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Reading General

Hello leftypol, we noticed an under-appreciation for the theory that upholds our political ideologies: As such, we have decided to revive the reading sticky! This thread will be dedicated to the sharing, discussing, and general banter about various leftist thinkers, theories, and political outlooks.

But, other than that, we believe there are other important reads that must be addressed, especially, for beginners and those just now getting into leftism.

Don't forget to check out >>>/edu/ for more reading and discussion!

Common Right Wing Talking Points Debunks

Check out the /edu/ thread at

Also see the relevant leftybooru tag
Add topics into the tag list to further narrow down your search!

Introduction to Marxism Reading List - Thanks to the /read/ matrix room (https://app.element.io/#/group/+leftyread:matrix.org)

Absolute Beginners Tier:

'Principles of Communism' by Friedrich Engels

'Three Source and Three Component Parts of Marxism' by V.I. Lenin

Not a book but Halim Alrah's youtube channel is good for the absolutely basics of Marxism but obviously not a replacement for reading

Marx and Engels Reading List

Tier 1:

'Manifesto of the Communist Party'

'Critique of the Gotha Programme'

'Socialism: Utopian and Scientific'

Tier 2:

'Wage Labour and Capital'

'Value, Price and Profit'

'Theses on Feuerback'

By this point you should have a good understanding of the basics of Marxism and are ready to branch out to other theorists and also read Capital.

Tier 3:

'Capital vol.1'

Lenin Reading List - By Moo (aka Zizekposter)

Lenin Essentials:

'State and Revolution'

'“Left-Wing” Communism: an Infantile Disorder'

'Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism'

Petit Bourgeois Philistine Tier:

'What is to be done'

'The Proletarian Revolution and Renegade Kautsky'

'Two Tactics of Social Democracy in the Democratic Revolution'

ADHD Tier:

'Socialism and Religion'

'Zizek's Introduction to Revolution at the Gates'

'Revolutionary Adventurism'

MLM Reading List


Why MLM?

Marxism-Leninism-Maoism Basic Course

'Continuity and Rupture: Philosophy in the Maoist Terrain'


'On Practice & Contradiction'

'On Guerrilla Warfare'

'On Protracted War'


'Fanshen: A Documentary of Revolution in a Chinese Village'

'Red Star Over China' - Edgar Snow

'The Unknown Cultural Revolution' - Dongpin Han


Interview With Chairman Gonzalo

General line of the PCP

'Shining Path: Terror and Revolution in Peru' - Simon Strong


Operation “Green Hunt” in India

Eight Historic Documents (AZAD)

'Urban Perspective'


Araling Aktibista - Activist Study ARAK

'Stand for Socialism Against Modern Revisionism'

'Philippine Society and Revolution'
https://bannedthought.net/Philippines/CPP/1970s PhilippineSocietyAndRevolution-4ed.pdf

Political Economy:

'Rethinking Socialism' – Deng-yuan Hsu & Pao-yu Ching

'China: A Modern Social-Imperialist Power' - CPI(Maoist)

'Maoist Economics & the Revolutionary Road to Communism' - The Shanghai Textbook

Leftcom Reading Lists

r/marxism101's reading list:

r/bruhinternational's reading list:


'The Democratic Principle'

'Proletarian Dictatorship and Class Party'

'The Spirit of Horsepower'

'Report on Fascism'


'The Lyons Theses'

'Theory and Action in Marxist Doctrine'

'Dialogue with Stalin'


'World Revolution and Communist Tactics'

'Party and Class'

Herman Gorter:

'Open Letter to Comrade Lenin'

'The World Revolution'

Bookchin Reading Lists - based off of posts by Gorm1918 (pbuh)

'The Next Revolution'

'Urbanization Without Cities'

'The 3rd Revolution'

'The Ecology of Freedom'

Links to Resources and Libraries:

More Marx and Engels:


Other Selected Marxists:

Classical Works Recommended To High-Ranking Cadres:

Many important books can be found on libgen:

Libcom has some good books/documents:

Other links:

Various assortment of historical and biographical works:

The Leftist Bookshelf (4.16 GB, 600+ files)
This was originally a torrent but I can't find the link anymore. Its description was: "640 eBooks, mostly in PDF format (a bunch are CHM, DJVU or ePUB), from a revolutionary Leftist viewpoint. The main subjects are politics and philosophy, history, economics, and much much more."

Political Theory (MLM) (2.64 GB, 550+ files)
I found this on reddit years ago (circa 2016) Don't really remember who made it or where it came from, but this is a reading course (politics, philosophy, economics, etc) focused on Maoism. Has many books and articles on the USSR, PRC, Stalin, Mao, etc.

The Anarchist Library (669 MB, 4000+ files)
This is a complete mirror of the anarchist library with pdfs and epubs

Little Bunker of Marxism-Leninism (680 MB, 100+ files)
Unfinished project focused on M-L with more than 100 books on several topics like history, economics, politics, etc. Lots of stuff on the USSR.

Historical Materialism series (330 MB, 100+ files)
A pdf archive of over 100 books from the Historical Materialism book series. I got this from thecharnelhouse.org years ago and the website had released many marxist books from other publishers but unfortunately it's been taken down.

/leftypol/ with a slash of liberty (239 MB, 100+ files)
I didn't make this, just reuploading it. This is a classic /leftypol/ link, marxist stuff mixed with anarchism.

Marx & Engels Collected Works (900+ MB, 50 files)
The official, complete works of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels organized in 50 volumes and 3 categories.
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The removal of Jefferson’s statue is a gift to the political right
>The World Socialist Web Site condemns the de Blasio administration’s decision to remove the historic statue from New York City Hall.

It is hard to express my disgust and anger over this nonentity De Blasio, and others of his ilk who impose their subjective hurt feelings and pseudo-moral finger wagging at what was truly great and progressive, and of world-historic significance. These morons, as the article correctly states, are gifting the fascists who are overjoyed that these poseurs of "progressivism" are spitting on the individuals and ideas that are currently under attack by both capitalist parties. It is certainly the case that it is only the international working class, led by the Marxist party that will simultaneously preserve and advance the great liberating ideas of Jefferson, Adams, Lincoln and the rest.
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Is Squid game a gay show will it make you gay?

Lots of people are saying I should watch squid game however I am concerned it might be a homosexual show that could make me gay. Squid game is watched by a lot of women and it is also watched by a lot of gay people I think and lots of k pop fans watch it and that has a lot of gay and woman energy as well.
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Tips for a former chud

I was a pretty big chinlet, but when Drumpf dropped the ball with covid I had to reconsider my views. I feel that I've made a lot of progress since this realization, but was wondering how I could further re-educate myself. Thanks.
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/prc/ - People's Republic of China general

A general thread for all China related discussion.

Original threads:
leftypol.org archives:
bunekrchan.xyz archives:
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/Internet Trash General/ - endless eceleberry
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🗽United States Politics🦅


Thread for petit discussion related to the greatest, best country God has ever given man on the face of the earth.


News livestreams:
CNN: https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/cnn-news-usa.html
MSNBC: https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/msnbc.html
FOX: https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/fox-news-channel.html
Bloomberg: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp8PhLsUcFEegalitarianism
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/brg/ Brasil General /brg

A acelerada degeneração do País continua, o que lhe dar o direito e o dever de esconder seu dinheiro em offshores edition.

Perspectivas para o futuro? Que futuro?

Último Fio: >>>/leftypol_archive/481958
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Previous thread ( >>210868 ) hit bump limit.

We scientific (STEM) socialism here.

For a complete reading list, see: https://paulcockshott.wordpress.com/2020/05/01/two-reading-lists/

Cockshott's Patreon

Cockshott's youtube channel

Cockshott's Blogs

Cockshott's videos torrent archive
Here's the torrent with all of Paul Cockshott's YouTube channel videos up to 27/10/2020 (i.e. Eliminating inequality):
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Torrent file:

This thread is for the discussion of cybersocialism, the planning of the socialist economy by computerized means, including discussions of related topics and of course the great immortal scientist himself, WILLIAM PAUL COCKSHOTT.

Archives of previous thread
1) https://archive.is/uNCEY
2) https://web.archive.org/web/20201218152831/https://bunkerchan.xyz/leftypol/res/997358.html
3) https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1092975361

You can make webm related real by contacting Ck on his Facebook or YT channel.
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Haiti gang seeks $1M each for kidnapped US missionaries


PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti (AP) — A gang that kidnapped 17 members of a U.S.-based missionary group demanded $1 million ransom per person, although authorities were not clear whether that amount included the five children being held, a top Haitian official said Tuesday.

The official, who was not authorized to speak to the press, told The Associated Press that someone from the 400 Mawozo gang made the demand Saturday in a call to a leader of the ministry group shortly after the abduction.

A person in contact with the organization, Christian Aid Ministries, confirmed the $1 million per person demand, which was first reported by The Wall Street Journal. That person spoke on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the situation.

The adults range in age from 18 to 48, the children from 8 months to 15 years, according to a statement from the organization on Tuesday. Sixteen of the abductees are Americans and one Canadian.

“This group of workers has been committed to minister throughout poverty-stricken Haiti,” the Ohio-based ministry said, adding that the missionaries worked most recently on a project to help rebuild homes lost in a magnitude-7.2 earthquake that struck on Aug. 14.

The group was returning from visiting an orphanage when it was abducted, the organization said.

Responding to the recent wave of kidnappings, workers staged a protest strike that shuttered businesses, schools and public transportation starting Monday. The work stoppage was a new blow to Haiti’s anemic economy. Unions and other groups vowed to continue the shutdown indefinitely.

In a peaceful demonstration Tuesday north of Port-au-Prince, dozens of people walked through the streets of Titanyen demanding the release of the missionaries. Some carried signs that read “Free the Americans” and “No to Kidnapping!”

“They built our schools. They pay our bills,” Zachary Celus said. “They do everything for us. So now we can’t do anything because they kidnapped them.”

Meanwhile, an ongoing fuel shortage worsened, and businesses blamed gangs for blocking roads and gas distribution terminals.

Hundreds of motorcycles zoomed through the streets of Port-au-Prince as the drivers yelled, “If there’s no fuel, we’re going to burn it all down!”

One protest took place near the prime minister’s residence, where police fired tear gas to disperse a crowd demanding fuel.

In Washington, White House press secretary Jen Psaki said Tuesday that the FBI was “part of a coordinated U.S. government effort” to free the missionaries. The American Embassy in Port-au-Prince was coordinating with local officials and the hostages’ families.

“We know these groups target U.S. citizens who they assume have the resources and finances to pay ransoms, even if that is not the case,” she added, noting that the government has urged citizens not to visit Haiti.

It is longstanding U.S. policy not to negotiate with hostage takers, and Psaki declined to discuss details of the operation.

The kidnapping was the largest of its kind reported in recent years. Haitian gangs have grown more brazen as the country tries to recover from the July 7 assassination of President Jovenel Moïse and the earthquake that killed more than 2,200 people

Jean-Louis Abaki, a moto taxi driver who joined the strike Monday, urged authorities in the Western Hemisphere’s poorest nation to act. He said if Prime Minister Ariel Henry and National Police Chief Léon Charles want to stay in power, “they have to give the population a chance at security.”

At least 328 kidnappings were reported to Haiti’s National Police in the first eight months of 2021, compared with a total of 234 for all of 2020, according to a report issued last month by the United Nations Integrated Office in Haiti.

Gangs have been accused of kidnapping schoolchildren, doctors, police officers, bus passengers and others. Ransom demands range from a few hundred dollars to millions.

U.S. State Department spokesman Ned Price said American officials have been in constant contact with Haiti’s National Police, the missionary group and hostages’ relatives.

“This is something that we have treated with the utmost priority since Saturday,” he said, adding that officials are doing “all we can to seek a quick resolution to this.”

Christian Aid Ministries said the kidnapped group included six women, six men and five children. A sign on the door at the organization’s headquarters in Berlin, Ohio, said it was closed due to the kidnapping situation.

News of the kidnappings spread swiftly in and around Holmes County, Ohio, hub of one of the largest populations of Amish and conservative Mennonites in the United States, said Marcus Yoder, executive director of the Amish & Mennonite Heritage Center in nearby Millersburg, Ohio.

Christian Aid Ministries is supported by conservative Mennonite, Amish and related groups that are part of the Anabaptist tradition.

The organization was founded in the early 1980s and began working in Haiti later that decade, said Steven Nolt, professor of history and Anabaptist studies at Elizabethtown College in Pennsylvania. The group has year-round mission staff in Haiti and several countries, he said, and it ships religious, school and medical supplies throughout the world
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porky is based

Porky is based

Yes, the heading/title is clickbait. No, it is not ironic or a shitpost. Compared to the petit-bourgeoisie, the bourgeoisie IS based. STOP SIMPING FOR THE PETIT BOOJ. The petit booj, especially the rural petit booj is even more reactionary and the source of far more rightoid rage than the booj. This is where the Marjorie Taylor Greenes and the Alex Joneses of the world come from.

The full force of neoliberal, malthusian urban technocapital must be unleashed against the barbarians of the hinterlands.

Urbanization is a natural part of the process of proletarianization and therefore progressive. Similarly the process of competition which winnows down the pool of capitalists into smaller and smaller concentrations, into monopolies and oligopolies, is progressive as those companies will ultimately be easier to nationalize than 500 different small mom and pop shops which are inefficient and duplicate tons of work anyway.

Let their farms undercut and bought out, their small businesses driven into the dust, and their towns seized by eminent domain and bulldozed over for agricorps to turn into farmland. Let them be driven into the cities where they can be urbanized and thereby proletarianized. Let capital run it’s course and civilize the savages.

>inb4 some crypto /pol/tards show up to muh blood and soil rural ooga booga

BTW people who deny this are what Marx and Engels would have called bourgeois socialists or petit bourgeois socialists. They want to undo capitalism by going back to some idealized vision of early to mid 19th century economic relations.
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So what exactly is to be done about the left's awful image? We can all agree that radlibs make it cringe to be an open leftist, such as on 4chan where I spent most of my time when I was banned from here. It's kind of a shame that you can't just call yourself a lefty without someone who is pretending to be a millionaire telling you how much Karl Marx is a sucky without going into further detail. I think it's because of the fact that rad libs ruin the experience for everyone, they and not decades of old propaganda are doing the real damage to leftism and porky knows it. He attaches leftist labels into liberal causes and then ships them out for lib consumption. So how exactly do we deal with radlibs? We all agree they are a problem but how exactly should we deal with them? I think we should gatekeep them honestly. They should have to be made to repent for being radlibs, make being a radlib in public humiliating (More so than it already is)
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/LeftyBritPol/ == FIREMAN SAM EDITION ==














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In this thread here lies Colon Powell. A scumbag who stood out during the Iraq war. Each reply is a toilet full of diarrhea for neocons. This is a day to celebrate bros
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There has been alot of activity in spaceflight recently, especially the explosion in commericial space companies like Rocketlab, Relativity Space and SpaceX.

American rockets have gone from nearly non-existent after the Space Shuttle shutdown to completely dominating the field within a decade.

Elon Musk is now developing a fully a reusable super heavy launch system that will be easily and rapidly reusable. This thing will completely open up Space for business and could make Mars colonization possible

How will this change material conditions here on earth?
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Oberlin College

I am in my upper-30s, been following politics for about 20 years, and being from the cleveland area I personally know 4 people that graduated from this shithole. all of them, every single one, are absolute fucking losers. poor, whiny, middle-aged bartenders and servers. that's what this six-figure ponzi scheme of an institution gets you.
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News 10/19/21

Slaughter in Indonesia: Britain’s secret propaganda war
The proof of Britain’s role in inciting what the CIA later described as “one of the worst mass murders of the 20th century” lies in another leafy suburb. In declassified Foreign Office documents – held far beyond the 20-year rule – in Kew in London. Recently released in Britain’s National Archives are pamphlets purporting to be written by Indonesian patriots, but in fact written by British propagandists, calling on Indonesians to eliminate the PKI, then the biggest communist party in the non-communist world.

Brits concerned murder of MP will lead to internet crackdown, after officials call for end to online anonymity
After the Tory MP was stabbed to death in a church on Friday by a man with links to Islamist extremism, several members of Parliament called for authoritarian social media laws that would prevent anonymity – despite no links having yet been established between the attack and Amess’ social media presence.

Privacy campaigners condemn rollout of facial recognition in school canteens
But campaigners and some parents have expressed concerns that it risks normalising the use of surveillance technology, and that children may not have been properly informed of the privacy risks. CRB Cunninghams, the firm that installed the systems, said facial recognition cuts the average transaction time to five seconds per pupil.

Latvia orders lockdown as PM decries low Covid-19 vaccine uptake and far-right MP blames Russian ‘colonists’ reluctant to get jab
Janis Iesalnieks, an MP from the far-right National Alliance Party, risked courting controversy by laying the blame for the rise in deaths at the door of the country’s large Russian ethnic minority, however. “Latvian children will no longer be able to study and play sports because the colonists who arrived in Soviet times are in no hurry to get vaccinated and are now overloading hospitals,” he claimed. “It’s so unfair.”

Mosques in the Netherlands investigated by private companies: Report
Local media has revealed that at least 10 towns and cities in the Netherlands have been secretly investigating mosques and Islamic institutions through private companies. According to local daily NRC Handelsblad, mosque association officials and members active in the Muslim community were investigated by Nuance door Training and Advice (NTA) on behalf of municipalities, using unlawful undercover methods.

Turkey’s spy bust escalates rivalry with Iran
The reported capture of Iranian spies in Turkey comes as the latest sign of the rivalry heating up between Ankara and Tehran, as bilateral tensions over Iraq and Syria have been steadily expanding to the Caucasus since last year’s war between Armenia and Azerbaijan.

Palestinian left-wing factions rejoin PLO meetings after brief boycott
The secretary-general of the Palestinian People’s Party (PPP) - the former Palestinian Communist Party - said in a statement to media late on Monday that his party and the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP) had revoked their previous decision to boycott the PLO's Executive Committee meetings.

Two more women abducted in occupied Afrin
Just a week ago, 32-year-old pregnant Nemat Bahjat Sheikho bled to death after suffering torture at the headquarters of the Turkish intelligence service. The aftermath of her husband, who had been abducted with her, remains unknown.

Women make up less than 18% of candidates in Japan general election
Of the 1,051 candidates contesting the 465 seats in the House of Representatives, the powerful lower chamber of parliament, only 186 are women, down 23 from the previous election in 2017. By political party, the Japanese Communist Party has the largest share of women among its 130 candidates at 35.4 percent. Meanwhile, women only make up 33, or 9.8 percent, of the ruling Liberal Democratic Party's 336 candidates.

Vox weaves an anti-communist alliance in Latin America | International
Integrists (Catholics and evangelicals), neocons and ultra-liberals, right-wing populists and nostalgic for military dictatorships make up the anti-communist alliance that the Spanish Vox party is weaving in Latin America. Eduardo Bolsonaro, son and political heir of the Brazilian president; Keiko Fujimori, former presidential candidate in Peru; or José Antonio Kast, leader of the Chilean Republican Party, who opposed repealing the Pinochet Constitution, are some of the most prominent figures in this heterogeneous conglomerate to which he joins his visceral rejection of leftist governments, both authoritarian and democratic.
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Will they fall? Will the Arabs become victorious over the evil evil evil evil evil evil evil evil evil evil evil evil evil evil evil evil evil evil Zionists?
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Defend Gonzalo Megathread

[Edit: 'Defend Gonzalo' Megathread]
The victors of the Syrian civil war share pride for the legacy of Chairman Gonzalo, the Syrian people morn the death of Chairman Gonzalo who synthesised Maoism akin to Stalin synthesising Marxism Leninism.

The Syrian people and sectors of the army realign to Maoism and are militarising for victory. Our Praxis was defeating the US, Nato and UN.

People's war to world socialism, cultural revolution to world communism.
We are building a Maoist Military
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Anti Nazi Thread

Post the best pictures you got.

I like to see what others have and we need a thread to combine all the good materials.
Here I concentrated on the fact that Pol-Cel Nazis can literally not read more then 50 characters of text and are proud of it.

For these idiots everything must be a "meme" or have a "joke". Pol-cels are oblivious to the fact that others are giving them information and knowledge not jokes or memes.

Did anyone else observe this behavior from Pol-Cels ?
These idiots are unable to read children literature let alone anything important.

It looks like daddy Hitler hates people who can read or have attention spans greater then ADHD gold fish.
I never imagine the ability to have a attention span or read more then 50 characters of text will ever be something that I need to argue for. However here we are !
And this is no slander you cab go to /pol/ and engage these idiots yourself.
Of course it is like going to a zoo to look at the stupid animals.
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1990s Eastern European genocide thread

Never forget what the porkies did to us.

And remember that Russia has a good situation, since Russians only emigrate in small numbers and they received immigrants from all the FSU after 1991. In other countries, especially the ones that are EU members, it's even worse.
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Like my third China thread, China isn’t in a housing crisis

TLDR rual population is still moving to cities.
That’s it that’s actually the answer, you would think with so many ghost towns there’s bound to be a housing surplus but in actuality only around 60% of the population is urban leaving a 40% still living in unindustrialized rice farms and hence there’s plenty of room available for massive growth under the belief that the CCP government still gives a shit about modernizing China post Mao and learning to innovate on its own. And here’s a source
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Explain Nepal

I hear a lot of bullshit about Gonzalo this, Gonzalo that, but he's dead. Meanwhile, the Maoists in Nepal control the democratically-elected government. What gives?
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Why are billionaires drinking African spinal fluid

What is the purpose of drinking the body fluids of African children when these people can just age normally as living past 80 is pretty natural especially with modern healthcare instead of being so lenient of staying young?
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Let's talk about marketing and PR trends that makes you angry, concerned, revolted or feel violated. Hopefully we can get a few studies, leaked policies or other educational posts in here too so it's not another vapid pseud-fest like the last few popular threads.

The whole concept of marketing is a subcategory of manipulation. The intention is to change your perception of a brand to increase sales and therefore profits. One part of marketing is the way a company and its workers will communicate with people, frequently leading to insincere assertions and creepy cult-like trends. I'd like to see discussed cases where companies have developed obsessed 'fanboys' or an almost religious cult, and understand how they do it.

There are probably technical terms for these things and I'll like to hear them. Think of ideas like:
> We're a family
< Your friends at [company]
< We care about your privacy
> Personification of inanimate objects
< "Meet [this product]" uygha it's a fucking computer chip
< "Hey Google"/"Hey Alexa"
< Windows 10+ using words like "we" to humanize a computer program
> Illusion of empowerment
< Enjoy [x]… Your Way
< "Made for you." (to describe a mass-produced phone that allows you to choose from a few colors)
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Hilo general Latinoamérica--LatAm general thread

The other thread was full.
Anything Latinoamérica related, let's unite in discussion while the CIA-funded military hasn't decide to torture us to death for the time being.
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Internet Imperialism In The Third World

Did you know Facebook gave internet to third world countries without it? The catch was they only had access to Facebook and a select hand full of websites. No net-neutrality whatsoever. When Indonesians were asked if "the internet is Facebook" 61% said yes.


Facebook is making bank off this investment. It could be the future in the first world as well. What do you think?
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János Kornai died

If you weren't aware, this economist nyukkha had a wild life:
>post-ww2 he joins the Hungarian communist party because… he's a joo himself, and the most openly anti-nazi party in that time was the commie party
>he pretends to be a diehard commie, up until the point when he learns that under Rákosi several of his collegues were tortured to shit
>add onto this 1956, which he views as a propah revolution, and his faith in the party withers
<Kádár era (goulash communism) starts
>this nyukkah gets several state funds, gets officially acknowledged as a talented dude
>he shitposts a book titled The Economics of Shortage in the 80's wherein he "proves" that soviet-style economics will "always" result in shortages, queues, and so on
>book gets translated to twenty billion languages
>regime change happens
>he goes mask off, starts shilling muh free private enterprise. etc.
>several decades later dies, yet still cites the influence of Marx & Engels as crucialto his personal development
RIP, faggot…
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How many of you have actually lived in a "anti-capitalist" community (i.e. a socialist state, an anarchist commune, etc.) ? What was your experience in this community?
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Hungarian Thread for /voros/ refugees

Második felvonás!
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/leftypol/ Opinion on Stocks

What is the /leftypol/ opinion on stocks and the stock market? Do you own any stocks yourself? If so, which ones?
>inb4 stocks are… LE BAD
why do you think so?
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Can someone explain to me what the actual fuck is going on in Beirut….and the entire world in general, it's like everybody want to go to war WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON ?
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How the hell is this website still alive

>developed in a 3rd world country in the fucking 90s
>gore, cartoonish displays of violence, sexual assault and blatant xenophobia, and documents on CIA and NATOs influence in foreign affairs perfectly allowed
>barely makes any actual revenue meaning it’s moderation team is almost nonexistent
>so moronically dogshit to the point that it got attention from fucking chan users
How has this site survived for so fucking long, it’s not even popular in nigeria
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They won’t die but there certainly gonna reform drastically

Important notes

Neoliberalism isn’t gonna survive past next decade, and when I say it’s not gonna survive I mean it’s gonna die globally not even in the USA it’s just too inefficient as a form of capitalism meaning what’s next is either a return to libertarian policies or fascism for most capitalist states with France already bordering fascism

The USA won’t dissolve as a state(you’d be surprised at how fucked a country needs to get to even reach that point without foreigners trying to annex the country) but the bourgeoisie of that country is gonna have to prepare for massive losses because the recent mass strikes and labour epidemics is reflecting an oncoming trend of increasing resentment for the rich in general and shows how far worker abuse can realistically go before capitalists can no longer exploit proles before either losing influence or becoming fascistic, a trend that’s been documented for years now as more Americans than ever identify as socialists, want the wealthy to pay heavier taxation and most of how public services in the USA to be either reformed or abolished. The future for them is gonna be fascistic because based off American history that’s pretty standard but it’s also likely that they will receive some sort of improved social welfare and living standards as American cities naturally grow and more rural Americans migrate to them
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/webm/ thread 3.0.

first thread: >>>/leftypol_archive/9920
last thread (>>361470) hit the bump limit, so i'm thinking to start a new one

post /lefty/ videos here! we welcome .webm and .mp4, and others
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I am getting transgender news only from right wing sources apparently and because I feel gay rights and transgender rights are fully promoted and being used to suppress other rights by neoliberals (I dont have any problem with any of those, I just feel they take massive air time and discussion time, like how the holocaust is only about jews disregarding the other half massacred and being used by Israel to suppress criticism) I am feeling a bit reactionary on the topic lately. Maybe it just that I am fed too much propaganda in all honesty.

What is the definite book or even good written article that I should read on gay/transgender (are those called identity) rights. Thank you.
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South Asia and Desi General

A general thread for all South Asian related discussion.
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/leftydeutschpol/ - Deutschland General

Letzter Pfaden wurde dank der /Pol/acken vom Brett gepusht. Deshalb ein neues Deutschland General.
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Esoteric Hitlerism General: AFAP Edition (ALL FASCISTS ARE PEDOS)

This is the thread dedicated to researching, discussing, exploring, and laughing at, that element of the far right which we have come to term "esoteric hitlerist" but more broadly a thread for documenting the extreme right.

To sum up, as it says in the title, this entire strand of thought is more or less an intelligence operation carried out mostly by pedophiles, with a strong satanic/ esoteric influence. On top of this, there are several interesting connections to these operations and operatives and Zionism.

The purpose of these operations, as are the purpose of all CIA operations, is to suppress and destroy the real movement that abolishes the present state of things, the mass movement organised workers, the socialist and communist movement.

What follows is a series of links, references and thoughts which document this feature of capitalist hegemony.

Link to last thread archive:


The thread from which it was born:


If anybody has the thread inbetween those archived that would be wonderful, all the info is copied into that first link but some of the discussion was good and bants.

Fresh Material courtesy of a Based Anon:



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Sayyid Qutb, the father of modern salafi jihadism, see any two bit mullah could rile up an uneducated peasant into blowing himself up but Qutb created a comprehensive and revamped version of jihadism made for the inteligencia and upper class society

>Qutb never married, in part because of his steadfast religious convictions. While the urban Egyptian society he lived in was becoming more Westernized, Qutb believed the Quran taught women that 'Men are the managers of women's affairs …'[37] Qutb lamented to his readers that he was never able to find a woman of sufficient "moral purity and discretion" and had to reconcile himself to bachelorhood.[38]

>Qutb noted with disapproval the openly displayed sexuality of American women:

>the American girl is well acquainted with her body's seductive capacity. She knows it lies in the face, and in expressive eyes, and thirsty lips. She knows seductiveness lies in the round breasts, the full buttocks, and in the shapely thighs, sleek legs – and she shows all this and does not hide it, These curvy jezebels then pursue boys with wide, strapping chests and ox muscles

>He also commented on the American taste in arts:

>The American is primitive in his artistic taste, both in what he enjoys as art and in his own artistic works. "Jazz" music is his music of choice. This is that music that the Negroes invented to satisfy their primitive inclinations, as well as their desire to be noisy on the one hand and to excite bestial tendencies on the other. The American's intoxication in "jazz" music does not reach its full completion until the music is accompanied by singing that is just as coarse and obnoxious as the music itself. Meanwhile, the noise of the instruments and the voices mounts, and it rings in the ears to an unbearable degree… The agitation of the multitude increases, and the voices of approval mount, and their palms ring out in vehement, continuous applause that all but deafens the ears

based or cringe
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So I get a a vast majority of billionaires make their billions via stolen wages.

But what about people who make billions but who don't have any employees, like the best sportsmen, entertainers, those who sell a digital product, etc.

Is it ethical to be a billionaire who didn't steal wages to make their billions?
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AI is going to be smarter than humans soon

AI is going to be smarter than humans soon it will be super human.

According to Microsoft "We live in a time where AI advancements are far outpacing Moore’s law."


Moore's law is about 41.3% growth a year or about 2.93% a month.

So AI ability is growing FASTER than that. AI could be getting 60+% better a year hell Ray Kurzweils statement of "doubling every 10 months" could be true.

If AI is getting better that fast and can already do a bunch of basic things how long until it can do everything, not long I say.
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Kshama Recall

>Opponents of Kshama Sawant have spent months collecting thousands of signatures in an attempt to unseat the council member, who became the first socialist on the Seattle council in nearly a century after she beat a Democrat in 2013. Last week, the recall effort officially qualified for an election in December.
>The attempt to oust Sawant during her third term was based on claims that she opened city hall to demonstrators during a protest, disregarding Covid-19 restrictions, used city resources for a “Tax Amazon” effort and led a march to Seattle mayor Jenny Durkan’s home despite the address being protected under state confidentiality laws.
>“I think the fact that it is happening now obviously has a lot to do with our Marxist approach and the way we have used our position so effectively, absolutely refusing to be marginalized and at the same time absolutely refusing to sell out … In that context we should expect attacks like this,” she said.
>The recall proponents have raised over $637,000, while the Kshama Solidarity Campaign has raised over $687,000, according to the Seattle ethics and elections commission.
Porky is trying to purge the only elected communist official in Burgerland, again. This time they made the recall election in December, which is not on election day and is expected to have less turnout as a result.
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IS this shit real or fake and gay?

I will admit when I went shopping last time there was less rice and bottled water but other than that things are normal in my east coast town.
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The John Deere strike and the UAW’s lies
>The UAW is working consciously and systematically to isolate and defeat the strike by more than 10,000 John Deere workers after failing to ram through a concessions contract.

It is very clear, growing discontent is developing among almost every section of the workers. While the unions are working to sabotage the struggle, the workers are seeking a way out. Good work John Deere workers.
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Is anything actually gonna get better

The planets gonna face some kind of revolution or massive change that stops the decades old problems of modern life this century right? It won’t just become a bigger dystopia than it is now
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🐖🇪🇺🐷/EUROpol/ - Europe Politics general💶

Can we get a europe general?
I'm kinda curious what's going on in the countries of my fellow europeans, but I feel like having a general for each separate country, with each speaking their own language segregates us further fellow euro brothers and sisters.

So dump news, banter, events, feels, and so on and so on
Let's create a better general than /USApol/

Reposting this from the bunker cause why not, it's been a while since the last one
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Consensus on welfare?

I might sound like a socdem but I personally have enjoyed it for the last year and a half. Food stamps, social security, stimulus checks etc. What is leftypols opinion on it?
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/crisis/ General

💰️DOW/Market Watch Thread💰️
monitoring the market, trends, fluctuations, etc.
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Our enemies are (mostly) retarted

Even in the darkest hour of reaction, their is one thing that we can be optimistic about. Our class enemies by in large are fucking retarded. Most business owners, and ceos, are basically just small business owners and ceos who just won popularity contests. Most of the people who in managment in coroporations are extremly dull, and completly lack strategic thinking. THye are all living day to day and thinking day to day, about what resturant they want to eat at, or if their kid got good school grades, or what car they want to buy. They aren't strategic thinkers. If you want evidence just go talk to you manager for a little bit, every job I've had they were all extremely dull, many of them simply lacked the mental capabilities to properly do their job, and had assistant managers or other helpers who did all their work for them. If anecdotal evidence isn't enough then just look at MySpace, all of the people their just ignored the signs that their company was dying, and just went about their days until they all got jobs somewhere else. Or look at how oblivious the roman empire was to its own collapse, or gorby ignoring the failure of his reforms, or how nazi germany and imperal japan kept denying that they were loosing WW2. All of these people did what they did because they were retards who didn't know what the effects of their actions were. They weren't visionary thinkers or people who analyzed history. They were just a bunch of stumbling idiots. Their is nothing to suggest that the CEOs of the world are different, and their empire will collapse around them as they through parties in their castles, like all emperors of dying empires in history that have came before them.
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What are your takeaways from the Soviet Union?

Name at least three things you've learned through the USSR's existence. This could be either something that was done successfully or a mistake to be learned from.
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Africa General #2

Because the last one keeps getting to 500 posts, then 1 post get's deleted and someone necro-bumps the 499 post thread and I'm sick of it.

