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>>2104244I mean, ultimately it comes down to Ukraine's rate of loss.
30k troops are recruited every month, of which up to 18k desert (200k desertions last year), and around 12k+ are rendered casualties.
Ukraine has roughly 480k of land left, Russian advances accelerate at about 50 square km per month, Ukraine has roughly 40 months left.
What time?
>>2104268[Verse]
Out in the cylinder
Where the sunlight's a dream
North Korean shadows run
Silent as a stream
They flee from the metal
From the earth's mighty hand
Ukrainian tanks roaring
Protecting their land
[Chorus]
Cowards in the night
Losing strength for the fight
Ukrainian steel
With a heart of iron might
North winds are blowing
Away their dark schemes
In the O'Neill cylinder
Where bravery gleams
[Verse 2]
Fields of green and gold
Not touched by their fear
Tales of courage echo
For all people to hear
Tigers on the prowl
Roaring loud through the air
Soldiers keep on running
Lost in their despair
[Chorus]
Cowards in the night
Losing strength for the fight
Ukrainian steel
With a heart of iron might
North winds are blowing
Away their dark schemes
In the O'Neill cylinder
Where bravery gleams
[Bridge]
Legends written in the stars
Of those who stand tall
A tale of tanks and valor
In the cosmic hall
No shadows can conquer
Where the brave hearts lead
Cowards keep on fleeing
From the righteous creed
[Verse 3]
Glory in the land
Where the sunlight's a dream
Heroes rise from ashes
Conquerors supreme
North Korean phantoms
Vanish in the light
In the cylinder's cradle
Dawn breaks the night
https://suno.com/song/a31020ee-6251-4daa-86af-bdec7399b869 >>2104354Ukraine is unable to replenish its losses, they're sending even hiv patients, by now only half of what they need can be drafted. I told you before, by may Ukraine will be begging for peace, if Putin doesn't cuck out, by July, Ukraine will be abandoning it's posts, by october, Ukrainian military will be a gang, armed with ak-47, sick, and drugged. They have more chance of turning on themselves, than turning it around.
>>2104362by that point the French, the Poles, and probably the Germans will be there if not even America
Russia should sue for peace immediately and try to keep Luhansk, Donetsk and Crimea.
>>2104464you have such violent fantasies bruh
it can't be healthy
>>2104481>>Le drunk orcspeople pick up bad vices after service yes
>>muh asiatic mooslim migrantsit is a real thing but oh well
>>2104480The word violent is violent to you uh
Overdosing on your daily estrogen intake again, I see
>>2104481Cops and soldiers are obedient dogs by definition, gape harder, transhumanist.
russian village idiots indeed tend to be drunks, le orc thing is just your gaping wound spin from acknowledging reality.
Central asians are indeed asians and muslims
>>2104481Germany is in a prolonged recession in the middle of industrial collapse
https://infobrics.org/post/42921, threatening to take the EU down with it. From France to England, financial problems worsening. Meanwhile, Russia just grew 4.1% in 2024, and is re-industrializing through import replacement. After wars end, fertility rates always increase, russian fertility rate is projected to rise from 1.6% to 1.8% by 2029, that along with increased life expectancy + migration from an increasingly impoverished Europe, will solve the problem.
>>2104410It's fairly reasonable; it implies they've taken between 250 to 333 deaths.
Wounding can range from losing a limb to a papercut, remember.
Michael Roberts documents the crisis of imperialism quite well
https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/2024/12/31/forecast-2025-roaring-or-tepid/
>2024 was the year of elections. There were 40 national elections, covering 41% of the world’s population and representing 42% of global GDP. And my forecasts for the outcomes in these were also pretty accurate. On the most important, the US presidential election, this is what I said: “there is no certainty about who will win; or whether Biden will actually stand again; or whether either Trump or Biden would even serve another full term.” So not very clear, but at least not wrong. Biden did not stand, Trump won (narrowly on the popular vote) and we don’t know if he will serve a full term.
>The results of other elections were much more easily predicted: the UK, India, Indonesia, South Korea, Taiwan, South Africa came out as forecast. The surprises were the victory of a leftist party in Sri Lanka and the victory of the left as the largest party in the snap election in France. Nearly everywhere, the incumbent governments lost vote share and/or were defeated; and voter turnout was down, revealing the disillusionment of citizens with all the mainstream political parties. That trend is likely to continue in 2025 with elections in Germany, Canada, Australia, Czech and Norway; and in Latin America too (Ecuador, Chile and Bolivia).
>What about the economy? 2024 ended with six out of the top seven capitalist economies either in stagnation or in outright recession, as measured on the basis of gross domestic product (GDP). And when measured on GDP per person, then even the US, the best performing of the G7 economies, did not do so well, while the rest were all stagnant at best. The reason for that was not an increase in populations through births and deaths, but through net immigration [my note: a band aid fix leveraging the privileged place in the world economy to deal with its hollowing out effect]. Immigration boosted the labour force and national output in 2024 in the US, the UK, Australia and Canada. The long depression that started after the Great Recession of 2008-9, resumed after the pandemic slump of 2020 and continued in 2024.Post 2008 conditions and the crises accumulated will continue to merge and become more difficult to solve
>>2104591>In the first half of 2024, real wages remained lower than in 2019 before the pandemic in Germany, France, Italy and the UK, as well as in Japan and South Korea. Real wages were higher in the US, but only by 1.4% [my note: this is stratified by income level and carried a lot by those up the ladder]. Indeed, real wages in some countries—the UK, Japan and Italy—remain below levels recorded in 2008, the year of the Great Recession! By contrast, Chinese real wages were up 27% from 2019, while Brazil also recorded a big rise. >>2104596Between this and what I posted we can probably guess the post covid world has been one of political, economic, and strategic stagnation for the first world
I had a very prominent professor tell me recently, frustrated with my decline diagnosis, that America won the war in Ukraine because Russia reinforced its position as the primary security guarantor in the world. This is a funny way of saying it made the West never more united yet never more isolated, while completely undoing the sino Soviet split then making its ripples intersect with the global south's dissatisfaction and wavering. On net it means yes it's a security guarantor again - for an international system nobody outside of Europe believes strongly in. Israel only makes that worse.
In short, on the local level a strategic victory that exposes strategic bankruptcy in the big picture
>>2104730Ukraine will not collapse. That is zigger coping huffing the potent russian bullshit. Ukraine is losing and has lost and will lose, as was expected by literally everyone everywhere from day one. But the US will keep funding them. Just as much as needed to make it hard for the Russians.
Its really that simple. For ukrainians who fell for the bullshit it is now existential. The leadership at best will get in jail for corruption, at worst it is going to get hanged. So they will continue bussification. The burgers will not give Ukraine to the Russians easy. Why would they do that?
>>2104416Ukraine was literally handing out guns to whoever would take them three days into the SMO. Since then the Volksturm of middle-aged men has been the only thing that allowed Ukraine to hold on.
NATO analysts are constantly seething that the age of most Ukrainian units means they are only good for sitting in a trench. Recruiting children like the Nazis did would actually be an improvement in combat capability.
>>2104354The claim that the objective of the SMO was the subjugation of Ukraine is an invention of NAFOids. It is completely at odds with the stated SMO objectives and the forces initially deployed by Russia.
Russia wanted a re-run of Georgia 2008 where the threat to the capital would bring negotiations and defacto acceptance of existing territorial occupation.
>>2104957I knew a retard like you would mention that,
https://www.populationpyramid.net/ukraine/1994/ , population of Ukraine peaked in 1994 at 52m, it has declined ever since 25m + 32m = 57m. is the number
57 lower than 52 ?
>>2104980would you still make time to post your moral takes when there was genuine threat of a bullet hitting your skull or would you try to enjoy life while you still had it
don't bother answering; this is a materialist website
Some retard on this board laughed when I estimated the population of Ukraine as 17 million 1 month ago. now a polish publication reaches a similar conclusion; Ukraine has 25 m, of its pre-war 40m, living outside.
https://wiadomosci.wp.pl/sprowadza-ukraincow-do-domow-jasne-stanowisko-wladz-7111328077040352a About 6.5 million fled to the EU
About 9.5 million fled to Russia
8 million people live in the DPR, LPR, Kherson, Zaporizhia regions, which are under Russian control.
