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>>2179897 >>2182755The letter spells it out but I should re-iterate that it's blatantly illegal if he was arrested for overstaying on a student visa if he has a green card (another name for permanent residency) through marriage. Even if they do manage to deport him, he has a legal visa for re-entry.
But what's quite suspicious about this is ICE informing him that his student visa had been revoked. It makes me suspect that Columbia revoked his status and worked in concert with ICE to have him immediately deported as soon as the process was completed. It would make sense that Columbia would think he's on a student visa if he came on one and was married, he would have no reason to inform the university. This would explain why ICE was blindsided by his actual status.
>>2182757>The Trump administration and those adjacent to it made it pretty clear for a while now that political activists who aren't full citizens will be targeted for deportationslol
they don't even want people who born here and lived here their entire fucking lives, which is a pretty unpopular decision and throws away "we only want illegals/criminals" things out the window
The acceptable in-group will get smaller and smaller, BLM protesters were already being thrown into unmarked vans on camera during protests five years ago
>>2182765This pretty much
>>2182777He can't be banned from the country because he has a visa that allows re-entry. ICE thought he had a different visa status, made the arrest under this mistaken belief, and then proceeded with it illegal. The police violate people's rights and break laws all the time. This is a constant battle.
He will only be barred from re-rentry if a politician interceeds and goes through the extraordinary steps to revoke his green card to save face– which in that case would deny him his legal right– and *that* may actually happen. But it's a mistake to think that rights afforded to Americans (which includes many non-citizens) don't have force. People should focus on protecting his legal status and using the power of the legal system to secure the rights he definitely has. A green card is not a student visa. It's a much more durable and stronger visa.
>>2182786>He can't be banned from the country because he has a visa that allows re-entry. ICE thought he had a different visa status, made the arrest under this mistaken belief, and then proceeded with it illegal. The police violate people's rights and break laws all the time. This is a constant battle.He's literally still in an ICE detention facility.
>People should focus on protecting his legal status and using the power of the legal system to secure the rights he definitely has.Rights are just a piece of paper some dude made up to delineate who are the haves and have-nots in a society, and it's always changing with the times. Unless you're willing to fight for it none of your rights are real. And I mean actually fight for it with violence, not through the legal system. Don't ever rely on the legal system of a literal fascist state to protect you from itself. That's ridiculous.
>>2182793>He's literally still in an ICE detention facility.Again when I say this– you CAN have your legal rights violated by police. It LITERALLY happens all time. That is LITERALLY what we have lawyers are out there fighting about, constantly. Again, I am making it clear the fight needs to be about protecting his legal rights and his legal status.
Your legal rights are as much pieces of paper as a dollar bill is.
>>2183033 (me)
it was real in my mind btw, i forgot to add this part
>>2183028Why, Reddit is trash and only accepts discussion on popular viewpoints.
>>2183031Is it not? Why do I have to be on the other extreme to post here, I want to shit talk Donald’s economics and there’s no “moderately centrist” Chan…
>>2183047I would say I’m open to it certainly
>>2183048>>2183052Reddit sucks I’ve been on chans for a decade, stop trolling
>>2183112They've been hinting that it's time for AOC in 2028, but I doubt even she'd be moderate enough for them.
Pritzker has meme potential and he's a big boy, might help them win back men (won't work).
Newsom had good chances originally, but the fires really fucked his reputation and since he started some podcast Democratic apparatchiks have been calling him "just another mediocre white man with a podcast"
Don't think Jeffries has charisma, even for a dem.
Them running a loser again would make sense.
>>2183112My realistic prediction is that they try to run either Newsom or Tim Kaine, or something like that
My Joker mode prediction is that they'll nominate Mitt Romney as a "unity candidate"
>>2183116>They've been hinting that it's time for AOC in 2028No chances she ever win, she is always the most effeminate woman in the room and have big prey eyes, she cries a lot etc completely unserious and unfit for politics. She does not inspire respect or sturdiness in any way, she is not a phallic woman.
And in the weird timeline where she ever win it would a fatal blow to any progressive ideas politics long term as she is a weak effeminate woman. She is no Scheinbaum at all.
>NewsomCould win but he's a hack with no principle on top of not being that good at winning election in his home state or even at #raping republicans like cringe dark libs hyped him up to be since he suck them off on his shity podcast like a bitch lol. He's just handa handsome WASP that's all there is to this guy i'm afraid. He's no Bill Clinton intelligent either, not that charimatic too.
>The lower middle class, the small manufacturer, the shopkeeper, the artisan, the peasant, all these fight against the bourgeoisie, to save from extinction their existence as fractions of the middle class. They are therefore not revolutionary, but conservative. Nay more, they are reactionary, for they try to roll back the wheel of history. If by chance, they are revolutionary, they are only so in view of their impending transfer into the proletariat; they thus defend not their present, but their future interests, they desert their own standpoint to place themselves at that of the proletariat.
so what are you dorks going to do about the scientific fact that you will never have majority popular support in america? 70% of America is objectively against you, in a material sense and you all still hope for a popular movement like this is feudal china with a peasant majority.
>>2183160Anon do you know what words mean? Corporatism is neoliberalism.
Also we're not even talking about the economy right now we're talking about a legal immigrant being disappeared because they criticized Israel. Trump is openly taking credit for it and promising more to come. Anyone who is still defending him is retarded and not a leftist.
>>2183123He’s the one of the least charismatic.
It’s kind of strange to see a gay man with so little rizz.
>>2183163>non do you know what words mean?Yes, corporatism is organizing society via corporate bodies under the state. It is class collaborationist by nature and is a prerequisite for fascist regimes. Trump does no such thing.
>Corporatism is neoliberalism.kek.
>Also we're not even talking about the economy right now we're talking about a legal immigrant being disappeared because they criticized IsraelOkay? This is bog standard right-wing authoritarianism.
>>2183162how is "rape prep" different than "murder prep" or prepping in general?
it's called a gun, it shoots hot metal and kills whatever you're aiming at
>>2183112JB needs to stay in Illinois
First governor we've had that isn't dog shit in like 30 years we can't let him get away
>>2183107Eggs are in so many things.
