/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Revolution is neither possible nor desirable, our lives are so much more dependent on fragile supply chains now compared to last century where most people were subsistence farmers

>>2180950
t.

>>2180958
oh he is a bandit now

Almost like both exemples were in the middle of a civil war and absolute breakdown of the respective governments…
nah,must be the lack of human spirit or some shit like that

>>2180955
Nah, the Deserter would say because of Moral Degeneracy and etc. I think the point of the character he was molded into a reactionary through the failure of the revolution, the trauma of war and the total sequestering of himself off from participating in the social sphere.

>>2180980
Always was. People tolerated him when there were Germans around, but when Soviets came in, and Makhno refused to disarm and bend the knee, people dropped their support for him, now properly understanding that he was a bandit

It took Soviets a single 1st Horse Army travelling to Poland to destroy Makhno and other bandit gangs. They went to fight Polish and did a side quest on their way

>>2181136
Lenin was the bandit leading the counter revolution. Mahkno was a leader to his people

Past glories are meaningless. They ultimately failed and the Soviets eventually also failed. Past experiments must be studied for their weaknesses and not blindly emulated in the modern day.

>>2180945
There is no imagination. The most revolutionary thought the vast majority have here is social democracy with strong leader.

Counter-revolutionary science, spearheaded by Woodrow Wilson.

>>2181258
This anon has it, the loss of a strong and passionate revolutionary myth has meant the death of what drove the revolutionaries of the past to revolution. The belief that there would come about a total and drastic transformation of society has ceased, it has yielded place in Socialist circles to prosaic demands for more nationalization and for more social services, for more of the values already characteristic of the existing system.
>>2180945
The Marxists really cannot be saved from this fate, it is as natural to them as fish to water, but for Anarchists we can and must build a revolutionary myth, rejuvenate a revolutionary energy, and expel all laconic forces within our ranks, in the words of Makhno "Otherwise, if we do not strive to marshal our forces, our movement will be condemned to succumb once and for all to the influences of liberals and opportunists who haunt our circles"

This is objectively the worst time in human history that has ever existed; for the first time ever, there is not one person in existence who wants to be alive. The newly interconnected world has reached a single global consensus: the complete extinction of all life in the universe is preferable to even one more day of living. All revolutionary endeavors of the 20th century are replaced with a single new project to end the world. That's why.

>>2181443
I was watching a 1951 Czechoslovak film which showed (in color) the May 1st parade in Prague (I think). Pretty remarkable footage of late Stalinism. I like that they had a classical orchestra in the middle of the street during the festivities (27:00). Then the ending is pretty romantic. This is ideology, in other words, religion. It's one based on the Enlightenment to be sure, which is preferable in my opinion to the OTHER uncompromising "faith" in Europe at the time, but quite different from my own experience, and it reminds me of Hobsbawm (who was loyal to AES) as comparing the 20th century to wars of religion, and the ideologies of the time as analogous to religious faith.

I doubt we're going back to this, to be honest.

>>2181227
Actually the right *years* for something strong and durable to believe in (hint: so we can have several decades of catastrophic global war). They talk about family and faith, and will point to Christian affiliation and church attendance stabilizing since the pandemic, but it's still well below the levels they were 20 years ago. Birth rates in conservatives states may be higher than liberal states, but they're falling too. They're not revitalizing anything, they're pumping their fists on Twitter about how Trump owning the libs when he fires air-traffic controllers. They're just as deracinated and atomized as everybody else, and they're also engaged in an online identity movement, just the soy libs who they consider to be their enemies.

And who built this wonderful world? Silicon Valley tech oligarchs? The same people they expect to save the family and community and faith. I think they're going to be disappointed.

>>2181443
> expel all laconic forces within our ranks,
When do that send to us not the liberals or other fascists plox Tankyoo!

>>2183551
>I doubt we're going back to this, to be honest.
Sure, everyone would think it's really hokey and unconvincing if you did this now. Though it's not like people in the recent past were simple-minded. I'm sure there's a deeper, contextual 'why' behind ideological effect. Whatever it was, parades did seem to do something, in their own time. But as always, you work with what you've got. As this pertains to:
>They're just as deracinated and atomized as everybody else
I wonder 'works' in this new context. It's mostly infertile soil. I don't even really like communal integrity being a benchmark of success anymore, I don't think any of that 'works', it's like using GDP as a measure of economic success–maybe in the 1950s that all meant something. I don't think anyone is actually affected by communal experiences of God or expressions of faith. Every one of these people who claim to be driven by or deeply concerned with communal religiosity turn out to invariably be rapists, pedophiles, infidelious, generally just putting on a front of religiosity to cope with their real individual proclivities; I don't really think there are exceptions to this now. And so it is their individual experience of God and their individual belief conflicts and crises which have meaning in this new paradigm.

>>2183629
It's not just the parade, it's the whole package. The stirring music that isn't Ode to Joy but could be, the voice of the narrator, and everyone marching off into the sunset together. It's a "grand narrative" and I suppose I'm also a product of a postmodern atmosphere by contrast to that. And then to paraphrase Hobsbawm again, he didn't believe in a utopia and said that wasn't what he believed at the time. He felt that the choice was between a world and NO WORLD at all. Like that is what they felt the stakes were at that time.

>>2183538
That decision was made by the ruling class. Although a part of the population supports the idea due to their mundane, meaningless lives

>>2183629
>Whatever it was, parades did seem to do something, in their own time.
We still have parades every where all the time.