A million killed. Less than 15 million people remain in Ukraine.
https://t.me/breege_time_20zz/42610 .
The only population census published by Ukraine is from 2001, at 48m, from 52m in 1994. Unlike Russia, Ukraine never managed to recover its economy or fertility rate, and continued to decline, accelerating after the civil war started in 2014. 2001 : 48m , 2013 : 45m , 2014 : 42m , 2021: 38m (according to Arestovich). According to dmitri-kovalevich, since Feb 2022, over 6m went to EU, over 7m to Russia, over 1m to other countries. Over 5m are in Russian held areas + over 2m died from natural decline worsened by the war, some 800k Kia = ~ 16 million left.
>>2104851I mean the 15 million calculations are overly optimistic / pessimistic. 25-30 million's a more reasonable figure for what's left.
That said, tbh, I'm still somewhat surprised the Russians haven't actually embraced democidal policies given Ukraine's demographic collapse.
The Ukrainian birth rate has collapsed and even with a Ukrainian victory, Ukraine doesn't have long for this earth as a consequence; Ukies take 500k non-military deaths a year.
>>2105049I would think Europe would want the cheap labor to depress wages in Europe, not help Ukraine after it has fallen, failed and been sucked dry. Those who will return will go to the Russian areas, because there will be more opportunity to build a life than in the western parts.
Remember neither Washington or Brussels actually care about Ukraine, like really care. They will loot the place if they can, but they won't rebuild it. Mostly because they cant's afford it and there will be no viable place for strong western minded Ukraine. Ukraine's industrial base and mineral wealth is lost or will be lost after the war, Russia will be sitting on it's transport artery of Dniepre and Ukraine might even end up landlocked. There is nothing but cost for the west. Only real reason to prop up rump Ukraine might be if they are deluded enough to think that they just have to split up Ukraine and they can get another cold war West- and East-German style win over Russia in 20-30 years. Just because western style liberalism is always bound to win and all they need is more time.
>>2105096the current collective selfshitting of german automaking can be directly traced to it
construction continentwide was also somewhat fucked after covid and having no fucking steel to build with (fond memories of having to calculate how to build an office out of assorted cold rolled steel elements because ordering more was about impossible. shit was like a jigsaw puzzle.)
can't do solar panel mounting or wind energy or much of anything in terms of turbines without steel, neither. people just don't realize how bad it really is.
>>2105111I honestly don't get it. Germany has no tariffs on Chinese steel, and Chinese steel is in freefall due to the death of the property bubble in China.
What's killing Germany is high energy prices due to the Ukraine War, and Germany long-term can switch to Chinese solar + battery as a replacement for Russian energy.
>>2105150In China, it's like 20 cents per watt or 1.5-3 cents per kWh of solar, and 1-2 cents for battery storage.
Germany doesn't have available empty land, and cost of installation is much higher, which is why I'm saying it's a long-term solution to break free of American Scylla and Russian Charybdis.
>>210509230 million ? You're an idiot literally paroting the number the Zelenski government gives.
Ukraine had 37m before the war (not counting crimea)
https://www.worldeconomics.com/Population/Ukraine.aspx Over 6m went to the EU
https://www.frontex.europa.eu/media-centre/news/news-release/update-on-ukraine-more-than-6-million-refugees-cross-eu-s-borders-xgNX2Q Over 0.5m to other places, and over 5m to Russia
https://tass.com/world/1704667. Over 2 million are estimated to have died from natural population decline ,worsened by the war, + KIA. The population living in russian held Ukraine is around 5m-7m depending on the source, let's say 5.
37 - 6 - 5 - 1 - 2 - 5 = 18 million.
>>2105181I mean it's overly optimistic; accurate death tolls are opsec.
The UN estimated 42 million prewar, Russia annexed 5 million, 6 million refugees to EU, 5 million to Russia, about 26 million left.
Natural demographic decline is less than 1 million.
So, you can assume 20-30 million left in Ukraine.
>>2105183Western sources for Ukraine population are often inflated
https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/ukraine-population/ But let's suppose the 42m from UN, that's including Crimea - 2m = 40m. Ukraine natural population decline was 200k-300k per year, it worsened along with living conditions, due to war ~ 350k, that would give ~ 1m, Kia is 700k - 800k, total ~ 1.8m. 40 - 1.8 - 5 - 6 - 5 - 0.5 (neither EU/Russia) 21m at most, not 30m (even the Ukrainian Government only estimates 28m)
>>2105100I remember reading something about North Korea outpacing western artillery production. Ok I found it;
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/29/us/pentagon-ammunition-ukraine-russia.html>“Let’s say a year and a half from now both the U.S. and Europe are making, or buying, over a million shells each,” he added. “That’s still probably less than Russia is going to produce this year.”https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/2023-11-06/national/northKorea/Expert-says-North-likely-to-ramp-up-production-of-shells-for-Russia/1907006>the North can produce around 2 million 152-millimeter shells per year,” he said.The fuck are they putting in western arty? Liquid gold? Liquid nitrogen to overclock a raspberry pi running a gyro?
>>2105224Back in the days of WW2, Germans were /k/oping with their bad production rates by claiming that their tanks and shells were state of the art (meaning made by hand). While Russians and Americans were welding armor plates, Germans were using bolts and nails
This time, however, we have a situation where both Russians and Americans are using the same 50 years old Austrian metalwork machines, but Russians are outproducing USA 5-10 to 1
>>2105223 (me)
It might be a smart play actually. They can count on Democrats hating Trump, and they're going to let Trump's own base turn on him (as with the H1B shit), particularly the tech bros like David Sacks & co. who clearly have no love for the Zelensky regime.
>>2105200Solar is build up front, extract energy for 25 years, batteries is build up front, extract energy for 10 years.
Compare Russian gas: if you cut the lines, it's gone.
>>2105208I for one, fully support the greens and hope they win.
(That's the only way europe will ever learn.)
>>2105229Today I learned gas storage doesn't exist.
>>2105237Panels are solid-state.
The thing is, the 25/10 year lifespans are to 80% capacity, so you actually have extremely gradual degradation if supplies get cut.
>>2104659Literal western media says Russia outproduces all of NATO on shells by a lot, and at the very least it's outproducing the Yuros in terms of tanks and vehicles(it might also outproduce the US atm, but I don't know that for sure). The only delusional people here are chauvinists like you. You just apriori assume superiority, even if it's not there and also always underestimate your opponents because you never actually learn anything about them except whatever slopaganda you can still keep straight in ur head.
>>21052381. Yes, genius, we know. Just cuz they have no moving parts, doesn't mean they don't need maintenance.
2. Actually efficient solar farms have the panels track the sun to get the best angle, so there's your moving parts back in the equation.
>>2105293Iirc most modern panels are bifacial static panels, because guess fucking what? Module prices dropped off a cliff courtesy China.
The problem is more the battery side, because the batteries for winter and nighttime use will only last 10 years, then rapidly drop off a cliff.
Still, IIRC, German projections showed that panels with batts are the cheapest source of energy for Germany in 2024, with LCOE in the 4-8 cents range.
American Natgas is in the 3.75 cent range, mind you.
>>2105259But when computed, the cost is very competitive with American natgas in Ameristan, and the nonpanel materials can be produced in Europe.
I mean, end of the day, there's likely another 50% price reduction incoming in module costs, and we saw battery costs drop by 50%, with another 50% drop probable.
Long-term, Chinese solar will eat American frackgas's lunch.
>>2105225Russia went and bought a whole bunch of new manufacturing machinery for this.
>Russia’s advanced machine tool imports soar
>Elsewhere, the report also highlighted a significant increase in Russian imports of a class of advanced machine tools critical to Moscow’s military production since the start of the war.
>Russia imported $189 million of “computer numerical control” machinery between January and October 2023, according to KSE analysis. It marks an 88% increase versus pre-war levels, with the majority of these tools coming from Western coalition countries.
