.



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I recently started reading Lukacs's ontology of a social being and my whole understanding of dialectics has been flipped.

Originally, I had read Engels' Anti-Duhring, in which he argues that dialectical analysis is essentially a physical interaction, which, in human societies, translate into different classes fighting for their existence and needs (i.e. the bourgeoisie wants low salaries, the proletariat needs higher salaries, conflict occurs = law of interpenetration of opposites). The argument is very "physicalist" and relies on seeing nature as a totality in constant mutation.

HOWEVER, Lukacs seems to completely disregard this. Instead, his dialectics could be best described by the following : Any individual has multiple possibilities to realize his "teleological acts" (conscious acts aimed at satisfaction of desires/needs/sustenance etc). Alienation occurs when he is constrained by an external cause to choose a possibility unsatisfactory compared to others. As such, the dialectic is essentially a movement between the individual who attempts to overcome this alienation, which translates into class war (proletariat see capitalism as irrational for them, but are forced to endure it => conflict with the bourgeoisie).

So, which is it ? Lukacs' dialectics imo can be reconciled with Engels, but it makes the latter's work appear as very superficial.
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>>2785384
But have I sufficiently proven to you that there is a meaningful difference between an opinion and a proposition?

>>2785392
>But have I sufficiently proven to you that there is a meaningful difference between an opinion and a proposition?
Is there a meaningful difference between an moral proposition and a proposition?

>>2785401
Proposition is the form; morality is the content.

>>2784970
>rapists
Yes ? This is what I’ve been saying : to himself, a rapist ought to rape if he thinks it is good

>preferences

Because preferences are not exactly the same thing as goodness, in the same way that something being « tasy » doesn’t mean it being « preferable ». I’ve already said multiple times that they are similar, albeit with little semantical differences

>As I have already said

Your argument is literally « if I presume my position to be correct, then you are misusing moral language »

>>2785452
>a rapist ought to rape if he THINKS it is good
But is it good? You are reformulating propositions into opinions.
You say "rape is wrong", so why ought a rapist rape? Contradiction.
>preferences are not exactly the same thing as goodness
So what is the difference?
>misusing moral language
Can moral propositions be true and thus non-contradictory?



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As an avid listener of metal, something that frustrates me is the prevalence of chuds and reactionaries in metal (especially black metal). The visibility of guys like Varg and Famine of Peste Noire infamy has colored the public perception of extreme metal as being the domain of edgelord fascists. What are some metal groups that could be said to be socialist, anarchist, or leftist in some manner?

To start things off, I'd highly recommend the Panopticon album "Kentucky," which is a BM album about the state's history with labor organizing among coal miners, as well as the coal industry's destruction of the state's natural beauty. It's not a perfect album by any means but the way it mixes BM with bluegrass is cool, plus it has an incredibly redpilled message.

https://youtu.be/gSObRNcPAv8
https://youtu.be/2zwxEKmoVD4
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Al Namrood, anarchist black metal with folk metal influences from saudi arabia.
Thlipsis, anarchist black metal from Greece
Check out red metal promotion on youtube. They have a ton of left wing metal from different genres and countries.
That‘s all I can contribute to the list, the rest has already been said.

Also, why do even liberals defend NSBM, the shittiest kind of black metal? The great names (Peste Noire, Carpathian Forest, etc) are the only ones to actually make good black metal sometimes. They destroy everything black metal stands for. I recently saw one commenting under a Non Est Deus video „why do you guy never criticize Islam, only Christianity?“

modern metal is pretty cool.

Heres some red metal

>>16902
This is really cool.

Misery Index are /ourguys/ for sure.



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>>774644
The pussy and the ass are the last things to wear out on a woman. More or less. I guess boobs count too.


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I need picture of sexiest teto for research purposes.




/siberia/

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You've been visited by the door knocking chud. Repost this to your page for nothing to ever happen, if you ignore billions will die.
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oh heck yeah

It's kinda crazy how despite this video becoming so viral barely anyone has looked up into this guy's background: Kiwi Farms, /lolcow/ and other similar sites are all empty.
Only person I've seen covering this guy is a middle age true crime tiktoker with like 200 views per video and I learned from her that:
>Real name is Jason Thomas Nichols
>Not an actual military veteran like he claims in the video of his arrest
>Lives right behind the house he tried to break into
>A pregnant woman and her 5 year old son were present inside the house while the whole incident happened
>Jason got additional charges for allegedly "bullying" or "molesting" a minor back in 2025
>Bro was smiling and rolling his eyes back during his entire court hearing, thanked the media for all the attention

>>773958
Maybe this guy kept himself below the radar until he decided to fuck with his neighbor. He couldnt keep his lolcowery in check anymore. Or maybe the neighbors are just used to his behavior already and just choose not to air it more widely.