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News 10/18/21

Thousands march in El Salvador demanding resignation of President Nayib Bukele
Anger has risen against the 40-year-old president’s rule, which opponents say has become increasingly authoritarian in character. They have raised objections to the adoption of the notoriously volatile bitcoin as legal tender, warning that it will plunge El Salvador’s flagging economy into an even deeper economic crisis.

Reintegration of Colombia’s former guerrillas threatened: UN
The reintegration of demobilized FARC guerrillas is being threatened by ongoing violence and the failure of Colombia’s government to provide farmland, the United Nations said Thursday. Speaking before the UN Security Council, mission chief Carlos Ruiz urged the government of President Ivan Duque to fully implement the 2016 peace deal.

Azerbaijan wants World Court to order Armenia to hand over landmine maps
Azerbaijan on Monday asked the World Court to order neighbouring Armenia to hand over maps it says show the location of landmines on its territory, while the judges consider tit-for-tat claims that the other side violated an anti-discrimination treaty.

Italy's unions rally against neo-fascist groups after violent protests
Italy's biggest workers' unions rallied in Rome on Saturday and called on the government to dissolve the neo-fascist groups involved in last weekend's violent protests against the COVID-19 health pass. Last week, police arrested 12 people, including leaders of the extreme right-wing group Forza Nuova, after thousands took to the streets to oppose mandatory 'green passes' for all workers.

Court of Appeal rules against Stuart Delivery in gig-economy case
FIRMS exploiting workers in the so-called gig economy suffered a huge blow today after the Court of Appeal ruled that refusal to pay the minimum wage, sick pay, holiday pay and other entitlements is unlawful. The case involved food courier company Stuart Delivery, whose corporate clients include Pizza Hut, JustEat, McDonald’s, KFC, Nespresso and Ocado, was brought independently by courier Warren Augustine.

Colin Powell: Former US secretary of state and Iraq war proponent dies
Colin Powell, the former US secretary of state and one of the most prominent officials to push for the 2003 invasion of Iraq, died on Monday at the age of 84 from Covid-19 complications, his family announced. “General Colin L. Powell, former US Secretary of State and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, passed away this morning due to complications from Covid-19,” the family wrote on Facebook.

UP: Farmers Occupy Tracks During ‘Rail Roko’, Many Leaders Arrested
Undeterred by preventive arrests of farmer leaders, the threat of invoking National Security Act and imposition of Section 144 to prevent assembly of more than four persons, the ‘rail roko’ call by Samyukt Kisan Morcha drew a good response in Uttar Pradesh, where four farmers were mowed down on October 3.

Cadres Of CPI (Maoist) Clash With Security Forces For Second Time In Malkangiri District
Security forces have recovered a huge cache of arms and ammunition following a fresh exchange of fire with armed cadres of the CPI (Maoist) in Tulasi mountain area within Mathili police limits in Malkangiri district on Friday. This is the second major haul as part of an ongoing area domination operation by District Voluntary Forces (DVF), Special Operations Group (SOG) and Border Security Forces(BSF) on the Odisha-Chhattisgarh border.

China did not test hypersonic nuclear missile, foreign ministry says
China has denied reports that it recently tested a nuclear-capable hypersonic missile, saying it was only carrying out routine test flights in a bid to recycle spacecraft to reduce exploration costs. “This was a routine test of a space vehicle to verify the technology of their reusability,” Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian told a regular briefing in Beijing on Monday.

Despite Outcry, Japanese Prime Minister Urges Swift Release of Fukushima Wastewater Into Sea
A South Korean official on Monday denounced Japanese Prime Minister Fumio Kishida's call to begin releasing contaminated wastewater from the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant into the sea starting in 2023. Kishida, who took office last month, visited the plant over the weekend and said the plan to release more than one million tonnes of water into the sea over 30 years should not be delayed.
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/nordpol/ - Nordic General - Skåneutgåvan

Thread for all things Nordic. Recommended languages: Finnish, Scandinavian and English.
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Just as we have rejected anglo propaganda about Stalin and lenin, should we also reject anglo propaganda about Pol Pot?

He was basically a socialist who wanted to build his country in peace so anglos made up lies about a supposed "genocide". Sound familiar?
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/DPRK/ - Democratic People's Republic of Korea General

Thread for news and discussions of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, its material conditions, the status and health of its socialist tradition, disproving common myths about it, etc.

Archive of the previous DPRK thread:
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Why do people flee Cuba?

I know the scum elite escaped to the US in the 60's and in the 90s with the death of USSR Cuba went through some bad shit and people had to flee, but why do nowadays that still happens?
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fuckers have finally lost their fucking shit theyre gonna send the entire planet into another cold war.

>The United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) has announced a new group that will focus solely on China and the strategic challenges posed by Beijing.

>In a statement on Thursday, the CIA said the China Mission Center was formed “to address the global challenge posed by the People’s Republic of China that cuts across all of the agency’s mission areas”

<The group is just one of fewer than a dozen mission centres operated by the CIA and will hold weekly, director-level meetings meant to better coordinate the agency’s strategy towards China.

<It will address global issues critical to US competitiveness, the CIA said, such as emerging technologies, economic security, climate change and health challenges.

>CIA Director William Burns said the new mission centre “will further strengthen our collective work on the most important geopolitical threat we face in the 21st century, an increasingly adversarial Chinese government”.

“Throughout our history, CIA has stepped up to meet whatever challenges come our way,” Burns said in a statement on Thursday. “And now facing our toughest geopolitical test in a new era of great power rivalry, CIA will be at the forefront of this effort.”

>The announcement comes amid a wider prioritisation by the administration of President Joe Biden on countering Beijing.

>In June, Biden announced a new task force at the Pentagon to assess and respond to Beijing’s military challenge.

<Relations between the two superpowers have been particularly strained in recent days with China flying military planes near the self-governed island of Taiwan. However, a US official said on Wednesday that Biden and Chinese President Xi Jinping are expected to hold a virtual meeting by the end of this year.

>China is considered an especially difficult challenge for the US intelligence community given the insularity of its Communist Party leadership, its large military and security services, and its development in advanced technologies that can counter spying.

>Underscoring the challenge, the CIA recently sent a memo to its agents around the world admitting that it was experiencing a shortage of informants from other countries, with some captured or killed, the New York Times and the Washington Post reported.

>The CIA and FBI recently unearthed dozens of cases of China recruiting US citizens to supply it classified or corporate proprietary information, as well as instances of Chinese citizens working in the US as intelligence collectors.

>The CIA also announced on Thursday that it will designate a chief technology officer for the first time as part of a broader effort to implement advanced computing methods at the agency.
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Unemployment is good

Although I’m not described as an avid supporter of capitalism by those around me in this thread I’ll argue that unemployment can actually be beneficial to a state

For one thing the reason why unemployment occurs is do to shortages of capital or because potential workers aren’t actually qualified for their jobs, this is surprisingly the most accurate reasons despite modern capitalism’s flaws as it’s been documented that most engineers in India and China aren’t qualified for their positions explaining as to why innovation is so slow there compared to the USA Britain and France despite the difference in the population of professional workers. As for the rest of the labour force it’s the same situation which is why in modern times so many employers both private and public are looking specifically experienced older workers.
For another having more workers doesn’t necessitate more revenue especially when it comes to societies with productive tools like construction and factory equipment or computers and printers, the more productive a tool becomes it naturally forms its own costs from maintenance repairs or simply developing the tool to begin with and when the potential costs for operating said productive tools overlap how much revenue is produced it’ll get cut and so will jobs, this happens regardless if wether or not the employer is part of a corporation small buissness government owned institution etc and honestly that’s justifiable as well.
In the end the right to work is only justified under the presumption that the labour produced overcomes the costs to produce the good that labour made as too many unqualified and expensive workers can ruin any body of society regardless of how large including the federal government if drastic measures aren’t taken to reduce costs and raise per capita productivity
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/ita/ - Spaghetti Communism

A grande richiesta e dopo un'inutile e penosa scissione, rieccoci.sandinistaSandinista
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Well my suspicions from my last China thread are confirmed

Too much spending in the wrong areas with not enough revenue is fucking over China. What the hell is xi gonna do to fix a problem like this? Build more cities and factories, just sell more random shit exclusively between Chinese states, fellas give me something because this is gonna have dire affects for other countries whose trading partners are China and not the tyrannical regime that is NATO
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Name a country more cucked.
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Stalin motivator thread

Having a nihilistic existential crisis? Feel like your work, being exploited by porkie, can't be used for yourself? Have huge shitlists, lots of vendettas and revenge fantasies you can't fulfil yet?

Joseph Stalin was there. Joseph Stalin believes in you. So believe in Joseph Stalin. These excerpts from biographies about Stalin remind us to WORK STEEL HARD for ONLY ourselves and the future revolution.

< The contours of Joseph's later personality were already disclosing themselves. He was dedicated to self-improvement through daily study. His capacity for HARD WORK, whenever such WORK was useful, was IMMENSE.

- Service, 2004

<Stalin brutally, artfully, INDEFATIGABLY indefatigably BUILT a personal dictatorship within the Bolshevik dictatorship. Then he LAUNCHED and saw through a bloody socialist remaking of the entire former empire, presided over a victory in the greatest war in human history, and took the Soviet Union to the epicentre of global affairs. More than for any other historical figure, even Gandhi or Churchill, a biography of Stalin… eventually comes to approximate a history of the world.

- Kotkin, 2014, page 4

<Perhaps the best that could be said about Oddball, Pockmarked Oska, and Koba the Priest was that he was the quintessential AUTODIDACT, NEVER CEASING TO READ, no doubt as solace, but also because he remained DETERMINED to IMPROVE and ADVANCE himself.

- Kotkin, 2014, page 117

>Trotsky famously wrote that "Stalin did not create the apparatus. The apparatus created him".

<This was exactly backwards. Stalin CREATED the apparatus, and it was a COLOSSAL FEAT… To be sure, we shall see him learning on the job, committing significant mistakes, and it would be a while before he emerged as the recognised Leader (vozhd') not just of the party but of the country. But he demonstrated SURPASSING ORGANIZATION ABILITIES, a MAMMOTH APPETITE FOR WORK, a strategic mind an unscrupulousness that recalled his master teacher, Lenin.
- Kotkin, 2014, page 424

<Mikoyan added that "Stalin at that time WORKED WITH ALL HIS STRENGTH.. He was in top form, which elicited respect and his manner and behavior elicited sympathy"

- Kotkin, 2014, page 465

<Certainly they had come to understand he tended to be thin-skinned and VINDICTIVE but they also saw a DRIVEN, INEXHAUSTIBLE, TOUGH-MINDED and skilled WORKHORSE leader of the party…"

- Kotkin, 2014, page 597

<Stalin's January 15, 1928, departure had occured almost simultaneously with Trotsky's forced deportation from Moscow. Each had come to himself via the other other: two very differently capable disciples of Lenin, both from the imperial borderlands, but one self-consciously intellectual, having studied a bit at a university in Ukraine, the other even MORE AN AUTODIDACT, with several years of study at an Orthodox seminary in Georgia

- Kotkin, 2014, page 676

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From a Marxist perspective, what are the origins of Patriarchy?

(This is not an identity politics or feminism vs. anti-feminism debate thread. Please don't use it as such.)

Why have women always been subjugated in some way or another? What are the material roots of this sex-based social hierarchy that has permeated virtually all human societies throughout history, and what actions should we as socialists undertake to achieve equality between the sexes?

There was a brief discussion about this in the prostitution thread, but it quickly got buried between all the other conversations going on at the same time. Feel free to share your thoughts - maybe we can come to some sort of conclusion here.
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Chairman Foster passed away 60 years ago today (September 1, 1961) in the USSR.

Say something nice about him whether you're CPUSA or not.
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ecology/climate change thread

a thread to discuss anything on your mind related to the interconnected crisis of the three

I've been thinking about the viability of nuclear power
I am unconvinced that solar and wind are viable options for 100 % of the grid 100% of the time, anti nuclear types always say solar and wind is cheaper but they don't seem to account for storage costs, forgetting about money, solar power has a energy return on investment that is a lot lower than nuclear, storage has energy losses, requires rare earth minerals in many cases and in the case of battery storage we don't have enough lithium to that for more than a few decades (if that), and living next to a giant storage battery seems like a something that could be extremely dangerous (you are betting your life on alkali metal staying separate from the moisture in the air).

but at the same time
no reactor can be completely immune to accidents, the cost of those accidents is the affected area could become unlivable for many life times, if nuclear is the main power source for all or most countries at least someone somewhere will cut corners.

I've read articles that state that our proven uranium reserves amount to little more than five years worth at 100% nuclear,
things like thorium, breeder reactors (is every country having plutonium a good thing?) and seawater uranium extraction either have big problems or a just things that might happen, can we bet everything on solutions that aren't yet proven?
what do you guys think?
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Can we talk about the "metaverse"?

I was thinking about putting this in /games/, but I seriously think this could have consequences beyond that.
So the long and short of it is: tech companies are unironically LARPing about constructing something similar to The Matrix (?), and it's driving weird amounts of investor hype. I'll provide a few examples and explain why this might be an important development. Oddly, this seems to have penetrated tech/gaming markets in both America and China.
There's not really a short way to describe this weird outgrowth of contemporary investor capitalism without a long post so bear with me.

"The company announced its new metaverse-based online game that merges virtual with actual reality. Online, every gamer can become a unique brewing master in the China of 100 years ago. When going offline, gamers can pick up the spirits they conjured up whilst gaming online… The bulletin has stirred up quite a sensation in the capital market, pushing up metaverse-related stocks."
That example should, I suppose, tell you a little about what this is.

There was an article in the CPC's China Daily, which basically shat on the concept and called it fantasy:
Nonetheless, investors don't seem swayed… hype continues.

There's this article in The Verge clarifying some things, such as that this is related to cryptocurrency NFTs in some way, and this idea originated in dystopian sci-fi fiction (lol). It's not uncommon to see media trying to hype up the concept referencing the children's movie Ready Player One… oddly enough.
Also it's surprisingly candid here:
"A more cynical spin is that “metaverse” lets companies dodge negative baggage associated with “the internet” in general and social media in particular. “As long as you can make technology seem fresh and new and cool, you can avoid regulation,” researcher Joan Donovan told The Washington Post in a recent article about Facebook and the metaverse."

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Was Khrushchev's de-stalinization process justified? Or it ended up destroying the legitimacy of Stalin's (and by extension the USSR) deeds and contributions to the Revolution and WWII among communist parties worldwide? Wouldn't have been better a 70% good 30% bad position like in Mao's case?
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Hey uh guys

I’m planning on writing and releasing a publically available paper(in the form of a txt file) on the systems that define how wealth is built up in human settlements and how governments should react to how price and revenue can evolve over time, is there any suggestions you have?
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Oh fuck I'm scared guys


>Take your vaccine or you can't go to work

Ok, I took my vaccine

>Ok, well now you need to take a second one, just to seal the deal

>6 months later

>Oh no, it appears the vaccines effectiveness is wearing off! You better come in and get your booster shot or you can't go shopping!

Ok, took my booster

>6 Months later

>Ok well the booster wore off, and we, well have some bad news for you. It looks like you're immuno deficient. Looks like you're going to need to come and get your booster shot every 6 months for the rest of your life of you might day of a common cold! It's like AIDS, but it's totally not our fault! It's the unvaccinateds fault!

Haha enjoy your myocartitus, don't worry, pfizer has medication for that too but it costs 300 dollars a bottle!
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Material analysis of SERIAL KILLERS

Are serial killers a product of the barbarism of class society?
Are serial killers due to war propaganda?
Or are serial killers from primal barbarism and represent some of the natural violent urges of the predatory animal aspect of homo sapiens?
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Imported propapganda from the Third Reich

What kind of false information does the US and the rest of the world believe that originates from the Nazis?
Is it true that the Holodomor myth got off the ground largely because of Goebbels et al. or was it mostly due to other sources?
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State oriented capitalism

To what extent is state oriented capitalism superior to totally laissez faire capitalism? It seems like state oriented, mercantilist, and big business based capitalism is far superior to "free market" type "small business" capitalism.

I mean capitalist governance with high levels of public investment in higher education, basic science, or military R&D which are often appropriated by the public sector, large corporations which have their existence and jobs guaranteed by contracts from the federal government, and some level of public planning. The US already half way does this with "military Keynesianism" and the MIC. Similarly east asian economies like Japan/SK/Singapore have elements of this as well.

The only think lassiez faire market economies seem to produce is neocolonial tier economies based on resource extraction and agriculture. You can even see this within countries like the US where democrat states like California have good universities like the University of California system, many of which are considered to be public equivalents of the prestigious Ivy League, feeders to Silicon valley, the defense industry, etc.

Meanwhile you have places like Kansas and Louisiana trying to do low taxes and no regulations which just ends up with a polluted environment with oil companies dumping their waste into the swamps or w/e. The relationship between "blue" Keynesian states with high value added industries like engineering, entertainment, etc. and red states based on agriculture and oil is the closest to a colonial relation that can happen in one country.

Is there literally any reason other than 19th century larping autism why capitalists don't try to go for the former model rather than the latter? Even tons of silicon valley techs are based on public research or that of major conglomerates (EX: xerox parc), not some idealized vision of a mom and pop shop.

If capitalism must exist then why shouldn't massive corporations be prioritized over mom and pop petit booj's? They're more efficient and produce more innovations anyway, even a small startup will eventually become bigger if they succeed not some small business barely surviving payroll to payroll for 20 years.
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/energy crisis/

Why is Europe, Middle East, South and East Asia (including China), and the US running out of gas/petrol and the prices are increasing?

>LONDON, Oct 14 (Reuters) - A global energy crunch is expected to boost oil demand by 500,000 barrels per day (bpd) and could stoke inflation and slow the world's recovery from the COVID-19 pandemic, the International Energy Agency (IEA) said on Thursday.

>Oil and natural gas prices have soared to multi-year highs recently, sending power prices surging to record levels as widespread energy shortages hit Asia and Europe.

Why is the world using so much more ENERGY?. India and China are running out of natural gas and coal? UK running out of petroleum?

<October 12, 2021 - As the world emerges from the coronavirus pandemic, reopening economies are driving a huge rebound for power demand. But natural gas is in short supply, creating shortfalls at a time when wind and hydro have been unreliable in some regions. Europe and Asia have been hit the worst, with skyrocketing markets, blackouts in places like India, power shortages in China and the threat of outages in other countries. Energy prices are also soaring in the U.S., though not to the same extremes.

<The situation is driving up coal demand around the world, and in the U.S., utilities are cranking up aging power plants and miners are digging up as much as they can.

<The shift means that coal will supply about 24% of U.S. electricity this year, after falling to 20% in 2020, an historic low after years of efforts to push utilities toward clean power and amid cheap natural gas supplies. That resurgence may look even more extreme when the Energy Department releases its latest monthly report Wednesday.

The only reason the US is coping is because it's not green and is just increasing coal production and fracking oil.
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>Based on correlations, Blacks have lower IQ
<Based on correlations, your autistic son costed you 60,000 dollars just last year!
>We only base our information on poor uneducated farmers, rather than anyone else.
<We only base our information on five year old children, but not adults
>Nurture? B- But, muh Skulls
<Double Empathy? B- But, muh Chris Chan memes.

Cure culture is pretty much just more Idpol.
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QTDDTOT - Questions that don't need their own thread. The last one died, so here post your questions here.

I'll start, why is a centralized authority important to achieving communism and why is this seen a positive aspect.
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US empire as cartoonish evil

Is it fair to say world war II didn't end with the defeat of fascism, but simply internationalized fascism? Is it fair to say America is returning back to the pre-1990s dictatorship model for the world now that the neoliberal order has failed so fucking badly? Could we see anything as bad as what we saw under Ronnie Raygun (pic related)?
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Finally a real vaccine that benefits humanity.
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Welp edition
Live Updates: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Global Tracker: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
The mod team asks you to please limit all covid discourse outside the mainstream media (vaccine skepticism, mask non-compliance, etc..) to this thread
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What will be the next happenings? Place your predictions.

Hard Mode: No USA, no China

Also talk about known upcoming events such as elections, strikes, protests and other junk. The Chilean election is coming up in six weeks (21 November 2021) so that might be fun.
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What if I'm an ultra urbanite cosmopolitan? I don't want to eliminate the distinction between country and town, I want ultraurban ultratechnological cyberpunk version of socialism.

I like cities. I like steel, glass, concrete, and towering buildings. I think rural towns and suburbs are sprawl and are a waste of space and its better to have urban density with walkable neighborhoods and public transit, mainly subways/rail. Let the rural areas rewild, and bulldoze the suburbs, let everyone live in a modernized version of gommieblocks but as humane, green, and aesthetically designed as possible. High speed rail can connect various cities and replace most domestic air travel.

Cities have interesting life. The mass nature of population in cities gives anonymity, and therefore freedom, a concept most channers are familiar with. Small towns breed small minds, cities are where the weird kids can go and be accepted. Cities have places young people can congregate, museums, opera halls, sports venues, orchestras, more interesting work. The great lie is that cities atomize people. Wrong - Cities humanize, rural areas atomize.

Shitting on cities is burger propaganda made by Thomas Jeffreson a slaveholder rapist centuries ago, even though he had no problem living in Paris for years, simply because he thought urban life was decadent and therefore detracted from "republican virtue". I'd rather have this than some primitivist bullshit where we have to give up modern conveniences and go to the country and farm the land or some bullshit.

My ancestors had to cut down sugarcane for rich guys for like 16 hours a day, they didn't go through that BS just so I could do the literal exact same thing voluntarily because some retarded teenage polpot larper probably living in the global north where the temperature never goes above 24, decided people would be better off farming in the hot sun and air condition is a sin. (and thats before global warming makes even more of the planet ungodly hot)

I don't give a fuck if you call it neoliberal, or whatever cope you want. The idea of back to the country is reactionary and I'd rather be dead than live out in the middle of nowhere with some hinterlands savages who would probably take a shit on my lawn for not being in their religion or believing in their weird superstitions.

Ultraurbanism is the future and the way to go under socialism
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2nd Nigeria thread, Lagos is a human experiement

I’m not sure how they did it but technically that city is the most populated on the planet with only the greater Tokyo Bay Area being a rival, I’ve heard stories of civilians that wake up as early as 4am to get to work if it means avoiding traffic or the entire city being divided into 16 different smaller states each run by different mayors whose religious and ethnic backgrounds can vary wildly. The population of that place used to be 17 million but I’m not sure wtf happened because it exploded to 24 in a space of only around 1.1 thousand km meaning the population density of that city is over 2 times larger than New York with 3 times the population, this might be one of the only cities on the planet besides Tokyo to ever reach this late stage in development and that brings me the question, as this city grows what type of more horrors will humanity discover about the human condition as mega cities grow larger and more dense. At what point can cities grow so large that the citizens in it can be regarded as particles flowing through a network of a larger industrial complex???
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WTF Henry Kissinger is anti-imperialist for China now, we must support one struggle!
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When we achieve revolution and have the power how will we deal with gaming? The negative impact this has had on society that it is exposed to is astronomical.

What propositions do you have to put forth?
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Russian Thread

Please come back Rusanon Comrades! Save us from the polyp and lolbert raids.

Я вас категорически приветствую.

- A westoid who misses you.
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/SEA/ - Southeast Asia General

5th Edition: Real succdem hour edition

Discuss anything on Southeast Asian politics. Elections, open orgs, Myanmar breaking apart or just random shit. There’r still dozens of us… hopefully!

Matrix room: https://matrix.to/#/!YeYeuZuLSYkegWssey:matrix.org?via=matrix.org

Last threads:
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>Spain's Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez pledged on Sunday to outlaw prostitution in the country.

>Speaking to supporters at the end of his Socialist Party's three-day congress in Valencia, Mr Sanchez said that the practice "enslaves" women.
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If the people of East Germany overthrew communism because they didn't have bananas, would a global banana shortage cause today's workers to overthrow capitalism?
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Reposting as the last thread got derailed as a result of random shitting of cockshott/lgbtq shit, offtopic discussion, and schizoposting.

Is "spanking" or, lighting hitting your kids an acceptable form of parenting or parental discipline? Is it progressive or reactionary? What is the materialist origin of the practice of lightly hitting children as a form of discipline or control?

What is the Marxist or materialist take on spanking? Note I'm talking about spanking as a form of parental discipline not as a weird fetish.

Please on topic answers only.
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How can we stop communist projects from turning into authoritarian regimes?
This is such an important issue that no marxist seem to care about. They instead go "yeah, but America is worse".
People don't find communism appealing specifically because they turn out to be authoritarian and repressive.
For example, a gay or trans dude will prefer to live in a neoliberal shithole like USA because USA at least accepts him for who he is.
An artist will prefer to be in USA because despite all of its problems you can create pretty much anything you want but art is/was heavily regulated in USSR/China.
Yeah liberalism is bad and exploitative but it at least offers a semblance of freedom that you can enjoy in your free time. But can you say the same about communist shitholes that we tried?
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Economic growth rates of socialist countries

Hi I need to know the growth rates of socialist countries for a video game I am making.

Do not give me the growth rates of a revisionist country or a country that is anti revisionist but not socialist (e.g. USSR in NEP).

My boss is petite bourgeoise but he is a communist at heart and our company is as close to a co op as possible his Dad was in the NKVD and believed the NKVD should have shot all people that supported Khrushchev.

My boss said his position for the game was as follows "We realise that there have been three socialist countries, just not any today, those were the USSR 1928-56, Albania 1947-85 and China 1956-78. It's worth noting that in the case of Albania and China after 1976 those parties already accepted revisionist lines, but had not officially begun destroying the socialist base."

But he is flexible to changing it.

So what is the growth rates of those socialist countries (probably excluding 40s USSR due to ww2 and rapid recovery) or where can I find the data.
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Good takes thread

We already had a tantrums general, but we haven't had any thread dedicated to the opposite?
Post good takes here, especially news also twitter, instagram, tiktok welcome
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Lenin was a dumbass. Imperialism isn't the highest stage of capitalism. Monopoly capital was just a specific historical phase of capital, one that doesn't exist anymore. It's really cringe when people talk about "imperialism" like it's still 1904.
Did this fucking retard even read Hegel? Doesn't he know that capitalism is itself a dialectic, which can never have a true end or "highest stage"?
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Is "spanking" or, lighting hitting your kids an acceptable form of parenting or parental discipline? Is it progressive or reactionary? What is the materialist origin of the practice of lightly hitting children as a form of discipline or control?

What is the Marxist or materialist take on spanking? Note I'm talking about spanking as a form of parental discipline not as a weird fetish.
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Curious, very curious.

>20 year old wine takes just as much labor to produce as 2 month old wine yet the price is vastly higher

How can the labor theory of value possibly recover from this? Was Marx wrong?
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Why do fashoids glorify Otoya Yamaguchi for murdering Inejirō Asanuma?

I get that creeps like Gavin McInnes make glib jokes about the this leftist politician getting killed because they like to jack off while fantasizing about hurting people they dislike, but do they not realize that Otoya dealt a terrible blow to the cause of Japanese nationalism by doing what he did? Inejirō Asanuma was one of the few prominent politicians in the 1950's who was advocating for total autonomy from America and the removal of all US military bases, as well as the formation of a pan-Asian bloc to defend against foreign imperialist meddling. Otoya was (unwittingly or otherwise) doing the bidding of the US state department by icing this politician who was threatening American hegemony. I don't think that McInnes and his ilk would be making these stupid fucking wisecracks if they knew that Oyoto and his fellow "nationalists" were actually cucked idiots who undermined Japan's national interests and further enshrined the LDP's (and by extension, America's) domination of the country.
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A critique of Juche

The following video provides information on how Juche is revisionist and that anyone who likes Juche is a anti communist retard. I think the best example of an anti communist retard is "AusJuche" although he may just work for the CIA.

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Unbelievably B A S E D

At 1:34:47 :

"If there is one critique we can make of Stalinism, its not that they created gulag, but that they didn't put in gulag those that should have been put there."
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Everything bad that happens in societies happens due to bad incentives.

Democracy can't build an utopia, since "make the country a better place to live" is a non-goal for an elected individual/party — "get elected" and "get re-elected a few years later" are.
An authoritarian state, in principle, can build an utopia if a leader and his cronies see it as their goal — even if this goal is second to "hold onto power", the good outcome is possible thanks to the long-term planning horizon. However, this is a non-systematic, unreliable approach.
Proletarian dictatorship, be it democratic or authoritarian, is no different in this regard.

What political system does align individual & party incentives with the end goal of making people happy & wealthy?
How would (You) design a system to keep incentives aligned?
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Not to generalize, but why do people who obsess over military history tend to end up being fascists/right-wing nutjobs? I know there are leftists here who are into that, but when I meet someone and they start talking about WW2, it's enough for me to consider it as a red flag. The worst part of it all is that they don't even tell you anything interesting, an insight taken from an academic work or book, it's usually some r/historymemes tier "lol tiger tank transmission broke!"

These types tend to always play Hearts of Iron, War Thunder, World of Tanks… what's up with that? You never get such a specific but frequent kind of person. Why doesn't this phenomenon occur in other fields like cultural history, religious history, economic history, urban history, etc..
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How do you disprove the notion that "change starts at home on an individual level"?

I was talking to someone about investing into stocks (I am a noob and have no clue where to start) just to earn some extra money to be able to sustain myself. I don't expect to turn into billionaire bourgeoise overnight, I just want my debt cleared and never to worry about falling behind on rent.
I pointed out that even if every average joe pulled out of the stock market and only lived entirely off labor or welfare, it wouldn't change anything because 99% of the financial system is corporate billionaire parasatism, and it was like accusing average people of causing climate change when 99% of emissions are caused by big corporations anyway.

He accused me of falling into their satanic economy, and falling for the wallstreet being meme'd on, and bitcoin shit, and that the more I enable the system the longer it takes to collapse. He claims that I have adapted a collectivist mindset that everyone falls into, and that eventually I will have a huge pile of money will accumulate from many pennies, "if I take a few pennies from everyone every week I can make billions".
Apparently, when everyone wants to invest a little bit here and there for themselves, it amounts to trillions over time and years of extending the life of the financial system.
So is this individualist idea of "be the change you want to see in the world" legit?
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Okay, okay hear me out now.
Imagine the recent anti colonial/anti slavery social revolution.

Now imagine the same but with zoomers taking revenge on society for treating them like property for centuries, indoctrinating them with religion, subjecting them to degrading punishments and snatching away their individuality and hopes because "muh tradiyshun".

Encourage zoomers to rebell againts their parents, to roast and insult boomers, to form youth unions and break others out of abusive and authoritarian households or even burn down detention centers which they already did once. Tear down everything that reminds of the past.

Imagine the cultural revolution but without state oversight. If it spreads far enough, it might even infect the chinese youth and inspire them to pressure the CCP into moving away from dengism and back towards Maoism.

All it would take are a few good propaganda tiktoks to light the fuse considering that youth dissatisfaction is at an all time high and militarism and radicalization are on the rise. And with the recent sudden revival of maoism, maybe something would happen.

I know it's a fever dream, but at least im actually trying to come up with things.

Oh and also whoever calls me out on my reddit spacing is sitting on a dragon dildo while doung so.
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October 15th Strike


>At midnight on Wednesday, more than 10,000 John Deere agricultural equipment workers launched a strike in states throughout the US Midwest. While the United Auto Workers is still conspiring with corporate management to strangle the strike, it has no credibility with the rank and file. Last week, Deere workers rejected a concessions contract brought back by the UAW by over 90 percent.

>The rebellion of Deere workers is a major escalation of the strike movement that is sweeping across the United States: 500 distillery workers in Kentucky went on strike on September 11; 2,000 hospital workers in Buffalo, New York have been on strike since October 1; 1,400 Kellogg’s cereal workers in Michigan, Nebraska, Pennsylvania and Tennessee walked out on October 5; and 2,000 Frontier telecom workers in California struck on October 6. More than 1,000 Warrior Met coal miners in Northern Alabama have been on strike since April.

>A series of more localized walkouts and protests indicate the breadth and depth of working class militancy: a walkout Tuesday morning of 185 workers at 28 group homes and day programs in Connecticut over poverty-level wages and benefits; sickouts to demand pay raises by dozens of school bus drivers in Bullitt County, Kentucky and Calvert County, Maryland this week; a two-day strike last week by 400 health care workers at McKenzie-Willamette Medical Center in Oregon; and a five-day strike last week of 350 health care workers in Antioch, California over staff shortages and working conditions.

>Tens of thousands of workers in other industries have approved strike action by overwhelming numbers, including 60,000 TV and film production workers in California who are set to strike beginning Sunday night; more than 40,000 Kaiser Permanente nurses and health care workers who have nearly unanimously authorized strike action across the West Coast; and 3,500 Dana Inc. auto parts workers. The Deere strike will encourage Dana workers to go out, as they have been working without a contract after massively repudiating a UAW-backed contract last month.

What do you guys think of the October 15th Strike? It seems to be rarely discussed here.
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Degeneration and division of labor

Class domination is very easily reconstituted if capitalism is not brought down quickly by an international revolution. The proletarian defense institutions are degenerating, by the simple fact that the complex division of labor recomposes class domination, being the secret foundation of this one.

We need the state in the period of the deadly struggle against capital, but it is working against us over time. The division of labor strengthens us but it is our secret enemy, the intellectual / manual division being the material foundation of class society. And determines the recomposition of social stratification within revolutionary structures. The revolutions of the past show us that the proletarian elants are not infinite and that their ebb condemns the proletarian institutions to become instruments of domination, bureaucratic ossification working for his own interests.
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Realistically, where do we go from here?

So most of us here are some form of anti-capitalist. What do we do with this information? Work some office job and bitch on imageboards the rest of our lives? join a commune? Join a party and hope the revolution comes? Move to an AES country?
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Any accurate info on the 4 people's wars?