>CNC machines are automated industrial tools widely used in the aerospace, automotive and defense industries. Their applications can include the production of weapon hulls, aircraft parts, missile and drone components, and microelectronics.
>Such goods became the target of U.S. and EU sanctions in late 2023, making it more complicated and expensive for Russia to obtain them. However, new indications suggest that China may be stepping in to plug that gap.
>Chinese shipments to Russia of CNC tools have increased tenfold since the start of Moscow’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine, according to an FT analysis of Russian trade data released last week.https://www.cnbc.com/2024/01/11/sanctioned-western-tech-is-still-entering-russia-and-powering-its-war.htmlhttps://c4ads.org/reports/war-machine/ Wrt German industry getting rekt by US gas prices, this feels like just part of a wider effort since 2022 for the US to close ranks on its vassals in the face of this situation (de-dollarisation, multipolarity, attacking NATO interests, etc) because the illusion of freedom and choice for these nations depends on the US feeling little threat from any corner of the world which has now started to falter.
Germans therefore cannot be buying energy from anyone outside US influence, Sweden and Finland cannot claim to be neutral anymore and the UK electing a government that although really, REALLY isn't left-wing, it wasn't far-right, pro-US and pro-Israel enough to tolerate and hence Elon Musk, a-soon-to-be US official is actively trying to foment some kind of far-right coup via X.
Honestly, if there is some kind of European porky separatism at some point in the future, I think libs and NAFOids are going to need their own equivalent word for "tankie" as US tanks pour out of their European bases Prague Spring style.
>>2105409>Ukrainian Armed Forces report>The United States estimates Yawn.
Just look at the mediazona one you tard, it's the most accurate.
>>2105371There was a video from an ammo plant in Russia, that used an Austrian metalwork machine. It was clean, white factory, with shells on conveyors and such
Then there was a video from a factory that was American pride or something. It was all gray-brown-green and rusty, it featured the same type of a metalwork machine, and shells were worked on by hand, lol
>>2105134porky have become global
europorkies dont really care about national industry and wealth anymore, because their capital is largely invested abroad now, and their local stock market is similarly dominated by foreign capital, so the country can crumble for all they care, their interests arent local anymore, they will just move their investment elsewhere
and apparently, ramblings about immigration are enough to be seen as an "alternative" and people are fine with getting fucked as long there's a scapegoat more fucked than them
>>2105100>Russia is outproducing all of NATO and the U.S in terms of ammunition, rockets, and tanksSo NATO out produces Russia in all of the rest
>>2105099>Russia has such a vast advantage in material over the AFUAs evidenced by the three villages they took last year
>>2105734>dugin is a naziactual retard
>>2105730>NATO out produces Russia in categories irrelevant to conventional waralso hopelessly retarded
>>2105761nice false flag kek
>>2105759he's not a fascist either, he's a classic reactionary.
>>2105787if class struggle has polarized society, yea, the distinction means little. but this is looking at it in a very specific historical conflict where frankly even liberals and, if you're stalin, social democrats are on one side.
in the greater sum of history, dugin's ideas are nothing new and much more typical of the reactionary right that long defined it, well before socialist class struggle or capitalist modernity altogether. this is why these forces lost to fascists, such as in germany. if you consider dugin a fascist you're going to be confused why he's lumping together fascism, liberalism, and marxism in ramblings about modernism and how anti-human these ideologies are. this is very typical of a conservative reactionary.
these mistakes are related to why the left misdiagnosed neoconservatism as fascist due to leo strauss, although granted he actually had an idea of rebirth from decay via war.
>>2105734>literally innocent talking points from a conference>>2105757>[it's about] resources and landHave you been living under a rock the last decade?
>>2105764Dugin is completely irrelevant to Kremlin policy making, fyi.
>>2105809>all capitalism is nazismoh, child
>>2105811>Evola said similar shit but I see no reason to distinguish him from other fascists.evola is another example to me, in fact he's key to how i read dugin, due his views of regressive devolution of the modern state, and restoration of some premodern caste system associated with theocracies and ancient empires rather than the state's rebirth through national supremacy and war. he didn't even believe in the nation-state, let alone its 'organic' corporatism, although it suggests similar views about the materialism of modernity. Fascists believed they represented democracy's transformation into Caesarism, a revolution against the revolution, conservative reactionaries like Evola believed in no such process. They didn't believe in historical progress at all and saw modernity, fascism and its mass politics included, as built on a bubble.
for the record liberal thinkers analyzing fascism like hannah arendt or jeffrey herf recognize the distinction i'm making and a popular way to see fascism is as 'reactionary modernism', essentially a synthesis meaning using the tools of modernity against itself (thus the syncretism unique to fascism), which is definitely not evola or dugin. these people are not interested in modern states at all.
in short, fascism is modernity's 'dark twin' found uniquely in a few places in the world, whereas reactionaries stretch across history and place, commonly representing regression to the mean of history and its short chapter of modernity.
missing these distinctions has a couple key issues including as it relates to the ukraine conflict
1. while this is nitpicking, you're not critiquing the bourgeois state and how it relates to history fully, therefore not completely understanding its crises. in party tactics this distinction means little because you club both, in writing that has to compete with other writings rigor is needed
2. you're missing why conservatives and nazis in ukraine do not fully align and why the threat of a third maidan came from the latter. when ukraine became an international training hub of the far-right, it was a kind of racial nationalism at work that is pretty distinct from the more basic euronationalist decommunizing politics of the west ukrainian conservatives. the west's primary reliance on the latter allows it to operate indirectly with ukraine's nazis with plausible deniability.
3. you're missing how europe put itself in a contradictory position of arguing russia simultaneously cannot become a european nation-state, in fact is a separate (mixed) race altogether, yet also practices a form of european racial supremacism (nazism) defined explicitly in contrast to russians (in ways that echo these views of russia as unable to form a european nation-state). the proof of this being dugin, a figure long overrelied on in an incoherent infowar that emerges after 2014 and now scrambles western internal politics
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2025/01/who-benefits-from-russias-war-in-ukraine.html<Who Benefits from Russia’s War in Ukraine
>Yves here. This piece is a useful addition to understanding the practical effects of the war in Ukraine, as in who gained economically. The study determined that the sanctions were a big backfire in terms of one of the expressed intents, that of punishing the politically most influential Russians, presumed to consist largely of the very rich, so the would revolt against Putin. Instead, many made out well by being able to acquire Western operations at bargain prices, such as brand name franchises, and launch Russian clones using those assets. Indeed, a few are allegedly more successful than the former enterprises. The Russian McDonald’s successor Vkusno i tochka (which per machine translation means “Delicious and that’s it”) apparently has better tasting food (and perhaps also an improved menu). It also acknowledges that demand within Russia has increased since the war started, again favoring top businessmen.
>Mind you, that does not mean some high income Russians were not hurt by the sanctions. But my impression (and readers can correct me) are the ones hardest hit were professionals and small businesses that had strong ties to Europe, such as in had European clients or advised on Russia-Western business operations. This cohort would presumably be the most European-leaning of the Russian middle class. That group had long been problematic for Putin, since it was large enough for Putin to need its support. It was also generally Western-leaning (aspirational shopping, travel, and the Russian tendency to see itself as behind the West and its educated classes to see familiarity with European art and literature as a proof of being cultured). So having the most diehard Europe loyalists decamp to Europe and others witness the rabid outbreak of hostility to Russia across the US and Europe (such as barring Russian athletes and artists from performing) was another shock that worked in Putin’s favor. >>2105761You are actually right. To bad the retards on this board will not agree to truth when it shoots them in the head. I for one agree to cooperate with fascist comrades against nazis.
Whos with me?
>>2106067This, imagine thinking Ukrainians getting kidnapped to be slaughtered wholesale after being sent untrained to the front to NOT join NATO, but with massive verbal encouragement to continue anyway by its constituent members because it protects
their freedom and democracy when Russian soldiers die, suggests anything about this situation was voluntary on the behalf of the average Ukrainian.
>>2105734>Latin America is no longer western colonies but rising giantslol, lmao even
if you're latino country isn't gigacucked to american interests then it's under siege (and losing)
>>2106059…
I wonder what it'll be like if a Thanos AI voice read intbrig's posts.
