As far as I know, Russia hasn't been communist in 30 years and are currently ruled by a right-wing party. So why do some on the left get defensive when you point out for example, their support of far right politicians in Europe which is well-documented?
>>2135947Nazi is a common term of opprobrium for fascists. The classic N word, in contrast, is only used by racists. Would you like to promote National Bolshevism?
uygha, please.
>>2135932I can appreciate pushing back on "anti-zigger" posting but acting like UR is more based than the USSR was is silly.
USSR was "hostile" to China during an era when Chinese foreign policy was full of "bruh moments" like cozying up to the US, fighting Vietnam, letting Prince Sianook live in China in exile, supporting Pol Pot against Vietnam, invading India, etc.
>>2135960Zigger is exclusively used in leftypol, it’s a sign that you post on leftypol
>GlowDon’t flatter yourself
>>2135970Am black
Love calling Russia simps ziggers
Kys zigger fag
PRC vs the USSR can be summed up to Stalin's refusal to accept the Chinese SSR, because it would obviously have been a disaster for the USSR polity.
China simply, at that period, had way more population than the USSR, and without a dedicated program of discrimination, which would have created its own problems, ethnic Chinese would end up dominating the USSR.
Similarly, the USSR vs China conflict can be seen as a fight for control of the socialist world, with China attacking Vietnam after liberation and reunification because it took the Soviet side.
Now, the outcome that rejecting the CSSR was intended to avert has come to pass. The Russian Federation is effectively a Chinese client state, although China officially has an anti-hegemonic foreign policy. Consequently, relations between the Russian Federation and China are much smoother because the natural balance of power between the two states have been achieved, and China is reasonably respectful of Russian interests.
>>2136031More likely CIPSO than Huachaha, I think, because Huachaha would recognize they're not making traction and give up, or at least change their talking points. It's more Ukrainian to waste taxpayer and aid dollars ramming their dick up a meat grinder.
Have you considered a DDOS?
>>2135930It's a different story if you're Russian and you simp for your country for what could be many reasons, including that it's better to win than lose, but you don't know who you're talking to on the internet, and there's a solid chance 50% of the zig-zogs (I am going to come up with increasingly absurd slurs for them) can be the equivalent of this kid. There are weebs for Russia out there whose only real knowledge of it is like Soviet military music and stuff from video games, which allows them wallow in those emotions in a vulgar way, and certainly more so than they could for their native country, which they actually have some real knowledge.
But for whatever reason, that won't do for them. Transferred loyalties are a thing that happens with people, which I think is usually the result of some kind of dislocation. You look around at your own country and see that it has a lot of problems, and one doesn't feel a strong attachment to the flag, national anthem, or whatever set of rituals it has. But if you still feel a need for those things, then another country will do. There are Russians who do this too.
>>2136044Also, Chinese rank-and-file sentiment is overwhelmingly pro-Russian, and I think the Chinese are well-aware of their wag-the-dog relationship with the Russian Federation.
The Russian SMO is in contradiction with Xi Jinping's policy of "A Shared Future For All Humankind", but letting the Russians lose is strategically worse, so we're stuck. Supporting China then becomes supporting Russia as a consequence.
>>2136089We don't, we know of it, but we, at most, give it a casual browse every few months.
I'd also point out that I constantly push for the term "fag" to be word filtered to "comrade", as 同志 is Chinese slang for gay.
Anyways, definitely CIPSO. No chance Huachaha would be this sloppy.
>>2135976>As such, many communists view Russia's actions as being objectively helpful to the communist cause even if it's only by accident. I hope this helps.That might be debatable, but is the war helpful to Russia? I'm struggling to see how. This is an interesting thing because war is often mutually destructive. World War I was ultimately harmful to Britain and France even though they won the war. The United States, which entered the war very late but largely supplied one of the sides, benefited. As did Japan, which gained colonial possessions and was also an important supplier during the war. France was so bankrupt and exhausted that it was overrun without much trouble 20 years later. The USSR was a victor in World War II, but bore the brunt of the costs, and ended the war poorer and under more pressure than before (around 1/4 of the country's pre-war capital assets were destroyed, higher than Germany, not to mention losses of the working population), while the U.S. was richer and under less pressure. The U.S. being on the other side of the planet was very important. There are other examples. The U.S. invasion of Iraq was ultimately harmful to the United States but benefited China and Iran.
Back to the present, since the Ukraine war began we've seen one regime change (am I leaving any out?) in the world that can meaningfully be said to have happened because of the war as an external condition, and that is Syria, whose deposed president fled to Russia. It's clear the Ukraine is the biggest loser in this, having lost 20% of its territory (including Crimea?) along with accompanying destruction, war dead, and emigration. But Russia has also experienced considerable losses, and an escalating drone campaign targeting Russia's oil and gas industry is contributing to the loss of productive resources, although it's difficult to tell how significant.