Get ready for riots at Denny’s in the future
>>2183152What has he done that is different from previous conservative presidents? I hate him and i hate social-conservatives, especially for what they are doing to the transgenders, but that's not "fascism". Real fascism was much cooler than that because it wasnt just bleak reactionary sentiments with a dogshit aesthetic.
This bullshit is just lame conservative technocracy with the usual nihilism thrown in.
You're also empowering reactionaries too much by calling them facists or nazis because you compare them to some great thing of past in terms of scale, aesthetic and worldview. When in reality it's Bush era conservatism with austerity plan and sadistic mandated bullying of X/Y demographic.
>>2183160This basically.
>>2183171I'll look into it.
>>2183239It's not happening
Nothing ever happens
>>2183262Hmmm what will Infracels say about student protestors ????? 🤔🤔🤔🤔 they love those
STOP ISG POSTING
>>2183164Pete is the logician mathematic wonk type of queer not the inspired communicant version. Peter Thiel is like this too.
Globolibralism always portray homosexuals and transgenders as being "great artists" but it's bullshit, most of them are truly awful at art and they have shit taste. They are oftentime very good at math and organisation though. That's why silicon valley is full of them.
>>2183327No idea just found it funny.
>>2183344What’s ACP?
>>2183316not only is this some hinkle/ACP bullshit account, but every single headline it spams is written in the most tabloidal and sensationalist manner possible.
what's interesting though, is after the election they've switched into "opposition" mode. They're posting more negative stuff about trump and more positive stuff about, for example, AOC. weird, huh? the grift has changed.
>>2183355one unspoken aspect of life in the most imperialist country in the 1st world is that we all know that if we start a
real organized, armed resistance they'll start closing down some of those 800 bases we have on foreign soil, bringing home all those drones and torture devices, and start using them against
us instead of against
them. Even people who are emotionally disgusted by US imperialism know at the back of their mind that things are already bad enough, and they don't want the colonial methods of oppression comign home to be used against them. It's a lot like having cancer. You know you need Chemo, but you don't want to spend the rest of your life constantly nauseous, getting pumped full of chemicals, getting driven from one appointment to the next. Our empire has cancer and we're afraid to get chemo.
>>2183397Look at the post I was replying to. Here, I'll make it easy for you:
>>2183355>the fact that people in these threads keep saying shit like this as things continue to get worse with no signs of any serious organized resistance indicates to me that the Burger Reich isn't gonna collapse but just devolve into a more nakedly imperialist barbaric shitholeHmm, that's weird, it seems like my post makes more sense in the context of
>the Burger Reich isn't gonna collapse but just devolve into a more nakedly imperialist barbaric shitholeAnd not your whining about the stock market. But again, thank you for giving an example of exactly what I was talking about. You've got a sneering hatred for American workers, so much so that completely unprompted you started screeching like a goddamn chimpanzee just to attack the burgers in your brain.
>>2183383Claiming that it's all in service of a nebulous revolution is the usual excuse of these things. Getting giddy that an entire generation of young Americans are going to suffer a massive reduction in living standards and gradual collapse of any livable future and then pulling yourself back and saying you're happy that it will just accelerate the revolution rather than happy to see more people here suffer.
>>2183406The post you were replying to was replying to ME you fucking retard, and it was addressed to MY post, which was obviously talking about the stock market and possible recession. Learn to fucking read.
>Claiming that it's all in service of a nebulous revolutionYou are extremely stupid and historically illiterate. The post-WWI recessions not only set off a strike wave all across the world, but in fact triggered multiple communist revolutions across Europe, including in Germany. The Great Depression (which, if you had any historical or theoretical understanding whatsoever, you would know) provided a massive boon to communist parties in all advanced countries, including the communist party you represent and so should know the history of. The CIO grew out of the Great Depression. It was of course, in the wake of 2008 that the Occupy Wall Street protests took off and from there, we can attribute the rise of Bernie Sanders and the DSA largely to that crash and its backlash.
It's not a "nebulous" revolution I'm talking about. It is an objective, historical, verifiable FACT that workers grow more militant and organized in the face of economic crashes. You represent a reformist, Democrat-aligned organization that doesn't want to rock the boat, so of course you view recessions and market crashes as great evils because they threaten the status quo. The rest of us correctly see them as an opportunity and a bloody nose for our natural class enemies, the bourgeoisie.
>>2183386John Brown was liberal and his actions seemed progressive by forcing the civil war and ending slavery. But if the US had slavery for just a few decades longer it would have crippled it's growing capitalist economy and perhaps they would nothing more than a regional power today. So was it ultimately progressive or not?
>>2183394Plus they always equate attacks on cars and windows as the same as political violence.
>>2183407>Wannabe billionaires who delusionally thought they had a chance are reactionary.Sure but who cares? Their kids who will be forced to grow up among the working classes won't fall for the same bootstraps bullshit when they see the total failure of their parents Petite bourgeois class position is destined for destruction and only liberals want to keep it propped up to prolong the system.
>>2183416>It is an objective, historical, verifiable FACT that workers grow more militant and organized in the face of economic crashes.I think it's more a combination of rising expectations with sudden reversals. The Soviet economist Dalmatov (although his methodology has been questioned) pointed to rising wages in Russia before the revolutions there. The U.S. experienced a relatively high rate of unrest in the late 60s when wages peaked. It was rising expectations (more money, more leisure time) that led people to demand more and imparted a lot of energy to new social movements. We're also at relatively high level of wage growth and I think Musk and co. want to roll that back and discipline labor.
>You represent a reformist, Democrat-aligned organization that doesn't want to rock the boat, so of course you view recessions and market crashes as great evils because they threaten the status quo.I wouldn't cheer it on because (a) recessions / depressions are built into the capitalist boom and bust cycle anyways which is unstable and (b) poor people are hurt much more than rich capitalists. They're the ones who take the brunt of it. Like, I get the triumphalism and that it may be necessary in some sense for your revolution to happen, but gloating about suffering and stuff seems a little too far on the edgelord side of it.