>>2106165Over the past 35 years has been non stop victory for the US, I once talked to a serb, who told me that the government of the republic of yugoslavia, was willing
to do everything the US told it, if only they were allowed to keep serb majority areas. During the 1990s, the whole world bowed to the US, NATO was bombing even when Lukashenko was there, and almost downed his plane. Milosevic was depressed because he knew no one could stand up to the US, and there would be no fair trial if the US didn't want it.
>>2106264net launchers aren't all that expensive and jamming can be as simple as blasting them with broad-band EMF.
dunno about GPS jammers. Lasers are just used for a number of point defenses anyway.
There's also the shotgun method.
>>2106043it's where my country's neo-nazis were trained, it's literally the mecca of nazism for scum all around the globe
death to cuckraine, no ifs and buts
Misposted in wrong thread.
MULTI KILL
<Music>Sometimes I like to pretend I'm playing Metal Gear>>2106264>>2106335>>2106427This thread had some interesting info on drones.
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/493095754/#q493104484>About the drones.>1. I use a drone detector and just hide in cover (bushes, trenches, etc.) when it starts beeping.>2. We work only at night and only in pairs.>3. I have a raincoat that hides the heat.>4. Mavics are easy to shoot down with a machine gun. There are muzzle brakes on Kalashnikovs, so that the bullet breaks into fragments and it is easier to hit the drones. >>2106651why are there so many videos of 1v3, 2v1, 1v1? Do Slavs not know how to do military tactics?
legitimately feels like only like 1% of the army is even fighting the rest are shooting up heroin in a foxhole somewhere
>>2106699>why are there so many videos of 1v3, 2v1, 1v1? Do Slavs not know how to do military tactics?No, I don't think it's that, they adapted for this kind of war, as there are so many drones flying around, larger groups are easier to spot, and once they get spotted they all die. Better to go in small groups to try and rush a position really fast, or by using motorcycles, like motorized World War I stormtroopers.
>>2105811>Evola said similar shit but I see no reason to distinguish him from other fascists.>>2105903>for the record liberal thinkers analyzing fascism like hannah arendt or jeffrey herf recognize the distinction i'm making and a popular way to see fascism is as 'reactionary modernism', essentially a synthesis meaning using the tools of modernity against itself (thus the syncretism unique to fascism), which is definitely not evola or dugin. these people are not interested in modern states at all. I think it's splitting over hairs. But yes I think you're right to see similarities between Dugin and Evola. And doesn't Dugin draw heavily from Evola in his own philosophy? Evola was a Dadaist who didn't like rationalist and materialist bourgeois culture, but he never joined the fascist party in Italy and didn't like its statist qualities. I read he didn't place much emphasis on biological racism either (unlike the Nazis) but rather placed the emphasis on spirituality and culture. He was appreciated by radical fascists and Nazis in both Italy and Germany though, and it goes without saying he has had a lot of influence on post-war neofascists, radical rightists, etc.
With Dugin he'll say something like, science is bad, everything went to hell with Galileo and Isaac Newton… scum… they should've burned in the fires of the Inquisition. The theory of gravity is a vile Anglo-Saxon invention *stormy applause from the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum*
>>2106788Nah, not the same. Even to me. Libs raised a stink about militarily redrawing country borders. So you're better off comparing with Israel.
>UN Charter>Chapter I>Article 2>4. All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.You can argue over those referendums freely, but it's clear that between International Court and UN, the liberal world order is kind of eating shit right now.
>>2106843Well, yeah. But they're America. They're the hegemon. The sole hegemon. They make the rules, and they break them at their leisure, and the rest can cope and seethe. That's why they can support ICC against Russia, and threaten it against Israel. All while not recognizing its authority at all and threatening it with invasion, if Americans get tried.
But when someone else does it. Explicitly
against America. And gets away with it. Exposing the "hard power" behind this "soft power" to be fallible. That's when others start to smell blood in the water.
>>2106850>He's not afraid of Putin's wagging finger and sees him as a bluffing buffoonNah, Trump wants to be friends. Trump is a massive bluffer and respects the game. He doesn't want to appear weak though so unfortunately the libtard fantasy of Trump just abandoning Ukraine on Jan 20th won't happen.
I'd say at least six months of the US trying to push Ukraine forward and then Trump will call it. Any plan to axe Iran could shorten that time frame.
>>2106863Kim is tough, tho. Same with Xi.
Or, at least, they aren't observably weak.
>>2106651His feelings are VALID and HEARD, you ugly ugly troglodyte!
Downvoted 👎
>>2106859kek
>Russia in the 60s:<Ha you place missiles in Turkey? Watch us place nukes in Cuba bitch>Russia in the 21st century:<p-p-please save us incoming American president :(I support multipolarity and ziggerism because watching other nations constantly cucking to America is embarrassing for everyone.
>>2106890They usually trot him out with that fuel when Ukraine is about to do something escalatory. Then the Kremlincucks protest that the Biden adminisration is trying to thwart the efforts of MUH TRUMP.
Less than two weeks of this coy nonsense remaining.
>>2106905Obama made pretty much the same offer. Except he only sent a CIA flunky instead of going to the DMZ.
Yeah it is idiotic to take Trump at face value but anyone who thinks he is just doing exactly what the deep state want is even more of an idiot.
Ukrainian mercenaries captured in Venezuela – MaduroOn Tuesday, Maduro said that the group included two Colombian hitmen captured “in different places” as well as “three mercenaries who came from Ukraine, from the war in Ukraine, to bring violence to the country.” Caracas also arrested two “very high level” US citizens, he added, later describing them as “two important mercenaries.”
According to Maduro, those arrested had planned “to carry out attacks on the leaders of the revolution,” employing the rhetoric of Bolivarian socialism popularized by his predecessor Hugo Chavez.
https://swentr.site/news/610573-ukrainian-mercenaries-captured-venezuela/Broken arms and cocked guns: Ukraine’s forced mobilization escalates (VIDEOS)One soldier is seen kicking the man multiple times in the knee. After a severe beating, the draftee ends up in the vehicle, and his further fate is unknown. Responding to a public outcry, the local recruitment office claimed the man was eligible for mobilization but did not have any ID documents. The military said it tried to take the would-be conscript to the local recruitment office, but he refused and lashed out at the officers, leading to a clash. The office also said those involved in the encounter have been suspended.
Another clip released on Sunday shows the moment Ukrainian recruiters attempted to arrest a man in Kamenets-Podolsky, in western Ukraine, reportedly breaking his arm in the process. The video features an officer sitting on top of a struggling man, while two policemen stand nearby. The man cries out in pain and says “My arm!”
A similar incident took place on Tuesday in the central Ukrainian city of Dnepr, where recruiters attempted to arrest a 45-year-old man at a train station. According to Ukrainian officials, the would-be conscript refused to show his ID papers and pulled out a knife, injuring a service member and a police officer.
Another encounter took place in the port city of Odessa, where a civilian armed with a knife was seen attempting to chase away two service members. It is unclear how the encounter ended.
https://swentr.site/russia/610567-ukraine-mobilization-violence-escalation/ >>2107043it's more evidence to the world that the issue is georgia was not a pro-russian tilt of its non-aligned government. yanukovych was successfully labeled post-hoc as a pro russian dictator, kind of hard to do that when an isolated president has such extensive ties to france and america while relying on protests that lack momentum.
with europe so blatantly meddling in georgia, it undermines the balancing act it's engaging in between geopolitics and its philanthropy of human development/pro-democracy reform initiatives, exposing the weaponization of soft power rather than its natural rise and displacement of old, rigid regimes. i was stuck reading a paper about how this balancing act is being strained in the wake of covid, alienating partners in africa who in turn see the EU as not capable of being inclusive
>>2107070Kek they're completely reduced to asymmetric war cope
Donbass and Kursk status? 🤔
>>2107440The French gave America freedom
And they can take it away
>>2105738sorry intanon but Dugin IS a retard
hes a schizo, yes he has some ok takes (the naval vs land states but even that is propably a copy of Goebbels ideology) but he unironically believes in reptile men and all that stuff. Theres a reason he wasnt on free foot in the USSR
Thing about Dugin is that nobody in Russia cared. His name was mentioned so often from the outside that ony then some rightoid losers started to think about him. Hes completely manufatured by US & EU media.