Hey the 4 ongoing Maoist revolutions should be a beacon of hope in these dark days.

The 4 revolutions are the best things we have left unless you uphold DPRK as Marxist or are a Dengist.

Do people here have accurate info on what's going on?
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What’s the planet gonna look like when neoliberalism implodes?
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Social atomization

The end goal of a leftist is to establish the enclave
A society composed of exclusively proles all mindlessly labouring to fulfill demands and reproduce while gradually taking over more sectors of the universe planet after planet

First we got rid of the church from the state
Then the emancipation of women
Then the emancipation of minorities and slaves
Then the separation of the capitalist class from the government under the first socialist revolutions
Then the first documentations of blank state theory under the Cold War that saw humanity become morphed with tech with the rise of propaganda, addiction, psy ops, ECT, big pharma, the surveillance state and mass media
Then the sexual Revolution that saw the separation of humanity from its own responsibility under sex
Then the rise of TV which began the digital revolution
Then the rise of smartphones and digital entertainment
Then the rise of pornography and online dating that separated the need for real sex and up close relationships in favour of more atomization
Then the rise of E sports over conventional sports as the worldwide gaming industry only sees continued and increasing growth
Then the dissolving of modern day borders in favour of freedom of movement and immigration separating the value of territory from state
Then the rise of industrial machinery as a part of factory production forcing more proles to work from home
Then the rise of the pandemic that forced white collar workers out of the office where they met fellow proles and into their apartment cels
And soon as the 3rd industrial revolution transitions into the fourth everything will become digitized(including how money is distributed) and more and more labour will be done on a computer screen in ones apartment block that controls various machines doing their jobs with radio transmissions isolating humanity from labour itself along with the automation and digitization of warfare
Then the rise of the single parent household as an evolution from the nuclear family which in turn is an evolution from the extended family which in turn evolved from the village, ultimately helped sustain more civilians while ensuring society is even more atomized
Then the global rise of urban migration and the mega cities drastically increasing the rate at which the word atomized and what phase of atomization each state is in
Then the dissolving of the free market in the capitalist world as the cost to produce the revenue investors expect makes corporatism a standard aspect of capitalism
The future will only see continued dissolution of every form of social gathering society has to offer until we’re all just mindless workers as discussed in the beginning of this post. What should the modern prole come to expect on a planet filled with urbanites mindlessly labouring until their deaths in isolation from any influence of the outside world whom only exist to fulfill the remaining 3 aspects of global society with those 3 being the government, the working class and the corporations?
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20 interviews PDF

Please does anybody have a pdf file of 20 interviews by joshua citarella? or at least a link to one? I have tried looking for it everywhere but couldnt find it.
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Are there any leftist analysis of Ottoman empire?

Or on eulogization of certain sultans of the empire by the modern Turkish state and the Islamists and how much it differs from actual historical facts?
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Worker General

This is a thread to discuss your job or lack of job. For people seeking career advice and also for people who have some insights to give.

Jobs. Careers. Training. Education. Resumes. Compensation. Etc.
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Alright, because I don't know. Why is Taiwan so important to China? I understand NATO countries are against China's desire for Taiwan because of anti-chinese ideology. But why does China care so much about a from my knowledge a seemingly innocuous country?
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What is the Rate of Profit?

Booklet here with a simple question, I've repeatedly heard that the failing rate of profit as an indicator of Capitalism's inevitable end, or at the very least it's decline into total barbarism. To be specific, I've been told that once this graph hits "zero" some companies will still be profitable, but Capitalism as a "whole" will not be. This is purportedly caused by the contradictions of Capitalism and the inherent class conflicts created by the dichotomies between Capitalists making products to expensive for workers to afford or the natural antagonism created by workers wanting higher wages and Capitalists wanting higher profits. But what exactly *is* the rate of profit? Is there a global rate or do we only care about America's because it's the global financial hegemony? Is it a measure of profits (product sales revenue minus expenses) for all companies? How is it measured and by whom?
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Is innovation in non revenue producing assets like space and deep sea exploration a commoditie or does it have some form of value to society that’s just not realized until later?
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News 10/16/21

Bodies exhumed in mass graves in Panama believed to be be victims of 1989 US invasion
WORK is continuing in Panama after the discovery of mass graves believed to be victims of the 1989 US invasion of the Central American country, authorities confirmed today. Attorney General Geomara Guerra said that four bags of remains had been discovered on Thursday at a cemetery in the city of Colon.

Presidential pre-candidate proposes agrarian reform in Colombia
Colombia Humana's senator Gustavo Petro and presidential pre-candidate of the Historic Pact affirmed today that the country to be modern, industrialized and peaceful requires an agrarian reform. On Twitter, he noted that transformation Colombia needs must turn fertile land into an instrument of production and turn the nation into an agricultural industrial power.

Lakhimpur Killings: Farmers Burn Effigies Across States, Flay Tardy Action Against BJP Minister
Farmers’ organisations on Saturday burnt effigies of Prime Minister Narendra Modi, Home Minister Amit Shah and Agriculture Minister Narendra Singh Tomar to express the anguish over inaction in the Lakhimpur Khiri case where farmers were ploughed down allegedly by some associates of Bharatiya Janata Party Minister Ajay Mishra Teni and his son Ashish Mishra.

China's Xi calls for progress on property tax in drive for prosperity
In an essay in the ruling Communist Party journal Qiushi, published by the official Xinhua news agency on Friday, Xi also called for China to "vigorously and steadily advance" legislation for a property tax. China has mulled such a tax for over a decade but faced resistance from stakeholders including local governments themselves, who fear it would erode property values or trigger a market sell-off.

Right-wing former NEC member chosen for Starmer’s ‘future candidates programme’
ARIGHT-WING former member of Labour’s ruling body who allegedly encouraged a smear campaign against a left rival has been chosen for Sir Keir Starmer’s “future candidates programme.” Jasmin Beckett, who was elected Labour First’s youth rep on the party’s national executive committee in a bitterly fought campaign in 2016, confirmed the news in a tweet on Thursday.

British police officially declare fatal stabbing of MP David Amess ‘terrorist incident’
The Metropolitan Police officially declared the murder of Conservative MP Sir David Amess in Essex to be a terrorist incident, and put Counter Terrorism Policing in charge of the investigation. “The fatal stabbing in Leigh-on-Sea has tonight been declared as a terrorist incident,” by Deputy Assistant Commissioner Dean Haydon, the Met announced late Friday, adding that “The early investigation has revealed a potential motivation linked to Islamist extremism.”

HPG: Guerrilla resistance continues in Werxele
On October 15 morning, the Turkish army bombed the Werxele Resisance Area with explosives and heavy weapons. The Turkish troops that attempted to advance in the wake of the bombardments were intervened by the guerrilla units there. While heavy fighting ensued, the Turkish forces were unable to make an advance in the face of the guerrilla resistance.

Saudi Arabia accused of forcing Yemenis in the kingdom out of their jobs
She said the “Saudis had decided to dismiss Yemini workers in the south of the kingdom without a clear or convincing explanation for this collective targeting”. It has been suggested hundreds of thousands are under threat of deportation. Deen pointed out that, due to the war, expatriates had become almost the only source of hard currency because of the total absence of oil exports.

Spanish court allows extradition of late Venezuela leader Chavez's aide to US
Claudia Diaz, a former Navy sergeant, was Chavez's nurse when he was being treated for cancer, while her husband served as one of his aides de camp, according to Venezuelan media. She also served as Venezuela's national treasurer from 2011 to 2013, the court said in a statement.

Sudan protest calls for military coup as political crisis deepens
The demonstrators, who were seen arriving in central Khartoum on dozens of buses, clashed with pro-civilian protesters. Earlier, members of an unidentified armed group removed security barriers around government buildings and prevented the police and security forces from preparing for the march, Khartoum State governor Ayman Khalid said in a statement.

Argentinian judge indicts Franco-era Spanish minister on homicide charges
Spain passed an amnesty law in 1977 that pardoned crimes committed by the Franco dictatorship. Hundreds of Spaniards have tried to get around this by turning to an Argentinian court, under the principle of universal justice, to address crimes committed against them and their families during General Francisco Franco’s 36-year rightwing dictatorship. Franco ruled over Spain from 1939 to 1975.

KKE denounces the new Greece-US military agreement
These plans are part of the “NATO 2030” Strategy and the redeployment of numerous military forces to Eastern Europe, with regard to competition with Russia and China. The enhancement of Alexandroupolis as a reference point for the operations and exercises of the US army also serves this objective.
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Castillo is a right wing cuck

Dengists sit down lmao, Pencil Man is now cucking himself to capital, is becoming more "moderate" and is splitting with Peru "Libre"
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so what exactly does ms13 do beyond kill their own members and do drugs that make them one of the worlds most dangerous gangs?
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Leftypol Embassies Embassy

Hello everyone, as part of the efforts to grow the site's reputation, I have been assigned the task to create a 'site embassy' on some kind of other website/chan. But I dunno what site would be good. Help please, my dog ate my homework.

Any ideas? /pol/ is an obvious choice but maybe we should start with somewhere a bit less hostile and a bit less fast. Preferably still with some relation to politics though.
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Did any socialist movement benefit from the COVID pandemic?

>Inb4 there already is a COVID general
This is more about the political repercussions for this crisis than general developments.

For weeks there have been demonstrations against the current COVID measures all over Western Europe. Said protests always reach several thousand participants in multiple cities at once. Even in my pretty liberally-minded city over a thousand. Surprisingly, cops for the first time since the pandemic began, have started using violence against them, which is normally only reserved for left-wing protests and football hooligans. This is very peculiar to me, since for the past year the cops have been cuddling with those protesters, who always broke the COVID safety measures, which was illegal. What caused the sudden change of mind in the police? Will this last till they break-up the anti-measure/anti-vax movement or will they eventually rejoin them again?

This entire mess has been a huge boost to reactionaries across Europe. Many people do not trust science anymore, believe absurd conspiracy theories and made a conservative cultural turn. Just like with the fake refugee "crisis" the darkest reactionary elements were able to grow from it. Western leftists are, as always, too incompetent to exploit capitalist crises, but has this also been case in the rest of the world on this matter?

If so, why? The anti-vax schizos can spare me with their nonesense, I've already heard their talking points enough times.

If not, how were those other socialists able to benefit from this pandemic? I can only think of Bolivia as an example. What can we westeroids learn from them?

In any case, it is to be expected that there will be many more climate denialists, anti-abortionists and homophobic lumpens to deal with in the future. The slight progress we've made over the past decade seems to be all undone, which will make it all the more difficult to fight those problems, especially climate change. In some places the COVID-protesters are pretty radical and even want to overthrow the governments. I'm kinda worried, since this obviously won't be a proletarian revolution to overthrow capitalism. As soon as the cops surrender, those people will march into the government buildings. Will it be another nothingburger like the 6th January or something serious? I don't know what their exact goal is, since this movement is so absurdly incoherent. All they scream is "muh liberty™!" Will the fascist elments in those protests take over the lead?
What do you think.
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What happens here?

"China isn't socialist, dengoid" "Western maoist in moms basement" "Doi Moi made vietnam capitalist" "They have a large communist party".

We've all heard this about countries in east asia, but what about Laos? I thought this country was also part of the "socialist" block of SEA
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The question

What is to be done regarding Caleb Maupins closet homosexuality?
What is the correct political line should we denounce Caleb for being homophobic, should Caleb be forced to admit the truth, should we spam the sex tape of Caleb Maupin in a gay bathroom?

I think given Caleb's right-wing anti communist views more pressure should be applied to him I applaud Politsturm International new video on how to unite the left which correctly attacks Caleb unfortunately it attacks Mao as Politisturm is Hoxhaite.

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Christian Communism

Is Christian Communism the only way forward in America? Christianity is such a widespread ideology, which in its purest core can be viewed as communistic if you actually listen to some cherry picked words of Jesus himself, that it seems like a good shoe in the door.

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17 American christian missionaries kidnapped by a gang in haiti according to Haitian officials

As many as 17 Christian missionaries from the United States and their family members, including children, were kidnapped on Saturday by a gang in Port-au-Prince as they were leaving an orphanage, according to Haitian security officials.

Details of the kidnapping remained unclear, but local officials said the missionaries were abducted from a bus headed to the airport to drop off some members of the group before continuing to another destination in Haiti.

Haiti has been in a state of political upheaval for years, and kidnappings of the rich and poor alike are alarmingly common. But even in a country accustomed to widespread lawlessness, the abduction of such a large group of Americans shocked officials for its brazenness.

Violence is surging across the capital, Port-au-Prince. By some estimates, gangs now control roughly half of the city. On Monday, gangs shot at a school bus in Port-au-Prince, injuring at least five people, including students, while another public bus was hijacked by a gang as well.

Security has broken down as the country’s politics have disintegrated. Demonstrators furious at widespread corruption demanded the ouster of President Jovenel Moïse two years ago, effectively paralyzing the country. The standoff prevented the sick from getting treatment in hospitals, children from attending school, workers from going to the rare jobs available and even stopped electricity from flowing in parts of the country.

Since then, gangs have become only more assertive. They operate at will, kidnapping children on their way to school and pastors in the middle of delivering their services.

The nation’s political turmoil intensified further after Mr. Moïse was assassinated in his home in July, a killing that remains unsolved. The few remaining officials in the country soon began fighting for control of the government, and the factionalism has continued for months, with officials accusing one another of taking part in the conspiracy to kill the president.

The kidnapping of the American missionaries happened only a day after the United Nations Security Council extended its mission in Haiti by nine months in a unanimous vote on Friday. Many Haitians have been calling for the United States to send troops to stabilize the situation, but the Biden administration has been reluctant to commit boots on the ground.

A State Department spokesman had no comment on the abductions in Haiti on Saturday night.

Parts of the Haitian capital, including where the kidnappings occurred, are so dangerous that many residents have fled, leaving once-bustling streets nearly abandoned. Many of the streets have been surrendered to the gangs, with few pedestrians venturing out even during the day.

Gangs have kidnapped even poor street vendors, and when they find little to nothing in their wallets, gang members sometimes demand that they sell off items in their homes, like radios and refrigerators. Earlier this year, a classroom of students got together to raise money to pay the ransom of a fellow student.

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OC Thread 10.0

Thread dedicated to /leftypol/ original content
Post original content you've made, or OC someone else recently made which you want to share.
Or ITT collaborate on improving content already made.

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This is the place where you can find all /leftypol/ memes n' shit
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China is in a spending crisis

TLDR the Chinese economy is spending more than what it produces in revenue, a brief inspection online states that the Chinese economy takes in 4.45 trillion in revenues but spends over 5 trillion on itself every year which means debt is surging. What makes the matter worse is that most of the Chinese populace doesn’t have that great of access to social securities beyond healthcare and don’t have the money to afford most consumer goods due to unpaid labour ultimately putting solutions like cuts and higher taxation(most of China pays nearly 100% income tax) nonexistent

A similar situation is happening in the west as well but the fact that both of these powers are reporting any form of economic growth means something in the global economy is fundamentally broken or some form of extortion is going on in the global south to pay for all these expenses. This shit is bad real bad if China wants to maintain itself now that the USA pretty much declared war on the country
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The gates of society

What if the different stages of society in human civilization just different underlying essences that are blocked by what I call a civilizational gate that requires a societal key to be cross. In order to cross these gates there must be the perfect conditions set forth beforehand by this universal and underlying essence that cannot be directly observed by felt in the changing of society as their productive capabilities increase.

This would also explain the Fermion Paradox in that there’s an absolute peak and cap on how many civilizational gates can be crossed by the productive increases and the societal transformation forthwith. It’s impossible to pinpoint this essence because of the manifold appearance of life and life activity which makes it hard to observe the absolute essence which one who has read Hegel calls it the world spirit. But what if the next gate, the hypothetical gate of “higher communism” is a gate existing at a level so far behind human grasp that humanity could never cross this gate no matter how much they attempt to increase their productivity because in inverse ratio our planet is being destroyed so perhaps there’s an underlying power of the universe that will not allow mankind to reach this higher phase communism.
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You see images like this and realize how useless the UN and other global health and development organizations actually are

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Looks like Kenya is becoming imperialist

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>Jesus looked at him and loved him. “One thing you lack,” he said. “Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
At this the man’s face fell. He went away sad, because he had great wealth.

23 Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, “How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God!”
The disciples were amazed at his words. But Jesus said again, “Children, how hard it is[a] to enter the kingdom of God! It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”

Mark 10: 21-25

Jesus was based ngl
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I need history books on countries that turned socialist

China, Yugoslavia, USSR, Latin American countries, African countries; you name it. I want to expand my knowledge on the specific history of these countries and what went right and what went wrong. Obviously not from a Western perspective, unless it was written by a comrade. Dump the PDFs you have or just give me a recommendation. Currently I own books by Chris Harman and Eric Hobsbawm.
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Rate rightoids by intellect

Who are the smartest right wingers (any type) alive today? Note they must be living and not dead so no evola or w/e.

Nick Land
Steven Bannon

etc. etc.
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Why do Muslims in the middle east actively try to repress homosexuality and transgenders?

Look this right here is a good example of this in turkey and the hidden desires
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Revolution 1905-1907(1917) and Civil War

It was a dress rehearsal, without which the final victory of the proletariat in October 1917 would have been impossible. (Lenin)

The revolution of 1905 came as a surprise to everyone, although Russia had been going to it for a long time. For example, the American historian Richard Pipes considers it a prologue to the student unrest of 1899. The Minister of Foreign Affairs Alexander Izvolsky believed that the tsarist regime began to collapse even under Alexander III, and the publicist Mark Vishnyak counted the end of the autocracy from the mid-1870s, when Alexander II stopped the Great Reforms and decided to" freeze " the country. Russia and the ruling dynasty could only be saved from revolution by the introduction of a constitutional monarchy. But the last Romanovs, in an effort to preserve the unshakable autocratic foundations of their power, eventually lost everything and led the country to the catastrophe of 1917.

Interactive map of the 1905 revolution
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Has anyone on here read the book Witness by ex-communist-turned-rightoid Whittaker Chambers? How much of it is real cash how much of it is complete horseshit? Are any of the accusations he makes against the CPUSA (especially the “underground”) true?
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Socialism without antisemitism

In “On the Jewish Question,” published in 1844, Karl Marx famously stood the notion of Jewish emancipation on its head, writing that “Jews have emancipated themselves insofar as Christians have become Jews,” i.e., admirers of Mammon. Far from being ghettoized and excluded, deprived of basic freedoms, and subjected to horrific individual and mass accusations and physical violence for centuries, Marx explained to his followers, the Jews of Europe were in fact historical oppressors bent on conquest. “The everyday Jew devoted himself to endless bartering … It was still Judaism, practical in its nature, that was victorious,” Marx explained. “Egotism permeated society.”

Jews were not only all-conquering, Marx continued, but also maleficent. “We recognize in Judaism, therefore, a general anti-social element of the present time, an element which through historical development—to which in this harmful respect the Jews have zealously contributed—has been brought to its present high level, at which it must necessarily begin to disintegrate. In the final analysis, the emancipation of the Jews is the emancipation of mankind from Judaism.” Case closed.

Quantities of ink worthy of a Talmudic discussion have been spilled explaining away the explicit content of Marx’s essay. But his private writings make it impossible to assert that Marx was not a carrier of a virulent strain of racist Jew-hatred that has infected some of his followers to this day. In a letter to Engels on July 30, 1862, attacking Ferdinand Lasalle, Marx’s Jewish opponent among socialists, for example, Marx wrote that “It is now quite plain to me—as the shape of his head and the way his hair grows also testify—that he is descended from the negroes who accompanied Moses’ flight from Egypt (unless his mother or paternal grandmother interbred with a uyghur).”

But even Marx at his worst did not approach the venomous opinions of his rival, the father of anarchism, Pierre-Joseph Proudhon. Proudhon expressed his feelings for Jews in his notebooks in an entry dated Dec. 26, 1847, an entry less anti-capitalist than exterminationist: “Jews. Write an article against this race that poisons everything by sticking its nose into everything without ever mixing with any other people. Demand its expulsion from France with the exception of those individuals married to French women. Abolish synagogues and not admit them to any employment. Demand its expulsion. Finally, pursue the abolition of this religion. It’s not without cause that the Christians called them deicides. The Jew is the enemy of humankind. They must be sent back to Asia or be exterminated.”

Rare is the radical movement of the early- to mid-19th century, particularly in France, that did not contain an antisemitic component. An exception to this sorry rule, a socialist movement that not only did not hate the Jews as an article of faith, but one in which Jews occupied leadership positions, managed funds, and offered intellectual guidance, were the utopian socialists inspired by Count Henri de Saint-Simon.

Saint-Simonism was a small movement, and even classifying it as socialist is questionable: There are entire volumes of its founder’s collected works in which the word “socialism” never makes an appearance. Precisely because of the movement’s small size, Jews, of which there were seldom more than a dozen in its ranks, played a disproportionate role in its actions and ideas. More importantly, it was the former Jewish disciples of Saint-Simon who, both while involved in the movement and even more, after their departure from it, did most to realize the founder’s goals.

The ideology of Saint-Simon himself was well and fairly summarized by one of his later critics, Fredrick Engels, in his Socialism, Utopian and Scientific. “In Saint-Simon, there is less a class struggle than “an antagonism between ‘workers’ and ‘idlers.’ The idlers were not merely the old privileged classes, but also all who, without taking any part in production or distribution, lived on their incomes. And the workers were not only the wage-workers, but also the manufacturers, the merchants, the bankers.” The idlers had long since demonstrated that they were no longer capable of intellectual and political leadership, and those roles now fell to “science and industry, both united by a new religious bond, destined to restore that unity of religious ideas which had been lost since the time of the Reformation—a necessarily mystic and rigidly hierarchic ‘new Christianity.’”

There is nothing here of the later socialist vision of class conflict, in no small part because capitalism had not sufficiently developed in France during Saint-Simon’s lifetime. Saint-Simonism was an elitist revolt: The role of the industrious bourgeois was to improve “the lot of the class that is the most numerous and the most poor (“la classe la plus nombreuse et la plus pauvre”). Saint-Simon was dedicated to rejuvenating and superseding the existing Christianity with a new Christianity, since the former, “for eighteen centuries, has been in a state of almost absolute stagnation in the moral realm.” The practical end of the new religion was “the exploitation of the terrestrial globe.” Since the goal of human philosophy was the “total exploitation of the globe,” Saint-Simon wrote to one of his disciples, it is necessary to “combine all industrial, scientific, and sentimental forces in order to obtain this result as rapidly as possible.”

The evil role of the Jews in society appears nowhere in Saint-Simon’s writings, though he was not perfectly immune to the ambient antisemitism of Catholic France. When reviewing the role of Jews historically, he characterized Judaism as “somber, concentrated, and devoured with the pride inspired in it by its more than earthly nobility and by the humiliation in which it was forced to live.” “Devoured with pride,” however unattractive a characterization, was mild when compared to other figures of the period, both within the socialist movement and without.

Claude Henri de Rouvroy Comte de Saint-Simon, who developed these ideas, was a member of the nobility with ancestral lands in the north of France. His ancestors included the greatest of all chroniclers of France’s royalty, his cousin Louis de Rouvroy, Duc de Saint-Simon.

The count led an adventurous life, fighting with the French forces in America during the Revolution. Back in France, during the Revolution he was arrested at the time of the Terror (perhaps in error) and was saved by the downfall of Robespierre. During the Directorate that followed Robespierre’s fall he lived the good life, maintaining a salon and, setting the tone for his later years, involving himself in ambitious intellectual and financial schemes. As a biographer put it, “Learning intrigued him as much as finance,” which was amply demonstrated by the life he lived until his death, as he squandered his fortune, spending much of his final two decades begging friends and relatives for funds. He often combined his love for ideas with his financial need, writing odd scientific texts which he would send off to well-known individuals, including begging letters with his writings. Dismissed by the scientists to whom he addressed his theories, he nevertheless had visions of an even grander role, one that had inspired his putative ancestor Charlemagne: the setting aright of Europe by founding a new political, social, and religious order.

After Napoleon’s defeat, during the Bourbon Restoration, he became an important voice in defense of the nobility’s rivals, the bourgeoisie, publishing tomes of social theory, newspapers whose titles expressed Saint-Simon’s focus, like L’Industrie, Le Politique, L’Organisateur, Du Système Industriel, and Catéchisme des Industriels, and articles criticizing the Catholic Church and the nobility, the main obstacles to France’s progress. In February 1820, he published an article in which he imagined the consequences of the deaths of France’s leading scientists, artists, bankers, industrialists, comparing this to the effect of the deaths of its leading nobles, to the detriment of the latter. The assassination of the Duc du Berry on Feb. 13 of that year led to his arrest as a moral contributor to the crime, though he managed to escape punishment.

In 1823, still living in poverty and reduced to begging for financial assistance, he attempted suicide, but he was discovered by a physician in time to save his life.

Having reached the seeming depths, it was around this time that he was joined by a circle of supporters that would support him politically and financially in his final years and carry on his work after his death in 1825. Significantly, most of these new disciples were Jews, including Olinde Rodrigues, soon to be the managing editor of Le Producteur, a newspaper dedicated to Saint-Simon’s ideas founded immediately upon the master’s death. Yet another Jewish disciple, Léon Halévy, served as Saint-Simon’s secretary and wrote the prospectus for the paper in preparation for its appearance. The movement and its founder’s eternal optimism was expressed by the newspaper’s motto: “The Golden Age, which until now blind tradition situated in the past, is before us.”

In his final work, Le Nouveau Christianisme, Saint-Simon made clear his messianic role, asserting, doubtless with his Jewish followers in mind, that “[t]he portion of the Jewish people which remained foreign to the spiritual reign of the Messiah will surrender upon seeing the arrival of his temporal reign, and all prophecies will be fulfilled for all the prophecies are true”.

Saint-Simonism grew much faster after the death of its founder, or as Sébastien Charléty, the first great French historian of the movement put it, “The history of the Saint-Simonians begins the day of Saint-Simon’s death.” A note in Saint-Simon’s collected works reports that Olinde Rodrigues “without any question stood in the front ranks. He boldly made this primacy clear at the very grave of Saint-Simon, taking control of the leadership of the school immediately upon the return of the funeral cortege.” This attempted coup within the movement was quickly short-circuited when fellow disciple Prosper Enfantin, who had missed the funeral and had only met Saint-Simon once during his lifetime, took the movement in hand. Olinde, as a true Saint-Simonian, recognizing Enfantin’s superior abilities as a leader of men, willingly surrendered the leading role.

Le Producteur, the final Saint-Simonian journal published in the founder’s lifetime expired in 1826, and the movement then relied on personal contact as a means of expanding. Olinde Rodrigues brought into the movement his brother Eugène, who would publish an important text on Saint-Simonism and religion. The brothers Emile and Isaac Pereire, cousins of the Rodrigueses, who went on to found the great French bank Credit Mobilier, which built the first national railroad in France, also joined the movement. Léon Halévy remained part of the post-Saint-Simon movement, and he was joined by the baptized Jew, Baron d’Eichthal.

The attraction of Saint-Simonism to young French Jews can be explained by the atmosphere of the period that followed the overthrow of Napoleon I. The Bourbon Restoration returned power to the Church and put roadblocks before the advancement of Jews. Olinde Rodrigues, for example, was unable to attend the Ecole Normale Supérieure, from which Jews were banned, instead attending the Polythechnic. In fact, as the historian Frank Manuel has maintained, Olinde Rodrigues, denied the academic path he truly desired by the anti-Jewish restrictions, as were his cousins the Pereires, took one of the few routes available to ambitious Jews under the Restoration by entering the world of finance. Their discontent with this pis aller made a dissident movement like Saint-Simonism attractive.

The Jewish presence in Saint-Simonian circles was at least partially an illusion, though. Yes, the Rodrigueses and the Pereire brothers had origins in the Jewish community in the Iberian peninsula that had settled in France centuries before. But none of them had any ties to the Jewish religion or community. D’Eichthal was baptized, and Halévy, though his father worked at the Jewish Consistory, was resolutely secular and married a non-Jew. What religion they had was the religion of Saint-Simonism, which aimed at erasing old religious ties, at making its believers more just morally, and at seeing to it that “not only will religion dominate the political order but the political order will be in its ensemble a religious institution, for nothing can be conceived outside of God or developed outside of his Law.”

In the largest sense being a Jew or a Christian mattered little for those in the movement. Eugène Rodrigues wrote, in his 1829 Lettres sur la religion et la politique that all former distinctions were a dead letter: “In fact, the disciples of Saint-Simon include former Jews and former Catholics. In principle they are, above all, disciples of Saint-Simon and the old man, whatever he was, has disappeared in them.” It is perhaps in this that Saint-Simonism resembled later revolutionary movements: It is not only the existing religions that had to be changed, but humanity itself.

In the 1830s Jews were a tiny portion of the French population, numbering 73,000 out of a population of almost 33 million. Even so, the centrality of Jews in the Saint-Simonian movement offered a line of attack to its opponents, not least those who offered a competing utopian vision to that of Saint-Simon. However small the number of Jewish Saint-Simonians was (there were never more than a dozen), the fact that those Jews played a prominent role, not only within the utopian movement but also in the growth of French capitalism, made it possible to rhetorically join Saint-Simonism to rising capitalism—to modernity—and present the movement as a Jewish undertaking.

The most virulent version of this line of attack was the multivolume Les Juifs, rois de l’époque (The Jews, Kings of the Epoch) by Alphonse Toussenel, a disciple of Charles Fourier. Fourier’s form of communalism might have been based on visions of love and community, but this didn’t prevent Toussenel from laying the blueprint for the French antisemitic propaganda of both the left and the right in the decades that followed. After praising the Jews for “having produced more brilliant individuals than any other race,” he went on, explaining that “The universal repulsion the Jew has so long inspired was nothing but the just punishment for his implacable pride, and our scorn the legitimate reprisal for the hatred he seemed to bear towards the rest of humanity.”

For Toussenel, “In France the Jew rules and governs. Where do we find written the proofs of this royalty? Everywhere. Everywhere, in all our instructions, in the events of the day, in all the external and internal political decisions, in the votes in the chambers, in the sentences of judges, even in the king’s speeches.” In fact, he asserted, “the Jew possesses all the privileges that were once the prerogative of the monarchy.” The Saint-Simonians benefited from this royal privilege, since “the Jew” has granted Emile Pereire and Prosper Enfantin lucrative posts and enormous profits. “The Jew, exclusive possessor of the administration of transports throughout the kingdom, will soon have more employees than the state.”

This malicious babble goes on for hundreds of pages, dealing with the most varied element of the French political system and society, ending with a call for “The People” to echo his cry: “Death to parasitism! War on the Jews.”
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Almost 50 years of forged experience among the best of the best. 50 years of undeniable expertise with an unquestionably brilliant record of tough decisions. I am proven… everyone worth listening to says so.

Therefore, I shall, in the climax of my life, deliver to the American people my magnum opus of solutions to all problems. A people and a movement that started with Agent Kochinski and will climax with the unity of American and the world. This is my gift to you.

Remember, things might look rough right now but we're making progress, we're building back better.

Never doubt Biden, he's got all the aces.
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China's alleged bioweapons

Obviously, laowhy is a bitch, together with serpentza, making outrageous claims against China for clickbait to generate revenue. That aside, let's discuss the idea of China possessing and using biological weapons. Are there any links to investigate the claims he made? He's essentially just claiming these are quotes by Chinese officials without giving a direct source.
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New WEBM thread

political webms only please
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gommunism improvement thread

what do the left wing/communist/whatever the fuck movements in your country need to do to get its shit together and actually take over is there anything anybody can do ?

inb4 "lol just wait" thats a cop and you know it
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The internet will probably be used to fuck up revolutions in the future

Assuming (perhaps unwisely) that there *will* be major revolutions in the future, what effect will the internet possibly have? Things right now are somewhat confusing, as we generally have the same generation in power as we did when the internet came about. Despite not being present on the internet in their youth (when most people make embarrassing decisions) many of them have been caught or chastised through the internet in a form that's never been possible before. Obviously this seems great, capitalists are exposed as fraudsters every day and generals and politicians are always being caught doing some sneaky shit via the internet. What exactly happens though when the people who have had access to the internet since youth start to do the revolution thing we've been trying to do for the last three centuries? Assuming that the revolutions of tomorrow aren't going to be lead by our beloved Communist grandfathers like Wolff, Cockshott, VJ, Hudson, Harvey, whoever the fuck, we're going to have a problem.

It seems very possible that future revolutions can have their leaders slandered or exposed as a way of damaging popular support or to create infighting. I expect that reactionaries of note will get the same treatment when they get to close to realizing that "da joos" isn't a sufficient explanation for the state of things. With NGOs and the NSA costantly grubbing up data, is it really that absurd to imagine that in the case of:

>le epic workers party marched through the streets of Paris, London, and New York today, the various national leaders of these parties are endorsing the leadership of Based Red Warrior

>Based Red Warrior apparently used to post videos of themselves on a youtube prank channel, exposed by CNNBCCNCBC News!
>le epic workers party is in disarray after losing public support for their Chairman, after one video was found where he groped an underaged girl

How can we operate in a future where every potential Lenin or Sankara that comes around ends up getting outed for some stupid shit they did on the internet when they were younger? Even if they haven't done anything, there's little to stop the capitalists for making a realistic farce that they secretly post on r/Cuckold or some such nonsense. Of course you could say: "well we don't want leaders who would act in such a gross way, at any stage in their life" and sure that sounds awesome, but there's a bunch of shit about Fidel and Che we don't know, we can't document every minute of their lives, if one of them had raped a child when they were teenagers, how would we know? That's not to say that we should be paranoid about revolutionaries and expect this, but we should understand that the pandora's box of the internet has yet to be truly deployed by capital.
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Hafizullah Amin

Anyone have any concrete opinions of him? He was the leader of the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan, from the Khalq faction of the PDPA, before being killed in December 1979 by Spetsnaz, replaced by Babrak Kamal, from the Parcham faction, and was later accused of being a CIA agent. However I was reading this book by a Turkish communist who argues Amin was the main leader of the PDPA during the revolutionary period (and it was indeed a revolution, not a coup as reactionary islamists howl) and was removed in a frame-up. Supposed Amin was a big admirer of Stalin.