The war is revolutionizing technology, as wars tend to do. Ukraine has become an accelerating laboratory for drones and systems for employing them at scale. But technological leaps like that are often rarely contained to one area. It's an accelerator of change for the U.S. military-industrial complex, which is investing a lot of money into drones and A.I. which the Pentagon sees as decisive in a future war with China. And I'd reckon that China is doing the same thing, and both the U.S. and China will reap some of the benefits, as neither are directly engaged, and they also have large high-tech industries, software development, etc. that goes into these robotic military programs.
>>2136149Well, as the Ukrainians said, "all the dumb Russians are dead".
The Russian military machine is objectively more powerful today than it was in 2022, because despite considerable losses and expenditure of materiel, it has become a more efficient military machine owing to the extermination of incompetent and corrupt Russians.
Moreover, Wagner was essentially the oligarch army, and it has been fully absorbed into the Russian chain of command owing to the killing of its leadership.
Lastly, the war has been good for Russia economically, as the war has been productive redistribution of St. Pete / Moscow wealth to middle Russia and impoverished Russia, because the survivors gain experience and social status, while the dead give the coffin money to relatives.
The important thing to note is that Russia came into this war with a 20% debt to GDP ratio and substantial state assets, making it economically competent to sustain a long slog.
On the other hand, yes. Over 100,000 Russians are dead or critically impaired, Russian inflation has been officially at the 10% point for ages, and Russia has had its assets frozen and lost its European markets for energy.
But I think overall, Russia is winning this war not only on the battlefield, but at home in terms of the social transformations from military Keynesianism.
>>2135970>700 000 + 400 000 casualties in a warI sleep.
>someone says the zigger wordTime to sperg out.
>>2136210It actually works out quite well. Every time you say Zylophone, you give away your identity immediately, and we can waste aid-dollars or taxpayer money on arguing over the Zyprexa word.
Zerokool.
Zike.
Zyzygy.
Zzyzz.
Zygote.
Zebra.
Zoot.
Zoanthropy.
>>2136234I'd argue that the Ukraine War is exactly why Trump has sounded so conciliatory with the Chinese. It has demonstrated that Russian attrit/adapt, and likewise Chinese attrit/adapt, is more than capable of withstanding and defeating Western power.
Consequently, if the West cannot win in Ukraine, it cannot win in Taiwan, and it cannot win in China.
The sacrifice of hundreds of thousands of Russians is showing the world the limits of American power and is making the world more peaceful.
>>2136131Also only pigskins tend to think there’s a singular “black” personality and way of speaking
Christ, the wrong continents got colonized ffs 😭
>>2136253Syria wasn't BRICS, though. It applied to join BRICS and SCO only a couple of months before the government was deposed.
BRICS is an economic grouping, SCO is a weak military and strategic grouping with no equivalent to Article 5.
>>2136276If you simp hard enough for socialism you end up becoming North Korean and fighting in Kursk for the Russians.
Or is your specific definition of Communism equivalent to Trumpism? I'm on board with that.
>>2136280the west is everything west of the kuiper belt and capitalism is when theres a language
you should know this you stupid zignog (not a racial slur, it comes from eggnog)
>>2136439I wouldn't say that, while the Russians are winning, they're obviously overstretched.
The fall of Syria is a real loss stemming from Ukraine, and Russia would have been in danger if they had joined the Iranians in a hardcore action to bail out Assad (yet again).
>>2136474https://tadviser.com/index.php/Company:CIPsO_(Center_for_Information_and_Psychological_Operations_of_Ukraine)I mean, I've had my suspicions about you because you moved into Marx way too quickly, and I recall you being a transman.
But generally speaking, after having arguments with obvious propagandists (claimed to be Russian immigrants until they weren't, story kept changing), there is real and considerable glowops being conducted by multiple powers, whether Chinese, American, Israeli, Russian, or Ukrainian.
Cost of labor, especially after ChatGPT, is low.
>>2136508The basic setup is that Russia is an aggressive revisionist (read: anti-imperialist) power. China is somewhat more powerful than Russia, but China is more passive owing to its role in the global trading system (high debt to GDP, vulnerable to sanctions).
Hence it's Russia doing the heavy-lifting most of the time whereas China just rattles the world's largest hypersonic collection, unable to actually use it.
>>2136492One thing I do want to ask, Gay Nazi, is why you take such a pro-US anti-Russian stance. If my remembrance of your origin story is correct, that you came as an ex-alt rightist disgusted by the self-serving nature of alt right personalities, you should be more pro-Russian.
I mean, one possibility is conventional Trotskyite movements, which I do tolerate because they have survival ability in the West, who take a Patsoc line seeking to focus more on local proletariats than international conflicts.
That is something I can understand, except that while Trots can survive, they have difficulty exerting change in Western contexts.