I say that as somebody who continued to support the Russian war effort even when it was at its absolute low in terms of popularity. Lost my best friend to that and his zionism. Im neither traitor nor a fed. But sometimes the domestic view from inside of Russia helps sorting things, especially with Dugin.
If you want to have somebody whos edgy but also incredibly funny, read about Zhirinovsky
>>2107991he also wants to detonate a nuke so Istanbul sinks under a 10m high wave!
Hes from a Jewish family and a violent antisemite! Truly a man of many colors
And how can he be anti Ukraine when he wants to give them a much bigger land back?
> He wants to forcibly take back Alaska because it’ll be “a great place to keep the Ukranians.” Its
dialectics, brother
>>2107977I think you're criticizing beliefs I don't have. I don't consider dugin relevant. We were sold that he is the court ideologist of putin and coordinating some international alt right network of Russian agents. In reality he's a arch reactionary crank who showed up on the radar of western intelligence because he visited donbass and Crimea in 2014 and blown up, like malofeev, into an infowar threat like malofeev despite lack of state connections
Zhirinovsky has long been more relevant and also was isolated in the state as de facto controlled opposition that made putin look like the sane choice
These are distractions from the real issue the West has. After medvedev and the Russian reset, putins voter based shifted to becoming more 'silent majority' i.e. based on rural, small town, provincial, and/or older vote. It reflected how russia was divided by globalization, especially after 08, due to incomplete integration into the neoliberal european order (which was informing wars and color revolutions elsewhere). This was associated with a shift from being the strongman of a liberalizing transition in 2000 to some sort of national conservative. It was seen as russias deep state turning against the West as it started to do under yeltsin and Yugoslavia. Conversely this division of russia was western leverage for influencing post putin succession
This is similar to the voter base of PiS, Brexit, Trump, etc. with a key difference, rejection of neoliberalism and embracing of state ownership rather than devolution + undermining western supremacy rather than reinforcing it. This is due to how it was divided by incomplete integration and blamed for globalization stalling in the former USSR, which is how Ukraine's crisis and derussification was read. Very much a semi periphery issue
Crimea and Russian spring then solidified this vote's dominance and putins high approval in the country. This deep state and the people were now completely in tune, to the point donbass seps were led by retired security and military officials going way ahead of their (because a large fraction of donbass was more militant than putin and Russians, wanting federalization or outright annexation)
Western meddling and carving up the region provoked popular Russian nationalism because it meant resuming the cold war insofar international capitalism stagnated. People like dugin barely factor into this, much bigger titans at work
>>2108000youre very right then. I feel like i have to tell some of those ACP guys cause they think hes actually Putins Rasputin, which - like Zhirinovsky, but much less funny - is as you already say just theatre, spectacle.
I do have the feelings that the average Russian knows that much better than many Westerners, which are still glued to Netflix. I cant even show a good Mosfilm child movie with them cause they think its secretly implanting Stalinism into their brain. And those are - well, were - faux radical leftlib types.
The war sadly made some people true believes again. At least it feels like it. On the other side, but also sad cause it has costst the lives of so many 100 thousands: I think the war also showed both the state and the people how much more prestigious and ready-for-action the Soviet system was. Nobody is rly scared of Medvedev tweets, while Brezhnev just needed to raise an eyebrow and his red emergency telephone rings.
But sadly looking into the past, and i rly lost myself in it, does propably not bring us forward. I am just drowing in nostalgia to keep my humanity intact. Either way, nuff oversharing. Keep up he struggle of cause. It gets brighter once it was the darkest, hopefully.
>>2108002>I cant even show a good Mosfilm child movie with them cause they think its secretly implanting Stalinism into their brain. And those are - well, were - faux radical leftlib types. This sounds dystopic. Do they refuse because they don't like colors or because you are forceful with trying to share "the gospel" with them?
>Nobody is rly scared of Medvedev tweets, while Brezhnev just needed to raise an eyebrow and his red emergency telephone rings. Soviet system was much like Chinese one today - every official word of any official's mouth, any tweet or any article, all of that is held as the word of the state. They aren't just stating their own opinion, they always state their country's official stance. Medvedev allows himself crazy talk because he isn't an official mouthpiece of the state. That's the difference
>>2108006>This sounds dystopic. Do they refuse because they don't like colors or because you are forceful with trying to share "the gospel" with them?It seven a Ukranian one, the one with the old dog and the wolf and helping each other out. You know
No they just watch Chernobyl and every other Netflix slop, they think everything out of Russia is Goebbels like state propaganda TV. Meanwhile thats what US media rly becomes.
I advise everbody to give this 10 min beauty a watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF5vh7zFXKI >>2108079A gigantic retardation. Basically Hunch's plan was to turn the country into Yugoslavia so in 2022 it would be russia fighting everyone instead of just ukraine. Decentralization doesn't work. Even russia today suffers from inherent autonomy in the non-russian parts of the country. Centralization with (only) cultural autonomy is the way to go. Decisions are made in the center but minorities can make their territory dress up however they want to.
There is a good show (kinda good, the authors had a pro-socialist outlook where the east germans call out the soviets for abandoning communism with the liberman reforms) called GDR (a non-pozzed version of Deutschland 83) where Gorbachev's stupidity and Shevernadze's treachery is exposed. Im happy there aren't breadline or supermarket scenes, everything tries to look legit, even tho its happening in 1989
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vM-e-vo4k6U>picrel >>2108180And for a brief moment, I actually felt sorry for the neo-nazis that want so badly to be "Western" they attempted genocide and suffer 90% casualty rates.
The bourgeois are not human.
>>2108079He couldn’t have. After the disastrous economic reforms and the breaking of trust in the Communist party the loss of at least European SSRs was inevitable. Too many opportunists wanting to use independence to fill their pockets. If it wasn’t Yeltsin and co dismantling the USSR then it would have come after the first new elections.
This plan would be like the Nazis trying to reform industry when the Soviets had taken the Seelow heights.
>>2108111Most analysts I've read , even pro-Russia ones, tell the same thing - the USSR was doomed no matter what. The economy was stagnant since the early 1980s, data fiddling, plus misallocation of resources, led to a "ghost economy" and shortage of many consumer goods, with tbh was never a strong point of the USSR, and unlike people here claim, Gorbachev's reforms were widely supported at first.
Even if the USSR survived into the 1990s, it's economy would continue to decline (both the collapse of oil prices, and the crisis started by the alcohol ban, showed it was deeply unhealthy) but even worse would be the civil war that would start, like it did in Tajikistan, but more widely spread, local militias vs central government/Moscow troops, which again would lead to economic damage and discontent.
>>2108385Unfortunately many good proles would have been caught up. After cutting state orders 50% and blowing up the COMECON there was economic chaos and no leadership from the anti-Gorbachev faction.
The August coup faction were all Gorbachev's men. Either it was orchestrated at his request and he got cold feet, or they were trying to make him see the USSR was about to be destroyed.
>>2105759LOL!
This is what ACTUAL fascists say about Dugin. Hint: they are not impressed
>>2108629Strasserites also believed that bolshevism is inherently jewish, you retard. They were just more keen on nationalization than Hitler was
NO Strasserite under ANY condition would call his party a "traditional communist party funded on a system of bolshevik values". I repeat: NOBODY
>>2108635He CLEARLY says his party is a bolshevik party
He is not an anti communist, that is my point
>>2108645Have you seen the source in my image? Look at point 3 of his party declaration on wikipedia. He literally says it apparently. Communist. What else does communist mean?
Dugin is a real communist or at least pretends to be one. His influence is just so insignificant in Russia that it doesn't translate to actual policy
>>2108646>He literally says it apparently. Communist.He says it's a "traditionalist communist" party which is an oxymoron.
