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Reading General:

Hello leftypol, we noticed an under-appreciation for the theory that upholds our political ideologies: As such, we have decided to revive the reading sticky! This thread will be dedicated to the sharing, discussing, and general banter about various leftist thinkers, theories, and political outlooks.

But, other than that, we believe there are other important reads that must be addressed, especially, for beginners and those just now getting into leftism.

Don't forget to check out >>>/edu/ for more reading and discussion!

Common Right Wing Talking Points Debunks

Check out the /edu/ thread at

Also see the relevant leftybooru tag
Add topics into the tag list to further narrow down your search!

Introduction to Marxism Reading List - Thanks to the /read/ matrix room (https://app.element.io/#/group/+leftyread:matrix.org)

Absolute Beginners Tier:

'Principles of Communism' by Friedrich Engels

'Three Source and Theree Component Parts of Marxism' by V.I. Lenin

Not a book but Halim Alrah's youtube channel is good for the absolutely basics of Marxism but obviously not a replacement for reading

Marx and Engles Reading List

Tier 1:

'Manifesto of the Communist Party'

'Critique of the Gotha Programme'

'Socialism: Utopian and Scientific'

Tier 2:

'Wage Labour and Capital'

'Value, Price and Profit'

'Theses on Feuerback'

By this point you should have a good understanding of the basics of Marxism and are ready to branch out to other theorists and also read Capital.

Tier 3:

'Capital vol.1'

Lenin Reading List - By Moo (aka Zizekposter)

Lenin Essentials:

'State and Revolution'

'“Left-Wing” Communism: an Infantile Disorder'

'Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism'

Petit Bourgeois Philistine Tier:

'What is to be done'

'The Proletarian Revolution and Renegade Kautsky'

'Two Tactics of Social Democracy in the Democratic Revolution'

ADHD Tier:

'Socialism and Religion'

'Zizek's Introduction to Revolution at the Gates'

'Revolutionary Adventurism'

MLM Reading List


Why MLM?

Marxism-Leninism-Maoism Basic Course

'Continuity and Rupture: Philosophy in the Maoist Terrain'


'On Practice & Contradiction'

'On Guerrilla Warfare'

'On Protracted War'


'Fanshen: A Documentary of Revolution in a Chinese Village'

'Red Star Over China' - Edgar Snow

'The Unknown Cultural Revolution' - Dongpin Han


Interview With Chairman Gonzalo

General line of the PCP

'Shining Path: Terror and Revolution in Peru' - Simon Strong


Operation “Green Hunt” in India

Eight Historic Documents (AZAD)

'Urban Perspective'


Araling Aktibista - Activist Study ARAK

'Stand for Socialism Against Modern Revisionism'

'Philippine Society and Revolution'
https://bannedthought.net/Philippines/CPP/1970s PhilippineSocietyAndRevolution-4ed.pdf

Political Economy:

'Rethinking Socialism' – Deng-yuan Hsu & Pao-yu Ching

'China: A Modern Social-Imperialist Power' - CPI(Maoist)

'Maoist Economics & the Revolutionary Road to Communism' - The Shanghai Textbook

Leftcom Reading Lists

r/marxism101's reading list:

r/bruhinternational's reading list:


'The Democratic Principle'

'Proletarian Dictatorship and Class Party'

'The Spirit of Horsepower'

'Report on Fascism'


'The Lyons Theses'

'Theory and Action in Marxist Doctrine'

'Dialogue with Stalin'


'World Revolution and Communist Tactics'

'Party and Class'

Herman Gorter:

'Open Letter to Comrade Lenin'

'The World Revolution'

Bookchin Reading Lists - based off of posts by Gorm1918 (pbuh)

'The Next Revolution'

'Urbanization Without Cities'

'The 3rd Revolution'

'The Ecology of Freedom'

Links to Resources and Libraries:

More Marx and Engels:


Other Selected Marxists:

Classical Works Recommended To High-Ranking Cadres:

Many important books can be found on libgen:

Libcom has some good books/documents:

Other links:

Various assortment of historical and biographical works:

The Leftist Bookshelf (4.16 GB, 600+ files)
This was originally a torrent but I can't find the link anymore. Its description was: "640 eBooks, mostly in PDF format (a bunch are CHM, DJVU or ePUB), from a revolutionary Leftist viewpoint. The main subjects are politics and philosophy, history, economics, and much much more."

Political Theory (MLM) (2.64 GB, 550+ files)
I found this on reddit years ago (circa 2016) Don't really remember who made it or where it came from, but this is a reading course (politics, philosophy, economics, etc) focused on Maoism. Has many books and articles on the USSR, PRC, Stalin, Mao, etc.

The Anarchist Library (669 MB, 4000+ files)
This is a complete mirror of the anarchist library with pdfs and epubs

Little Bunker of Marxism-Leninism (680 MB, 100+ files)
Unfinished project focused on M-L with more than 100 books on several topics like history, economics, politics, etc. Lots of stuff on the USSR.

Historical Materialism series (330 MB, 100+ files)
A pdf archive of over 100 books from the Historical Materialism book series. I got this from thecharnelhouse.org years ago and the website had released many marxist books from other publishers but unfortunately it's been taken down.

/leftypol/ with a slash of liberty (239 MB, 100+ files)
I didn't make this, just reuploading it. This is a classic /leftypol/ link, marxist stuff mixed with anarchism.

Marx & Engels Collected Works (900+ MB, 50 files)
The official, complete works of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels organized in 50 volumes and 3 categories.
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Welcome Thread and Feedback - TECHNICAL UPDATE!

A big thanks to the /leftypol/ tech team for their hard work on the 2021/07/04 technical update! Here's the list of changes:

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🗽/USAPol/ - United States Politics 🦅
Thread for petit discussion related to the greatest, best country God has ever given man on the face of the earth.

Other livestreams:
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Welp edition
Live Updates: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Global Tracker: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
The mod team asks you to please limit all covid discourse outside the mainstream media (vaccine skepticism, mask non-compliance, etc..) to this thread
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/prc/ - People's Republic of China general

A general thread for all China related discussion.

Original threads:
leftypol.org archives:
bunekrchan.xyz archives:
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On progressivism

Progressivism is a threat to society, whether for leftists, or even for centrists. They blur the line between "leftism" and "neoliberalsm" by juxtaposing both under the umbrella term of "leftism". They brand everyone who disagree with them as a "Nazi" or "right-wing" or a "white supremacist", even if that person is indeed a centrist who stands by his opinions, or even a left-winger.

What do you guys think about this ideology?

Opinions, discussions welcome.
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/Internet Trash General/
Use for discussion on twitter, e-celebs, internet happenings, and other related internet trash
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Everyone on the planet should carry a knife or a handgun whenever they enter cities.
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Oppose the right-wing campaign against vaccination!
>Under conditions of the global pandemic of a lethal virus, mass vaccination is an elementary requirement of public health and for the self-defense of the working class.

As this statement indicates, particularly in its concluding section, there are definite social and historical conditions under which the right-wing and libertarian campaign against vaccination finds an echo within layers of the working class, including its poorest sections. There is ignorance and social backwardness, there is also growing alienation, and tendency to reflexively distrust authority, to make no distinction between the government and the scientists. This feeds a general fatalism. It can only take root in the absence of any class consciousness. As the statement indicates, the struggle is not simply a medical issue. The last few paragraphs here are really crucial.
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Let's stop thinking about sentience as exclusive to humans and mammals but rather as a state of self awareness found in objects that posses the following traits
>the ability to observe their surroundings
>the ability to feel and react to stimuli
>the ability to have goals and desires
1 could say let's just use a simply spherical robot for example could be considered sentient if it's main purpose was to shoot apples with bullets, if that robot had a built in camera and auditory system that allowed it to navigate its surroundings and if it was able to react to things that threatened that robots survival and ability to find and shoot apples. Its sounds simple yet sentience can extend alot deeper than something as small as and apple shooting ai, think of sentience as not just a trait but a quantifiable measurement of abstraction that allows an entity to become increasingly self aware with the more diverse reactions, observations and desires it has the more sentient or "human" it becomes and likewise entities like androids may become easier to achieve than one would think if admittedly the tech that's available is far below what a true android could utilize. Oh well just a thought
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are..we the bad guys?

The vaccine makes the virus stronger.

Every year we must vaccinate now because its getting out of hand. Australia cant even keep up. We are all trying to get vaccinated but, we cant. So the virus has like 5 new types and they now say 1 in 3 could die from a new one that will come out soon. All because vaccinations. but, we have not stopped to think; some countries are poor and cant keep up… we, Australia cant even keep up and it has nothing to do with the ant-vaccine people, the world wide roll out was and always will be too slow.

We are seeing the death of the third and second world. that's all the poor countries gone, like magic. All because we couldn't let 0.1% of our people die, so now the third and second world must. There is no plan on keeping up with vaccines every year for the third world. they are gone and we did it. We built a monster that is already destroying India. that is just the start of things to come. So who are the real monsters in all of this? The people making money from selling vaccines? that now we all will become addicted to? The politicians in USA paid off to let this happen? Our Media? Or us who went with an agenda because "orange man bad"
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How powerful are US intelligence agencies?

Leftists seem to speak of these intelligence agencies as all-knowing, all-powerful entities that can squash any political movement they don't like and overthrow any government they don't like. They also allegedly control all US media outlets (except maybe Grayzone, but they may be controlled by Chinese or Russian intelligence agencies instead) and all US political organizations (including ostensibly socialist orgs like DSA and CPUSA). How much power do these agencies actually have?
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On the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan

The PDPA killed tens of thousands, pushed unpopular policies that hurt people, and the USSR waged total war killing 500k to 2m civilians. If you think Maoists and even anarchists being part of the mujahideen in the opposition of that is bad, then that's disgusting. The Mujahijdeen were freedom fighters, not terrorists. A small faction of veterans of the war broke off to oppose the mujahideen government.
U.S., China, Egypt, Pakistan, U.K., and the entire muslim world funded the mujahideen. In fact, most Mujahideen-funding came from private muslim organizations across MENA because their cause was just.
Every military-aged man was Mujahideen in the 1980s. Bin Laden and Omar literally made their own groups after the Soviets left literally to oppose the Mujahideen Islamic state government, helping aid in the fight against the PDPA and the genocidal USSR was good.
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There are actual Nazis that really love Hitler and the German aryan race and shit or they're all zoomer LARP'ers with self-esteem problems? Could they be considered a serious political movement? This whole shit looks so weird from the outside. It seems like a fucking shitshow that no one takes seriously, not even /pol/ themselves…
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"The Workers"

An image beloved of both the internet right and the left. The worker. "Imagine going up to a worker", they say, "and saying what you've just said." Often they are specific: The steelworker, the tired coal miner, the teamster, etc. But one must ask: what does the worker of today look like?

This figure is everywhere, watching over us. We like this idea of the worker, he is pleasing to have around. He works a real job, a job that produces things. There is unfortunately a catch: A soldier is closer to a representation of the average western worker than he is. (Some quick numbers: US coal mines employ about 50,000 people. The US military has 480,000 soldiers.) No, if you want an image of the average worker today, you're looking at the other pictures. People with smartphones and Twitter accounts. People who'll talk your ears off about films, not good films like Blue Collar (1978), films like Black Widow (2021), which they don't even watch in photogenic cinemas - no, they watch them in bed on their laptops, or perhaps if they're still students then with a HDMI cable awkwardly slung from a precariously balanced MacBook Pro in the middle of their shared flats. They're not the people you wish were your dad, they're the people you went to school if you're not underaged. A disproportionate number of them have degrees. Or perhaps they're the old people, practically invisible to you now. The middle aged ones who sit watching daytime television. The unemployed. The people who get in your way at the supermarket, the people who sit beside you on the bus when you'd really rather be left alone listening to your spotify playlist.
They are not, by and large, "aesthetic". There is no gigantic repertoire of social realist art to look on that will make you appreciate the low paid social worker in her office tabbing through an excel sheet of case-work. No obvious visible end product from the care workers looking after forgotten retirees. Some think "after the revolution, I will be a miner", but who thinks "after the revolution, I will work in the [former] amazon warehouse."? And it is this force, this lack of a clear image in one's mind that is so pernicious. Without a clear image of the modern working class, people quickly fall back to their file photo - the working class of the days before everyone had a colour television.

So what? "Well", you think "First of all I object to your characterization, you haven't specifically highlighted…" yeah, great. That's not relevant. Here's what's relevant: If you're marketing anything from Anti-Aircraft Guns to Pepsi to Zimbabwean holidays, you've got to know your target market. Socialists rarely do. /leftypol/ in particular has a glaring vulnerability in that it's also interlinked with imageboard culture, which has its own set of norms which are often clashing and contradictory. It's not uncommon on /tech/ to see, for example: We are leftists, we love the workers, and yet we hate 'normalfa–normies!'' - bad news! You're talking about the same people! Put the "um actually" screencap away: It's the same people! Your lot just don't know how to market to them!
Even those socialists who aren't naive enough to fall into the trap of "What would THE WORKERS think of this?" often fall into it by stealth when trying to advance their cause. It is surely a fact that communist parties have devoted more time fretting about how to make REAL socialism appealing to the relatively small number of unionized railway drivers than they have to finding a way to make it appealing to the much greater number of underemployed Tumblr users. That's something that will have to be resolved as a simple matter of fact, however much you might not like many of the groups that entails rallying together: You can't say "workers of the world unite!" in one breath, and then go "except the Tumblr users, the ones with bad taste in films, the ugly ones, the university educated, the deviants, the Windows users, the call centre workers, the Polish, the ones without a "real" job, the city dwellers, the unemployed, the country dwellers…." in the next.
No, if you want to lead the working class, the first thing you're going to need to do is get clear in your mind who actually composes it. Then you're going to have to remind yourself that your job is to rally them all together based on their common class interests.
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Are they run by FBI agents?

I have often heard it said that the FBI took over Communist Party USA back during the Cold War, and that the organization is now used as a honeypot to trap socialists. Is this true?
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>“Good evening, today, our fellow athletes, our gold medals, our very freedom came under attack in a series of deliberate and devastating acts by the Russian Olympic Committee and China"
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>With widespread, sustained declines in fertility, the world population will likely peak in 2064 at around 9.7 billion, and then decline to about 8.8 billion by 2100 – about 2 billion lower than some previous estimates, according to a new study. Improvements in access to modern contraception and the education of girls and women are generating widespread, sustained declines in fertility

>The modelling research uses data from the Global Burden of Disease Study 2017 to project future global, regional, and national population. Using novel methods for forecasting mortality, fertility, and migration, the researchers from the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) at the University of Washington's School of Medicine estimate that by 2100, 183 of 195 countries will have total fertility rates (TFR), which represent the average number of children a woman delivers over her lifetime, below replacement level of 2.1 births per woman. This means that in these countries populations will decline unless low fertility is compensated by immigration.

How will this effect politics? Will declining population lower the overall profit rate of capitalism? Will capitalism's ability to generate ever higher profits finally crap the bed when there aren't ever larger amounts of people for porky to use as workers and
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"The older you get the more conservative you become"

Yet that doesnt feel like the case as I've gotten older I've only resented capitalism more and more it's been documented that Good working conditions, Embracing rapid technological growth, Increasing population densities and the size of cities along with promoting Full employment are the biggest factors behind the rapid accumulation of material wealth for an economy, all of whom are almost never promoted in capitalist societies like the united states if profit is lost, neoliberal cities like New York city, paris, sao Paulo, tokyo, London etc feel like hell on earth due to the rampant homelessness, crime, corruption, poverty and wealth inequality that occur in those cities, problems that could easily be fixed in a month at most yet keep themselves alive because neoliberal policies keep them alive as it generates profit. Hell most of the "successful" buissnesses like amazon and apple dont even make an actual profit anymore they get their money directly off tax payer money to fulfill government interests but the tax payer is completely alienated from any of the benefits these borderline government institutions bring, this is all happening while technological innovation is actually decelerating in growth if not halting completely like what's going on in Europe while companies like Pfizer and moderna are making billions off scamming people to take a never ending barrage of nonworking vaccines. Whatever the fuck happens to the rich in the near future is anyone's guess but it's not gonna be a pretty site for them as they're causing alot of problems and at this point are viewed by me less like hardworking individuals or at the very least individuals that were smart enough to organize people into doing great things but rather as international thieves and scammers
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Pencil man is victorious and travelling around the country while Keiko and her lawyers try any card to subvert the election.
Prev. threads:
>>>/leftypol_archive/14633 #1
>>>/leftypol_archive/15250 #2
>>>/leftypol_archive/15858 #3
>>>/leftypol_archive/16499 #4
>>>/leftypol_archive/17177 #5
>>>/leftypol_archive/17849 #6
>>305248 #7
>>307155 #8
>>310902 #9
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Animals and the Mentally Deficient

Do mentally deficient people on the level of animals produce value? Let's say you employ an absolute retard rather than a bull to pull your trolley. Why is the bull constant capital and the retard variable capital? Or do retards count as constant capital?
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Marvin Heemeyer

What's the Far-Left opinion on this dude? Was he just some insane small business owner going on a rampage. Or was he a genuinely justified little guy getting crushed by the government?
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Individualism vs. Collectivism

I wanted to respond to the post about "communism as conservatism" but the jannies deleted it. I resist!


>But in all cases, what it originally meant to be a conservative was to try to conserve the aristocratic order, and the culture it created to survive (religion, etc.). Conservatives were always opposed to democracy, favoring social stability over political/individual liberty. Conservatives were counter-revolutionaries, trying to undo democracy and liberal reform.
Well, the Soviet Union could get into some pretty avant-garde stuff in the 1920s. Look at the art and experimental theatre and films from the time. It was pretty radical. I think starting with Stalin though, things that tended to individualize people began to be discouraged, which led to a kind of conservatism (in a sense), because conservatism was no longer seen as upholding capitalism, but preserving socialism, stably as it was. I can understand this, and I like some of these values. It may have even been necessary at some level. But I think it also became fossilized in place. And it created contradictions. Because if we're supposed to conform to "socialism," and there's corruption within the party with officials taking advantage of their positions for personal reasons, then that is a big political problem. It's like individualism for them, collectivism for us. Capitalist societies don't have this problem because it's your own individual failing if you're not gaming the system to your advantage.

But I suppose it is becoming a problem because we have individualism for us, and they have collectivism for them (in a sense). The rich dress in sleek conformist turtlenecks like Steve Jobs or Elizabeth Holmes (remember her from Theranos?) and rig the system to benefit themselves as a group at the expense of everyone else.

>Maybe the anxieties in the West today stem from too much democracy and freedom, not too little. When individualistic liberty is taken to its logical end, people are left with nothing to believe in but selfishness, greed, sex, and their personal identity. […] Liberty and individual freedom lead a society to nihilism and self-destruction.

I think you're really onto something. I can only speak to the U.S., but I think that the society that produced me was really repressed for a long time. You might say this about "Western civilization" in general for centuries with the role of the Christian religion. English Victorianism. American church culture. My dad grew up in a very strict, very conservative religious household and he rebelled against it. I don't blame him at all because it sounded really stifling.

The counterculture in the 1960s was about expressing yourself and individual freedom. Conservatives and traditionalists are deeply discomfited by the 1960s, but what did they think was going to happen? It was the negation of what came before. You don't get the negation without the repressed conservatism that preceded it, like a kid who grows up in a conservative household and then goes off to college and goes completely crazy with partying and drinking and having sex all the time because he was deprived that in high school. The wider culture turned to its opposite and embraced unbridled liberty and freedom as abstract ideals. Everything in the world turns into its opposite sooner or later.

But "freedom" and "liberty" has now turned into a kind of unfreedom and a loss of liberty. I think this is like the anti-mask people or "I'm not going to get a vaccine because it's my (abstract) 'right'" and blah blah blah. They've taken away the freedom of others because of their selfishness. The countries that handled the pandemic the best were Asian societies – which are not as conformist or as conservative as some people in the West think but they probably don't put individual freedom on a pedestal as extreme as these American boomers do. You notice they're a lot of boomers, right? But they're often on the political right. They turned to their opposite too and became ultra-individualist "conservatives" (in a sense) holding onto a "system" that is just falling apart.

So maybe what's next is the "negation of the negation." Thus the society returns to its positive. But what that looks like might not look like America in the 1950s.
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/SEA/ - Southeast Asia General

5th Edition: Real succdem hour edition

Discuss anything on Southeast Asian politics. Elections, open orgs, Myanmar breaking apart or just random shit. There’r still dozens of us… hopefully!

Matrix room: https://matrix.to/#/!YeYeuZuLSYkegWssey:matrix.org?via=matrix.org

Last threads:
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Cuban Situation General /csg/

Last one got Full Continued from >>382756
Cuban Situation General: Gusano Armada Food for the Sharks Edition

Very good analysis of what happened
The protests were sponsored by the US using social media:
Thousands rally in support of cuban government:
US Efforts "To Destroy Cuba" Have Failed: President Diaz-Canel
Cuban exiles will set sail in an armada of 100 small boats from Florida on Monday July 19th:


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Anarchism General 3.0 -Orsetti Edition

Thread for the discussion of Anarchism.

Old one is full (>>139334)

Foundational texts:
>Alexander Berkman, ABCs of Anarchist-Communism
>Peter Kropotkin, Mutual Aid: A Factor of Evolution
>Errico Malatesta, Anarchism and Organization

Contemporary theory:
>Tiqqun, This Is Not a Program
>Anonymous, Desert

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/auspol/ - Australia General II

Thread dedicated to the discussion of Australian politics and events.

Come one come all to watch this island off the coast of Asia slowly slide into a workers paradise or a live-action version of Mad Max.

Previous thread: >>>/leftypol_archive/19690
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/webm/ thread

This thread is for posting any form of /lefty/ videos files ranging from .webm or .mp4, or other
The last thread hit the bump limit, so post new or old videos here.
Link to the last thread here: >>201250
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Counter contrarian view: small online internet communities should be purged

One could say that small online internet communities allow people to distance themselves away from the monotony of MSM and normalfag media but what ends up happening in broken down communities is all that happens is a new cult is created, one only has to notice how every fucking(and I repeat) every fucking /pol/ user on this board consistently posts the same types of threads with so little variation that you know who wrote them before even bothering to read their posts, bunkerchan isnt different being that the cult mentality found within its users isnt different with a significant portion of members justifying events like the holodomor or showing blind support for terrorist groups that attack their own people. With other small boards like stormfront obscure reddit communities and sites like 16chan and 8chan the cult like mentality is strong enough that you can find reports of people being driven to suicide, young men committing domestic terrorism to fit in with board culture or on discord when it was still obscure with stories like rico that lead to 100s of victims getting doxed and blackmailed to serve the interests of perverted communities. Unified platforms arent perfect but there are times when I feel like I have more freedom of speech on sites like YouTube's comment section than on blue boards and nsfw boards on 4chan simply because community sizes are too large for any group to organize anything significant much less initiate any psychological damage to themselves or others
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Socialist Realism

why did stalin ban the avant garde? Why did he have to make art conform to his shit tier taste?
Actually why the soviet union post lenin adopt that shitty socialist realism?
The USSR was one on the greatest experiments in Human History, but on this they totally shitted the bed.
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Where is the rigor

Where the actual fuck is any kind of mathematical theory describing marginalist theory?

The supply/demand chart supposedly allows us to derive prices from two combining sources: the supply of a product and the demand for that product.

Let us take this notion seriously.

Supply is going to necessarily going to be in some kind of quantity of a commodity. Ounces of gold, pounds of wheat, individual toys, tools, furniture. Whatever.

Price is going to be expressed in some monetary unit. Dollars, yuan, etc. Therefore, in order to get the proper units to convert, demand must be a unit of "dollars per commodity" so that the units cancel properly.

How does one determine what the current value of the "dollars per commodity" variable is? You can not determine this from the sale price because then you are circularly defining the price from the demand and the demand from the price. What is measured to resolve this?

Since supply and demand are expressed as curves, these curves have to have their own functions. How are they derived? Since supply and demand both have curves that cross both the "quantity" axis and the "price" axis, they're both inherently reliant on the price itself in the definition of their functions.

How the actual fuck is this even supposed to work out from a unit cancellation rigor standpoint?
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The Boring Manifesto: a spiritual guide to revolutionary aesthetics

The title is clickbait, but I dare you to heed these words:

Why people are reading less and less? Why so few take on demanding hobbies, such as learning an instrument, gardening, painting or bird watching? Why people becoming so stupid, lazy and dull?
Because we've externalized the richness that used to be within us. In the neoliberal model of economics, we bound over brands, we express ourselves through products and we identify with personified corporations.
Revolution is not a possibility because the light that burned within us is out, we've becomed hollowed, less than human.
There's only one way to revive this humanity that commodities have usurped from us and become strong again: we need to reject all that is flashy, captivating, colourful, attractive, unique. We must embrace the opposite. Not what is repulsive, like the fash do, but that which is so unremarkable as to become invisible. We must embrace and learn to love the boring, the mundane, the unmarketable: the unrecuperable.
I am reminded of those dystopian movies, like 1984, where we know the future is terrible because everybody looks the same. Individuality is crushed, they say. If your individuality is something so flimsy that can be reduced to your hair cut and clothes, I say fuck your individuality, and fuck you while we're at it. We must understand that even if we all looked the exact same, had the exact same job and the exact same voice, our inner lives could still be rich if we're willing to put the work.
Willing to study, to read, to pratice, to discuss, to observe, to listen, and all the other shit we don't do because we'd rather play triple A games and watch Disney movies.
So dare to wear plain clothes, get rid of your tv, shave your beard, appreciate the local flora breaking through concrete, talk to the people on your neighborhood, read the newspaper, refuse the instant gratification and soon enough you'll discover that no algorithim can tailor the perfect living experience for you.
Art is not to be consumed, but to be made and forgotten, like sand castles. Clothes aren't supposed to be cool, they're supposed to protect you. You house doesn't need to be awesome, it needs to shelter your. Fuck podcasts, I want deep conversations with people I know. Fuck music albums, I want to play guitar and sing with my friends in a sunday afternoon.
And once we shed the illusion that consumption of any kind can bring happiness, once we embrace the boring that is a part of human life, once we take our minds back, we can take the world back.
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Line 3 is a tar sands pipeline that’s running 1,097 miles from Edmonton in Alberta Canada all the way to Superior in Wisconsin USA. Enbridge, the company placing this pipeline, is responsible for the largest inland oil spill in history. All of their pipelines leak and their corporation is notorious for under-maintaining their lines. The line is in progress of being constructed and has already polluted hundreds of miles of wetlands, rivers, lakes, and even aquifers along its path with toxins and carcinogenic chemicals. It will affect the fresh water supply for millions of people of all kinds.

Why should you care? If the scale of pollution doesn’t move you, then I’ll have you know, the pipeline goes right across my family’s land in Mahnomen county in Minnesota. Land my family has settled and farmed for over 120 years. The pipeline is planned to go straight through me and my late grandfather’s favorite fishing lake before he was hit by a drunk driver, if that wasn’t tragic enough. My entire family lives there and they live on the well water from the ground in every single household. This is land my brother and I are expected to one day inherit and take care of.
I’m not of any indigenous descent, but I stand by their struggle to protect the land, because it’s been made very, very personal.
We all need your help. So I ask you, I beg you, sign the petition to stop line 3.
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Should I buy a T-90 for the revolution?

>The T-90A was deployed to Syria in 2015 to support the Russian involvement in the Syrian Civil War.[22] In early February 2016, Syrian Army forces began using T-90As in combat.[citation needed] In late February, a video was leaked on the internet which showed a T-90 survive a direct frontal turret hit by a TOW missile in Aleppo.[23]

This motherfucker can take all the counter revolutionaries on
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Esoteric Hitlerism General: AFAP Edition (ALL FASCISTS ARE PEDOS)

This is the thread dedicated to researching, discussing, exploring, and laughing at, that element of the far right which we have come to term "esoteric hitlerist" but more broadly a thread for documenting the extreme right.

To sum up, as it says in the title, this entire strand of thought is more or less an intelligence operation carried out mostly by pedophiles, with a strong satanic/ esoteric influence. On top of this, there are several interesting connections to these operations and operatives and Zionism.

The purpose of these operations, as are the purpose of all CIA operations, is to suppress and destroy the real movement that abolishes the present state of things, the mass movement organised workers, the socialist and communist movement.

What follows is a series of links, references and thoughts which document this feature of capitalist hegemony.

Link to last thread archive:


The thread from which it was born:


If anybody has the thread inbetween those archived that would be wonderful, all the info is copied into that first link but some of the discussion was good and bants.

Fresh Material courtesy of a Based Anon:



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News 7/30/21

Tens of thousands take to streets of Guatemala demanding resignation of president
ROADS were blocked across Guatemala on Thursday as tens of thousands of workers took part in a national strike to demand the resignation of scandal-ridden President Alejandro Giammettei. Anger erupted after well-known anti-corruption prosecutor Juan Francisco Sandoval was sacked by Attorney General Maria Porras last week.

Acute Food Insecurity To Increase in Colombia, Haiti, Guatemala
FAO and WFP lamented that efforts to combat a global surge in acute food insecurity are often hampered by political tensions and blockages, preventing families on the brink of famine from receiving assistance. Bureaucratic hurdles and lack of funding also slow UN agencies' efforts to provide emergency food assistance and enable farmers to plant at the right time.

Cuba rejects statement by European Union high representative
'I strongly reject statement by the EU High Representative in which he dares not mention by name the genocidal US blockade that violates European sovereignty and imposes its laws and courts on it. About #Cuba, he lies and manipulates,' she wrote.

Salvadorans Protest Against Bukele and Recall Student Massacre
Salvadoran students and workers called for a march against President Nayib Bukele on Friday, the day on which citizens remember the massacre of students at the University of El Salvador on July 30, 1975. … Salvadorans also reject the possibility of reforming the Constitution through a plebiscite to be held in September, despite the fact that the current legal framework does not allow for such a possibility.

Palestinian prisoners in Israel stage hunger strike against administrative detention
“I fear that my child will grow up while I’m away in prison,” Mujahed Hamed, a Palestinian detained in one of Israel's prisons in the Negev region, wrote in a letter to his family. Hamed is among 540 Palestinian prisoners held in Israeli prisons under its contested policy of administrative detention, under which Israel detains individuals - overwhelmingly Palestinians - without trial or charges for renewable periods of up to six months.

Five protesters jailed for role in Kill the Bill demos in Bristol
FIVE protesters have been jailed for a combined total of over 14 years for their role in Kill the Bill demos in Bristol earlier this year. Appearing at Bristol Crown Court today, the defendants had been told to expect prison sentences after four pleaded guilty to rioting and one to public indecency.

Revealed: Science Museum signed gagging clause with exhibition sponsor Shell
The Science Museum has signed a gagging clause in its agreement with Shell International to sponsor its climate change exhibition, agreeing to take care not to say anything that could damage the company’s reputation, Channel 4 News has learnt.

Thai media restrictions raise freedom of expression concerns
While Prime Minister Prayuth Chan-ocha has long sought to crack down on what he calls fake news and has a government department devoted to it, the new regulations, announced late Thursday, include the ability to prosecute people for distributing “news that may cause public fear.”

Jobs Lost, Dip in Income: Survey of Delhi Workers During Second Wave Paints Grim Picture
The survey, conducted by the Delhi unit of the Communist Party of India (Marxist) (CPI(M)) during the first two weeks of June this year, found that out of the 1,917 surveyed workers, about 65% of the respondents were not employed at all in the months of April and May while others reported a considerable dip in their income.

Japan’s state of emergency extended to four more regions after worsening Covid numbers
The decision to expand the areas under a state of emergency comes in response to Japan having this week recorded the highest number of positive cases since the start of the pandemic. Friday’s tally of 3,300 came after a record 3,865 cases on Thursday.
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You aren't ready for this documentary

This will destroy everything you thought about growth, de-growth (Malthusianism), and the "alternative economy".

Effectively BTFOs ecologists, an-prims, third worldists, market socialists, and a bunch of other losers and goons.
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Marx and Joint Production

How is value determined in the case of joint production?

Let's say, it takes 15 hours of labour on average to raise and slaughter a chicken for its meat. How does the value of the chicken's foot or wing compare to the value of the chicken's head or the chicken's feathers?
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Stepford People

I am doing a USA tour and the most striking thing is all the fakeness in people's behaviour. Fake smiles, fake kindness, fake attitude in general. Everyone looks like the women from that story Stepford wives, only itnis everybody. How is USA society still function on so many layers of pretend? Isn't almost everyone mentally ill due to all this acting all the time?
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QTDDTOT - Questions that don't need their own thread. The last one died, so here post your questions here.