>>2135930>right-wingwhat makes them right wing? what is your definition of right wing? i think there is a good argument that they are in fact left wing, and i think the majority of your question likely is founded in idealist assumptions.
a lot of people think the difference between left and right is something like liberals vs conservatives, but this is ahistorical. left and right is really about progression vs regression. but what are we progressing or regressing to? from a system of unjust hierarchy based on scarcity to one of social equality and freedom based on abundance. originally the left was anti-monarchy and the right was pro-monarchy, so this made liberals left, because it advocated civil liberties and property ownership for all, moving from feudalism to capitalism, which was historically progressive. but now liberalism has been fully achieved and it has not realized equality fully. some people think that means we just need to do more liberalism or have less government intervention in the market making it really free. but in reality the current conditions are the logical result of free markets, as competition increases there are winners and losers and production is concentrated into fewer and fewer hands, forming monopolies and fusing with the state through regulatory capture. this means that liberalism is now right wing, as maintaining free markets is historically regressive, and simply reproduces the inequality already present.
in the countries where capitalism developed first, they were the first to bring it to the world, along with colonialism and imperialism. for many years this was as direct subjugation of the other countries, with military occupation and horizontal supply chains that create dependency, where raw resources are exported to the parasite country and turned into finished goods that are sold back to the world for a huge profit. through the cold war the world divided into 3 groups, capitalists, communists, and non-aligned. communists on the left, and capitalists on the right. in order to appeal to the good nature of the world the capitalist group pretended to give up their colonies to independence, but really with all the wealth they had already stolen and the vast holdings of colonies they had across the globe they set up a dependency scheme where instead of directly taking raw resources they forced them into debt traps and skimmed a little off the top of every section in a complex web over the world exploiting them through neocolonialism instead. this makes the capitalists right wing, while the communists and non aligned were left wing, also known as imperialists and anti-imperialists. even though the non aligned countries were not communist they were still progressive, because due to their specific history they had not fully developed capitalism yet.
after the ussr collapse and the cold war ended we transitioned from 3 groups to only one group: the capitalists. without the threat of communism they started getting more brazen and subjugating their neocolonies even harder and doing more wars. russia thought they would get help like germany and japan did but instead the capitalists ripped its economy apart and over 10 million people died as a result. then they did the same thing to yugoslavia, then iraq, libya and syria in quick succession. we were now in an age of the unipolar hegemon, for the first time the whole world was controlled by one country and it was a very very right wing liberal capitalist country. everyone forgot about communism and history ended and there was no more progress or regress we had reached the perfect state with no history and also no future.
then 2008 happened and people woke up from their dream remembering that history exists and also that maybe things could be different. somehow the imperialists were not severely damaged by 2008 but their dependents were. how could this be? the globalization of liberalism did not bring equality but instead reproduced the local inequalities already inherent in it on a bigger scale in imperialism? more and expanding liberalism and bring people democratic elections and freedom to own property only led to that property being owned by the monopolies from before? some countries started to notice this and remembered the non-aligned movement, one of the left groups from the cold war. while they were dealing with the turmoil of the economic shocks from the recession they noticed that some countries did better then others, countries that were sovereign and independent, and more importantly, economically self-sufficient. one of those countries was russia.
but during the period between the end of the cold war and the recession there had been a lot of propaganda work done to redefine what it meant to be progressive, not in terms of the specific goals, but in how they are to be obtained. the liberals, looking at what the few rights they had obtained beyond feudalism, in capitalisms fully developed and strongest form, and in their dream world of forgetting their history, came to believe that their rights and privileges appeared to them fully developed to their greatest extent, dismissing the hundreds of years of slavery and millions of workers lives it took to build the institutions and infrastructure capable of sustaining those very rights. and in this blindness thought that they could transform other nations by decree, with the speaking of words, and not through decades of hard work. and to achieve this they would use bombs to destroy what little institutions and infrastructure a given country did have. not looking very progressive from a historical point of view. because where does progress come from? does it come from ideas we hold in our head or from the economic structure of society?
so what is the context in which modern russia exists after the dissolution of the soviet union? from 1991-2008 it was an impoverished destitute colonized gas station experiencing a massive economic collapse. after 2008 and until about 2014 it was in transition towards independence, reversing privatization and re-nationalizing its resources, and directing these state owned assets towards developing self-sufficiency. very progressive, very left-wing, but still not communist. the capitalist hegemony really does not like this. the one sided economic dependence they rely on caused the recession, but it was also russia that they intended to rely on to solve it. not in the russian people, but in the land they live on. they were going to break up russia just like the soviet union and scrap it for parts to keep their global liberalism running a little longer. this is why russia recognized the crimean referendum, because they realized that they were not going to get their independence without a fight, that the united states was not just going to let them walk away unscathed.
and they were right, the us invaded and overthrew the government in the closest and most brotherly country sitting right in russias soft underbelly, and then installed a vicious fascist junta and started massacring russians. so just like the last time the united states tried to use fascists to attack russia they built up their army and bide their time and fall back then struck when they knew they had the upper hand. correctly understanding what is going on in russia means understanding that in reality this is russias war for independence from the united states. and from a historic perspective on the whole, on the world stage, it is a steamhammer blow against imperialism, and is undoubtedly progressive, and thus left-wing.
>>2136614No investigation, no right to speak. Note that 1999/2000 was when Putin took over. Peak to trough, Russia lost 40% of GDP during its reform era, compare Poland where the West made an effort to stabilize the economy.
Can bad faith posting be made a bannable offense? Gb2 Kursk / Pokrovsk.