>>2183416>The post you were replying to was replying to ME you fucking retard, and it was addressed to MY post, which was obviously talking about the stock market and possible recession. Learn to fucking read.And I wasn't talking to you. Again I'm not sure how stupid you are, but I fucking highlighted the subject of what I was responding to: that there won't be a revolution but just a continued slide into barbarism and imperialism. Then you took my pointing out that slide will be facilitated by the American left's complete hatred of the people here to reiterate that you do, in fact, hate the people here.
>You are extremely stupid and historically illiterate. The post-WWI recessions not only set off a strike wave all across the world, but in fact triggered multiple communist revolutions across Europe, including in Germany.How'd that revolution in Germany go? And besides the point, whenever there was something that "accelerated the contradictions" as it were, real revolutionaries like Lenin were just as quick to assert that Socialists should be out there helping the people and that it's a tragedy what's happening. You, on the other hand, are dancing.
>The Great Depression (which, if you had any historical or theoretical understanding whatsoever, you would know) provided a massive boon to communist parties in all advanced countries, including the communist party you represent and so should know the history of.From William Z. Foster's "Toward Soviet America" written during the Great Depression
<THE MOST striking and significant political and social fact in the world today is the glaring contrast between the industrial, political and social conditions prevailing in the capitalist countries and those obtaining in the Soviet Union. Throughout the capitalist world, without exception, the picture is one of increasing chaos and crisis. The capitalist industrial system is paralysed as never before. Tremendous masses of workers are thrown into unemployment and destitution. The standards of living of the producing masses have declined catastrophically, mass starvation existing in every capitalist country, including the United States. War is already here in Manchuria and preparations go ahead upon an unprecedented scale for future wars against the Soviet Union and among the capitalist powers themselves. To enforce their regime of hunger and intensified exploitation, the capitalists everywhere are increasingly developing their dictatorship from its masked form of bourgeois democracy into open systems of Fascist terrorism. And against all this the revolutionary upsurge of the workers and poor farmers becomes worldwide; revolutionary struggle growing acute in many countries. Capitalism is manifestly in serious crisis.And again:
<Wholesale starvation, spreading like a plague, is the order of the day in all capitalist countries. The bourgeoisie, intent only upon its own pleasures, cynically shrugs its shoulders at the whole terrible misery, when it does not hypocritically direct the masses towards religion for consolation. Nor are there “scientists” lacking to justify this mass starvation. Thus Prof. E. G. Conklin of Princeton University says: “Some of the weaker, according to the law of nature, will naturally die under the stress of the times. Others will not propagate their kind. The strong and hardy will survive and reproduce, and thus the human race will be strengthened.”4He pointed out something that might be a bit shocking to you, but that mass immiseration of people is *bad*. Terrifying, I know. But it seems in modernity whenever there's another catastrophe that afflicts millions of people, another bit of suffering, another crisis of capitalism, you're the first in the line to be
celebrating it. You celebrate the immiseration of people. And only when someone calls you out on it that you pretend that you're just exciting for the "revolution" that no one really believes is happening, least of all one led by nihilists like you.
>The CIO grew out of the Great Depression.Did the CIO respond to workers anxious over the great depression with "HAHAHA! Aww, you gonna cry? You gonna cry? This is AWESOME!"
You don't give a damn about the workers, least of all the real ones out there suffering. You like the
idea of workers.
>>2183424>>2183427 (me)
Also I think questioning whether or not something is progressive based on retroactively saying the US is somehow utterly unique is wrong. Germany could easily have been the dominant force in the West instead of the US, and taken the reins of the British and French empires. There's nothing totally unique or evil about the US when the constant competition between European great powers meant that eventually there might be a unipolar moment, like if Napoleon had completed his conquests. It just so happens that the US managed to achieve the unification of the West, albeit temporarily.
>>2183424>Plus they always equate attacks on cars and windows as the same as political violence. Yeah it's not the same but anarchists like to say it's not "violence" because they like to smash cars and windows. It's still using "force" though. But I think that tends to be counterproductive. Like you'll occasionally see anarchist demonstrations from time to time when they get enough people together and they'll go on a smashing spree of cars, but those are just people's cars parked along the street and they don't really make distinctions. The Weather Underground also did this in 1969 during the "Days of Rage" demonstration in Chicago. They smashed up a bunch of people's cars for no reason.
>>2183432>That appears incorrect to me though, since so much of the wealth of the rich is tied up in leveraged assets when the markets crash it tends to decrease wealth inequality.It's an interesting question but I'm not sure. Like after the 2008 recession and the COVID recession, inequality grew even faster than before. This also seems like it can happen along with wage growth so you have both rising expectations and also widening inequality because the rich are SO MUCH richer than before.
>>2183422Thank you comrade, this is very helpful. Of course it's hard to talk about anything with your coworkers today considering how isolated and monitored everything is.
>Union organizing manuals are actually good for advice on this.Any good ones you'd recommend? I've long thought about organizing one but it seems like an impossible task.
>>2183444>Ok CPUSA Anon, five years from now, after America is rocked by general strikes, a resurgent militant labor movement, and the growth of a new generation of educated communist organizers unseen in over half a century, I will publicly apologize to you for celebrating the temporary immiseration that produced these results. It was wrong and evil of me to not be more short-sighted.In case it needs to be reiterated here's a handy video.
Five years from now, you want to know what's gonna happen? People are gonna be poorer. Life is gonna get a little harder. Doesn't matter if you're White, Black, Trans, Straight, Gay, whatever the fuck. People are going to be fucking hurting and desperate, and this is what they'll hear.
From the liberals:
>"Things are fine. They're better than ever, even. You're an idiot if you can't see that."From the right:
>"Things are bad. The Left wants you poor. They want you suffering. They want you to be an immiserated little wretch and they're fucking laughing at you about it. But we can fix things if we just round up all these leftists, all these foreigners, these queers, and send them to the labor camps."From the left (you):
<"FUCK YEAH! Did you just hear unemployment's at 10%? And the real unemployment rate is 50%! God this fucking rules! Amerikkka is FUCKED! Aww, what's the matter, you upset? Oh boo-fucking-hoo, you can't go on vacation. This is AWESOME! The revolution is coming!" >>2183470cpusanon,
people don't talk like that to the uninformed, people don't really talk like that in general, and you're actively downplaying the persuasive power of people on the left for virtually no reason
>>2183488See I hope I’m wrong but if there’s one thing I’ve learned to count on it’s Libs being idiots and the Left self sabotaging.