I'll start, why is a centralized authority important to achieving communism and why is this seen a positive aspect.
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Is bodybuilding a peak example of the endavours,grit and discipline of the New Man(socialist new man),or rather a borguise pastime and meaningless show-off contest?
did the soviet union have BB contests like it did have olympic lifters?
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/leftydeutschpol/ - Deutschland General

Letzter Pfaden wurde dank der /Pol/acken vom Brett gepusht. Deshalb ein neues Deutschland General.
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OC Thread 9.0

Thread dedicated to /leftypol/ original content
Post original content you've made, or OC someone else recently made which you want to share.
Or ITT collaborate on improving content already made.

This is the place where you can find all /leftypol/ memes n' shit
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Fuck PKK - They are Not Communists

Stop it, even Castro hated those faggots. They always had been funded by imperial-core and there are proofs for that
I live in Turkey and those bastards did nothing for leftism at southeast; they didn't make any labor-strike, they didn't spread communism to youth, they didn't make anything for causes like secularism or feminism. What they only did was tricking* the kurdish youth (where they use them as a tool, many of them becomes regretful) and doing terrorıst attacks against civillians, mostly proletariat. They didn't make any attack against our bourgeoisie, while orgs like DHKP-C were literally kidnapping them and killing them at live*(or similar attacks).They did nothing but made racial-relations worse and created an schizoism for nationalism at there, while some of them were literal ultranationalists which called theirselves "Aryan". They made communism's optics really bad, where being anarchist/communist literally means being a (,anti-civillian) terrorıst and you need to say "i'm a communist but not support them" to the people. Those faggots are getting their money from dirty places, such as drugs/prositituon*/gunrunning/human trafficking, which damages the proletariat
Now those son of a bitches flamed 23 forests at there. I'm not saying they killed civillians, they burned the forests with the animals inside. When they were fucking pro-ecology? They literally burned up entire forests and killed a lot of animals while many of proletariat had lose their houses and jobs. HOW IS IT FUCKING RELATED TO LEFTISM, ESPECİALLY FOR ECOLOGY?!
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This is what working class leaders look like

Not your children of slave traders like Fidel Castro whos parents owned massive amounts of land.

She came from nothing and achieved something Boone thought possible from economic status.

Liberals of course will just shit on her and cheer on the next ivory tower ivy league prepped candidate they want
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Crypto-MMT-value theory hybrid to take over the world


I’ve been thinking about something tonight that I wanted feedback on, like whether anybody can just tear it apart or give constructive crits. It was basically a riff off of the idea that Bitcoin has a lot of volatility partially because by design its value is volatile (in the classical sense). This isn’t my observation or anything, I’ve seen it in several places, but due to the fact BTC’s block difficulty increases with the hashrate (the material costs of BTC rise) but the reward is arbitrarily fixed to the halving schedule (ever mined block rewards some fixed amount of bitcoin for several years), then the material cost (the labor cost, or similar to Ricardo, in BTC’s own terms the “difficulty”) systematically deviates from the amount of coins produced. Basically, if BTC was like any other commodity the more invested in mining it would produce more of it. But instead, the value of each BTC just inflates because no matter how much you invest in mining it, you keep getting the same amount.

So BTC’s price is just a feedback loop of the speculation on it. There isn’t a normal regulating pressure towards a natural price like other commodities, instead the value just rises with the demand. With other commodities, investment as a response to high demand usually causes the price to fall back down to its value as more are produced at the relatively stable difficulty of its production in terms of labor (all else being equal, ie no big technical changes or exogenous shocks throwing off the conditions of production).

So this has a pretty simple fix, just make something like BTC’s block reward a ratio of its difficulty. The difficulty still rises to make blocks mined at regular intervals, but as the difficulty rises the blocks produce more coins. So that should put a downwards pressure on the price of each bitcoin, it will converge closer to its cost of production as miners sell their BTC on the market for more competitive profit margins between each other and across the wider market.

So there is the crypto and value-theory part, and leave aside for a moment the question of liquidity, why people would be buying and selling this crypto as a medium of exchange. First lets get the big vision in picture. Where does MMT come in? Well, I figured that if you had a sovereign issuer of the currency, like the proverbial “money printer”, then you could use the liquidity of the currency to make money “out of thin air”. But of course, you can’t make too much too fast. It has to be in respect to the liquidity, the open market has to be able to absorb your sale of the crypto without strongly throwing off the price. But again, leave that aside for a moment. Just assume you can, that the market is liquid enough. Imagine the Printer is controlled by the working class, obviously through democratically structured working class organizations. So the Printer is accountable and transparent to the working class.

What does the Printer do with the money? In accordance with MMT, the sovereign issuer can spend as much of its currency as it wants and is only constrained by the productivity of the market that is using it. Basically, as long as more goods and services are being traded in the currency, then it isn’t going to drastically inflate. How does the Printer increase its market, which is basically increasing the size and liquidity of the market for its currency? It uses the money to buy property, which it leases, leases being payable in the currency (as far as I know, in the US you can accept whatever you want for payment federally, but state laws may vary. You just need to pay your taxes in dollars). But why do this, what does it have to do with socialism or the working class? Well, you can buy residential land and lease it back to housing cooperatives you help the tenants form, or for homes you can do what Community Land Trusts do and kind of simulate a housing market, except you lower the costs significantly by turning the land value into a modest lease (which is basically georgism, CLTs are like little non-profit georgists).

So now you’re taking residential property off of the housing market and leasing it for modest fees payable in the crypto. This creates liquidity as it raises demand for the crypto, stabilizing the price as when the exchange rate to dollars is low the lessees will buy more so they can pay cheaper fees, which pushes the price back up. So you’re creating a growing market in the crypto, and you’re culling landlordism. Great, but we can go further.

So take how businesses often get sold. Often the buyer will buy the assets + goodwill of the business and leave the actual LLC or corporation as a shell that still has all of its liabilities. So you avoid any hidden debt bombs or anything like that. The Printer can do the same thing, but the Printer isn’t interested in owning businesses. It just wants to lease property to the people who live and work with it to control it mutually. So instead it buys the assets + goodwill and it tells the employees it will help them form a worker cooperative and lease them the stuff. Of course, they pay it in the crypto. So now we are in businesses, and we are converting them to worker coops while continuing to expand the liquidity of our currency in a virtuous cycle.

I think that is a decent summary of the big vision, so now jump backwards to how you get started. It would be very difficult, as crypto people will be skeptical of a Proof of Work coin that has what appears as an arbitrarily powerful network participant. Why have this decentralized PoW coin but also a money printer? Well on one hand ideally the crypto is actually competitive when it comes to transaction fees, so that businesses and individuals might be induced to choose it to make transactions and transfer money rather than something like Visa. If that is the case, great, we are in the free market now! But I don’t think you want to rely on that, after all how do you market this thing? The crypto space is awash in random scammy coins, how do you stand out and grow enough to start your scheme of printing and selling crypto to raise money?

That is where practical politics comes in, the only way I can imagine it is if you partner with currently existing orgs and influential people on the left. And after all, this isn’t supposed to be your dictatorship, it has to be sustainable. It has to be democratically accountable, the working class needs to engage with it and have oversight of it, have a stake. So you partner with some orgs that have reach through either their membership or simply their social presence, and they communicate what is going on. Hopefully then you have an activist base that basically starts trying to help by finding ways to transact in the currency, contributing computing power to a mining pool would be easy and helpful, to increase its liquidity. They’re basically indirectly funding the project, so you’re pooling funds without using crowdfunding or issuing securities. It is all decentralized, people are mining the coins themselves. It is only later when the market is more liquid that the Printer comes in, prints some and sells it at the market rate. Then it gets to work.

Ideally this would grow exponentially, as there would be that virtuous cycle of growing the market for the currency by acquiring and leasing property in the currency (simulating a tax basically). Eventually you’d probably run into legal trouble, hopefully because of how threatening you look, and you start getting sued or dragged before Congress or something. But this is actually good and normal. You’re being threatening, you’ve started expropriating the capitalist class with their own tools. It is like a leveraged buyout of their class’s property. But when Congress or the SEC or whatever starts taking you to task, starts calling you criminal, you just make it loud and clear in public that all you’ve done is increase the wealth of the working class. You’re not price gouging or anything, what is your crime? Who are you hurting? Obviously the answer is the bourgeoisie, you’re threatening their hegemony over capital. So the class struggle comes out, there is a real alternative being presented. Do you want control over the money printer to be in the hands of this cabal of assholes who are trying to stop you so they can continue funding military adventures and benefits for the wealthy? Or do you go with the money printer that lowered the cost of living of hopefully hundreds of thousands of people and made them wealthier by cutting out their landlords and capitalists?

Last thing I’ll say is that obviously this idea is low on details, which would necessarily be messy as finding real political consensus and will on the left to embark on such an exotic project would be hard. I think a lot of the bigger orgs would feel threatened by it too, in the sense that they’d feel the inherent risk involved. But ironically I think that risk comes from how this structure would definitely expose them to various forms of legal harassment due to how it doesn’t really have many institutional precedents. The DSA has an institutional shape, it is a non-profit political association. Labor unions have institutional shapes, they have prescribed channels with calculable risk. But something like this doesn’t, which is a part of what gives it its opportunity. It would have to have a strong democratic connection to the people it is participating with. The tenants would need to have powers in something like the bylaws of the Printer, like the ability to veto any proposed building sale by the Printer. I think aside from any democratic means of appointing the managers of the Printer (through the orgs or through membership as tenants or whatever), those kinds of isolated veto powers would be helpful in making sure that the larger org doesn’t abuse the smaller parts that are using the mutually owned property, and the smaller parts don’t abuse the whole
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When was it that you broke away from the group think and realized /Pol/Pot actually did nothing wrong?: the Intellectuals always fuck everything up and he knew it that
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Effective Altruism

What does /leftypol/ think about the Effective Altruism movement?
For those of you who don't know it a very popular idea among Silicon Valley business leaders and focuses on doing the most good in the world by focusing on the long term outcomes of earth based life many many generations in the future.

Current Affairs recently published an article criticizing it
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/crisis/ General

💰️DOW/Market Watch Thread💰️
monitoring the market, trends, fluctuations, etc.
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What is your honest opinion on Counterpunch? I keep following it because I like Jeffrey St. Clair and Patrick Cockburn, but half of what they publish has the feel of planted stories from the state department and the other half is so amateurish it's like they deliberately curate material from children.
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/brg/ Brasil General /brg/

Tv Senado 24h Pay-per-view edition

Last one got full

Melhor compilação dos atos circenses do executivo federal: https://medoedelirioembrasilia.wordpress.com/
Não inclui eventos nos picadeiros legislativo e executivo que não envolvem o executivo.

Narração em tempo real da CPI: https://twitter.com/camarotedacpi/
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/leftybritpol/ Not Coming Home Edition

Well they gave it their best shot. Maybe World Cup will be the one. At least they still have cricket. Hopefully a riot breaks out right nor or something.
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/Larouche/ shitposting

It is obvious to me that the Neo Aristolean British Venitian Elites have placed their cards in the college institutions. We are dealing with PURE LOBOTOMY. YOU GOT THAT? An entire generation of babbling idiots. We must return to the policies of FDR and GET THE FASCIST BRITISH BANKERS OUT. Biden is clearly a tool of London like a modern-day Benedict Arnold. He is clinically impaired to the point where WE KNOW who is running things. It's the Trilateral Commission. Who funds them? THE ROCKEFELLERS. THE ROCKEFELLERS ARE RUN FROM LONDON! Completely British controlled. SATAN, PURE SATAN.
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What is the real death toll of socialism?
This post is a test to reveal that /leftypol/acks are actually existing tankies, no better than /pol/ in being honest about their idealism. I hope that some of you can prove me wrong. It should go without saying, but every civilisation and ideology has resulted in atrocities and if you're incapable of admitting those of your own (without comforting stipulations like "b-but they deserved it!!1!") then you're living in a spooked fucking fantasy world.
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whats your thoughts on juan peron ? hes been called a fascist, a communist, a populist, an example of "real existing third positionism" and a nazbol so what the fuck is his actual views ? are there any argentinians here that can tell me about this guy ?
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Why would someone hate capitalism?

If you wanted you could help people right now and become rich beyond your biggest dreams. That is if you're capable of innovating some form of advancement that would extend our lives in a meaningful way or even capable of becoming a doctor.

Why would anyone hate a system that rewards good deeds?
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are tourists allowed in USA left?

for some reasons i need to travel to the US of A;as socialist,am I welcome to partake in leftist activities during my stay there?
should i abstain from going to fast food places due to the explotation there? can i interact with the homeless?
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What would be the case for gradually pushing further left by disguising yourselves as liberals? It seems overt abrasive screeching ML talking points on twitter isn't very effective at persuading normies.
>muh appeel to da centur
yes. and the center will move left
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socialism will win !

This is the thread for good news.

People have a tendency to focus on what is going wrong and miss out on what is going well.
I'm also suspecting that there is a doomer astroturf going on.

To counteract this a little i want to ask you to post uplifting news.
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Lived in China for several years as an English Teacher

AMA, I spent a few years in China between the years 2008-2012 as an English teacher among many other jobs. i will answer any and all questions you guys may have about my time and experiences there, please don't move this thread mods.
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Democratic Socialists of America convention meets to promote Democratic Party
>From August 1 to 8, 1,300 delegates of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) will meet online for the organization’s biennial convention.

DSA lecture topics:
"Using Elected Office to Build Socialism" demonstrated in two successive elections by Bernie Sanders who showed millions how to use elected office to kill socialism by handing it over to the Democrats. Success indeed!

“What Can Religious Traditions Offer the Left?" Around two millenia's worth of experience in wealth accumulation by theft, exploitation, crusades & other acts of conquest by mass violence; bigotry, sexual perversion, anti-science based on primitive beliefs, not to mention centuries of suppression of all desire for human progress held by ordinary working people. Everything the capitalists need.

As for identity politics: female CEOs, black & Hispanic cops murdering poor people, #MeToo; Obama the black President "of change" who broke every electoral promise he made and waged unceasing war while deporting millions & handing $trillions to the banks; Hilary Clinton who lies through her teeth, serves Wall Street and the Pentagon's war machine.

And how does freeing Julian Assange fit into the DSA's scheme? Or stopping Covid, fascism, global warming or World War 3?

Such progressive credentials. One could not hope for a more structured defence of the capitalist system, where "pragmatism" means 100% compliance with the latter, including praising Ramon Mercader. The missing element, i.e. rebranding the Democratic party as "socialist," is supplied by the other half of the two-party system - the fascistic Republicans.
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Thoughts on "survivors of Communism"

I've seen a lot of stories on the Internet regarding… survivors of Communism? Are they really "survivors"? Or are they just seeking freedom after being brainwashed internally by CIA psyops asking them to flee (x) and we reward you with
>muh freedom?
Do they really suffer? Do they really live in misery?
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Are fed agents really watching anyone on this board?

With the amount of VPN usage, false flagging, larping, and hacking that occurs on this site and the land of obscure imageboards as a whole collecting information on the people that browse imageboards would be exceptionally difficult especially when you consider that multiple people can be using the same IP address or addresses that lead to dead ends or imageboard users can simply live in countries that the cia goons and the FEDs have little control over. On top of that it's been documented on sites like stormfront and 8Kun the feds have repeatedly failed to prevent outbreaks of terrorism or the sharing of cheese pizza and amount to nothing more than a boogeyman on most imageboards to derail threads that could reveal the information of anons. Am I right or does someone have anything to counter me
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2022 Olympics thread!

Thread revolves around the 2022 Olympics! What do you guys think about the Games? What do you guys think of the boycott? Would this game gross high on tickets? Would this game be a time when China flexes its new stuff to the world? Would this game invite huge protests (particularly in the Western world)? Would this game Would this game be a safe one, or would it be a super-spreader event? Would you like to buy its merch, or wouldn't you?
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Thoughts on censorship?

What do you guys think about censorship? Particularly those done by seemingly "authoritarian" regimes like China and North Korea and to a lesser extent Vietnam, Indonesia, Thailand, Cambodia, and Russia? Are they beneficial? Does that enhance a country's online security? Or is it something that bis more like taking the bluepill by the fact that you can't access to different viewpoints, instead just seeing the same "I'M RIGHT, YOU'RE WRONG" mentality by the government?
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Piggy Watch General

Now that the whole Minneapolis saga with George Floyd has come to an end.

Piggys still out here causing problems for us proles.

So I wanna make a thread where we just post news reporting of piggys activities and stuff.
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/DPRK/ - Democratic People's Republic of Korea General

Thread for news and discussions of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, its material conditions, the status and health of its socialist tradition, disproving common myths about it, etc.

Archive of the previous DPRK thread:
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what went wrong with california exactly?
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Opinion: How U.S. Global Infrastructure Push Will Affect Belt and Road

TLDR: the BBBW is too late and not enough

>According to available information, we have the following predictions:

>First, due to the serious shortage of global infrastructure, even if the U.S.-led B3W initiative can provide $40 trillion to developing countries by 2035, it would not squeeze Belt and Road’s investment space.

>In fact, the participation of the U.S. and its allies in global infrastructure may bolster the global economy and also indirectly benefit China, the world’s largest steel producer and exporter. If B3W and BDN are carried out as planned, they may bring some positive effect on China’s economic growth.

>Second, the U.S.-led programs will surely put some pressure on Belt and Road, although they may not necessarily have a major negative impact on the program. For example, the U.S. would provide loans to countries at lower interest rates, propose higher standards of transparency in terms of capital sources and loan flows, pay more attention to environmental issues in the process of infrastructure construction, attract a larger proportion of private sector capital to global infrastructure construction, pursue a more market-oriented manner and so on.

>Third, given that BDN was jointly initiated by the U.S., Japan and Australia, it would mainly focus on Southeast Asia and the Indo-Pacific region. The ASEAN countries are key participants in China’s Belt and Road Initiative. The 10 member countries have obtained more than 60% of the investment of all Belt and Road countries. In the future, increased infrastructure investment by the U.S. and its allies in Southeast Asia is likely to put some competitive pressure on Chinese companies, but it will also improve the globalization level of China’s industrial supply chains. From this perspective, BDN will actually provide an opportunity for China to prevent and defuse “U.S.-China Decoupling,” the current biggest external risk for China. Therefore, the expansion of economic and trade exchanges and bilateral investment between China and ASEAN countries could help avoid a new Cold War between the world’s two biggest economies.

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/grek/ Greek nhma


Antiembolio/Gonimothta/Erdogan Mpes sth Kypro/Po8en Esxes edition

parakalountai oi xrhst(ri)es na milane mono greeglish - oi ellhnikoi xarakthres 8a odhgoune se ameso ban meta apo synnenohsh me tous mods

xwris plaka poios milaei kan ellhnika pleon sto internet pera apo irrelevant boomers

Proteinomena 8emata syzhthhshs:
Kanate to bolio?
Poso misw ton mitsotaki
Poso pshnete na ginei YPOXREWTIKOS emvoliasmos se OLOUS
Po8en esxes koutsoumpa
Poso agapaw ton 8anash pafilh

English posts welcome (alla eiste terma vlakes kai akoma trwte velanidia)

official links:
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Any left-wing foreign affairs sites?

I would like to ask you guys for links or names of left-wing foreign affairs sites that are not part of mainstream media or far-right alternative media. I would like to read them. I'm interested on those topics.

Why? Because I don't live in America, rather Indonesia, where there are basically NO left-wing local news sources out of fear of being punished. (Therefore, I'm not involving myself into American politics. Most sites focus on local American politics and not international affairs so far what I've seen. I want sites that are similar to mainstream media (where they report foreign affairs A LOT) but NOT part of mainstream media (CNN, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, Economist, Insider, MSN, Fox, AP, AFP, Reuters, New York Times, etc.))

P.S.: Before you call me a larper, before you call me a false flag, before you do the same errors to me like you have did in:
see the given images first.
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Why do leftists fight so much?

I don't understand all the hate between Anarchists, Maoists, Stalinists, Marxists, Left Libertarians etc. I've never seen such splintering and hostility between people who want nearly the same thing. The right wing is far more unified even if they have different beliefs and are just better at getting their message across to the masses. Meanwhile, on leftypol, stalinists are telling Trotsky supporter to go kill themselves.
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/ita/ - Spaghetti Communism

A grande richiesta e dopo un'inutile e penosa scissione, rieccoci.
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Hilo general Latinoamérica--LatAm general thread

The other thread was full.
Anything Latinoamérica related, let's unite in discussion while the CIA-funded military hasn't decide to torture us to death for the time being.
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Iranian Revolution

What is the marxist/materialist explanation for the iranian revolution? doesn't it disprove historical materialism due to being motivated by religion and not CLASS CONFLICT?
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J. Posadas

Has anyone read the works of J. Posadas?
I found that a curious amount of writings of his have been listed under Google Books, although many of the texts seem to be rare such as pic related.
It seems he has written on a number of subjects including family, sex, different countries and such. What do you all think?
Obviously there's the shit he wrote about UFOs, dolphins and nuclear war, etc. but I thought it might be interesting to discuss his other views as well, and see what he may have had to say?
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News 7/29/21

British-based Kurds demand action after attack of author on ‘Erdogan hit list’
Gokhan Yavuzel was assaulted by a mob on Tuesday, soon after his name appeared on a hit list of critics of Turkey’s ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP). He was knocked unconscious during the attack, which he said was carried out by four people swearing at him in Turkish.

Middle East wildfires: Turkey and Lebanon fight blazes as deaths reported
At least three people are known to have died in Turkey as a result of fires in the country's south, while a teenage boy has been reported killed in fires in the Qubayyat area of Lebanon's remote Akkar region.Turkey's AFAD disaster agency and agriculture minister said rescue efforts were underway after a second day of fires in the southern provinces, while more than 100 people had been evacuated, required medical treatment or suffered property damage.

Armenia asks Russia to deploy soldiers to frontier with Azerbaijan, as shootout kills three soldiers & sparks fear of new conflict
Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan has called on Moscow to deploy more peacekeepers to his country’s border with Azerbaijan, as both nations accuse each other of violating an agreed ceasefire after a day of bloody fighting.

Call for Hungarian ministers to resign in wake of Pegasus revelations
Hungary’s opposition has called for ministerial resignations from Viktor Orbán’s far-right government over allegations it selected journalists, media owners and opposition political figures as potential targets for invasive Pegasus spyware.

Russia rejects Dutch court ruling to hand $5 BILLION of taxpayers’ cash to ex-oligarchs over collapse of Yukos oil & gas empire
Earlier that day, representatives of the shareholders who lost cash when the former oil and gas conglomerate collapsed claimed victory in legal proceedings that handed them a total of $5 billion in compensation. A separate claim, for a total of $57 billion, is currently being heard by the Supreme Court of the Netherlands.

Kerala BJP, CPI(M) engage in a war of words as Covid cases continue to soar
“50% of the Covid positive cases come from Kerala, thanks to Eid relaxations. But as expected the narrative would always be built around kumbh or Kanwar yatra. Hmmm… Kerala model,” tweeted BJP spokesman Sambit Patra. …The CPI(M), however, criticised the BJP for making the issue communal, saying the virus has no religion or caste. “Kerala has lowest seroprevalence rate. People here are more vulnerable to infection."

Peru's Castillo chooses leftist party colleague as PM
Bellido, an electronic engineer, vowed he would represent the interests of all Peruvians and advance "the fight against corruption." … Like the president, Bellido has a rural, peasant background. Both wear traditional white sombreros – though Bellido's hails from his native Cusco region and that of Castillo, 51, from Cajamarca.

Bolivia confirms shipment of solidarity aid to Cuba
Bolivian President Luis Arce on Thursday confirmed the shipment of syringes, food and biosecurity supplies to Cuba in the framework of reciprocity between peoples. All our solidarity with the Caribbean nation, which not only faces the effects of the Covid-19 pandemic but also the brutal economic, commercial and financial blockade imposed by the United States, the president wrote on his Twitter account.

Former Bolivian president Morales calls for regional coca production unity against US domination
FORMER Bolivian president Evo Morales called on Wednesday for the relaunch of the Andean Council of Coca Leaf Producers and an end to US meddling in Latin America. He was speaking on a tour of Peru, where he met coca leaf producers and warned of the malign influence of Washington.

Venezuela Rejects Colombia’s ‘Cynical’ Terror Allegations
“Don’t be so cynical [Duque]. You are at the head of a narco government that exports drugs and violence. A factory of terrorists in power that has eliminated the option of internal peace and sends mercenaries to generate violence and assassinate Presidents in the region,” wrote Arreaza on Twitter.
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Evictions Crisis

Millions of evictions and foreclosures will start being processed in two days.


Landlord parasites are planning to extract every last bit they can get their hands on.


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What is the materialist view of him?

>Juhayman ibn Muhammad ibn Sayf al-Otaybi (Arabic: جهيمان بن محمد بن سيف العتيبي‎ ‎16 September 1936[1][2] – 9 January 1980) was a Saudi militant and soldier who in 1979 led the Grand Mosque seizure of the Great Mosque of Mecca, Saudi Arabia's holiest mosque, to protest against the Saudi monarchy.

>Juhayman said that his justification for the siege was that the House of Saud had lost its legitimacy through corruption and imitation of the West, an echo of his father's charge in 1921 against former Saudi king Ibn Saud. Unlike earlier anti-monarchist dissidents in the kingdom, attacked the Saudi ulama for failing to protest against policies that betrayed Islam, and accused them of accepting the rule of an infidel state and offering loyalty to corrupt rulers in "exchange for honours and riches."[3]

>On 20 November 1979, the first day of the Islamic year 1400, the Great Mosque of Mecca was seized by a well-organized group of 400 to 500 men under al-Otaybi's leadership.[4] A siege lasted more than two weeks before Saudi special forces broke into the mosque.[4] French Special Forces provided a special tear gas (CS gas) which prevents aggressiveness and slows down breathing.[4] Al-Otaybi was executed by the Saudi authorities, in public, on 9 January 1980, in Mecca.
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What is your justification for not owning a firearm or a weapon for self defence like a knife, spiked bat, molotov cocktail, sledgehammer etc?
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How do people live like this

How do so many proles in places like pic rel(read the filename) spend everyday walking down the same streets with the same sets of advertisements posted everyday with buissnesses and factories running rampant polluting the atmosphere all while consumerism and government corruption rain supreme all for the purpose of manipulating the civilians in these cities into living a life of never ending hedonistic consumption coupled with actual wage slavery. If I had to live in New York city for even a week I'd likely kill myself…
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Is libertarianism making a comeback?
I've seen a lot more pro-business worshipers who have the fag flags and shit and all the meme hubs have started to move away from trumpfaggotry back to right-libertarianism. I think it might be a psyop but I still think that the ones above can influence what is below, as I've seen that the youth have moved away from the left and more towards the bottom right square (for those of you fags who still believe in that sort of autism)
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Capitalist Atrophy of Nationalism

Just what exactly is the true relation of nationalism and capitalism? Nationalism taken to extreme is fascism, although some comrades believe that fascism is capitalism in decay. Yet capitalism tends toward transnationalism, globalism, reduced trade boundaries, so that it can optimize its logistics, evade taxes, and bypass laws for the maximization of profits.

A noticeable effect of hypercapitalism (capitalism at the globalized stage) is how it atrophies its host nations and the pillars of nationalistic authority. Consider for instance, the considerable brain drain away from high skilled educated white caller workers moving away from government roles and instead going to work for Big Tech where they can get paid for and work in a tee shirt. Granted, Big Tech has all sorts of incestuous contracts with the government to the extent that the line between them is blurring, but there is the impression that the technological level of governments hosting these companies is second rate to the private interests.

Another aspect of it is that capitalism does the absolute most it can to avoid taxes, and the international corporate law allows Google for example to avoid taxes by incorporating in Ireland using the so called double Irish loophole. Capitalism seemingly inevitably atrophies its host nations, especially by leading to overwhelming wealth concentration and the corresponding decline in the public good.

Considering America has allowed capitalism to completely parasitize it is the leading example of this phenomenon and its current trajectory backs up this analysis.

A few questions:

1. Is there a relation between fascism and capitalism? If so, how does that square with the above?
2. How does China, which tightly controls its private sector, factor into this?
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/ASG/ - Anti-Sectarianism general

There seems to have be a lot sectarianism on this board as of late. I think we should lighten things up by promoting cooperation and harmony between different leftist sects. Let's start saying good things about other sects.

(I don't belong to any specific sect by the way)
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The Left IS Western Civilization!

The Left IS Western Civilization - Or rather Platonic Civilization.

Political wings can be the entirety of civilizations:
1) Where the opposing wing (Right) is chiefly responsible for the degradation and destruction of said civilization, the opposed wing (Left), by process of elimination IS it.
2) Where theorists of the opposing (Right) political wing betray the original context of the civilization for a rootless, reactionary mysticism, the opposed (Left) political wing IS it.
3) Where the opposing wing (Right, Left-Liberal) denounce the very founders of said civilization, the opposed wing (Left) IS it.
4) Where said political wing (left) has historically demonstrated the ability to rejuvenate that civilization, that wing IS it.
5) Despite ethnic differences from the original form of that civilization, by exemplifying its theories, a political wing (Left) may seize claim to and own that civilization as its true heir and thereby BECOME it.

Particular historical facts to the above premise:
i) Historically speaking and in the present, it is the world right wing that is responsible for the destruction of Western civilization, that is, Platonic Civilization (The civilization that embodies the Form of the Good by turning Philosophers-in-Training into Philosopher-Kings, like Lenin, Stalin). Just look at the amount of destruction Operation Barbarossa inflicted:
> The combined damage consisted of complete or partial destruction of 1,710 cities and towns, 70,000 villages/hamlets, 2,508 church buildings, 31,850 industrial establishments, 64,000 kilometres (40,000 mi) of railroad, 4,100 railroad stations, 40,000 hospitals, 84,000 schools, and 43,000 public libraries; leaving 25 million homeless. Seven million horses, 17 million cattle, 20 million pigs, 27 million sheep were also slaughtered or driven off. (The New York Times, 9 February 1946, Volume 95, Number 32158)
> 40000 hospitals, 84000 schools, 43000 public libraries
- Furthermore, consider the left tendency of raising literacy considerably (Russia, China, Cuba) whenever it gets power. It goes to the core of the Transformation of Philosopher into Philosopher-King, which is the Form of the Good, the whole essence of Platonic Civilization.
- Now consider that the current climate change crisis is a capitalist crisis. Also consider the amount of destruction American intervention does (Operation Condor, book burning in Chile, Cuba etc).
ii) Evola's theory, of the Right, is literally an attempt to Indianize the world away from the Platonic Kali Yuga. Think of the Brahmins chanting above the masses, mired in faeces, shitting in the streets. Evola betrayed the Platonic project for Indic, varna-based mysticism. The swastika of the Nazis and of Hindutva is not an accident. Modern India is the "utopia" (i.e. dystopia) rightists wish to turn Platonic civilization into. (On the Dark Age, from Revolt against the Modern World). Poo poo pee pee, Delta Covid farty fart.
iii) Popper, filthy socdem, denounces Plato, the whole founder of "Western Civilization", i.e. Platonic Civilization. (Popper, K.R. The Open Society and its Enemies. p. 65). Stephane Courtois, liberal democrat, further defames Plato:
> Courtois states that "[w]e must make a distinction between the doctrine of communism and its practice. As a political philosophy, communism has existed for centuries, even millennia."[8]:2 Courtois cites Plato's Republic and Thomas More as communist examples of what he terms utopian philosophy (Courtois, Stéphane (ed.). The Black Book of Communism: Crimes, Terror, Repression. Harvard University Press. pp. 92–97, 116–121. )
iv) Look at the French Revolution and the October Revolution. Like a phoenix from the ashes, the Kingdom of France and the Russian Empire were reborn ultimately as the French republic and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Look at the Great Qing, the Republic of China and pay attention to how through all the British, French and Japanese imperialism, under left theory they rejuvenated.
v) China, despite being Han, embodies Plato's project upon this earth. Likewise, the Soviets were Slavs, Turkics, Jews etc yet nonetheless embodied it. The revolutionary French were the result of a Frankish-Germanic and Gallic-Romance admixture. None of these peoples were Hellenic nor Greek, yet they lived up to Plato's ideals.

The Left IS Western (Platonic) Civilization!
1) Rightism in Barbarossa, American imperialism indicate it is the negation of that civilization. By process of elimination, the Left IS Western (Platonic) Civilization!
2) Evolism of the Right betrayed the Platonic project of Western Civilization in favour of the Vedic one. That leaves the Left becoming it.
3) Popper and Courtois denounce Plato's project, our project of Western Civilization. Therefore, we are it.
4) Wherever the Left has worked, we have brought those civilizations back from the brink - Revolutionary France, the Soviet Union, the People's Republic of China. From the direst straits of French Revolutionary Wars, the Russian Civil War and WWI and the aftermath of the Opium Wars and the Sino-Japanese Wars, the Left alone has rejuvenated those direly crippled civilization. We ARE Western (Platonic) Civilization
5) Although the French, October and Chinese revolutions were never Hellenic, they all demonstrably lived up to Plato's ideals. We ARE Western (Platonic) Civilization. In fact, China is the true form of Western Civilization that Gandhi said would be a good idea on this planet.