>>2136614China was a shit hole up until Mao took over, and even then, most economic growth was absorbed by a burgeoning population.
China, up to the Deng period, was essentially a sub-Saharan African country.
>>2136622End of the day, CIPSO is just really, really bad at this, and when moderators aren't acting in their favor, their actions are actually counterproductive insofar as their bad faith posting encourages users to take a more hardline pro-Russian view.
No Russian ever called me Zigger.
>>2136632Look, a hohol desperately trying to avoid Kursk.
Previously I was more sympathetic, now, please, join the meat waves.
>>2136496Ah that must have been someone else. I don't go into /siberia/
>>2136519No, I was never an alt-rightist. The flag at first was a bit of a troll at /pol/yps, so if a /pol/yp wanders in, I might unironically play up the Gay Nazi thing in a reply. It's like Trump and the Village People, it's just a ridiculous image. Or a joke at the expense of anons who go into arguments with presuppositions, whereas I think the dialectical method is to be presuppositionless (like meeting hard with soft), and it's a bit like applying a Rorschach test. Before I was ever interested in socialism as an alternative I was a pretty mainstream "progressive" type. Maybe still am. But that's basically the default for a lot of people like me.
But as far as the Ukraine-Russia war is concerned, I think it's just barbarism and a pointless slaughter of poor people. But in fact, in the beginning I thought the least-bad outcome would be a quick Russian victory as that would lead to the least amount of damage, but now I think it's just a disaster. Also, what people are saying about creating possibilities for revolution somewhere, so far there's no empirical evidence for it, and I think that thing (or you could call it "history" since we are living in it) has to actually happen, otherwise we're just playing a spectator sport. Maybe it does, but nobody, including myself, would have predicted a few months ago that Assad's government would collapse in a week, which is history happening in the exact opposite way that anons around here are saying things are supposed to go.
This is not an extreme position. Like when you read the Communist Manifesto, there's a pretty clear thesis that socialism replacing capitalism is inevitable. But Marx was also extremely reluctant to make more than a few very general statements about what a socialist or communist society would actually be like. But there's a good reason for that because while you may be able to discern general tendencies, that does not imply the ability to forecast any precise outcomes as the future is for the most part a mystery. War tends to be an accelerator but they rarely end in ways that anyone imagined in the beginning.
I have a few more things to say. The violent internal conflict in Ukraine that began in 2014 was much less dangerous to world than the intervention of outside states, which includes both Russia and the United States. I'll also make a prediction and say that the Ukraine war will probably not end in the unconditional surrender of either side.
>>2136613I would like to say "no Russian ever called me a faggot" but I'm pretty sure that's not true lmao. But there are gay Russians too, and much as the government would like to pretend they don't exist, some even support the SMO.
>>2136654Then, some other gay Nazi claimed to be a transman (I don't save stuff, but it sounded like you), and was also an ex-alt rightist. I'll take you at your word, though.
As for Ukraine, the German economy has been in recession since its access to Russian natgas was cut off, while the Russian economy is growing despite sanctions.
Moreover, you had NATO leaders claiming that NATO would collapse if Russian won the war.
Yes, I agree with you that this war has been a humanitarian tragedy, but I see this was part of the game of great power relations and I see this war as historically progressive as it creates cracks in the US-EU relationship (European economies are trashed by Washington-mandated sanctions), exposes Western hypocrisy (AI Weiwei, a noted Chinese dissident, tweeted to his horror after war censorship kicked in in Germany that freedom of speech wasn't guaranteed in the West), and demonstrates to the West its inability to conduct attrit/adapt warfare (Russians now have both an artillery and drone advantage over the Ukrainians, besides an air defense advantage), while depleting many European weapons stockpiles.
I am of the opinion that the Russian and Ukrainian losses are worth it from a BRICS / anti-imperialist angle, so I'm merely hoping for an earlier Ukrainian collapse. As I've stated elsewhere, the Chinese won't allow Russia to lose, so Ukraine has no hope, and merely bashing the Russians just makes this war go longer and kill more people.
>>2136669The most cucked thing was this :
https://globaleuronews.com/2025/01/30/there-was-no-red-flag-over-the-reichstag-either-russia-responded-to-scholz-thanking-the-us-for-liberating-germany/ .
Also fuck the USSR for allowing things to get this bad, for all his cucking, it wasn't Putin who allowed the Warsaw pact and berlin wall to collapse, it wasn't modern Russia who allowed a coup ( Prigozhin vs Yeltsin) to succeed, but it was the USSR under gorbachev, who started the "common European family" boot licking that peaked in the 90s, instead of turning to the global south for cooperation. The USSR should have nuked western Europe before handling the east over, Russia was left severely weakened with a lot of enemies eager to knock it down, and ended up much more demonized than even the USSR was, after 2022. Would be best for Russia to close embassies in the west, forget Europe it's "common home, or Lisbon to Vladivostok" and turn fully to the east, there is no future for Russia with the west, there never was.
>>2136804>The USSR should have nuked western EuropeHow does one collaborate with someone who foams at the mouth at the idea of nuking your entire continent, exactly?