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General for discussing occultism, magick, meditation, esoteric traditions, including any theories about aliens, ufos, etc.
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>>47509
>Aristotle says the prime mover is at the rim of the cosmos, circular in motion, so that would explain the movement of the planets
The Ancients distinguished between the realm of fixed stars (e.g. Zodiac) and the orbits of the seven planets ("planet" meaning "wandering star"). We can read Plato's cosmology and astrology, such as in Republic, Book X:
<they saw the ends of the chains of heaven let down from above: for this light is the belt of heaven, and holds together the circle of the universe, like the under-girders of a trireme. From these ends is extended the spindle of Necessity, on which all the revolutions turn […] The first and outermost whorl has the rim broadest, and the seven inner whorls are narrower […] The largest (of fixed stars) is spangled […] Now the whole spindle has the same motion; but, as the whole revolves in one direction, the seven inner circles move slowly in the other […] The eight together form one harmony; and round about, at equal intervals, there is another band, three in number, each sitting upon her throne: these are the Fates, daughters of Necessity
Notice the terminology; "one harmony", like "universe". We further see the "three mothers", as reproduced in mythology, such as the Norse Norns, or the Gaelic Morrigan. I find that we also have the three mothers in the Bible, such as Jacob's three wives, who give birth to the 12 tribes of Israel (12 signs of the Zodiac). The three mothers are also spoken of in the earliest kabbalistic literature, such as the Sepher Yetzirah (~120 CE):
<The Foundation of all the other sounds and letters is provided by the Three Mothers, Aleph, Mem and Shin […] The Three Mothers, Aleph, Mem and Shin, are the Foundation, from them spring three Fathers, and from these have proceeded all things that are in the world.
So then, this appears to be an esoteric truth. What is still interesting in Plato's account is the direction of motion he assigns to the "bands" (or "spheres"); he says that the inner seven turn one way and the fixed stars another, which is wholly reconciled with his previous comments in Statesman, regarding the Golden Age of the poets:
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Here I have compiled and edited the essential canon of o9a Literature, from the period of (1974 - 2012), with an appendix of work from (2013 - 2019). Texts include:
  • Emanations of Urania (1974)
  • Vindex (1976 - 1984)
  • Deofel Quartet (1976 - 1992)
  • The Sinister Tarot (198?)
  • Codex Saerus (1983 - 1990)
  • Hell (1984)
  • The Culling Texts (1984 - 1990)
  • Quintessence of Satanism (1988)
  • Naos (1989 - 2008)
  • Star Game: History and Theory (1988)
  • Satanic Letters (1990 - 1992)
  • Hostia (1992)
  • Aeonic Magick (1994)
  • Eira (1998)
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Along with the o9a (1974 - 2012), I have also compiled the work of Tempel ov Blood. Texts include:
  • Discipline/Altars/Apex (2004)
  • Tales of Sinister Influence (2006)
  • Liber 333 (2008 - 2013)
  • Iron Gates (2014)
  • Bluebird (2017)
  • Beast Barracks (2015 - 2018)

After Martinet Press (the publisher of ToB) shut down in 2020, Sutter established "Agony's Point Press" with a new group called The Satanic Front. Here is the blog:
https://agonyspoint.substack.com/
The work is much diminished from prior quality, and popularity is probably naturally low due to Sutter being exposed as a fed (while paradoxically being a true believer). The o9a subculture seems mostly dead. The ultimate sign of which was Chloe Ortega's transference of o9a.org in 2022 to Brett Stevens, who hasn't made a new post in over a year. Chloe edited a Zine from 2014 to 2020, and has seemed to scrub her presence off of the web since her retirement. David Myatt still has a blog, but no longer discusses o9a:
https://davidmyatt.wordpress.com/
I would say that the Danyal Hussein case is the nail in the coffin (2021); he murdered two women, and his connection to o9a Satanism was reported by the BBC:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-59103568
Another Satanist, E.A. Koetting, also got caught in this, who is associates with Michael W. Ford, an early contributor to both the o9a and Tempel ov Blood (the importation of Choronzon into the Tempel ov Blood may have been his innovation, since he concurrently writes of Choronzon in Book of the Witch Moon, 2006).