<TL;DR: It's not we leftists that are destroying Western (Platonic) Civilization it's the rightists.

Additionally, look at the Spengler pic. Look at the pessimism and negativity within it. Spengler, of the right, severely threatens the Platonic project with that filthy, unthinking pessimism. Spenglerism and Hitler were inextricably linked.

The Left IS Western Civilization!
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Really makes you think

What is the materialist explanation for communist and radical revolutions almost exclusively happening in extremely conservative/reactionary societies? I mran come on 1917 Russia, the bastion of traditionalism and Christianity in Europe suddenly murders the Emperor, burns churches, legalizes abortion, abolishes torture and corporal punishment, grants women full rights and absolutely anhilliates the landowning class which was a staple of Russian society for centuries. And a majority of the population embraces it enthusiastically with very sparse and unpopular rebellions. Hell, anarchism became popular.

Then we got Spain, the home of the inquisitioin suddenly have the catholic church dismembered by angry citizens. Not to mention China, Mongolia, Cambodia and others. I know workers were suffering especially bad in these countries, but some of these people valued their traditions more than a full stomach and wouldn't the local communist leaders simply ditch the cultural part of the revolution and just embrace redistribution and collectivization under a nationalist anti imperialist banner.

Why did the countries that were seen as the most spooked so eager to embrace an ideology that promised to turn upside down everything they ever knew and create something new and radical, while the historical hotspots of enlightened intellectuals and philosophers like france,Italy and Germany never even came close to having a successful revolution and turned out to have the most disinterested and passive populace.

I just don't understand the paradox of the most radical and open minded societies (by 20th century standards) ended up being the most passive while revolution swept exclusively parts of the world that were hostile to this kind of "blasphemy".

Does living under repressive traditionalism create rebelious generations waiting for the right moment to erupt or is it more complex? I'd like to hear some opinions. Why did we have the most sucess in the most unlikely of places that even Marx wrote off as too spooked? Hell even afghanistan had a sucessful revolution and people there have a 1400s mindset.
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I have finally embraced socialism;what now?

AS A transhumanist and anti-natalist ,i have embraced the Left; my eternal Being ad possible Movarec jumping/quantum reincarnation makes it in my best interest to improve general conditions for all humans(as i might already be/will be,all or any human):I still think abortio is murder but 5 minutes of lethal pain may save 80 years of horribly mental pain and a 1/3 chance of being born several disabled.

anyways;what now?do I join an org?tweet lefitst memes? There ARE orgs and leftist parties in my countries, do i just email them and start volunteering for their activities?
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Black Hammer and Petty-Bourgeois Radicalism

Why does this sort of shit keep happening to the PSL?

First you had the Austin Red Guards, and now you have Black Hammer.

It is one thing to be a post-trotskyist movement that seems to lack organization but is still making an effort regardless and another to be unrelentingly radical to the point of suspicion. Petty bourgeois radicalism as experienced from Maoists and now Black Hammer will always provide material for right wing opportunists to portray us as petty, warmongering, and divisive.

Thoughts on this?

The video can be seen here, since the webm takes too long to upload:
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==Patriotism is praxis!==

much of this is a copy paste from the burger thread decided to have a serious thread on the concept of patriotism and socialism

Anons reactionaries don't own patriotism!
Anons patriotism is a love for the people!
Anons the "nation" is it's people and it's health is it's people's health!
Anons these reactionaries claim to love our "nation" yet hate our people the proletariat
Anons don't let reactionaries define patriotism!!!
Anons the embodiment of love for the people, which are the proletariat has been embodied by the term patriotism. (Whether you like that or not)

Juche Love's patriotism, Cuba Love's patriotism, the USSR loved patriotism! The reactionaries want to label you "anti-patriotic", this is all a attempt to separate you from the people. Which is why they love the "Left's" anti-americanism. They then use their billionaire funded platforms, to say inflammatory rhetoric that since leftist hate America; they hate YOU the American citizens. We fall into this anti-americanism to easily. We are right to criticize, most this nations history and the bourgeoisie that have enabled it. Still the people of America see a attack on it's image to be a personal attack.

Remember the nation is the people, that embody it. The term patriotism is seen this way, by Americans and the world alike. (Again whether you like that or not)
The bourgeoisie has tried to tie themselves to this patriotic image. Actively using it to brow beat the left as anti-populous through this. This doesnt negate that they the bourgeoisie are fully the usurper's, exploiters, and Leach's of the whole of the nation. when I say nation think the people every time I say nation think the people! It is time to call reactionaries what they are FRAUDS! It is time to expose them for their hatred of the people again the proles.

They see the county as a symbol when it is the whole of law and control of economics. (You know the partnership of the bourgeois state with the bourgeoisie class) Nationalism to me is different then patriotism, is it not the case that nationalism is the worship of the symbolism of the nation? They love the flag, "the process" "the holy constitution document". We must show this as fake loyalty to the people. They are only loyal to symbols and their own self interest in profit. We must humanize patriotism to make it class based!
We must make that flag be the good of our history. The history of the labor movement, women suffrage, civil rights movement. Remember anons everything redeeming about America even to Normie's stems from the left!

This is also a thread to discuss the history of patriotism in 20th century socialism. Share quote's and events on countries and leaders views back then. Also I'm looking for a quote by comrade Kim Il-sung on patriotism.(maybe you know what i mean I hope)Comrades Total! Empathy or the people and the dictatorship of the proletariat the socialist nation that encases it, is the only way forward love your fellow prole like a Christian loves god!

Anons don't fall for their tricks to separate us from the working class, we do in fact represent!!!!!!!!!
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This image told me not just so much about anarchists but socialists in general

None of these spanish socialists are prepared for long term combat
>they have no food sources
>they have no body protection like bullet proof vests or helmets
>they have no ammo supplies
>they have no medical supplies
>they have no self preservational skills or tools
>they're completely disorganized and are just letting a bunch of asshats with rifles and funny hats try starting a civil war with equipment they got from neighboring countries
These people have spent so much of their time arguing over which idea of running an economy would work without barring the inefficiencies and systems of exploitation under capitalism over actually building that socialist utopia that when they actually try to apply their ideas in historical context it completely fails not necessarily because socialism cant work(because it has or at least well enough that socialists under it lived under better conditions compared to most of the planet) but because of the people trying to achieve communism through socialism and the level of incompetence and blatant displays of irresponsibility present in leadership. Oh well
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Is luddism good?

Is being a technophobe or luddite really just a distorted form of class consciousness? Technological advances usually have their benefits accrue to capitalists first. So workers blame the machine and not the class/force behind it, because the machine is the face or presentation of the inhuman nature of capitalism itself
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Hi /leftypol/
There's been talk recently about US intelligence agencies (CIA,FBI,NSA etc) spying and conducting astroturfing operations on various websites including Twitter, 4Chan, Reddit and obviously here /leftypol/.

I would like to remind everyone that you can use tor to browse this site (and other sites) anonymously, for newcomers it's very easy to use, just download it from here (https://www.torproject.org/) install it, open it and click connect.
There are mobile apps too:

After installing it use the Onion Link for leftypol.org:

You don't even have to remember this address, you can configure tor to do the translation from regular sites (non-onion links) to onion links, so you only have to type "leftypol.org" and it will redirect you to the .onion link
>Open tor
>Hamburger Menu (Right Upper Corner)
>Privacy & Security
>Onion Services-> Always

You can use the site normally, post images and such.

Posting this here instead of /meta/ because almost no one reads /meta/, if mods want they can move the thread, but I think it should stay here at least for some hours.

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Is quantum mechanics the biggest killer of metaphysics?

I wanna see if any big brain anons can wrap their heads around why quantum mechanics killed all form of metaphysical thinking. All physical phenomena are quantum manifestation of a field with many potential energies.

Quantum mechanics essentially killed many metaphysics philosophers and now all they do is cope.
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Quite a few comments on this video claim that Cockshott is misrepresenting Hegel's work.


Is Cockshott correct, is Hegel just doing intellectual sleight of hand?

The video itself seems to be part of a series responding to comments from his blog where he seems to claim that Dialectical Materialism was invented by social democrats to corrupt Marx's work.

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Austrian school

What made the Austrian school of economics so bankrupt? Where did their critiques comes from? And even though they failed in the end, why is it that they are always brought up despite their bankruptcy?
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If the Anarcho-Communists won in Spain would this have literally any affect on history?

Considering Spain was already more or less totally irrelevant on the World stage by 1936 and considering Franco sat out WWII anyway even after Hitler was like “Hey buddy, you’re a fascist, I’m a fascist, let’s team up” could it be said that the outcome of the Spanish Civil War had no real historical significance for anyone other than the people of Spain? Like, Spain has continued to be relatively insignificant anyway, I know anarchists seethe over the war, but literally what would their victory have changed?
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Russian Thread

Please come back Rusanon Comrades! Save us from the polyp and lolbert raids.

Я вас категорически приветствую.

- A westoid who misses you.
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It seems as if Bezo's popularity is skyrocketing.

Ever since Musk and Bezos has been making news about their space program it seems as if people across the world have been revitalized in their love of billionaires. I guess all porky needed to do to kick the sails of the left is to fund space theatrics…Just look at this https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/billionaire-space-race has eradicated all class consciousness in the youth.
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Marxism and envy

How do you refute the claim made by oh-so-virtuous reactionaries that Marxism is a "philosophy of envy" in the sense that communists (or workers in general) only seek to control the means of production and seize the wealth of the rich because they are envious of the rich?

Did Marx and Engels ever express envy of the rich for having too much in their writings? And if they did, was it not just a means of mobilizing workers to revolt?

Please refute the dumb b1tch in the video for me please.
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Who gets the wall after the revolution? Seems like an important topic that crops up from time to time, might as well have a serious discussion on the matter.
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On the Japanese and their crimes

The Japanese army killed around 200,000 people in the course of 1 month during the Nanjing Massacre (this is a commonly accepted figure among historians. The massacre occured at the beginning of 1938. If they had kept this up in the territory they occupied until, let's say, 1944, then they would have killed around 12 million people disregarding deaths of combatants. The nature of the crimes committed during the Rape of Nanjing were also much more severe than any of the other war crimes and atrocities committed during WWII (yes, even the holocaust). So why were the nips never held accountable for their war crimes? Was it solely because the US needed a bulwark against Communism in East Asia? Part of me feels sympathy for and indigence over those killed during the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but another part of me thinks that the US and the USSR should have reduced the islands of Japan to nuclear craters, or at least every single Japanese soldier should have been killed.So why were the nips never held accountable for their war crimes?
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Will this be in our history books?
Did this even mean anything or was it just a funny little thing that happened after a tweet one morning?

Personally I stayed awake to the early hours of the morning to watch it happen live and thought it was so cool seeing the first American president step foot into north Korea by himself and north Korean president meet him in a sign of rare diplomacy that just looked pure away from political bullshit
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The left, from left-liberals and social demcrats to the hard left (Marxists, Anarchists) have a pretty similar conception of "the elites" as the bourgeoisie, a marxist or at least vulgar-marxist definition: wealthy people and corporations that have disproportionate power over society.

What does the right mean by elites? It's actually difficult to pin down. The meaning is protean and the two groups actually don't agree on who the "elites" actually are.

Can anyone tell me what rightoids actually mean when they say the "elite"? because they don't seem to have it mean the same thing as the left
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On Coexistance and Soviet Policy in the time of the Second Inter-Imperialist war

The defeat of the Soviet's at the end of the Cold war requires we communists to analyze and deduce what alternative actions may have been taken to achieve a better course of history, one where there was no collapse of the socialist camp, and instead a complete victory over the capitalists. I want to focus this thread specifically on the Course of events of the Second world war, and the geopolitical and strategic decisions made by the USSR. Bonus points for avoiding muh great man theory.

I will start: I am convinced that a faction of the Soviet high command that was aware of the events at Tehran should have secretly tipped off the Germans about the DDay landings. They could frame nazi collaborators int the western militaries and send secret diplomatic cables to the Germans convincing them that the leak was from sympathisers in the Soviet military that wanted a Soviet exit from the war and non aggression pact to contain the west. The latter would likely be uncovered at the latest by the end of the war so they would have to frame the West for this as well.

Why do this all? The Soviets had largely defeated the nazi menace on their own in the East and the western front was an attempt by the "allies" to swoop in like a gizzard and eat as much of the collapsing German empire as possible in order to deny it to Germany. Instead Germany would move divisions west fortify the defenses, they are prepared. The allied forces land and are massacred. Almost instantly over a hundred thousand of soldiers lay dead on the beaches, and in shallow waterborne graves, none had managed to make it far past the waterline. The west is shocked, the Army and the civilians are flooded with images of dead troops and the complete defeat of the western advance that had been planned for years. This plan the fools of the west made behind their nations back has sent their young men to the butchers. The west is made to learn the true cost of war. The people are thrown into a rage and the western imperialists geopolitical and strategic power is crippled. The Germans celebrate this small victory and try and gain some concessions from Moscow, however seeing as they are now truly fighting alone, and yet rapidly pouring into the German interior, they will not accept anything other than total and complete victory. They reach Berlin and the German army falls into complete chaos. Much of the Nazi and puppet administration has abandoned their posts and only the most fanatical or desperate of Nazi belligerents fight on in isolated pockets, The Soviets are left to mop up and denazify the rest of occupied Europe and the Red Star hangs high as the masses world over look towards the new world order and the saviours of the human race
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Nestor Makhno died on this day (July 25th) 87 years ago. Say something nice about him.
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My disliking for china isnt fueled by my disliking for socialism

The birth of liberal capitalism was driven out of a need to separate away from feudalistic society where empires were in perpetual war with each other and society was split between the masses that were exploited to create material wealth to fund elites and foreign wars, people saw what kind of a world that was and wanted out of it, a world where they could live their lives the way they wanted to and build whatever they desired and hence capitalism and libertarian ethics would be a ground base for the united states, it wasnt perfect but the country became more and more progressive and more and more liberal as time passed compared to the rest of the planet and likewise that progressiveness eventually spread to the rest of earth. What china is doing today is repeating the same mistakes of the USSR, empire building. Peoples rights are getting trampled on, most chinese citizens live on 10-15 dollars a DAY that's less than several african countries and china has made repeated offenses that have been disastrous worldwide including their worst offence of manufacturing a covid virus that would go on to lead to millions of deaths worldwide, trillions of damage to financial and material assets, billions of lives ruined driven by unemployment and the mass closure of large and small buissnesses, I wish it was the only offence but when they invaded vietnam, threatened to nuke china and then went on to commit Tiananmen square an event that only the most brainwashed pro china shills can honestly defend it's hard to state that they're better than their western counterparts. China currently is expanding its nuclear base due to security problems it faced after mass lockdowns leading to an immediate shitstorm of hate directed at it and the CCP would go on to use nationalism and defence spending as a way to counter that criticism, likewise this increasing arms race is pushing the planet closer and closer to another cold war where socialist expansion in the form of propaganda and direct invasion is resurging again, we only barely escaped nuclear fallout due to repeated luck on both sides to prevent nukes from being launched from false alarms. I DONT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT WHOSE IN THE RIGHT OR IF SOCIALISM OR CAPITALISM ARE BEGGER, IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS, NO ONE and I repeat NO ONE should have to live in a situation like this and the blatant displays of fanaticism towards pushing socialism and pro chinese expansionism is so strong and invasive that it's becoming a global security threat once again. China needs to seriously check how its perceived and should vow to improve because if it keeps going the way it's going the planet may either legitimately end or get severely damaged
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South Asia and Desi General

A general thread for all South Asian related discussion.
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Steinbeck: Based or cringe?

>During his writing career, he authored 33 books, with one book coauthored alongside Edward Ricketts, including 16 novels, six non-fiction books, and two collections of short stories. He is widely known for the comic novels Tortilla Flat (1935) and Cannery Row (1945), the multi-generation epic East of Eden (1952), and the novellas The Red Pony (1933) and Of Mice and Men (1937). The Pulitzer Prize-winning The Grapes of Wrath (1939) is considered Steinbeck's masterpiece and part of the American literary canon. In the first 75 years after it was published, it sold 14 million copies.

Is he based or cringe? 'The Grapes of Wrath' is a powerful working class novel that was hugely influencial but towards the end of his life he ended up supporting the vietnam war for some reason.
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Do bourgeois revolutions actually exist? What is their function?
If they're driven by the bourgeoisie, they're redundant. The bourgeoisie had been growing on their own terms, self-reproducing, without any revolution required. The revolution wouldn't free anything but would be an expression of an already completed change.
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Leftist Tea-Party

So anons I was thinkin that what the left needs is a movement similar to the right's tea party movement.

The tea party was the predecessor to Trump's platform, where libertarians and progressive republicans were all funneled into fascism. It was the perfect republican revivalism that created the conditions for Donald Trump to win. So if we want our own Donald Trump to win, say Bernie Sanders or someone else, we can't simply expect to win. We HAVE to create a platform to facilitate it.

A lot of you may say that the DSA is the fringe tea party of the left and the left has already seen a fringe change.
If that's true, I think we need another one. Something that can funnel liberals and socialists into a new ideological platform. What could that be?

Anons post your thoughts
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Is Wikipedia a good resource for leftist theories?

I'm a newcomer when it comes to leftism, and I love Wikipedia at the same time. I can't bear reading articles on Marx like those on Marxists.org, nor books on Marxism. What I liked are news articles and Wikipedia, a remnant of the now-defunct independent self.

My question to you guys is, is Wikipedia a good source for leftism-related topics?

Opinions, discussions, resources, recommendations welcome.
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News 7/28/21

Mexico president: Sending fuel cargo for Cuba is their sovereign decision
Mexico’s president asserted his country’s right to send fuel to Cuba and said on Tuesday that U.S. sanctions on the island were “inhumane,” after a diesel cargo shipped by Mexico’s state-run oil company Petroleos Mexicanos arrived in Cuba’s Havana port.

Julian Assange stripped of citizenship by Ecuador
Ecuador has revoked the citizenship of Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks who is currently in a British prison. Ecuador’s justice system formally notified the Australian of the nullity of his naturalisation in a letter that came in response to a claim filed by the South American country’s foreign ministry.

Chile seeks to establish access to water as a right
The proposal seeks to establish the essential right to water, give legal security to the exercise of the human right of access to drinking water and sanitation, and reaffirm the nature of public use of water. Likewise, one of its goals is to establish new regulations for the concession, use and suspension of water use rights and to provide protection for its preservation in land ecosystems.

Kurds protest in front of US consulate in Berlin against Turkish invasion
The activists who protested the invasion attacks of the Turkish state against Zap, Avaşin and Metina regions carried banners that read “America, do not be a part of the occupation”, “No pasaran for Dictator Erdogan, time has come for Öcalan’s Freedom!” and “Stand up together against fascism and occupation, defend Kurdistan together”.

Israel reportedly develops new ‘Ghost’ unit for war on Hezbollah
According to a report on the Walla news site, the new unit — codenamed “Ghosts” — is made up of soldiers recruited from other elite units in the armed forces. It was originally established in 2019 and was developed for “secret capabilities,” the report said.

Israel launches maximum pressure campaign against Ben & Jerry's
The Israeli government has formed a special task force to pressure Ben & Jerry's ice cream and its parent company Unilever to reverse their decision to boycott Israeli settlements in the West Bank, Israeli officials tell me. The Israeli government is concerned the move by Ben & Jerry's will encourage other international companies to take similar steps to differentiate between Israel and the West Bank settlements.

Steel unions celebrate nationalisation of Sheffield Forgemasters
STEEL unions are celebrating after the government stepped in today to nationalise key manufacturer Sheffield Forgemasters. The firm will be bought by the Ministry of Defence in a peppercorn deal worth £2.56 million. Taxpayers will also take responsibility for any debts and invest £400m in the company’s future.

French data regulator hits Monsanto with $472,000 fine for illegally compiling watch list to secure support during weed killer row
The French list of more than 200 people gave each individual a rating of one to five, marking influence, credibility and their level of support for the agricultural firm, specifically its pesticide and crop modification practices. Siding with the plaintiffs, the CNIL fined Monsanto €400,000 over its data collection system and failure to provide individuals with the right to request their data be removed or not collected.

Mozambique: fears of escalating conflict as foreign troops clash with Islamists
The Rwandan troops are the first significant foreign deployment in a direct combat role in the conflict. Russian and South African military contractors have previously fought insurgents alongside local security forces, and there have been unconfirmed reports of one possible clash involving western special forces earlier this year.

Kim Jong-un says Covid-19 situation in North Korea ‘no less challenging’ than Korean War
“We are faced with difficulties and hardship caused by the unprecedented global health crisis and prolonged lockdown no less challenging than how it was during the war,” Kim told thousands of veterans and guests from a tribune erected at the foot of the Monument to the Victorious Fatherland Liberation War in the capital Pyongyang on Tuesday.
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What is the theoretical basis for hating fascism more than liberal capitalism? I mean all the really matters is the material conditions not the bullshit in peoples heads so why are we so concerned with whether fascism or liberalism is in power.

To be clear I'm not a fascist but I'm just confused with why tf almost all socialist agitation and talk seems to be about beating a dead ideology? Are we just scrapping it out for second place?
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Uhhhhh guys help me theres a radlib on my bus
He/she/xer just sat down on the seat right next to me what do I do??????? Should I start debating him/her/xer about the glorious achievements of communism?
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Why is prison labor okay under communism but not under capitalism?

I often see communists decry prison labor in capitalist countries, particularly in the United States, describing it as a form of modern slavery. However, I often see these same communists turn around and praise prison labor in communist countries, most notably the Soviet Union. Why is this case? Why can't I oppose prison labor under all economic systems?
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Financial end goals

What are /leftypol/'s financial end goals? You can't stay working class forever, eventually you will not be able to work anymore and then what will you do? You need passive income, and the only way to achieve that is by being a poor lumpen or a big business owner.
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Zionism and wars

Keep hearing about how Zionism is the cause of the war in syria and how Iran, Syria and other anti imperialist struggles around the arab world are actually struggles against Zionism. Why? What's Israel got to do with those? What's their interest in the arab world and middle east except Palestine?
What's the end game of Zionism? What's their objective?
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Cities are disgusting and smell bad

I dont know why I had to learn this after so many years of my life but literally all cities smell like rancid dog shit that had vomit poured onto it and then got fed to a dog that shat out that shit. The smell of 100s of thousands to millions of urbanites that are all cooming,shitting(and sometimes in public), pissing,fucking each other, murdering each other and doing drugs all adds up to an aroma one could not possibly fathom the fumes of without having to the inhale the borderline mustard gas like substance that's found in the air supply of most cities, that doesnt even get in to the rampant STDs contracted in them that's caused by the amount of industrial pollution coupled with the rampant prostitution and public forms of sex like night clubs meaning if you decide to spend your time contracting herpes while spending your time in the abhorrent mistakes that was industrial cities and dont come out smelling like you got vomited on by school kids your fucking lucky. Now I wish it ended at just awful smells and STDs but then theres pollution, SO MUCH TRASH AND POLLUTION it's so bad that rivers and lakes within china and india have algae growing in them and dead bodies being found floating on those once clean sectors of mother earth, theres so much pollution and waste found in most cities to the point where there are reports of the bubonic plague being spread in cities like chicago and california, tuberculosis in fucking paris, malaria in sao paulo and more in supposedly developed sectors of earth, cities are so FUCKING disgusting and desperately need to be purged and reformed into something that doesnt resemble a jungle filled with animals competing over who can destroy the environment the fastest holy fuck, if you move into a city please wear a mask or get a towel and wrap it around your mouth and nose
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I dont know why i had to see this today to realize this but europe is actually quite pathetic

Turks have taken in millions of syrian and afghan refugees while Kenya has also taken in millions of somali and afghan refugees, both countries are deploying troops in ongoing warfare and helping build safer communities while simultaneously being underdeveloped countries, europe is a continent with access to some of the best living standards and technology on the planet yet not only do they get easily taken over by even letting a few migrants in but also need to spend millions on border security, Europe's economy is primarily built off the exploitation of others predominantly of the 3rd world through outsourcing, destabilization of developing independent economies like libya, and having poorly paid migrants perform most of the major and minor tasks in mainland europe. If they get taken over by russia china or africa all I can say is holy fuck they deserve it
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Revisionism is BASED as fuck

Can somebody explain me what the problem is with "revisionism"?
Marx couldn't figure out everything, we have to innovate Marxism, introduce new ideas and concepts from lived experiences, we can't follow dogmatic principles that restrain our range of action and then be surprised when innovative Marxist countries perform way better than the rest of the world, including us.
China is becoming richer and richer while still following core Marxist principles, the height of the economy is controlled by the State in strategic areas, and the private sector is going to become more and more integrated into the state sector, the difference between the two are blurring.

The Leftists screeching about "revisionism" are impotent, weak and pathetic. They will never build something as beautiful as modern China, they will always be focused on petty issues like the "revisionists inside the other party" or the cultural issue of the day.
There is no hope for Marxism-Leninism in the West unless we openly adopt Chinese-style revisionism and actually start to advocate for real material change. Being a Communist is about building the productive forces toward Socialism and Communism, the material relations of productions will automatically follow our level of development, which is why the CPC is advocating for Marxism more than ever, because they are close to building actual Socialism in China.

We should stop associating with anarchists and the other dregs of society, we need innovators, entrepreneurs, engineers and of course workers (but a big part of them - 60% in my home country for instance - have fallen for right-wing populism so most "leftists" hate them). For Leftism to rise again it must take on a new class character, we must embrace the fact that the middle-class is also the working class now and we must fight for their interest. This mean we need to take inspiration from the Three Represents of Jiang Zemin but of course this will trigger the "anti-revisionists" lefties despite them agreeing implicitly with the concept.

Leftism isn't idealism, we won't convert the working class back to Communism using old-school rhetoric, advocating for LGBTQ rights won't help us too since not only 60% of the working class is opposed to it, neoliberals and socdems parties have already appropriated this issue for themselves. We need a new platform, focused on building the productive forces and making everyone richer, strengthen the nation and promote the people's self-determination, socialize the strategic sectors of our economy while letting the entrepreneurs innovate in small-scale privates markets, encourage the rights of workers and protect their living standards against the irrationality of the market. Despite being common sense, these positions will bring the wrath of the dogmatic leftists on me.
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Statism and Marx

Is Marx a statist? I watched this video earlier that said he wasn't. He said that since the Soviet Union didn't abolish wage labor. It was merely social democracy and not real communism/socialism. The Soviet Union turned bad with Stalin and deviated from Marx's true vision of a society with no government. Is this view actually correct?
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Was he intelligent all along? Did he play democrats and his followers like a fiddle? I can't put my finger on it, but his actions and words weren't just retardation, but deliberate, no? Some real narcissism mixed in it seems like an act to me in retrospect.
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What do you guys think about kpop?

Opinions and discussions welcome!

What do you guys think about K-Pop and its artists? It has become so hot lately. Just look at BTS and other K-pop groups like Stray Kids. As an ex-fan I honestly think their songs are great. Where do you guys position yourselves in? Do you think that their music is great? Do you think that communist music are far much better than these genres?
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Elon Musk must die

Seriously. Why the fuck is no one talking about this fucking retard and his fucking dumb ass plan to launch 40,000 satellites into low earth orbit? This is not only problematic, but, it is fucking LUNACY.

First of all 90% of the modern internet functions over literal LAND LINES even the connection between bongs and burgers happens over a giant LAN cable that literally crossing the Atlantic ocean. It makes no sense.

But wait, it gets even worse: So the down side of launching 42,000 satellites into space is that if one piece of debris hits one of these satellites and breaks it into a ton of smaller piece which then hit other satellites….and breaks them into smaller pieces….etc etc we find ourselves in a pattern of exponential growth where we end up locking ourselves the fuck into a PRISON on earth with no escape because we end of with trillions of pieces of debris flying around at light speed making any missions to space, satellites being launched to space, or anything involving space impossible.

Not only that but they are starting to interfere with cosmology because when you have thousands of satellites flying around low earth orbit they get in the way of imaging in space.

Essentially the combination of these two things is going to kill cosmology and make understanding the universe and our place in it IMPOSSIBLE because we will be unable to launch any satellites into space and imaging will become impossible from earth. Thanks to the kessler function (the exponential growth of space debris.) Only knowing the universe from imagery gathered from pre kessler periods.

The only reason the retard is launching these gay satalies in the first place is to appeal to gamers too as latency only matters to gamers (his target audience) but it doesn't even matter cause REAL gamers will just use fucking a fucking lan cable in the first place.

Seriously, What can we do to stop this man? This precedes socialism. This is a problem that is unfolding before our very eyes right now. Something must be done to stop these retarded billionaire faggots. REEEEEE WHAT THE FUCK /LEFTYPOL/?
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applied socialist planning

Is there any literature on applying principles from mathematical optimization and operations research to the socialist planning? These are highly developed fields that are extensively used in very similar problems.
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Pseudo-parties — An electoral strategy for American socialists

(TL;DR at bottom of post)


A long-running debate among American socialists is whether or not they should run for public office as Democrats or as third parties. The main argument from those who advocate for running as Democrats is that is nearly impossible to win elections on a third party ballot, while the main argument from those who advocate running as third parties is that running as Democrats will inevitably dilute a given candidate's radicalism and cause them to sell out to the political establishment. While there is merit to both arguments, the fact of the matter is that neither strategy has yielded much success. The United States is still locked in a two-party system, with neither of those parties representing the working class.

I know of at least one proposal that has been made to reconcile these two approaches, that being the dirty break strategy. The dirty break strategy proposes that socialists run as Democrats until they are strong enough to be able to win elections on third party tickets, at which point they would switch to a third party. However, I have so far seen neither any serious effort to carry out this strategy nor any specific criteria for when the "dirty break" should be made.

With these issues in mind, I would like to propose a new (or at least new to me) strategy: pseudo-parties. How does a pseudo-party operate? Two main parts: running on a Democratic Party ticket (at least most of the time) and strict control of elected pseudo-party members by the pseudo-party.

Strict control of elected officials

One issue that seems to exist with most or all elected progressive Democrats right now is that they generally seem to be reluctant to play hardball with the Democratic Party establishment. While right-wing Democrats, like Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema, are willing to torpedo bills backed by the Democratic Party and force concessions, progressive Democrats, like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Bernie Sanders, seem more reluctant to do so. The Force-the-Vote drama from a few months back is one example of this. My suspicion here is that they have little incentive to play hardball — the political cost (estrangement from the Democratic Party establishment) is too high and the political gain too low (likely to be re-elected whether they play hardball or not).

My pseudo-party proposal aims to increase the incentive for progressive politicians to play hardball. Here's the basic process. First, pseudo-party members who are eligible to vote for a particular office draft and approve a platform for that office. Next, the pseudo-party members hold a sort of "pre-primary" and endorse a candidate for the office in question. That candidate (usually) then goes on to the Democratic primaries, with their campaigns being managed and largely funded by the pseudo-party. If they manage to win both the primaries and the general election, they then get serve in that office. However, the process does not stop here. Once elected, the pseudo-party will expect them to carry out their platform (which may be revised periodically by the pseudo-party as it sees fit). If they violate their platform too many times, the pseudo-party can withdraw their endorsement and give it to someone else. This way, socialist/progressive politicians will always have a great deal of pressure on them to pursue a radical agenda, at least if the pseudo-party wants them to. The goal would be for the influence of the pseudo-party to outweigh the influence of the Democratic Party.

In order to minimize the influence of elected politicians in the pseudo-party, anyone holding public office will be forbidden from holding leadership positions within the pseudo-party, and anyone holding leadership positions within the pseudo-party will be forbidden from holding public office.

Another thing to note is that, while pseudo-party candidates will usually run as Democrats (at least at first), they may also run as third parties should it be reasonably possible to do so and win. The pseudo-party may even seek to make a complete break with the Democratic Party at some point, and thus incorporate the dirty break strategy outlined above. In general, the idea is to run as whatever party is most practical to run as at a given time.

Possible pitfalls of this strategy

One possible issue with this strategy is that it may be difficult for the pseudo-party to effectively control their politicians. If the influence of the pseudo-party is fairly weak, a politician may be able to lose its endorsement and still get reelected. The pseudo-party has to be able to make or break a politician's reelection bid, which could be especially difficult with high-profile politicians like AOC and Bernie Sanders.