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At what point do we say there is finite resources and there are too many people and we can't help everyone? Overpopulation is a real thing and only liberals think we can save the world
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Korean Migration from Japan from 1960s onwards

Does anyone have any information on this?

NY Times is displaying the migration as "evil commies being lured to DPRK to proletarian paste and have bowl haircuts" so I can only assume the Japanese wanted to get rid of a hated ethnic minority.

Please drop pdfs/articles on this
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Revolution update

The Communist Party of India (Maoist) [CPI (Maoist)] released a statement on October 2 to denounce the new counter-revolutionary military operation against the Party and the People’s Liberation Guerrilla Army (PLGA), known as ‘Prahaar.’ Since its founding in 2004, the CPI (Maoist) has been waging a revolutionary armed struggle against the reactionary Indian State, mainly basing its operations in the poor, semi-feudal Indian countryside.

On September 26, the Minister of Home Affairs, Amit Shah, held a meeting in New Delhi with the chief ministers from ten states where the CPI (Maoist) is present. The Minister of State for Home Affairs, Nityanand Rai; Home Secretary, Ajay Kumar Bhalla; Director of the Intelligence Bureau, Arvind Kumar; and several other key ministers were also present at the meeting. During the meeting, Shah proposed a concentrated one-year plan to eliminate the presence of the CPI (Maoist) from the affected states.

The CPI (Maoist) statement reads:

The home minister in the name of development apparently directed to concentrate one year on [the] Maoist issue to eliminate it completely. He prepared a detailed new and higher [more intense] military plan to eliminate the Maoists in the stipulated time.”

Between November 2020 and June 2021, the old Indian State launched military operation ‘Prague’ against the CPI (Maoist) and the PLGA. The People’s War, waged by the PLGA under the leadership of the CPI (Maoist), defeated the military operation however.

The statement continues:

The state and central armed forces [suffered] heavy losses in that campaign [Prague military operation]. According to the latest DKSMC (Dandakaranya Special Military Commission) report under the PLGA leadership, the revolutionary masses and the people’s militia eliminated at least 90 police [officers] and injured 269.”

Shah’s proposal is a new and more intense military operation with the intent to eliminate the Party, promising the affected states extensive resources and additional State forces to fulfill the operation. The old Indian State categorizes the Party as the greatest threat to internal security and resorts to uninterrupted military operations against the People’s War. Despite these attacks, the heroic people, especially poor peasants, resist and retaliate under the leadership of the Maoist insurgents.

The CPI (Maoist) explains:

The toiling masses are fighting against the anti-people policies of the center. The ruling classes know very well about that they did not have any chance to implement their anti-people policies without [the] elimination of Maoists. That’s why they recognized them long back as the single largest threat for internal security. Since a long back, they are continuously conducting military operations against the Maoists but the heroic people retaliated all under the brave leadership of PLGA.”

The Party’s regional offices in Andhra Pradesh, Telangana, Odisha, Chattisgarh, and Maharashtra call for all supporters of the People’s War in India to oppose the new counter-revolutionary campaign. The Party is calling on all supporters and revolutionaries to build a strong solidarity movement in support of the Indian people and the People’s War.
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Cognitive Warfare

>In a chilling disclosure, the report said explicitly that “the objective of Cognitive Warfare is to harm societies and not only the military.”
>Such all-encompassing militarization of society is reflected in the paranoid tone of the NATO-sponsored report, which warned of “an embedded fifth column, where everyone, unbeknownst to him or her, is behaving according to the plans of one of our competitors.” The study makes it clear that those “competitors” purportedly exploiting the consciousness of Western dissidents are China and Russia.
>In other words, this document shows that figures in the NATO military cartel increasingly see their own domestic population as a threat, fearing civilians to be potential Chinese or Russian sleeper cells, dastardly “fifth columns” that challenge the stability of “Western liberal democracies.”

So the eagles of the world are turning inward. Is the future of all Western countries civil war?
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Black Nationalism

Thoughts on Black Nationalism? Any Black Nationalist here I could ask a few questions to?
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How do you guys feel about modern day pirates?
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Tiananmen Square massacre

Breadpill me on the Tiananmen Square massacre. What exactly happened? Why is this event suppressed in China, if the government had good reason to suppress it?
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News 10/15/21

Peruvian President Castillo under pressure as own party refuses to back cabinet
The changes came after the self-proclaimed Marxist-Leninist sacked fellow Free Peru party member Guido Bello as the country’s prime minister, less than three months after he was appointed. The move led some party supporters to accuse Mr Castillo of “betrayal,” with parliamentary spokesman Waldemar Cerron insisting that its 37 legislators will not support the new cabinet.

Venezuela condemns new attack on its national electric system
Venezuela on Thursday condemned a new attack on its national electric system, affecting 30% of power service in caracas due to a series of fluctuations in the national interconnected system. In phone contact with Venezolana de Televisión, the Public Works and Services Minister Néstor Reverol praised the immediate reaction of the National Electricity Corporation (CORPOELEC) crew to recover nearly the whole system in a few hours.

AMLO’s $9 Billion Pet Project Hit by Strike, Police Violence
The massive new oil refinery for state-owned Petroleos Mexicanos is key to the president known as AMLO’s goal to strengthen state energy companies and to build jobs in Mexico’s poor south, but it has already received its share of criticism. It’s being constructed during a new era focused on renewable energy, it’s running over budget and behind schedule, and it’s being built in a zone the state oil firm had promised to protect.

France's Le Pen says she will take down wind turbines if elected
Le Pen also said that she would support for France's nuclear industry by allowing the construction of several new reactors, fund a major upgrade of France's existing fleet and back the construction of small modular reactors as proposed by President Emmanuel Macron.

Unite slams plans to allow European drivers to make unlimited deliveries in Britain
UNITE warned of possible strike action over the “disgraceful” treatment of HGV drivers today after Tory ministers unveiled plans to allow European drivers to make unlimited deliveries in Britain. In response to the ongoing supply chain crisis, exacerbated by a shortage of 100,000 lorry drivers, Transport Secretary Grant Shapps launched a consultation on proposals to temporarily change so-called “cabotage” rules on Thursday.

Medieval-style siege in central Berlin: German police move to evict iconic left-wing Kopi trailer camp (VIDEO)
The ‘castle’ fell only after the officers weakened a part of the wall with buzz-saws and tore it out with a towing wire attached to an APC. After that, the police made their way into the hole in the barricade and soon started emerging, escorting Kopi’s inhabitants outside. Multiple arrests have been made.

Erdogan threatens fresh military campaign in Syria
Most Turkish analysts believe that Erdogan could hardly order a large-scale military operation and risk a major escalation without getting guarantees from Russia to use Syrian airspace. Reports that five Turkish commanders in charge of Syria-related missions sought early retirement last month have fueled speculation of rising discontent in the army over operations in which Turkish troops lack adequate protection.

U.S. will oppose U.N. human rights council's 'disproportionate' attention on Israel -State Dept
The United States has concerns with the United Nations Human Rights Council and will oppose its "disproportionate" attention on Israel, State Department spokesman Ned Price told reporters on Thursday after the U.S. was elected back to the council

UAE: Activists host alternative expo to highlight human rights abuses
The Gulf nation is hosting the 2020 World Expo, and opened its fair earlier this month with a lavish ceremony that included fireworks and musical performances. The UAE hopes the six-month event will spark an influx of investment after its economy was hit hard by the coronavirus pandemic.

56 arrested after S. African ministers ‘held hostage’ by military veterans demanding reparations for fight against white rule
According to local media, the Liberation Struggle War Veterans (LSWV), a disbanded ANC military wing, have demanded R4.2 million ($285,000) per member. The ministers, part of the ANC government, had agreed to meet with them at the Pretoria hotel and negotiate.
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/meg/ - Middle East General

This thread is for discussion about the Middle East

Long Live The Intifada

Israel/Palestine cytube still going?
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News 10/14/21

Far-right nationalists march under ‘White Lives Matter’ banner in Kiev as Ukrainians celebrate ‘Defenders and Defendresses Day’
Thousands of far-right Ukrainian nationalists have taken to the streets in Kiev on the country’s Defenders and Defendresses Day, a public holiday, under the flags of the Azov and Right Sector extremist organizations, among others. The march, which began in the city’s center, started at noon on Thursday and saw the participants walk through Kiev to Maidan, the capital’s main square. .

N. Yorkshire police chief resigns after saying women must be ‘streetwise’ following Sarah Everard murder
North Yorkshire's police boss has resigned after a panel recommended he step down over his recent comments that women should be “streetwise” about whether they’re in a situation that genuinely warrants arrest or not. In an open letter on Thursday, North Yorkshire Police, Fire and Crime Commissioner Philip Allott apologised for his comments and said he would be stepping down from his position.

Energy crisis latest - ‘free for all’ energy market not working, says GMB, as two more firms go bust
BRITAIN’S “free-for-all” energy market is not working, union GMB has warned after two more firms went bust. Pure Planet and Colorado Energy’s collapse on Wednesday — the latest victims of soaring wholesale gas prices — is set to hit 250,000 customers.

Guerrillas seize large number of military equipment left by fleeing Turkish soldiers
The soldiers had to flee following successful guerrilla actions, leaving all their equipment. The images from the war tunnels around Werxelê well expose this situation. A large number of military supplies, living materials and even tags fell into the hands of the guerrillas. The tags reveal which soldier the materials belong to.

'Moments when nations must use force': US and allies mull military options as Iran nuclear talks fade
“Iran is becoming a nuclear threshold country,” Lapid said. “Secretary of State Blinken and I are sons of Holocaust survivors. We know there are moments when nations must use force to protect the world from evil. If a terror regime is going to acquire a nuclear weapon, we must act. We must make clear that the civilized world won't allow it.”

Israel: First East Jerusalem settlement in 25 years met with US silence
An Israeli planning committee has given the green light to the first Jewish settlement in 30 years to be built in occupied East Jerusalem - and the first ever beyond the 1967 armistice line - without any public protest from the United States. The new neighbourhood in Givat Hamatos, and its 1,257 housing units, is one of a handful of land expropriations and building plans for Jews currently moving forward in occupied East Jerusalem.

Bolivia: Prosecutor’s Office Closes The Electoral Fraud Case
La Paz Department prosecutor William Alave ratified the dismissal of the charges against five former members of the Supreme Electoral Tribunal. Maria Choque, Antonio Costas, Edgar Gonzales, Lucy Cruz, and Ildefonso Mamani were accused of committing crimes such as document forgery, use of forged documents, computer manipulation, and alteration and concealment of electoral results.

Colombia shocked over execution of 12-year-old ‘shoplifter’
The 12-year-old boy and an 18-year-old teenager were apprehended by shopkeepers who were subsequently surprised by two armed men who took the alleged shopkeepers. The victims’ bodies were found on a road in Tibu the next morning. A sign saying “thieves” was left on the body of the youngest victim.

Chinese tech workers disclose working hours in criticism of '996'
Employees have since also created separate spreadsheets for specific sectors such as real estate, finance, and foreign companies. A majority of the entries on the spreadsheet show that while a five-day week is the norm, many staffers work 10 to 12 hours a day. One of the creators said in a post that they hoped the list would be an effective reference tool for workers when choosing jobs.

Maybe losing the AI race to China isn’t such a bad idea
The Pentagon’s first-ever chief software officer abruptly quit earlier this month, and now we know exactly why: Nicolas Chaillan, former CSO of the United States Air Force and Space Force, told the Financial Times that the United States has “no competing fighting chance against China in 15 to 20 years” when it comes to cyberwarfare and artificial intelligence.
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Being realistic

ideologies that hold manage get into power and stay in power aren't based on morality or the best system of government but rather which system appeals to the masses and can also suppress insurrections with military might
It doesn't matter if your fighting for communism, nationalism or in the name of the arab pedophile, what matters is your insurgents are able of body, have the will to fight and use effective tactics, what also greatly helps is their enemies having shitty 3rd world militaries
similarly you have to appeal to the masses, no alienating shit and no transhumanist bullshit, Lenin didn't read out "On Imperialisms" to the Russian masses, he didn't need too, all he needed was to say "Peace, Land and bread"
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Impending Cuban Protests


The same right wing organizations that instigated the anti-government rallies in July will once again be staging protests in Cuba tomorrow (10/11/21) and November 20th.


>The administration team of La Villa del Humor considered the July action to be a roaring success, and the first step toward a revolution that will depose the Communist government, in power since 1959. Fresh from their achievements, the group is helping to organize two new actions: a planned general strike in October and a larger set of nationwide demonstrations for November.

>Sunday, October 10 is Cuban Independence Day and a national holiday. Organizers are calling for it to mark the start of a general strike (paro nacional in Spanish) to cripple or topple the government. An announcement shared on social media (including on La Villa del Humor) states that organizations across the country are gearing up for a strike next week, with hashtags like #ParoNacionalCuba and #SOSCuba trending. “We summon all worthy Cubans, lovers of freedom, their neighbors, their friends and their families, to a National Strike on Monday, October 11,” the communique reads…

>It is, however, the actions scheduled for November 20 that appear to be generating more excitement in the community. Marches across the island are planned, including in Guantanamo, Holguin, Camaguey and Havana, where organizers hope to begin at the iconic Malecón in Old Havana and end up in front of the National Capitol building, the headquarters of the National Assembly of People’s Power.

Be prepared for an intensification of gusano propaganda in the coming days.
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Was the French Revolution actually revolutionary?
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Would reading Marx have saved him? Excluding how much he likes shitting on "leftists" in the first few sections, ISAIF gives off very similarly strong themes to Marx about one's alienation from their labour and how class society subjugates the individual and treats them as a cog in the societal machine rather than a human being.


>Industrial Society and Its Future lays very detailed blame on technology for destroying human-scale communities. Kaczynski contends that the Industrial Revolution harmed the human race by developing into a sociopolitical order that subjugates human needs beneath its own. This system, he wrote, destroys nature and suppresses individual freedom. In short, humans adapt to machines rather than vice versa, resulting in a society hostile to human potential.

Karl Marx:

>Let us suppose that we had carried out production as human beings. Each of us would have, in two ways, affirmed himself, and the other person. (i) In my production I would have objectified my individuality, its specific character, and, therefore, enjoyed not only an individual manifestation of my life during the activity, but also, when looking at the object, I would have the individual pleasure of knowing my personality to be objective, visible to the senses, and, hence, a power beyond all doubt. (ii) In your enjoyment, or use, of my product I would have the direct enjoyment both of being conscious of having satisfied a human need by my work, that is, of having objectified man's essential nature, and of having thus created an object corresponding to the need of another man's essential nature … Our products would be so many mirrors in which we saw reflected our essential nature.
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Convince me that equality is ever possible in this day and age. Convince me that there will be a day where racism and sexism will never exist. Convince me, please.
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The president of India introduced an infrastructure bill in April this year

Modi plans on using a fucking third of the Indian reserve money on public infrastructure alone, what exactly is this gonna do to the Indian economy and for Indians in the near future because a development plan this extreme can either go extremely well or extremely badly since all that infrastructure still needs to produce more revenue than its cost to build maintain and repair
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As rich rake in billions in profit

Soaring food prices drive hunger around the world
>The 2021 Global Hunger Index (GHI), published on Thursday, revealed soaring levels of hunger among the poor and working populations around the globe.

"The vast wealth of humanity, the product of our collective labor, is enough to feed, clothe, shelter and provide a rich and meaningful life to every human on this planet.

These immense resources, however, are controlled by a handful of billionaires and the super-rich, who have parasitically profited off the exploitation of the world’s working class and who squander this wealth. They have grown richer in the pandemic. Over the course of 2020, the world’s billionaires brought in an additional $1.9 trillion in personal wealth".
Exactly, one can see that the extreme inequality levels that has reached under Capitalism prevents the system from reproducing itself in a rather healthy manner under these conditions. The soaring food prices is a mere symptom of the deepening contradictions which has been further exacerbated with start of pandemic. For all this reason the ruling classes especially in advanced world economies who have failed to tackle these growing issues are now resorting to aggressive foreign policy pursuits as a desperate attempt to distract their public.
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Islamic Communism

Unlike Christian Communism, which is inherently imperialistic and oppressive, Islam is perfectly aligned with socialist values such as egality and tolerance.syndicalismSyndicalism
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Lebanon Collapse

So, why is Lebanon collapsing? Why isn't the World Bank/IMF propping up their currency, giving them loans, whatever. It's not like they have a socialist government. Is Israel behind this?
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Are you guys not tired of the smug one liners? Yes we get it. Capitalism bad. Landlord bad. Wow I've never heard that before. You aren't changing the world by posting that on twitter 39 times a day for 8 years. The fact that people are still clapping at woke twitter one liners is embarrassing.
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>Soviet union collapses
>Yugoslavia collapses
>the derg collapses
>Somali democratic socialist republic collapses
>dengism overtakes classical socialism in any remaining ML states
Fucken hell what in the ever loving fuck was wrong with that specific year???
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Joint stock company "Friedrich Krupp" - a private forge of the German military machine. What the company did during the Weimar Republic. How Gustav Krupp and other Ruhr magnates helped the Nazis seize power. What is the corporate state and what economic policies were carried out by the Nazis. Business, the Third Reich, and preparations for war - when the Second world war really began. As Krupp's men plundered Europe. What was happening in private concentration camps during the war and how they differed from SS camps. What punishment was given to criminals.

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Marginal use theory: Debunk

How to debunk marginal use theory?

I am not asking about proving the LTV, I already accept it. I am moreso asking which arguments can be used against the marginal use theory of value using only the axioms of this theory themselves.

A common argument is that the MUTV is circular. It describes value using price, and price using value, and even price using labor price. But can we discuss this indepth?
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Could someone share or recommend articles or books which systematically critique co-operatives?

Bonus points if it assumes that all production is done under a co-operative model. Currently finishing off an article which includes a brief critique of farm forestry co-operatives. I have a general critique but feel that I'm providing a fairly weak argument and as I know this is a topic that many writers have engaged with, I'd like to quote mine.
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First of all; I'm not a White Nationalist or anything, I'm a Muslim, but this is an issue that has been bugging me for a while; Why don't we care about demographics? London is now minority white, England and other countries might follow this trend. I won't share my country, but I wouldn't like being a minority in my country, why would Europeans like that for themselves? Could anyone help me with this? I've left some of my more reactionary beliefs (Race-Realism, Disliking black people, etc.) ever since I reverted to Islam, but this is something that just keeps annoying me.
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/uc/ Urban containment general

Since I'm not interested in flooding the catalog with endless threads dedicated to urban planning, and how governments should handle human settlements I decided to make this general thread where I and anyone reading this can dump whatever ideas they want related to urbanization and city design in this thread
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JS Mills Scenario

I just posted about a debt default scenario (i.e, USD goes plop, major economic fallout globally, American hegemony is likely dead as the US has to divert attention to internals to save the economy) in the stock market thread.

In such a case, the Chinese will probably become the premier economic power, and with cuts to American defense spending, within 10 years will become the premier global military power.

The nature of the world system and the designated hegemon now shifts.

Two questions:

First, will you be happy now that the US is fucked? If you're US-based, or even EU-based or even China-based, you'll be seeing massive economic damage in the process.

Second, will you switch sides and make China-bashing your new hobby now that Uncle Satan has been downed? It doesn't mean you've abandoned your socialist leanings, although quite a few people, given the fbi.gov in the United States, might go fascist because fash populism is attractive in a declining power, but will you be bashing China more now that it becomes the new global Big Bad?
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"Nazis aren't creative"
"All good art is leftist"

Ok then explain this then huh, buggers
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Is morality good?

A sequel to the morals thread.
Are morals really helpful, especially to a socialist? Knowing that morals sets boundaries on an individual regarding what's right and what's wrong, what's acceptable and what's not, and what's degenerate and what's not. Also, are morally upright individuals productive in a given community? Morals can be cultural, societal, or even religious.
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Capitalism as hell

What if Capital is an evil god/demiurge/devil and capitalism is the hell he produces?

Maybe this comes off as left wing horror breadtube shit but it totally makes sense.
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Joint stock company "Friedrich Krupp" - a private forge of the German military machine. What the company did during the Weimar Republic. How Gustav Krupp and other Ruhr magnates helped the Nazis seize power. What is the corporate state and what economic policies were carried out by the Nazis. Business, the Third Reich, and preparations for war - when the Second world war really began. As Krupp's men plundered Europe. What was happening in private concentration camps during the war and how they differed from SS camps. What punishment was given to criminals.
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Basic facts tankies can't accept

Direct worker control is good
Taiwan is a country🇹🇼
Anarcho-communism works
Uyghurs are in internment camps
Communist revolutions can easily happen without parties
Free Hong Kong🇭🇰
CHAZ was successful and beneficial for people
Free Tibet
Authoritarianism is evil and wrong
Tiananmen Square Massacre happened
Millions died because of the actions of five marxists dictators
There's no free press in Chinazi
You can't disagree with me, because that would be sectarianism
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Do you ascribe to the Labour theory of Value or to the scarcity principle, why or why not? I think it's that items that take less intensive effort are produced at a faster and greater rate thus they have less value, however pure gold is worth alot even before effort is taken to furnish it, which would disprove LT. items that take more intensive effort are usually made out of scarce resources so selling them for a cheap price isn't a good idea, and that's why they are expensive
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2021 :

United "KINGDOM", Australia and Canada are no longer "allied" with the United States .

Americans are alone on this one, they started the plan together to start a war in Asia that's true but time have changed, UK is bankrupt as hell, Australia had become the new age reich ans Canada well…being Canada…

Russia is only on the defensive as contrary as the media is saying, Putin is preparing the aftermath of all this shit .
+ Europe is fucked and NATO is no longer a real striking force at all, just look at Poland .

Middle eastern countries are slowly evolving with the PCC but nothing significative exept for Saudis they fear the end of the "oil age" shitting their pants in their gold bathtub waiting to die of thirst in the desert .

China as already won, Japan know this and that's why they want to gobak to an "imperial" state, South Korea is becoming the country of autism because of their denying of the situation and DPRK is liking that like never .

WW3 was the most boring conflict ever .
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Larouche Thread

So I've looked at Larouche's economic policies and he's kinda based.
>Pro FDR
>Pro Nuclear/Fusion Energy
>Anti British
>Anti Zionist
>Pro Multipolarity
>Pro National Credit
>Likes massive infrastructure projects and central planning
Idk leftybros its better than DSA's politics for sure
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Babby's First Theory: Normie Edition

Can we get a thread going for book/movie/podcast/yt channel recommendations for helping to radicalize our normie friends and family? Like, you could tell them to read the Manifesto or read Lenin but if they are normies they are likely to be turned off by the overt "commie" or "tankieness" implicit in these kinds of works. I'm talking stuff that is theoretically sound, but doesn't reveal its power level right off the bat.
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1991 Soviet coup d'état attempt

What if it had succeeded? Could it have saved it? Was it controlled opposition?

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so what would evola think about che? che was in theory a marxist who operated on materialism but he was also essentially a warrior king in spirit who spent his life traveling the South American landscape engaging in a spiritual struggle.
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The strike wave in the United States heralds a new stage in the global class struggle
>The escalating strike wave in the United States provides incontrovertible evidence that the working class is breaking free of the stranglehold of the reactionary trade union apparatus.

This is what we expected. This is what we anticipated. The new strike wave in America and the new stage in the global class struggle will transform everything. Only the ICFI anticipated it and prepared for it. While the development of the class struggle is an objective process, by the campaign and building of the rank-and-file committees, the world Trotskyist movement prepared the working class for this. In Sri Lanka, 90,000 teachers were on strike despite the union's attempt to sell out the struggle. The ruling elite, understand the real dangers to their interest by these developments. That is why they are promoting right-wing/ fascist movements
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Simple Question for Third Worldists.

Say you are in a city undergoing a huge famine, where there is nowhere near enough food for everyone eat.
One day while scowering abadone stores you and 9 other men come across 10 loves of bread.
One of the two men demands to take 8 loaves of the bread and force you all to share the other 2.
Another man demands you to share the bread equally with the million of inhabitants of the city.
Now when considering purely from an objective and MATERIAL stand point,
Which of these two men is the greater threat to the wellbeing of you and your family???
And if the man advocating to share the bread with the whole of the city ISN'T advocating in your material interest,
How then could he appeal to you on a Marxist basis??
As the whole of Dialetical Materialism is predicated on the engine of Material class interest.
The third worldist position is objectively more opposed to the material interests of the western working class then the position of the national bourg is,
change my mind.
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I was thinking of making a youtube channel/blog would leftypol like it.

I was thinking of making a youtube channel or blog where me a schitzo depressed lumpen proletariat tries to become a Chad bourgeoisie.
The channel or blog would detail my adventure from being a fucking mess to a Bourgeoisie chad.
Would you/leftypol like this idea?
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what the fuck does "left wing" and "right wing" even mean. And how effective are these terms really when "left wing" supposedly incorporates liberals, social democrats, socialists, communists, anarchists, etc.
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New Multitude- For Leftypol, by Leftypol

Old thread died so I made a new one.



Latest article:Kung Fu Yoga- China and India on a Collison Course?

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Sankara trial opens in Burkina Faso 34 years after killing of ‘Africa’s Che Guevara’
HOPES have been raised that a trial which opened in Burkina Faso today will “shed light” on what really happened to the country’s revolutionary leader Thomas Sankara. He was shot dead on October 16 1987 in a military coup just four years after becoming the African country’s president.

Majority of Israelis dismiss likelihood of peace with Palestinians: Survey
According to a survey by Israel Democracy Insitute, 87 percent of Israelis, including Palestinian citizens of Israel, believe that in the next five years, the possibility of establishing peace with Palestinians is very low. The priorities of Jewish Israelis focused instead on internal issues, with 35 percent saying that stabilising the economy ranked at the top of their interests.

Turkey to take 'necessary steps' in Syria following YPG attack, says Erdogan
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan vowed on Monday to respond to an attack by Kurdish YPG forces in northern Syria that left two Turkish police officers dead. "We have no patience left in some areas that are a source of terror attacks aimed at our country from Syria," Erdogan said after chairing a cabinet meeting attended by top ministers.

Environmental activists take Brazilian president Bolsonaro to ICC over ‘crimes against humanity’ for destruction of Amazon
The request for the ICC to begin legal proceedings against Bolsonaro was made by Austrian climate activists AllRise, marking the first time campaigners have sought to directly link deforestation to fatalities. “Crimes against nature are crimes against humanity. Jair Bolsonaro is fueling the mass destruction of the Amazon with eyes wide open and in full knowledge of the consequences,” AllRise founder Johannes Wesemann said.

3 Cadres Of CPI (Maoist) Killed During Firefight With Security Forces In Malkangiri District
Three cadres of the CPI (Maoist), including two women, were killed in an exchange of fire with security forces in the Tulasipahad reserve forest along the Odisha-Chhattisgarh border. The area falls under the jurisdiction of the Maithli police station in Malkangiri district. The identities of the deceased were yet to be verified, police sources said.

Lakhimpur Killings: Huge Gathering for ‘Antim Ardas’ of Slain Farmers, Journalist in Tikonia
On a stage set up at the sprawling ground at Sahebjada Inter College in Tikonia village, family members of deceased farmers Daljeet Singh and Gurvinder Singh of Bahraich district, Nachhatar Singh and Lovepreet Singh of Lakhimpur Kheri district, brother and daughter of journalist Raman Kashyap of Nighasan (Kheri) were seen holding photographs of the deceased.

Independence leader: Wall won’t stop Western Sahara fight
The leader of the Western Sahara independence movement says that fighting with Morocco will continue across a long wall cutting through Africa’s vast desert until the international community delivers on an unfulfilled promise of self-determination for the Saharawi people.

UK job vacancies hit record high amid worker shortages
Job vacancies in the U.K. rose to a record high of nearly 1.2 million, official figures showed Tuesday, a further sign that the British economy is experiencing worker shortages in an array of sectors as a result of the coronavirus pandemic and Britain’s departure from the European Union.

EU ready to scrap most post-Brexit checks on British goods entering NI
The EU will offer to remove a majority of post-Brexit checks on British goods entering Northern Ireland as it seeks to turn the page on the rancorous relationship with Boris Johnson. Up to 50% of customs checks on goods would be lifted and more than half the checks on meat and plants entering Northern Ireland would be abandoned under the bold offer from Brussels.

Data-rigging allegations against IMF chief fall short, says French source
Claims that she pressured World Bank staff to change data to boost China's "Doing Business" ranking when she was World Bank CEO are looming over the opening of week-long IMF-World Bank annual meetings on Monday. read more
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If modern capitalists, liberals, neoliberals, conservatives whatever you call them believe that the atomization of church and state, the seperation of powers to shift to democracy, the liberation of women and the empowerment of the masses was what made the west successful why dont they believe in the atomization of corporations and banks i.e. the seperation of corporations and banks from the state? after all it does fall into their views
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What is leftypol's opinion on disruptive capitalists, like Elon Musk, do we like them for pushing tech and development forward or hate them for propping up capitalism and prolonging it?
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What happened with 8chan /leftypol/? Do exist other left boards or only this site?
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Protests in Slovenia

So there have been anti-government protests going on in Slovenia for almost a year now, but in the last month and a half they have really escalated with the anti-restriction people starting more violent shit during protets.
Last week the police filled the water canon with tear-gas and sprayed people like motherfuckers which pissed of even more people. Today is quite calm ATM. Live stream available:
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(Infinite) Virtual Goods

If capitalists can literally create infinite value from absolutely nothing (virtual goods like gacha shit, lootboxes, NFT's memecoins etc) does that mean that the marxist view of the failing rate of profit is false/invalid? You can make any kind of virtual good that costs 0 to produce and retards will surely pay big money for a couple of numbers in a screen or they favorite waifu in a shitty game, isn't that actually the highest stage of capitalism? Create value from nothing.
I'm seriously worried about the future of the socialist movement if shit like this keeps happening
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>A cult is a social group that is defined by its unusual religious, spiritual, or philosophical beliefs, or by its common interest in a particular personality, object, or goal. Sociological classifications of religious movements may identify a cult as a social group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices. Since the 1970s, the … anti-cult movement has opposed certain groups, and in reaction to acts of violence which have been committed by some of their members, it has frequently charged them with practicing mind control.

What is the marxist-materialist explanation for cults? Are they more common under capitalism? And how would a socialist society deal with cults?
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Common Recruiting/Outreach tactics of various ideologies

Many orgs and, to a degree, ideological groups appear to have a general (contemporary) recruiting and outreach methods, and I want to see how accurate and universal this is:
'Leftist' ideologies (e.g. socialism)
>supporting unions
>college/university presence
>mutual aid/street kitchens
'Rightist' ideologies (e.g. extreme USA libertarianism, neo-fascism)
>militia groups
>gym/fitness groups
>gun clubs
Do you think this is an accurate list? Any more to add?
Of course there is some cross-bleeding (red/anti-fascist gyms, socialist rifle associations) but it seems trivial.

From these, there's already a clear trend, and I wonder how much is 'target audience we want' and how much is 'aiming for likely recruits'. Understandably, many communist groups are community-focused and workplace-focused, probably since it's largely an economically-focused ideology emphasizing workers. On the other hand, neo-fascist groups emphasize ideals of strength, power and masculinity, and US libertarianism emphasizing self-defense rights (like le gun amendment) and defense against the government.

Thoughts? What about less 'radical' ideologies; do they just live off the status quo of normal or do they have similar outreach?
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Should we move to Latin America, as socialism is far more popular there than here in the West? None of the socialist/communist groups in my country even have enough members to qualify for elections.
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Im curious

how will MENA, SEA and some parts of subsaharan africa and eastern europe evolve with islam around, does islam have a legitimate future in the modern world?
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News 10/13/21

CIA Funding Arm Gave Encrypted App Wickr $1.6 Million
In-Q-Tel, a nonprofit investment firm started by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), recently poured more than $1.6 million into encrypted messaging platform Wickr, according to public disclosure records reviewed by Motherboard. The $1.6 million was transferred before Amazon purchased the company, but highlights Wickr's continuing position as an end-to-end encrypted messaging app for government agencies. Beyond the In-Q-Tel investment, Wickr also has a specific product approved by the Department of Defense, and as Motherboard reported last month, a new $900,000 contract with U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP).

Pinera mobilises military against Chile’s indigenous Mapuche people
Troops have been deployed to put down protests in the provinces of Malleco and Cautin, where the restrictions are expected to last for at least 15 days, Locals fearing further state violence have said that “masses of soldiers” are stationed in nearby Concepcion ready to attack.

Mexico president says foreign companies smuggled fuel, names Trafigura
Mexican President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador said on Monday that well-known foreign companies had engaged in what he described as fuel smuggling and he named global energy trader Trafigura as an example of the practice.

Member of Jaish al-Islam killed by member of Jabaha al-Shamiyah in Afrin
The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR) reported that two gunmen of al-Jabaha al-Shamiyah faction have killed a young man of the displaced people in east al-Ghouta who belonged to Jaish al-Islam in the downtown of Afrin city in west Aleppo. Reasons and motivations behind the crime remained unknown.

West Bank: Israeli army targets school students with arrests, intimidation
At the school gates of the Al-Sawiya/Al-Lubban Mixed Secondary School, two Israeli soldiers stand with their rifles, while a number of troops line the sidewalks of settler highway 60, the only road that leads to the school.

