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I’m kind of surprised by the lack of talk about this idea, but this idea has been obvious to me for a while now.

You know how the widespread availability of industrial tech legitimized the capitalist led decentralization of society and politics? Well this company and others similar to it (Katerpillar) have both contributed the most to making “each man a factory owner” in a sense. It’s pretty hard to imagine the point of centralizing industry in a socialist system when you can just reproduce the productive forces with productive forces.

In short, there just isn’t enough of an incentive to centralize the use of industrial machinery if that machinery is self reproducing past getting rid of the capitalist class.

It’s not really that efficient (in terms of maximizing output and minimizing logistical headaches) to try to cram a bunch of people into an integrated mill or factory compared to just giving a bunch of people factory equipment and have them make whatever you need wherever the fuck those items are needed. Helps make deliveries quick and easier for everyone.

This isn’t just a loose idea either. Part of why Soviet industry was lagging by the second half of the Cold War was mainly over logitistical restraints. The soviets were slow to adapt the car and build enough industry outside of mainland Russia to keep logistics strong. these restraints were reflected pretty well with the inequality between mainland Russia and the rest of the states. It didn’t take long after a few shocks for shit to go bad.

Any objections?

>>2190781
most industrial equipment has to be custom ordered from companies for $10k+ not just shit you can buy at home depot, maybe some stuff can be done by cottage industry but that would be done by someone who's a very experienced machinist and the unit costs wouldn't be competitive

>>2190788
Im not American. I doubt that the price is that comically high everywhere else man

>>2190789
its still high everywhere if its literal industrial machinery

Have you ever actually worked in either manufacturing or associated industries? There are many, many advantages to centralizing production, storage, maintenance etc. that would become blindingly obvious if you had any experience with industrial processes. Let's go through some advantages:
- Easy access to required materials/components
- Alot of expertise around you incase you require assistance with a task
- Specialized cleaning facilities
- Specialized safety equipment built into the facility
- Isolation of dangerous industrial waste away from residential areas
- Dedicated space for large industrial machinery and the tools for basic maintenance
- Dedicated emergency response equipment on site
- Appropriate power supply for electric and pneumatic tools

>>2190781
home despot is literally just rent seekers. every suburban petty booj i know who owns their own tree work business or some shit ends up making prole wages because they gotta rent shit from home despot all the fucking time. meanwhile office drones working entry level data jobs take home more pay than them, without having to ruin their bodies and drive everywhere. this is not good.

>>2190820
Yeah. All that shit is also expensive and not easy to maintain across spaces the size of entire countries. Not everyone can afford that stuff.
>>2190822
Preferable to total unemployment

>>2190823
>Preferable to total unemployment
unemployment is built into capitalism and its cyclical crises. that some people are "self employed" while having to pay constant rent on means of production they don't really own makes them indirect employees of home despot with none of the benefits

>>2190824
Right, and is Home Depot somehow responsible for some guy not having a job despite doing nothing to restrict that guy from owning or renting equipment to employ themselves?

Shouldn’t you redirect your anger towards landlords and politicians that actually make full employment difficult by not building the infrastructure necessary to gather labour at a territories periphery? After all, even the soviets took a few years of building and mobilization before everyone past central Russia could be considered employed and even then that employment wasn’t always stable.

>>2190940
>Right, and is Home Depot somehow responsible for some guy not having a job despite doing nothing to restrict that guy from owning or renting equipment to employ themselves?
unemployment is a systemic problem under capitalism. I never implied home depot is responsible for unemployment. I implied the exploit the "self employed" sole proprietor by renting them means of production that they cannot own. It is like being a landlord, but for tools, instead of for shelter. They are rentiers.
>Shouldn’t you redirect your anger towards landlords and politicians that actually make full employment difficult
My anger is directed at landlords and politicians. It is also directed at capitalists. Mentioning that home depot is a capitalist firm that rents out means of production to sole proprietors who don't make that much money is not mutually exclusive with that.
>that actually make full employment difficult
full employment under capitalism is impossible, not merely difficult, because partial unemployment, and a reserve army of labor, are built into the system itself. Full employment would mean everyone could go on strike and it would be very hard for capitalists to fire those people and get replacements. so there needs to be a reserve army of labor to counterbalance worker organizing. Bourgeois governments have always opposed full employment. After WW2 the USSR proposed in an international economic panel to make full employment of all able bodied adults international law and the US and UK struck it down.
>even the soviets took a few years of building and mobilization before everyone past central Russia could be considered employed and even then that employment wasn’t always stable.
there's a difference between rapid industrial development in a semi-feudal country and a fully developed capitalist country in the imperial core. Unemployment is a feature here, not a bug.

>>2190781
>>>/USApol/

>>2190807
It’s literally the opposite

>>2191057
I’m not you man. Where I live, most people can just buy and own whatever tools Home Depot sells. Land here is cheap too. I’m not sure how the hell you end up with a “you cannot even own your own workshop” situation. But I’ll trust your word on American home depot’s issues.

Otherwise, I don’t see how companies similar to Home Depot somehow systemically contribute to proletarianization when they both allow and support renting and ownership over industrial tech.


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