Another possible issue is figuring out how to create this pseudo-party in this first place. It has to have a lot of clout in order for it to work, so it may not be a good idea to create one from scratch. It would probably have to be created from pre-existing progressive/socialist organizations, like DSA, the Green Party, labor unions, the Sunrise movement, Black Lives Matter, and others. Ideally a wide range of notable left-wing organizations would support this pseudo-party effort and agree to give and retract endorsements for candidates when the pseudo-party does so. Building this level of cooperation could prove quite challenging.

I have proposed the pseudo-party strategy to be tried where entryism and third parties have failed. While pseudo-party candidates may often run as Democrats, they will be strictly controlled by the pseudo-party and risk losing its endorsement if they do not follow its platform and, in turn, risk losing re-election. Actually implementing this strategy could prove rather difficult though.

What are your thoughts?
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Half of this board is an Stalin acolyte but no one follows his actual views. He is without a doubt a traditionalist/conservative. He recriminalized homosexuality, recriminalized abortion, reversed all the women's rights laws put in by previous government, put restrictions on divorce. He hated the avant garde of the Soviet Union and built traditional buildings and had a generally traditional view of art. He would have sent postmodernists to the gulag.
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What's the deal with this guy? After reading a bit it seems to me that he was an authoritarian cambodian nationalist (even using Nazi shit like superior cambodian race and genetics propaganda) LARP'ing as a communist for a while until the real communists (the vietnamese) invaded Cambodia and destroyed his government, after that he dropped the pretense of communism (Even receiving help from the CIA) and just started fighting the vietnamese without a clear ideology until he died in prison.

Is this accurate? What's the consensus about him?
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"Leftism" is outdated

Yeah, the title is an attention bait, but try to say where I'm wrong

While majority of people here are anti capitalist, there barely is any capitalism left in the actual world,

Capitalism can be thought of as a market society, where everything gets turned into commodity including people for profit, but markets barely exist anymore. Everything nowadays is done by computers and owned by like 4-15 people. There's no competition or markets to speak of in such cases. Google has a monopoly on it's app store, which is easily where 80% of online purchases are made and they can easily kick every competitor they want with a click of a button. Amazon too has a monopoly on physical goods and all of the purchases run on a computer without seeing any sort of market.

Furthermore, profit isn't a central part of the economy anymore. Nearly all of these mega corps run on loss. They just have banks and venture capitalist throw money in them, which funny enough actually works. Both the venture capitalist and the companies get larger and control even more with that.

There's still a labor market, but for how long that will too exist? I can't imagine it existing 3 decades from now, assuming things stay the way they are.

So isn't being traditionally left wing today being like being anti feudal just before industrial revolution? Because people here talk as if we lived in 1950s or so, maybe even earlier.
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Iranian Revolution

Red pill me on the iranian revolution.
How this was any different from other anti communist revolutions around the arab world? It btfo Puppets but at the same time it was radically anticomunist in nature, not any different from Baath shit.
why is it something to support?
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Political Bingo Quiz

Found this political bingo quiz on reddit and was wondering what leftypol would put on it. I took it and most of my answers aligned with the bottom left of the bingo - as i expected.

Here is the empty template for the polbingo.
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American Health Care

You guys love socialism and wealth redistribution.

I'm an American and I have poor dental health. I need at least 2 root canals and several fillings. My teeth used to be in great shape, but I've neglected my dental care for over a decade due to the costs and I'm gonna look like a meth addict in a few years if I don't take care of it. How can I fix my teeth?
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Let's have an actual, legitimate thread for once about problems with radlib and race reductionist ideology, and idpol. One where we actually talk about theory, and the relationship between these ideas and their history to the working class movement. This is not a thread to argue about whatever culture war issue is on your mind at the moment.

I found this post very alarming, for how clearly it stated a primary, usually unstated, tenet of identity politics:
"you're white before you're anything else"
In this analysis, race is the literal focal point of an intelligent being's existence. It's very interaction with the world, it's very perception of the things around it, is decided, first and foremost, through race. Identity is a first principle. Epistemology is grounded in it (i.e. you have to a certain identity to have an opinion about something, only people of a certain identity should have positions of leadership in a revolutionary movement, etc.).

This primacy of identity is the very essence of what identity politics actually means. It's an extremely useful tool to divide people apart. People cannot ever be in solidarity with each other, working together for the same ends, if they are, by immutable nature, natural enemies who are physically, biologically, and philosophically incapable of understanding the other's feelings.

All identity politics furthers this "othering", in ways that can be very different, and have very different consequences. In right wing propaganda, you'll typically see this othering applied in a sadistic direction. Remember the old "humans vs orcs" post? The idea was to paint people of the audience's identity as real people, and all outside of the in-group as non-human others. In picrel, the same effect is used in a different way. It's used in a masochistic direction. The audience is supposed to feel bad about themselves, as beings of moral agency. People of color aren't discussed as people per se, but rather distant arbiters of judgement. They are quietly othered. They are objects put on the outside, judging the audience. They know all, and they know all your sins. They were put here to destroy you and your happiness, and that's a good thing.

The absolute worst nightmare of an identity politician is that people of different backgrounds, cultures, etc. will actually talk to each other like human beings, rather than see each other as malevolent forces of nature, which impose moral responsibilities for either destruction or self-destruction.

I should be more specific, and say here that in the context of american race relations, the longstanding great lie of identity politics is that white workers only have something to lose from working with workers of color. But in reality the opposite is true. The workers of the world have everything to gain by shaking hands, blowing off the propaganda, looking each other in the eye, and working together. Working class people of all races, genders, nations, cultures, and what have you have far more in common with each other than some twisted pedophilic senator financed by the Koch brothers, no matter what their twitter profile looks like.

What can we, as leftists, do to spread positive pro-solidarity messages? It's not enough to just dismiss the idpol bullshit, a firm position, consistent and widely supported, is needed to create a positive force for unity within the working class. Post your thoughts.
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I've never read any philosophy, and don't believe in Astrology, but I find the concept of Archetypes fascinating. Sometimes I look at someone and see pieces of a whole in them, I don't exactly know what to call it, qualities maybe?

Most of the time they're never fully present, and when they are it's normally a very bad thing (they are insane)
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What happened to Danov?

I've been wondering what happened to Danov, I found someone with the same vulgarity on slavic twitter called danov, doubt it's him.
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We live in an era where Canada is somehow warmer than an african country. How did we even get here? Why is the earth's climate evolved to such a point where kenya becomes colder than a country that contains mt everest
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The earth should have at least 100 billion people on it

Not only is there enough land and resources available but the type of civilization that could be achieved if this were accomplished would be tremendously beneficial to humanity as when population sizes go up so does the working population which breeds the potential for inventors being born and hence rapid technological and societal growth is achieved, humanity is better off with more of itself and it should desire to conquer the planet and all things on it and should desire to expand into space to ensure the human species may survive for the long haul
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IDPOL: A Meta Discussion

aka /leftypol/: An Exploration into the Causes and Effects of Identity Politics.
Let's get to the bottom of identity politics, bane of the radical left and blockade to normie socialism.

ITT post about idpol and anti-idpol.
Post literature, effortposts, infographics, etc.
Post about what idpol is, the history of idpol, idpol today, the problems with it, and how to deal with it.

The point of this thread is to develop our discourse on the topic. Currently the meaning of idpol and many people's understanding of it is extremely nebulous. This is a problem for us in addressing it in general. It is a problem for the mods appropriately moderating it. It's a problem for users knowing what posts are good. Most importantly it's an obstacle to people knowing what kind of theory is sensible and based versus what is idpozzed and cringe. Most of us will agree that idpol is a problem the left deals with to some degree more or less online or in real life. It is both an inferior understanding of politics and a way of baiting people. What we sometimes don't agree on is what idpol is and how it works. That's what this thread is for: fleshing out our discourse so that we can better combat liberalism (and other right wing politics) and promote communism.
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Misogynist terrorism -- the data

Had some free time so I collected all the information about past anti-women terrorists based on the list here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogynist_terrorism#List_of_incidents and compiled the data.

Pics should be self-explanatory. Mysoginist terrorism is getting more frequent, almost exclusively in the USA and Canada.

Some interesting things I noticed. Not a single perpetrator was in his 30's. It seems to me that when these people get to that age they have jobs, a home, and a (relatively) stable income, thus only in their 40s may their hatred of women resurface, maybe as a complication of midlife crisis. The 17-28 years old range usually have this "last straw" moment (getting kicked out of their parents' home, failing school, etc.) while those in their forties tend to plan more thoroughly, and unload the bullets with their long accumulated desperation.

Not a single perpetrator under 21 was racist while everyone in their 40's was. It's either due to the fact that non-boomers are actually less racist in general, or that racism just tends to accumulate as a general hatred of everything as they get older and more miserable.

Obsessive gaming and 4chan use correlate with – you guessed it – the 'tism. All except one with military affiliations had a kill&injury count above average. All of these people suicided on the scene or attempted suicide by cop but failed. Facial disfigurement seems to have no correlation with the kill&injury count. The two 4chan users are above average in the kill count.

Whether the perpetrator is racist or not seems to correlate with how many people he kills. All but one racist are above the average killed&injured count. All but one non-racist are under the average killed&injured count. Top three killers were of mixed descent (e.g. Chinese mom, English dad) and two of them were racists. (Oh yeah, I categorized ppl "racist" if there were past videos, posts, etc. linked to them where they went on rants against "Nigs" or they had an obsession over Hitler, etc.)

I'm convinced that some of these cases could have been prevented. The two most obvious cases are the German dude (paranoid schizophrenic) and the case of the latest burger killer ("sex addict"). In the former case the German dude contacted the police several times, wishing to talk to them, because he believed he gained insight about a global spy network. If the police actually showed up, and someone could see that he was clearly a schizo, maybe they could have involved some other form of help (social worker, psychologist, etc.)… In the latter case the dude was tormented by his idiotic Southern Baptist church sending him to Christ healing facilities to treat his "unhealthy" sexual desires, further pushing him down into guilt, which later led to his crime. If he was given actual psychological help instead this guilt trip shit his entire life, I'm sure it could have been evaded. Several of these criminals were bullied in school their entire lives. Naturally a better school system could lessen the frequency of such events happening.

I hope some of you find this interesting.
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The post dirt bag left

I just found this article. Let's discuss it


>For years, “Chapo Trap House” and other podcasts have paired anti-capitalist ideas with the rhetorical style of social media. Is a new form emerging?
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News 7/27/21

North and South Korea agree to restore communication channels, improve ties
The two leaders agreed to “restore mutual confidence and develop their relationships again as soon as possible,” Blue House spokesman Park Soo Hyun said in a televised briefing. Park said the two Koreas subsequently reopened communication channels on Tuesday morning.

Biden, Kadhimi seal agreement to end U.S. combat mission in Iraq
U.S. President Joe Biden and Iraqi Prime Minister Mustafa al-Kadhimi sealed an agreement on Monday formally ending the U.S. combat mission in Iraq by the end of 2021, but U.S. forces will still operate there in an advisory role.

Communist Party plans pickets across Russia after election officials reject Pavel Grudinin’s State Duma candidacy
The deputy chairman of the party’s Central Committee, Vladimir Kashin, told Open Media that pickets are planned for July 30 and 31, as well as August 1. The KPRF also plans to seek permission to hold rallies on August 14 and 19, and on September 1. “If the rallies are not authorized, then we have working mechanisms to get around these bans. There will be Reds in the cities,” Kashin said.

Banning Navalny’s website is ‘unacceptable’ & officials are abusing power against opposition figures – Senior Russian Communist
With a parliamentary vote just around the corner, the authorities are abusing their power and using it to “prevent [opposition] candidates” from running against the ruling party, United Russia, he added. “I don’t read Navalny’s website and haven’t seen what it says. But if there are no calls for extremist activity there, it is an unnecessary measure. My personal opinion: there was no need to block it if there were no violations,” he continued.

Housing campaigners hail Oxford City Council for passing anti-DSS discrimination motion
HOUSING campaigners have hailed Oxford City Council agreeing to stamp out “DSS discrimination” against tenants in receipt of housing benefit and universal credit — and called on town halls across the country to do the same.

UK MPs warn of collapse of country’s ‘hollowed out’ justice system due to stagnant pay & years of government cuts in legal aid
In a new report, the House of Commons Justice Committee has urged the government to consider implementing major reforms and conduct a review on how it funds legal aid. In this system, the state pays defence counsel fees for defendants who cannot afford to hire their own lawyer.

AMLO Proposes Replacing OAS With Truly Autonomous Organization
AMLO proposes regional integration similar to the European Union to CELAC as the cooperation and consolidation processes in Latin America and the Caribbean are moving forward with CELAC's leadership. The President of Mexico expressed that in this process, the substitution of the OAS for a truly autonomous organization, not a lackey of anyone, should not be ruled out.

Cuba Blames The U.S. For A Molotov Cocktail Attack At Its Paris Embassy
The Cuban Foreign Ministry's International Press Center said three Molotov cocktails were thrown, with two hitting the embassy and setting a fire. Cuban diplomats extinguished the blaze as French firefighters and police arrived at the scene, it said.

Emmanuel Macron ‘pushes for Israeli inquiry’ into NSO spyware concerns
In a phone call, Macron expressed concern that his phone and those of most of his cabinet could have been infected with Pegasus, hacking software developed by the Israeli surveillance firm NSO Group, which enables operators of the tool to extract messages, photos and emails, record calls and secretly activate microphones from infected devices.

Fears of Toxic Smoke After an Industrial Explosion in Germany
Federal authorities had quickly declared the situation an “extreme threat” and warned local residents to avoid the area, stay indoors, shut their windows and doors, and switch off home air conditioning units fed by outside air, as they assessed the toxicity of the smoke that billowed out from the site.
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Hungarian Thread for /voros/ refugees

Második felvonás!
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How to dubunk the myth of deserved wealth?

I think that one of the most important components of the capitalist propaganda machine is something that I call "deserved wealth" (there's probably a marxist term that is more accurate but I'm not aware of it). Basically the fact that most people think that guys like Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates fully deserve the incommensurable wealth they have, because they worked harder, because they're intelligent, because they did "x" thing that most people couldn't do etc.

The myth is powerful because when people are poor they blame themselves instead of the capitalist exploitative system "If I was smarter I could be rich" "If I worked much harder I could stop being poor" etc this kind of thought basically shields capitalism from every single criticism because as long as there's people who "made it" it will always be your fault if you live like a dog, and as a happy side effect people will "work harder" for Porky because they think that working more and more hours and being more productive is the way to attain wealth.

How to debunk this myth in simple terms? If people realized that regardless of what they do the possibility of them becoming rich is extremely low more people would join the socialist camp, liberating proles from their alienation is the way to achieve revolution.
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So I've been reading multiple economics books cause I feel like college didn't do much for me in regards to that and then I got to Capital to see why communists and socialists were so fervent.

Needless to say this book converted me. So here I am. Gonna finish this and volume 2 and 3.
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why are there so many useless bullshit jobs in the west?

Receptionists, inventory managers, government bureaucrats. Mindless droolers doing useless repetitive tasks that can be easily automated with 80s level software. Why do they exist? To babysit the general public until all important jobs are shipped to SEA? Even some STEM jobs are absolutely useless, any programmer adding useless bloat for company websites via a CMS is in this same category for me. I thought capitalism was about effeciency and rational use of ressources?
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Anti-Work | How To Not Work?

Hey lads,

I've been reading a lot of post-left anti-work and post-civ stuff lately. I've decided that my life goal is to escape wage slavery as soon as possible. I actually went ahead and put in my two weeks' notice today; unfortunately it's just to go to a slightly less shittier job—I'll still be a 9–5 drone albeit with better pay, PTO, and actually simply working 9–5/no weekends instead of 9–6 and weekends.

Anyways, how does one escape wageslavery? I've analyzed some options and they all seem unappealing to me. Here goes:


This option depends on hyperinflation not happening, society not collapsing, the USA economy keeping steady for a few decades, and so forth. Too risky, and you still have to waste away your youth and wageslave until your 40's while living like a miser. It's the "safe" option, but no guts, no glory?


Not really an option because my parents won't support me. Plus, I don't want to live with my parents as an adult. Lastly, I'd rather take a more proactive approach to achieving freedom than languishing away at home.


Based, but in the end it's working all the same. Being a drug dealer is like running a small business, only you have to deal dangerous customers as a bonus. Learning how to hack/fraud/etc. would take the same if not more effort than learning how to code and getting a non-illegal tech job.

Does /leftypol/ have any ideas? How the fuck do we escape slavery?
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Islam in Soviet Union

How did the Soviets deal with Islam? Especially in regards to women rights?
How did islamic populace react?
How were they able to make them only keep some minor spooky stuff while effectively ban the most reactionary element?
Did they ban the Hijab and child marring stuff?
Any source?
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Are we ever going to get a modern day MLK/Malcolm X/Huey? Now I know you're thinking "blacks already have rights" but what really made these guys important to me was their anti capitalist stance. BLM just isn't doing it for me tbh.
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Functional Fascism

I've been thinking about how critiques of fascism and imperialism are re-appropriated by the right, often unconsciously. Example, colonel Jessup in a few good men, he's obviously the bad guy but go to the comments section of a video on the scene of "you can't handle the truth" and you will see a bunch of people defending him. It's like in jarhead when they are watching the helicopter scene from apocalypse now, originally conceived as an anti war film, they are comparing the americans in vietnam to the nazis which is why they play wagner, but now its being celebrated uncritically as "america, fuck yeah" by a bunch of marines. Another example is starship troopers memes used by /pol/, clearly the movie is lampooning fascism and us imperialism.

What I think explains this is that fascism, as Walter Benjamin says, is the 'the aestheticization of politics'. The difference is revolutionary progressive politics makes art political while reaction makes politics "artistic".

>Fascism attempts to organize the newly proletarianized masses without affecting the property structure which the masses strive to eliminate. Fascism sees its salvation in giving these masses not their right, but instead a chance to express themselves. The masses have a right to change property relations; Fascism seeks to give them an expression while preserving property. The logical result of Fascism is the introduction of aesthetics into political life. (…) Mankind, which in Homer’s time was a spectacle for the Olympian gods, has become one for itself. (…) Communism responds by politicizing art.

Because of this heavy emphasis on aesthetics anything which uses the aesthetics of fascism, even from a critical point of view, functionally sort of becomes fascist, because fascism is largely aesthetics to begin with. It's like pornography, yes its just a depiction of sex but that doesn't mean the actors aren't actually having sex. This is why parodies of fascism can't work because the parody often indistinguishable from the real thing. The only critiques of reactionary politics I've seen that don't fall into this are both dramatic (not parodies or comedies) and incredibly hamfisted in that they spell out FASH BAD in bold, flashing capital letters, ex: "V for Vendetta" the movie not comic book.

Why can't rightoids distinguish parody? Is it purposeful (ex: Baneposting) or unconscious? And is this inevitable given reactionary ideologies tendency towards substanceless aesthetics, mysticism, and irrationality?
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All Internationalists should learn Esperanto

How are the workers of the world supposed to unite if they cannot even agree to a single unified language?

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Andreas Malm

I'm genuinely curious, but when did Andreas Malm get interested in climate change?
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/leftypol/ told me i should always support Nationalism outside the imperial core, but isn't it a simplistic view?
When is Nationalism good and when is it bad?
Why the iranian revolution based but the Afghan struggle against a foreign country not?
Why is it ok for Iran but not for Checenya?
Isn't the Yugolav balcanization also a struggle for self determination? How about the prague spring or the hungarian counter revolution?
Where do i draw the line?
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Why do economic crashes happen?

There has been a cycle of economic collapses every decade or two, is it for the last hundred years maybe hundreds of years, all I remember is the recent part of the story these collapses, like the dot com bubble in the 2000 or the stock market crash pf 2008 because of real estate loans or some shit, these regular collapses have been happening because of one thing, but, we are overdue for another and the thing is, this time its not going to be because of one thing but at least a few the consumer credit card debt + other shit i cant remember atm. Can any one give their insight?
As far as I can tell there are multiple bubbles this time, combined with near zero energy prices for middle class and higher where they usually sell back to the grid they have an even bigger problem an techno-economic one. Maybe they'll try plaster it with UBI. We could have had UBI since the 80s
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Individualism thread

Individualism is the only way to change anything. Individuals can do plenty of covert damage. Im de-programming individuals one by one into communism. The individual scale is what dictates the collective scale. That is the only real way to change anything
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/meg/ - Middle East General

This thread is for discussion about the Middle East

Long Live The Intifada

Israel/Palestine cytube still going?
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Ethiopia: Tigray War

Anyone know what's going on here? Are there any /ourguys/ in there or? Who are the different sides aligned with geopolitically? Is the TPLF based or cringe? Are they Maoist?

Also what do we think of the old Soviet aligned Dergue government?
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So what do you guys think about... centrists?

Should they be deprogrammed (especially when they've been extensively brainwashed or blinded by mainstream neoliberal progressive ideology)? Should they be left alone, even though it means that you're risking their lives (they're absolutely going to consume the blue pill should they be extensively indoctrinated)?

Pic: low budget, but sums my argument clearly
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Leave Caleb maupin a 5 star review if you have amazon

Show support to our borger king bro trashing breadtube stupidity.

You guys are going to read the book anyway for free online

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Critical Race Theory

Can anyone please explain to me what the fuck this even is? I've tried watching videos on it and I still don't know what it's supposed to be about. At this point I'm not even sure if it even exists? Is it a glowop?
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Why are more and more people of the younger generation begin to identify themselves as liberal?

I just wanna know.
Why are more young people beginning to skew towards liberalism? And because of that, liberalism became trendy. More and more people are identifying themselves with neoliberal idpol tags, such as being bi, being gay, being black, they/them/his, etc etc.
And how are we going to save future generations from the toxic encroaches of liberalism?
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The American Revolution

In this thread we will strive for an objective, materialist analysis of the American Revolutionary War. Was it progressive? Was it a true liberal revolution against the feudal and monarchist leadership of the British empire? Was it a reactionary attempt by the ruling slave class to protect the institution of slavery and the expansion of colonialism, as many others claim?

In America, it's unbelievably taboo to ask questions like this, but leftypol is capable of being a lot more objective, and brushing aside propaganda than the average liberal space, so I want to know what y'all think.

Also, any good books or articles on the subject?
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Is it in line with DiaMat? I see it used by a lot of structural marxists that have infamously trouble accepting dialectics, so maybe overdetermination is indeed a revision from Marx?
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"Under gommunisum, you'd had to work like a slave!"

I've come across this sham argument in an increasing amount recently, also by Eastern Euro anti-communists.
Meanwhile Burgerland, workers in a bloody chips factory work themselves to death.

Or the hyper-exploitation, which is going on now in Eastern Europe.

>In Romania, ‘modern slaves’ burn noxious trash for a living
>In the trash-strewn slums of Sintesti, less than 10 miles from Romania’s capital, Mihai Bratu scrapes a dangerous living for his Roma family amid the foul reek of burning plastic that cloys the air day and night.
>[…] “We don’t want to do this. Why don’t they give us jobs like (communist dictator Nicolae) Ceausescu used to, they would come with buses, with cars, and take us to town to work,” she told The Associated Press. “Gypsies are seen as the worst people no matter where we go or what we do.”

We know better, but feel free to post more examples of horrid working conditions in Eastern Europe and the imperial core, in addition to showing evidence of how working conditions under communism steadily improved over time, to use against anti-communists in debates.
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If the world is suffering from problems with environmental degradation caused by industrial waste why not just build and dig bigger landfills that can contain more trash and build more sanitational based equipment? Why not just replant old trees? why not just cut down on production if keeping factories operating is causing industrial waste? It wouldn't be hard to keep streets clean, it wouldn't be hard to keep the air breathable, it wouldn't be hard to simply not turn the planet into a wasteland simple just by giving a shit about the natural environment
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Real question please help

I'm trying to de-nazify myself, trying to shift into anarcho-egoism, I think I get the basic concepts of leftism and all, but one thing keeping me away from full-blown leftism is, if race doesn't really matter and all that is just the capitalist ploy to keep us divided, why are there no thinkers, I mean like Marx and Stirner and stuff, that would be black or asian? I mean there were people like Mao or Mugabe but they still borrow all the basic ideas from Marx, point is, why is it only white man that thinks this way, or, dare I say, why is it only white man that thinks? Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm really trying here, but just… why does it seem like only muh yuropeons "think?"
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Defend North Koreas bloated and ineffective military budget. Why would anyone spend 20% on obsolete toys when everything comes down to Chinas involvement anyway?
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Tunisia’s president dismisses prime minister after protests

>Tunisia’s president has announced the suspension of the Tunisian parliament and the dismissal of Prime Minister Hicham Mechichi after violent protests broke out in several Tunisian cities over the government’s handling of the COVID pandemic and the economy.

>President Kais Saied said on Sunday he would assume executive authority with the assistance of a new prime minister, prompting the biggest challenge yet to a 2014 constitution that split powers between president, prime minister and parliament.

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Relativistic Marxism

This thread is to discuss potential problems with Marxism in a relativistic society and how theory can solve them.

The first problem that comes to light is the tendency for the rate of profit to fall is affected by time dilation. If a spaceship is moving fast wrt Earth, the tendency for the rate of profit to fall will be slower in the spaceship.

Another problem is, for rates of profit to equalise across industries, it will require higher rates of profit in the spaceship since rates of profit on Earth will appear to be higher in the spaceship. For the same set of commodities to make a higher rate of profit in the spaceship, either exploitation needs to be greater or socially necessary labour time needs to be lower in the spaceship.

Lastly, workers on the spaceship appear to be working slower than those on Earth. Should this affect socially necessary labour time? I don't think so because the workers on the spaceship are also consuming less.

As well as these general problems with Marxism, can Cockshottian planning work in a relativistic society?
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Soviet Wars 1917-1923(31)

A million sides, constant changes of allies, a bunch of events - sort of the First World War in the South, in the Crimea and in the Urals, the latest fleet operations against the Germans and the Entente in the Baltic, literally Syria in the Ukraine, the Red Army attacking British tanks with bayonets near Arkhangelsk, the Wild West with Basmachi in Central Asia, Latin American partisanship in Siberia, White Genghis Khan is plotting something, White Czechs are fleeing from the Red Czechs with tsarist gold, finally the fight against anti-Soviet uprisings and simply hellish gang violence.

Red, White, Green, Black, Basmachi
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Debunking malthusian beliefs

Theres already enough food on the planet until 2050 in fact it's been proven with countries like kenya china brazil and india that reducing population sizes dont fix societal problems as your controlling population sizes not increasing the wealth of a country per person
>water crises
This is a man made problem, desalination, well digging, atmospheric humidity to drinking water hell even fresh water supplies in the ocean are all available and most drinking water is spent on unsustainable farming methods that could be improved on in a month
>climate change
The earths climate is changing but not due to human influence as earth is fucking huge with most of its land and resources being unused, the biggest greenhouse gas isnt co2 it's water vapor and historically the climate has spiked and fallen at different intervals due to the climate cycle
Your at risk of mortality if your health is already compromised either often due to drugs, if your already ill or obesity, wear a mask and keep away from others but dont take the vaccine as theres no evidence that it works(something that you'll be told on official papers from your local government) and most vaccines are being produced by corporations that need you to take constant doses to fund their agendas whatever they may be
>gun violence
Drugs kill far more people every year than guns and the tobacco industry alone is responsible for 100 million deaths by cigarettes in the 20th century alone, it's been documented that outbreaks of gun violence primarily occur in areas where guns are restricted like chicago, canada(yes even they have mass shootings and quite a few)russia and california as gun control is a weak response to fixing the problems with a countries security as epidemics of violence are a byproduct of people not bullets
>mass immigration is a form of colonialism
It isnt most immigrants assimilate at one point in their lives or their nationality changes as they've settled into a region of the planet for long enough, immigrants cant take your jobs especially in capitalist societies because employers have multiple ways to create artificial unemployment including outsourcing, forcing workers to work longer and under hiring to have a workforce that's desperate for a job, or automation, no most migrants do not live on welfare including illegals as they dont have the proper legal information required to recieve social securities whom in societies like Britain france and america are actually quite scarce
<I think that's all of them
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I know this is supposed to be non-sectarian, but I have noticed a serious problem with this board that is either going to eat it up and doom it to irrelevancy or at least be acknowledged and worked on. There is a very large group of people on this board who constantly do anything they can to be as edgy as possible by engaging in behavior like saying anyone to the left of stalin is just an idealist, or going through as many mental gymnastics as possible to say that countries like China are actually socialist.

I will preface this by saying I've met many principled ML's here who have very solid principles and criticisms of modern politics, but it seems all too common that they're willing to deny that these edgy and terminally online faux socialists are polluting this place with their dogmatism. This is especially manifested by the constant hatred thrown at groups like anarchists and leftcoms who are supposedly included in left unity, but even in the most basic threads outside of USSR or China worship, these people are constantly shat all over as not real leftists.
I don't want this board to become an ideological hugbox, and I enjoy the discourse between different leftist groups, but the fact that obviously mentally ill people dominate the board and get free reign to shit on people that should be considered comrades under the guise of non-sectarianism is seriously killing this place.

This is coming from the bottom of my heart, I really want to see leftypol be something better, but it's really disillusioning when you're relentlessly shat on and called a radlib or anarkiddie for criticizing anything about the hivemind of this board.

tl;dr anarchists and leftcoms are comrades too, and it's really hard to agree with left unity when they're constantly shat on
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Whats wrong with /pol/?

I wanna understand how that site descended from an obscure mostly liberal imagebboard that could discuss politics with a varied amount of humor to a cesspit of botting, bait and shill posting that's actually more popular than most communities on reddit with a userbase that's so politically 1 sided that it feels like only 1 or a few like minded people browse and run the entire site. Around 70% the catalog of /pol/ in it's current state is anti vax propaganda and the rest is almost exclusive to id/pol/ faggotry, how did that place reach this point and is it possible for them to recover?
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Wait a second

Germany got a leader that believed the proper response to a war that killed 15 million people and led to multiple economic crashes all over Europe was the senseless mass slaughter of other europeans and the entire planet and he would go on to trigger a war that would come to kill 60 million people leading to even more economic disasters, multiple human rights violations and a flu outbreak, that same leader was a documented sex offender and now several decades after that horrific event in history broke out a bunch of virgins and druggies in their teens and 20s would go on to worship that bloodthirsty lunatic and commit acts of domestic terrorism often times again towards other europeans as a means of protesting their extremist views hoping to trigger another war that will leave millions dead and potentially 100s of millions of lives ruined….
Now that I'm thinking about how the alt right formed I'm not even angry I'm just confused
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Working hard is stupid

Good working conditions and innovation have been proven to produce more material wealth at a faster rate than simply working longer hours, a society should strive to maintain a standard work week of no more than 40 hours and invest heavily in technology, henceforth an individual person should avoid working beyond 40 hours like the plague and seek promotions or education if working hours start climbing to a point where they work beyond 40 hours or need to take on multiple jobs to avoid work induced stress and fall into drug addiction. No self respecting man should have to enslave themselves to put food on the table every night nor should have to work their whole lives and neglect important things like family community and country
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How is Socialism supposed to be fair?

How is Socialism supposed to be fair? How could it possibly distribute limited goods and services rationally and fairly? Take Caviar for instance, it's a food product with a limited amount of production. Under Socialism, who gets Caviar? You can't possibly distribute and ration a "fair" amount to everybody in a country can you? Who gets Caviar first? Who doesn't get Caviar? Is this fair?

How would Socialism go about making Caviar fair?
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Late to the party

What the fuck happened to this place?

I visited this board a few years ago and was totally put off by the retarded leftist talking points. All the radfem, transhumanist shit, black people worship, orange man bad, white peepo bad, etc etc just turned me off. It seemed like an ultra retarded, neo-lib echo chamber. As a result I never really checked this place out too much because my first impression with it was so bad. For whatever reason, a thread on /pol/ got me lurking here a few days ago and I was blown away by the transformation that's happened. Suddenly this place now despises all the neo-lib retardation, and is woke about idpol being used as a weapon to stop people from uniting. There's actual intelligent discussion. There's people with actual enlightened opinions on the shit going down now.

Why/how did this transformation come about? Did leftists suddenly become based? Or did old-school /pol/acks just become woke? I haven't been following any politics very much for the past few years because I was busy getting my degree. Can someone give me a qrd?
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News 7/26/21

Leading Russian Communist politician Grudinin barred from running in election after ex-wife reveals hidden foreign investments
According to Gennady Zyuganov, the Communist Party leader, the decision to bar Grudinin is “illegal, unlawful and abnormal.” This is not the first time the controversial figure has been stopped from entering parliament. In 2019, following the death of MP Zhores Alferov, Grudinin was selected to replace him in the Duma. However, the CEC refused to admit him, citing his foreign bank accounts.