Communists call for final push to overthrow Swazi regime as military shoot at striking students
THE Communist Party of Swaziland called today for a united struggle against the government as students were shot at and arrested by troops deployed across the southern African country. The party said the actions showed that the “regime has now been pushed to a corner” by the democracy movement and urged all progressive forces to join the fight.

Ethiopian offensive in two northern regions intensifies, Tigrayan forces say
An air and ground offensive by Ethiopian troops and their allies against rebellious forces from the northern Tigray region is intensifying, a spokesperson for the Tigrayan forces said on Wednesday, claiming "staggering" casualties.

China’s clean energy push targets sandy, rocky reaches for solar and wind power bases
China is at the centre of global demand and supply for renewables, having accounted for around 40 per cent of global capacity growth for several years, an International Energy Agency report said in May. And last year, China’s share rose to 50 per cent for the first time due to a rush to complete projects before government subsidies ended.

Coal Crisis Result of Govt's Incompetence, Lack of Planning: CPI(M)
The Communist Party of India (Marxist) on Tuesday hit out at the central government over the coal crisis in the country, alleging that it is a result of "incompetence and lack of planning". The Coal Ministry had on Sunday assured that sufficient dry fuel was available in the country to meet the demand of electricity generating plants, stressing that any fear of disruption in power supply is “entirely misplaced”.

Amazon India reportedly copied sellers’ products and rigged search results
Amazon’s India division engaged in a systematic campaign of copying items sold by third-party sellers and then manipulated search results to favor its own products, according to a Reuters report Wednesday that cites internal documents.
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>Decide to show up to my campus’s Young Socialists club.

>walk in

>see like five people
>currently, the most retarded person in the
room (a high bar to cross) is the foul-smelling trans girl carrying on a conversation with empty space.
>sit down
>hastily select club officers
>Happen to become the representative to student government
>a few days later, in the club fbi.gov
>get into an argument over infrastructure policy
>someone contends that state owned enterprises should only be run by native Americans
>says that it’s because they know the land much better
“To call America a nation of Americans is very uncomfy”
>they end the argument with “#landback”

Are we doomed?
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Awakening of labor movements

Thoughts on the shifting dynamics of labor power? I'm personally pleasantly surprised at how what was once thought implausible is happening and the pendulum is shifting away from capital and toward labor in terms of bargaining power.

The first incarnation of this trend seemed to be entirely "unconscious" if you will, and was triggered by the pandemic and workers spontaneously and collectively deciding to reconsider their the deals they were getting selling their labor, forcing wage increases and other worker-friendly structural changes.

This recent bit of news points to a more structured and consciously organized labor movement, with 100k workers across various unions preparing a synchronized strike action:

>Workers in various industries nationwide are threatening to go on strike in a sweeping effort to secure higher pay and better working conditions.

>More than 100,000 unionized employees — between Hollywood production crew members, John Deere factory workers and Kaiser Permanente nurses — have overwhelmingly voted to authorize strikes and are preparing to join the picket line unless they get stronger collective bargaining agreements.

Source: https://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/576456-more-than-100k-workers-threaten-strikes-as-unions-flex-muscles

What is most promising is the level of coordination and unity across industries as it is proof that the fragmentation and atomization of workers has fallen short . Thus a key barrier has been overcome.

Does these two developments hint at a resurgence in labor movements for the first time in decades? Capital has succeeded for decades in crushing collective bargaining, but they could not have anticipated something like the pandemic forcing their carefully planned arrangement to slip out of joint.

So are these shifts a sign of auspicious things to come and a weakening of the stranglehold capital holds over the relations of production, or is it a mere fluke?
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Brazilian Maoists fighting the army

Brazilian Maoists are not in a peoples war however they have been fighting the Brazilian state/army which is trying to take their land. I presume Brazil is going to privatise it or sell it off to imperialists.
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We, the spiteful

How big a motivator is spite in right wing thinking? I'll link the classic article by ames
>If the left wants to understand American voters, it needs to once and for all stop sentimentalizing them as inherently decent, well-meaning people being duped by a tiny cabal of evil oligarchs—because the awful truth is that they’re mean, spiteful jerks being duped by a tiny cabal of evil oligarchs. The left’s naïve, sentimental, middle-class view of “the people” blinds them to all of the malice and spite that is a major premise of Middle American life.
<Some people say that the Democrats are actually getting bolder and more vicious. I don’t buy it. What Gore and Pelosi and the others on their bandwagon are really trying to do is snuff out the real rage before it spreads and threatens their fake opposition. It’s a classic strategy in big politics: Co-opt the opposition, suck the life out of it and dump its dried-out shell on the side of the freeway, where it can never bother you again.
>This is America, not Denmark. In this country, tens of millions of people choose to watch FoxNews not simply because Americans are credulous idiots or at the behest of some right-wing corporate cabal, but because average Americans respect viciousness. They are attracted to viciousness for a lot of reasons. In part, it reminds them of their bosses, whom they secretly adore. Americans hate themselves for the way they behave in public, always smiling and nodding their heads with accompanying really?s and uh-huhs to show that they’re listening to the other person, never having the guts to say what they really feel. So they vicariously scream and bully others into submission through right-wing surrogate-brutes. Spending time watching Sean Hannity is enough for your average American white male to feel less cowardly than he really is.

<The left won’t accept this awful truth about the American soul, a beast that they believe they can fix “if only the people knew the Truth.”

>But what if the Truth is that Americans don’t want to know the Truth? What if Americans consciously choose lies over truth when given the chance–and not even very interesting lies, but rather the blandest, dumbest and meanest lies? What if Americans are not a likeable people? The left’s wires short-circuit when confronted with this terrible possibility; the right, on the other hand, warmly embraces Middle America’s rank soul and exploits it to their full advantage. The Republicans know Americans better than the left. They know that it’s not so much Goering’s famous “bigger lie” that works here, but the dumber and meaner the lie, the more the public wants to hear it repeated.
<The underlying major premise of humanist-leftist ideology assumes that people are intrinsically sympathetic, reasonable and fair, and are only spoiled by nefarious outside influences. But if you allow that tens of millions of Americans are defiantly mean and craven and defiantly ignorant, the humanist-left construct loses its purpose and self-destructs. “Why the fuck should I bother fighting for Middle Americans,” they ask, “if they’re just as loathsome, in their own petty way, as their exploiters, with whom they actively collaborate?”

>I can tell you why. They do so out of spite. Put your ear to the ground in this country, and you’ll hear the toxic spite churning. It’s partly the result of commercial propaganda and sexual desperation–a desperation far more common than is admitted. If you didn’t know anything about how America’s propaganda worked, you’d think that every citizen here experienced four-dimensional multiple orgasms with beautiful, creative, equally satisfied partners, morning, noon and night. So-called “Reality TV” makes life seem so much more interesting and epic and dramatic than it really is for the overwhelming majority—whose misery and malice only grow worse when they compare their own lonely, boner-killing reality to the “reality” on their TVs. “No wonder my reality has never been filmed—I’m not even real in this culture.” From that follows a nagging fear that others might discover just how unfilmable their reality worlds are–and spite towards anyone whose reality is filmable.

<The flat truth however is that despite all of our desperate attempts to convince ourselves otherwise, America is an erogenous no man’s land. Most white males here (at least the straight ones) have either dismal sex lives or no sex lives at all. No sex, no dates worth remembering, no romance worth reliving—even though a majority of Americans experience this barrenness on a daily basis, officially, consciously, it doesn’t exist. As bad as this hurts, the pain is compounded every time you expose yourself to the cultural lies that await you at every turn–that is, every waking hour and during deep REM sleep, when the subliminal messages kick in. This wretchedness leads to a desire for vengeance, to externalize the inner famine–it leads directly to the Republican camp.

>Rich, beautiful, coastal types are liberal precisely because their lives are so wonderful. They want to preserve their lives exactly as they are. If I were a rich movie star, I’d vote for peace and poverty relief. War and domestic insurrection are the greatest threats to their already-perfect lives–why mess with it? This rational fear of the peasantry is frequently misinterpreted as rich guilt, but that’s not the case. They just want to pay off all the have-nots to keep them from storming their manors and impaling them on stakes.

<Republican elites don’t set off the spite glands in the same way, and it’s not only because of a sinister right-wing propaganda machine. Take a look at a photo of the late billionaire Sam Walton, a dessicated Calvinist in a baseball cap and business suit, and you’ll see why. If Republican billionaires enjoy their wealth, they sure as hell hide it well. As far as one can tell, Republican billionaires genuinely like working 18-hour days in offices, and attending dreary charity dinners. More importantly, it’s hard for us to imagine that these stuffy gray-haired plutocrats have interesting sex lives—nothing inspires murderous envy more than someone else’s great sex life, which is why a celebrity is so much more viscerally hateful than the richest, meanest plutocrat. These right-wing billionaires’ idea of having fun is a day on the golf green (a game as slow and frustrating as a day in the office) or attending conferences with other sleazy, cheerless Calvinist billionaires. If that’s what all their wealth got them, let ’em have it–so says the spite bloc. This explains why the Republican elite–the only true and all-powerful elite in America today–is not considered an “elitist” class in the spleens of the white male have-nots. Elitism as defined today is a synonym for “happy,” not “rich” or “powerful.” Happiness is the scarcest resource of all, not money. And the happy supply has been cornered by the beautiful, famous and wealthy coastal elite, the ones who never age, and who are just so damned concerned for the have-nots’ well-being. In that sense, you can see how the Republicans were able to successfully manipulate the meaning of “elitism” to suit their needs. They weren’t just selling dogshit to the credulous masses; they were selling pancreatic balm to the needy.

>At the other end of the economic spectrum, non-millionaires who vote Republican know all-too-well that the country is not theirs. They are mere wage-slave fodder, so their only hope is to vote for someone who makes the very happiest people’s lives a little less happy. If I’m an obese 40-something white male living in Ohio or Nevada, locked into a permanent struggle with foreclosure, child support payments and diabetes, then I’m going to vote for the guy who delivers a big greasy portion of misery to the Sarandon-Robbins dining room table, then brags about it on FoxNews. Even if it means hurting myself in the process.

>If there were one perfect spite-ist president, it was Richard Nixon. He looked mean, spoke mean and stomped on the hippies who were having too many orgasms, the last real orgasms this country ever witnessed.
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Fate of Japan in the conflict between the US and China

ITT we discuss what will become of Nippon amidst the Second Cold War/potential Third World War
Will Japan continue its “alliance” (cuckery) with America?
Will the Japs recognize that war with China at America’s demand is a pointless suicide and just not do it?
Will they even side with China to keep getting them cheap manufacturing gibs?
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How long can it stay a vassale state?

I’m asking this because I find it to be a good question
The United States is desperate and I mean DESPERATE for control over South America to the point where nearly every South American country has all of its infrastructure deals regulated or directly funded by the USA ultimately explaining as to why development in that continent is so inconsistent or why countries like Brazil and Mexico face active economic decline and stagnation or other South American countries that are so plagued with exploitation and corruption to the point where some South American countries face worse conditions than in Africa

And that brings me to Haiti, that countries problems with corruption has gotten so deep that it’s citizens have gotten so fed up that they’re now trying to flee the country entirely if it means escaping corruption and that ultimately brings up a question of how long can the haitian government allow exploitation and how long can the USA maintain it. If the USA simply stops allowing haitian migrants or actively stops them from fleeing anywhere else they’re not gonna go back to continue being exploited, same logic can be applied to much of South America and likewise if no political reforms happen you get coups and potential for pushes towards aggressive behaviour like what happened with Russia and Iran as they faced seemingly endless sanctions only to grow as a bigger security threat to the west
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Is there a materialist explanation as to why the residents of this corporate dystopia are such unimaginable simps for authority and have a fetish for being ruled with an iron fist? They literaly get out of their way to swarm any discussion about it to tell everyone how great their system is and how everything outside that island is a wasteland of anarchy and thuggery. I met a girl that straight up told me how proud she is that her government "takes care of her speech so that she doesn't have to worry about offending someone and creating a disturbance"
The residents of SG literally petitioned the government to break diplomatic ties with taiwan because they held a play that mocked the practice of brutally flogging people for minor charges, because it "insulted their way of life"

It's fucking disturbing
How do you manage to break a human soul this bad?
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What is your honest opinion on the CHAZ / CHOP? Was it a complete disaster or was it some anarchist utopia that was the victim of bad press? Or was it something in between?
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Now that Elon is developing humanoid Androids with general AI, how will this change material conditions? Will it make wageslaves obsolete?
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The current state of south america

>multiple if not all South American economies are facing spending crises that have lasted for years fucking up with the per capita GDPs of these countries to the point where multiple South American countries have populations poorer than Africans
>multiple South American economies see life expectancies in active decline with some of the most noticeable examples being Mexico
>corruption in these countries runs so deep that the threat of migration is enough to dissolve these states or tear them apart in civil wars
>not a single one of these countries beyond Cuba is ever gonna reach first world living conditions
>drug cartels, human trafficking and worker exploitation has actually increased generally in latAm leading to civilians and children that had nothing to do with the geopolitical tension in these countries killed in the crossfire with the west’s nah fuck it just America’s refusal to end the war on drugs perpetuates this endless violence
>governments refusing to industrialize or invest in infrastructure that would benefit the needs of civilians while rapidly increasing the revenue of South American countries
Holy fucking shit, I’m not sure why bourgeoisie Americans even bother continuing to exploit South Americans all these problems coupled with waves of migration only mean an increasing portion of the American worker population is gonna want these idiots hanged and America as a state dissolved if it means not facing anymore exploitation or the belief South America will have any kind of peaceful future
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>the Tuvan government built an increasingly religiously dominated political structure, the Soviet Russians laid the foundations for a new leadership, primarily by making connections among Tuvan youths. Among the measures taken was the creation of a "Revolutionary Union of Youth" movement, members of which were militarily trained, and several Tuvan youths were sent to the Communist University of the Toilers of the East. In January 1929 during the Second Plenary Session of the Central Committee, five of the youths educated in Moscow launched a successful coup d'état, deposing Prime Minister Donduk and his faction. The new government launched a cultural revolution

>5 teens overthrew the tuvan theocracy

literally how
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Why doesn’t the US call itself an empire?

Honestly just wondering why the US Empire doesn’t just call itself the US or American Empire?
What’s the point in all the euphemisms when everyone understands there is no freedom or choice?
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In Australia the only large non corporate controlled trade union was attacked, by hundred of it's own members, because its "communist for not preventing forced vaccinations". (The union actually was against forced vaccines lol). So the most radical elements in the Australian working class are anti vax fascists. The country might be closer to fascism then USA I have no idea.
Is this some kind of false flag, a prominent Zionist Avi Yemeni was there.
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With the rise of CRISPR technology is it possible? And what should be enhanced of humans first? Intellect? lifespan? health and immunity to disease? Resistance to extreme heat/cold? Strength? Looks and attractiveness? Last one is a bit subjective\

How would genetic engineering play into socialism? Why not engineer everyone to have a genius level intellect and it would accelerate technological change unbelievably?
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German Anti mask schizo shoots cashier

>German Anti mask schizo shoots cashier
Whats up with this? Germany even had a racist mass shooting last year where 9 migrants died. Is Germany the America of europe now or something?
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How were retards treated in the USSR/PRC?
What is the communist take on retards?
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Merck Sells Federally Financed Covid Pill to U.S. for 40 Times What It Costs to Make

>A five-day course of molnupiravir, the new medicine being hailed as a “huge advance” in the treatment of Covid-19, costs $17.74 to produce, according to a report issued last week by drug pricing experts at the Harvard School of Public Health and King’s College Hospital in London. Merck is charging the U.S. government $712 for the same amount of medicine, or 40 times the price.
>Last Friday’s announcement that the new medicine cut the risk of hospitalization among clinical trial participants with moderate or mild illness in half could have huge implications for the course of the coronavirus pandemic. Because it’s a pill — as opposed to monoclonal antibodies, a comparable antiviral treatment that is administered intravenously — molnupiravir is expected to be more widely used and, hopefully, will cut the death rate. In the first 29 days of the trial, no deaths were reported among the 385 patients who received the drug, while eight of the people who received a placebo died, according to the statement put out by Merck and Ridgeback Biotherapeutics, the two companies that are jointly launching it.
>In addition to having huge implications for health, the pill could bring staggering profits to both Merck and Ridgeback Biotherapeutics. A small Miami-based company, Ridgeback licensed the medicine from Emory University in 2020 and two months later sold the worldwide rights to the drug to Merck for an undisclosed sum. Although Ridgeback remains involved in the development of the drug, some have described the deal as “flipping.”
>Like the vast majority of medicines on the market, molnupiravir — which was originally investigated as a possible treatment for Venezuelan equine encephalitis — was developed using government funds. The Defense Threat Reduction Agency, a division of the Department of Defense, provided more than $10 million of funding in 2013 and 2015 to Emory University, as research done by the nonprofit Knowledge Ecology International has revealed. The National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, part of the National Institutes of Health, also provided Emory with more than $19 million in additional grants.
>Yet only Merck and Ridgeback will reap the profits from the new antiviral, which according to Quartz could bring in as much as $7 billion by the end of this year. After the announcement of the encouraging clinical trial results on Friday, Merck’s stock price climbed, while stock prices of some vaccine makers sagged. Despite its initial investment, the U.S. government seems to be facing a steep markup in prices. In June, the government signed a $1.2 billion contract with Merck to supply 1.7 million courses of the medication at the $712 price. The transaction is due to take place as soon as molnupiravir receives emergency use authorization from the Food and Drug Administration.
>Good government advocates are pointing out that because federal agencies spent at least $29 million on the drug’s development, the government has the obligation to ensure that the medicine is affordable. “The public funded this drug, and therefore the public has some rights, including the rights you have it available under reasonable terms,” said Luis Gil Abinader, senior researcher at Knowledge Ecology International.
>In an interview on CNBC, Ridgeback co-founder Wendy Holman noted that the company asked for but “never got government funding” to help manufacture molnupiravir. A whistleblower complaint filed by Rick Bright, the former director of the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority, or BARDA, in May 2020, described Ridgeback’s unsuccessful efforts “to secure approximately $100 million” from BARDA to develop the drug as a Covid-19 treatment. The company’s press release about the study results also noted that “since licensed by Ridgeback, all funds used for the development of molnupiravir have been provided by Merck and by Wayne and Wendy Holman of Ridgeback.”
>Abinader was critical of Ridgeback’s failure to acknowledge the government’s initial investment in the drug before the company acquired it. “What they want to do, apparently, is to shape the narrative about who paid for the development of this drug in order to avoid demands from the public to make it available at reasonable prices,” he said.
>In an emailed response to questions submitted to Ridgeback Biotherapeutics for this article, Davidson Goldin wrote, “Ridgeback has never received any government funding for molnupiravir and self-funded the development of this medicine for treating SARS-CoV-2 when the government did not provide financial support.” Merck did not respond to inquiries about this article.
>Merck has promised to make molnupiravir accessible around the world and has already entered into licensing agreements with five Indian companies that manufacture generic drugs. “Merck has committed to providing timely access to molnupiravir globally, if it is authorized or approved, and plans to implement a tiered pricing approach based on World Bank country income criteria to reflect countries’ relative ability to finance their health response to the pandemic,” the company said in its announcement of the trial results on Friday. Indian companies are planning to price the drug at less than $12 for a five-day course, according to recent reports.
>In the U.S., and likely in many upper-middle-income and all high-income countries, the price will be determined by the market. Noting that the treatment may be offered to people who are not yet severely sick with Covid-19, health advocates fear that will mean some in these countries will not be able to afford the new drug. “Offering someone a $700 treatment when they don’t yet feel that ill is going to mean that a lot of people are not going to take it,” said Dzintars Gotham, a physician at King’s College Hospital in London and a co-author of the report on the pricing of molnupiravir. According to the report, pricing molnupiravir at $19.99 would allow a company a 10 percent profit margin.
>Melissa Barber, a doctoral candidate at the Harvard School of Public Health and co-author of the report on molnupiravir, said that, while its pricing is not as extreme as that of some other drugs, it will likely still place the antiviral out of reach of some who could benefit from it. “If you can’t afford medicine because it’s 1,000 times more than you can afford, or because it’s 100 times more than you can afford, it doesn’t matter,” said Barber. “Those are both bad.”
>Barber and Gotham acknowledge that the $17.74 cost of producing a five-day course of the antiviral pills is an estimate but said that the algorithm they used, and have employed to estimate the production costs for hundreds of drugs, tends to result in overestimates in the long run.
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Learning economics from a capitalist standpoint

Can you point me to literature that can teach me economics from a capitalist standpoint? Something comprehensive, but preferably not too long (sub 800 pages). I want to be well accustomed to the conceptualization and rationalization of contemporary economics from a capitalist standpoint, because otherwise I feel like I'm being intellectually dishonest, although I have some understanding of how deeply flawed capitalism is on a systemic level.
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One man's shopping trip turned scavenger hunt shows how the supply-chain crisis has created an 'ever

>A global supply-chain crisis has emptied shelves, creating a cascading effect of shortages and price hikes that have become increasingly difficult to pin to a single item.
>During an everyday errand run, The Atlantic's staff writer Derek Thompson said he found that snarls in the global supply chain had created an "everything shortage." Thompson said what should have been a quick errand run for an at-home COVID-19 test, some paper towels, and prescription drugs turned into a sort of multistore scavenger hunt.
>The shopper went to a CVS, whose at-home COVID-19 tests and paper towels had sold out. Then, he went to a Walgreens that had run out of everyday prescription medications, as well as a Target, whose ransacked shelves were "alarmingly barren, like the canned-food section of a grocery store one hour before a hurricane makes landfall," he said.
>Thompson's plight — read his full account here — represents a common scenario in US retail stores. At the onset of the pandemic, panic buying of household goods like
toilet paper
and disinfectant wipes pushed jarring shortages across the country and prompted price hikes and rationing. While the shortages seemed to abate as 2020 came to a close, 2021 has brought its own shortages. From short supplies of chicken wings, diapers, and toilet paper to homes, furniture, computer chips, and cars, it seems no market has escaped the effects of the global supply-chain crisis.
>What's more, the crisis shows no signs of easing anytime soon. Last month, two of the largest ports in the US hit multiple records, as over 60 hulking cargo ships floated off the coast of Southern California — and it's not the only US port breaking records.
>It's not just one issue plaguing the supply chain, in what Thompson calls a "hydra of bottlenecks." Backlogs at the ports have also caused delays at warehouses, on railways, and across the trucking industry.
>The amount of time, as well as the amount of money, it takes to ship an item from Asia to its final destination in the US has more than doubled in the past year, and experts are sounding the alarm. Last month, multiple executives told customers to brace for continued shortages and price hikes into 2023.
>The holiday season is boosting demand at the same time the entire supply chain is struggling to combat COVID-19 shutdowns, equipment shortages, and low worker levels. Companies from Nike to clothing brands and toy makers have told customers that their products will be more difficult to find this holiday season, as supply-chain experts say the holiday shopping season will look different this year.
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Can we discuss the boomer question? There was another thread on gen Z, but it makes little sense to problematize gen z as they still have time to work the kinks out and have marginal social power aside from being social media savvy and young in a culture that idealizes youth. Boomers are, as everyone knows, the generation of most sociopolitical significance because they dominate the economy and politics.

There is little doubt in my mind that they are the source of many of society's ills, but I don't necessarily think because of the rotten and out-of-touch mentality stereotypically attributed to them. I believe it is more basic than that .

The problem with boomers per se is not the boomers themselves, but the basic fact that human civilization is not adjusted to having the generation in power last as long as they. Typically the eldest generation expires before they become unable to respond to current problems. We have modern medicine to blame for being too good. Boomers are the longest lived generation in history. The reason that's the bad thing is that their mental model of the world is not just wrong, it is woefully outdated by neurobiological necessity. Their view of the world has frozen at a certain date at which the mind stops updating itself according the curtailment of synaptic growth and neuroplasticity due to age and the result senescence. As such boomers still rule, but they do not understand what they rule over, as their cognitive operating system which renders their model of the world is not only out of date but no longer supported.

Therefore the whole discourse about the boomer problem has been somewhat mislead. Although there are historical and socioeconomic dynamics unique to the boomer generation which are valid issues, as boomers were raised to be greedy hogs and were taught that selfishness was a virtue, making them their generational spawning the perfect ideological acolytes for capitalism. However there is an additional problem with them which will be the case in the future, supposing that life expectancy remains at current levels or continues to grow. And that is simply that gerontocracy has deep flaws associated with the tapering of cognitive ability and obsolescence of mental models that comes with senescence.

Thoughts on this theory? Thoughts in general?
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Peter Zeihan

What does /leftypol/ think of peter zeihan. Is his analisis about demographic collapse in Europe and East Asia correct, as well as his predictions about a comming reduction in global trade? Or is his work just burger imepralist cope.
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Real Fucking Challenge

I made this thread so that I want to hear your opinions about this, since I don't fucking know how to even respond. I'm not going to say where did I get those quotes from.

>Communisms core tenants is literally creating a group of people that are classless and liquidating both the bourgeoise and any races that need more help than others. It is why the Soviets even under Lenin and Trotsky genocided ethnic groups.

>Eugenics is a core tenet of Communism, even the Neo Marxist Markuz ascribed to trying to breed a better man for the new Communist state which would require the cleansing of those "left behind"
>Racism is perscribed under all Marxist branches of Ideology.

>Capitalism does not necessitate the exploitation of another race based upon racial discrimination or even at all.

>Eugenics is straight up mentioned by many communists ideologues from Engels to Markuz

>Communism is a Hermetic Religion founded upon Hegals asinine fascination with the alchemical process, ie Dialectic, he fashioned by ignoring Kants notable objections to the concept of a Dialectic and fusing it with Fischtes obsession with Germanic Idealism.

>Communism is divorced from reality; both in its perception of the nature of Man, Central Planning and especially it's materialistic scalping of any sense of right or wrong. It collapses on itself and its sycophantic supporters are incapable of doing anything but destroying.

>Capitalism does not exploit along racial lines in practice every time and saying its Racist because of how some tend to implement it does not mean the system itself is racist just that humans themselves tend to be racist.

>That is literally those communists opinions, if you read their books you would know this and it is reflected in their Ideology as written and always when it is implemented it is why Genocide is a key component of Communism.

>Communism does not understand the human condition because it was Marx himself lived a life of luxury and did not have to understand the many facets of the Human condition. There is everything wrong with applying materialism to right and wrong because Materialism by its very nature is not metaphysical. You do not need Divine Law to justify morality but you cannot justify morality under Materialism.

>Capitalism does not necessitate the exploitation of people along racial lines nor overseas. It is nothing but a lot of people engaging in the process of producing a good or service in exchange for a good or service.

And in practice it has uplifted more poverty ridden places in the world than Communism ever has or can or will.
>As poor as the conditions are in third world countries the money that those people gain access to still has given them a path to improve their living conditions for themselves and countries.

>Marx literally condemned his own son to poverty and illness because if people knew his son was his bastard concieved out of wedlock than it would tarnish his image. Marx had no conception of Human nature and spoke in the most obfuscating vagueries of his condition and was possessed by a shrill bitterness at how awful life was and made the rich the embodiment of everything wrong as a childish coping mechanism.

>He was a manchild that never worked a day in his life and never contributed anything to society which perfectly fits with the kinds of people who follow his sophistry ridden whingings.
<"He knew true suffering way better than somebody like you ever would, or for that matter the rich nobles and capitalists that opposed his ideas"
>You know literally nothing about me you communist stooge.

Where the FUCK do you even begin with?
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On Gen X

If we had discussions on Boomers, Zoomers, and Millennials already…
it's wise to talk about Gen X.
Discuss anything Xer ITT.
Also Xer material posts welcome.
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Bitcoin Volcano Man

Is Bitcoin Volcano Man anti-imperialist?

AmeriKKKans seems want to overthrow him and force El Salvador go back to fiat.

IMF also keeps getting butthurt over him.
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I just showed up to the first canvassing (not organizing) session of my local "housing justice organization" since they quit holding them at the end of the moratorium. I expected a shift in strategy and a resurge in numbers, but instead there were only two other people and we just ended up passing out fliers on the governmental rent assistance program; in other words, doing the Democrats' job for them by implementing their own conservative bread-crumb legislation! One of these people is a local PSL member who says they "want to be like Lenin" and will quote shit from WITBD about "economism", and yet has no self awareness that what this organization is doing - random action with no intent to build power but instead to "help people" - is the modern equivalent, or even worse, than economism! They have never once talked about labor organizing to me, and when asked about tenant organizing has said, "We can't tell people what to do - we just have to wait until someone asks us to help them organize." Is this what the PSL calls political education?

The existing leftist orgs have more than one leftist (not communist, but I'm being generous) who has a head on their shoulders, but even they tend to cede to the idiots with influence. I never heard back from the IWW and gave up on trying to contact them. This is no Chicago, but it's definitely not rural - this problem is not rural but endemic to the American left. And yet a lot of us here are Americans. So what the fuck are we even doing?

I want to flip out at everyone in charge of these left "coalitions", but they'll see me as some kind of retard for being upset, because these people are not communists. Should you decide to sit through their bullshit meetups, gain their trust, and try to throw in suggestions edgewise, it will become obvious how useless this is given that they don't even agree that the objective is to get the workers involved or to build power of any sort. That is not communism. And given that the PSL members present have never shown any issue with this program or attempted to change it, that includes them as well.

I don't care about PSL's screeds on Venezuela if they won't fucking spend time organizing workers. I don't care about X vs Y party's fifty-year beef if they won't work together on basic issues. Communists and socialists working 100 years ago literally built a labor movement so strong it caused a profitability crisis; we might be smaller today, but how can such a small group not be united on such a basic principle? The left might be infamous for its squabbles, but since when have communists or even anarchists ever been in disagreement that the left's power comes from workers and/or peasants organized as a class?

You guys talk a lot about radlibs on here, but is it really this bad all over the US? The future of humanity is fucked if we can't build a movement right now, bros. Trying to get in touch with IWW again is my last chance. I don't usually blogpost or rant on here, but this is honstly getting me super blackpilled. If the solution is really just to try and convince these people, then I will try, but we don't have the time to stand around debating them. We have just about no time at all.
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Alright so what the fuck are you going to do with all the white people if you even get this land back shit off the ground? I highly doubt that most yanks will be able to reintegrate into the UK or anything like that even if they speak the same language, it just seems to be really larpy to me.
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The 90 percent “no” vote at Deere and the growing rebellion against the corporatist unions
>The margin of the contract rejections at Deere, Volvo, Dana and other companies expresses the real relationship between the so-called “unions” and the working class.

The main characteristic of a revolutionary period is the independent mobilization of the working class. This is what we are now witnessing. The 90 percent “no” vote at Deere workers, confirms the correctness of the analysis of the ICFI, and the necessity of building rank and file committees. The “Ice Age”, where the labor bureaucracies are able to manipulate the worker's opposition for their ends is a thing in the past. In the advanced US, or in backward Sri Lanka we can see the workers are coming into conflicts with the unions and taking a way out. The initiative of the workers at Volvo trucks in Virginia are now spreading to the other parts of the US. And the workers in other countries are taking that lead. While the revisionist of all forms rejects the revolutionary role of the American working class, the ICFI was/is based on the revolutionary capacity of the US workers. It is not accidental the American SEP is playing the leading role in organizing this worker's rebellion against international capitalism.
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Why was it the one of only good one

Most businesses are never ever innovative and rarely ever produce anything to consumers that isn’t overpriced garbage but they might’ve done something different. This is genuinely one of the only companies I’ve seen that
>actually innovated without government aid
>actually produced a finished product
>actually treated its workers decently
>expanded in size naturally through genuine labour
What was different about IBM compared to other companies and why the fuck didn’t succumb to the same hyper culture vapourware faggotry that is the rest of the American big tech industry?
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What even is it from what I have seen it just seems to be very removed from Keynesian economics and a non Marxist method for interpreting what is wrong with capitalism.
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fascists and the economy

socialist economics? check
capitalist economics? check
fascist economics? well… *ahem*

what would you expect if fascists handle a country's economy? will it involve the same redistribution and the like just like socialism, or having those private property stuff like capitalism, or something else entirely
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Why is the corporate media trying to make this guy happen?

Frenchie here.
I can't open the news without seeing this fuckers face plastered everywhere. He's gaining so much points in the poll. Not even trump had this much airtime. What is the endgame here? The only candidate that was this heavily (and artificially) promoted was macron.
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A case for causious optimism

China is developing parts of Asia and Africa, and that put competitive stress on capital markets because they no longer are the only game in town.

NATO's ability to function as a attackdog of global capital has slightly waned in the last decade.

the geopolitical situation is already changing and will be unrecognizable in less than 10 years. The US's cold war is not going well, they offer only the stick and no honey. It is merely slowing down the change towards a world without a hegemon.

The declining fertility is the result of capital overexploiting workers and as brutal as this may be, the combined effects of China's thirdworld development and the shrinking number of workers will make the proletariat again the main political protagonist.

The prospects for the future are good, but it will be a difficult journey to get there.
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World peace bros...

Why couldn't Xi keep down the national chauvinism and LARPing?
Imagine China being the leader of the international stage, in peace and prosperity and open borders to the world, spreading the socialist message to the world. No border conflicts, no hate. Learning Mandarin in high school to communicate with our brothers and sisters.

United Nations.
Human Rights.
1 Race.
Human Race.

Unironically though why must China and USA LARP and seek a Cold War v2?
I've always been fascinated with Chinese culture but I'm actually scared of residing in that country now; I keep hearing horror stories of xenophobia on the rise there.
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Are the Republicans the New "Left" Party in America?