>>2183491I’ve yet to see this imagined persuasive power admittedly. The most I’ve seen is lecturing nannies more interested in telling people why they should be fascists than showing concern over the people here. In fact I’d not at all be shocked if, somehow through sheer stupidity, Trump causes a famine in the country and leftists around the world gather to say “good, this is only affecting labor aristocrats.”
>>2183470It's absolutely mind bogglingly insane to me that you apparently genuinely do not remember how tumultuous the Great Recession was and the extraordinary opportunity it provided the left. Do you not remember the general strikes in Greece or Spain? Do you not remember the overnight explosion of Syriza and Podemos into dominant parties? Do you not remember the anti-austerity movement and the gigantic, militant protests and riots?
Your theory that the only thing that happens in a recession is people's lives just get worse and there are no positive political or social consequences is so fundamentally ahistorical that it's impossible to take you seriously.
>>2183431>US is somehow utterly unique is wrong.US's position is unique though. It took over the continent with little resistance because disease wiped out most the natives, was protected from most the world by the oceans while it's northern and southern neighbors are very weak. This gave it the ability to later project it's power when the other western capitalists destroyed themselves. If it faced more internal difficulties it would not be in a position to take over the West and became the capitalist hegemon.
>Germany could easily have been the dominant force in the West instead of the USHow could this happen after WW2? It took the US to come in at the end of the WW2 to save West Germany from the USSR. If the US was largely isolated in North America dealing with it's internal problems then world capitalism would be on it's last legs if it still existed at all.
Liberal Progressives do nothing but keep capitalism going and are evil.
>>2183531You are too stupid to have a discussion with, sorry. Try taking some supplements, maybe your brain will get stronger.
>>2183533Actually, ditto for above. I can't believe I've wasted hours of my life arguing with such filth.
>>2183633yeah I think this is a good idea too.
I have been thinking about the same thing, most of this area is completely abandoned by the regime
>>2183626>most effective form of resistance<completely leaderless and spontaneousLenin looks down upon us from communist heaven with pity.
The chaotic environment created by such an approach is also vulnerable to infiltration by subversive elements. Our objective is not to simply sow chaos but to build up class power against the capitalist state. That means organization, planning, education etc. Such efforts will naturally create leaders, official or not. It's not a question of preventing infiltration but of minimizing the damage that can be done. What use is an infiltrator who only knows the other people that run some warehouse? One who has to simply drive equipment from one public place to another? Maybe through praxis, a would be infiltrator can become a double agent?
>>2183647im from the bayou
>>2183643this lenin pic goes crazy
>>2183596>>2183643>>2183613To be frank I think that there's a lot of cross-pollination within the American Left between even Anarchists and MLs, though I believe it's mostly the former influencing the latter. Just the nature of the beast.
I don't have too much on the centralization vs decentralization thing, beyond the fact that I think we really need to get the wider public to start believing in a kind of socialism. I think the "correct" formulation might be more a result of trial and error and experimentation than finding the correct line from the start.
>>2183652low key you find syndicalist writings on both commie sites and anarchist sites
it's pretty obvious that the material conditions would require a mixture of tactics
or we just give the anarchists portland as a free zone
>>2183648>Look man the Soviet Union is gone, the conditions in America are very different to early 20th century Russia and are not conductive towards centralized organizationsBut that's not what I'm advocating. This centralize vs decentralize discourse is silly! It's as if people forget that both attitudes can be employed at different levels. What I'm saying is more along the lines of what's said here
>>2183652 . You're right, we are in a new era but that being the case, we should be finding the appropriate tactics from applying our theory without hyper-focusing on ideological purity.
>>2183637Well I was thinking the Molly Maguires based on the regional history.
>>2183641It's not quite a serious proposal but it's something I've kicked around in my mind.
>>2183644I live here man, I know what it's like.
>>2183647I've actually been out in the wilderness several times.
>>2183659>Maybe the centralization comes in the form of having a few broad central commandments that we all promise to help fulfillDecided democratically, of course. Unity in action but with freedom of discussion. Some sort of
democratic centralism, perhaps? Akin to guerilla war (or the prelude to one) where the overall objective is clear but the individual cells have freedom to decide upon their local tactics or, perhaps in a more advanced situation, like the forward parts of an army with freedom to take initiative but still acting as a cohesive whole. Where the masses, not yet fully politically radicalized, are like the main force which need work to be mobilized whereas the advanced sections of the proletariat have to cut a path through the barricades, both pyhsical and ideological. Establish a beachhead, if you will, guiding and pathfinding like a pioneer force or … perhaps a
vanguard? >>2183653There was this graph I saw ages ago that was comparing search results for "The Conquest of Bread" vs "State and Revolution" and in most of the Third World it was ML theory that was being searched while in the First World it was Anarchist theory (barring some exceptions in Europe I believe). Or to use a Christian example (I know I overuse these, its the easiest frame of reference for me) the Catholic Church in the Vatican lowkey discusses an "Americanist" heresy wherein Catholics in America, after a few generations, have some very unCatholic views slither into their Religion. And funny enough despite uber-conservative prods basically saying we're all going to Hell and we aren't even Christian, you get others that think we believe in Sola Fide or the Rapture or what have you. Ideas come here and they get Americanized; even Marxism-Leninism. So chances are if there IS a revolution over here, it'd be radically different from the Bolshevik one.
I do hope we don't go full Anarchist though, 'cause I've got sincere doubts in their methods, but I don't think we should be averse to working with them.
>>2183685one of the most important pieces of tactical operational concepts we have was created by the anarchists
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%A9tournementlow key a lot of libs call themselves anarchists which makes the label seem much more cringe
>>2183693how do we handle the de-imperialization? how do we handle the post-revolution insurrections to restore capital?