KKE: The increase in minimum wage a parody
“The increase-parody of the minimum wage is a ‘freeze’ – for another year – at the miserable levels, which were lowered by a government decision a decade ago, abolishing the national collective labour agreement. The government’s announcement is a challenge to the workers,” the Communist Party (KKE) underlined in a statement on Monday. … Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis announced on Monday during a cabinet meeting that the minimum wage in Greece will increase by 2 percent.

Sir Keir backs Dawn Butler but says Speaker who kicked her out ‘did the right thing’
The Brent Central MP was ejected from the chamber by stand-in speaker Judith Cummins on Friday after she twice refused to withdraw a remark that the Prime Minister had lied repeatedly to fellow MPs and the country. Ms Butler said that poor people have paid with their lives because the PM has been dishonest about his failure to handle the Covid-19 crisis. Parliamentary rules bar MPs from accusing each other of dishonesty.

Mexican president says Biden must "make decision" on Cuba embargo
"It is not conceivable that in these times they want to punish an independent country with a blockade," Lopez Obrador said. "I think that President Biden must make a decision about it. It is a respectful call, from no point of view of interference, but we must separate the political from the humanitarian."

Surge in deadly violence in Colombia undoes peace process’ security gains
Homicides in Colombia went up between 24% and 29% in the first half of 2021, undoing the security gains achieved by a 2016 peace deal with demobilized FARC guerrillas. According to the Defense Ministry, the number of homicides went up 24% while the Medical Examiner’s Office reported an increase of 29%.

Lebanese billionaire Mikati appointed PM with backing of Hezbollah & Amal after months of stalemate
Lebanon’s new prime minister designate, Najib Mikati, has secured enough votes to form a government and implement a French-devised plan aimed at saving the country from its financial crisis after months of political deadlock. On Monday, businessman Mikati, a two-time former PM, received the support of the Lebanese groups Hezbollah and Amal among others, securing enough votes to form a government following parliamentary consultation.

Tunisia on edge as president suspends parliament, fires PM
Some demonstrators cheered the firings, shouting with joy and waving Tunisian flags, but others accused the president of a power grab, and the country’s overseas allies expressed concern that it might be descending again into autocracy. In a move sure to fuel those worries, police raided the offices of broadcaster Al Jazeera and ordered it to shut down.

Pro-admin rallyists expect Duterte to tackle counter-terrorism, hit progressive groups
The pro-Duterte rallyists called on the leadership of Congress to “expel” and the Commission on Elections to delist the progressive party-list groups. These include Anakbayan, Bagong Alyansang Makabayan, Bayan Muna, Kabataan, Gabriela, ACT, and the Makabayan bloc in the House of Representatives.

Some French health workers resent, resist mandatory vaccines
France has faced medical scandals in recent decades involving vaccines, diet pills and breast implants that have seeded doubts about the medical establishment. Suspicion of big pharmaceutical companies is relatively common, and politicians on both the extreme right and the left are now fueling that skepticism for their own ends.

What now for the homeless from China’s floods?
Ma was one of them, working in the construction industry, but he took a break and returned to Gongyi last month amid the centenary of the Communist Party. “I used to send money home every month, about 4,000 yuan (US$617) but now I have no idea when I can go back to the city to work,” Ma said, wondering how he would pay for his children’s education if he could not go back to his job.
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I'm confused about unions. Why do they need to vote from workers to unionize? Why can't they just have a group of people get together and organically negotiate a wage with management? I mean why even call it a union?

If I'm a welder and I'm out drinking with the other workers can I just say "hey everyone let's all agree to have one guy argue for us to the boss to end "certain policy" and if they don't then we will strike" would such a thing be illegal under current American law? Why don't more people do that?
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The problem of the left

There is almost 0 organizational discussion. There is no tactical discussion: what do now?

One of the most important things is organizing. This can be done by action for shorter workday same wage. You do not even have to mention communism while discussing this. I mean, if a workers do not understand communism and you can't convince him, it does not mean he is not proletariat.

There is very little discussion of this tactics. If there is any, it is superficial.

Most of the discussion on marxism and history of USSR, etc, but there is very little if any, action.

You can popularize short workday (same wage, not lower wage!) by printing posters and gluing them, etc. I do not know, that is the point, to understand something and act.
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Previous thread ( >>210868 ) hit bump limit.

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Socialism's Greatest Warriors

We should have a thread talking about the greatest soldiers, generals, and military leaders of the worker's cause. There are plenty to talk about Zhukov, Tukhachevsky, Che, but my personal contribution would be August Willich "The Reddest of the Red", a revolutionary leader from the 1848 revolutions, specifically the Baden-Palatinate uprising where Engels served as his aides-de-camp. He was also the leader of the "left faction" of the communist internationale, for many years he was a fierce enemy of Marx (dueling one of his disciples and nearly killing him) but his immigration to the US allowed their relationship to improve. During the Civil War he recruited many German radicals for the union army and became a colonel of the First German and later was made a Brigadier General. He was even wounded during the Atlanta Campaign at the battle of Resaca. To Willich, the civil war had become a revolutionary war and that defeated the CSA and ending slavery would create a massive social revolution in the US that could lead to socialism. IMO had the radical republicans capitalized on their victory and had Johnson not become president then Willich may very well had been correct in seeing the potential of Socialism in the USA. What revolutionary warrior do you most respect?
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Why did Kek abandon 4chan?

I was thinking about the power of kek, and the strength of the right within their peak of 2015-2016. 4chan was the nexus of sexual energy that awakened the libidinal energy of not only the young but also old conservatives. Trump was a magnet of sexual power, his swagger and sexuality the ultimate boner pill of the right. However it seems as if kek abandoned 4chan, not even /v/ memes seem to really hit the mainstream for more than a few minutes, the power of wojaks having left the hands of the site already and pepe is more of a twitch icon than a 4chan one now. I think that the reason why kek abandoned 4chan is that the god of chaos saught the general sameness of the two liberal positions, and fundamentally 4channers are liberals who merely don the masks of nazis in a sort of perverse exhibitionism of ideology. Conservatives and liberals are barely all that much different in the grand scheme of things, and kek saught the true third position in the west, which is communism or rather issues that sympathized with the left. The left's memes breathes and dies instead of festering like mindtraps of constant reinforcement such as the wojak and pepes that we see now, refinements of old concepts. Th left's memes always had the new car smell in the air, which is why even losers like Shoe was attracted to the left or at least sanderism. The left's memes are silent in the wind, but passes through the cracks a ghost that haunts the minds of the many while the right's memes are plentiful but shows cracks. The shroomjak I believe to be the last of the refinements, a being of nature in itself and thus it's conservative nature was subverted to the original power of the wojak as wojak is the purest expression of humanity and shroomjak is the purest expression of nature. The deriviatives of these mems are hollow and posses nothing more than the passing stigmata of discord memetics, a sort of come and go nature to it.
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Beardtube growing

Post links to good and classpilled left wing youtube, podcasts, etc. no radlibs, grifters, and breadtube liberals
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Thank you Kenya

Thank you kenyans for spending decades fighting off islamic terrorism in somalia, sending foreign aid and importing refugees from somalia and afghanistan for years so that Somalia's cities are now coherently stable enough for foreign investment to become profitable all while simultaneously being a developing country that has only recently had a sewage system. I dont know how you guys did it but thanks
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Have liberals ever argued FOR surplus value?

I'm a commie becasue I'm not getting my surplus value. If a liberal could explain: 1. that surplus value extraction is real and 2. explain why porkies NEED to take my surplus value, I wouldn't be a commie.

So that begs the question, has any liberal ever answered my second question? Do liberals even know what surplus value is? At some level they have to know that wages =/= my labor power.
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Deprogram myself. I can't stand this.

I'm seriously (not joking) a newbie leftist. I was once an independent, but skewed left and finally could able to call this place home.

What books, pdfs, and links should I read?

No harrasment allowed. Respect newcomers, for you're one too back in the day. Respect victims also!
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/mlm/ - Maoism General

While there are surely some people interested in Maoism on /leftypol/, the tendency has no noticeable presence here. From my observation Maoism has been gaining traction in socialist communities online recently. Though the ideology's influence is still relatively small, I'm optimistic that we're witnessing the earlier stages of Maoists winning leadership in the movements of the working class which will result in the reconstitution of Communist Parties guided by MLM. I started this thread to spur investigation and discussion amongst potential comrades.

Why Maoism? https://tjen-folket.no/index.php/en/2019/08/14/why-maoism-what-is-maoism/
"Maoism is developed in the first place by six great communist leaders: Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and Gonzalo."
"The rightist line led China back to capitalism, and dismantled the dictatorship of the proletariat into a fascist state. (…) But the cultural revolution and Mao Zedong Thought inspired millions of people all over the world, and led to the creation of a number of new communist parties on a revolutionary basis. They started people’s wars in Peru, India, the Philippines, Turkey, and Nepal."
"Gonzalo and the PCP maintain that Mao’s mass line, the line for the protracted people’s war and the line for the cultural revolution are the foremost examples of Maoism’s universal applicability, along with Maoism’s advancement of Marxism’s philosophy and economy."
"Gonzalo Thought is Maoism applied to the concrete conditions for revolution in Peru, but it is the universal conclusions in these thoughts that apply to the rest of the world."

Maoist Resources:

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Social Engineering

I am currently reading Capitalist Realism and the part I'm at is discussing the capitalist system's efficacy in shaping perception to render the new generations impotent and misguided. That's at least how I understood it. It got me wondering, all the research on social engineering that has been done in the mid 20th century by intelligence agencies like the CIA and private organizations like the Rockefeller foundation, is there any evidence that it is being used today? I'm not doubting that it has been used, but do we have explicit evidence?
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>Planned economies could wor- oh…

What are your thoughts? Can Walmart's model be expanded to the economy of an entire nation? And further as the global economy?
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Mates, I think I might actually be a filty trot.

What it says in the title, mates. I've been reading Mandel and holy fuck is he based, especially in contrast to Mattick's idealism in "Anti-Bolshevik Communism". People say there is no difference between trots and tanks in their approach to revolution and building of socialism, but if Mandel is an example, then there is a theoretical chasm. One recognizes bureaucracy as a separate social strata with its separate interests - the other is not. One champions spontaneity and self-agency of the masses - the other is not. One recognized that without proletarian democracy, direct democracy of the soviets, there cannot be socialism - the other is not. One recognized that economic revolution requires a political revolution - the other is not. One wrote a book about the marxist theory of bureaucracy - the other is not.

Honestly, if followers of a man say something about this man, then I gained much respect for Trotsky. Mandel was a great popularizer of marxism, made actual advancements in marxist theory, worked with shaikh, made contributions to transformation debate, wrote a book about marxist interpretation of long cycles etc.

Here what Mandel has to say about Trotsky in his "Trotsky as alternative", tankies be seething.
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I actually give 0 shits about what happens to south africa

Anglos literally saw the horrendous state the united states was in during the colonial era(believe it or not crime, ethnic infighting, corruption and the inefficiencies of capitalism were actually alot fucking worse back then compared to today) and instead of having the sense to at least look at that country and go "holy fuck let's not do that again" they went into south africa went to war with the people already living there and repeated all the same mistakes, 95 years of an apartheid state yet not a single year under it did homicide rates or wealth inequality fell, worries over civil war and genocide of white south africans was a prevalent worry throughout apartheid. That's not normal you shouldn't create a system so abhorrently awful that you have to be worried about getting yourself killed under it, and what's worse are the asian migrants that immigrated their with even less self awareness than the Anglo population and not only showed open support for apartheid but also free markets that resulted in situations of mass unemployment, constant civil unrest, extreme amount of ethnic infighting and more. 1 could say it's the best african country but I'm not sure if that's true when it has a shitstorm of other problems, especially when one realizes rohedsia needed to be annexed and have the white population deported simply to not turn out the same way as south africa
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Renewable Energy

Liberals and Socdems swear on it so much, that I really start wondering if it actually is capable of replacing coal as the main source of energy. I am scepitcal ofcourse. Imo we fucked it up a long time ago when we ruled out nuclear fission as a temporary alternative, but those "progressives" always screech at me for suporting a "terrible" alternative such as nuclear and they have science and facts on their side to demonstrate how renewables are the future.
Well, what says the opposition? Are there studies that show us renewables are nowhere near replacing coal in its capacity?
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1 thing ive noticed about chinese infrastructure

How do I phrase this
<in simple terms it's not great
>in long terms
It feels rushed and unplanned(which makes sense since they had a population boom and hence needed to grow their economy at the same rate as their population), like the leading designers carelessly placed a bunch of farmland all over the fucking country and place cities wherever it was convenient with 0 regard as to the long term side effects of such reckless decision making skills in the process of building the country, somewhat similar to how orks in warhammer 40k have a tendency to develop their Mahinery without much thinking but with Hope's that it simply works. What's worse about chinese infrastructure is you'll know in hindsight that citizens of the chinese government will be using these poorly thought out cities will be living in them for decades where the idea of major infrastructure collapsing and factories randomly fucking exploding and leaving dozens if not 100s dead is seen as an everyday occurrence. All I can say about chinese infrastructure is that it needs major and I mean MAJOR renovations because their are currently cities in fucking subsaharan africa that have gone through wars riots and all kinds of mayhem that are still standing tall and are still functional, I hope the chinese labour force doesnt age itself into extinction to make renovating the country to improve the future of the next generation of chinese citizens
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Why do communists have such cynical views on love and romance?

It seems like every communist and anarchist I know not only hates the idea of marriage and monogamy but also the concept of "love" itself. They hold that having emotional attachments to one special person to be reminiscent of private property relations.

Anyone have thoughts on this?
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Dorathy Day: based or cringe?

>Dorothy Day (November 8, 1897 – November 29, 1980) was an American journalist, social activist and anarchist who, after a bohemian youth, became a Catholic without abandoning her social and anarchist activism. She was perhaps the best-known political radical among American Catholics.

>began as an anarchist/socialist

>read Marx and Kropotkin
>""ex"" communist
>part of the Catholic Worker Movement
>sided with republicans in spanish civil war despite church being on francos side
>ww2 pacifist
>later associated with the new left
>praised castro and ho chi minh
>dunked on the new left and disliked free love, premarital sex & pot
>defended Solzhenitsyn
>visited the Kremlin
>Jailed while protesting with Cesar Chavez

<We believe in widespread private property, the de-proletarianizing of our American people. We believe in the individual owning the means of production, the land, and his tools. We are opposed to the "finance capitalism" so justly criticized and condemned by Karl Marx, but we believe there can be a Christian capitalism as there can be a Christian Communism. She also stated: "To labor is to pray – that is the central point of the Christian doctrine of work. Hence it is that while both Communism and Christianity are moved by 'compassion for the multitude,' the object of communism is to make the poor richer, but the object of Christianity is to make the rich poor and the poor holy."

>In November 1949, in the course of explaining why she had protested the recent denial of bail to several Communists, she wrote: "[L]et it be remembered that I speak as an ex-Communist and one who has not testified before Congressional Committees, nor written works on the Communist conspiracy. I can say with warmth that I loved the [communist] people I worked with and learned much from them. They helped me to find God in His poor, in His abandoned ones, as I had not found Him in Christian churches." She identified points on which she agreed with the communists: "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" and the "withering away of the State." Others she added with qualifications: "the communal aspect of property as stressed by the early Christians." And she identified differences: "we disagree over and over again with the means chosen to reach their ends." She agreed that "Class war is a fact, and one does not need to advocate it," but posed the question of how to respond:

<The Communists point to it as forced upon them and say that when it comes, they will take part in it, and in their plans, they want to prepare the ground and win as many as possible to their point of view and for their side. And where will we be on that day? …We will inevitably be forced to be on their side, physically speaking. But when it comes to activity, we will be pacifists, I hope and pray, non-violent resisters of aggression, from whomever it comes, resisters to repression, coercion, from whatever side it comes, and our activity will be the works of mercy. Our arms will be the love of God and our brother.

>Regarding Fidel Castro's Cuba, she wrote in July 1961: "We are on the side of the revolution. We believe there must be new concepts of property, which is proper to man, and that the new concept is not so new. There is a Christian communism and a Christian capitalism. …We believe in farming communes and cooperatives and will be happy to see how they work out in Cuba. …God bless Castro and all those who are seeing Christ in the poor. God bless all those who are seeking the brotherhood of man because in loving their brothers, they love God even though they deny Him."

So, was she based or cringe?
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Great men theory

Do marxist really belive that if hitler wasn't born, 6 millions would still be dead at the end of world war 2?
That operation barbarossa would be a failure?
Or that if gorbachov wasn't born the soviet union would still fall?
Or that if trotsky succeded lenin the USSR would be the same thing as with Stalin?
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Anti-Maoist Hate Thread

When will they realize being lead by petty bourgeois academes is a bad idea?
When will they realize changing culture is a poor idea?
When will they stop screaming revisionism at others and realize how revisionist they are with their dogmatism?
When will they stop splintering?
When will they focus on long-term goals instead of petty acts of violence and shock-value?
When will they stop making excuses because "What do you not get about muh PROTRACTED people's war?"
When will they win a revolution?


So join in on the hate. Fuck this petty-bourgeois ideology, along with other failed movements that belong in the dustbin of history (like Trotskyism). Post your copypastas, videos, memes, articles, everything.
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Philosophy of Science

Do marxists have something to say against this field that is so heavily dominated by the analytic school and their methodology? Is the scientifc methody as it is right now, faulty or not? Is the verifaction principle truly the non-plus ultra of scientific praxis? Then how is physics called a science when it is based on abstract models, while psychology is constantly criticized for not being up to par with scientific standards?
Pic somewhat related since he wrote "Materialism and empirio-criticism"
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Russia is coming to an end - is there any salvation?

Russia today is much weaker than the Romanov Empire, which existed from 1613 to 1917, or the Soviet Union. Russia's biggest problem is Internal: this huge Eurasian country could not create a national identity that would cover its entire population. Millions of Russian citizens are doubtfully loyal to their state, and as soon as Moscow loosens its tight control over local elections, which is likely to happen only when Putin is no longer president, these groups will seek independence. Separatism is a time bomb, which Putin is so afraid of, will explode in 10, 20 years.

Why? Here are the three main reasons:

First, and most importantly, the separatist impulses inside Russia are strong. As two examples, let's take Tatarstan and Bashkortostan, two ethnic autonomous republics in the center of Russia. There are strong nationalist organizations in these republics-Azatlyk (Union of Tatar Youth) and Bashkir Kuk Bure (Heavenly Wolf)-which call for unity with other Turkic-speaking and Finno-Ugric peoples of the region. Both still keep the memory of the capture of Kazan by Ivan the Terrible, which occurred in 1552 and led to the fact that for five hundred years there has been a sense of loss in both republics. As we saw during the Russian-Chechen wars of the 1990s and early 2000s, in which tens of thousands of people died, separatist movements in Russia can be bloody and prolonged. These may not be only ethnic minorities: ethnic Russians living in Siberia, the Urals and the Far East, rich in natural resources, have tried several times to achieve independence, and the Kremlin's predatory policy in these regions contributes to this in every possible way.

Under Putin's successor, the country's tense unity may finally give way to these separatist plans. One can only guess who will be the next ruler, but it is likely that Putin will personally choose him or her at the very end of his term of office, and it is unclear whether this successor will be able to continue the strong grip that Putin held on various groups and regions. And, in the absence of a system of checks and balances or any other strong institutions in Russia, this level of control may simply be necessary to ensure the existence of the country as a whole. So Vyacheslav Volodin, deputy head of the Kremlin administration, can see how his famous words come true: "If there is Putin, there is Russia; if there is no Putin , there is no Russia."

Secondly, the unifying ideology of Russia today simply does not have the power that its predecessors possessed. Vladislav Surkov, a long-time Putin aide, claims that Russia has entered a new historical stage: "Putin's long state" (a global ideology that, according to him, is as attractive to followers as Marxism). In fact, Putinism is a fiery mixture of Eurasianism and what the Russian ultraconservative philosopher Alexander Dugin calls the fourth political theory. Eurasianism is a school of thought that emerged in the 1920s among Russian anti-communist emigrants. He [Dugin] stands for the exclusive and messianic role of Russia as a civilization that exists on its own terms, which is not part of either the East or the West. The fourth political theory is designed to unite the" best " of fascism and communism in a new crusade against liberalism. Dugin proposes to remove atheism and the equal distribution of wealth from communism and racism from fascism, continuing mainly their joint mission.

Despite the fact that such an ideology may seem frightening, it is not comparable [in its strength] with either Tsarism or Marxism-Leninism, the two ideologies that previously dominated in Russia. The sacredness of the Tsar has been a real bond for the Russian people for many centuries. Marxist-Leninist ideas of equality and the distribution of wealth were really attractive in many countries in the post-colonial era.

Finally, the current intellectual and economic conditions in Russia pale in comparison with the situation during the tsarist Empire or the Soviet Union. Under the tsarist regime, Europeans came to Russia to practice medicine, teach at universities, conduct research and open a business. The Soviet government created a relatively comfortable life for some leading scientists (as long as they did not go against the system). Today, higher education and science in Russia are in a catastrophically miserable state. The economy is based on the pumping of natural resources and shows no signs of modernization. The most significant sign is that the children of the Russian elite prefer to study and live in the West.

The world should be ready for the collapse of Russia.
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The Moscow Trials

So what's /leftypol/ consesus on Moscow Trials? Was it a farce? Or were they actually guilty? Was there a trotsko-fascist conspiracy? Are all the testimonies fake?
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Nation of Islam

Not a Burger, but why some people on this board support these clowns?
To me they just seem a bunch of schizos who have some scientology tier views.
What can these people give to a revolution? What good would be for a prole to join these kind of cults?
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was there ever a point when imperialism was a force for good ? was it the best way to bring the different peoples of the world to the modern age ? if yes then at what point did it go bad ?

pic semi related: its a japanese portrayal of commodore perry's ships
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Opinion on religious communists?

What it says on the tin. What do you think about Christian/Muslim/whatever communists? Should they be trusted to work along with leftists or are they reactionaries in comrade's clothing?
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If you could remove 2 people for

The most radical change possible to the world power structure and the path it is taking who would you choose to be removed?

Alot of people can be replaced by next man up but some out there are very valuable with their knowledge and connections.
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Communism in parties without the name

It seems like Marxism-Leninism is being popular and successful in many parties that are not explicitly communist. Yes, the Communist Party of China exists, but look at other countries. MAS in Bolivia, Free Peru in Peru, the Socialist Party of South Africa….All of these seem to be Marxist-Leninists that name their parties either socialist or some other populist concoction of a name. Is there an advantage to doing this? Should this be the path for the US? I remember a debate between two MLs recently and it was over whether to forge ahead in the CPUSA or to run in the People's Party. It seems like the winning model might vary between countries, but
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What are chinese african relations like? I'm asking this because Africans are kind of chinas only allies outside of russia
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Gay Pride, 07.24.2021, Hungary -- a commie analysis

This was the first gay pride parade I have witnessed in person (I didn't participate, but I've watched them march for 40 minutes before me), and I would like to share with you my overall analysis.

In terms of participation this was a historical record, since the Fidesz government recently passed a law that bars "homosexual/pedo" education or videos, etc. to be thought (in schools) or broadcast (on TV, radio) "targeted" at those under 18. (Obviously the government's ulterior motive is to paint gays as pedos and vica versa, while using this as their nth fake anti-EU crusade.)

Having witnessed the parade and reading every flag and sign carried, listening to every music that was being pumped out from vans, I have the following assessment to share. Capital city (Budapest) gays (&co.) are overwhelmingly pro-(neo)liberals, for a single reason: they give them crumbs and ultimately meaningless gestures when in opposition or in government.

This leads me to my observations:

1. capital city gays, while good intentioned, literally have no idea how politics and economics in general works. When their preferred parties are in power, severe austerity measures are pushed on the broadest stratum of the population, while they get some mild recognition (allowing male-male couples to adopt, for example). So while they are placated by these symbolic gestures, the majority population gets FUCKED in an economic sense. What follows, quite obviously, is the (hard) right gaining more popularity in the process, and they – as a bonus – receive a political boogeyman (gays) to hate upon, and to push blame onto, allowing the right to escape actual economic policies to be discussed, since "what corrupted >>us<< was the gay lobby, etc."…

2. When the first Gay Pride marches were organized in Hungary's capital (nineties), the participators were waaay more antagonistic and iconoclastic in their endeavour. Some people had dildos on their foreheads, some people used dildos to 'thrust' the "Holy" Bible, some were openly portraying their BDSM costume when marching, and so on. Quite obviously, this all ended up as rage-fuel for the hard right, who used these pictures as "proof" of how "deranged" and "abnormal" these people were. Jump to this exact event, and we see far less people in the gay pride march using such "symbolism" fetishism openly displayed. If you ask me, my approximation is that out of a 100 protesters 10 were openly "narcissistic/fetishistic/over-sexualized" in the 90's, while today the proportion dropped to like 1 protester out of 1000…

2.1. Still, this literally doesn't matter from the extreme right's POV, because they have their photographers on scene, and they will always focus on and publish the ""most degenerate"" participants, regardless of proportions. While I saw like 30 (or so) buckle-up naked male gays out of… 2k protesters, the right-wing's media coverage will focus on "that" minority, emphasizing how they are "corrupting the children" and so on.

3. From (2.) & (2.1.) I wonder about the actual political and organizational ideology of the official organizers of this parade. My impression is that they literally don't care about "optics". For sure, they made progress, regarding being less and less anti-"""normalcy""" (in Hungarian standards), but they don't have a central leadership that could openly declare, for example: "BDSM/Furry shit is not allowed. You can have your OWN and SEPARATE events if you'd like, but don't taint our march with your FETISH, because being gay/lesbian/bisexual ISN'T ONE!"

4. I was able to speak with a pub-going company of 6 gay dudes, 2 weeks before this march happened. I talked to them about the economic fact that Hungary's participation in the EU is a net loss to this country's economy (meaning: we get less in EU funds than how much profit the international [mainly GER, FRA] companies get out from the country in profits) and their response was a blasé "well, idgaf" style of response. Sadly, these people have completely swallowed the "EU is pro-gay, while Hungary is anti-gay" pill, and therefore they uncritically support the former, disregarding what is said in (1.).

5. As you could see from the above the "capital city vs. rest of the country" dichotomy is really obviously detectable. For an average LGBT person in a rural area in our country their "number one problem" isn't about "not being socially accepted," but them working on starvation wages. The capital city LGBT shit is literally the "revolt of the middle-to-upper-middle-class" who couldn't give a single fucking shit about the ECONOMIC perspectives of a gay dude living in a village of 50 people.

6. And possibly most importantly, there is a LEGITIMATE feeling among the broad populace that this (forgive me) "LGBT SHIT" is "being imported from the outside," which goes to ALL ex-socialist countries, since it is literally what fucking happened. Sure, you can criticize ex-AES [Actually Existing Socialism] countries all you want for their positions on LGBT [btw, counter examples: Cuba, GDR, China], but you can NOT excuse them for copy-pasting the anglo-saxon model of LGBT shit and forcing it on the population, via foreign NGO's. If you didn't figure this out yet: most "Eastern-European" ex-soc countries have a population that suffered deeply from the injustices of the regime change, moving these countries from socialism to capitalism, and most of them view this as an example of "foreign interference" (which is, to an extent, justified – e.g. Viktor Orbán, and several Fidesz members literally participated in a George Soros funded education in the West).

7. Finally, to speak openly as a communist, what we see here is the problem of a legitimate movement (LGBT) due to their inability to acclimatize to the conditions on the ground. Speeches about (abstract) "human rights" and how we should meet those expectations, are for morons. Every communist knows that you should start on the ground with what you have, and NOT with something defined and implemented 3000 miles away. To make my country, Hungary, a pro-LGBT one, you need to reinvent not just social discourse as such, not just the structure of the media apparatus, but the very culture the "normies" will listen to.

I'm ready to answer your questions and respond to your criticisms.

P.s. the fact that the ongoing Olympics now allows "M2F transpeople" to participate brings the conservative governments on the side of actual feminism and scientific facts. If you, as a "lefty" don't wish to address this, you are hopeless.
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The Final Solution to the Lumpen question

What do you think should be done with the homeless people living in California? Some of them are forced into destitution by capital or mental illness but a lot of them aren't. What should be done about lifestyle-vagrantism?
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The Postmodernists

Were they right? Do people have an inherent distrust/dislike of postmodernism because it has a tendency to shatter their idealism (there really is no objective truth or morality, etc,.)?
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/IHG/ - Iran Happening General

I have for a while known that it was only a matter of time before this happens.

About 5 days ago, protests broke out in the Iranian Arab province of khuzestan. Itan has been hit by an extreme drought that has hit Khuzestan rspecially hard and combined with constant power outages, poor water rationing and a covid situation that is not improving, people have been pushed to the breaking point.

While the Protests were localized to Khuzestan and initially only demanding basic necessities, only 3 days later they have spread into numerous Iranian cities including Tehran and demands have quickly turned into anti government slogans. People are now no longer demanding water but calling for the abolition of the Islamic republic and resignation of the supreme leader. The current president is a hardliner who won the vote amids the lowest turnout in the country's history due to the fact that most of the population boycotted the elections in protest.

Today the slogans have become outright blasphemous and militant. All over Tehran you could hear "Death to Khamenei" and "ditch the Quran,long live Iran"

Police opened fire yesterday, and in retaliation citizens shot dead two police officers. 5 protesters have been killed so far and a tank that had been brought to block the road has been set on fire. Fires and skirmishes with police rage across numerous cities. People in Khuzestan have hoisted the arab separatist flag of Ahvaz. Some protesters can be seen carrying Iranian flags with the islamic emblem cut out. The government has shut down internet in the country.

It's important to remember that /leftypol/ and leftistsbin general have no horses in this race. This is a conflict between liberals and religious fundamentalists. Unlike Cuba these appear to be organic grassroots protests. There is very little evidence that these are US orchestrated even though they likely have their blessing. There are no US flags or pro US slogans, and western media is completely silent on the protests as of now. Most people are unaware of them. This is an infight between reactionaries, so please refeain from shitting up the thread with side taking.

This might or might not be a happening, but this thread is for following the situation and posting updates as well as discussion.
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These books will change your life. Read them.

<1. Capital, Vol. I | Karl Marx

The classpill. Discover the extent to how the bourgeosie exploit you. NOTE: I wouldn't recommend reading it in its entirety as Marx was a shit writer and Capital is completely disorganized. Perhaps pick up the David Harvey companion book and jump around with Capital as if it was a textbook. Also, don't bother with Vols. II and III, those are just for the autists.

<2. The Unique and Its Property | Marx Stirner

The egopill. Eliminate your spooks, be your Unique. Or, in layman's terms, be gay and do crime.

<3. The Society of the Spectacle | Guy Debord

The situationistpill. The book examines the “Spectacle,” Debord’s term for the everyday manifestation of capitalist-driven phenomena; advertising, television, film, and celebrity. Everything about capitalist society starts to make much more sense after reading this.

<4. Capitalist Realism | Mark Fischer

The doomerpill. Or, as I like to call it, the realistpill. From wikipedia because I got lazy:

"According to Fisher, capitalist realism has so captured public thought that the idea of anti-capitalism no longer acts as the antithesis to capitalism. Instead, it is deployed as a means for reinforcing capitalism. This is done through media which aims to provide a safe means of consuming anti-capitalist ideas without actually challenging the system. The lack of coherent alternatives, as presented through the lens of capitalist realism, leads many anti-capitalist movements to cease targeting the end of capitalism, but instead to mitigate its worst effects, often through individual consumption-based activities such as Product Red.[3]"

<5. Desert | Anonymous

The postciv pill. Realize that the only way we will ever be "free" is after ecological collapse and Mad Maxxing away from the state. It'll be fun!

Congratulations, you are now a depressed post-left anarchist making shitposts on /leftypol/ and conteplating an heroing. Maybe don't read and just be a normie…maybe you'll be happier that way.
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Thoughts on George Bataille?

Just read the first volume of his most well known work (The Accursed Share) and honestly i can sorta see why people view him as similar to land in some of his [Economic] views.

The way he describes the functioning of capitalism both in an esoteric way but also in a systemic way. His descriptions of capital expansion as extension being caused by pressure within the capitalist system like a machine filling up with steam, Capitalist opulence and excess and failed capitalist enterprise / the wealth and resources squandered arbitrarily as a release valve for the system (Capital descruction), Wars in the imperialist, inter-power and civil sense as a result of capitalisms tendency to expand butting up against unconquerable GeoPolitical, Geographic and ecological limits. With the solution being the taming of this wasted surplus and with it the closing of the release valve rapid, prolonged and Accelerating expansion of capital towards final ecological and geographic barriers.

The only real systems that could possibly do this would be Socialism or Lands Corporate city state bullshit.