>Republicans Now Advocate Workers Rights to Maintain Job regardless of Vaccination Status
>Republicans Now Advocate AGAINST corporate controll of social media and making it a public resource
>Trump did an economic recovery that was to the LEFT of barack obama with actual INCREASES in unemployment (opposed to mere extension) direct checks (which dems wanted to means test; and DID infact once they got power) and Pay check protection (Which saved Millions of jobs that were lost durring obama due to him doing fuck all)
Is it safe to say that the Republicans are now the more economically left of the two parties??
Not trying to meme about,
just genuinely crossed my mind
>Inb4 "muh universal health care" "muh free college"
If the dems dont actually DO this how tf does it make them more left???
The Republicans have shown they WILL implement economic stimulous MORE distributive then the democrats and end Vaccine mandates (which in the United States literally rob workers of their healthcare when implemented)
The dems have NEVER and will NEVER pass universal healthcare.
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>Zeitgeist Movie and 2 sequels
>Attempted Zeitgeist Movement
>Who Killed The Electric Car?
>Revenge of the Electric Car
>Occupy Wall Street
>An Inconvenient Truth
>Food, Inc.
Why did the early 2000s witness an anti-capitalist wave starting before the 2008 crisis?
Are we going to see something similar in the coming years?
It seems to me that environmentalism, "ethical capitalism" and "sustainable growth" bullshit are built by mainstream media to prevent any real anti-establishment movement from sprouting again.
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Since when does the Bible teach this?
What is the main reason on picrel? Why do white supremacists believe that God told them to not mix with other races, even though God (through Jesus) preached equality because we're all human?
Could they be reading THEIR version of the "Bible"?
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News 10/11/21

Italian fascists and anti-vaxers storm union HQ
The main group of protesters in Rome tried to break through police lines to reach Prime Minister Mario Draghi’s city centre office, the Chigi Palace, while a separate group tried to smash their way into the headquarters of the Italian General Confederation of Labour (CGIL) trade union body with the use of sticks and metal bars.

Bad week for Czech PM after Pandora papers help dethrone him
The populist Czech president remained in hospital on Monday as news sank in that Andrej Babiš, the billionaire prime minister, had suffered a shattering general election defeat days after the release of the Pandora papers and that Miloš Zeman, his main political champion, may be too ill to save him.

Communist party ousted from parliament for first time in Czech Republic's history
For some, the alliance with center-right populist party ANO may have been a final straw. The Communist Party took just 3.6 percent of the vote in this weekend's election, and have now lost their seats in the Czech Chamber of Deputies, the country's lower house. Going back into the history of the former Czechoslovakia, it will be the first time since 1925 that a communist political party is not represented in the Czech parliament.

London police to take ‘no further action’ on sex abuse allegations against Prince Andrew after review
Police in the UK have dropped an investigation into allegations of sexual abuse against Prince Andrew, telling the British media that they decided not to proceed after studying a civil case filed by accuser Virginia Giuffre. London’s Metropolitan Police announced that it had concluded its third review of the sexual abuse case involving Prince Andrew, and would be taking “no further action.”

ITBP Trooper Injured During Encounter With Naxalites In Narayanpur District
An Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP) trooper was injured on Friday when Naxalites fired at him in Chhattisgarh’s Narayanpur district, police said. The incident took place when Constable Sandeep Kumar of the 53rd Battalion was at a mobile check post in his camp in Kohkameta village, Narayanpur Additional Superintendent of Police Neeraj Chandrakar said.

J&K: 5, Including JCO, Killed in Gunfight Near Poonch Forest as Violence Escalates
Five Army soldiers, including a Junior Commissioned Officer (JCO), were killed in Poonch area of Jammu in a fresh gunfight that broke out between armed forces and a group of militants on Monday.

Japan opposition vows to tax the rich in election platform
The CDPJ looks to raise the capital gains tax to 25 percent by fiscal 2023 in principle and eventually lift it to 30 percent, Edano said in parliament Monday. The Japanese Communist Party, which the same day unveiled its own campaign platform, vowed to give cash handouts of 100,000 yen to middle-income households and raise the minimum wage, currently averaging at 930 yen, to 1,500 yen per hour. Like the CDPJ, the JCP looks to lower the consumption tax to 5 percent.

Israel says it will keep Golan as Assad's fortunes, U.S. views shift
Bennett's remarks came as the current U.S. administration hedges on the Golan's legal status and some U.S.-allied Arab states ease their shunning of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad over his handling of a decade-old civil war. Addressing a conference about the Golan's future, Bennett said the internal Syrian strife had "persuaded many in the world that perhaps it is preferable that this beautiful and strategic territory be in the State of Israel's hands.

Low turn out in Iraqi elections as Muqtada al-Sadr appears to be kingmaker
Just 41 per cent of the 25 million eligible voters participated in the election, which took place ahead of schedule as one of the key demands of the protest movement. Nonetheless, the Iraqi Communist Party and others called for a boycott, arguing that participation would legitimise the country’s corrupt parliament and broken political system.

Guerrillas strike Turkish attack helicopters in Avaşîn and Zap
On October 10, Turkish attack helicopters set to bomb the Werxelê Resistance Area in Avaşîn region were targeted by our forces. One attack helicopter was damaged as a result of the strikes by our forces, after which the helicopters withdrew from the area.
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Just venting

>80% of the countries on this planet aren’t actually having their economy’s develop but rather are stuck in an economic limbo of trying to extract increasingly worthless capital from each other as global debt surges
>the largest economy on the planet the United States is worth less than half of its actual gdp sitting at 7 trillion in revenue it’s produced not in a year but in its entire pathetic history while the entirety of NATO only grows more geopolitically bloodthirsty as time passes in search of proper to exploit
>more and more countries all of which neoliberal are reporting declining life expectancies caused by ignoring safety regulations and depriving people’s of healthcare while jacking up living costs
>the geopolitical landscape of today is expected to remain unchanging as boomers dominate in both developing and developed countries and the transition to gen z having any influence over the planet will take a bare minimum of 80 years
>the USA has launched a second Cold War against China as a response to declining profit margins and seeks war as a way to make more printed capital worth a fuck which means more proxy wars, more propaganda more exploitation and more coups than before with another threat of automated warfare
>food and rent prices will only continue to surge globally sending more and more proles into food insecurity and hence fuel an aging crisis which in turn leads to a fertility crisis with several countries seeing a population decline most of which are either island nations or Eastern European countries post ussr
I don’t know how to feel about all this, how long does the average global worker expect to stay working? Most proles likely aren’t going to retire as most boomers never did and likewise the ones that did are going back to work while the planet is plagued with crisis after crisis that make the threat of a depression seem pretty much harmless. What’s the future of religion or nations or traditions or any other spook as society turns towards objective morality and urbanism? Idk why am I writing this
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Why a cable company funded an even more right wing version of fox news and created it from scratch?

>OANN — which broadcasts conspiracy theories about COVID-19 and the 2020 election to its conservative audience — was even the idea of AT&T executives, who, per testimony reviewed by Reuters, asked now-CEO Robert Herring Sr. to make a conservative network to compete with Fox News in 2013. The executives, he testified, thought there were too many liberal channels, too. (Thanks to an acquisition of WarnerMedia in 2018, AT&T owns CNN.) Per Reuters, AT&T has contributed “tens of missions of dollars in revenue” to the network, which has faced lawsuits for its coverage of the 2020 election. In fact, the report shows, 90% of OANN’s revenue comes from a contract with television platforms AT&T owns, including DirecTV.
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Battlestar Galactica

Does anyone else really love this show? In terms of its production quality for the early 2000s, it still looks great today. I recently copped myself a Blu-ray edition of the entire reimagined series. Not to count great characters, acting, action, drama, and lore. If you haven't seen this before definitely give it a watch. Also, critical support to the based Cylons lead by Comrade Cavil. Fuck the bourgeois cosmopolitan KKKapricans and 12 KKKolonies of Kobol.
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Positive and normative

Do Marxism and Marxism-Leninism make both positive claims ("Is") and normative claims ("Ought") or only one set of claims?

Is historical materialism, in its formulation of historical necessity ("History is on our side", "Five year plan was necessary", "Cultural revolution was necessary") a conflation of positive and normative?

Are we motivated because we wish to to advance the will of history, because it needs to (this possible conflation of positive and normative) or because of humanism (the normative)?
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I just came up with a thought experiment, you can tell me what you think

The question is whether or not the primary concern of the Bourgeoisie is Capital. I think we can rule out most things besides Capital like "the Nation" or other spooky stuff

Even seemingly nationalist minded bourgs will allow Deflation *within their own country* while raising GDP with costly and rare imports to other nations. This way they don't have to face a threat brewing at home at least for a time

The thing is for countries where this isn't exactly feasible, why wouldn't these less powerful bourgs just create an artificial receiver and indefinitely raise GDP while avoiding threats at home?

What I mean is, why doesn't NASA form a pretend space colony that only a few people are in on and import there? it's pretend too so it wouldn't be very costly, we have CGI now too and brainwashing the masses is fairly easy

My explanation for why this hasn't happened, though it may have been attempted, is limitation of resources compared to a population that would skyrocket
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Are we living in the final days of Web 2.0?

Is it the end of the Internet?
We are currently in an accelerating global crisis beyond what existed on October 11, 2020 what with the still ongoing pandemic, global energy crisis, and now global supply chain collapse and subsequent declaration of the Second Cold War by the CIA
Now let’s look at the internet
>Consolidated into a few massive websites
>Entire oceans of data collected about the populace
>Increasing woke censorship across the entire web
>Endless bot farms replacing human programmers and moderators
>Small off-shoot competitors keep arising that only exist to compete with the currently reigning sites
>Big sites all vulnerable to crashes and data leaks on their own, so definitely vulnerable to hacking and state interference
<Coronal mass ejection will likely happen by end of the decade
It’s over for Web 2.0 and I’m glad, fuck Reddit, fuck Twitter, fuck Facebook, fuck Google, fuck 4Chan, and FUCK THE CIA
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Did you know there is still slavery in Russia in the current year? But it's not the russian people who get to own slaves it's the churkas (mudslimes) who can buy/sell and own russian slaves since russian laws are not applicable to their regions where they live. And the price is not even that high. To own a russian hard laborer you only need to spend 50 thousands rubles (~700$).

>Peter Pelekhanov and Olga Lifatova wanted to spend their vacation at Cape Fiolent in Sevastopol, but decided to get there by stopover. They got lucky on the Don highway. The bus driver offered them a lift to the place. But he warned them that they would need to stop in Stavropol on the way. At the same time he offered them a job on a farm, but the couple refused. Only at dawn did Pyotr realize that they had arrived in Dagestan. And he learned from the driver that the couple, along with the other passengers, had been sold into slavery.

>The next morning Pyotr and Olga, they said, were bought in Derbent for 50 thousands rubles by local businessman Yamudin Akhmedov. The next month went like this: they were woken up at four in the morning, forced to work all day in the greenhouses in the village of Novaya Maka, and locked up in an uninhabitable room for the night. It was not until early October that Peter found a hatch under a pile of garbage and the prisoners managed to escape. The guys returned to Moscow and are planning to get justice - their statements to the police in Dagestan were fruitless.


And this is not a one time situation. Just google "brick factory in dagestan" or "киpпичный зaвoд в дaгecтaнe" and you will find lots of videos of people who managed to ran away from them. There are also activists here who's life purpose is to find, help and free the slaves since it's almost impossible to do on your own because the dagestan "police" (lmao) not only won't help a runaway slave they will bring the slave back to the owner.
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What do you guys think about Christopher Hitchens? Obviously he is famous for being a Marxist who switched sides to support the Iraq War but other than foreign policy none of his other views changed. Even when he was dying of cancer he said he still considered himself a Marxist and a socialist yet everyone on the left seems to have disavowed him for having only one wrong belief. People act like he became a Republican when none of his views changed except for foreign policy and I think he deserves a lot more respect for being a great writer, speaker, and person of the left.
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your thoughts about flq?
they are
>Founded in the early 1960s with the aim of establishing an independent and socialist Quebec through violent means.
are they a real socialist organization striving for the ordinary quebecois?
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why are multiple south american countries facing declining life expactancies?
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Old /leftypol/ archive motherload

ITT: dive into the massive pool of over 40,000 old /leftypol/ threads collected below and post ~gems~ that you find.
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Was Ernst Thälmann a retard?

>Be Ernst Thälmann in the late 20s
>Leader of the KPD in Germany
>Get over 10% of the vote in 1928 (4th place)
>Get 13% (3rd place) but Hitler just came out of no where and got 18% (2nd place)
>It's obvious that Hitler is going to keep growing in power
>Hitler brags in speeches that he'll suppress every other party in the Reichstag once he wins
>He even wrote a book where he talks about bolshevism being the blood enemy of fascism
>Be Ernst Thälmann: massively popular, growing at a similar rate to Hitler, but don't know what to do
>Consult pre-1935 Comintern, guidelines only retards would follow (even Stalin admitted this later)
>"Whatever you do, don't make a coalition with the Social Democrats!" says Comintern
>Social Democrats are the only party bigger than the Nazis
>They are interested in forming a coalition with the KPD to beat Hitler
>"Nah, that sounds like social fascism to me"
>Thälmann decides to attack SD rather than Hitler
>To most of the public, it looks like the left is fighting itself and they turn to Hitler.
>Hitler is by far the largest party in Germany with 37% of the vote
>The KPD grew, but only by a point
>Hitler is just months away from the Chancellery
>If the left can form a coalition, a literal right-wing monarchist will choose them over Hitler
>"Let's not let some Nazi trees overshadow the SD forest"
>Doesn't form a government because he believes he can still win
>Hitler is appointed Chancellor
>Ernst Thälmann rallies his party with a speech
>"Hitler first, then our turn!"
>Is arrested two months after Hitler's election
>Sent to the Buchenwald concentration camp along with most of his party and supporters
>Some of his comrades flee to the Soviet Union only to die in the Great Purge a few years later
>Ernst Thälmann is executed on Hitler's orders in 1944 after 11 years in solitary confinement

How could this guy have the largest Communist party in Europe at the time and then squander it like that? He didn't even have to work with the Social Democrats after winning. Hitler banned everyone else that he promised to work with and killed anyone else that disagreed in the Night of the Long Knives. Was Ernst Thälmann actually retarded?
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Why do so many westerners find foreign politics confusing and complex

All that’s needed to understand global politics is brief knowledge of NATO, WarSaw, MENA, UAE, SEA, the colonial era, central and fractional reserve banking, AU, EU, capitalism, socialism, corporatism, Keynesianism, the effects of WW1/WW2/ and the Cold War, foreign policy, warfare post Geneva convention and the rise of the firearm

All of which only require a few hours to days of brief studying
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FIRE movement

leftist thoughts on financial independence?
its pretty much next to impossible on third world countries from my calculations, but knowing you can be free and flexible with work in ~15 years (age 30-40) of working at "meager" wages puts comfort in my head.
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What do you think about Guns?

What do you think about the use of firearms? I have seen leftists on Twitter and other such platforms divided on this issue. This begs the question at hand.
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Che Guevara claims


>He campaigned to have gay people placed in prison, and when they were interned, they were treated worse than the rest of the prisoners.

>Che referred to these groups of people as ‘scum.’ He herded homosexuals, priests, dissidents and other ‘undesirables’ into buses and trucks where they were taken to the camps.

>Overall, the notion that Che Guevara was a champion of freedom is completely erroneous. He had no problem forcing the people of Cuba to work long hours for little or no pay. Che was also opposed to free speech, religion, the press, protest, and assembly. As soon as the new regime assumed power, Che was instrumental in crushing dissenting voices and ensuring Cuba remained under the iron yoke of a dictator.

All the hogs came out on Guevara day. Can you debunk these Claims?
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Social Credit Score

+15 social credit
Taiwan is not a real country
+15 social credit
Tiananm*n never happened
+15 socail credit
Xi Jingping is best president
+infinite social credit
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Ernesto "Che" Guevara, the most complete human being of our age according to Sartre died a day like today 54 years ago, he was cowardly murdered by Bolivian soldiers supported by CIA agents operating in Bolivia.

According to his murderer his last words were "“I know you’ve come to kill me,Shoot, you are only going to kill a man.”

Say something nice about him.

Above all, always be capable of feeling deeply any injustice committed against anyone in any part of the world. It is the most beautiful quality of a revolutionary. "

<Ernesto "Che" Guevara, Farewell letter to his children
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I hate other leftists, being a leftist and having to hang out with leftists. You guys are fucking lame, and the right seems like they have a better time with one another, just look at this shit, it's fucking embarassing to be a leftist when you can be a trad cath but even then I just can't help but be a leftist, because it's just objectively correct while the right is doomed. Yet even then they seem to be happier and sexier. Everyone knows that the left hates each other and the right loves one another or at the very least seem to be more pleased to be around one another more. Like even in the 4chan fbi.govs (yes cringe I Know) they seem to like one another more than leftists like one another. Why is it such a pain in the ass to be left-wing?
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how do you guys feel about keynesian models of economic growth when applied to planned economies(i.e. ML states)?
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Honestly I’m mindfucked from looking at this thing
Looking it picrel makes me realize how much of a joke humanity is and life is
Like, humans think they can control nature, that is, everything in the entire Universe, it’s insane, yet humans basically appeared on the last day of the year if the Universe’s entire lifetime were an Earth year, and all of history after the Ice Age was the last fifty seconds

Like, what’s the fucking point this is all meaningless? We will never create anything as amazing as what the laws of physics created, we will never create anything as intricate as life itself, which is self-motivated, grows and changes both in its own lifetime and through many generations, can form integrated systems of competing life forms from an initial origin point, and can eventually form conscious intelligent beings like ourselves

Fuck what even is life? What is the Universe? If my life and the lives of everyone around now is just the blink of an eye then…what do I make of all this?
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Pro-Communism Conversion

I have a friend who i'm worried about. I'll call him "anon" just to make it easier to understand. Unfortunately Anon leans more towards the right ever since I've know him. His family are porkies, they have a blue lives matter flag outside their home. Anon and I were always friends as kids. I've met him when he stood up for me from my bullies. I've encountered him again in school when I didn't have a place to sit. I'll admit I do like him more than as a friend. He's handsome and smart, it's just the people he hangs out with are bad influences. I feel like if I didn't meet anon, I think my life would be a lot harder than it already is.

What's been bothering is… he showed me a video during lunch. The typical pro-nationalist video that's been going around the web. "fuck Joe Biden", anon and his friends laughed like it was funniest shit. I didn't even know what to do at the time but just stare at him. I can't believe i'm seriously losing my childhood friend because the world is brainwashing him into becoming a rightoid. How do I drop subtle hints at communism to him. Please help me comrades, I can't lose him forever.
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The Road to Serfdom by Hayek

I just finished reading this, honestly I think he makes a few good points regarding the abilities of individuals to self-organize, but I don't think his criticism of economic planning is honest, I don't have much knowledge on how planning operated in the USSR but I am pretty sure there was room for innovative individuals to start a new business/industry using their knowledge, or for individuals to rise in the social hierarchy in a socialist system through hard work.
Also, him likening socialism and communism to nazism is completely retarded, he even contradicts himself in the book on the subject.

What are you thoughts on this book? What are some criticism you have of it? Is planning really as rigid as Hayek pertains it to be?
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When you think about it, unions are like cults.
>they have existed for a long time, so long that their original purpose has been forgotten but more often subverted so that leaders of the cult could gain more power
>they have established rules of behaviour, protocols, and elaborate rituals
>to be accepted into one you have to be screened and fulfill some prerequisites
>the big one: you pay money to the union in form of dues, you often also have to volounteer your time for free in service of the union's needs
>union members will try to recruit as many people as possible into a union
>if a proselytiser of the union is particularly good and recruits many members they attain the rank of "organiser", which gives them privileges and power within the union structure
>strict, enforced hierarchy: acolytes must obey organisers
>heavy use of symbols, idols and religious-like imagery
>members of a union are expected to put themselves in danger and are told to sacrifice themselves for the union's goals
>threaten those with whom they disagree with violence
>often clash with not only police, but with civilians and other workers
>the infidels in the union cult mythos are called "scabs" and if you're a union member you are encouraged to use violence against "scabs"
union horror stories thread
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what do you think of this plan to achieve socialism in the West

So we know bourgeois elections wont work. So we gather together leftists of all type with altruistic worldviews. Each of us learns a specific, practical service, such as doctors, engineers, nurse, teacher, nutritionists, etc. and we give these services to the people cheap. every service we give is cooperatively owned and worker controlled.
We can get money from crowd funding and donations. The whole time we're working with unions, protests, and generally educating people to raise class consciousness. Basically we create a utopian socialist community within capitalist society, and undercut the capitalist competition.
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The uphill battle of defending communism

It's a story you've heard a thousand times. Suppose a normal average Joe, a middle-class American maybe confronts a socialist.

<Do you know what ideology you propose? Its killed billions! Look at this article from the Washington Post, that's a certainly credible news site.

You use everything you can to debunk that. You even use that one argument about capitalism killing more than communism in a lifetime. Then the average Joe replies back

<The numbers were probably falsified. Are you telling me the Holodomor isn't real? That Mao didn't genocide millions of innocent people? Communists killed more than Hitler tenfold!

You talk about the Ukrainian famine, the Chinese revolution, you even use data from certified academic historians. But then..

<I don't believe your sources. They're probably propaganda anyways. Did you know that communists suppress free speech and lies about its data and statistics?

And yet again, you try to debunk this, but do you see the pattern? Reaction after reaction, claim after claim, lies after lies. It's virtually endless, especially if the reactionary has believed in his heart that communism is an evil ideology, a true evil, that starves and destroys nations.

Now the question is– what can we do about these kinds of circumstances? It happens all the time on the Internet and even in real life. The socialists are ALWAYS the one on the defense, never on the offense, and even when they do go on the offense; it's called "whataboutism." Do we just stop arguing on the basis that they're in bad faith? But won't that be bad in certain situations, like when there's an audience? When do we decide to stop or pursue? Do we just accept that material conditions will change a person's mind more than rational debate?
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Is mind control real or even possible? What about hypnosis? Are these types of things being used by intelligence agencies for covert ops? If it is not real what is the benefits of encouraging it in popular culture? Why is hypnotherapy covered by health insurance if it is not real?

The first reports of the ability to control the human mind were reported in the late 1940s during the outset of the Korean War. Captured American Officers when learning the truth about communism told their Korean captors the truth about their use of biological weapons.

After WWII the Americans had pardoned and acquired many Nazi and Japanese scientists for their uses in the war against Communism. Japanese scientists from Unit 731 were allowed to continue their work on biological agents that were then deployed in Korea.

The US response was to denounce them and claim they were brainwashed by secret communist technology. This is obviously ridiculous and mind control is fake.

However, this allowed the military to secure funding for research projects into mind control. One particular Nazi scientist named Kurt Plötner had previously done expirements on captured airmen at Dachau concentration camp involving torture and high doses of the psychedelic compound mescaline.

Plötner's work in the concentration camps came to the attention of Boris Pash, an American intelligence officer who would go on to work in the CIA at the time of Operation BLUEBIRD in the late 1940s, and the United States Navy's intelligence officers recruited him in 1945, permitting him to continue his interrogation research.

Project Bluebird was launched on April 5th 1950

Project ARTICHOKE officially arose on August 20, 1951 and was operated by the CIA's Office of Scientific Intelligence. The primary goal of Project ARTICHOKE was to determine whether a person could be involuntarily made to perform an act of attempted assassination. The project also studied hypnosis, forced morphine addiction (and subsequent forced withdrawal) and the use of other chemicals including LSD, to produce amnesia and other vulnerable states in subjects.

MKNAOMI was the code name for a joint Department of Defense/CIA research program lasting from the 1950s through the 1970s. Unclassified information about the MKNAOMI program and the related Special Operations Division is scarce. It is generally reported to be a successor to the MKULTRA project focusing on biological projects including biological warfare agents—specifically, to store materials that could either incapacitate or kill a test subject and to develop devices for the diffusion of such materials.

Project MKUltra (or MK-Ultra) is the code name given to a program of experiments on human subjects that were designed and undertaken by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), which were illegal. Experiments on humans were intended to develop procedures and identify drugs such as LSD to be used in interrogations in order to weaken the individual and force confessions through brainwashing and psychological torture.

Project Monarch is a US Defense Department code name assigned to a subsection of the Central Intelligence Agency's Operation Artichoke later become Project MK Ultra. Whereas Project Monarch was officially dedicated sometime in the early 1960's by the US Army. Project Monarch is a genealogical approach to define transgenerational (via genetic psychology) behavioral modification through trauma based psychological mind control.

The Manchurian Candidate is a novel by Richard Condon, first published in 1959. It is a political thriller about the son of a prominent U.S. political family who is brainwashed into being an unwitting assassin for a Communist conspiracy.

Donald Ewen Cameron was a psychiatrist who served as President of the American Psychiatric Association. He has been criticized for, among other things, administering electroconvulsive therapy and experimental drugs, including poisons such as curare, to patients and prisoners without their informed consent, and his role in the history of the development of psychological and medical torture techniques. Some of this work took place in the context of the Project MKUltra program for the developing of mind control and torture techniques, psychoactive poisons, and behavior modification systems.

>Cameron had been hoping to correct schizophrenia by "erasing" existing memories and "reprogramming" the psyche. In addition to LSD, he experimented with various paralytic drugs such as curare and electroconvulsive therapy at thirty to forty times the normal power. His "psychic driving" experiments consisted of putting a subject into a drug-induced coma for weeks at a time (up to three months in one case) while playing tape loops of noise or simple statements.

>Decades after his own death, the psychic driving technique he developed continued to see extensive use in the torture of prisoners around the world including Guantanamo Bay Detention Center.

Louis Jolyon "Jolly" West (October 6, 1924 – January 2, 1999) was an American psychiatrist whose work focused particularly on cases where subjects were "taken to the limits of human experience". In 1954, at the age of 29 and with no previous tenure-track appointment, he became a full professor and chair of psychiatry at the University of Oklahoma College of Medicine. From 1969 to 1989, he served as chair of psychiatry at the University of California, Los Angeles School of Medicine and the UCLA Neuropsychiatric Institute. West was deeply involved in Korean War-era CIA brainwashing experiments, the Agency's notorious MK-Ultra mind-control program, and the use and intentional abuse of LSD (as it being administered to unwitting people, who then suffered traumatic hallucinations) and other drugs, precipitating the purportedly accidental death of an elephant who had been administered LSD and unspecified tranquilizers in a 1962 experiment. After completing a fellowship at the Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences in Stanford, California while on leave from Oklahoma during the 1966-1967 academic year, he "led a group of researchers to San Francisco's Haight-Ashbury district, where they rented an apartment and studied the hippie culture" during the latter half of 1967 under a contract funded by the Foundations Fund for Research in Psychiatry, later confirmed to be a CIA front.

>He also performed a disputed psychiatric evaluation of Lee Harvey Oswald assassin Jack Ruby that applied several procedures delineated in his MK-Ultra research. Louis Jolyon West went on to be involved with Sirhan Sirhan, Patty Hearst, Timothy McVeigh, Ted Kaczynski, and the "False Memory Syndrome Foundation".
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I feel a little dumb for asking this, but what is the basic socialist/materialist read for why the liberal powers allied with the Soviets against fascism in WW2? I witnessed an exchange where a liberal responded to the "scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds" argument (in the context of US Cold War policy) by arguing that liberalism has no particular affinity for fascism, and that America's support for fascists after 1945 was no more probative than its support for socialists during the war – both being mere questions of situational realpolitik. I'm sympathetic to the view that fascism is the last resort of capital under threat, but how do I square this with how WW2 played out?
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Argentinian threatened to make an massacre on /pol and was arrested in his country:

On September 23, 2021, an Argentine man created a thread on this website (4chan) threatening to carry out a massacre in his country, Argentina. A few days later, a news article reported that the FBI issued a report on the alleged author of that thread posted on 4chan and that after the investigation by federal detectives on different social networks they managed to locate the author of the crime.
With these results, the Argentine authorities proceeded to arrest the author of that thread posted on 4chan

The thread of the massacre: https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/340500985/

The news about his arrest (in Spanish): https://diariohoy.net/trama-urbana/amenazo-en-redes-sociales-con-hacer-un-atentado-y-fue-detetado-178307?fbclid=IwAR01_SIjz7j9I3YBaVR1JILnf2DaXVYngUkMml1MOGiF2DaXVYngUkMml1MOGiQ

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the psychology of the glowjogger

What sort of person still signs up to be an FBI/CIA/NSA agent in 2021, after every thing they've done? Are they just ignorant of history? are they some sort of weird centrist politically or just apolitical? are they mormon?

Who are they and what is their ideology/mentality?
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gdp per capita does matter but not after the 15k mark

anything past that isnt even an improvement, and I can say that from experience being an albertan that makes me technically a citizen of the wealthiest state/province in north america and hence well the americas in general. In real life any economy that has a per capita gdp past 15k isnt really adding anything that makes the lives of civilians better beyond healthcare, what actually ends up happening is that half the "economy" is just fed money randomly printed and then forced into being spent either by the government on random apartments, suburbs and offices no one needs to make the moneys worth legitimate while jacking up real estate prices or is literally being funnelled into corporate bailouts and corporate welfare in general to make the illusion of success look real to investors in the hopes of attracting actually useful capital or cheap labour in the form of immigrants while more and more sectors of the economy deindustrialize as capitalist seek outsourcing labour civilians need to feed themselves consistently and you end up with a situation where the supposedly wealthiest region in the americas has an 8th of its citizens homeless in its capital. Its fucking shit and Im worried about the direction other neoliberal countries are going in as the only people I can see that will see a noticable spike in living conditions are subsaharan africans and south east asians while the rest of the planet is stuck in economic limbo dependent on extracting increasingly worthless printed capital from each other in the pursuit of satisfying unrealistic keynesian demands for growth. oh dear
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leftypol whats your opinion on the east asian state led miracles in sk japan taiwan and china.

And what are the numerous similarities and differences between these states

and do these states have a general developmental model that can apply for other countries or is it purely a east asia thing

besides that what is the general consensus on Shimomuran economics. ive heard people use it to credit the east asian states miracles in general

like i heard china uses shimomuran economics
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Europe after WW2

If western europe didn't undergo the "marshall plan" and get massive aid/investments from burgerland after ww2, would europe be third world today, if it stayed capitalist? or it would have gone communist instead?

Its arguable that the only reason (western) europe did well after ww2 was due to massive burger investments.

>passed in 1948 for foreign aid to Europe. The United States pumped over $12 billion (equivalent to over $128 billion as of 2020) in economic recovery programs to European economies after the end of World War II. The years 1948 to 1952 saw the fastest period of growth in European history. Industrial production increased by 35%. Agricultural production substantially surpassed pre-war levels. Poverty and starvation gradually vanished from mid-50's, and Western Europe embarked upon an unprecedented two decades of growth that saw standards of living increase dramatically. Additionally, the long-term effect of economic integration raised European income levels substantially, by nearly 20 percent by the mid-1970s.

Before and during WW2 European industry still had a ton of inefficient "cottage industry", the nazis even used horses to carry shit to the front while burgers leveraged developed mass production and carried supplies in trucks. Afterwards Europeans adopted more burger style capitalist methods, but combined with socdem state intervention, which lasted until the 70s/80s when socdem fell and got rolled back across Europe, and even more after the USSR fell.
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HAPPENING: Lebanon hit by electricity outage expected to last several days

>Country’s two biggest power stations stop operating due to fuel shortage

<Lebanon has no electricity after the country’s two biggest power stations shut down due to a fuel shortage, a government official has said.

<The power outage will continue for a few days, the official added.

<“The Lebanese power network completely stopped working at noon today, and it is unlikely that it will work until next Monday, or for several days,” the official said.

<The thermoelectric plant has stopped at Zahrani power station, after the Deir Ammar plant stopped on Friday due to a fuel shortage.

<The official said the state electricity company would try to use the army’s fuel oil reserve to operate the power plants temporarily, but that would not happen soon.

<Many Lebanese normally rely on private generators run on diesel, although that is in short supply.

<Lebanon has been paralysed by an economic crisis, which has deepened as supplies of imported fuel have dried up. The Lebanese currency has sunk by 90% since 2019.

Is this it? Is this Lebanon's final moment before the complete collapse? I can't imagine anything worse than an entire country not having power for several days.
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“Muh Space”

When the fuck will people comprehend that space is literally the stupidest thing that there is?

There is no FTL

If we can only manage to terraform our planet AWAY from habitability there is about a snowball’s chance in Hell for terraforming a planet that hasn’t been able to support life in hundreds of millions of years for human usage

Dyson Spheres are nonsense that ignore where we would get the resources from to even build one when the Sun alone is 99% of the solar system’s entire mass

Only two planets in the entire solar system can even be hypothetically settled by humans (Mars and Mercury) because anything else would kill a fully suited human that’s standing in their atmosphere

The only thing worth doing in space is checking to see if multicellular life exists on Europe, Titan, or Enceladus

When will these porky-tier copes end?
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Bernie Sanders back Iron Dome Funding


Why are people surprised by this? He's always been pro-Israel and its right to self-defense (and pro-Palestinian self-determination), he just wanted Israel to stop killing innocent Palestinians. There was a well-known episode in a town hall he had a few years back where people yelled at him about Israel. Obama gave Israel iron dome to protect itself against Hamas attacks. Unless you yourself are pro attacks on random Israeli civilians or an anarchist who is against all state violence, you should be for Israel defending itself against Hamas attacks. That's a separate issue from the IDF killing innocent Palestinians in carpet bombs 2. Regardless of what sanders say I myself don't see a problem with iron dome because Hamas rockets attack Israeli civilians, I'm anti-all civilians being attacked.
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/fsu/ - Former Soviet Union general

A general thread for news and discussions on the former Soviet Union countries and the future of socialism there.
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News 10/9/21

Colombia’s defense minister called to Congress over child bombings
Colombia’s defense minister will have to explain Congress why four minors and no ELN commander died in a bombardment on a guerrilla camp in September. Opposition Senator Ivan Cepeda on Thursday revealed that one 13-year-old boy and three 17-year-old girls died in a September 16 bombing that was supposed to kill ELN commander “Fabian.”

