Now that he’s (temporarily) back in the United States, I think it’s a good time to ask, what the fuck is Andrew Tate’s deal? I’ve never seen anyone else occupy quite the same position in culture that does/did, and I find it fascinating.
He was the biggest thing on earth at one point, especially among younger people. I remember reading a survey that said like half of all gradeschoolers had seen his stuff, and that of those people, a third of them were influenced by his behavior. And there was another another one that said around half of the zoomer males in England had a positive opinion of him, which is fucking insane if true (btw, if anyone has sources for these, please post them)!
But I don’t really hear about him much anymore, and when I do, it’s usually in the capacity of news articles mentioning his legal affairs. I would say that he fell off because of said legal troubles and account terminations, but if you look back, his peak cultural relevance was actually immediately after that stuff happened, so I have no fucking clue what the deal is. Maybe he never did fall off; maybe I’m just old enough that I’m no longer using the same spaces as kids and as a result don’t know what they’re into, I don’t know
I want to make it clear that I’m not really interested the man himself or any of the drama surrounding him. He’s a meathead retard who struck it big and thinks he’s smarter than he is, there isn’t much more to him than that. What is of interest to me is his relationship with the larger world surrounding him; his historical significance, if you will. Because off the top of my head, I can’t think of any other figures that I can make a clean comparison with. He really does feel like a product of a very specific set of historical circumstances.
>>2175322His rhetoric is appealing to many adolescents, because it channels a misogynist undercurrent in our culture that never really went away. Over the course of the legal emancipation of women, all these social practices and expectation have emerged that assert male dominance over them while keeping their bourgeois "freedom" intact. What tate offers is a way to cut through the obtuse power dynamics of dating and get bitches, so to speak.
Beyond that you see people of school age repeating racist jokes because "they're funny", often not having the critical thinking skills to unpack such a statement. Young people have to deal with accepting a lot of bs just to fit in, so them openly idolizing tate is not really out of step, more like violating a social boundary they have yet had to notice.
>>2175355The thing that stands out to me about Tate specifically is just how damn blatant he is.
Because I get why people would be attracted to him at a base level. I was 15 around the time the anti-SJW stuff happened, and I was very much keyed into that culture. I never fully agreed with anything they said, but I saw the SJWs as a bigger threat, and, frankly, I liked being an edgy shit. It absolutely makes sense to me that young men are still falling for that kind of thing.
But back then, and this may very-well be rose-tinted glasses talking, those guys at least sense of plausible deniability. They insisted that they weren’t sexist against women, but rather opposed to sexism against men. Tate, on the other hand, outright says “women are inferior to men and should be treated as property”.
I also think the age people are watching him at is noteworthy. Going back to the surveys, one of them said that children as young as 7 were watching him, which is a significantly different audience than teenagers.
>>2175322His rise is a consequence of the prevailing internet/reddit relationship gaslighting present at the time which could be summed up with "attractiveness doesn't matter, if you want a gf get a better personality you incel"
Which almost all highschoolers know on an instinctive level is nonsense, Why go get gaslit by feminist redditors and not have sex, when you can follow tates advice (go to the gym, wash ur penis) and actually have a chance of having sex
>>2175516>Tate, on the other hand, outright says “women are inferior to men and should be treated as property”.this is just a consequence of him being a muslim
>>2175950He was born in Washington DC
>>2176698He converted to Islam later, after the peak of his popularity.
he was a pimp turned self-help guru (this is where the real money is) who got pinched because he was speaking out against the hegemony.
>>2175827but there is a real crisis of masculinity, specifically the inability to meaningfully provide for and have cultural influence over a family, which leads to the (personally empowering) attitude that men should always be ready to walk away from any relationship at any moment (the abundance mindset vs being a simp.) Getting a sales funnel to grab up loyal, hard-working, and most importantly financially independent men to relay his media gives his guys a simulation of a revolutionary movement, which they crave in such an environment. This is why Hinkle wanted to tap in to this group, but it seems like they are over that now?
>>2176978lol this is funny.
>>2175322>He was the biggest thing on earth at one point, especially among younger people.Hahahahha.
No.
>And there was another another one that said around half of the zoomer males in England had a positive opinion of him, which is fucking insane if true Not to sound like /pol/ here but yeah no shit the nation with a growing Islamic base of young men is going to like the Islamic man who puts women and politics they disagree with in their place.
>I would say that he fell off because of said legal troubles and account terminations, but if you look back, his peak cultural relevance was actually immediately after that stuff happened, so I have no fucking clue what the deal is. When your fanbase is mostly children the problem becomes they grow up and move onto literally anything else.
>What is of interest to me is his relationship with the larger world surrounding him; his historical significance, if you will. Because off the top of my head, I can’t think of any other figures that I can make a clean comparison with. He really does feel like a product of a very specific set of historical circumstances.Hahahah what the fuck, no, he was always a regurgitating self help retard. These fucking morons, be it the guy who trained Mike Mentzer or the Secret writer all rip off Nietzsche and mysticism to sell some retarded self improvement crap to the impressionable.
He is however a wannabe fascist, but is also scared of hardcore racism being half black himself.
>>2177109>who got pinched because he was speaking out against the hegemony. Getting held in jail is not getting pinched, Tate is still the CIA generational self help shill that happens every few generations. The case against him was never gonna go anywhere and he got released and will no be some spokesperson retard for Trump.
>>2175322>>He was the biggest thing on earth at one point, especially among younger people. I remember reading a survey that said like half of all gradeschoolers had seen his stuff, and that of those people, a third of them were influenced by his behavior. as someone over 30 he never seemed that relevant to me. maybe i'm just old. i find media tends to exaggerate what young people are into in order to scare monger. I remember when I was a teenager media would breathlessly make up or exaggerate crazy shit. they used to say girls would throw "rainbow parties" where they would blowbang some dude with different colored lipsticks on and make his dick look like a rainbow. it's just crazy shit that usually happened once or twice, usualy in bourgeois households, and then the media would be like "IS YOUR CHILD DOING THIS??? FIND OUT!!!!"
so when median people are like "every zoomer male watches tate" I gotta be like "are you sure?"
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