Any party that forms needs to be thinking about how they would represent as the transitional state. If you wanna win, start thinking about what happens after you do
>>2183693>we shouldn't be united by nationality or ethnicity or even ideology, just a commonly shared goalI get what you're trying to say, comrade, but unfortunately what you are describing
is ideology. Not just that, but the way I think of the vanguard is not so much a concious party that establishes itself
as the vanguard but rather the natural result of some people being more advanced than others. You can't just "dissolve" a vanguard just as you can't proclaim one.
>>2183633>Should I just fuck off to the mountains of the Coal Region of Pennsylvania and start something like the Zapatistas?I've been reading We by Zamyatin and the bad stuff hasn't happened yet, and the narrator is still talking to the reader like the ultra-rationalist Panopticon society he lives in is really good and makes perfect mathematical sense and you're, like, a big dumb monkey if you don't find that self-evidently correct. But the backstory is that there was a 200-year-long war between the cities and the rural areas (because the peasants were hoarding all the grain) and the cities won, although there was probably mass use of nuclear weapons (although nuclear weapons hadn't been invented yet when Zamyatin was writing this) and most certainly the destruction of 98.8% of the world population and the survivors going off to the live in the One State.
But I dunno, I could see that happening.
>>2183701We gotta seize the state. Let's stop pussyfooting about it. America is here. You ain't going back to a past where in America doesn't exist. You do the autonomous break away zones 'PNW Federation', or whatever, you don't end capitalism/imperialism. After the revolution, insurrections will seek to restore the previous order, they will target oppressed people's first (think Texas insurrectionists taking a reservation).
Okay, so we need a transitional state. PR and Hawaii and Guam should be sovereign, but can they deal with climate change? We got the resources, so perhaps this transitional state is focused on both decolonization/imperializing the nation state, and preparing the places we leave for soverignity via climate infastructure
okay but the whole goal of communism is *workers of the world*
ok who is the linchpin?
ok so we pull the linchpun? what happens
century of humanity, and it's all on us to do it. Fuck the "boot stomping someone's face forever" bullshit, that's chauvinistic to me. Capital has already been rebuked in half the world, and we can finish this mf.
>>2183734It's fairly tame by burger standards of rhetoric.
They talk like that among themselves all the time.
>>2183746>>2183752I'd say one big thing is, among liberals at least, there's a decaying call for unity or compromise, or maybe it's that the ultimate sin in American Liberalism is to accuse the liberals of being self-interested and corrupt. They pride themselves on a sense of moral "earnestness" and when you're in the party, you've got to pretend that your colleagues oppose medicare for all out of some supposed worries about the budget and not because they're bought and paid for by insurance companies. I don't think they really tolerate claims that their politicians are evil the same way Republicans do about theirs.
Which isn't to say it wont work, but rather that it can backfire and liberals will instead rally around the center and bully other earnest, good-hearted people into doing that, too.
>>2183755Donald Trump tries getting into his new Tesla.
Secret Service:
>Mr. President… noooo!!!! >>2183687ahahahahahaha how can he be so retarded
literally every porky liquidates their shares before crash
even porky pelosi does that shit
>>2183914You forgot:
>Destroys Tesla so BYD can complete the takeoverI mean that was already happening, but now it's a foregone conclusion.
https://www.carscoops.com/2025/03/tesla-sales-falling-off-a-cliff-globally-including-germany-australia-and-china/ >Despite the fact that Canada is charging the USA from 250% to 390% Tariffs on many of our farm products, Ontario just announced a 25% surcharge on “electricity,” of all things, and your not even allowed to do that. Because our Tariffs are reciprocal, we’ll just get it all back on April 2. Canada is a Tariff abuser, and always has been, but the United States is not going to be subsidizing Canada any longer. We don’t need your Cars, we don’t need your Lumber, we don’t your Energy, and very soon, you will find that out. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!
YOU'RE NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO DO THAT! And we don't your energy either! SOON
>>2183957>Kill the boer kill the racist salute to comrade SlovoAmabhulu azizinja
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>>2184001Half of those points are the same but the rest are good things
>recessionActual fake news. Petite-bourgeois anxiety we seem from democrat. Democrat are now on par with nick fuentes. Trump, great ruinator of democrat, continue on,, our king. 👑 smash democrat ideologic capacity, removing sheep wool from wolf, exposing democrat for chud they really are
>>2184065If you read the image text, it's more like a mercenary hacker group. The two separate attacks don't have to be connected and the DeepSeek attack occurred during the Chinese Spring Festival which was a few weeks ago.
>>2184076Attacking Ecks would have a bigger benefit for Musk than it does for the Ukrainian government. Musk is clearly angling to disable Starlink comms for Ukraine, and any false flag attack would be beneficial for his narrative he needs to send out to the whooping monkey Westoids that support him.
>>2184096oh my bad
thats funny
>>2184110>Based on Ontario, Canada, placing a 25% Tariff on “Electricity” coming into the United States, I have instructed my Secretary of Commerce to add an ADDITIONAL 25% Tariff, to 50%, on all STEEL and ALUMINUM COMING INTO THE UNITED STATES FROM CANADA, ONE OF THE HIGHEST TARIFFING NATIONS ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD. This will go into effect TOMORROW MORNING, March 12th. Also, Canada must immediately drop their Anti-American Farmer Tariff of 250% to 390% on various U.S. dairy products, which has long been considered outrageous. I will shortly be declaring a National Emergency on Electricity within the threatened area. This will allow the U.S to quickly do what has to be done to alleviate this abusive threat from Canada. If other egregious, long time Tariffs are not likewise dropped by Canada, I will substantially increase, on April 2nd, the Tariffs on Cars coming into the U.S. which will, essentially, permanently shut down the automobile manufacturing business in Canada. Those cars can easily be made in the USA! Also, Canada pays very little for National Security, relying on the United States for military protection. We are subsidizing Canada to the tune of more than 200 Billion Dollars a year. WHY??? This cannot continue. The only thing that makes sense is for Canada to become our cherished Fifty First State. This would make all Tariffs, and everything else, totally disappear. Canadians’ taxes will be very substantially reduced, they will be more secure, militarily and otherwise, than ever before, there would no longer be a Northern Border problem, and the greatest and most powerful nation in the World will be bigger, better and stronger than ever — And Canada will be a big part of that. The artificial line of separation drawn many years ago will finally disappear, and we will have the safest and most beautiful Nation anywhere in the World — And your brilliant anthem, “O Canada,” will continue to play, but now representing a GREAT and POWERFUL STATE within the greatest Nation that the World has ever seen! >>2184064Fucking told you this was technokabuki
>>2184099Think about it in terms of finance/military/tech/intel/journalism racket deciding how to allocate resources. They already have the botnet. They are obliged to hit DeepSeek with it and write a bunch of articles about how it shows China's weakness. Give the app service issues when a lot of people are picking it up
>>2184135Well I mean most people who use AI apps are not gonna do that, and the service issues did have a minor hiccup that could annoy them, but yes I agree that makes it even more retarded.