1 dead, 3 missing in attack on Nicaragua Indigenous miners
One member of an Indigenous community in Nicaragua was killed and three others were missing after assailants shot at them on Nicaragua’s Caribbean coast, activists said Wednesday. Environmentalist Amaru Ruiz, director of the Del Río Foundation, suggested it was the latest attack by settlers who have invaded Indigenous lands. The Nicaraguan army and national police did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

Old wounds are exposed as Spain finally brings up the bodies of Franco’s victims
The bodies of mass grave No 4 of Guadalajara’s municipal cemetery are being brought up for a decent reburial – and are emerging into a country still bitterly divided over how to deal with the toxic legacy of the civil war and the four-decade dictatorship that followed. This week, congress will debate the Socialist-led government’s “Democratic Memory” bill, which builds on landmark legislation from 2007, and which is intended to “settle Spanish democracy’s debt to its past”.

Could anti-submarine drones help China keep up with US and Japan in underwater arms race?
A Chinese military magazine has urged China to develop unmanned anti-submarine platforms to better counter advanced submarines from rivals the United States and Japan. The magazine, Ordnance Industry Science Technology, published an article this month stating China could develop an unmanned anti-submarine patrol aircraft platform if it seized on the country’s advances in UAV (unmanned aerial vehicle, or drone) technology.

NPA Inflicts Casualties On AFP During Recent Combat Operations In Negros Island
Philippine Army’s 62nd and 94th Infantry Battalions suffered casualties from military actions mounted by Red fighters under the Leonardo Panaligan Command–Central Negros Front (LPC-NPA) and Mount Cansermon Command–South Central Negros Front (MCC-NPA). On September 22, a 62nd IB soldier was killed when a unit of the LPC-NPA launched a sniping operation against an Army detachment at Barangay Budlasan, Canlaon City, Negros Oriental province.

Lebanon in COMPLETE DARKNESS after 2 power stations shut down, blackout will ‘continue for few days’
Due to fuel shortages, two of Lebanon’s biggest power stations were forced to shut down on Saturday, leaving the crisis-hit country in the dark, an official source has said. The blackout in the country of almost six million is expected to last for several days, the government source told Reuters. “The Lebanese power network completely stopped working at noon today, and it is unlikely that it will work until next Monday, or for several days,” the official told the agency.

Israel has killed 330 Palestinians and wounded 15,700 in 2021
The Israeli army has killed 330 Palestinians and wounded some 15,700 from the beginning of the year until October 4, a United Nations agency denounced on Saturday. In its biweekly report, the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) noted that 264 Palestinians were killed in the Gaza Strip, the majority during the 11-day attacks in May, and 66 in the West Bank.

Israeli communists vow to lead united struggle against Bennett government
COMMUNISTS gathered in Israel vowed to fight “against racism and Jewish superiority” in the country at a three-day party conference which concluded in Shfaram on Saturday. The Communist Party of Israel, known alternatively as Maki, said that “only a substantial and profound democratic change in dominant views” would rescue the country from a deepening crisis.

Hungary's Orban backs Polish court ruling challenging EU law
Hungary has called on European Union institutions "to respect member states' sovereignty" after it backed a Polish court ruling that some EU law is incompatible with the Polish constitution. Prime Minister Viktor Orban signed a Hungarian government decree on Saturday, his press chief told state news agency MTI, welcoming the ruling by Poland's Constitutional Court which has plunged the EU into an existential crisis.

Nearly 400 officers referred to police watchdog over abuse of powers for sexual gain
NEARLY 400 officers have been reported over allegations of abusing power for sexual gain in the last two years, the leader of a police watchdog has revealed. Independent Office for Police Conduct director-general Michael Lockwood said it was “now or never” for policing culture to change in the wake of Sarah Everard’s murder.
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Is there a materialist explanation for humans’ fascination with other animals and with nature?
Not materialist as in some silly vulgar sense, just, is there a way to explain it? It seems like humans have always been deeply engrossed by the world we live in, from cave art of the animals encountered by Stone Age peoples, to the reliefs of animal sculptures and depictions in Ancient societies, to the heraldry of the medieval world depicting things like lions and the like and of course the modern heraldry of nation states like the US depicting predatory animals like eagles

Now, I do get why ruling classes depict themselves with predatory animals, both as a threat and as sociopathic self-gratification, but what’s with the overall fascination people have with the natural world?
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The right desperately want to think that the bourgeoisie are trying to summon Satan so that their skydaddy can come and rescue them so that they don't have to accept the fact that he doesn't exist and that everything they decry is the result of the system they put their faith in where the only motive is profit. They've been trained behave as the simplified agents of market simulations because they're slaves to their greeds. Aestheticism as politics is just the new form of conspicuous consumption for people with no money. The same alienated and shallow husks lie behind the guise of prestige. They LARP to escape the truth that they no longer have any control over the direction of their physical lives at the hands of capital.
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Religion Hate Thread

Fuck, I hate religion so much. I get that it was basically a universal form of cope for enslaved people but the ability of religion to persist so much and so parasitically over the ages with proles in the 21st century still clutching so hard onto it and using it as a justification for their own misery pisses me off to no end. I know that ultimately the ruling ideas of a giving epoch reflects the ideas of the ruling class and I know that the enlightenment era bourgeoisie have done their fair share to dispel the myth of religion in Europe but still it's so hard to try to convince religious proles of anything since they put their beliefs over any kind of rational thought.
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what would workers' control over the means of production look like in practice? In your opinion has anything close to this been achieved in history?
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ha joon chang appreciation thread

So I know this guy is kinda wacky but hes different from the neolib norm.

Leftypol whats your opinion on based ha joon chang is he interesting or is he just a quack
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honestly I just wanna see how far it falls at this point

prison labour, child marriage, human trafficking, mass shootings, school shootings, riots, endless propaganda and mind control, never ending imperialist wars, rising debt, horrendous race relations, deindustrialization, declining share in the global economy, declining geopolitical influence, low wages, poor public safety, non existent social securities, extreme costs of living, facism being mainstream, every industry is corrupt, bourgeoisie democracy, obesity, rampant drug addiction, constant crises in basic goods and services, rising suicide rates, noticeable paranoia in the general populace of the outside world and the government, domestic terrorism, segregation, still having problems with slavery, corrupt legal system that exists to protect the rich, corrupt and incompetent police force, extreme divorce rates, loneliness crisis, aging and fertility crises, horrendous treatment of migrants both legal and not, all create a country thats so deep into late stage capitalism that at this point I no longer care about how shit it actually is I just wanna see how fucking far these people can go before civil war actually hits.

How much longer do you think theyll last and what will this country look like when its a day before it dissolves as a state?
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Does Marx believe that capitalism has an essence to it? What's the essence of capitalism?

What about humans?
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/criticism/ - Criticism general

Post any criticism or call out any flaws of socialism and its practice IRL here (including its ideological flaws and economic mishaps), and if available, its solutions.
Certainly socialism isn't perfect just like anything else, right?
All these criticism can also be something we can learn from and improve…
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News 10/8/21

Bolivia guarantees full vaccination scheme with Sputnik V
The director of the Bolivian Ministry of Health, Max Enriquez, informed on Thursday that with the next arrival of the Russian-made Sputnik V vaccines against Covid-19, the country will guarantee the complete immunization scheme to the people.

Colombian corruption case latest overseas stain for DEA
The rare prosecution of a once-standout U.S. ally follows a report this summer from a U.S. government watchdog that blasted the DEA’s leadership in Washington for failing to oversee its foreign law enforcement partners even in the aftermath of a string of well-publicized scandals.

Cuba marks 45th anniversary of US terror attack on civilian plane
CUBAN President Miguel Diaz-Canel paid tribute on Wednesday to the victims of the most “horrendous crime” as Cuba marked 45 years since a civilian plane was bombed off Barbados by the US. Mr Diaz-Canel slammed Washington’s hypocrisy, saying that the terrorists who killed all 73 people on board were protected by both Republican and Democrat governments.

NATO Secretary General Criticizes Greek-French Defense Pact
NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg offered criticisms of EU defense initiatives and bilateral pacts within the union — such as the one that was just ratified between Greece and France on Thursday. … The ruling New Democracy, Movement for Change (KINAL) and Greek Solution parties approved the agreement, as did independent MP Konstantina Adamou, while main opposition SYRIZA-Progressive Alliance, Greece’s Communist Party (KKE) and MeRA25 voted against it.

Italy in the streets: General Strike on October 11th
In a statement the Italian USB Trade Union (Unione Sindacale di Base), jointly with other class oriented trade unions and workers' association, has proclaimed a General Strike, for both public and private sector, throughout the country on October 11th.

Welsh Labour leader has begun talks to remove centralised party control on Welsh members
In an interview for the Star to be published on Monday, the Jeremy Corbyn-supporting First Minister of Wales was asked about the authoritarian approach towards activists the Westminster party has taken under the leadership of Sir Keir Starmer and general secretary David Evans. He said: “I had a good conversation with David at last week’s party conference in Brighton about how devolution inside the party needs to catch-up with devolution at governmental level.

SDC calls on Syrians for dialogue, the UN, SC to end Turkish occupation of northern Syria
The Syrian Democratic Council denounced the continued Turkish occupation and its mercenaries to the areas of Ras al-Ain and Tal Abyad, and called on the United Nations and the Security Council to assume their full responsibilities to end the Turkish occupation of the Syrian regions, and called on the Syrian people and all national parties to adopt dialogue to solve the Syrian crisis in accordance with UN Resolution 2254.

Iraq elections 2021: Iran ally Fatah dealt triple blow in pursuit of power
Boasting the diehard support of many Iraqis and the might of Iran at its side, the Fatah bloc had hoped Sunday’s elections would see it make significant gains in Iraq’s parliament and form the next government. Instead, Iraqi observers and officials told Middle East Eye, the bloc has lost tens of thousands of guaranteed votes in Baghdad and the southern provinces after taking several blows.

China demands answers on US nuclear submarine accident in South China Sea
Chinese foreign ministry blames freedom of navigation operations as it seeks details on the where and how of collision and the likely nuclear risks Complex underwater terrain and ongoing nuclear submarine arms race increase risk of accidents in the region, analyst warns

Kashmir: Protests Held as Fresh Violence Scares Minorities
Members of the Sikh community, including the family and relatives of Supinder Kour, a school principal killed along with a colleague in a militant attack in Srinagar, held a demonstration in the city on Friday demanding justice for the victims.
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How do you guys feel about economics? I see a lot of replies about who economics is apparently bourgie propaganda. But it isn't it's simply a social (and sometimes other) science that tries to explain price, value, and distribution. Marxism (developed by Marx) is an economic school. So with an actual answer one of the people who say economics only serves the rich step forward and make your argument
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Dugin and Eurasianism are the worst enemy of Marxism-Leninism. Divides all mankind into Atlanticist reptiles and Eurasian patriots. The latter should not have any freedom, because this is Atlantic filth.
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I think that irony and the disease of irony poisoning is destroying the west instead of just plain ass capitalism, sure you got the falling rate of profit and shit like that but the Asian seems like they don't really have a concept of irony and as such the concept of lies, truth and deceit are more clear. In the west, information is chaos and even misdirection can be misinterpreted as fuck. Irony will kill the west as a whole, as nobody is ever really sincere at all and you can't revive the dead. Just check out 4chan, meme subreddits or whatever. People say stupid shit to get attention but then believe that shit whole heartedly. I do the same shit, I'm not better than them. How do we escape the cycle of irony or even just straight up post modernism?
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How do leftists justify working with reactionaries? For example:
Carlos the Jackal working with neo nazis, Red and white army attacking china, Lebanese communist fighting alonside syrian nationalists, Mao and Nixon, hell even the recent Italian communists meeting with the SSNP
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«I am a primitive. In socialism too. I wander around today’s society of businessmen like an exile. … Now that socialism is becoming a business for both individuals and for groups, I do not understand it anymore. I live in a different atmosphere. I am a citizen of another epoch. There was a time in which socialism was not practical, it was not industrial, it was not co-operative, there were no banks; there was a time when socialism meant selflessness, faith, sacrifice and heroism. I speak of 30, 40 years ago. Then there were Socialists who had fallen in love with an ideal; today there are Socialists—a lot of them, even the majority—who have fallen in love with money. Italian Socialism has now become a huge accounting ledger of giving and getting»

—Mussolini, August 11, 1912.
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Politics in the hands of zoomers

How would 2030s-2040s (or even 2050s) politics look like, knowing that most of today's zoomers have become adults by then.
How would bizarre triangle politics look like? How would Anglo foreign policy look like? And knowing the exceptionally great American influence on most of today's zoomers, is America going to fare better?
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CPUSA run by Feds

The leader of CPUSA is now confirmed to be a "ex" Fed.

Nothing suspicious about a DHS officer chairing a "communist party". I can see CPUSA takes their members' security about as seriously as a club penguin account.

They have done some dodgy things but others here might agree with those things.
One thing which is dodgy and all would agree is fucked is the CPUSA worked with Connor Gillis and Blevel to hack all of Jason Unruhe's accounts such as Youtube, Twitter Paypal etc.
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Why do people pretend the Native Americans were pacifists?

Ok so apparently in the US Columbus Day has been changed to Indigenous People's day because NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THE POOR HECKIN INJUNS WERE INVADED.

Now I'm not saying what happened was right or that the injuns were wrong, but liberal types have some weird noble savage myth that suggests the injuns were totally peaceful until whitey came and impromptu slaughtered them, and stuff like this is a part of it. It actually makes the injuns look more primitive and retarded than they actually were.


For instance, consider the mourning wars, which are well attested. When a member of the Iroquois died, the matriarch of the clan would go into mourning and order that the male members of the tribe go out and capture some people usually from the local Algonquians. They would torture them by cutting and hitting their hands, then make them sing and dance. Then they would either decide to adopt them into the tribe (this happened a lot because part of the process of getting captives was to replenish the tribe) or they would have the whole tribe ultimately torture them to death with brands, rough skin gloves, the children of the village stabbing their feet with knives, mutilating their hands, scalping etc and then de-fleshing their hands and feet for the flesh there. Originally captives were probably adopted most of the time, but once Europeans brought epidemics and shit the system broke down. They would be disgusted if the captive cried out in pain and would kill them immediately, sometimes when retarded Jesuits refused to do so because they were stronk martyrs like Jesus the Iroquois warriors reportedly ate them to absorb their bravery. All of their neighbours loathed them for this shit and would do the same back to them especially if Algonquin Indians captured the Iroquois in warfare.

These are the Iroquois, who are usually more well known for their ingenious inventive confederation, muh proto constitution and representative moiety institution, longhouses and gardening beans or some shit, but if you go on youtube you see nobody mention the historically well-attested mourning wars at all and just noble savage shit almost likening the Iroquois to some kind of peaceful proto-US representative republic. In reality they were metal as, if you taught kids in school this nobody would want to patronisingly jerk off to how poor and put upon the injuns were because their entire culture made sure it was not to be messed with and capable of standing on its own until the last possible moment.
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Tell me this, how do you have faith in the proletariat when they are so easily propagandized? Admit it, philosopher kings and technocrats are the future, Karl Marx was correct in a lot of things, but there is simply speaking too many stupid people in the world for true socialism to work.
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Why are the specific sect of ecologists in places like /r/collapse, Twitter, liberal Youtube, etc. so dead-set on promoting the implicitly eco-fascist notion that overpopulation is the greatest driver of climate change? /r/collapse is particularly disturbing to me since it’s usually nominally anticapitalist, but I guess since it’s still full of upper middle class coastal burgers they’re still deeply obsessed with mass murdering brown people as a “solution”

Also, Eugene…don’t comment
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European New Right

Has anyone here read something by them? Apparently they make a good critique of past "leftist" projects like the Soviet Union. They even cite Marx as an influence in their critique of capitalism. Curious if somebody is a bit more knowledgeable about them? Maybe they are just rebranded fascists again
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Vietnam war

What's up with the vietnam war?
Why did the US go so crazy in it? Was vietnam some kind of strategic point or something?
Short of nukes I think that's where the US went the most violent and crazy
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How would a NATO invasion of Belarus go like?

As you know, Belarus has been on the news during this last year and the other as the NATO soft power campaing tries to conquer it. Despite this attempt, they have not been succesful, and Belarus continues to have Lukashenko as his president.
So, as this soft power move hasn't worked, there might be an attempt to actually invade the country.
Of course, this would be quite the endeavour, and as such, there needs to be a lot of propaganda in order to actually justify such action. For Poland and the baltic states, it would be quite easy to justify it, Belarus is on Russia's side, and thus it wouldn't be an attack, it was "self defence offensive" against Russia. This is to say, the baltic nations and Poland's armies are quite corrupt, and such campaign would probably go nowhere as there would be miscommunications or even some general selling weapons to the enemy side for quick money.
On the other side, on western europe and America, such war would be extremely unpopular, not only because people are just against war itself, but because it would be a war against a Rusian ally which borders actual Russia.
So, how do you think an invasion of Belarus by NATO would play out?
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Does it seem like to you that people here tend to take up increasingly reactionary talking points just for the sole purpose of "owning" liberals. Yeah like a liberal is owned by your mere sentiment.
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Capital Volume 2 /read/ing group

Hey leftypol! Would anyone be interested in joining a reading group for Capital Volume 2? Because us over at the /read/ group are gonna do that and we'd like to have it as open as possible, so we're inviting you to join.

For context, we've been running this collective of reading groups on >>/edu/5912 for around a year now, and we're finally ready to tackle the second volume of Capital, after successfully getting through the first one earlier this year.

Currently our system is to have weekly meetings over Matrix, on Sundays at 10 PM UTC. However we are willing to change that schedule depending on the availability of any new members.

Anyways, if you are interested, join our main Matrix chats:
Matrix Community (if you still use those): https://matrix.to/#/+leftyread:matrix.org
Matrix Space: https://matrix.to/#/#leftyreadmain:matrix.org
Join the Main chat for general discussion, and the /kritik/ chat for the Capital group.

Come /read/ with us!
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Great Climate Migration

In this century, the consequences of climate change are going to displace a historically unprecedented number of people. Rising sea levels, hotter equatorial regions, and other factors will force something on the order of a billion people to relocate.

What impact is this process going to have?
What can be done to prepare for it by the left?
How much can the effects be mitigated realistically?
What should the communist line on the topic be?

Post any relevant sources on how bad this will be or any socialist answers to these questions. Nationalists need not apply. This will be the biggest challenge to national borders we've ever seen. You can't stop the migration, /pol/.
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Is communism truly altruistic?

How can we build a society not motivated by greed? Many socialist nations were built by power-seeking people and ended up not fully serving the interests of the working class.
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Maduro continues back sliding into liberalism. When I read in News Anons Digest today that 25 communist parties across the globe were condemning Maduro for refusing to let some allegedly communist parties put candidates up for election I assumed that only meant 25 new organizations I could deride as CIA fronts. Unfortunately it looks as though our international comrades were correct, as Jason glumly points out in the video linked above.

Maduro privatizes formerly state run operations

Venezuelan government condemned for ‘anti-communist’ attacks and alleged political oppression

So comrades, why is Maduro such a cuckhold? I know he's been dealt a shit hand but as the Roo points out he could turn to central planning. As things stand it's beginning to look more and more like Venezuela is becoming another chaotic market economy in the southern hemisphere, just one that has to suffer under US Sanctions.

>pic unrelated
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Conservatives retards

Why are so many conservative's retarded?
And worse still why do so many conservative's look up to retards?
You can't convince me that Ben Shapiro doesn't have some weird deformities fucking his social autism score and making him look like a kid.
I know Marxists look up to retards as well but at least the Marxists that lead countries are chad/normie. All the conservative's that lead countries are retards. For example I would have bullied Winston Churchill in school but apparently he is a big conservative icon. His a weird fat nerdy pompous posh cunt. I genuinely can't name one conservative leader that isn't retarded/weird.
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Is socialism becoming more popular than capitalism?

ITT: Are we popular?
This thread proposes a simple question: Is socialism becoming popular among the people? I intentionally haven't specified a country or demographic, although I myself will start with discussing USA, as it has a powerful history of capitalism and red scares.

Potential points of conversation:
>demographics - Is there a sharp rise in acceptance among youth due to less Cold War propaganda, increased internet/media access, or further manifestation of dystopic capitalism?
>demographics - Is it just the 'socialism is for young college people' trend creating an illusion of generational change, or an actual increase in youth perception of socialism?
>Will the rise of China, commonly seen as 'communist', decrease its popularity in Pacific nations?
>socialism or ""socialism"" ? - Do people who 'like socialism' have a decent idea of what it is?
>polling results - Which are reliable or representative? For example, is the one funded by Victims of Communism subject to exaggeration?

Starting Polls:
1 (picrel)
>2019 - Gen Z prefers "socialism" to "capitalism" - USA - SurveyMonkey online poll, 2,777 U.S. adults, margin of error ±3.5
The poll results clearly show socialism accelerating in popularity by generation, with 18-24 year olds now reacting positively more to 'socialism' than 'capitalism' (61%, 58%), and for all ages women being significantly less receptive to 'capitalism' (51%, vs 71% of men).

>2019 - Harris poll for "Axios on HBO" 55% of women prefer socialism - USA - online poll, 2,024 adults aged 18 or over
>Results are weighted for age within gender, region, race/ethnicity, household income, education, and size of household where necessary to align them with their actual proportions in the population using U.S census data.
<55% of women between 18 and 54 would prefer to live in a socialist country than a capitalist country. But a majority of men prefer to live in a capitalist country.
A good thing is that this poll actually asked what 'socialism' is. Here are some I cherrypicked:
>1. Universal healthcare: 76%
>2. Tuition free education: 72%
>3. Living wage: 68%
>4. State-controlled economy: 66%
>5. State control and regulation of private property : 61%
>10. Government ’’democratizes’’ private businesses — that is, gives workers control over them — to the greatest extent possible: 52%
>12. Workers own and control their places of employment: 48%
50% is higher than I expected, to be honest.
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/LeftyBritPol/ - Conference Carnage Edition

The Labour Party conference will soon be upon us, with Grotesque Chaos following in its wake. Starmer is trying to purge the left, the left is fighting back. Who will win? Nobody knows, but regardless, it will be a great spectacle to watch.
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Social media

Is social media the opium of the 21st century? It produces dopamine in the brain from likes, same as an addictive substance. Will future generations and historians see it as an epidemic similar to the opium crisis in China of the 19th century??
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you WILL work in the American Gulag

Companies claim there’s a labor shortage. Their solution? Prisoners


>Worker advocates say prison labor programs exploit workers with few options as bosses refuse to raise wages to attract employees

<Some employers around the US are responding to perceived worker shortages in their industries by pursuing cheap sources of labor, such as people currently or formerly in prison.

<During a recent industry conference, a Waste Management Services executive discussed hiring immigrants to fill commercial driver’s license positions, and other executives suggested using prison or work release programs to address perceived labor shortages in the sanitation, waste and recycling industry.

<Campaigners say the move would be exploitative and reflects a refusal to simply raise wages to attract employees.

<“The talk about immigrant labor, prison labor, it’s all about exploitation, nothing else,” said Chuck Stiles, director of the Teamsters solid waste and recycling division, which represents about 32,000 workers in the private waste industry. “There is no driver shortage. There is a huge wage and benefits shortage that these waste companies refuse to give up anything on the bottom line.”

<Stiles said several prison work release programs targeted by the waste industry fail to provide decent wages and benefits in an industry where workers face significant safety risks, poor weather conditions, long hours and scarce time off for holidays.

<Employers and industry groups have claimed labor shortages were stifling recovery from the Covid-19 pandemic, with the US Chamber of Commerce and Republican governors blaming unemployment benefits. Some 26 states have canceled federal extended unemployment benefits early, though economists have noted the available jobs recovery data shows there is no economy-wide labor shortage.

<That hasn’t stopped employers and business groups from using perceived labor shortages as a pretext to seek out cheap labor sources; employers are hiring teenagers to fill open jobs, automating some job roles to avoid raising wages, lobbying Congress to double the cap on work immigration visas and expanding the use of prison labor.

<The restaurant industry in Michigan, Texas, Ohio and Delaware recently announced a prison work release program for the food service and hospitality industry.

<In April, Russell Stover candy production facilities in Iola and Abilene, Kansas, began using prison labor through the Topeka correctional facility in response to staffing issues disrupting production lines.

<About 150 prisoners work at the plant, making $14 an hour with no benefits or paid time off, while other workers start at higher wages with benefits and paid time off. Kansas also deducts 25% of prisoners’ pay for room and board, and another 5% goes toward a victim’s fund. The prisoners also must pay for gas for the nearly two-hour bus ride to and from the plant.

<Brandilynn Parks, president of the Kansas Coalition for Sentence and Prison Reform, said these programs can be beneficial for prisoners, but often are a way for employers and the prison system to take advantage of a vulnerable population, while driving down wages and taking jobs from other workers in the community.

<She noted many private companies that hire prison workers will not employ them after they are released and will not hire job applicants with criminal records. She added that these programs perpetuate mass incarceration.

<“Whenever we have private industries coming into the Kansas department of corrections, they sign a contract guaranteeing a certain number of people will be working there,” said Parks. “That means there has to be a certain number of people incarcerated, so we’re not working to lower the prison population, but instead building the prison industrial complex as a working machine where people become numbers – and we need a certain amount of numbers to keep them employed to uphold the contracts.”

<Parks argued employers refusing to pay living wages is the primary factor driving perceived labor shortages, and that the expansion of prison workforce programs are not good faith efforts to solve the problem.

<Hiring people “who are at their lowest in life and then throwing them crumbs is despicable,” Parks said. “The contract guaranteeing this amount of people makes it difficult to release people because they’re making the department of corrections money. So the DOC and private industry wins and they try to make it appear as though the incarcerated win, when really they’re being taken advantage of.”

<Even before the pandemic, the construction industry targeted prison labor sources amid what employers have claimed is a severe construction labor shortage that has only worsened under Covid-19. Construction is also one of the industries where significant numbers of formerly incarcerated people find work.

<In New York City, construction industry employers recruit recently released prisoners who must seek and maintain employment as a condition of their release from prison.

<Thousands of workers in New York City are siphoned from prison into low-paying construction jobs with no benefits, no health insurance and unsafe working conditions. These job sites, known as “body shops”, use subcontractors so that employers can offload risk insurance liability. The practice has been spreading, but the New York city council is considering legislation to regulate these employers.

<“Throughout the pandemic, body shop laborers left their homes and took trains and buses to crowded job sites, building the NYC skyline. They did this without health insurance, without an economic safety net and with the constant threat of re-imprisonment if they refused to continue to work,’’ said Chaz Rynkiewicz, vice-president and director of organizing for Construction and General Building Laborers Local 79. “While other workers were called heroes for working during the pandemic, body shop workers are told that their criminal justice history sentences them to a lifetime of hard labor with negligible reward.”
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I'm Nikolai Brown. I just released a new essay. AMA

I'm Nikolai Brown, former proponent of Maoism Thirdism. I stepped away in 2014 and have been silent since.

But I just release on a new essay, Alternative Hypothesis

>What about?

The first thesis examines shifts in the mode of production toward one of neo-tributarianism, in which expansion of the means of control takes precedent over expansion of the means of production.

The second thesis explores alternatives to equality, human rights, and harm reduction as lead normative ideals for socialism, thus rejecting much of the left. In its place, i promotes a alternative version of socialism based directly on adaptive virtues.



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>be me
>see that john hinckley posted a new youtube video
>watch video
>hey guys check my new single on literally everything
>check spotify
>it won't show me because i don't have an account
>check twitter
>type john hinckley into the box and press search
>neocon bluechecks losing it
>horse paste enthusiasts trying to reconcile it
>libertarians speechless
>vid related, it's them
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“Nobody owes anyone anything”

Why are westerners so cucked by the concept of negative rights?
Why would anyone say “nobody owes anybody anything” and think that’s actually good? How do westoids not see that their society is totally fucked and will collapse because it’s built on sand? How the fuck could any retard be duped to think that a society where nobody gives a fuck about anyone else is positive?
Basically, why isn’t the average westerner suicidal when they demonstrably have nothing to live for and their entire way of viewing human relations should make you want to kill yourself?
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Was WWII arguably the most epic event in human history?

Not epic as in
I mean epic in the sense of
<Truly the stuff of legends, the sort of history that, in a thousand years will become legend, and a thousand years after that will be myth; an event that will be remembered so long as some sort of civilization exists, a demonstration of the best and worst mankind had to offer, an event that can be seen as the End of History in its own way, standing out amongst numerous other events to end various other eras
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holy fucking shit

I knew pakistanis and persians werent exactly the "wealthiest" bunch of 3rd worlders but my fucking christ I need a serious explanation as to why these people are genuinely poorer than most subsaharan africans. This this is unacceptable and reeks of mismanagement
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An actual quote from the Irish Tánaiste (Deputy PM.) Landlords are mooching off their tenants.
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News 10/7/21

Key witness in FBI case against Assange held in custody to stop his ‘crime spree’ in Iceland – media
Sigurdur Thordarson, also known under the moniker ‘Siggi the Hacker’, was placed into custody in Iceland last month, the newspaper Stundin said, citing his lawyer. A judge agreed with the police that if Thordarson remained free, he would continue an ongoing spree of crimes in the European nation. He is now kept in the highest-security prison in the country, Litla-Hraun, the report said.

Polish court rules EU laws incompatible with its constitution
Poland’s constitutional tribunal has ruled that some EU laws are in conflict with the country’s constitution, taking a major step towards a “legal Polexit” with far-reaching consequences for Warsaw’s funding and future relations with the bloc.

Sinn Fein opens up 10-point lead in latest Irish opinion poll
SINN FEIN opened up a 10-point lead over its nearest political rivals and remains the most popular party in Ireland, a new opinion poll has reported. The party polled at 32 per cent, up one point. Fianna Fail was unchanged on 20 per cent while Fine Gael fell by five points to 22 per cent.

Leftist lawyer appointed Peruvian PM as Castillo forced to reshuffle cabinet
FORMER head of the Peruvian Congress Mirtha Vasquez was sworn in as the country’s new prime minister on Wednesday night, just hours after the resignation of her predecessor. Guido Bellido stepped down after just two months in the post, citing “instability” in the Andean country.

Brazil police find $3 million Nazi haul at home of child abuse suspect
Police in Rio de Janeiro said Wednesday they had found a haul of Nazi memorabilia and weapons worth an estimated $3.5 million at the home of a Brazilian man suspected of raping a minor.

Outcry in Brazil over photos of people scavenging through animal carcasses
Heart-wrenching photographs of destitute Brazilians scavenging through a heap of animal carcasses for food have laid bare the hunger crisis blighting Latin America’s most populous nation, where millions have been plunged into deprivation by the coronavirus pandemic and soaring inflation.

Austrian Greens question chancellor’s ability to remain in office after he is placed under investigation for corruption, bribery
“The facts must be fully established… The chancellor’s ability to act is called into question in this context,” Kogler said in a statement. He called on issues relating to Kurz’s alleged involvement in corruption and bribery to be “fully clarified” before they can return to their agenda.

Canada invited Chelsea Manning to country just so she could be thrown out
Canadian government lawyers recently invited US whistleblower Chelsea Manning to travel to a hearing in Montreal – so that border agents could then physically remove her from the country. The bizarre request, which was eventually denied by an adjudicator, was made ahead of an immigration hearing set to begin on Thursday for Manning, whose previous attempts to enter Canada have been denied.

Greenpeace loses North Sea Vorlich field legal challenge
Environmental group Greenpeace has lost its case against the UK government over a North Sea oil field permit. Permission to drill the Vorlich site off Aberdeen was given to BP in 2018. Greenpeace argued in Scotland's highest civil court there had been "a myriad of failures in the public consultation" and the permit did not consider the climate impacts of burning fossil fuel.

Russia fires prison officials, opens investigations after torture videos
Russian authorities said on Wednesday they had fired five senior prison officials and opened a slew of criminal investigations into alleged torture and sexual assaults at a jail in the Saratov region.
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is anyone here just a "leftist"? Marxism-Leninism, libertarian socialism, MLM, syndicalism, democratic socialism, etc. I think different methods work in different situations.
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I take back what I said about america being 3rd world its worse than that

normally 3rd world problems are reduced to being generally poor and sometimes in a war, america is a country where 40% of the few jobs available pay below 20k a year and most of its 76% of its population is barely scratching by on rent while child marriage, and prison labour is still legalized, slavery is still a problem there due to rampant and deliberatly unregulated human trafficking, its population is far higher than 330 million but at 450 due to the fact that illegals dont count as citizens all while nearly all of its cities and states are flat out bankrupt from being deliberatly poorly designed to raise property prices while the level of rampant rape is so unbelievably strong that americans cant trust their own doctors to not take advantage of them and had several epidemics of mistrust in its daycare centers due to reports of child predation. what makes things even worse is that you cant even rest on the belief that the country is worth anywhere near as much as they state it is, america has only produced 7 trillion usd worth of assets throughout its entire history while blowing trillions on some of the dumbest shit you can imagine like funding unprofitable corporations, construction of massive highways that cost a trillion annually and endless foreign wars, the entire american economy rests on the exploitation of foreigners that use the usd to barely keep mainland america barely intact as a country or just outright extortion and coups. Its a fucking shitshow how bad their situation actually is
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Wages of Humanity Pirate

Tell me what you guys think of it. I tend to pass it off to "leftists" as proto-Marxist propaganda, i.e, it gets people who are succdems to start reevaluating whether capitalism and capitalist logic is a long-term sustainable system.
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How to end the pandemic: The case for eradication
>In the face of an unrelenting propaganda campaign from governments and the media, it is vital and urgent to arm the public with scientific truth about viable and necessary measures to end the pandemic.