Either way i think he's definitely a foreunner to land and the entire /acc trend.
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Accelerationist General

I've never actually heard a solid, real argument against accelerationism. People just parrot that it's stupid and ultra and "doesn't work", but nobody provides any evidence whatsoever for their claims.

Historically, every major incident of working class uprising followed or occurred in tandem with a major capitalist crisis. WW1 resulted in a wave of socialist uprisings across Europe, mass unionization pushes in just about every civilized part of the planet, and a successful socialist revolution in Russia. WW2 resulted in the takeover of China by victorious communist forces, the mass decolonization of Africa, Asia, and Latin America, the socialist liberation of more or less the entirety of Eastern Europe, and unprecedented rates of unionization in the West.

By what possible fucking stretch of the imagination could someone seriously and genuinely argue that accelerating the contradictions of capitalism "doesn't work" to produce communist uprising? Historically, it is the fucking ONLY thing that works. If anything, milquetoast reformism and cautious labor activism have shown themselves to be complete failures to producing anything resembling a strong and effective communist movement.

Only the grinding, breaking gears of surplus value extraction can lead to the liberation of the masses. Anything else is a silly, liberal pipe dream.
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this might belong in /b/ but, I was thinking about Ferdinand Sassure and linguistics and how, no words or concepts are atomic. Every concept is an interface in the sense that it's meaning is based on relations to other objects/concepts. Even things like awareness (implies being aware of something).

So with that in mind, the concept of woman is not an atomic one, it involves many things and objects that are all related to each other. It isn't culture specific either because any Bedouin or Siberian man would agree that a white woman is still a *woman*, even though she has different customs and her own ideas of femininity that aren't theirs.

Transgender people are called trans women or Two-spirit and not women because they are a fundamentally different thing than regular women. Like, nobody can say they are 100% the exact same thing, right? that's like calling red blue
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After wokeness

Today I want to attack the culture war question from a different angle. When do you guys foresee the end of it all? And How?

Obviously, with most things in history, there is no clear start and end date. We all generally recognize at some point in the early 2010's things became different. The rise of social media giants like FB, Twitter, Reddit ect. triggered some pretty drastic changes in political discourse. Old ideologies found new credence. A whole new vocabulary was invented among the youth. The rate at which news was disseminated, contextualized and recontextualized became blindingly fast. A culture war more intense than that of the 1960s swept over the western world and continues raging to this day.

How does it all end, leftypol? Do the corporations get to keep pulling our strings with their algorithms? Will it be a contributing factor to the final downfall of the American empire? How do you foresee the tech censorship question being resolved? Will there a serious movement among young people to escape wagie life, go outside, eat right and function socially again?
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Week In Review – July 25, 2021!

Several sources reported, this week, that ELEVEN soldiers and LEOs have died as they represented the United States of America.

As the Capital Riots which God sent to reward America for THEIR continued rebellion against Him result in prosecutions, this week it was revealed that one such rebel was an off-duty DEA Special Agent who brought his service weapon along, and further evidence show him live chatting with other LEOs who were seemingly ALSO involved in the rebellion: https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/mark-ibrahim-dea-agent-arrested-capitol-riot-gun-badge/?__twitter_impression=true&s=09#

Mumbai saw the highest rainfall in one day in the past seven years which caused flash flooding and “mini landslides”, and ended up killing 25 people: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-07-18/highest-one-day-july-rainfall-in-seven-years-kills-15-in-mumbai?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_medium=social&utm_content=tictoc&cmpid%3D=socialflow-twitter-tictoc&s=09


According to this piece, “Extreme weather is sweeping the world…”: https://www.businessinsider.com/photo-video-europe-china-flooding-oregon-siberia-canada-wildfires-2021-7?amp=&__twitter_impression=true&s=09

While places which rarely burn, ARE: https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/22/world/wildfires-siberia-us-canada-climate-intl/index.html?utm_term=multi-image&utm_source=twCNN&utm_content=2021-07-22T11%3A19%3A06&utm_medium=social&s=09

The Olympics are now going strong, but right along with it C19 is spreading amongst those who are on-site: https://uk.news.yahoo.com/olympics-athletes-staff-test-positive-covid-tokyo-games-171321498.html

In two Texas hospitals there is a “super bug fungus” spreading: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1274763?__twitter_impression=true&s=09

Isaiah 34:6-12 The sword of the LORD is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the LORD hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea. And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness. For it is the day of the LORD’S vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion. And the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch, and the dust thereof into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become burning pitch. It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up for ever: from generation to generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass through it for ever and ever. But the cormorant and the bittern shall possess it; the owl also and the raven shall dwell in it: and he shall stretch out upon it the line of confusion, and the stones of emptiness. They shall call the nobles thereof to the kingdom, but none shall be there, and all her princes shall be nothing.

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How did image boards become a place of conservatism and conformism honestly. It seems like every asshole on 4chan has the same generic republican/neonazi opinions and takes on vidya games and shit.
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Why exactly did Trotsky support the gold standard? Was his support of it reasonable at the time? Concerning the fait currency debate, how should a modern Marxist this dilemma?
>inb4 this isn't worth a thread
Then you should've replied to the question when I posted it in the QTDDTOT thread.
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Who would you say are the most 'accessible' leftist figures? Like if you asked the average worker about them they would say "Yeah I agree with their beliefs".
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/nordpol/ - Nordic General - Skåneutgåvan

Thread for all things Nordic. Recommended languages: Finnish, Scandinavian and English.
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Be honest with me bros, are we winning the fight against neoliberalism/capitalism/fascism worldwide? Is socialism/communism more popular today than in 1991 when the USSR collapsed? Is the future bright for the leftist camp in general terms?
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Why Are They Doing This?

I need a good answer for that, it doesn't make any sense
Why are they so hypocritic on everything? They are bragging about how people are not equal, masses are dumb and inferior should serve superior but then they cry about their conspiracies and scream "muh pods muh bugs"
İt makes you very confused…
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I was gonna write a long pseud screed on identity, but actually, I just want to know: has anyone here ever heard of the "Platypus Affiliated Society" what do you think of it? I don't really want to explain it, because I can't, and also because I want the opinions of people that have actually engaged with it, and not a bunch of people who decided its bad because of some sectarian thing they read on Wikipedia. If you've never heard of it, please politely just ignore this.
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US-China War

Would the US mount a successful ground invasion of mainland china? What about China successfully taking Taiwan and holding the worlds semiconductor capacity? What about naval battles in the pacific? Surprise nuclear attack on Hawaii?

Is it inevitable? and who will win, provided it is in the future (2030+)??
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Glow in the darks

>Where else could a red-blooded American boy lie, kill, cheat, steal, rape and pillage with the sanction and blessing of the All-Highest?” - George White, CIA agent

Growing up watching burger TV you think that intelligence agents are the good guys but when you read into their history from the black panthers/civil rights/Iraq war abu ghraib torture/etc. you realize that they are mostly just sociopaths. If America was a less warlike imperialist nation half these fucking people would just be serial killers. They are almost literally Ted Bundy with a flag pin label, combined with the smoking guy from the X-files. The fact that they use lie detectors in recruiting probably partially leads to this as a lie detector test as "lie detectors" are more like nervousness detectors and psychopaths don't feel fear which probably leads to them ending up in intelligence agencies at a higher rate than other jobs. It's not just imperialism as a force, I think many of them(agents) are literally sociopaths/psychopaths which is why they have no problem torturing people.
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Why can you guys call my questions asking for leftist news sources false flags?

I mean like seriously. Why can't you just answer the question seriously? If you see someone unconscious on the road, you've probably assisted them by calling 911 right? Then why won't you do the same to a genuine victim of mainstream media brainwashing and disinformation?

Also I would ask you guys, why do you recommend me shitty leftists that are either unpopular or just a libtard in disguise, instead of giving me links to news sites or Youtube channels run by true leftists that oppose libtardism at its finest?

I ain't going to listen to any libtards or f***ing MSRNC or FAUX NEWS or even FING CNN no more. Even I'm also done with seemingly independent news outlets (Reuters, AP, AFP). MOST IMPORTANTLY, HOWEVER, IS THAT I'M DONE WITH RIGHT-WING SITES (AMERICAN THINKER, THE HILL, GATEWAY PUNDIT, AND VARIOUS OTHER SMALL SITES)!!!!!
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News 7/23/21

‘Peak hypocrisy’: Tokyo Olympics bashed for ‘worst part of the pandemic’ reminder after mega-rich celebrities sing Imagine (VIDEO)
Activists and singers Keith Urban and John Legend – each of whom reportedly have net worths of around $75 million – were among those to melodramatically recite the former Beatles' lyrics in a supposed show of solidarity.

Algeria: Athlete withdraws from Olympics to avoid facing Israeli opponent
Algerian judoka Fethi Nourine has withdrawn from the 2020 Tokyo Olympics in order to avoid facing an Israeli competitor. Nourine, who was set to compete in the men’s under 73kg judo competition, announced his decision on Thursday, one day before the Tokyo Olympics opening ceremony.

Lebanon's water system on brink of total collapse, says UN
Lebanon's water supply system is on the verge of total collapse, according to the United Nations Children's Fund (UNICEF), in what would mark the latest development in the eastern Mediterranean country's slide into chaos. More than 71% of the country's population – over 4 million people including 1 million refugees – are at immediate risk of losing access to safe water, UNICEF said on Friday.

Volunteers hunting for Mexico’s ‘disappeared’ become targets
The mainly female volunteers who fan out across Mexico to hunt for the bodies of murdered relatives are themselves increasingly being killed, putting to the test the government’s promise to help them in their quest for a final shred of justice: a chance to mourn.

FMLN Denounces Political Persecution in El Salvador
The right-wing regime is deploying trials for alleged acts of corruption as an "authoritarian mechanism" of social control, which is similar to what dictatorships used to silence their opponents. The purpose of this lawfare against former officials of FMLN administrations is to create diversions to hide what is happening in the country.

Slovak police unleash tear gas as anti-Covid demonstrators push into parliament in Bratislava
Demonstrators could be heard chanting “gestapo” while holding banners saying “stop corona fascism” as Covid restriction amendments proposed by the government were debated by parliament. The amendments would give people vaccinated against Covid easier access to public spaces like restaurants, cafes or mass events.

It's so hot in Dubai that the government is artificially creating rainstorms
Scientists in the United Arab Emirates are making it rain — artificially — using electrical charges from drones to manipulate the weather and force rainfall across the desert nation. Meteorological officials released video footage this week showing a downpour over Ras al Khaimah, as well as several other regions.

China floods: thousands trapped without fresh water as rain moves north
Local reports suggested the city of Xinxiang, home to 5.8 million people, had been hardest hit, with more than 260mm falling in a two-hour window. State media reported the Wei river had burst its banks and flooded villages near Hebi. Local authorities pushed at least half a dozen trucks into the breach in an attempt to block it, without success.
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In the last few weeks:

>Food prices skyrocketing

>Political standstill impedes any single party from gaining the upper hand against the others
>Gas prices keep growing, to the point that the army itself has little to no gas left
<Now power stations are starting to shut down

It seems clear as of now that the country has already collapsed economically and its headed for a political reckoning of some kind (and a violent one grows likely), so I'm making this thread for anons to follow what will happen in the coming days/weeks.

Feel free to post anything you can find on Lebanese situation here.
Also post some sources if you can.
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15 socialist countries that have succeded

Whenever someone tells you "hurr durr socialism failed" "uhh socialism sucks!!!" Send them this article and they'll immediately shut up.

This article is filled top to bottom with the most adorable and prestigious successful socialist countries

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We’re fucked

Elysium is looking less like fiction everyday. Private corporations are now conquering space and they will leave the poors behind. They’re already perfecting rockets and most likely will build private space stations that are too expensive for normal workers. If we don’t have a revolution soon the billionaires and millionaires and shareholders will leave us here to rot.
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Criticism of the left (How it's rejection of memetic power leads to missed oppurtunities.)

You reject the power of memes, and this has caused us dearly because of it, the power of memes is a force of Dionysian energy and sexual power that you cannot possibly comprehend, nobody does. That is why even on here we have a lot of right-wingers who are willing to fight us, while we turn our backs away from the world. We are simply too unable to move passed the desire to preserve our will and egos, we constrain it away from the world, hiding it like an egg with the fatasses we choose to sit ourselves on. The generations before us will be swayed to the right because we are not orgasmic enough in our memetic power, as we have denied our sex organs, not even having the will to castrate it, but rather we have lost our ability to perceive sex as a whole. The right however is filled with libidinal energy, an embrace of joyful destruction under the masks of paladins. We are the wizards who sit atop the mountains look down at the crusaders before us, but the crusaders are at our gates, our bablyon having long been destroyed by porky, the power of these paladins still felt in the memescape today.
We used to have nazbol gang memes, we have actual memetic power but why do we hide? The nazbol gang meme was a power house, a versatile tool of rage and life loving. Now we forsake life having our balls deeply entrenched in hipsterism.
Why does the right shitpost here? Because they are more energetic and that is why we will lose. Look at the power of 4chan, really look at it, it's only growing by the day. They elected a president, and soon enough they will be the new world order.
I do not believe they will win this fight, but we must be vital we must not be afraid of our sex organs.
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Is leftypol for indigenous peoples rights or is that just radlib shit? Should the socialist state give them protected land to live on or just force them to assimilate?
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The polo obrero(a leftist party in the republic of argentina)has opened a soup kitchen in a slum near my district. How do i approach them and offer to bring supplies,items,food ,etc?
will i be allowed interaction with party members if I donate a lot? will i be "asked questions"?
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Has class conflict of the late 20th and 21st centuries in the west been primarily between the petit bourgeoisie and the haute bourgeoisie? have the petit bourgeoisie essentially capitulated and been replaced with highly paid lower-level positions in institutions owned by the haute bourgeoisie?

It seems like I am increasingly hearing "get a tech job" instead of "start a business" within the same context over time. Of course, sometimes people refer to tech as an alias for startups that get bought out by big tech for big money, but I think that's not typical. I am wondering if I am completely off-base for asserting that we might be seeing a shift of wealth from the petit bourgeoisie to the college-educated high-earners of the corporate world. Would this be representative of a primary class struggle between the petit and haute bourgeoisie that has only (relatively) recently been finally decided for the haute?
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What explains the tendency for everything to become politicized these days? What I mean is the warping of issues which everyone has a stake in, such as climate change or vaccines becoming a point of conflict and tension between right and left. The right is typically the source of the headache in this respect, seemingly disagreeing with these things for no other reason than to be stubborn and recalcitrant, and certainly never having educated, informed and valid arguments for their disbelief. What explains the misinformation campaigns ? These issues are not like taxes or abortion or something else, where there are legitimate self-interested or ethical reasons to oppose it.
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Why did Kek abandon the right? Meme Analsysis

The sexual orgonic energies from 4chan have possessed a powerful daemon in the collective unconscious rivers of the Nile, the bit streams of mindsam and fucksam that pools together into bogs of memetics. The beast that we all the internet lumbers inside of the conscousness of it's users and there are many prophets and archetypes that reside in the stream that bestows wisdom and intellect to those who are bewitched by their calling call. Trump the hero archetype and ugly bastard personified is the ego id of America that is true, his animal magneticism hypnotizing those who watched over him. 4chan, the collective id instead of the ego id is the power that drove the masses towards his chubby arms. Kek desired to see the chaos of America become enraptured and yet it seems as if his power left Trump for a while, whether or not the clerics of this god of kek failed him or not is uncertain but I believe the sexual energy, the cumstain of the wired lost it's luster like pearls that no longer shine in the dark nights of our souls. The memes of the chans no longer possess the vitality that it once did, and it's reasons allude me but however I believe that one instance is that the land of chaos was overhauled by a lord known as rape ape and his goon squads, the moderation team castrating anon and leaving him in need of authority figures leaves him without sexual energy and while he pretends to have a penis, he truly does not anymore. Where have all the draw fags gone? Where is the Original Content? It is all in the dismembered member.
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Are farmers a part of the proletariat?

Like I don't mean agribusiness owners, obviously they extract wealth through merely owning land and employing farm workers among other hired hands. And I'm not talking about peasantry in unindustrialized or undeveloped countries that live through subsistence.

I mean like a farmer who owns a moderately sized amount of land (like say a couple dozen or so acres), rarely hires outside farm help and mostly relies on his or her family to work the land, making money and getting by via selling his or her harvest every year.

In Marxist class theory are such people counted among the proletariat or more among the petite bourgeoisie?
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What would happen to america if all the warehouse, fast food and retail workers became unskilled industrial labourers?
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McAffe's Dead man trigger countdown

So, supposedly McAffe had TBs of incriminating evidence of "the elites". And this is supposedly it, the website has a countdown which ends at the start of the 22nd (which also is remarkable cause that's the date in which the Cuba Bay of Pigs 2 electric boogaloo, now from Miami was gonna happen, and he was supportive of Cuba as well).
What do you think it will be? Is it gonna be something big, or is it gonna be some giant nothingburger? Is it gonna have some stuff about the Cuba situation maybe?
Here's the link to the website btw https://britbonglogpost.com/
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Nazbol Party

While I was browsing on /leftypol/
I saw an interesting sight
I saw a flag with a Hammer and a Sickle
Clad in black and red and white

I asked the user of this flag
What is your ideology?
He responded in red text
And this is what he wrote to me…

NazBol Party!
It is the gang for you and me!
NazBol Party!
To Kill the Jewish Bourgeoisie!
Throughout History
We are a Mystery
So gaze upon us and
NazBol Party!
We will win without a doubt
NazBol Party!
We're autistic so watch out!
Praise the Han race
And know your own place
Praise the NazBol Party!

I raise an eyebrow in apprehension
Were these people Socialists?
To a fellow such as I
They seemed like mere White Nationalists
I threw them off and went to a new thread
But their resolve was of spite!
Because where I went to post
They spurge out everywhere on sight

NazBol Party!
It is the gang for you and me!
NazBol Party!
To Kill the Jewish Bourgeoisie!
Throughout History
We are a Mystery
So gaze upon us and
NazBol Party!
We will win without a doubt
NazBol Party!
We're autistic so watch out
Praise the Han Race
And know your own place
Praise the NazBol Party!
NazBol Party!
Praise a man known as Pol Pot
NazBol Party!
We'll overthrow the Jewish plot
Jason Unruhe
And Tony ???
Are all NazBols like you
NazBol Party!
Robbie Rotten's one of us
NazBol Party!
Kill that fucker Sportacus!
Join us Brother!
And one another!
Join the NazBol Party!
Hey Hey
Hey Hey Hey

<I'm an unironic Nazbol
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I can't stand MSM. Literally.

Help me find quality leftist news websites! I ain't gonna read MSM no more, and I don't want to in the future. I'm tired of the neoliberal propaganda they spew to me, and by reading those leftist news sources I could deprogram myself.


t. tetra4anon, a victim of capitalism
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>This fact—that hugely important areas of proletarian struggle, e.g., the working day, are defined and limited by the state and not by the labor market—makes the honest lumpen a crucial partner to any proletarian politics. But these surplus populations, the wide swaths of honest lumpens, have only an implicit demand for greater leisure time and less work; they tend not to have explicit labor-related demands in any way that might achieve such a demand from the state. Explicit anti-work demands are absent because work itself is a rarity, and the condition of the honest lumpen is what Tiqqun calls the “needy opportunist.”2 The lumpen is forced into conditions of needy opportunism, which make the lumpen’s relation to labor completely hollowed out in terms of negotiation, bargaining, or contestation of wage rates.

>Barrow also points out that for post-Marxists such as André Gorz, these bloated surplus populations imply that the only viable path to something resembling a communist revolution can be forged within the welfare state, wherein communism would then get gradually absorbed into the state apparatus through crisis: the surplus populations’ growing need for greater and greater support for survival and basic sustenance. Because the place they occupy within the social division of labor and consumption is determined by policy rather than economics, Claus Offe similarly describes the surplus population of honest lumpens as “policy-takers.” Gorz adds that they have “no transcendent unity or mission, and hence no overall conception of history and society,” and that their disconnection from labor renders the very contours of postindustrial socialism into libertarianism. The honest lumpen thus makes socialism libertarian and policy-focused.

So does this explain why UBI, state reformism, anarchism and idpol are so consistently popular within working-class populations, instead of old-school labor organizing? That much of the working class is precarious "honest lumpen" who don't fully participate in the labor market, and thus more easily identify with social identity groups than class, and with policy reforms through the state rather than unions bargaining with private industry?
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The irony presented in this photo and complete utter lack of self awareness by the people in the photo just kills me.

Truly a magical work of art lol.
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Mexico is first world and a south american superpower

>mexico city is first world
>highly industrialized with active large and well trained military
>above 100 million citizens and still growing consistently every year
>currently taking over the united states
>south americans and ordinary americans come to this place seeking a good life
>modernized and advanced
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who has the graph about identity politics being on the rise coincidentally with occupy wall street and anti-establishment politics going on the decline
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What are your thoughts on this leftypol?                                
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Midwit meme is dumb (redux)

Consider this post on "midwits":

>but for sure there's a sort of educated-idiot or overhyped-man-baby syndrome that these people fall into where they are given positions of power and are considered to be people who should know things (like basically all politicians, and many doctors and therapists, basically all professionals who know just enough to do their jobs but dont take it further and think for themselves, or are given purview over a wider area than their real knowledge should apply to by even less knowledgeable people, mostly politicians here) or just consider themselves to be thing-knowers because they're autistic and it strokes their ego, idk whatever

The flip side of that is the conspirasoid schizo who says all the experts are wrong because they hyperfocus autistically on some little inconsistency or detail or small anomaly which for the expert to explain why it isn't correct would take months of instruction in the background data or years, the problem is on the internet people think they're experts by googling shit and what they're interpreting as "midwittery" is actually an educated person who's too exasperated to spend hours of their time hand holding a schizoid through all the actual arguments on evidence for the 99999th time so they just dismiss them. not that the schizoid even wants that because their eyes would glaze over if they had to sit through that anyway. So when the educated person dismisses them they say "SEE, I knew it!".

Years of education actually give in addition to formal knowledge a sort of tacit knowledge which is useful in dealing with ideas and arguments and research has shown university education makes people less prone to believing conspiracy theories. Educated people are more humble about the limits of their knowledge because they actually are more aware of the extent of total knowledge out there and the amount of work actually needed to learn and internalize it and therefore respect experts more. OTOH people with less education can often be pretty arrogant and run roughshod over expertise and scientific consensus because they don't respect or value education and knowledge. Which is what leads to them thinking the gap between what they know and an expert knows is something that can be corrected with a few days of googling.

This is why the midwit meme is dumb, it attacks whats actually pretty good advice (getting data and sources for shit) in favor of some gut instinct bullshit. 99% of people other than those who are legitimately on the cutting edge of new knowledge would be best served to actually read shit, and rejecting that in favor of making up your own bullshit is in my experience largely intellectual laziness to learn shit like science. It's flat earther mentality but applied to everything.

It's this sort of arrogance that leads a dropout starcraft gamer to debate a harvard educated economist like he's dumb and think that he actually looks good or convincing. The real midwits are the ""Sargons"" of this world, not a random doctor.
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I have difficulty picturing communism, help me out

I'm not a total leftist noob. I like to think I understand some of the ABCs: Socialism follows the destruction of the previous state replaced with a new state wherein workers are the dominant political group and when production is under the control of workers (either through nationalization from a worker's government or the control of various unions, syndicates, or other worker organizations). Money is instead replaced with some kind of labor voucher typically based on labor hours that specifically has no investment value. Over time the socialist state develops production to a degree of abundance and efficiency that many if not all of the state mechanisms and plans become irrelevant and society transitions again into a stateless, classless, moneyless society where people work for as much as they need.

Specifically it's that last part I have difficulty understanding. I wholeheartedly support socialism, as the son of a cabinet maker and a school teacher I identify with all workers and consider nearly all capitalists as social parasites that impede efficient societies, but when I put the word "communism" into the imagination engine I just get a blank spot. The closest thing I imagine is unironically the Federation from Star Trek (old trek, not disgusting NuTrek), what am I missing here? is there something I need to read, more Marx or what?
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First I admit that I'm not read enough, I keep hearing that socialism (with a state) is just a transitional form and that the ultimate goal is full communism when the state will dissolve itself.

How is that supposed to happen? Will the society just reach some kind of religious perfection that it will make the state unnecessary? Also Stalin was right that communism could be achieved in just one country or not? Could anyone explain it to me in simple terms?

>inb4 read more Garl Margs and Lenin

I will, but my lazy ass wants a simple explanation now.
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Jannitorial background vs. poster backgroung

Just a single question, comrades:
>What is the % of our moderation team in terms of nationality
<vs. poster (IP-based) nationality?

It strikes me (hard) that like 80% of our "vol" team is anglo, while our posteriat is like at the very least 50% NOT anglo.

Interesting, innit???????
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Theres something beautiful about this image

It shows not only a complete disconnection from ones sense of reality but also what happens when an individual is so politically extreme that they lose their own sense of whatever the hell they stand for along with an unwillingness to get educated on reality. Islam(especially sunni islam) is a religion that calls for arab supremacy while nazism calls for german supremacy both ideas are fundamentally anti european and end up leading towards the destruction of non Germanic and non arab europeans as a whole simply in the name of their imperialistic motives yet the figure shown in this pic a reactionary white male is so disconnected from this simple reality that he has taken on political views that he would've been killed under, and what's even sadder is historically nazis did become muslims, modern european reactionaries show open support if not fully commit to islam despite the destruction its caused on their own homes along with nazism not necessarily because nazism and radical islam benefit europeans but simply because these political views comfort those people. Fucking poetic
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Statement by President Donald J. Trump, 45th President of the United States of America

Can anybody believe that the Cleveland Indians, a storied and cherished baseball franchise since taking the name in 1915, are changing their name to the Guardians? Such a disgrace, and I guarantee that the people who are most angry about it are the many Indians of our Country. Wouldn’t it be an honor to have a team named the Cleveland Indians, and wouldn’t it be disrespectful to rip that name and logo off of those jerseys? The people of Cleveland cannot be thrilled and I, as a FORMER baseball fan, cannot believe things such as this are happening. A small group of people, with absolutely crazy ideas and policies, is forcing these changes to destroy our culture and heritage. At some point, the people will not take it anymore!
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> "Stalin was a mass murderer!"
< "No he wasn't, he was a mass executioner, because murder implies a broken law against killing and all killings under him were absolutely legal under positive law."

Whenever some anti-commie accused us of murder, always remember murder implies law. Revolution is the negation of old law and the creation of new law. Revolutionaries that win (and only revolutionaries that win) are never murderers. They are only killers at most.

And if you believe in natural law, you believe in spooks.
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Dead cities are the best ones prove me wrong

>0 fucking mass protests riots or crime
>No ones fucking interested in interacting with each other and learn to stfu and mind their own buissness
>its actually fucking quiet for most of the day meaning you can think for yourself
>easy fucking access to easy and decent paying jobs
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Eugene Puryear -- an ML hero from the USA

Without trying to [blogpost] here, I just wanna say, that I first got introduced to PSL by reading Jodi Dean's books, and I wiki'd here up, and realized she's in a party called Party for Socialism and Liberation [PSL].

After that a few months passed and found out about RT.com's radio cast, titled sputnik.com. (Apparently the current capitalist Russian elite likes to name vaccines and radios like that – no comment, lol.)

My first impressions of "By Any Means Necessary" (the Puryear lead radio show on sputnik) was rather negative, since I thought that 1) the host was guilty of a stereotypical "black radical" attitude, best portrayed by Wonder Showzen, wherein a black hand puppet garbles regular words to sound more radical. https://thepiratebay.org/description.php?id=4668403

But then I saw him doing an speech at BLM, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1Iqr6ReUzo and holy shit, I realized that we have an actual orator amongst us.

After leaving Sputnik they set up this youtube show which is absolutely BANGERS. See their coverage of the fake shit reporting about muh uyghurs, for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tCuZu_U9rk

If any Americo-burger is reading this OP, please, for the love of God, leave your fucking DSA chapter, and join PSL, because it is LITERALLY RIDDLED with based people like our comrade Eugene Puryear. Not to be racist, or anything, but if you are a MURRICAN and black/latino/native you have NO REASON to stay in DSA. The only ACTUALLY communist party that represents your interests is the mother fucking PSL.

You might go wiggling about your fucking minutia idiocy about how DSA gets more twitter coverage or whatever, but this is the reality: the ONLY party representing actual socialist and anti-imperialist ideas is the mother fucking PSL.

Now I shilled (as a non-burger) this party before for leftypol, and I've received the following typical comebacks:
>b-b-but they are authoritarian
>b-b-b-but they take SIGNIFICANT membership dues



Join PSL right now.


t. rest of the world
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we are literally not being represented

Our janitorial team is 60-80% "anglo" (Canadian, UK, USA, AUS, etc.), while our posters are like 60% non-anglo.

How come?

Makes me THUNK really hard.
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According to the global peace index

Congo is a safer place to live in than the entirety of the united states,
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It is important that citizens of any society develop self preservational and minor trade skills in order to not just build the revolution but to be able to maintain society and their local communities when crises hit. Feel free to share information on various skills you have in this infodump thread
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Google results disappearing when it comes to communism's achievements

Yeah, so I'm not trying to push any kind of conspiracy theory, but I've noticed the following. I've been google (mostly image-) searching the same words (e.g. "USSR real wages") which used to bring up real results in the first row for like 10 years.

Now? Nope, none, maybe second page results. (If any.)

Is there an actual censorship going on? Google is literally dumbing down its search results. But is this anything new? Jimmy Dore, for example, has been complaining that his youtube subscribers keep on reporting (when the Syria shit was going on) that they get "unsubbed" even tho they hit "sub" like weeks ago.

Since both are owned by Alphabet Inc. I think there's a trend here. But please, tell me if I'm a retard. I noticed this same shit with China-related stuff as well. Like I want to search for how China's GDP/capita changed since 1900, then 5 years ago I had a graph or sg, but now it's just fucking blank.

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Is right wing populism rational

Or is it still a 'voting against your own interests' thing?
The following are things I've seen listed to argue that libs will react as harshly as conservatives to the proletariat, but could it also make liberals react harshly to the populism of the nation state and petty bourgeoisie?
If liberalism is no longer progressive, antagonisms in capitalism cause the ruling class to betray its own revolution, imperialism sort of 'buys out' democratic institutions, and capitalism annihilates its petty bourgeoisie while centralizing and making itself ready for expropriation, is right wing populism therefore a reaction not to liberal equality but accelerating bourgeois dictatorship?
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Chile Elections

Chilebros what happened? /ourguy/ Jaudes lost the primaries for the presidential election. Is Apruebo Dignidad still based or are we fucked? What can we except from this other candidate? And how is the constitutional convention coming along? Let's just hope that nobody is preparing to launch a coup again…
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Yes, we have and will coup and destroy every single commie state from venezuella to chinaland.
Yes, we killed Allenda and genocided Nicaragua, and we will never apologize.
Yes, we have and will torture terror suspects
Yes, our white billionaires will colonize the solar system and third worlders will provide the resources and labour for it.

There is no way to stop the greatest and mightiest nation earth has ever seen.
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Free Tibet

What exactly is wrong with independence and self-determination for all peoples? Why force a whole group of people to be part of a state they don't have any attachment to?
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>Haha anarchists are so dumb we need hierarchies to establish a society
>oh what humans throughout most of their history have survived through 100s If not thousands of plagues, famines, and geographical disasters while living in disorganized self sufficient tribes? Why does that matter obviously humans arent self preservational
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Hegel justifies the downfall of the Soviet Union

The real is rational and the rational is real. This is one of the basic pronciples of Hegel's philosophy. But this means, the downfall of the Soviet Union was a good thing, because the system was obviously not rational and therefore it had to vanish.

Bonus question: Doesn't Hegelianism justify imperialism? I would say "Yes". What do fellow Hegelians think?
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What the fuck is going on with Canada?

Tweet: https://twitter.com/cbcnews/status/1418586728592445445
Story: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/victims-communism-memorial-fascists-1.6112809

Imagine having massive public outcry to indigenous mass graves (https://archive.li/pWM31) then building a monument to Nazis instead of doing damage control.