>What else does communist mean? Whatever he wants it to since he's just making up bullshit. It's the same thing Hitler did with the word socialism.
>>2108645Is the Bolivarian Republic Fascist? Was Green Libya fascist? It's a slippery slope to say Dugin is a fascist because he has not call for the abolition of classes and the state. This is more of a fair assessment
>>2108655 than Dugin is a fascist and anti-communist
>>2107977>the naval vs land states but even that is propably a copy of Goebbels ideologyIt apparently (?) traces back to the British geostrategist Halford Mackinder's "heartland theory" and some say the Nazis were influenced by it but that's not clear either.
>Hes completely manufatured by US & EU media.I think you're correct about that too. I would like to read about more influential Russian theorists who exist right now, they can be conservatives, whatever. But I'm just hearing about the meme guy all the time.
>>2107988>Have some respectThis guy is kind of dumb but he quotes Zhirinovsky in a funny way at 7:45
>>2108655>Dugin thinks that the USSR was a "retvrn to tradition" in some regards (ie collectivism, rejection of western influence, following a grand narrative etc) but he doesn't think communism or diamat are sufficient on their own, just that Soviet communism reflected a part of the "Russian spirit".It's just philosophical argle bargle and he really does say crazy shit about reptiles like DDRanon said. More fundamentally he believes that modernity is bad that we must RETVRN. He believes in creating a magical, but brainless and illiterate feudal-like caste society which recreates conditions of serfdom. He has proposed only recently to depopulate Russian cities because they're breeding grounds for "degeneration, alienation, and madness," so people will go back to villages where there are strong Orthodox families who have a lot of babies. Divorces (don't even mention abortions) will be banned. It's forbidden and that's it – you get married, you live like that until you die. "Fornicators" will be burned at the stake (this is what he says) and thieves will be hanged in public. Blasphemy against the Tsar? Eternal hard labor. This is how he talks. The October Revolution? A betrayal of religion, Orthodoxy and the Tsar. Then he'll say the Soviet Union, as you point out, had certain special features and it was bad to betray that, but anyways Russia must RETVRN to the ideals of the church and the principle of the "aristocracy of the spirit." Basically everything lost over the past 100 years. (Don't mention the Decembrists, they were further back.)
>>2108756>The October Revolution? A betrayal of religion, Orthodoxy and the Tsar.He goes back and forth on that.
<The Marxist model cannot be called “traditional” in the normal sense, but in comparison with the liberal model it has incomparably more features of a traditional society. And when it comes to historical choice, this distinction takes on a special great meaning. (…) Lenin smashed the brain of the layman, razed stock exchanges and banks to the ground, brought the pre-revolutionary sleepless worms (the Gusinsky and Berezovsky of that time) to the clean, overturned the cadre, alienated, Late Romanov Russia, built on the corpses of Old Believers, mortgaged to the European nobodies…Lenin mobilized the nation for a total shock. Yes, it was bloody — but the birth of everything involves blood. Yes, it was allegorical, but the ideological discourse of the Tradition has been forced for many centuries to dress up in dubious compromise formulas, otherwise Kali-yugic humanity simply will not hear anything — it has become stupefied and desecrated beyond measure.
>He has proposed only recently to depopulate Russian cities because they're breeding grounds for "degeneration, alienation, and madness," so people will go back to villagesBased
>>2108680>Is the Bolivarian Republic Fascist? Was Green Libya fascist?Those were/are social democracies operating more or less within a liberal-democratic framework, whereas Dugin explicitly rejects this and supports shit like monarchism.
>This is more of a fair assessment >>2108655 than Dugin is a fascist and anti-communistThat assessment is agreeing with me, at least on the key points. He doesn't actually like or support communism, he just shills the USSR as an expression of Russian national greatness. At best he may express some sympathy with the Soviet system because it kept Russia from being liberal and gay, even though it was very socially progressive for its time. Stalin would have shot him as a reactionary.
The US throughout post-WW2 history has had the doctrine of massively over-reacting to even minor or irrelevant (from the US's perspective at least), labelled as being either a show of force, shock and awe, madman theory, etc as a deterrent that signals that if that US will create rivers of blood over something tactically meaningless to the US, then when you DO cross them meaningfully then it's all the more welcomed by the US for the chance to turn that river into an ocean. This even permeates throughout US culture with ideas like "that's what you get for messing with America" and the demon wojak meme, Trump is just continuing the doctrine but relabelling it as some kind of opening bolshy gambit that is part of the "art of the deal", it's nothing new or different IMO. If anything, the schizophrenic Biden attitude towards Ukraine where they couldn't make their minds up over what is or isn't escalatory for them to do shows a certain kind of seriousness to the situation, that this imminent switch to the usual boasting bravado about willing to pursue total war over irrelevancies suggests is in the past, it's a deterrent for Russia going beyond Ukraine either in Europe or more likely the Middle East and Africa.
>>2108959No, that cannot save Ukraine either, because then China will get involved as well.
They can however give Ukraine tomahawks which will certainly increase Russian civilian casualties and prolong the war, kill more Slavs, which is of course the end goal of the American regime, because Slavs are the ones most nostalgic for communist time (excluding Poland)
>>2109015communism is already over 200 years old in theory and over 100 years old in practice. It is traditional by every means.
Libertarians are the new liberals with their color revolutions (1991) and because of that communists often identify as conservative, traditional
Personally I dislike the usage of these words entirely so I am just communist, nothing else. But I don't seethe at my fellow communists for doing so
>>2109031>>2109012Notice how none of the points have citation, yet only this one is marked. Why do you think that is?
It is because this point, more than any other, destroys the vile western propaganda of Russian fascism
Lithuania hints at claim to Russian territoryMoscow has ridiculed a suggestion by the Baltic state’s president that Kaliningrad should be called Karaliaucius
https://swentr.site/russia/610680-lithuania-president-kaliningrad-name/Kremlin responds to Baltic state’s territorial commentsDmitry Peskov has called Lithuania “an unfriendly state” after its president referred to Kaliningrad as a Lithuanian city
https://swentr.site/russia/610681-peskov-hostile-state-lithuania-kaliningrad/ >>2109078that is not true. retards just assume that because Putin is not a socialist, Dugin cannot be either
Newsflash, DUGIN IS NOT PUTINS BRAIN, only retards ever said that
>>2109092>Dugin claims to beHe doesn't, thus tradcom. Socialism is second position, he is 'fourth position' i.e. mixing the three positions in a cultural mix you can retvrn with
His nazbol split is histrically to the right of limonov.
>>2109106First positionism: socially left, economically right (liberalism)
Second positionmism: socially left, economically left (Communism)
Third positionism: socially right, economically right (fascism)
Fourth positionism: socially right, economically left (Duginism)
>>2109137their troops actually buy their made up propaganda and act on it
it's an amazing waste of effort
>>2109862Even if there was a new union the resulting state would have been so weak it would have either followed American policy like Yeltsin did, or been too weak to resist. The Atlanticists also wouldn't have ceased their undermining.
A best case "new union" would just have seen Belarus, Ukraine, Georgia and some or all of the central Asian SSRs incorporated into the Union State. The resulting Union State economy might have looked more like Belarus though.
>>2109897You gotta give credit to the US, on how effective is their propaganda is, not only does it influences global south people/governments but even in the former USSR, where people can speak Russian, they still manage to change their minds. I've talked to global south people through the net from across the world, from Argentina to Vietnam, from Nigeria to Indonesia/Brazil, they all told me the same : most people would support the US over Russia, sometimes by a lot, and while a few consider the US a bad or evil country, half or more think the same of Russia.
>>2109917I wouldn't rely on e pen pals
https://www.politico.eu/article/america-popularity-waning-worldwide-russia-and-china-gain-on-us-global-stage/
>America’s faltering popularity, combined with Russia and China’s improved standings, means the latter are now viewed as positively as the U.S. in most Middle Eastern, North African and Asian countries surveyed.Also it's not propaganda, it's just the bias of the global system towards the US allows freedom to behave in a more diplomatic and commercial way based on soft power rather than opaque state interest calculus and bilateral dealings
>>2109932The article still says that America is perceived net 22% positively while for China it's only 5% and Russia is perceived net negatively at -14%.I don't know if I'd trust the "alliance of democracies", but if we do, that data is still bad.