You're mirroring the warhawk liberals quite well here.
>>2136879That's the whole premise of the Cold War.
The reason why i hate late USSR is because Gorbachev gave up and helped to create the ugly fucking contraption that is called "the EU" today which ruined any chance of fixing the western europe for an entire fucking generation.
I have no reason to hate conteprorary Russia because it's no longer supportive of the european solidarity bullshit. Maybe in the 1990s and 2000s.
Russia helps everyone else to fuck up and dismantle the EU which in my eyes cannot be ever fixed.
It really doesn't matter what Russia does. Russia is Russia - it's somewhere over there. The EU however is right fucking here.
Also whoever the fuck wants to fight for the EU existance is a retard. Ukraine does exactly that.
Basically tl;dr:
>EU is cancer>EU should go>Russia/Trump/China might help to destroy it>i will simp for anyone who helps with that >>2136898He could argue that
>but nationalism badfailing to understand that the EU is neither nationalist neither internationalist but cosmopolitan.
>>2136980>So my logical conclusion is that the left-wing loses absolutely NOTHING from supporting Russia.As of right now the left has no actual power, so any support is at best meaningless and at worst reinforces the narrative that all opposition to NATO are Russian agents.
Stop deluding yourself into thinking you are playing 5d chess by tailing Russia.
>>2137128 Russian liberals want to remove the last third of the red. No!!! 😫
Wait, is that really what they’re thinking?
俄罗斯自由主义想把最后三分之一的红色去除，不!!!😫
等一下他们真是这样想的？
>>2137176German recession is arrested to by Western stats.
Russian expansion is believable given military Keynesianism and the SMO operating as a wealth funnel from a rich state to the Russian people.
Unless you believe in Ghost of Kyiv, Russia is winning.
>>2137212Suicide terrorism against imperialist powers is illegal in imperial core territories.
Please do not encourage terrorism on a glowie site.
>>2135930>What's it with the simping for Russia? The same reason why channers and other online people got a kick out of finding "moderate rebels" in Syria, except with Nazis.
And /pol/acks are also invested for the same reason, they reject the moderate head choppers and the Banderites because they see themselves reflected. They see what their idealist bullshit translate to IRL, expendable attack dogs for capital.
It is a sign of the depth of the structural crisis of capital in our time that not since the onset of the First World War and the dissolution of the Second International—during which nearly all of the European social democratic parties joined the interimperialist war on the side of their respective nation-states—has the split on imperialism on the left taken on such serious dimensions.1 Although the more Eurocentric sections of Western Marxism have long sought to attenuate the theory of imperialism in various ways, V. I. Lenin’s classic work Imperialism: The Highest Stage of Capitalism (written in January–June 1916) has nonetheless retained its core position within all discussions of imperialism for over a century, due not only to its accuracy in accounting for the First and Second World Wars, but also to its usefulness in explaining the post-Second World War imperial order.2 Far from standing alone, however, Lenin’s overall analysis has been supplemented and updated at various times by dependency theory, the theory of unequal exchange, world-systems theory, and global value chain analysis, taking into account new historical developments. Through all of this, there has been a basic unity to Marxist imperialism theory, informing global revolutionary struggles.
However, today this Marxist theory of imperialism is commonly being rejected in large part, if not in its entirety, by self-proclaimed socialists in the West with a Eurocentric bias. Hence, the gap between the views of imperialism held by the Western left and those of revolutionary movements in the Global South is wider than at any time in the last century. The historical foundations of this split lie in declining U.S. hegemony and the relative weakening of the entire imperialist world order centered on the triad of the United States, Europe, and Japan, faced with the economic rise of former colonies and semicolonies in the Global South. The waning of U.S. hegemony has been coupled with the attempt of the United States/NATO since the demise of the Soviet Union in 1991 to create a unipolar world order dominated by Washington. In this extreme polarized context many on the left now deny the economic exploitation of the periphery by the core imperialist countries. Moreover, this has been accompanied more recently by sharp attacks on the anti-imperialist left.
Thus, we are now commonly confronted with such contradictory propositions, emanating from the Western left, as: (1) one nation cannot exploit another; (2) there is no such thing as monopoly capitalism as the economic basis of imperialism; (3) imperialist rivalry and exploitation between nations has been displaced by global class struggles within a fully globalized transnational capitalism; (4) all great powers today are capitalist nations engaged in interimperialist struggle; (5) imperialist nations can be judged primarily on a democratic-authoritarian spectrum, so that not all imperialisms are created equal; (6) imperialism is simply a political policy of aggression of one state against another; (7) humanitarian imperialism designed to protect human rights is justified; (8) the dominant classes in the Global South are no longer anti-imperialist and are either transnationalist or subimperialist in orientation; (9) the “anti-imperialist left” is “Manichean” in its support of the morally “good” Global South against the morally “bad” Global North; (10) economic imperialism has now been “reversed” with the Global East/South now exploiting the Global West/North; (11) China and the United States head rival imperialist blocs; and (12) Lenin was mainly a theorist of interimperialism, not of the imperialism of center and periphery.3
In order to understand the complex theoretical and historical issues involved here, it is important to go back to Lenin’s analysis of imperialism, conceiving it not simply in terms of Imperialism: The Highest Stage of Capitalism, but in relation to his whole set of writings on imperialism from 1916–1920. It will then be possible to perceive how the theory of the imperialist world system developed over the last century on the basis of Lenin’s analysis and the early Communist International (Comintern), followed by further theoretical refinements after the Second World War in the work of the main theorists of dependency, unequal exchange, the capitalist world-system, and global value chains. This history will set the stage on which to critique the current denial of imperialism on much of the left[…]
https://monthlyreview.org/2024/11/01/the-new-denial-of-imperialism-on-the-left/>>2137363And you're an illiterate imbecile
>>2137247 does it look like Russia needs it anywhere near as much germany/EU needs it ?