Fuck kkkanada.
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>Yes, our news media is entirely owned and run by Jews
>Yes, our entertainment industry is entirely owned and run by Jews
>Yes, our largest and most powerful financial institutions are owned and run by Jews
>Yes, the richest people in the US are Jews
>Yes, the wealthiest landlords in the US are Jews
>Yes, the white house is full of Jews
>Yes, our highest judicial institution, the American Supreme Court, is half jewish
>Yes, all of our presidents and presidential candidates kneel to the AIPAC
>Yes, all of our most prestigious universities are filled to the brim with semites
>Yes, our most respected university professors are Jewish.
>Yes, all of our social movements have been spearheaded by Jewish intellectuals
>Yes, our religion is Jewish
>Yes, most Americans consider Jews to be the Chosen People
>Yes, our foreign policy is entirely dedicated towards defending Israel and helping it expands

BUT! haha! Not so fast!
>Look at this 60-year-old picture of Mao posing with American Jews working in American finance in order to make money for American corporations in China. Look I colored them blue so you can REALLY see them!
>Also look at this one jew, really look at him. He is jewish, look. He is being jewish… in 1960's China! Look.
>Now look at this Wikipedia page. Notice something? He's Jewish AND he lived in China. He was a doctor and I'm sure he jewishly removed bullets from wounded soldiers in a very Jewish manner. He obviously controlled the Party. That's one more!
>Look at this picture of Xi shaking hand with Netanyahu. Look they're smiling. He owns him. No, not Xi, the Jew. The Jew owns Xi, look. Look, it's obvious. Look at the angle their hands make. That's Jewish magic (or some say Majick). Why else would world leaders shake hands or engage in trade?

See? Both sides are just as zogged and part of a grand 1000-year-old zionist master plan so you might as well just give up and defend OUR status quo, fellow angl- … White freedom-loving right-winger!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVNjgLLQnSg&t what are your thoughts on this video? It's a response to Hakim's ECP video. How would you respond to it's points and arguments? It seems the Economic Calculation Problem holds true.
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transhumanists make up .6% of the American population and Zoomers are 11% LGBT with only 2% of them identifying as trans. That's EVEN LESS transhumanists than there were for the older generation. Why do we get spammed with so much anti transhumanist shit here? Because it's edgy to do so?
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How do you stop being xenophobic

I've come to realize that I generally dislike everyone and seek isolation away from urbanized regions because of population densities and this has resulted in alot of people distancing themselves from me.
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Why do people still deny the holocaust?

Nazis literally kept records of fucking everything that went on in those camps, it was already documented that nazis had deliberately made propaganda films of those camps portraying them as resorts for jews to hide what was actually going on in their, starvation and rampant illness was one of the leading causes of death next to gas chambers in those camps especially late in the war when the nazis were running low on funds. Yes 6 million did fucking die in their along with another 9 million non jews comprising of soviet and north western european prisoners and gypsies, you have to be a complete spergeloard schizo to miss this
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Slander just makes us stronger

I don't give a fuck about the actual truth or falsehood of Courtois' Black Book 100 million accusation. Morality is not my concern. My concern is soft power and as far as I'm concerned the 100 million figure makes us stronger. I embrace it ironically. The later 21st century will be brutal and gruesome and billions are going to die or will have to die. A 100 million is a drop in the bucket. Furthermore, if a state can kill so many millions or so and still flourish it speaks to the absolute power of the theory. And as for Blokhins' Katyn involvement it would just speak to the grit and determination he had in bringing peace to Eastern Europe by eradicating the Polish officer class. Hell, one of the main attractions of Marxism-Leninism for me is that slander. The population of the US is 331 million and each and every American effectively is equally guilty in American inaction or action alike in imperialism. I need a theory that can let me organise their physical destruction, each and every one of them. And if the slander is that ML has killed 100 million and I ironically believe in it, I can organise to kill 331 million Americans.

The 100 million slander is one that strengthens me, speaking to the imagined power of Marxism-Leninism by the book and that is all that matters. There is no need to refute it.KILL KILL KILL
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Whats up with the assination attempts

First haiti then Madagascar, Burundi, Tanzania, and now Mali
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what has been your experience with IRL leftist organisations? Do you think it's worth joining one?
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So whats the consensus on covid and vaccines?

Me personally originally I thought it was a possible Chinese or american bio weapon then after a few months I noticed no real world evidence with my own eyes this shit was a threat till this day never met a single person with it or anyone who knows anyone with it and I ask all the time. Stopped caring about covid 6 months in and don't follow lockdown order or take any precautions also didn't take vaccine because of bad experiences with flu shots. What about you guys?
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Anyone willing to drop a red pill on the Naboo Crisis, the Clone War, the imperialist policy of the Galactic Republic, and the how/why regarding Emperor Sheev Palpatine’s rise to power and the political economy of his Galactic Empire?
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News 7/22/21

Cyberpunk 20**? Researchers warn of ‘bleak’ future with companies owning private thoughts & world divided between cyborg and human
In a new study published in the APL Bioengineering journal, researchers from the university reviewed the state of BCI research. They raised red flags about the potential commercial exploitation of our innermost thoughts and feelings and warned of a world divided along the lines of access to BCI tech.

Biden to sanction Cuban officials following attacks on protesters
A second person familiar with the administration's plans said the sanctions are part of a series of moves the president will outline on Cuba policy. Other steps include working to expand Cubans’ access to the Internet and assembling an international coalition to condemn the Cuban government’s crackdown on the protestors.

Prison Riots Leave 18 Inmates Dead in Ecuador
The riot in the Guayaquil prison left eight inmates dead and three members of the police injured. In Latacunga prison, the riot left ten inmates dead, 35 prisoners injured, six police officers injured, and damage to the administrative areas of the prison complex.

NPA Engage AFP Forces In 5 Back-To-Back Encounters On Negros Island
Armando Sumayang Jr. Command of the New People’s Army (ASJC-NPA) Southwest Negros Front spokesperson Ka Andrea Guerrero confirmed that a unit under the ASJC was in five back-to-back encounters against elements of the 15th Infantry Battalion (IB) under the 302nd Infantry Brigade last July 20, 2021.

China floods: Good Samaritans show flood-hit Zhengzhou residents kindness
Business owners and residents in the city of Zhengzhou which has been hit by severe flooding have given a helping hand to those affected by the natural disaster in the past couple of days. The extreme weather in Zhengzhou and neighbouring areas has left at least 33 people dead and eight are missing, including 12 killed when a subway flooded, according to figures from the Henan provincial government.

Hong Kong police arrest 5 trade union members for sedition
The association published three children’s books that Li Kwai-wah, a senior superintendent of the national security department, said have seditious intent. The books feature stories that revolve around a village of sheep that has to deal with wolves from a different village. The sheep take action like going on strike or escaping by boat, according to the synopses published on the association’s website.

Journalists could face up to 14 years in prison for stories embarrassing the Government under proposed changes to the Official Secrets Act that would treat them like foreign SPIES
Journalists could face prison sentences of up to 14 years for stories that embarrass the Government under plans to reform the Official Secrets Act. Under a consultation run by Priti Patel's Home Office, which closes later this week, reporters who handle leaked documents would not have a defence if charged under new laws designed to clamp down on foreign agents.

‘Years of inaction’: Rights groups file class-action lawsuit against French police over alleged racial profiling
A group of six major NGOs, including Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International, has launched a massive class-action lawsuit against the French police, accusing the force of practicing “discriminatory identity checks.”
The 450-page lawsuit was filed on Thursday by the group of international and French rights groups with the Council of State, the highest administrative court in France.

Russia in Talks to Help Tajikistan Build Afghan Border Outpost
Deputy Foreign Minister Andrei Rudenko told the state-run RIA Novosti news agency that the terrorist group controls almost all of the Tajik-Afghan border and warned of al-Qaeda and the Islamic State strengthening their positions there.

Gold toilet found in Russian police bribery probe
Traffic police allegedly took bribes for issuing fake permits to businesses, enabling drivers to pass through checkpoints with unauthorised cargoes of grain and materials. Alexei Safonov, head of traffic police in the southern Stavropol region, was arrested with six others following the raid by the Investigative Committee (SK).
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What is the origin of social classes?

Socialists and communists claim to want to abolish class, but I must ask this question: how did class originate? It seems that it may have had something to do with the advent of agriculture, but I have also heard that some hunter-gather classes had distinct social classes. At any rate, knowing how social stratification arose in the first place seems important if you want to 1) figure out how or if a complex society could function without social classes and/or 2) figure out how to prevent social classes from arising again in the future.
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I warned you about technological advancement bro I told you dog

There's a point where you must destroy conscious life on earth to spare them from the hell they'll unleash on themselves. Humanity is a cancer and needs to be mercy-killed so that it doesn't hurt itself anymore.
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Your Top 5 Influences II: Return of the Sauces

So /leftypol/, what are your personal Top 5 texts, lectures, videos, or books that really struck a chord with you or in some way influenced your thinking?
>bonus kudos for links, .pdfs, etc.
>xposting welcome

Hopefully the peeps who contributed to the last thread are still lurking and contribute again, because I didn't get a chance to save all the recommendation last time and it >>332596 died
So much insightful and personal content, gone ;_;7
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Why is eugenics bad? I have a relatively minor genetic disease I inherited from my father and it sucks. I saw my dad suffering it as i grew up, getting dizzy and having to lie down. I didn't have it at first but now that im older i ended up getting the same shit, i feel dizzy all the time and tired as fuck.

Yes I know eugenics has a bad rep due to nazism and scientific racism. And there's arguably capitalist eugenics as well, preserving the life and health of the rich at the expense of the working class. But if there was a rational social order, eugenics based on actual science and genetics rather than race or class, why would it be bad?

Why would a person who has a chance to pass on genetic disorders, or a serious transmissible disease (eg. HIV) do that? You're condemning an innocent child to a life of suffering.

Is it really wrong to say its a bad idea for people not to pass this on? I only have a minor condition I can only imagine what its like for people with severe conditions
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clearly there is a war on the horizon. do you think the target is a foreign nation or is this going to be a war on citizens led by the feds to officially implement their dreams of fascio-communism?
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How to turn your friends communist

Are you friends already communist? Do you refuse to talk to libs? How would you engage with old friends that have started down the alt-light path? What do you do with apolitical people who think its all bullshit or people who are really into being outraged about muh freedom?
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Why do poltards simultaneously call for the extermination of jews, gays, etc. for being cucked emotional libtards, but then turn around and beg for sympathy on their toxic shithole?
I just don't get it, how does one browse this shithole and then turn around and ask for emotional validation from it.
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It seems there are widespread riots and looting in South Africa right now, and, despite there not being still any semblance of an happening there is some opportunity for very good kino stuff, so i'm posting this to post here whatever i can find.
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Why does this book make right-wingers seethe so much?

What's so dangerous about it that it and the author have become the subject of conspiracy theories from the right, in the same way the Frankfurt School, Saul Alinsky, and Planned Parenthood have?

What was so "evil" about the CPUSA in the early 1930s?
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John Bolton 2024!

I can get behind this. I'm sick of trump!

John Bolton is a true American patriot who fights for the people worldwide, is honest and will lead America to greatness again!

Can he count on your vote?

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Follow up to the recent muslim thread


how does one purge salafism out of the muslim world completely? salafists are religious zealots whose ideas are actively contributing to the destabilization of the muslim world, perpetuate negative stereotypes about all muslims worldwide, along with the destabilization of neighbors of islamic states, it costs the world trillions that could've been spent on improving the material conditions of the poor worldwide simply to combat this absolutely pest of a division of sunni islam
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How come most of the oldest americans are black women?
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stop using the midwit meme

The midwit meme is fucking retarded and so is anyone using it. It's literally just the /pol/ version of the PMC meme. The vast majority of white collar professionals are "midwits" with the exception of some top scientists, mathematicians, etc. who may be somewhat above that.

Midwit as a meme was created by the far right writer vox day, and refers to people of average to above average (but not genius level) intelligence. I'm sure you've seen the bell curve memes like picrel showing a dumb guy agreeing with an intellectual on the idea that reason and evidence are epistemically unsound. The problem is that the intellectuals they quote are usually out of context or fucking Nietzsche, revealing them to basically be at the level of an arrogant sophomore philosophy major.

Every conservative ideologue in history, from Nietzsche, to Burke, to Jordan Peterson, to Charles Murray, to Ayn Rand have the exact same take: Hierarchy and inequality natural and the purpose of society is to uplift the few great men who will actually make society great.

All this bullshit about "high iq" people disregarding empirical evidence, reason, or research in favor of gut instinct is just idealist nonsense designed to obfuscate their preference for an unthinking acceptance of tradition and hierarchy.

The progressive forces of history have always used reason to critique and interrogate the existing hierarchical order of things. By the midwit meme, thinkers like Locke, Rousseau, Spinoza, and Adam Smith would have been considered "midwits" for questioning the privileges of the aristocracy or the divine right of kings.

An attack on reason is an attack on the tools of self emancipation as fascism and reaction have always thrived on mysticism and irrationality.
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" Anti-Communist Proletariat"

Why the fuck that faggotry exist? I can't take it anymore!?
İf fucking proletariat used to have a brain, we would have already live under socialism, but today if you even defend yourself slightly against elites; they will attack you, isolate you and humiliate* you like you are a fucking loser. Because being a chad-winner means taking a deepthroat to your masters while being loser means opposing the establishment. Oh yes, opposing the establishment is establishment, being true anti-establishment means taking deepthroat to establishment
Why fucking masses love their masters, wants to be facefucked by them and attacks anyone who doesn't want that ??
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About imperialism

Reading stuff:

So people here keep telling me to resist imperialism, which eventually means to side with capitalist assholes because they are attacked by the US. Those folks naturally define imperialism as this: hostile united states foreign policy.

But imperialism isn't that, or just that. Marx and Engels used the term to describe intrinsically conquering nations. Then Lenin went in and talked about how finance capital took over all the other aspects of capital and changed state politics so war would be the necessary conclusion of national bourgeois concurrence. He was right.

In the end Lenin made imperialism about how richer countries are exploiting poorer countries but he expressed this concept with a different; an enhanced meaning that would reflect a certain stage of capitalism.

Now to my final point: Lenin could reach power because of a plot from an imperialist nation who triggered the first world war in order to get a share of the colonial pie. He was transported in a train, protected by the army, given money and resources to do his stuff.

Sometimes I can't but wonder when I see some here try to dogmatically shut down the few who dare criticizing countries which happen to be in the way of the US as glowies. So what the fuck is wrong with you?
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Xi has failed his people and is letting his country drown under the sea.

This is truly sad to watch to see they had such high aspirations. Now thousands possibly millions are going to die under their poor infrastructure and lack of care for the lower class by Chinese elites

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If I am a short, ugly, mildly deformed genetic piece of shit incel, what does socialism have to offer me? Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of a classless society, the liquidation of the commodity form, shorter work weeks and better work conditions, but if at the end of the day I'm still gonna remain a genetic dead end virgin, why should I bother? Why shouldn't I just kill myself if I'll still be dumb and ugly under a communist society?
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NFL STAR stands against the vax!!

Top NFL Wide Receiver Deandre Hopkins takes a stand against NFL vaccine policy.

Top NFL wide receiver DeAndre Hopkins takes a stand against NFL vaccine policy
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What is the socialist or planned economists response to how to deal with foreign trade?
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Paranormal activities

What non political conspiracies/paranormal stuff does leftypol believe in? Are any of you UFOfags? What exactly is it in human psychology that wants to believe in bigfoot, etc. and other such things where people are willing to believe in paranormal phenomenon? And if such a thing is built into human psychology can the vast majority of people ever escape an idealist mode of thought?
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What is the marxist analysis on age of consent?

I can't imagine that Karl Marx would look at this photograph and say wow this absolutely disgusting and no adult should even consider her remotely attractive!

What have you read from Marxist literature on age of consent?
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Thoughts about vaccine?

Guess there aren't any vaccine threads yet as of now. So what do y'all think about vaccines? Do you oppose it like /pol/'ers or support it like what's expected from the left wing?
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How do people view governments these days?

Seriously does anyone at this point trust or believe the government should influence their lives at this point
>the chinese flee to the west in the millions to avoid their own government
>brazil britain and France, actually pretty much the entirety of europe have stayed corrupt economically stagnating or declining into actual shitholes for decades now due to years of government incompetency
>not a single government in africa or south america is trusted in the slightest due to foreign installed dictators or generally diverting taxes away from actually helping civilians
It's always the same repetition, do they work, do people really need governments to exist? What does the general worldwide opinion have to say about governments
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Why are Atheists and secularists such pussies?

How come there is practically no anti-religious militancy in history? Like uprisings/revolutions/Terrorism or even individual attacks. When there was almost an endless amount of the same done by religious fundamentalists and the devout?

I mean with all the horrific and sadistic shit religious zealots and governments did to nonbelievers/women/others and all the control and domination they have had over people in history there is surprisingly little (almost none) pushback against this by secularists and atheists.(torture, murder, inquisition, pogroms, supression of freedoms, thought policing, mutilation, public hangings, public floggings, witch trials, forced conversions, support for slavery, support for fascism, sexual abuse of children, emotional abuse and indoctrination in schools…. to name a few)

And when there was, it was always a part of some other bigger movement and done as a sort of side policy and few people other than the most hardcore leading revolutionaries even cared about it. Even in places where Fundamentalists hijacked a revolution and imposed their rule on an entire country in Iran, resistance was confined to a small group of iraqi backed cultists hated by pretty much everyone else.

I mean, we constantly hear about people being radicalized into fundamentalism by rampant secularism but never the other way around even when there are perfect contradictions for it to happen. And most atheists I have talked to always seem to have a live and let live attitude and are bizarrely obsessed with being civil and polite in the face of opression. They seem to be bigger forgivers than Christians and balk at the idea of opposing it with anything other than a pen and paper and "muh critical thinking". Not even the most hardcorr state atheist regimes in history seem to be even NEARLY as brutal to believers as they were to nonbelievers. They never punished them for practicing their religions in private.

I'm not trying to be a fedoralord here, but I have a hard time understanding this. Is this some kind of extreme Stockholm syndrome, or what is it? I'm a theorylet and historylet but those things just don't make sense to me. Please explain.

I was raised in a generally religious country but never really fully bought into religion even as a kid. Christcom and Islamcom, please refrain from shitflinging and just quote me with a soyjak and move on.
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Psychedelics General

GQ:Are there political or social ills that that you think might benefit from the sort of entropy that psychedelics can introduce into our consciousness?

Pollan:I do and I don't. I do in the sense that the experience addresses what I see as two of the biggest problems we face as a society. One is an environmental crisis, born of our sense of distance from nature: our willingness to objectify nature and see it merely as a resource. The other is tribalism: our inability to see the other as like us, and the egotistical zero-sum game with other people, whether it's other countries, other races, other religions.

Along comes these medicines that actually change consciousness in those two domains, very specifically, by making us feel really connected to nature, that we sense the subjectivity of other species. Which should lead to treating them with more respect and care, and feeling a deep implication that you're part of nature, not just a spectator. And then, on the tribalism side, [it] makes you feel deeply connected to all different kinds of other people. So you could argue that this is exactly the drug we need right now.

But then you need to stand back and say, “Wait, is it possible to prescribe a drug for an entire country?” How many people do you have to give this experience before you change the culture? And that was something Timothy Leary spent a lot of time on, he had these predictions of how many people he'd have to trip before the world changed. There's no model for prescribing treatment to a culture. That takes you into a really terra incognita of social change. I think, for that stuff, we still need politics.

Is he right? Will Psychedelics help with archieving the lower stages of communism, or are they to advanced, so that only in a well developed democratic dictatorship of the proletariat they can help transition further into full gay luxury psychedelic space communism?
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Climate Change General - /climate/

The planet continues to warm and create devastating shifts to the ecosystems across the world.

I've been noticing that each year that goes by without a united approach. The seasons of the year get more and more out of tune to the usual range of expectations.

Donors Trust: The shadow operation that has laundered $146 million in climate-denial funding - https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/wp-content/uploads/legacy/Global/usa/planet3/PDFs/DonorsTrust.pdf

Anarchist Libraby query on climate change - https://theanarchistlibrary.org/search?query=climate%20change&sort=&filter_topic=%2Fcategory%2Ftopic%2Fecology&filter_topic=%2Fcategory%2Ftopic%2Fgreen-anarchism&filter_topic=%2Fcategory%2Ftopic%2Fgreen&filter_topic=%2Fcategory%2Ftopic%2Fenvironment

Europe's climate denial funding - https://corporateeurope.org/en/2010/12/funding-climate-change-denial.

Current Hot Topics:
Enbridge Line 3 pipeline protests

Miami Condo Collaspe could be climate change related: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jun/29/miami-condo-collapse-questions-climate-change

(Will add more later.)
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Luxembourg’s Prime Minister dying

>Prime Minister Xavier Bettel of Luxembourg, who is suffering from Covid-19 symptoms, was in “serious but stable” condition on Tuesday at a hospital, his press secretary in Luxembourg said. The prime minister had low oxygen levels in his blood, an acute concern for people with Covid-19.

happening? this guy might die?
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Good books not written by communists

Currently reading four books from DK (the encyclopedia publishers), those being Definitive Visual History to the American Civil War, the First World War, the Second World War, and the Vietnam War
Got any suggestions from non-anarchists and non-communists?
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Is there an explanation why predominantly urbanites seem to have an obsession with their appearance so much that they base and base other peoples entire personalities off how they dress and what they look like?
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Please i just want a non islamophobic answer that makes sense

Why the flying fuck are there so many muslims on this planet that view terrorism as okay? I can make a fucking list of terrorists groups from islam alone and I still think I wouldn't have hit them all
>fulani herdesmen
>boko haram
>the taliban
>al Qaeda
>al shabaab
What the hell makes people join these fucking cults, terrorism isnt a fucking video game holy fuck
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Market Socialism

If workers coops are a necessary step in socialism why can't they raise capital with NON VOTING SHARES? Shareholders could buy and sell but not vote on any decisions unlike the workers. that way they can raise money but not have to listen to porkies
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Would There Be A War ?

So, i'm hearing that some anons claiming that before RoP hitting zero, they will do a war and save capital
But how much is that true? Will masses really accept war at this age? Aren't wars cost too much today ? Aren't declining birthrates threats the potential soldier numbers? Aren't global-economy connected to each other to point that, any global-war crush the world to irreversible point? Aren't nuclear-nukes makes everyone afraid?
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How do Westoids cope with living in such a sociopathic society?

Was reading retards in /r/Atheism debating “communism”, one of the turds was discussing “freedom” and when the socialist pointed out that freedom from (some) arbitrary laws while still being allowed to starve on the street is fucking meaningless, to which the based and rational redditor argued that actually freedom doesn’t mean a right to a decent quality of life but just the garbage included in America’s warped concept of freedom and literally nothing else

My question is, how do westoid’s cope with such a sociopathic way of approaching the value of human life, freedom, etc.? Freedom for westerner’s is literally immaterial shit and excludes means to actually survive, why are these people like this?
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I'm a NEET on NEETbux, I'm honestly not very political but I would like to know /leftypol/ opinion about NEET's (and lumpenproletariat in general)

I feel good knowing that I don't have to work to serve porky interests.
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Govt-led censorship: Is the U.S. lurching toward fascism?

Given recent announcements that the Biden administration will take active efforts to censor info on social media, and the not-so-recent precedents set by social media bannings over the last half decade, is it alarmist or reasonable to say that the US ruling class is beginning to resort to authoritarian methods?

Biden Press Sec.: "We've increased disinformation research and tracking… We're flagging problematic posts for Facebook that spread disinformation." https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1415728046930268160

The Press Sec. again: "You shouldn't be banned from one platform and not others." https://twitter.com/townhallcom/status/1416089821056012289

Biden says platforms like Facebook are 'killing people' with Covid misinformation https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/16/politics/biden-facebook-covid-19/index.html
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Hijab ban

So the ECJ has just gone full mask off, it is now legal to fire workers for wearing a hijab. I wonder how this is going to end. Like surely this must be against at-least one EU country's constitution?
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>tfw you were tricked by internet memes into believing that a proletarian uprising was imminent within the imperial core
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Haitian President Jovenel Moïse assassinated

He was a corrupt, right-wing leader so RIP to this guy but what the fuck is happening in Haiti.

>Haitian President Jovenel Moïse was assassinated after a group of unidentified people attacked his private residence, the country’s interim prime minister said in a statement Wednesday. Moïse’s wife, First Lady Martine Moïse, is hospitalized, interim Premier Claude Joseph said.

>Joseph condemned what he called a “hateful, inhumane and barbaric act,” adding that Haiti’s National Police and other authorities had the situation in the Caribbean country under control. The killing late Tuesday comes amid deepening political and economic stability and a spike in gang violence.

>The Haitian Embassy in Canada, in a tweet, also confirmed Moïse was killed.


WSWS take on him:

>Biden is continuing the policy of Trump in backing the US puppet against popular opposition. Moïse’s rise to the presidency, however, was engineered under the Obama administration and, in particular, by former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and her husband, ex-President Bill Clinton, who was named UN special envoy to Haiti. They previously had pushed the 2011 presidential candidacy of Moïse’s predecessor, the carnival singer Michel “Sweet Micky” Martelly, a political ally of the right-wing death squads that were the legacy of the US-backed dictatorship of the Duvalier family, which exercised a reign of terror over the country for three decades.

>The chief attraction of both these right-wing puppets was their subservience to US imperialism and the profit interests of the clothing sweatshop, agribusiness, tourism and mining sectors extracting wealth from the impoverished country.

>Moïse’s rule has been characterized by a steadily tightening dictatorial grip over the Haitian state. He not only dissolved the country’s parliament—ruling by decree for over a year—but has also stripped the country’s local officials of their power. He has employed assassination, massacres and police state repression against his opponents. Armed gangs led by former and current police have been unleashed against neighborhoods in the capital of Port-au-Prince as well as areas of the countryside to crush opposition and intimidate workers and the oppressed rural poor.

>Popular opposition grew against the Moïse regime, fueled by his personal involvement in a corruption scheme that saw the outright theft of some $4 billion in Petrocaribe aid provided by Venezuela in the form of loans and cheap oil that was resold on the world market.

>Once oil prices collapsed and the aid dried up, Moïse demonstratively aligned himself with the Trump administration’s campaign of sanctions and military threats against Venezuela. At the same time, his government implemented draconian IMF-dictated austerity measures that drove up fuel costs, devalued the national currency and drastically deepened already intolerable levels of poverty, leading to massive protests in July 2018 demanding Moïse’s ouster.

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Why should Arabs or any colored folk support marxism?

As an Iraqi I wonder why tf should Arabs, Blacks and other colored folk support marxism over our own anti-imperialist national liberation struggles? Arabs and Blacks are two of the most horribly oppressed and discriminated peoples on Earth why should we seek internationalism and solidarity from first world white people (and most other nations) when we're not even seen as humans? I'm born from a refugee family in Europe and I plan on gathering enough financial resources once I finish college and I'm moving to Iraq or any other Arab nation and I'm gonna dedicate my life for my people and their struggle, I'm gonna spread the message of Ba'ath and plan on doing a renaissance of the philosophy, I want the Arab nation to isolate itself from a world that hate us and want us dead, from Morocco to Awhaz I want a united Arab nation who take the same approach as the DPRK towards the world, and I'm ready to die for this dream.
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Comrades, let me tell you something. The capitalist-imperialist system is our #1 enemy, but day by day the police, military and other armed wings of capitalism are moving towards fascism. They want to keep the economic system, but destroy the political system. Almost every week there is a neo-nazi conspiracy found in the police/military in Germany, UK, Italy, Finland etc. The armed wing of capitalism is full of neo-nazis in most of the "democratic" countries. They are just waiting for the "day X" when they start to act.

What I want to say is: comrades, don't ever trust the police. Anything you say will be leaked to the "higher-ups" and your info will be given to your local nazis at some point. We on the left like to think ourselves more moral than the right wingers. That's not even the half of it. The armed fascist right wing has NO MORALS at all. They support rape, they support killing children, they are basically animals. And this is what we are up against.

In the EU it is hard to obtain legal weapons (unless you are a pig or a hunter like most of the fascos). I say: buy weapons if you can (for example cross-bows are good and powerful and legal to buy without any licence). Be sure that you are able to defend yourself. The fascists have no morals. They will do anything, they will rape you mom and fuck your sister if that's good for their terror campaign.
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We are in the 21st century, anon. Who are the "Fabians" shilling for class collaboration today? Who are the "Bakuninists" of our society? Who are the "demsocs/socdems" ready to support war? Who are the anti-revolutionary cucks who threaten our communist rule when established?
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I found a rather interesting pamphlet recently, and couldn't resist taking some pictures of it. Apologies that it's likely pretty hard to read, but you rarely come across right-wing propaganda in physical form, and I'm not a photographer by trade.

Nevertheless, I think this journey will be rather interesting.

Here's the first page. It's titled "END CCP". It has a link, and it begs you to sign a petition to end the communist party of China. On the cover is a black and white image of a solemn girl in a face mask. Behind her the wall says "May the Chinese Communist Party fall", and under that "free Hong Kong"

Real inspiring stuff.
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News 7/21/21

Brazilian party began campaign to end blockade on Cuba
He revealed that 'our militants also record dozens of videos and broadcast on different platforms on Internet to show support for the Cuban Revolution and denounce Washington's attacks'. According to Vasco, 'the blockade is the coward weapon that imperialism found to try to subdue the Cuban Revolution'.

Fifty people linked to Mexico’s president among potential targets of NSO clients
At least 50 people linked to Mexico’s president, Andrés Manuel López Obrador – including his wife, children, aides and doctor – were included in a leaked list of numbers selected by government clients of the Israeli spyware company NSO Group before his election.

Maduro ally makes rare appearance at Venezuela business group assembly
Venezuelan business chamber Fedecamaras on Tuesday received Vice President Delcy Rodriguez for the opening of its annual assembly, a sign of easing tensions between business leaders and the socialist government following decades of bitter rivalry.

Guerrillas push Turkish troops back in Avaşîn
The HPG Press Centre has released a statement on the latest attacks by the invading Turkish army and the actions carried out by guerrillas of the People's Defense Forces (HPG) and Free Women's Troops (YJA Star) in southern Kurdistan (northern Iraq).

Israeli Military Chief Vows 'Overt and Covert' Response to Lebanon Rocket Fire
Hours before the rockets were fired from Lebanon, five people were killed in overnight airstrikes in Syria, allegedly carried out by Israel, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said Tuesday. The attack reportedly occurred just before midnight on Monday in the Al-Safirah area on the southern foothills of Aleppo.

Indian parliament erupts in protest over government's use of military-grade spying equipment
INDIA’S Parliament has erupted in protests as opposition MPs accused the government of using military-grade spyware equipment to monitor Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s political opponents, journalists and activists. The session on Tuesday was disrupted repeatedly as parliamentarians shouted slogans against the government and demanded an investigation into how the spyware, Pegasus, was used in India.

Transwoman Activist First To Contest Kerala Election, Found Dead
According to The Indian Express, Alex withdrew her nomination a day before the polling after being allegedly mentally tortured and receiving death threats from leaders of her own party which nominated her. … “The DSJP leaders forced me to speak poorly of UDF candidate PK Kunhalikutty and to criticise the LDF government,” Alex said.

Socialists vow to beat war on Labour’s left
LABOUR’S left protested against the death of democracy in the party today ahead of a decision on whether to purge left-wing groups. Hundreds of suspended party members picketed Labour’s central London headquarters alleging unfair expulsions, attacks on free speech and rigged internal elections.

Migrant Workers Halt Two-Month Hunger Strike in Belgium
Hundreds of undocumented workers, mainly from Morocco and Algeria, on Wednesday suspended a two-month hunger strike to demand Belgian authorities let them remain in the country. The strikers had been camped out for weeks at several locations in Brussels, including in a church and a university canteen, after months of talks with immigration authorities broke down.

Canada’s BC declares state of emergency as wildfires surge
The Canadian province of British Columbia (BC) has declared a state of emergency amid a surge in wildfires that have forced hundreds of people from their homes and could worsen in the coming days. According to a provincial wildfire tracker, 299 blazes were actively burning across BC on Tuesday afternoon, including 18 that were sparked during the previous two days.
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Porky Dick sucking

Why do so many proletarians admire the rich and direct their anger at experts, white collar workers, racial and religious outsiders, and literally anyone but porkoids?

Why do so many proles love the rich so much? And what can be done about this false consciousness?
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/Internet Trash General/

Please use this general thread for discussion of Youtube, Twitter, and other social media postings which don't justify their own thread. Try to keep this thread clean of spam and shitposting, it's everyone's responsibility to keep /leftypol/ and /ITG/ beautiful!
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Sapir–Whorf hypothesis

The hypothesis of linguistic relativity, also known as the Sapir–Whorf hypothesis, the Whorf hypothesis, or Whorfianism, is a principle suggesting that the structure of a language affects its speakers' worldview or cognition, and thus people's perceptions are relative to their spoken language.

