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For real, dogs, I want to get into continental philosohpy but i don't know to where to start or even if it is worthy, can someone with more experience to give their honest view about the topic? What do you think about the whole continental tradition?

>>2189452
All you need to read on that list is Marx (except Grundisse), Gramsci's Prison notebooks, The Second Sex (but you skip it and read The Origins of the Family, Private Property and the State), Wretched of the Earth (if you haven't read Mao), and Reform or Revolution. The rest are unecessary but read them whenever you want.

Don't bother with Hegel, Kant, Debord, Deleuz, Guattari, Foucault, and especially Adorno.

continental as a concept is anglo coded, its just philosophy

>>2189452
Marx is definetely a given, but just remember to pace yourself- especially when it comes to Das Kapital.
If there anon's who can provide a reading supplement in understanding it, this would probably aid OP. Lord knows it's a headspin.

From the one's I've read/ in the process of reading
Franz Fanon- wretched of the earth is a damn good book, but somewhat outdated and limited in certain areas of its scope. While Fanon does a great job in pointing out how Settler Colonialism psychologically and politically effects its victims and participants and even offer critiques of nationalism as well as the need for a workers party- it is written in a time where the Peasant masses were still a main part of the population- not exactly relevant to today in settler colonies such as Australia, Canada or even parts of the USA. A lot has also evolved since the books publications- with certain "decolonial governments" and Marxist-Leninist states either being dismantled or have their ruling bodies abandon Communist thought as a whole.

>Fredrick Engels origin of the family and state

Outdated in a good chunk of anthropological circles, and is probably his second most poorly aged work. If you want to read some top tier Engels- look into Socialism, Utopian and Scientific.

>Society of the Spectacle

A damn fine read, in so far that it can used as a nice follow up to Gramsci's study of "cultural hegemony". And I say this as someone who takes their que from someone who Debord fucking hated- which brings me to my next book

>The Murray Bookchin Reader

Not much to say but a good overall introduction and summary in Bookchin's teachings of Social Ecology, Anthropology, and Communalism- honestly probably one of the more relevant texts of the 21st century- in so far that Bookchin very well knew the danger of the current climate crisis, the psychological impotence the state can inflict on its citizens, as well as just being a damn fine text to pile drive any schmuck who thinks Ted Kazinsky was some sort of visionary. Without a doubt, Bookchin's ideas have garnered a steady and ever growing international following from Europe to the Middle East and especially in America.

However, I'd go a step further and say that if you want some prime Bookchin- I'd thoroughly recommend reading "Urbanisation without Cities: The Rise and decline of citizenship". Also- in general any of the books in the communalist library.

https://communalistlibrary.carrd.co/

>Blackshirts and Reds

Some would say this book has some problems regarding historical sources or even "making excuses" for the excesses of the Red-Terror. I say this book is probably one of the most important for any Socialist to dabble in- that being said, you're better off listening to a lot of Michael Parenti's lectures.

Has some of what Partenti said aged well? No. Are there mistakes he made in the rhetoric of "they had no other choice but to do x, y and z" a somewhat valid critique, but even he doesn't sugar coat what went wrong- it's interesting that you do have Stalin dickriders like this book, despite the fact that Parenti dedicates a segment of this text to dunking on Stalin.

Parenti is probably one of the greatest orators, writers and thinkers to still be alive today.

>Reform or revolution

I'd argue that most people who call themselves Communist would already come to the same conclusions that this book has made without even reading it. A solid text that crystalises a revolutionary analysis and conclusion and makes the solid argument that Social Democracy can only take you so far.

As for the rest- I can't exactly say I've read them, but I've heard both positive and negative aspects of Deleuze/Guattari and Adorno- though I'd take them with a grain of salt. From what I've ascertained from Adorno- he's not exactly saying anything new that either Gramsci or Debord have put down.

Also NGL, I'm not brave enough to get my brain wrapped around in Hegelian dialectics- in what I know he seems to argue that it's ideas that shape history not material conditions/ class struggle. I'll stick with Dialectic Materialism/ Naturalism thank you.

None of this shit has anything to do with communism, lol. If you want to do it for fun, then sure.

>>2189465
>Gramsci
>Mao
Just as obfuscating as the names you dropped at the end, lmao.

>>2189452
Start with the greeks

>>2189629
I say many people saying that continental philosophy has many insighftul stuff to give to the socialist cause.

>>2189630
Guaranteed you haven't even read Marx

>>2189452
>continental philosohpy
>continental
It's just philosophy, Burger.

>>2189653
>>2189470
>its just philosophy
dunno what you mean by this but if you are saying that the opposition of continental is not really philosophy then yes

>>2189452
continental philosophy basically means hegels response to kant and everything after that, and analytical or british or anglo philosophy is basically like when a liberal says they have no ideology because they support the status quo, with the assumption that it is correct and rational and good and natural. analytics pretend that they reject metaphysics and ontology to focus on epistemology while actually asserting an implicit metaphysical ontology. basically its when you stick your fingers in your ears and say lalala i cant hear you to hegel because if you actually had to wrestle with hegels ideas you would figure out that marxism is actually correct and the peak of human thought.

is it worth reading though? depends how much you care about knowing theory i guess. i dont think you have to understand dialectical materialism to organize a union or join a party - but to lead one its kinda important.

>>2189452
>CONTINENTAL PHILOSOPHY IS EVEN WORTHY?
Not really. Its mostly just idealist world salad that has very little to do with material reality.

>>2189755
>dunno what you mean by this
It's prefixed by 'continental' by burgers to discredit it and claim that their autistic obsession with formal logic is REAL PHILOSOPHY and actually SUPER IMPORTANT. Their shared seething for 'continental' philosophy and burgerbux is the only thing that keeps that shit alive.
Saying 'continental philosophy' is retard shit for retarted burgers and the autistic spawn of the West European booj who grow up to be reddit addicts.

>>2190199
It's sincerely retarded in that it wants to stop philosophy in time at about 100 years ago and throw most-everything since into the bin under the label of it being 'continental'.
They also like to view and position themselves farcically as close to a hard science.

Bumperino

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Philosophy is a yakubian project designed to paralyze the body by distracting the mind.


You can always tell someone is lying about reading theory if they list the Grundrisse as essential reading. No 1844 Manuscripts either.

>>2190421
good meme
philosophy ends with hegel and his deconstruction of logical identity - this is also why nietzsche becomes the first anti-philosopher. now we have science.

>>2189452
Just skip all of these useless books and read Max Stirner; everyone knows that he completed the dialectical process anyway and BUCK BROKEN Hegal's idealism

>>2189452
Gramsci, for some reason, is not as popular as he should be, but he should be #2 behind Marx for any communist or revolutionary.

If Marx was the master of describing Capitalism, Gramsci offers a pathway towards revolution.


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