>>2137375Russia suffers more from Western financial sanctions than the loss of oil revenue, since India and China picked up the losses.
I actually wouldn't be surprised if a deal was signed, then Putin sanctioned Germany off to put the ball in their court.
>>2137190>Russian expansion is believable given military Keynesianism and the SMO operating as a wealth funnel from a rich state to the Russian people.in case you weren't paying attention last year russian government nationalized about 30 big corpos that their money exchange scheme defaulted
since the abolishion of that scheme they raised key rates so now they're draining the pockets of the heavy industry and their (already impoverished) society
keysian economy means investing in infrastructure not transfers to underclass
>>2137254russia doesn't have such a potential
>>2137444there is only one thing of any value in russia and that is gas/oil. do you need to see their export map again?
Russian economy is larger than Japan.
I don't blame a dumb animal like you for not knowing though. Would you look at that, Russian GDP which is 1.4x larger than Germany is 36% industry vs 28% for Germany and 27.5% for Japan. You're too stupid to know the difference of currency manipulated nominal GDP from actual output PPP. 38% of Russian gdp is in the grey economy, that when accounted for gives this :
https://www.worldeconomics.com/Rankings/Economies-By-Size.aspxA crucial addendum:
https://ecfr.eu/publication/alone-in-a-trumpian-world-the-eu-and-global-public-opinion-after-the-us-elections/There's a lot of data that has to be carefully looked at. the MB axis exists, but BMB would be a good outcome.
>>2137533content-less retard post. can't fucking believe I'm actually having to explain this to you but:
- country A has a "nominal" GDP per capita of $50,000, while housing, food, and healthcare cost $30,000 per capita
- country B has a "nominal" GDP per capita of $10,000, but *identical quality and quantity* of housing, food and healthcare cost $1,000 per capita
citizens of country B obviously have higher quality of life no matter how hard country A screeches and whines and cries online about how rich they are. take a break from posting here until you understand basic economic concepts like this
>>2137547unless you're in best korea or iran we live in an open world market you dumb fuck
same quality of goods services cost the same fucking worldwide, what differs is margins
>>2137549☝ this retarded piece of shit, still doesn't know Russia is out of the SWIFT. The only way to carry trade would be direct sell or barter. "trillionaire" I pity how retarded you are, the Ruble is undervalued by ~ 3 times, not hundres
https://abc.az/en/news/129677/ruble-recognized-as-most-undervalued-currency-of-g20 >>2137560 ☝ How can someone be this dumb ?, really swine ? then tell me why germany began losing market to China after losing Russian gas, and subsequent price rise ?
>>2137607idk it just sounds like you are saying that russia produces twice as much physical material as germany while germany passes around 3 times as many checks in their circlejerk
i wonder which one improves peoples lives
>>2137612I know you have shit instead of a brain, but I write this again, the comparison in dollar is meaningless, if A) a country is export supluss, so it needs to keep it's currency devalued to export more, vs import surplus so it needs to keep it's currency valued high to import more. Nominal GDP will give a distorted image of A. But even more important, is not to distort the actual value of a currency by sanctions, it won't decrease production of a country but will it's nominal gdp. Ruble was fairly valued at 32 per dollar in 2013 it is still it's correct valuation
https://abc.az/en/news/129677/ruble-recognized-as-most-undervalued-currency-of-g20 nominal 2.2 currency undervalued by 3.1 times, GDP 2.2 x 3.1 = 6.9
>>2137047> reinforces the narrative that all opposition to NATO are Russian agents.Among whom? People who are already pro-nato to begin with and are hopelessly brainwashed?
Most normalfags don’t believe in nato in fact they don’t give a shit at all.
>>2137640if your little fair exchange rate notion had any bearing to it you'd be able to make unlimited money on arbitrage you can't because that's not the case at all
everything you post is pure fucking nonsense
>>2137560Dude for the love of christ go outside, or at the bare minimum talk
once with somebody from a poorer country. We have price variations between city centers and rural sreas, and you think you can buy the same stuff for the same price in Rome and Tashkent?