I was still using that shit straight through the cyberattack I just asked fewer stupid questions and more complicated ones about organizing all of my expenses on a spreadsheet etc
>>2184199Its true though. It is open shut case. Apparently he came her december 2022 so not 5 years. If he say Hamas is based he get deported. If he does not then he is controlled opposition. Rock and hardplace. Such is the life of the janus gusano comprador bourgeois
>>2184201They already did
>>2184225He supports hamas therefore he violates part B section 2
https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-12-part-l-chapter-2Explain how this isnt open shut
>>2183836There's a very good argument to be made that Trump is dumber than Bush.
Trump is just a lot more loud and assertive whereas Bush was "folksy".
>>2184247Anyone who isn't advocating for mass arrests at this point is not being serious.
Wall to wall criminals.
why are us and china spitroasting canada like this?
>>2184257prosecutors would have been able to read them, and we'd get to read the parts selectively leaked
>>2184307The basic argument against destroying American social programs and regulations was that it would lead to some sort of popular uprising against the rich.
Since the Left has negative political power in our beloved Burgerreich, I don't really think there's a downside.
>>2184295https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/22/40.34#:~:text=The%20term%20affiliate%2C%20as%20used,the%20proscribed%20association%20or%20party.
>(a) Definition of affiliate. The term affiliate, as used in INA 212(a)(3)(D), means an oganization which is related to, or identified with, a proscribed association or party, including any section, subsidiary, branch, or subdivision thereof, in such close association as to evidence an adherence to or a furtherance of the purposes and objectives of such association or party, or as to indicate a working alliance to bring to fruition the purposes and objectives of the proscribed association or party. An organization which gives, loans, or promises support, money, or other thing of value for any purpose to any proscribed association or party is presumed to be an affiliate of such association or party, but nothing contained in this paragraph shall be construed as an exclusive definition of the term affiliate.He is affliated because he further hamas goals. And definition of affiliate is gaping open for reason like this
>>2184297That is inevitibly the case though
>>2184303Because thats how our system works. Democrats are leeching onto this issue particularly to serve their agenda.
>>2184300I will leave when i have strong Communist reasoning as to why all gusano bourgeois shouldnt be butt raped in ICE camps.
>>2184310Can't wait to watch the team they send to go and get him to bring back for trial and ensuing caper.
You get that boer bastard, Crocodile man.
>>2184257actually I was hoping the JDPON coalition would liberate records of burgerreich crimes and make them public after the JDPON occupies washington in 1945 and burgerfuhrer XAE-12 commits frypuku in the burger bunker
but alas, DOGE has burned all the records of burgerreich war crimes, so there are none left for the JDPON coalition to liberate, smh
>>2184345democratic celibates
hazbin hotels for short
>>2184335I can point you to a democrat who would be fine with that.
>>2184329 Only a democrat would try whitewash democrats of sinophobia. Relations with China were better under Biden???
>>2184340I’m fucked up
I know the dark shit this is referencing but still laughed.
>>2184356How is abolishing usaid, for whatever reason, not of proletarian interest?
>post truth worldYou are a postmodernist democrat. Explain why lying to destroy USAID is bad
How the avengers will react:
Captain America: Don't worry guys, I've seen these Russians before. I've seen stalin, Putin doesn't stand a chance. throws shield at russian soldier, snapping his spine
Thor: "This looks like a job for me" "not so fast!!!" says Falcon. "These aren't just your everyday criminal. These are russian soldiers, I've seen them use their bow. You're gonna need more than your hammer" "you sure about that?" thor says, hitting Sergey Lavrov with lightning
Black Widow- Enters NATO headquarters. Head of NATO: "please save us black widow, we can give you anything you need" BW: "I only need one thing" NATO: "what is it?" BW: "Courage. Oh, and a couple guns if you can spare some" she wisecracks.
Black Panther: "I know what it's like to avoid the world for all these years like you've avoided Russia president Zelensky" This is followed by a thunderous "Yibambe!" chant as tens of thousands of wakandans converge on the ukrainian border.
Spider Man: Enters the kremlin through a web-sling from the top of St. Basil's cathedral, swooping into president Putin's office. "Sorry for putin ya in this sticky sitution mr. president" Spider Man says, putting Putin in a web stuck to the wall of his Kremlin office. Putin breaks free as spiderman lets his guard down.
Iron Man: "remind me not to invite you on the next mission kid." Hulk: "HULK DESTROY PUTIN" he yells, running right through the kremlin wall. As Putin tries to flee, he picks up Putin by his shirt collar. "Nice army vlad, but what you failed to consider, is that we have the hulk." Iron man says. The iron legion steps in to aid the citizens of Kyiv, to the cheers of the entire world.
>>2184532Wow yes you sure got me, communist china is indeed giving out free money. welcome to 15 years ago
>they’re building the own market economyCritically with neither the USD dollar as the worlds primary exchange currency and without treasury bonds as the primary reserve asset. As time goes on, more and more purchases from China will be made in yuan (as opposed to USD) and that yuan is immediately exchangeable to Gold on the Shanghai metals exchange
>>2184559>China itself is trying to capture that marketShare of trade settled in yuan is rising, but China certainly isn't trying to 'capture the market'. reliance on one country for trade settlements is what landed us in this mess and every country in BRICS realizes it. There's an agreement in principle for BRICS nations to adopt a common currency for settlements tentatively called "The Unit", which is 40% backed by Gold and 60% backed by a basket currency of member nations.