Nice statement. The experience of the last period shows, only the eradication of the virus is the only solution. But now, even New Zealand and Australia are removing the restrictions. The only way out is the independent involvement of the masses. The October 1 school strike by Lisa Diaz indicates the awakening of the masses. The coming online webinar will be a main step in this fight.
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News 10/6/21

Venezuelan government condemned for ‘anti-communist’ attacks and alleged political oppression
In an open letter, more than 25 communist parties from around the world condemned the decision of Venezuela’s national electoral council to block Communist Party of Venezuela (PCV) and Popular Revolutionary Alternative candidates in the municipalities of Caracas and Macanao and in the state of Guaira.

Germany’s coalition talks: Greens favor ‘in-depth’ negotiations with SPD & FDP, but don’t reject Merkel’s bloc just yet
The Green party co-leaders, Annalena Baerbock and Robert Habeck, spoke to reporters after holding the first round of talks with the Social Democrats (SPD), the liberal Free Democratic Party (FDP), and the bloc of outgoing Chancellor Angela Merkel’s center-right Christian Democratic Union (CDU) and Bavaria’s Christian Social Union (CSU).

Ex Bolivia's de facto authorities involved in Pandora Papers scandal
Three former Bolivian officials of the de facto Government of Jeanine Añez are involved in the scandal known as 'Pandora Papers' for having accounts in tax havens, the Ahora el Pueblo newspaper reported today.

‘Dystopian world’: Singapore patrol robots stoke fears of surveillance state
Singapore has trialled patrol robots that blast warnings at people engaging in “undesirable social behaviour”, adding to an arsenal of surveillance technology in the tightly controlled city-state that is fuelling privacy concerns. From vast numbers of CCTV cameras to trials of lampposts kitted out with facial recognition tech, Singapore is seeing an explosion of tools to track its inhabitants.

Hong Kong trade union disbands as impact of security law deepens
Fears of falling foul of the law and facing terms of up to life in jail have seen at least 29 trade unions dissolve since the start of this year, according to a tally by Reuters. HKCTU's Tang said members of the group had received threats to their personal safety, without going into further details.

Detained farmers seek dismissal of Hilongos multiple murder raps
The multiple murder charges they are facing stemmed from a supposed mass gravesite that was found in 2006 in Mt. Sapang Dako, Inopacan, Leyte. A closer look, however, revealed that some of the remains were also earlier found in another mass grave purportedly discovered in Baybay, Leyte six years prior.

Tribal Settlement Near Tamil Nadu Temple Uprooted
The Tamil Nadu revenue department allegedly demolished the huts of 11 families of the Irular tribal community near a Murugan temple in Peranamallur municipality of Tiruvannamalai district on October 1 without giving a prior notice or providing an alternate accommodation.

Conservative peer leads businesses in blasting UK govt over failure to plug labour shortages via overseas workers
Next chief executive and Conservative Party peer, Lord Simon Wolfson, has called on the UK government to step up and solve ongoing labour shortages by helping companies hire overseas workers to meet demand.
The comments came on the final day of the Tory Party’s annual conference, where Prime Minister Boris Johnson declared that businesses cannot “use immigration as an excuse for failure to invest” in British workers.

Turkish state and its mercenaries continue to cut down trees and sell them
Al-Hemzat mercenaries affiliated to the invading Turkish state continue to cut trees between the villages of Satya and Gozê in Jindirêsê and sell them in Afrin and Idlib markets. Eyewitnesses reported that the mercenaries belonging to the Turkish-linked Semirqend and Lîwa El-Weqas groups seized around 32,000 olive trees in the fields belonging to the people of the village of Kefir Sefrê.

HBDH Militia: “We carried out a roadblock action in Istanbul”
In the action, both lanes of the highway were closed with IED (Hand Made Bomb) and fireworks. A bomb banner was hung at the intersection.Upon firing from people we could not clarify, we responded with individual weapons, and after a short conflict, our militia safely withdrew from the area.
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In 1973 alone, 554 dams collapsed in China. China tried to extinct sparrows because they lowered grain production. Children were instructed to bang pots and pans until the birds died of exhaustion. Once the sparrows’ numbers were diminished, the insect population boomed, causing even more damage to Chinese agriculture than the sparrows had. China ended up importing sparrows from the USSR to combat a locust swarm in the early 1960s.

When the forests were all cut down during the call for fuel (to make steel), citizens began to destroy their own homes.

Despite the fact that China’s 600 million people were mostly impoverished and lived in a country with half the arable land of the United States, Mao was determined to grow the population further. Contraceptives were discouraged; importing them was illegal.

I think we can agree Mao was a retard. Ends don't justify the means and China is neither Socialist nor communist so there's no ends these could've justified in the first place
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How Socialist is Haier?

I had a post deleted a while back describing Haier and Alibaba, but I'd like to put in a general question about what leftypol thinks about Haier. My general stance is that existing political and economic ideologies are moribund and next-generation forms are necessary to bridge the gap.

From the left side, I'm interested in "finance socialism" wherein the state controls the capital markets and controls the capitalist system underneath it through regulation and control of access to capital. "The Party must own the market, or the market will own the Party".

From the right side, on the other hand, I'm interested in the Haier model, which I'd argue is a very weird corporate organization system that might actually be socialist, or perhaps a system of communes that's fully competitive in a capitalist economy.


Here's the basics of Haier and the Haier model (Rendanheyi, or "customer-client unity").

Haier got its start from a nearly bankrupt Chinese state-owned refrigerator factory during the Reform and Opening Up Era. At that time, the conditions at the factory were so poor that workers were pissing on the floors, and a substantial portion of refrigerators produced were highly substandard but still sold with the user expected to make the required repairs.

Qingdao Refrigerator Plant then hired Zhang Ruimin, a former Red Guard and MBA graduate from a major Chinese technical school with an interest in then-cutting edge Western management theories.

Zhang ran a comprehensive turnaround project, making it clear to the workers that certain quality standards were expected, smashing defective and semi-defective refrigerators with a sledgehammer.

So far, barring where Zhang came from, this is a fairly standard capitalist story. Zhang nixes bad workers, implements the latest in Western management techniques, grows the firm to a substantial size up to the point where it's capable of making acquisitions of Western rivals in the white goods area.


Here's the twist. Around 2010, Zhang goes rogue and implements a plan to completely remove the middle management of his company. He proposes a concept called "Rendanheyi", whose name is typical capitalist speak for "customer is #1, employees are slaves". But when you look at how he actually implemented it, the components are very weird.

First, all middle management is axed. Workers are grouped into small microenterprise instead, typically obeying Dunbar's number as a peak, although many microenterprise are way smaller.

__These microenterprise have a leader that can be voted out by the employees, and the employees can hop between microenterprises._

Moreover, worker remuneration is completely transformed. All workers are paid a subsistence base salary, whether or not they're currently part of a microenterprise (although I assume not working for long enough gets you fired). Where the majority of worker remuneration comes from, on the other hand, is via a big data system that calculates the amount of value each worker is adding to a project, as well as the guidelines of the group organization (where the head can be replaced by the workers). Or, in other words, each worker's surplus value is tallied up, and each worker is paid a portion of the surplus value, with some of the rest going to the enterprise and the owners, of which the Qingdao city government is a substantial stakeholder (Haier is a State-Owned Enterprise as a result).


Most of the discussion of Haier comes from a capitalist point of view, and it's actually quite interesting given that Haier is highly competitive and actively sells its organizational principles to capitalists (they get featured in Harvard Business Review once in a while). However, let's approach it from the left-side of the problem.

Worker alienation from labor as identified by Marx is a problem that both the Japanese and Chinese have attempted to address. With the Japanese, the "salariman" ethos and the notion of "corporate samurai" was a way to build solidarity and identification of the employee with the firm. We obviously aren't interested in it because it's either bourgeois or feudal. Haier, on the other hand, is doing it the other way, by effectively setting themselves up as a platform for communes, where each worker gets voting rights against their immediate boss, and the value they generate is constantly monitored by a bot and their labor directly transfers to their own value. Or, to put it in a way that'd make sure no one ever adopts their model, a Chinese SOE split themselves up into tiny communes. With the small size of semi-independent groups and high worker voice / profit sharing, what you're seeing is a socialist method to deal with capitalist alienation within a mixed capitalist - socialist economy.

Moreover, the idea of distributed microenterprises, who are expected to make contracts and deals with other microenterprises, is fundamentally a Maoist idea in that it favors decentralized control. And Haier is still an SOE. CEO Zhang actually got moved into Haier from generally overseeing Qingdao's city-owned firms.


Now, we get to the "right" side of things. What's frightening about Haier is that Haier is claiming that their organizational mechanism has made them tremendously agile (small teams have no bureaucracy), and has boosted profits substantially. They've made multiple overseas acquisitions and implemented their system there, most recently of note, GE Appliances, who is expected to, within the next 3 years, obtain the status of market leader in their industry.


What do you think?

Here's some basic references; I admit my write-up is lazy.

https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/GE-Appliances-Reviews-E1418961.htm ←- what it's like to work at GE Appliances in the United States
https://hbr.org/2018/11/the-end-of-bureaucracy ← corporate propaganda into HBR

My stance is, potentially, if you guys agree that this is socialist enough, that Haier is getting rich off a commune mode of production that's competitive within a capitalist market economy. Since Harvard Business School etc are hailing this as a next paradigm of capitalism, is this actually yet another way to destroy capitalism from the inside, by developing communes that are fully competitive with traditional capitalist firms?
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In 2008-2010 people thought it was the final crisis of capitalism. In 2020 with covid and the stonk market dip people thought it would be the final crisis.

Will capitalism ever produce a true "FINAL" crisis and collapse? or is that just hapooner porn and in reality it will be a slow decline?
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Patriot Front

<Patriot Front is an American white supremacist, neo-fascist, and American nationalist group[4][5][6] which utilizes imagery of patriotism, liberty, and other widely accepted traditional American values to promote its ideology.[7] Part of the broader alt-right movement, the group split off from Vanguard America in 2017 in the aftermath of the Unite the Right rally.[1][8][9][10]

On a scale from tungsten lightbulb to nuclear blast, how much do they GLOW?
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Ah france the beacon of capitalist success

You just gotta love the undrinkable tap water, the nonexistent jobs and social securities, the seemingly never ending debt and inflation, the decaying infrastructure, the rampant crime and rape rates coupled with the rampant police violence, the blatant propaganda, the cultured civilians that view criticizing islam as necessary but criticizing judaism as hate speech, the never ending propaganda french citizens receive all emulate the true success of capitalism. A beautiful country that I would love to visit some time and a beacon of civilization
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Trotsky Appreciation Thread

So, the New Left movement was Trotskyist

Trotskyist organisations such as the ISO, the SWP, the DSP, Resistance and Socialist Alliance, using entrist methods, have spread it within universities, the political parties, the education system, and the legal system.

But Trotskyism is not restricted to formal membership of such sects. The Frankfurt School was broadly Trotskyist, as was Deconstruction and Postmodernism, even though these academic fashions are criticised at the World Socialist Web Site.

Those purists define a "Trotskyist" as one who acknowledges Trotsky over Lenin as the true leader of the revolution.

On the basis of a broader definition as one who sides with Trotsky rather than Stalin in their split, and promotes Trotsky's "ultraleft" cultural revolution rather than Stalin's conservative "reaction", the Feminist, Gay, Green and Black liberation movements have substantial Trotskyist ancestry.

I do not class Castro and Chavez as Trotskyists, because they do not promote Radical Feminism and Gay Lib. On the other hand, most factions of Trotskyists support them, and try to lead them to their own agenda.

Trotsky explicitly promoted Radical Feminism, Youth Rebellion, Communal Childrearing and the Destruction of the Family, in his book The Revolution Betrayed. It was written in 1936, when Trotsky was living in Norway, and was first published in 1937. The English translation is by Max Eastman.

Trotsky here describes the attack on all tradition launched by the Bolsheviks, and Stalin's reversal of its extremes. I hope that many Trotskyist sympathisers will be shocked to see how extreme he really was - something meaningful to us in the West now that our own family life has been shattered by the same forces.

His campaign is ironic because his own family life, with his second wife Natalya Sedova, was quite normal, as was that of Karl Marx. The only unusual thing is that Trotsky's son Leon Sedoff took his mother's surname.

How do you like your Trotsky - hot or cold?

The Revolution Betrayed is hot - a fiery manifesto, and the author comes across as a fearful warrior wreaking social havoc; one is glad that he was contained.

Yet his account of his time in Norway is cold - it reads like a traveller's diary, and I cannot help feeling sympathy for him.

Trotsky in Norway: https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1936/12/nor.htm
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Redpills on /our/ comarade stalin´s death?

the title, over the years i´ve read some rumors about his death from nazbols saying jewish doctors killed him, that he died during the moscow siege in 1941 and the party had to use a double, Kruschev assasinated or that he never died but become so delusional that the party had to hide him from the public, but i would like to heard any opinion on this topic
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New party forming. A third way. Neither left nor right. Why aren't you faggots on board again? The dialectic is in motion, it's time to hop on.


<I started the Forward Party for a few big reasons. The main one is one we can all see – the current two-party duopoly is not working. While the two major parties have different issues, we can all see that polarization is getting worse and worse, with 42% of both parties regarding the other as not just mistaken, but evil. Neither side is able to meaningfully solve problems, so we all get angrier and angrier.

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why is the russian economy so dependent on oil and iron?
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The growing strike movement in the United States and the case for rank-and-file committees
>Nearly two years into the coronavirus pandemic, a major strike movement is gaining momentum in the United States, with profound implications for the class struggle all over the world.

As predicted in the 2020 January 3rd perspective, this is the decade of the socialist revolution. Faced with the Devastation created by the pandemic, the working class is becoming increasingly militant around the world, especially in the US. While the pro-capitalist unions are working to suppress these struggles, ICFI is working to give the leadership by building the international alliance of rank-and-file committees.
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THE FUTURE! The Thread

Who will be the world superpowers by 2050?

Once military stalemate has been achieved, will USA crumble as a power due to shitty public infrastructure and neglected radical youth?

Will nations with a 'blank canvas' begin to overtake them?
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I went to a Maoist meetup

I went to a Maoist meetup everyone is still coping over Gonzalo the right wing Maoists want to adopt the political line of accumulating forces whist militarising the communist party and the left-wing Maoists want to launch protracted peoples war. Everyone there seems to agree that communists in a country are cucks if they don't at least want a militarized communist party and all communist parties around the world need to militarize and liquidate soc dem members/elements.
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GQ: Griller Question

We've covered Q-schizos, alt rightists, leftists, liberals and even normies.

Now what about the normie's middle aged "middle class" suburban dad? What about the GRILLER?

Why is this demo so conservative and what can be done about it?
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Quick Question,

>"Private Property"
Are both meaningless, undialectical and inherently reactionary social constructs
Then how the fuck is the United States (and north America at large)
>"Stolen Land"
Like if there is no legitimate form of non-universal ownership in regards to land how does one group hold any greater claim to land then any other group?
How is land "stolen" from a group who did not "own" it themselves???
More over,
if there really is NOTHING material that defines the cherokee or any other native group from any other larger or western group how then do you define between the group which did the supposed stealing and the group which was stolen from??
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Will Israel go the way of South Africa?

When you look at the situation both in Israel right now and apartheid era South Africa you can see a lot of similarities: an unpopular government rife with human rights abuses that is situated far away from the rest of the Western world in a region that is entirely hostile to its existence, moreover even its supporters have gotten more demoralized over the years as they are confronted with reality of the situation they are in and the abuses carried out by their governments and even in the US, the cornerstone of Zionist support outside of Israel it has become a mainstream political opinion to oppose Zionism and the government of Israel and the US government has been showing much less interest in intervention in the Middle East in recent times, just like how SA lost the support of America and the West due to the decline of white supremacy and the loss of interest in intervention in Africa to contain communism after the fall of the USSR.

The thing that is unclear if that is to be the case is how exactly would the government of Israel be brought down? Israel is an ultra-religious country armed with nukes and absolutely not hesitant to violently put down any serious opposition to its rule, is it realistic that Palestinian rebels could finally defeat the Israeli government after so many decades? Could international condemnation and sanctions, even by the US, be the catalyst for some sort of peaceful transition of power to a Palestinian or unitary government like what happened with Nelson Mandela? Only time will tell.
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What do these people that desire land back think that will look like in the USA and what will happen?

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>All the left Twitter accounts I follow get hundreds of likes on their tweets at best when it was tens of thousands a year ago
>Most of breadtube is dead, those that aren't are memed on but both the left and right
>All the good subreddits are suspended. All the passable ones are full of boomers now
>Almost all leftist discourse on social media is hijacked by Blue No Matter Who types and wine aunts
>Even leftypol is dead now. Some threads on the catalog are 10 months old

Does it feel like all our momentum died when Trump left office? Like it's even bad for Euro lefties. Was it all just propped up by a mix of a DNC botnet and a few leftists who hated Trump enough to get involved in politics until he was gone? I've seen the far-right gain on Twitter too which is blackpilling as fuck because that is our space.
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Any books on using socialist economic planning for your own life

Is it possible to plan out my life using something akin to socialist economic planning. Can you achieve your dreams via socialist style planning in what you do with your time and what results are expected.
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for context this is an image of the derg revolution

say what you want about revolutions but this, this is just too brutal. The senseless mass slaughter to establish an ML state under the rule of the derg along with Francisco Macías Nguema and Pol Pot was needlessly cruel and couldve been handled way better. the fact that the derg was responsible for the worlds first ethiopian diaspora is fucking frightening
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Fuck Capitalism speaks, they scam you into ABA therapy, private school, and special Ed and then blame YOU for it.
>Beble widh audism need more addention
Yes, humans are a K type species. Our parents aren't falling for hustle culture and we aren't potatoes.
As an Autistic person this annoys me.
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Would you still be a leftist if you were born rich? Or do you only care about working-class politics because it materially benefits you in particular?
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Reminder that Alt-History channels are for dumb dumbs

>This is what alt-historians truly believe in.
Seriously, this fucking retard makes some premises that are "kinda" interesting IMO, but holy fuck every fucking take he has is fucking bullshit. I don't know if I'm mentally disabled tbh probably, I sometimes watch his videos, and watching them ironically is equally as retarded, but sometimes, out of morbid curiosity, I click on his fucking videos and get a fucking aneurysm out of the sheer stupidity.
Yes, that's an actual screenshot.
Watch this and surprise youselves with his stupidity. Let's all laugh at the retards who doesn't know all of his followers are fucking /pol/tards and me who keeps getting baited by his fucking premises.

>The four "trends" of the 21st century

Since I don't want to give views to this absolute buffoon who thinks he's actually smart, and thanks that /leftypol/ lives in 2021 and not in 2004 like 4chan, here's the entire video itself, "enjoy" it
Remember, if, while you're watching this video, you want to off yourself cause if people like this guy exist then the only way out for civilization is complete annihilation of the species, go in here and search your suicide hotline of choice to vent to the unsuspecting guy on the other phone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_suicide_crisis_lines
Be careful, it might be people who follow this retard.
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reddit and china

Why does reddit hate china so much? Is it all eglin air force base's doing and other glowing bots? It's beyond even hating "muh ccp" you see outright anti-Chinese racism and apologists for Japanese WW2 war crimes like Rape of Nanjing. Covid has made it even worse.

I feel like this bullshit is manufacturing consent for a war with China, with asians probably taking the place of muslims as the hated minority in the west.
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Commander X arrested in Mexico


late news, but Commander X, aka Christopher Doyon, was arrested in Mexico on US orders recently. He was an 'anonymous' hacktivist in the early 2010s. Just goes to show the feds never forget.

If you've never read his book, "Behind The Mask: An Inside Look At Anonymous" I suggest giving it a read, it's actually pretty entertaining, and a blast from the past for those of you who were around in the early 2010s occupy wall street/hacktivist/arab spring/movement of the squares era.

It's a retelling of his own, admittedly minor role in this sage and his arrest for hacking from which he's been a fugitive for years.

But now, the feds got him in mexico
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The Woke Left’s Primitive Economics


<Karl Marx called his system “scientific socialism.” Modern leftists advocate a similar ideology and call themselves “woke” to indicate that they understand the world better than the rest of us. Yet the worldview of Marxists and woke leftists alike is fundamentally primitive.

<Folk economics is the economics of people untrained in economics. It is the economic view of the world that evolved in our brains before the development of the modern economy. During this period of evolution the economy was simple, with little specialization except by age and sex, no economic growth, no technological change, limited trade, little capital, and warfare between neighboring tribes.
<Zero-sum thinking was well-adapted to this world. Since there was no economic growth, incomes and wealth didn’t grow. If one person had access to more food or other goods, or greater access to females, it was likely because of expropriation from others. Since there was little capital, a “labor theory of value”—the idea that all value is created by labor alone—would have been appropriate, and there was little need to protect capital through property rights. Frequent warfare encouraged xenophobia.
<Adam Smith and other economists challenged this worldview in the 18th century. They taught that specialization of labor was valuable, that capital was productive, and that labor and capital could work together to increase income. They also showed that property rights needed protection, that members of other tribes or groups could cooperate through trade, that wealth could be created with the proper incentives, and that the creation of wealth would benefit everyone in a society, not only the wealthy. Most important, they showed that a complex economy could work with little or no central direction.
<Marx’s economic system was based on the primitive worldview of our ancestors. For him, conflict rather than cooperation between labor and capital defined the economy. He thought that the wealthy became rich only by exploiting the poor, that all income came from labor, and that the economy needed central direction because he didn’t believe markets were good at self-correction. The collapse of the Soviet Union, the largest and most expensive social-science experiment ever conducted, proved Smith right and Marx wrong.
<Members of the woke left want to return to policies based on this primitive economic thinking. One of their major errors is thinking that the world is zero-sum. That assumption drives identity politics, which sees, among other things, an intrinsic conflict between blacks and whites. The Black Lives Matter movement and Critical Race Theory foment racial antagonism and resurrect xenophobia. Leftists vilify “millionaires and billionaires” like Bill Gates and Elon Musk as evil and exploitative. They should recognize them as productive entrepreneurs whose innovations benefit us all.
<Dislike of the rich makes sense in a world where one can become rich only by exploiting others, but not in a society full of creativity and useful inventions. Changing tax laws to soak the rich makes sense with a labor theory of value, but not with a sophisticated understanding of continual investment and technological change.
<Adopting counterproductive woke policies such as racial job quotas, high taxes, excessive regulation of business, and price controls on some goods may not send us all the way back to the subsistence economy of our ancestors. But if policies that penalize saving and investing and that involve excessive government control are adopted, social capital, wealth, and real income will decline. If we bow to this primitive ideology, there will be increased racial animosity and conflict, slow economic growth, and fewer inventions.
<What is particularly sad is that young people, the main advocates of woke ideology, would suffer the ill effects of these policies for the rest of their lives.

>Mr. Rubin is an emeritus professor of economics at Emory University. He held several senior positions in the Reagan Administration. His most recent book is “A Student’s Guide to Socialism: How It Will Trash Your Lives.”
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Okay, ignoring just woke libs, why is modern day liberalism in general such a fucking retarded ideology with such fucking retarded justifications for itself? I mean ALL liberals, that includes “Republicans”, almost all EU political parties, the Jap government, etc.
But particularly the Anglosphere seems to have especially retarded justifications for liberalism voided of all logic or even basic adult thinking, like it’s just meant to shut down the minds of people who are nearly toddlers

Did liberal theorists genuinely grow stupider over the past 100 years?
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the four consumptions

we need a new cultural revolution, but instead of destroying the four olds we need to destroy the four consumptions, the consumption of twitch/twitch like streaming, the consumption on paid pornography, the consumption of most video games and marvel movies, and the consumption of megachurches
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Based Maoist march in Germany

I saw this based demonstration in person labour aristocrats were looking on scared and Germany has been purging the march off youtube when they can find it.

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Marxism is Not Marxist: On the continual development of revolutionary thought post-socialism

I've been interested in the discussions regarding cultural criticism and the role of a united consciousness in Marxist thought.

We all know Marx himself decried the proto-Marxism that began to flourish with the convening of the Internationale. Similarly, we may appropriate this revolutionary emancipatory perspective – not adhering directly to Marx as the figurehead of Marxism, as Marxism itself is a human project first and foremost; something to be contributed to through the actions, work, and thought of the revolutionary class struggle along the course of history. It exists not simply as a materialist view of the world, it is a conscious expansion of self-awareness, of the ability of workers, historically the most exploited class within the capitalist system, to form their own path through history and create something concrete, something revolutionary that will stand out as a node within the fabric of time, but will never, under any circumstances, exist on the premise of perpetually reinforcing the old order. It is revolutionary, not only politically, but in abstraction before it is formed into creation. Thus, revolutionary failure is integral to the revolutionary struggle and cannot simply be pushed aside, but examined and celebrated as a path to further development in itself
>(i.e., the Hatian revolution, the betrayal [and subsequent quelling] of the Sparticist revolutionists in Bavaria, the French revolution of May '68, the Chinese Cultural Revolution, the revolutions in Africa during the latter half of the twentieth century, etc).
It cannot be argued that the revolution as a whole has failed. We look to the February Bourgeois Revolution in Imperial Russia and the mass suicides of Communists following the July Days. Beyond the failures of the present lie the potential for class struggle later.
Communism, therefore, is not simply an aesthetic – this is why Stalinism and Juche are inherently opposed to Marxism, and why Socialist Realism (the aesthetic fetishism of Stalinist ideology) is similarly counter-revolutionary. This is because of its sharp constraints of free thought behind conception, and its extreme fetishism of a particular, rigid conception of history. This is why Constructivism was revolutionary, with Russian artists playing an integral role in the revolution, in the molding of early Soviet society alongside Lenin's revolutionary theories – constraints were lessened in order for development to continue. This is also why Soviet nostalgia, despite admittedly being fascinating on some nostalgic level, is not Marxist. Revolution is ongoing and is not meant to end after the cessation of the state – this includes the post-socialist East.
I also posit that Dadaism, unlike the movements of its children, was an integral part in the development of Marxist revolutionary theory. Neo-Dadaism and much of the postmodernist perspectives in its wake are reactionary in essence (or, at the very least, ineffectual) due in particular to the focal point of its art being fascinated principally with the object in lieu of the conscious expression, the transmutation of thought into form behind it. Art, like all human creation and economic production, must come to fruition through the theories themselves being tied into the ever-expanding fabric of time and developed upon, instead of simply scrapped and disregarded as outdated, useless, irrelevant.
>Though I am critical of Stalin's actions during his premiership, his letter on linguistics and Marxism is very poignant to this idea:

>>"[…]Language is not a product of one or another base, old or new, within the given society, but of the whole course of the history of the society and of the history of the bases for many centuries. It was created not by some one class, but by the entire society, by all the classes of the society, by the efforts of hundreds of generations. It was created for the satisfaction of the needs not of one particular class, but of the entire society, of all the classes of the society. Precisely for this reason it was created as a single language for the society, common to all members of that society, as the common language of the whole people. Hence the functional role of language, as a means of intercourse between people, consists not in serving one class to the detriment of other classes, but in equally serving the entire society, all the classes of society. This in fact explains why a language may equally serve both the old, moribund system and the new, rising system; both the old base and the new base; both the exploiters and the exploited."

>>"Language…is the product of a whole number of epochs, in the course of which it takes shape, is enriched, develops and is smoothened. A language therefore lives immeasurably longer than any base or any superstructure. This in fact explains why the rise and elimination not only of one base and its superstructure, but of several bases and their corresponding superstructures, have not led in history to the elimination of a given language, to the elimination of its structure and the rise of a new language with a new stock of words and a new grammatical system."


>>"Lastly, one other radical distinction between the superstructure and language. The superstructure is not directly connected with production, with man's productive activity. It is connected with production only indirectly, through the economy, through the base. The superstructure therefore reflects changes in the level of development of the productive forces not immediately and not directly, but only after changes in the base, through the prism of the changes wrought in the base by the changes in production. This means that the sphere of action of the superstructure is narrow and restricted. Language, on the contrary, is connected with man's productive activity directly, and not only with man's productive activity, but with all his other activity in all his spheres of work, from production to the base, and from the base to the superstructure. For this reason language reflects changes in production immediately and directly, without waiting for changes in the base. For this reason the sphere of action of language, which embraces all fields of man's activity, is far broader and more comprehensive than the sphere of action of the superstructure. More, it is practically unlimited. […]The continuous development of industry and agriculture, of trade and transport, of technology and science, demands that language should replenish its vocabulary with new words and expressions needed for their functioning. And language, directly reflecting these needs, does replenish its vocabulary with new words, and perfects its grammatical system."

>Also Left Communism (read: infantilism) isn't Marxist as much as it is dogmatist. Idealism is central to the revolutionary struggle and the capacity of humanity to create thought that is central to history. Marxism is an analytical and phenomenological lens, an ongoing evolutionary development, from which human progress can be honed and the limits of our understanding of reality can finally be reached. Bordigists GTFO.

I had a discussion with a friend after being frustrated with his conflations of dogmatic materialism and orthodox views of history with the broad Marxist analytical lens. I was able to convince him that humanity is interwoven with the fabric of history – all thought conceived before the development of political economy (leading to the Hegellian dialectic and eventually Marx and Engels) was without conscious bearing on its position in the eternal development of the human mind. Workers are (or were, depending on how you view the service industry/postmodernity as an economic development and Marxism's role in relationship to it) necessarily the revolutionary class because of their unique position within society, that of integration into production, into the economy, with enough autonomy to interact and participate in the grand structure of modern capitalism. Still remaining forever ensnared due to the precise lack of agency, lack of freedom, lack of power, afforded by the owners of the means of production.
Workers are able to avoid the reactionary trappings of the past by exploring them in detail through historical analysis, free from ideology, only through a Marxist lens. In this sense, Marx himself was far from a Marxist, even in our evolved conceptions of Communism and the material world – Leninism and Maoism are in this sense Marxist without the progenitors of their thought being strictly students of Marx – this is especially true of post-anarchism Mao. It is also why we must continue to develop Marxism as an analytical and political lens, rather than repeating the same orthodoxy of the Soviet Union under Stalin, of China post-Cultural Revolution, of the reformists in Hungary and the cultural fascists in Cambodia and Korea.
Postmodern life is a developmental stage in human history, in our conception of consciousness and in phenomenology. And it, eventually, will be destroyed – we must do this by our own hands, not simply as a united proletariat, but as Marxists and revolutionary thinkers. There is no returning to the forms of Communism that united workers around the globe in the twentieth century. There is only the eternal possibility of revolution, the success of human ingenuity and the dialectic. Only from keeping the idea of Communism, of Marxism as a whole alive, can we have a glimpse of this future unrestrained by the gross burden of capitalism, as history held hostage by the imperial bourgeoisie and of the shadow of the historical colossi. Communism can only be reached through the enduring democratic revolution of thought, of artistic creation, and of a truly democratic world spirit – I believe a party is only one way to organize a revolution, but it begins first and foremost as a thought, an idea of a better tomorrow. That can only be achieved through the continual development of revolutionary thought.

tl;dr Marxism isn't Marxist, it's the power of thought, the workers alongside the world spirit, not the development of the Marxist project by any particular thinker. Marxism's development rests with communal engagement and discussion, debate, and a decentralized, yet concerted effort to become not masters of time, but masters of our own destinies within time. There is a gap between the revolutionary thinking of non-Marxist thinkers like Marx and Engels, and "Marxist" thinkers like Lenin, Stalin and Mao. Workers *must* replace the bourgeoisie as the ruling class in order for class distinctions to be eventually abolished, but this is an ongoing project that can't simply be quashed by the failures of yesteryear. We must take charge of our own role in development by becoming self-aware of our positions within history and decide the path which history will take.
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/webm/ thread

This thread is for posting any form of /lefty/ videos files ranging from .webm or .mp4, or other
The last thread hit the bump limit, so post new or old videos here.
Link to the last thread here: >>201250
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Go Outside

I've been picking up a lot of hobbies lately and focusing during my wageslave. Have cut back a lot on shitposting (though still have a lot of work left). In the real world, this /leftypol/ shit is just LARP and a waste of time. Go outside; experience life.
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Working class conservatives

Why are so many working class guys like farmers and tradesman ultra right, vote trump, or are into some Qanon pizzagate bullshit? Why do they vote for people who fuck them over?
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/BWG/ Berlin Wall General

I have been wondering about the issue of the Berlin Wall lately. It is obviously a very portent symbol in the minds liberals, anti-communists of other sorts, and maybe even normies as a concrete (lol) example of the failure of socialism. One popular saying in my country even goes something like this:
>How can anyone still be a Communist? The Berlin Wall already fell!

I have heard several people here talk loosely that the wall was an anti-fascist barrier and that its building was justified but since i never saw that argument expanded upon so i was wondering if we could have a thread about it. And also.

>What did the fall of the Berlin Wall actually symbolize?
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Anyone here a part of the DSA (or any other political party?) Is it worth joining up? What do you guys do? Is there any community, any actual communists? There's no real communist party in my area so it would be the DSA or nothing for me.
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Which country is the most latest stage of capitalism so far? USA? Dubai? Japan/South Korea? Or a European country?

IMO East asian countries are the most late stage version of capitalism because they are basically LARPing 1980s urban burgerland aesthetic but in an extremely exaggerated, megastructure type way. It's like they took way late 20th century America did and emulated it uncritically but BIGGER.
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Taiwanese liberation, compared to other similar events

How can we compare (and contrast) Taiwanese liberation to other similar events like what happened in:
>Tibet (1950)
>Goa, Daman, and Diu (1961)
>Golan Heights (1967)
>Timor (1975)
>Kuwait (1990)
>Crimea (2014)
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/brg/ Brasil General /brg

Fascistas anti-fascistas edition

Jair se arrependeu? Será que Ciro e PCdoB aprenderam alguma coisa?
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reminder libtards that human rights is communism

under based capitalism there are no human rights
there is slavery
war and genocide. communism is when human rights dont forget this troons