>>2138593it doesn't because it's a gas station and there are other gas stations out there
russia has neither the wealth to offer it's own, competitive world order nor is it important enough in world supply that it's removal would have an impact.
the potential to oppose the us and the capital world order is a whole zero
>>2138781You Germs are alright by me.
t. American with Germ blood relatives.
>>2147627Maybe you should get fined for being too gay, like hidden gays in bars
.t Putin
(USER ALREADY BANNED) >>2147651I lived in Russia for a bit and went to gay bars that were also frequented by straight men. Homosexual and trans rights and protection as well as other minority and vulnerable population rights have been pioneered by socialists since time immemorial, including the USSR, China, Cuba, etc, while capitalist nations have done the opposite.
Shoot yourself in the face miserable fuck.
>>2147690Are you illiterate.
I'd say I'm offended by Russian homophobia but it's so absurd and contradictory that it makes me laugh. I met a gay Russian emigre who was pro-SMO (more or less). I didn't agree but I like how the implication here is that Russia is a rip-roaring place for the gayest people in the world and soldiers are fighting to defend their precious illusis and bananas smoozies but you're also gay if you don't be a man and join the army. ARE MADE OF GAY OR R U MADE OF MEN? I don't think having plugs in your ears is very gay though. Nevertheless, one may be gay now, but one can also be men, in the future! Onward to victory!
>>2147766There's homophobia in Russia. Let's not kid around. Eurofags and americanoids love to believe they're the land of the gays of freedom and shit. Absolutely fucking not. This is pure propaganda. Just because you can get gay married in Tennessee doesn't mean it's safer to be gay there than in a random place in Russia. In fact, I'd rather be gay in St Petersburg, Russia, than nearly any city in the US.
I recently saw this movie of an absolutely brutal murder of a gay kid in Belgium, who was killed specifically for being gay.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animals_(2021_film)I really hate this idea that the west is a beacon of freedom for queer people. Also in places like Mexico, the biggest threat to queer people is the same as the biggest threat to women, which is tied to the american-mandated neo liberalization of its economy and the american made, american funded, and american weaponized violence in mexico. Which is not so different to Russia's case.
Fuck America. They deserve worse, even though it's already a shit hole, for queer people and basically everyone who isn't moderately well paid. Thank you comrade trump for speed running the destruction of that evil entity.
>>2136200There is little far right about it comrade.
Diversity is on the rise which allows the renewal of the population and culture and that's a necessity because of the life depletion caused by the war in Ukraine. It puts nationalist pigs in jail and fights antisemitism just as any other Western country. It postures a lot on the LGBT topic but as we can see it's just that, posturing. It's just a poorer version of the 1970 USA, merely lagging. I don't even think that having a natalist policy meant to fight the abysmally low birth rates would make a country any far right. There are however some things to say on the abortion rights, very lacklustre. For one thing, Russia is certainly not kicking migrants out. It is certainly building more mosques as we speak, which is perhaps a good thing since it might enlighten Russian a bit more on the Middle East situation so they don't live in a bubble where they only talk about some distant business friend called Iran every once in a while.
>>2135970getting upset at people using N-word spin-offs on a 4chan inspired imageboard (I know this place started on 8chan but all english language anonymous image boards are 4chan derivatives) is like going to a trap house and being mad that people are on drugs.
why are you even here?
>>2148672Getting upset at rampant racism and effective far right sentiment on a leftist board is like going to a trans pride rally and being angry at finding transgender people, why are you even here?
This is /pol/ trolling or glowops, simple as that.
Series depicting the events of 1917 financed by the Russian state and directed by Putins buddies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtWvZ8i05uo>Trotsky depicted as megalomaniac lusty opportunist (true depending on who you ask here but still cartoonishly over the top)>Stalin as illiterate gopnik who is also anti-Semitic btw>Lenin as genius supervillain wanting to deceive the simple god fearing russian peasants and is also financed by the westThis level of brainrot really gives you a clue about which class is in charge in Russia today.
>>2174644China is supporting reactionary parties all over the world and the Chinese welfare state is less generous than the remaining western social democracies.
>>2174640Getting to pick less shitty loans is nice for African countries. I understand that they must align themselves with the lesser evil.
Why must I dickride China because of this? China isn't doing it out of the goodness of their heart, it is just a smart business decision of one global power competing against another.
>>2174700I already said good for you, no
If you have no real concerns that's great.
>>2174736Makes no sense.
>>2174741Bernie sanders is an imperialist social democrat. He wishes to expand and maintain the global imperialist system. Putin wishes to establish sovereignty of the Russian economy. Putin is "leftist" in this sense, Bernie Sanders is a moderate imperial warhawk and therefore "right wing". The fact that Bernie wants marginally better conditions for the imperial core
subjects citizens is beside the point.
>>2174922Do the reading or stfu.
>>2174948how about you stop hiding behind books, you haven't read and try making an argument
>>21749621 or 2 more years and the 'Iran is socialist' crowd will have a huge comeback
The real answer is years of RT propaganda. They have spent a decade integrating itself into conspiracies and other anti-American sentiment. They are heavily invested in everything from anti-vax conspiracies, climate denial, to carnitard diet schizophrenia /anti-veganism, to Palestine, masculinity gaslighting and there's even a lawsuit about them directly financing these conspiracies through shell companies which implicated notable conservative pundits like Tucker Carlson.