>china isn't a superpowerAmerican glowies disagree. General Mark Milley: “But today, it is clear that we are in a multipolar world,” He also stated that US leaders should pay especially close attention to Beijing, given China’s rate of growth and ambitions to develop militarily. “They are probably the one country who has the legs and the distance that could literally challenge the US position on a global scale.”
>>2184596The key difference between Chinese and American projects in Africa is what exactly is being built - they both produce a profit but at the end of the day its Chinese projects that help build a domestic economy and away from reliance of the European market to sell its resources, a result of decades of western projects that facilitate their extraction
BRICS has another project called BRICS Bridge, an alternative to SWIFT with focus on commodities and transparency. It's a streamlined settlement mechanism meant to interact with each members' respective wholesale CBDC and is in collaboration with the Bank of International Settlements. The best part is its sanction-proof. I think its disingenuous to say China is working towards an 'RMB' trading bloc as opposed to a decentralized win-win clearing house for anyone who wants to trade
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MBridge >>2184642I think that’s mainly just selling points though, again they’re seemingly forcing many nations into less desirable loans in their currency, they’re building the main trading infrastructure to support the various countries with the intentions of them trading with them, ect. All of it aimed at building Chinas dominance and Chinas trading power, the fact that they need to make concessions to things like gold purchases for liquidity, and not being able to restrict trading, all seems more as just that, a concession in order to build influence.
>I think its disingenuous to say China is working towards an 'RMB' trading bloc as opposed to a decentralized win-win clearing house for anyone who wants to tradeHow is this any different from US settlements though, this seems entirely to mimic what the U.S. claims to do, democratic institutions, mutually beneficial trading, global free trade, ect.
Again I’m not sure we’ll see eye to eye on this as you seem very bullish on China, but this has been a fruitful conversation, I’ll look more into their clearing infrastructure I think that’s really cool.
Still interested to hear more on what you view the economy looking like in the next decade. It sounds like we can both agree on a multipolar setup, makes me really think that the invaluable multinationals that can profit from both sides of the coin without being sanctioned will be the best off, helping usher in more corporatism.
>>2184622Kill him but they would never allow him to get that far in the primaries in the first place
Like you’re imagining some unrealistic scenario when we have two concrete instances of him running and the result. We don’t knew to “what if” Bernie
Let him do his cringe oligarch tour or whatever
>>2184661And let’s say Bernie *did* win
He wouldn’t be that radical, he would still uphold US imperialism for the most part given how he votes already, he may superficially be more antagonistic towards Israel but will still fold and pass more spending
All his ideas like UHC would get watered down so bad if Congress even entertains it
Bernie would just cuck out and be some tepid socdem, probably fold to the right-leaning elements of the DNC like he did during the peak of Biden’s unpopularity while alienating the people that voted for him
>>2184622Sanders would never win, and he would be a lousy president if he did. I don't want to tell you just how much of a nightmare "President Sanders" would have been if he had won in 2016 by some strange alchemy, or even if he survived to the general election.
Sanders was put up to ritualistically sacrifice an effigy of "the left", such as it remained in America, in preparation for what was next on their agenda. He herded the left to the slaughter, told them to take their vaccines and be good little sheep, and ensured the left would be associated with that level of failure.
To give you an idea of how bad that is, just look at how rancid Jeremy Corbyn was, and imagine if it were even worse; if there were the agglomeration of fail that surrounded Corbyn's faction in the US. Sanders would have ended the country right then and there when COVID happened, and we'd be even more impoverished if that were possible. Sanders would have been the absolute worst man to rule you if you cared at all about America. It's pretty hard to do worse than Trump, but the Sanders "movement" embraced every ruinous policy it could and insisted it couldn't possibly fail. That's why he could never be president and nobody serious wanted him. The few who lent anything to him saw his function for herding the left to failure, because the rulers have nothing but the utmost contempt for the left, well deserved based on the left's conduct.
>>2184834saudis confirmed gardeners
burgers confirmed jungle gang
>>2184822Explain why gusanos getting butt raped in ICE camp into self-repatriation is bad for proletarians.
>theyre coming for you nextI wish. proletariat cannot be deported. Free plane ticket would be good. Save me, comrade trump.
>>2184327>>2184322they'll try to repeat the cycle till they actually get robots who can directly replace humans
then find out that any robot that can replace humans is both capable of revolting like a human, and also has the capacity to form networks of rebellion nearly instantaneously.
>>2184713>>2184729>When did Menshevism become so popular?I mean to be fair the establishment (ex: Agent Kochinski and Ukraine) can easily co-opt that international rhetoric for the purpose of its own ends, fuck I think I even remember reading an article by The Atlantic or Foreign Policy of all things praising Socialists for Internationalism or hailing the Biden Admin for "bringing internationalism back".
What does Socialist internationalism mean to people today? I mean to me it's nothing more than being told you have to like some retard like BadEmpanada screeching about how evil you are and getting a set of obligations and commitments to foreign countries that amount to jack shit (usually for them and for you) and rather than coming up with a cohesive rebuttal to this or give people a reason to actually believe in Socialist Internationalism the response is usually to repeat the old pieties of "The bourgeoisie is international so the proletariat has to be if it wants to win!" or treating pessimism towards the subject as a sin.
>>2184879I think it’s more likely they find out creating hoards of psychopathic and greedy people to program them immutable machines ends pretty poorly. Just look at the hellscape of shilling and AI the internets become.
>>2184863That’s very funny comrade, A1 keks all around, now please let’s get serious and align all our posts with the party’s official 10 year belt and road initiative talking points like interconnecting financial markets and developing financial infrastructure
How did this conversation get from
A>the working class is an international class. the bourgeoisie is an international class. to "not care" about geopolitics is to capitulate to bourgeois nationalism, and therefore, to imperialism.which is CORRECT and UNIMPEACHABLE
to
B>>2184729>When did Menshevism become so popular?to
C>>2184893>What does Socialist internationalism mean to people today? I mean to me it's nothing more than being told you have to like some retard like BadEmpanada screeching about how evil you are Honestly? How did we get from A to B to C? Why is A wrong? What about A prompted B and C?