Is radlib word policing based on the SWH and how scientific is it? is it idealist?
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colonialism and Post colonialism

Can you explain me why some "comrades" have an understanding of colonialism that has more to do with Gnosticism than Materialism?
Why colonialism has become the original sin ?
I often here even smart fellows end up in the rabbit hole with some spooky shit on "muh ancestors" "muh white people" "muh post colonial identity".
Why is colonialism worse than say slaves societies which non european countries had?
Every system (feudal, clan, slave ecc.) Has been imposed through conquering, war, competition, capitalism did the same. Colonialism is a consequence of capitalism.
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What's the deal with reactionary "communists"

What's the deal with reactionary "communists"
Mandatory reading before answering
(It's old and inaccurate in some ways but dude who wrote that invented the "marxism" term so pay attention.)

I'm talking about people defending family, monogamy and this whole load of shit.

So what now, we're supposed to uphold a capitalist social construction because some state crushed by imperialism said so? Doesn't sound communist to my ears tbh.

Weird pic because it's late and I don't care anymore.
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Has terrorism ever been sucessfully usef to destabilize a country? I have heard of hundreds of groups like this from the 60s to the 90s from all sides of the political spectrum, but they never seem to have gotten anywhere. Is there an example of this strategi unsuccessfully sparking a revolt/uprising or is it just revolutionary idealism? I know it's useless in a neoliberal society, but what about an authoritarian dictatorship with a history of abuse? Is this counter productive and has it ever done anything other than delegitimize a cause and get people killed/tortured/imprisoned end legitimize thw regime's repression?
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Describing the phenomenon of false consciousness

False consciousness is generated by the capitalist mode of production which requires as a condition for its functioning the reification of its economic categories. This reification is done by individuals that operate within the capitalist mode of production as members of classes, groups of people that relate to each other socially based on their roles in capitalist production. Class consciousness develops from self-consciousness as individuals identify their material interests as proletarians or capitalists. An individual, as a member of a social class, can be said to harbor a false consciousness when their material interests are obscured by ideology. False consciousness prevents the individual's self-consciousness from developing into class consciousness, a process which on a mass scale prevents the formation of a conscious social class.

The development of false consciousness stifles the struggles between classes, which occur due to the conflicting objective interests of each social class. By preventing the consciousness of the proletariat from interfering with the fulfillment of the material interests of the bourgeoisie, false consciousness directly protects the well-being of a particular social class, the capitalist class. Class-conscious proletarians aware of false consciousness and of their own material interests should consider the abolition of false consciousness a necessary political action for the complete fulfillment of their interests - a necessary action in the process of becoming the dominant class in society.

So far, the concept of false consciousness has been limited in that it has explained only the intelligible social relations of production. Those intelligible relations still structure our thinking, but mass consciousness from the 19th century until today has do-cohered and metamorphosed to the point that it is no longer possible to describe the content of false consciousness using those categories. To explain the source and content of false consciousness, it isn't sufficient to point to the fetishism of commodities, the capitalist phenomenon of interpreting social relations as relations between things, because the false consciousness generated in capitalism is no longer constricted to the domain of production, it has dominated all other aspects of self-consciousness. The traditional Marxist explanation presented, which focuses on commodity production and all of its associated social relations, does not explain false consciousness with respect to the other elements of self-consciousness.

This Marxist sketch of false consciousness does not even attempt a complete explanation, since for the Marxist the ideological structure of every mode of production is the determining effect on all other sources of ideology operating under that mode of production, making it the only object that needs to be explained in order to describe false consciousness. Whether this belief is true is irrelevant for describing false consciousness today, because it cannot be explained in the intelligible categories of capitalist production that the Marxist explanation requires. As stated previously, anyone who is class conscious should be attempting to destroy false consciousness, but the question is: how can we get rid of it if we can hardly describe it?
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I came here to make all of you a question.
Who of you is the most communistier? Explain why your more communist than the other posters of /leftypol/.
I just wanted to ask that, discuss.
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Are reparations based and should leftist support it?
I know some leftypolack here opposed but i wanna know why would you.
To who should go reparations? Only africans?
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Stupidpol is currently doing a donation campaign to a charity that sends syringes to Cuba to help them fight COVID-19 infections.
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News 7/20/21

Police Motor Pool Firebombed by Dutch Anarchist Group, Revolutionary Resistance
Militant anarchists in the Netherlands have claimed the July 15th attack targeting a police motor pool with an improvised incendiary device/explosive device (IID/IED) in the small Dutch town of Gemert. The detonation of the device and the ensuing conflagration destroyed at least one police squad car and seriously damaged two others. The burning vehicles were discovered around 4 a.m. and extinguished.

Kurdish forces claim to have killed nine Turkish invading soldiers as battle rages in Iraqi Kurdistan
KURDISH guerillas claimed on Sunday night to have killed nine Turkish soldiers in raids in the Avashin mountains of Iraqi Kurdistan as fierce fighting continues. According to Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) sources, two military camps and a rocket launcher were destroyed in last Friday’s operation.

Duque isolated as many in Colombia go on strike again
Colombia’s far-right President Ivan Duque found himself isolated on Monday as mayors and protesters prepared for the 84th day of anti-government protests. Bogota Mayor Claudia Lopez gave the indigenous people from southwest Colombia a warm welcome as they entered the city to take part in the Independence Day protests.

Mexican Journalist Shot Dead in Morelia City
A group of armed men opened fire on him in the facility parking lot and drove away through Madero Poniente Avenue. In the attack, an ice-paddle salesman was also hurt. Michoacan State Prosecutor’s Office already arrested three suspects on the La Huerta road, less than three kilometers from the crime scene. The detainees, who held firearms, are currently at the Intentional Homicide Specialized Investigation Unit.

US senators introduce bill aimed at reigning in White House's war powers
Three US senators, who have long campaigned against the White House's war powers, introduced wide-ranging legislation on Tuesday aimed at curbing the president's authority to issue arms sales, send troops into combat, and declare national emergencies without congressional approval.

Communist party joins coastal coalition talks
The push to establish a coalition of political parties at the Coast ahead of the 2022 elections has received a boost after the Communist Party of Kenya (CPK) joined the movement. … CPPC will deal with the political agenda while CIDI will handle the economic and social agenda of the region. This is expected to lead to the amalgamation of the five parties’ plans and aspirations.

Russian Tanks Move to Afghan Border Ahead of Drills
Russian tanks stationed at Moscow's base in Tajikistan have arrived at training grounds near the border with Afghanistan ahead of army drills next month, the Defense Ministry said Tuesday. Russia will stage military drills from Aug. 5 to 10 with Tajikistan and Uzbekistan at the Harb-Maidon training ground near the border with Afghanistan where the Taliban has led a lightning offensive against government troops.

CPI(M) will not shield guilty in loan scam: district secy.
The Communist Party of India (Marxist) will not protect its members on the committee of Karuvannur Service Cooperative Bank, near Irinjalakuda, if they are found guilty in the loan scam, party district secretary M.M. Varghese has said.

Activists arrested in Quezon City are humanitarian workers – group
Karapatan-Caraga said that Gomez and Velasco are both engaged humanitarian work over the years. In fact, the group said that “officers and personnel of some of government agencies in the region know them personally as they have coordinated activities particularly with the Department of Social Welfare and Development and local government units in the Surigao and Agusan provinces and several municipalities.”

Health Workers Begin Indefinite Strike against UP Govt's New Transfer Policy amid Pandemic
During the strike, the health workers staged a protest at the CMO and shouted slogans against the Yogi Adityanath-led government. They said until the government accepts their demand, they will not return to work. The statewide call for a work boycott was given by the Chikitsa Swasthya Mahasangh, a federation of eight healthcare associations.
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Thoughts on the ideas of Henry George? Seems pretty based to me. Marx was critical of his ideas, agreeing with them in some basic respects but viewing it as a limp half-measure. I disagree with Marx here. George does not have the stigma Marx carries, and his idea is simple and utterly agreeable to all but the most hardened of porkies: people keep the value earned from everything they produce and unearned income from the ownership of land is all that is to be taxed. No sort of wishy-washy neoliberalist critique that taxing land would disincentivize development, land is a necessity and will be developed in more proactive ways if land speculation is impracticable because simply sitting on it will not yield a profit. As this would be a tax on "unimproved land value."

The masses, right or left, except porky would ultimately get behind this idea had it any currency in modern political discourse. As capitalism has curdled over in recent decades and porky has tightened his grip on the levers of power, unearned income is taxed more favorably than earned income.

Georgism is a great hedge between capitalism and socialism. Had Marx saw it more clearly, it could be a viable and massively popular intermediate stage between capitalism and socialism. No income or sales tax? Who would say no to that?

It's clear that unlike an idealistic, huge change such as a massive revolution, popular, uncontroversial practical concrete steps to tip the scales and erode porky's power have a much better chance of putting the first foot forward.
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American Civil War v2

If foreign powers are in fact spreading radical messages across America in an attempt to destabilize the country and start a race war, would it work? Would anti-capitalists benefit?
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Asiatic mode of production (AMP)

What a fucking Eurocentric cop out.
Is this the proof that Marxism is Eurocentric?
How do you justify this shit?
Are the 5 stages of history bunch of bullshit too?
Do Brainlets still justify this shit?
Did and actual AMP existed in some form?
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So your telling me that the united states had thousands to millions of armed and trained infantry, cannons, fully automatic rifles, bombs , molotovs, battle jets, missiles, flamethrowers and chemical weapons but somehow lost to some rice farmers with ak47s whom got their weapons from some communist shithole in the 1970s?
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Why japan industrialized faster than the USSR and China

It's not because japan was capitalist hell it's not even because of the martial plan, oddly enough it would be laziness. One major aspect that's quickly forgotten about the industrial revolution was that the rapid expansion in the production of material goods was triggered by the embracement of better technology and a willingness to find faster and faster methods of extracting more wealth out of the earths resources with less work, thousands of years of slavery had little impact on the worlds global poverty and starvation rates compared to the industrialization of agriculture and likewise with Japan's economy the rapid growth and increase within the material conditions of Japan's citizens could be described as the byproduct of that embracement of modern technology. It's been documented all over the planet that workers are generally more productive when they are labouring under better conditions and with the ussr and the ccp it was frequently reported that workers worked for little or no pay often times in poor and dangerous factories for long hours in cities that felt more like prisons than financial and industrial hubs of civilization and likewise the millions of socialists whom toiled endlessly for their cause would soon get outdone by an island nation with barely any resources on it
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Colombian Protests Thread - Dia de la Independencia Edition

Protests, marches and demonstrations were planned for July 20th, which is Independence Day for Colombia, a long time ago by labor unions and left wing politicians and they are kicking off today. This seems to have rekindled the spark to do nationwide protests against the Colombian government. It's still early in the morning here so don't expect many police confrontations just yet.

Spanish sources:

English sources:
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ideal social network

what would be the ideal social network site???

Imageboards (ex: 4chan, *chan “alt chans”):
• Anonymous
• No registration
• OP requiring attachment forces content/memes to be produced
• Pruning catalog keeps server space needed to minimum
• Lack of upvote system reduces groupthink and disincentivizes non-originality
• Anonymity + siloing by board centered board identity over personality
• Linear reply structure that requires minimal interaction to read
• Effortposts that do happen are often phenomenal quality
• Attracts schizos, racists and “free speech” people who have been banned from other SM for good reason
• Dated UX/UI (mid 2000s approx.) loved by users but retro looking and unappealing to “normies”.
• Dumb curation based on last bump time, incentivizing bait posting (probably this problem shared with other SM)
• Effortposts rare and disincentivized

Notes: Imageboards are in theory fantastic as the fact that they have a limit (usually around 350 threads per board) reduces hosting costs, and also incentivizes people to make interesting posts, because posts that do not garner replies will quickly sink and “fall off” aka get pruned from the catalog. This is also likely what gives chans their edgy character as a “provocative” or edgy post will be more likely to garner the replies needed to keep the thread near the top of the catalog. This can be a problem for quality as a well thought out long form “blog” style post may garner less responses and be far more effort than a 1-2 line “bait” post with an intentionally bad or controversial opinion. In this sense “trolling” and “baiting” are nearly built into the incentive structure of imageboards by definition. Some imageboards try to combat this by imposing a minimum character count for new threads (ex: 200 characters) but this seems like a bit of a hack and is contrary to the overall logic of the medium. Many of the “cons” of imageboards are pros in the eyes of long time users, such as its dated, non mobile friendly UI, and edginess, are seen as needed to preserve the status of imageboard users as outsiders. This creates a unique and culturally prolific space but at the same time dooms imageboards’ mainstream appeal.

• Algorithmic timeline microtargets content to users, increasing engagement.
• Social connections keep people tied to platform.
• Makes a ton of money
• Reveals personal information about name, job, location, gender, personal relationships status, friends, family etc.
• Incredibly personality centric

Facebook’s business model is pretty simple. Get people to sign up with their personal information and connect with friends (and maybe someone attractive you briefly met at a house party). Then take that detailed personal information and use it to microtarget advertisements at exactly the right demographic for advertisers and political campaigns. Mark Zuckerberg does not believe in privacy. Before facebook, people mainly used screennames and aliases online. It was facebook that changed this, so that people used their real names and faces online. Which is what he considers one of his big accomplishments. Needless to say, I hated this development and I’ve hated the culture it created ever since. Zuckerberg says he made the world more “open and connected”. Another way of saying that is more surveilled and more bothered by busybodies. Anonymity is freedom. There’s a reason every year young people leave small towns across this land to move to big cities, because living in a place where everyone is in your business all the time and a bunch of gossiping people is a prison-lite environment. In a small town, even if you change, evolve, and become a totally different person, people will still remember and think about the things you did as a teenager or when you were twelve. I hate facebook because he’s turned the whole world into one big small town, from which there is no escape. People say the internet is making the world a smaller place, but has anyone ever stopped to ask if its getting too small? But yes, it does make a lot of money. And all they had to do was ruin the internet and possibly break politics to do it. Probably the only thing facebook does well is the algorithmic timeline which increases engagement.

• Mobile friendly design
• Decent discoverability
• Hashtags
• Decent editor UI for posting
• Diverse OP content (images, animated gifs, videos)
• Pseudo-anonymity, except for blue checkmarks
• Personality centric
• Meme ideologies
• Character limit incentivizes un nuanced “hot takes”
• Forced mobile style UI on desktop (“mobile first”)
• Nonlinear reply structure confusing, forced clickthrough
• Quote Replies
• Notifications mechanic incentivizes performative takes for subs/likes

Notes: Marginally better than twitter but still bad. Character limit makes sense from a mobile first perspective, after all who’s trying to read a 20,000 word thesis on a smartphone screen, however has the side effect of making people reduce their takes to the shortest, most un nuanced, un supported version of itself, which in effect reduces takes to “X bad, Y good” or sarcastic or cryptic one liners. Trump was a master of twitter due to his brain being small enough that his thoughts only require 240 characters anyway. Workaround is creating a twitter thread which is less readable than unbroken text and looks bad anyway, plus people have been trained by the platform to only read short takes and will tune out essay length twitter threads anyway due to twitter induced ADD. Non linear tree style reply structure is confusing and requires too much clicking to read through. The positive thing is the infinite scroll provides a constant stream of content, if the person limits their interaction to scrolling and liking only (not replying or reading replies). Editor for posts is far superior to any non facebook platform. Quote retweet allow “dunking” and incentivize leaching off original content, “reply guys” who quote tweet someone else and add their own vapid or sarcastic commentary. Read somewhere that the twitter engineer that invented the quote retweet regrets it (as he should). Even regular retweeting is pretty lazy. If the only purpose of retweeting is outsourcing discoverability to the user, a better mechanism is needed. While imageboards incentivize creating content that gets a lot of replies, twitter incentivizes getting lots of likes, in fact a high reply to like ratio is considered a bad thing “getting ratio’d” as a reply with no like is a proxy for dislike. So while imageboards do not distinguish between positive and negative interaction, twitter and all other like based systems implicitly encourage “performative” content creation/takes a.k.a users saying the things that they think other people will like, to therefore increase their own visibility, celebrity, etc. Rather than saying their honest opinion, if indeed they have any. Exporting Los Angeles style “trying to become famous” culture to the rest of the world. This is a cancerous dynamic. Should avoid like/dislike systems at all costs, esp. as complex feelings are reduced to a binary attribute (like/dislike). Possible side effect = polarization?.

• Pseudo-anonymity
• Communities based on interest not personality
• Generally medium to medium-high quality content
• Post History visible reduces anonymity
• Branching reply structure
• Terrible UI
• OP too short (as a “link aggregator” its often just a link to a news article)
• Likes/Dislikes, Karma, Gold, Silver, and the rest of that bullshit

Notes: Reddit is a website with a decent concept but a bad UI and worse userbase. Yes, as a channer the typical image of a “redditor” comes to mind. A limp dick neckbeard soyboy with a rick and morty t-shirt. Reddit is the Thomas Edison of websites, its users steal all their content from people that actually make original content, repost it, and then act like they invented the whole thing. A perfect encapsulation of middle class bland yuppie suburban consumer culture, a circlejerk which produces nothing original and never will. Part of the broader disneyfication and pg-13ification of a sterile and desexed pop culture, with a good dose of smarmy smarter than thou smugness and milquetoast center-left politics thrown on top. Peak midwit. Certain subreddits are niche and good. Reddit evolved to replace a lot of the old school bulletin board forums for niche gaming/auto/etc interests. At least its based on shared interests and not personality based drama. Like/Dislike and karma system encourages the same hivemind and performative posting BS as with twitter. At worst as a “link aggregator” it simply acts as a comment system for articles on websites that don’t have their own comment section. Not much to be borrowed here mechanically, except maybe allowing users to make a http link as their op as an alternative to videos/images.

• Pseudonymous option
• Potentially very high quality content
• High word count
• Low discoverability
• Bad on mobile

Notes: Blogs and blog-like sites like Tumblr are actually surprisingly good. Unlike the transient nature of twitter posts, people tend to put effort into blogposts and even include sources from time to time. The only problem is that blogs tend to be separate websites and even when on the same domain (ex: wordpress.com) they tend to lack discoverability. Tumblr at its peak in the early 2010s seemed like a transitional website, a sort of nu-myspace. The downside of high character count is that blogs, regardless of “responsive” design, tend to read badly on phones and don’t lend themselves well to casual use.

• Extremely potent mandatory recommender system driven content
• Short video clips lend well to casual use
• Video format more accessible to dimwits and tired people than walls of text
• Often cancer tier ultranormie content, on par with instagram
• Primarily consumed by children and teens

Notes: Tiktok’s content may be cancer but it’s format is genius. The most addicting app of the modern era. Instead of allowing people to search for content but adding recommender systems like youtube, tiktok leans in and puts it on steroids by making the recommender system the main way to access content. This is like increasing the nicotine content 3x.

• Audiovisual and audio content easier to digest
• AV/A content easier to listen to while moving (i.e. commuting or walking)
• Works for both long and short content
• Recommender Algorithm very good
• Video storage takes a ton of space on disk.
• Streaming content in a timely manner tricky, practically mandates CDN use
• Responses text-only

Notes: The second most popular social media network. Takes way too much storage for video. On the plus side the recommendation engine is scarily good and addictive. AV content can be consumed with walking, driving, etc. while reading text for that is pretty difficult. Object storage and delivery (files, videos, images) is a usually overlooked aspect of these sites. Responses being text only is listed as a con, but it can be a pro in the sense that it saves storage space and it encourages being OP-centric in an r9k-ish way.

Runner ups:

Linkedin – facebook for jobseekers, professionals, and hustle culture psychopaths.
Snapchat – fancy texts that delete themselves.
Pinterest – Not familiar enough to comment but looks like a glorified booru for middle aged women
Telegram/Signal/Whatsapp/etc. - Texting that’s ““secure””.
Medium – Blogging for people who are too lazy to set up their own blog. Often mistaken for legitimate “news”.

reposted from: https://leftypol.org/tech/res/10238.html
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I am praying for this to NOT explode

Man I would be so UPSET and heartbroken if this ship exploded with a glorious, courageous and exceptional human in it like Jeff bezos. Lord please guide this plane back to earth safely intact.

I will cry if I see this explode on my tv live

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Is war the most profitable venture and lifeline that capitalism has ever since the Great Depression?

It seems like war and conflict is the only way for capitalism to be able to raise the rate of profit because of the mass destruction of capital.
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Reformism Challenge

Suggest 3 reforms that you believe to be both desirable and immediately practicable by your countries government. Develop on your reasoning as much or as little as you please.
>Nooooooo I'm not a reformist I'm a true and honest revolutionary I have no interest in playing around the edges I'm only interested in how everyone will do exactly what I want after the revolution
Marx wrote a list of 10 policies which were immediately practicable and desirable. I'm only asking you for 3. If you really can't think of any, you need to spend more time reading and less time posting.
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Hello, my name is Trump Support-er, and I hate liberals. I mean I really hate them. Democrats, liberals, conservatives, most socdems and demsocs. Really anyone who voted for a Democrat in the past four years. Sorry I used to make exceptions for "harm reduction" anarchists or whatever, but I'm very drained from being called a subhuman constantly by normie Biden supporters.

My question is, what is the most effective way to own the libs? To really destroy liberalism and make the libs cry and seethe?

Fascism? I don't really care about "the white race" or any right wing culture war things (Jews, trans, vidya). Doubt most people in the US would go along with it anyway, so it would fail.

Collapsism? Seems like it might take too long, be too complicated. Just US centric, then neo-China rules, which is based of course. Global, then industrial society never recovers. Of course many libs are owned in the process. But enough? and how quickly? I don't want to wait 20 years for climate change to destroy the world.

Accelerationism? The insane kind. AI assembling itself systematically exterminates life on Earth. Very thorough owning of the libs, very "up my alley" interests wise. But how long will this take? And what if life isn't destroyed, but instead is simply deterritorialized completely? Are the libs still owned if they're just turned into eggs, or whatever? Compare and contrast "Biosphere dissolves into technosphere" (Meltdown) and "No more human beings, only desiring machines" (Neo-Futurism). Which is worse? For the libs, I mean.

Maoism/Stalinism? This would be kindof a "right wing accelerationism" that is, accelerating leftism. You could also put "bioleninism" (identitarianism/"wokeness") here. We get the most extreme leftism, and ruin everyone to the right of that, which includes every liberal. Those of you pining for a communist revolution, what is your sect, and how many liberals will be thrown in the gulags? (You will be too) I know, and do not care, so long as liberals suffer. That being said, I can recite Marx, Lenin, Adorno, Foucault. Whatever sect you are, I can try and blend in.

Posadism? Collapsism, but funnier and quicker. Thermonuclear apocalypse to own the libs. Bonus that blue cities will be hit first.

What do you guys think? What ideology should I be to ensure the largest amounts of liberal tears? (But the whole point of accelerationism is that it doesn't matter whether you want it or not) I know that. Which one is more *likely* to own the libs?
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Base and Superstructure analysis of biological evolution

I've been thinking back and forth about this a lot from time to time.
There is definitely a materialistic analysis of natural evolution based on this model.

In my analysis, I consider life and genes to be the base. It is the things we have at an individual level that really makes us who we are. It defines the next generation and what comes next. Agents of this world. This includes any other living animal, but also at an individual level rather than species level.

The superstructure is the environment, which includes other living organisms as well. That is because living organisms affect the environment as well.
From the great oxygenation event to modern humans' effects on the environment. All these affect the evolution of other species.
Phenotype is also part of the environment since your phenotype can be influenced by the environment in real-time. For example, if your heart breaks down, you die and become a genetic deadend. However, if a pacemaker is installed, you can live and maybe also reproduce.

One problem I have is that I cannot think of any implications or use for this analysis as of yet. Any ideas, criticism, or anything?
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Marxist History / Historiography

Where is it possible to find modern and materialist history of things?
Why everytime i search for something I always have to to through pile of positivist brainlets?
I want a library full of Materialist Analysis of history. Why i cannot find out history of the Mongol Empire and Lamaism without reading through some micky mouse shit about
>lmao they chinks they think like dat
>lmao das tradition mane
>lmao religion says x therfore y happen
why there is no fucking historian who explain the material basis of these thoughts of tradition in the first place? No wonder people are geographically and historically illiterate
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Jeff Bezos is going to the fucking space

Jeff Bezos is going to space just to show his power and shit.
ITT we pray so it's spaceship fucking explodes epic style and he fucking dies in an infernal fire.
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Will things get better when Africa develop

Jobs get outsourced to the ones willing to do it for less and or when the current workers ask for higher wages
I think it goes likes West -> Asia -> Africa

So when even Africa is finished and they too start asking for higher wages, What happens? Jobs return everywhere? Porky gets tired moving places and finally gives in to africa? They do a little bombing in some region to bring them down and get lower wages again? Some currency fuckery?

Also why did the black skin bad! shit originate in the first place? Was it a way to demoralize africans to take their resources? I mean it's insane to just look at some dude who looks different than you and become antagonistic. I know it's a slow racist snow pile that took many centuries to become what it is but who was the first CEO of racist (against black people)
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Why the hell are birthrates on the decline fucking everywhere? Even in africa the major causation of high birthrates is low access to contraceptives and abortion and even then their birthrates are on the general decline every year… it's not even like humanity hasn't had worse periods to have kids than now but seemingly enough no ones fucking and I'm worried about becoming a single father with 1 adopted son because of this retarded shit…
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Popular Revolution Is Myth - Authoritarianism İs Necessary

There is a big redpill for you; none of the revolutions were popular and most of them were enforced to masses by a group of small people. That's includes most of those well-known revolutions too, where opressed masses uprise against opressors. At them, those revolutions only made by group of ""smart/bright people"" who tired by bastards; and they enforced their rule to the masses while masses despised them despite they made their conditions more better
I think a good examples are Ataturk and Lee Kuan Yew. At there in Turkey, reactionaries always use the argument that Ataturk was a dictator and didn't care about what masses think; but it's a good thing because if he wasn't a dictator and did what masses want ,Turkey would have no difference from any MidEast country. He had give many good things for masses, including "first right to vote for woman in world" but there was still many mass-reactionary uprisings against his rule, which wanted "ottofag" back. Because of those reasons, we progressives in Turkey are "mostly" elitist and have a saying that "for the people despite the people". Even some anarchists knows the fact that all progress in humanity is made by small group of people and not by masses. Lee Kuan Yew is another example, he has a quote that "I am often accused of interfering in the private lives of citizens. Yes, if I did not, had I not done that, we wouldn’t be here today." and that's true. Singapore is a dictatorship today and that's why they are very good. People of Singapore does have best-healthcare, best-education, skyhigh home-ownership, very green city, best-security, one of the best countries for woman, very racially-diverse and hell, even the free-food;which is not even fucking Norway does have
Because of that, how you mostly care about making masses leftists is totally impossible and wrong. What you only need is Max ~%15~ of revolutionaries compared to society. What you should do is taking the power and enforcing communism to the masses. Yes, you should enforce socialism to the masses; even with violance
Don't care about their thoughts, revolution is more important than what masses think
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Israel is about to go to civil war

Over some tasty choco ice cream. Well /leftypol/ Who is in the wrong here?


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>the founders of the US saw political parties as the ultimate evil to be avoided at all costs
>despite this, political parties had emerged before the Washington administration had ended
>meanwhile, for the entire duration of the first french republic, there were amorphous, free-flowing "factions" as in groups of people with shared values or political interests, but never centrally-administered, disciplined "parties" in the british or american sense
Why is this? Was there some material or procedural difference?
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Anarchism is just liberal bohemianism. Juvenile impulses towards a "punk rock" lifestyle. That's it.

"Mutual aid" will never overcome systemic challenges
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News 7/19/21

Nicaraguans celebrate anniversary of Sandinista revolution, vowing to repel renewed imperialist aggression
Thousands gathered in the capital Managua, which became a sea of black and red, the colours of the Sandinista National Liberation Front (FLSN,) which governs the Central American country. They were marking the anniversary of the 1979 overthrow of the US-backed Somoza dictatorship, a brutal regime characterised by executions, mass poverty for the people and political corruption.

Two political upstarts notch upset wins in Chile's presidential primaries
On the left, underdog Boric, 35, a lawmaker with more moderate views who hails from the Patagonia region of far-southern Chile, garnered 60% of the vote in the primary, soundly defeating Communist party contender and Santiago-region Mayor Daniel Jadue.

More losses for retirees and pensioners predicted in Uruguay
Daniel Baldassari, secretary general of Uruguay's National Organization of Retirees and Pensioners (ONAJPU), on Monday warned that there will be more losses in purchasing power for them with the Government's budget project in Parliament.

UK reaffirms backing for Guaido as Venezuela president ahead of $1 bln gold case
The British government reiterated on Monday that it recognises opposition figure Juan Guaido as Venezuela's president, a move aimed at quashing a bid by the Nicolas Maduro-backed Venezuelan central bank to repatriate nearly $1 billion of its gold stored in London.

Keir Starmer plots ban for ‘poisonous’ Labour groups and Corbynistas
Sir Keir Starmer will move to purge “poisonous” campaign groups from the Labour Party this week as he tries to further isolate the party’s far left. Labour’s ruling National Executive Committee (NEC) will be asked to proscribe four groups associated with the party that promote communism, claim that antisemitism allegations are overblown and demand that the former leader Jeremy Corbyn has the Labour whip restored.

Die Linke under fire for supporting German Communist Party election ban
GERMANY’S left-wing Die Linke party came under fire today for voting in favour of banning the German Communist Party (DKP) from standing in the country’s federal elections. … Only the Green Party voted against a proposal by Federal Returning Officer Georg Thiel to revoke the party’s status, a move DKP officials said was designed to crush the party financially.

India’s Supreme Court demands release of activist who said ‘cow dung doesn’t cure Covid’ on Facebook
On Monday, a bench of Justices DY ChandraFAGGOT and MR Shah deemed that the continued detention of Leichombam Erendro would be unlawful under the country’s constitution and a violation of his human rights. The Supreme Court justices ordered that Manipur prison authorities release the activist, who has been held for two months, before 5pm on Monday (10:30am GMT).

Punjab: Teachers and Pensioners Upset with Congress Government
Thousands of government school teachers accompanied by pensioners held a massive protest against the Punjab government on Sunday, rejecting the 6th Pay Commission report. Under the banner of Sanjha Adhyapak Morcha and Punjab-UT Employees and Pensioners Sanjha Front, the protestors claimed that the 6th Pay Commission recommendations would enable reduction in their salaries and allowances.

Political Prisoner Varavara Rao’s Family Surveilled Using Israeli Firm’s Spyware
This includes Hany Babu, assistant professor from Delhi University, rights activist Vernon Gonsalves, academic and civil liberties activist Anand Teltumbde, retired professor Shoma Sen, journalist and rights activist Gautam Navlakha, lawyer Arun Ferreira, and academic and activist Sudha Bharadwaj, the report said.

Israeli settlers break into al-Aqsa compound a day before Eid al-Adha
Dozens of far-right Israeli settlers broke into Jerusalem's al-Aqsa compound on Monday, flanked by Israeli police, one day before the Muslim feast of Eid al-Adha. Monday also marks the Day of Arafah, which is the holiest day in the Islamic calendar. Israeli security units restricted the entry of Palestinians to the compound and flew a drone to monitor the area as the settlers entered.

Labeling NDF a terror organization will lead to Duterte rigging Eleksyon 2022 –Sison
In a statement, Sison explained that the designation will allow Duterte to stay in power together with his daughter, Davao City Mayor Sara Duterte, and prevent his arrest for crimes against humanity on the prospective warrant that may be issued by the International Criminal Court.

Two dams collapse in Inner Mongolia, flooding farmland
Hulunbuir’s city government said on its WeChat account that 16,660 people had been affected, with 21,775 hectares (53,807 acres) of farmland submerged. Bridges and other transport infrastructure had also been destroyed. Footage posted on Chinese social media showed one of the dams being completely swept away by the water, inundating nearby fields.
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I don't see POC complain about ”oppressive governments” and ”totalitarian regimes” to the same extent as these white radlibs do around the clock, maybe if they left their cushy basements and went to the third world and noticed that anarchism wouldn't bring about the instantaneous change that they think it'd, then they wouldn't peddle the nonsense they do. There are regional difference in the extent of which anarchists have formed varying large movements, but nowhere to the scope of necessity for change. At bottom, the issue is that they don't grasp the power dynamics, even by their recognition power is asymmetrical. Bakunin, Kropotkin, et al. tried to come up with theoretical projects to find universally valid solutions to the asymmetries of power and authority, and while they had some contributions to make, they didn't have the insights of political figures like Lenin.
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Seeing that there is no dedicated thread for this part of the world I'm just gonna create one. Feel free to discuss anything happening in this part of the planet here.

I'll start with two things:

-Afghan war situation as of today:

-Kyrgyzstan nationalising an important mine run by Canadians
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Anyone pls recommend good/quality left wing news sources to me? Cause right wing media's basically everywhere and I'm kinda "informationally disabled" bcs of that!