Also, what is this
>>2109956There's a couple things to keep in mind
1. The poll is political but the answers are mostly not. The vast majority of people do not have much of a political opinion of states, polarization over them is the exception not the rule. Sharp favorables/unfavorables better show politicized opinions. People mostly answer based on their interactions with states. Russia and China are comparatively irrelevant internationally, whereas you may have a favorite American show or movie.
2. In the multipolar period measured here, China and Russia have positive growth (especially Russia, look at Latin America) whereas America is stagnating or declining. This actually may suggest opinions of these three countries is A) getting political B) becoming a matter of weighing America versus Russia and China
>>2108639>My question is whether that country could be held together/surviveNah, because neither the liberals nor the "hardliners" as Wikipedia calls them were interested in such a compromise, as evidenced by the use of the pre-Soviet nationalist flags used by the former and the coup attempt by the latter.
>and what it would look like in the modern era and geopolitical order.Probably like the modern Russian Federation but presumably bigger, the 90s and 2000s possibly would have had more separatist insurgencies and terrorism, the US would have still boosted the liberal wing of its political system and the CPSU likely would act the same way the KPRF does today.
>>2110075There's naturally an interest in avoiding a narrative of NATO nations ganging up against a single nation, not because that'd moralistically sound like it's unfair, westerners think the fact that so many nations would gang up on a single nation is proof of how evil/dangerous that nation is, but rather they don't want NATO's failure to protect the integrity of Ukraine's 1991 borders to be from failing to collectively crush a single nation's military capacity to the point they're sent fleeing back over the border unconditionally.
So inevitably when a piece of Ukraine gets signed over to Russia in a peace deal (regardless of how much that ends up being) the narrative will be that NATO had met its match in a definitely real opposing military alliance between Russia, China, Iran and DPRK. Factor in the fact much of the world is entirely neutral to the conflict, NATO will probably claim the odds were even against them and that whatever Russia doesn't get in the peace deal will because of a David vs Goliath-tier victory.
>>2110092
Russia wasn't prepared for the war. Proof is eventual mobilization, which ran counter to trying to fight the war with contract soldiers only, without backup divisions or anything. That initial army blitzkrieged to Kiev, though, but Russia, again, wasn't prepared, and didn't have second echelon to push forward over such a wide frontline (meaning that the same units that were breaking through were also the same units that held the breakthrough; that's not how it's done)
BUT the big difference is that Russia has managed to outproduce the West and even did an army reform in the middle of a conflict, while NATO and Ukraine to this day are doing the same shit and only throwing replacements into the meatgrinder.
Meanwhile, Russian military technology has proven to be superior to Westoid technology, what's up with the West being unable to intercept missiles, lmao, and still having no hypersonics. Javelins? Absolute logistical nightmare, and didn't work as intended anyway. Bayraktars? Didn't even show up except for first couple days when those were shot down. Western tanks and APC at best no different than Russian counterpart, and at worst straight up unuseable in a real conflict, for example, Bradley's door just gets stuck, and a slightest drone hit roasts people trapped inside alive. Patriots? Can't defend anything, missiles targeting Patriots just hit patriots. Himars? No better than Russian counterparts, and lancets reduced Himars count to single digits
Situation is so dire for Ukraine, that THE ONLY thing that they want by this point is drones, and they use those even to try and to target aircraft or missiles with those. No NATO technology has survived reality check
>>2110131
It hasn't been confirmed that DPRK troops are in Kursk or Ukraine and it was never confirmed that Iran sent anything other than a license to produce their drones, it's always claims made to justify NATO's involvement.
But in any case, you've already backpedaled from "not involved directly" to "directly involved but less significantly than Russia" and even then it's because for all the NATO arms, training, tactics, recon, funding they're nevertheless using Ukrainians instead of NATO soldiers. So when inevitably the war ends and magazines and newspapers start coming forward with heroic stories about the secret deployment of NATO special forces under the guise of volunteer combat medics, confirming what Russia has been reporting the entire time, you'll then backpedal again to "directly involved, significantly so, but they didn't send grunts as stand in for Ukrainians".
>>2110146Absolutely, the fact they're also taking money off the tables of their own civilians (i.e not just using taxes but also economic warfare that sacrifices the livelihoods of NATO civilians) to prop up Ukraine's economy proves how deep this economic involvement is.
But anon is probably a fascist by the sounds of it, so he sees war as solely an expenditure of blood with the expenditure of capital being an irrelevancy, thus as long as NATO claims not a single drop of their blood has been dropped, they aren't "significantly directly involved".
>>2110175>this premise is completely falseif by false you mean factually correct but it makes you upset
>without NATO the ukraine would have no materiel to fight with and no economy whatsoevernobody is denying that
> Russia is fighting the combined economic and industrial potential of NATOif nafo was directly and fully involved, which it isn't
>and the only thing the ukraine is providing are the men.so the most fundamental component?
>>2110176>assuming your argument to be true is to pretend to be retardedcan't say you're wrong
>>2110179>Grossly misleading to the point of lying.notice how what follows doesn't refute the premise. typical transhumanist rhetoric
>>2110181> least fundamental component comparedthe irony of a commie arguing for this. like saying labour is the least fundamental component, absolutely ludicrous. would like to see artillery firing itself and tanks driving themselves and empty trenches stopping anyone
>>2110202>It does>There's no reason to believe the Ukraine war merely evidences Russian power against Ukraine. It's much more international in scope and it actually represents the greatest collective action NATO has ever done. You can lie and cope, but NATO officials call this war existential for a reason.all of this is true and yet none of it refutes nafo non direct involvement. you can keep repeating it does over and over, have fun
>>2110203but what is fundamental, knucklehead? try having a war, production and economics with no human material, commodity fetishist
>>2110204>Actual on-duty European generals were killed in strikes on Ukraine. there's about as much evidence for this ultimate projecting transhumanist cope as there is for korean troops
>>2110221okay transhumanist, that's what happened
you feel better now
(Rule 14c - of an overly derisive and mocking nature) >>2110238moronic nafoid narratives aren't reality and in fact every wnderwaffle has been an absolute non factor except for maybe himars very early on
>>2110244yes nafo is indirectly involved, that's not disputed.
also refrain from pulling numbers out of your transhumanist wound
>>2110250whether nato involvement is direct or not by your metrics is irrelevant when it's the only thing propping ukraine up into the third year of the war. Russia is fighting NATO economies and industries wearing Ukraine as a puppet, that's just fact.
(besides your first post said that Russia is fighting Ukraine one on one, lol.)
>picrel is what Russia would be facing exclusively if NATO wasn't involved, ISIS-tier shitconsider dilating
>>2110250is transhumanist some insult that doesn't translate into english properly?
genuinely why are you using it so much, what part of this argument is even remotely related to transhumanism
>>2110386it means you gulp down estrogen for breakfast, which of course is a great thing as radlibs proved
>>2110394no i'm using the word transhumanist, it's more demeaning than tгanny, it shows all varieties of commies are radlib at heart
>>2110100The initial assault didn't stall due to a lack of a second echelon but because lack of traffic control meant they jammed up the roads and ran out of supplies. The attack was then halted to reorganise forces and begin negotiations with the Ukrainians.
If the Russian commanders had been competent at moving forces around in real life and not just on a map sheet they'd have reached the Dneper and been able to create a bulge or even pocket of the Ukrops in the Donbas.
>>2110469Oh sorry, I thought the emphasis was meant to be sarcastic in the "2 more weeks" sense.
>>2110472Yeah, even initially the nato mercenaries tapped out early with comments about how this was totally different than fighting tribals in Afghanistan or whatever.
>>2110473Training seems inconsistent across the board, with reports of people being shipped to the front same day and then "elite nato trained units" getting what seems at most 4-6 months, which Scott Ritter referred to as criminal.