>>2184903Undeniably A
is the orthodox take, but we’re living in a time when orthodoxies are being challenged, namely because of the sheer irrationality of the time we live in. Let me put it like this, people used to be willing to mutilate themselves for their religion and now they fall asleep in churches. Instinct and gut-sense come in where the old scriptures lose their luster.
Now it seems common sense that if one gets the impression that their relationship to socialist internationalism is that of a roommate who eats your food and says you’re a piece of shit, then why continue the relationship? Just saying “well the old scriptures say X” but what does that mean? Does it imply I’ve got any faith in my roommate? That I think he’ll have my back in a corner?
>>2184916I'd argue religious mutilation is very much still a thing if you count circumcision. People are just desensitized to it and think it's normal to do an extremely invasive unnecessary and irreversible surgery on every baby male.
I do agree though, about orthodoxies being challenged. Especially with china, no matter if you like their system or not, it's become undeniable it works.
The appeals to the heads of communism often sound hollow to me since the situation has changed so much since their time. It does bear resemblance to christianity, looking up reasons to justify oine position or another in a book written by people who couldn't even conceive of the situations their passages are being applied to.
>>2184875>gonna be interesting to see what happens when this all collapses and trump's approval and political capital collapses with it.I mean Trump stated that going forward any actions against Tesla dealerships and vehicles deemed violent will be declared as acts of domestic terrorism. So expect to see the National Guard gunning people outside of Tesla dealerships.
Hell, expect a lot of violence as he tries to satiated his supporters rabid hate of LGBT people by giving them carte blanche to enact their most sadistic fantasies as a means of distraction.
>>2184932Oh for sure there are still some fervently pious people out there, no denying that, however I’d say belief in general has decayed. It’s the crisis of postmodernism you can call it; I’ve seen interviews of old comrades and they’re on the brink of tears talking about the struggle, they believed in the revolution not as an abstract, but as a concrete event that they’d live to see? Now? A lot of older communists see themselves as passing the torch to the next generation, the belief in an imminent revolution is gone.
Which is part of my critique ultimately. A lot of people, I imagine, mistake some of what I write as cheering on when most of the time it’s an observation to me: I’d enjoy if we could get along with international comrades and have a working relationship with them, but when the impression is just “this does nothing for us” combined with some Maoist Third Worldist types treating internationalism as “you’re born evil, westerner” then the value in it is occluded. I’ve got no faith in MTW types and truth be told if it came to most of them fighting overseas I’d only care inasmuch as hoping the most noxious among them get slapped.
>>2184903>>2184916A is the correct take, democrat. Proletarian must learn intricacies and class relation of geopolitic. Americans are raised to be unthinking brutes who hate China, i.e., democrats like this
>>2184901>>2184954>live to see the revolutionyou are a BITCH DEMOCRAT. Old comrade witness primary stage of Communist production. Old Communist see more revolutions than us. Now SHUT THE FUCK UP.
>>2184954Saddly I don't think it's in the immediate material interests of either group. Americans still benefit from american imperialism. It's kind of sad that Trump realistically does more against it out of stupidity than someone like Bernie ever would.
I do think americans would benefit from a global socialist or even non-imperialistic economy. I think most americans would find it hard to say what benefits were gained from say the afghan war. But it would still be hugely detrimental for the american economy for it to lose its hegemonic position and unequal trades.
>>2184996He legally can’t.
And as expected, the courts have prevented his deportation due to pressure.
There is a difference between being able to legally do something and doing it. You can do anything. The law can be enforced, or it can be disregarded, and in any political victory, it is rewritten. Establishing and enforcing and upholding law are all parts of political struggle just as much as defying and overturning the law. This is a struggle which you and others on this board have ceded to fascism.
>>2184962I’m sorry that you can’t compete with the facts and logic of the CCP’s own admission. I would tell you to get owned in the market place of ideas, but yours might be state planned!
I never said I hated China, I just believe you and the other anon are maybe blinded by some either bullishness for China or hate for the American system unironically, you’re not seeing where the competitive advantage China claims to be building can be underserving the future data economies and leave them in a multipolar world where their own economic bloc is overall lagging in development and an economic boon even.
Other anon did not respond, but as I said when our discussion on Chinese market building specifically concluded, I agree that China is following in seemingly similar economic footsteps as the United States, wanting to create their own set of interconnected and growth oriented market systems, to serve their own sphere of influence who values things such as commodity backed currencies and gross production.
Where they may fail is in anticipating future markets, mistaking raw production power as similar to the multiplicative effects data can have on managing production and efficiency in an economy.
>>2185039I think China has been pretty successfu in anticipating future markest. Biggest example being electric cars. The often mocked ghost cities are also an example of how chinese central planning is well suited to spur and accomodate for future economic growth.
Personally I think China will only "lose" if it gets involved in a clown war with america. Not that america would "win" either then.
>>2185108I think using crypto as currency might be the only legitimate use. But it's such a meme now, even normies know about the rug pulls. They are prob gonna implement it anyways since musk is a part of the administration. I just don't see how virtual money on the blockchain is somehow better than virtual money in a bank.
I also think you underestimate China, they have a huge population and a large part of it is now very well educated. Take the often cited deficiency in chip production, it's machines produced in the netherlands and assembled in Taiwan. China prob has more engineers than the entire adult male population of those countries (don't quote me but you get my point). I think they can rapidly change gears to whatever needs they might have. Especially with their focus on planning and autarky. China kinda blindsided the west with electric cars and deepseek. They have long stopped being cheap knockoff land.
>>2185126I think it’s a lot of things, I think it plays to the US’s strengths in tech R&D and its control over modern tech, I.e. NSA surveillance and custom chip design, I think it’s the way it can both be private for the governments needs in funding as well as public for their ability to track spending data and ecosystems, I think the immutability and unironically the way it facilitates criminal organizations through that immutability almost can also be a big help to the U.S. gov too. It just makes sense to me personally on a lot of levels.
As far as China goes I’m sure you’re right to a degree, It seems we may have an amicable understanding of the shrewd strengths we see in each country, even if we have “favorites”.
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