They have the goal of converting lolbertarian conservatives over towards Russian sympathy. This is very blatant when you see them try to blame the banks for everything rather than Capitalism itself. I've seen some real good posts I've seen recently, like "Elon Musk is smashing the bourgeois." These guys are just lolberts who call themselves socialists. They're still radicalized by /pol/, which is why it only takes a couple pokes to make them scream their pussies out about minorities and lgbt. They just like the color red. This is why they openly mock socialism when pressed on it, like we saw in the campist threads, where they were even shunning Lenin, who they claim to follow.
It's just grooming, essentially.
>>2175672>campistThe "anti campist" critique can be summed as *themselves* being unable to recognize the end of US hegemony as progressive.
So you need to go around putting out fires whenever someone is incensed by that prospect. But because you either cannot or are not allowed, to actually agitate or take advantage of the fact, you can only resort to language policing and COINTELPRO stuff.
>>2175672>anti-vax conspiraciescritical support for anti-big pharma. opposition to ft detrick bioweapons.
>climate denialcritical support for arctic melting and abiogenic petroleum and chinese fusion. accept the reality that you cant reverse the damage already done. the only way out is thru and dual use coal-nuclear is good.
>carnitard diet schizophreniayeah thats dumb
>anti-veganismconsumer boycotts dont work.
top down vegan stalinism with restrictions on production does
>Palestine???
>>2135990>China began criticizing the USSR for a number of reasons such as being insufficiently confrontational with the West ……
Yeah and what was their response? Fucking side with the west. The CCCP fall is the reason for literally everything bad in the world right now. Great job mao, you fucking retard
>>2177235>the symbol is the realityWhen are people going to learn? Ideology makes you vulnerable to exploitation. It's all well and good to have ideals and even to educate yourself on frameworks, but zealous belief therein is a vulnerability. There's a reason why Marxism has been a failed experiment thus far – it has nothing to do with the underlying ideals and everything to do with the human factors involved in ideal-having.
If you need proof in the pudding, look at how MAGA populism is being manipulated by neo-feudalist fags and Yarvinite knob-polishers like Vance and the rest of the oligarch plants.
Implicit in ideological/religious zeal is a kind of desperation to shape the world to dogmatic belief, and that desperation leads to people being blind to authoritarians like Lenin/Stalin/Mao/etc. It leads to idiotic, ideologically-parochial statements like "if the ruling class says it's Marxist, it is Marxist," when in reality there are very few actual Marxist ideals being implemented.
>>2175679> The "anti campist" critique can be summed as *themselves* being unable to recognize the end of US hegemony as progressive. Progress is a bourgeois shibboleth, you must be a leftist
Campoids reveal themselves to be liberal scum when they continue to cheerlead for capitalism and the fatherland in the 108th year of the epoch of proletarian revolution
>>2178026Since it first appeared on the historical scene
Also, funny to define “permanent occupation by multiple belligerents and extraction of raw materials by the world’s foremost imperialist power” as “national liberation”
>>2178022Please die for your, or some other, bourgeoisie, as a progressive sacrifice for the future of communism
>>2178027Indeed
>>2178067Well you only need to see the anti-campist position actually implemented in
Syria.
It is just coincidence that it look
identical to a NATO victory, though. If the sensation persists, stare at pictures of YPJ women until it goes away.
>>2178093>Assad lost>Russia Lost >(official)Al-Qaeda and ISIS lost>Turkey "lost"<NATO (and Israel) wonIdeal outcome. All the reactionaries involved lost right? And Rojava is still chugging. You got exactly what you advocated for, lucky for you it happened to overlap with the already well hatched plans of the USA. But I digress.
Everything that happens now is exactly what you wanted. OR maybe you wanted a socialist revolution that failed to manifest to replace all those reactionaries. In that case, sorry. The people betrayed your expectations again. Don't worry, though, there are still many more "inter imperialist" conflicts to come and be resolved, for you to put your faith in
NATO (and Israel) the people.
>>2178045The greatest of all states of affairs is a global slaughter of proletarians, and as we know, Lenin very clearly said
“Kautsky was right, the imperialists of the world, are all grand friends, working together, as capitalism is a harmonious social order”
That was right after the paragraph where he praised the German Empire for battling against world spanning British Imperialism
>>2178557it's funny how you accuse "campoids" to believe
>capitalism is a harmonious social order!while at the same time presenting disunity among the capitalist class as a "global slaughter of proletarians", as if unity among them didn't also lead to that
again, why is it better for the bourgeoisie to be united rather than divided?
>>2178591It’s better for every self-described communist that shills for this bourgeoisie or that to have their skulls split open and nailed to a wall, and maybe their families imprisoned too
And the ones that claim if you personally don’t side with the bourgeoisie, their bourgeoisie, you have sided with the bourgeoisie, the other bourgeoisie; those farcical disingenuous clowns ought to be skinned alive
I hope you die screaming
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