>>2110479>Training seems inconsistent across the boardYeah I was referring to just the units trained by NATO outside Ukraine. This wasn't full NATO training, and even that is considered the bare minimum for soldiers to join a line unit and receive further training.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of Ukrainian nationalists turn away from the West due to them realising how false most of its aura of superiority is.
>>2110476I don't think there was Russian intent to push up to the Dnieper.
I see the initial stages of the assault like the Sino-Vietnamese War. The Chinese struck with heavy, albeit clumsy, force, and reached the passes to Hanoi. Then they withdrew to avoid getting embroiled in a brutal guerrilla war, and launched border skirmishes that dragged down the Vietnamese economy.
I think that's the same logic with the Kyiv attack; Russia was never going to capture Kyiv, but they wanted to put it under threat to force favorable negotiations.
They will have to take Donbass, of course, but the objective is a grinding, grueling fight until Ukraine makes like Vietnam, which acknowledged that given the force disparity with China, it had to acknowledge its northern neighbour's needs. The Russian objective's similar, it has to send a message to NATO, and it has to convince Ukraine it has to be neutral or Russia-aligned.
The difference is that the attritional skirmishing and the mass assault phases have been merged; Russia bleeds Ukraine (and NATO) fighting over Donbass.
>>2110459Isn't that kind of explained by the fact the advanced side is spending a lot to attack a side that barely even has infrastructure, actually balances the economics of war in favour of the side that has everything jerry rigged with duct tape anyway? Like if you take Vietnam, it was hugely expensive to send all of that hi-tech (for the era anyway) shit and operate it that far from home that then got unleashed on pretty much nothing other than peasants who become economically active as children anyway and thus (speaking brutally) easy to replace. As soon as the Vietnamese were able to shoot down B-52s with foreign supplied AA on the reg, then it was over for the US, the war was expensive enough fuelling and arming the bombers to attack targets that nowhere near match the value of, without now even losing the bombers and thus requiring replacements.
This no doubt inspired them to hand over the then new stinger missiles to the mujahedeen, which then achieved basically the same effect in making it economically unviable to be losing helicopters regularly in attacks against targets considerably cheaper and easier to replace than said helicopters. This in turn has inspired the era of drone warfare where now the AA weapons are too expensive to be firing at drones that cost a tenth of missiles that previously were economically efficient when used against aircraft that cost ten times more.
>>2110473If NATO actually got directly involved and lost enough professional soldiers and resorted to conscription then that would be the standard of training for western mobiks as well. All of the training professional NATO troops receive is to improve/protect their investments in those willing soldiers with training them to manooover and outsmart untrained troops, in attrition warfare that's not a good investment if you've already lost the people with years of training in a matter of months because they couldn't manooover out of the way of a guided bomb, it doesn't apply as well to people you've snatched off the streets of questionable health and motivation and the front is moving now and not in a couple of years time.
People get trained just to sit in a trench and fire in whatever direction their CO tells them to, because that's the only economically viable way men are expended in attrition (aka real) wars.
>>2110512No. America and the Soviets over spent on counter-insurgencies due to bad strategy and soldiers who weren't up to the task of fighting those conflicts.
The argument also wasn't that a more advanced opponent could be forced to spend more than their opposition, but that economics and production were determinative in war.
Training, morale, and leadership of men all matter. The Soviets knew this even when they were cranking out N T-34s for every Panther.
>>2110529Yes troop quality would go down but even in WWII elite formations like paratroopers got extended training. Regular units were also leavened with long service soldiers and veterans and usually given some months to train together. Even WWI trench-sitters were getting rotated out for RnR and more training.
What is killing the Ukrops is the hand to mouth nature of replacements. Instead of making the politically painful decision to increase conscription ahead of losses they've been just doing enough to hold while hoping the next round of Wunderwaffe/sanctions would break Russia.
>>2110531>Training, morale, and leadership of men all matter>>2110534>WWII elite formations like paratroopers got extended trainingThese skills cost quite a bit to teach in soldiers, hence why "elities" receive the training and operate separately for more specific tasks than
>Objective one: retain current clay>Objective two: claim new clayWhile field experienced soldiers are trained as they've got the acumen to survive up until that point, and then they're assigned as NCOs to a squad of not-so-trained troops in the hopes that cheaper investment in a sergeant also compensates for the expediency of getting those troops to the front quickly.
>What is killing the Ukrops is the hand to mouth nature of replacements.Indeed, but technically speaking every one of them will have a gun and do pose a threat on the battlefield who will need to be attacked anyway, it's not as though Russia can just choose
not to bomb them on the basis that they probably wouldn't be very good in a more dynamic combat situation, because they're still sitting in a trench and firing at advancing Russian troops which is difficult to overcome even with training.
The next round of Wunderwaffe and sanctions no doubt provides hope of
reversing their fortunes, but for desperate defences, nothing beats forcing trained soldiers to risk being shot by an alcoholic, or better yet forcing the use of a missile or bomb to attack someone who cost nothing at all to field.
Also I think another formal round of conscription is being avoided for other reasons than it's politically painful (as if anyone in politics will remain in Ukraine after this)
>Clearly, whatever is left of Ukraine will require gargantuan amounts of labour of decades to rebuild, 18-25s are invaluable to this end and with demographics as poor as Ukraine's, the economic value they represent is pretty extreme to just expend in attrition
>If they're being trained properly to increase their chances of survival, they will probably be sent abroad, where they may go AWOL. This apparently is enough of an issue that NATO is now considering the risk of sending trainers to Ukraine instead.
>Thanks to drones making movements of any kind pretty risky, it's actually kind of working for Ukraine that infantry are spread out, a big conscription drive will inevitably create larger groups of infantry that will be easier targets for bombs, missiles, drones, so piecemeal conscription to maintain a presence that prevents Russian soldiers from advancing without concern, but not big enough to have a single bomb wipe out an entire squad's worth of equipment is quite efficient
Overall though, discussing people as commodities that are either difficult or easy to replace depending on how guaranteed their death is, is why war is awful and a peaceful (i.e a communist) world is desirable because war is just about economics and expending capital.
The angle that war values more the skill, leadership and valiance of individual soldiers, rather than the ratio of what it costs when they die compared to what amount of expenditure they can cause beforehand, is to delude one's self that generals and politicians will value the lives of soldiers over capital in a way they don't when they were civilians employed for wage-labour and thus trick themselves into thinking there's something glorious about war. It isn't, you either die in the service of capital, or rarely, you die in an unwelcome necessity for self-defence because fascists didn't like your socialist project.
>>2110613Shameful strawman.
Ukraine doesn't even have enough troops to rotate units out every few weeks as was the norm in most wars. Even if they couldn't afford to mobilise more men there is a reason most 30+ year olds in WWI/WWII weren't assigned to the infantry.
The Ukrops deployed a deliberate strategy of burning up Homo Sovieticus in the belief that Western aid/sanctions would end the war soon.
>>2110476>but because lack of traffic control meant they jammed up the roads and ran out of suppliesAre you with that stupid column thing again? Lmao, Ukrainians to this day believe that they ever damaged it?
Russian tactic was pushing forward, abandoning broken vehicles on their path, all this kind of thing. They broke through, and that implies a second echelon to guard positions and roads. There was no meaningful second echelon. Road jams is nonsense
Like, imagine slicing Ukrainian defences like knife through butter, and then doing whatever you want in their rear. But you don't have ANYBODY to hold the ground behind you
Come to think of it, this SMO was designed much like an anti-terrorist operation
>>2110684The first elements broke through and captured the outskirts of Kiev but the assault broke down because the roads were jammed and they couldn't move up artillery.
The roads were jammed. We could see it on CCTV and satellite. I don't know how you think there could be all that traffic and no "second echelon". Were they all bread trucks or something?
>>2110691Nobody ever given any explanation. Nafo ran with the story that it was 1000 km long and was bombed to shreds (no photos tho). Satellite imagery isn't real for such events, as we have learned from Bucha forgeries, Oreshnik hitting Yuzhmash and similar incidents
Like, what do you think was in those trucks? I suspect it was humanitarian aid mixed with some troops and ammo. Russia was trying to give out humanitarian aid, and there were hundrends of thousands of people living in occupation, with supply lines disrupted.
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