/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

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The revolution will happen when the working class is mobilized to do it. No individual or group of people can make revolution out of thin air. The duty of the communists, as per the Manifesto, is to damage control and ameliorate the conditions for the working class while a revolution doesn't come.

the first issue is thst there is no revolutionary program
people mock theorists, but they are right - what does a revolution even look like? its certsinly not smashing windows and looting supermarkets. thats a tantrum, not a revolution.

>>2184905
Sounds like a manifesto for armchairism.

Also, yeah I can imagine the working class reaction when a bunch of newspaper sellers suddenly say 'thanks for rising up guys but we'll take it from here. Our qualifications? Well we read a lot of books!'

Anon, your idea is an old one, and it fails to address a problem present in most mass demonstrations with government dissatisfaction. This problem is specificity.

Even if socialists were in an ideal situation where the resources to organize class anger, there’s still the problem of figuring out where to direct all that emotion. After all, Marx was an idealist and openly recognized that a successful revolution is a clearly organized one.

Petitions and complaints filed in mass are verifiably a lot more effective than mass demonstrations just off the fact that the demands of the proletariat are voiced much better in the former than the latter. Petitions and complaints that are used alongside mass protests create the perfect conditions for successful revolutions. Look at what happened in Serbia to see a good example or the Nigerian august riots.

Part of what made the Bolshevik revolt so successful and the Paris commune’s formation a guarantee was the presence of a clear and practical ideology to accompany the force available to the socialists. Without one, organizing anything wouldn’t be possible.

>>2184961
i just think having struggle session over highly contentious topic would be more interesting than feeding into his democrat imperialist thought. I tire of democrat sinophobia.

>>2184965
Sorry
Marx was a materialist

>>2184979
you are imperialist. good racist meme.

>>2184965
marge so your saying you just have to have a cohesive ideology among a large amount of people/protesters?

>>2184984
have zoomers learned to speak or do they just repost le funny memes they saw on reddit

>>2184986
its a bot

>>2184983
Yeah

>>2185027
Can’t read below award

>>2184896
>most are just bystanders who are waiting for someone else to act
this is true, but have you also considered that when someone does act (eg. luigi), then every single ML-ist on this site calls it adventurism and romantacism and that we shouldn't do stuff like that?
not only are they waiting for someone else to act first, but when someone else does act, then they immediately condemn it rather than build on it

>>2185059
it was probably feds doing that or a vocal minority again I wasn’t using the site then but that’s disappointing

>>2185063
Am I crazy or has anyone else experienced how the same democrats who praise luigi as a working class hero also say china isnt communism and that hamas is suicidal jihadism. Uphold marxism-mad bomberism

Has any theory been written on this as a programmatic? Everyone says read theory but the deeper I go in my reading the more abstract things get. Is there anyone writing about actual, practical steps to working toward organizing for revolution?

>>2185079
https://we.riseup.net/assets/34206/downol.pdf
This book talks about being a rebel as a individual

>>2184937
You kinda have a point. Bolsheviks had the qualifications of being already well known politicians from a political party that took the opportunity to organize mass demonstrations during a failed war.

the proletariat is an international class
but revolutions take place in a national context
the bourgeoisie benefits from international class solidarity
but the proletariat is expected to have national loyalty
how to resolve these contradictions?

>>2184896
>many marxists say “when China and America go to war there will be a revolution”
sure, but what is usually meant with that is that objective conditions of social revolution will be present (a great crisis) but it doesn't mean that subjective conditions are present (party structure, readiness to establish actual dual power vs the imperialist state). so they're saying, for example, war with china is a necessary but not sufficient condition for socialist revolution

>>2185124
yes exactly. but the western left never actually did the nitty gritty organizational work the rsdlp did. after 2008 there should have been much more work done in that internationally but it wasn't and so we have to do a decade of organizational work in maybe 2 years if we want to be ready for the coming war

>>2184965
>there’s still the problem of figuring out where to direct all that emotion.
>Look at what happened in Serbia to see a good example
>Part of what made the Bolshevik revolt so successful and the Paris commune’s formation a guarantee was the presence of a clear and practical ideology to accompany the force available to the socialists
that's a bit misleading. lenin clearly says that the commune failed because it didn't go on versailles. soviets would have had the same fate had they not taken the state apparatus in petrograd. and serbian students for example have made one concrete organizational step (plenums on universities) which is historical as is, but it cannot disturb the state structure long term because of the autonomy of the university. so they've made a suggestion for citizens to organize into zbors (soviets). so of course if a revolut truly is popular it cannot have leaders and it tends to soviet-like organizing but we all see that that isn't sufficient. they're hardly going for the 'institutions' they've got to 'free' (RTS, BKC and SKC are the 'bigger' ones I know that are not universities or schools). they'll fail if they continue dilly-dalling but i don't think there are subjective forces in serbia that can take it to the next step :(

>>2185091
absolute "lifestylism" drivel, nothing about organizing, revolutionary strategy, community self defense, or mutual aid

>>2185091
I find it hilarious how anti-techology so much of the writing by crimethink is given they spread their message almost exclusively via the internet
anti-techology anarchists really are something

>>2185789
>>2185968
Seething bourgeoisiecucks

>>2185789
if you can’t even change your lifestyle how do you expect to change society

smart post

>>2184986
>Muh zoomers

Millennials claim there's no genpol.