>>47512
>The question then arises, can God create a thing he cannot lift?
My hunch is ,He/She/It/ They *could*, but that would be the pretty much the same as winking out of existence, and taking the universe with them. (Since God can't be subordinate to anything else, not even logic, in a medieval, and after, view.
Not necessarily in Bronze/Iron Age view, though.
In the Caananite Ba'al cycle, the creator god, El, when the fighting starts is indisposed with a dodgy liver. Or as you point out
>Epicurus decides that an all-powerful and all-good God is impossible, yet still pertains to a belief in limited and finite Daimons.
I say *could* because otherwise the God would be subordinate to the rules of logic. Because in theory they're the origin of the rules of logic, they haven't. If that makes any sense?( I feel as I'm butting up against the limits of my understanding of medieval theology myself here.)
>they can only be some kind of disembodied mind.
>This is an even stranger assertion, since how can a mind create anything except what is mental?
Because in an Aristotlean view everything in physical existence is made up of two things: Form, and Matter. A sugar cube and a dice have the same form, but different matter. But matter is never found on it's own, it always takes some Form or another. Matter and Form are different things, but are never found on their own, separately. The only time this is not true is when they are indeed purely mental, when they are concepts in the mind. So if there is a prior cause of the physical universe that must be there , a mind.
We can think about 3 dimensional squares ,cubes, we can also think about Matter in itself.
Why must there must there be a non physical, but mental, cause, of the physical universe?
Because if it is a physical cause, something else must have brought it into existence, so it's not a first cause.
So it's a bit of a head fuck. But the alternative makes less sense. There must be a first cause ,otherwise the causes are stretching back into infinity,which is really the same as saying there is no cause.
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>>47519
>They *could*, but that would be the pretty much the same as winking out of existence
But as I say, what would it mean to create a void in reality? It it is inconceivable to subtract from Nature.
>Since God can't be subordinate to anything else, not even logic
This then brings us back to the Euthyphro problem; if God is beyond morality, why is his authority good? It cannot be, unless the Good precedes him; thus it is written that of the first things God created, they were "good", and so God is subordinate to this principle. Thus, we derive authority from the Law (e.g. Torah) rather than its author. In the Book of John, we further see that God creates via the medium of Logos - which must make things good, and so all creation is inherently ordered. Both a synonymity and antinomy is attributed between Theos and Logos, like Plato's "moving image of eternity" or the Hermetic cosmos (e.g. "Son of God"). We do see in Nicene christianity, the doctrine of Trinity, yet this makes God have parts by internal contradiction, and so limiting his being to what is conditional. God thus fails to be unconditional, since he is defined by what is good. Lao Tzu avoids this problem with the Tao, since defines the Tao as preceding both God and morality, making the first principle both (i) impersonal  and (ii) unconditional. He immediately runs into the Parmindean problem however, that knowledge of the thing cannot be grasped (like the Fish which cannot know what water is). Tao is called "The Way", and so is inherently mediating, like how "Spirit" (e.g. "breath of life") is elemental of air. Christ is also explicitly referred to as a medium. We see in the Iliad, Zeus show inferiority to Nyx (Night), a primal goddess who features in some creation myths. Primal forces, like elements, are either created or uncreated. It is not clear in any account whether God created matter, or simply transformed eternal matter into forms, so Chaos (e.g. the primordial and formless unity of the elements) may precede the gods (this is a presocratic view, which is referred to by Aristotle as materialist). If the gods did come from Chaos (as espoused in many myths) then whence cometh form from the formless?
>So if there is a prior cause of the physical universe that must be there , a mind.
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A thread focused on discussing the parasocial relationships cultivated by the Almighty Algorithm to generate profit off of our atomization and society's commodification of petty internet drama.
Brace through the hyper-real lacanian void together!

Reminder That None of This Is Real!
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CORE THEORY
>The Society of the Spectacle (1967) by Guy Debord
📖 • https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/debord/society.htm
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0blWjssVoUQ

<The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction (1936) by Walter Benjamin

📖 • https://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/ge/benjamin.htm
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>>2785151
get this shit outta here

>>2785327
Is ER Eliot Rodger? I don't know what TCC might be.

>>2785151
I'm sorry kid, but I'm not watching this. Also you should wait until your parents are gone one day so you don't have to whisper in the middle of night while they are asleep when recording.

>>2785346
I don't know either but Iraq is shaping up to be ground zero of the coming nihilist femboy revolution.

>>2785151
You will never be a billionaire and Trump and the bourgeoisie will stab you in the back even if you cheer for them because they only see you as a useful idiot.



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Dump all the seemingly pointless, dubious, and frivolous questions that don't deserve their own shitty threads.

Got a question that's probably been asked a million times before? You're in the right landfill, buddy. Post it here.

Threads that otherwise might go in here will eventually find themselves become merged to this thread.

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>>2785045
We ARE controlled by computers

Is mayonaise bourgeois?

>>2785410
Only if it's white

Who invented capitalism?

>>2785412
Donald Trump



/siberia/

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Since you f@gs let the last thread die i’m making a new one

Post tits: big, small, natural, fake, saggy, flat, milfs; any woman with breasts, post ‘em

(Preferably not ai, unless they’re good quality)
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Chubby asian girls >>>>>>>>

>>770061
Name on 3rd girl, the one in bed with striped socks?

>>774102
Do you happen to have more?


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