/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Interesting

These are all dated from the early 60s though, well after the rebellion. Previously declassified CIA documents relating to Hungary stated precisely the opposite: that they had no Hungarian assets, only one Hungarian speaking agent, and didn't consider Hungary a viable target for operation REDSOX in October 1956 (mostly because the AVH were extremely effective and all efforts at infiltration failed). They actually considered Hungary the toughest nut of the Warsaw Pact and were taken aback by the unrest. Of course the uprising was still a counterrevolutuonary one and deserved to be suppressed, but there isn't much evidence that it was actually instigated by the CIA. Iirc MI6 had more luck in Hungary, but even they only managed to get a few agents into the country and most of them once again got got by the AVH.

>>2193311
CIA membership applies retroactively because spooks function on acausal dimensions. They simply recruited him from the future and sent him back to 1956 to stage a revolt

>>2193311
>>2193304
Here's the link to the CIA docs I'm referring to if anybody is interested.
https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB206/index.htm#docs

TLDR: The CIA tried and failed to infiltrate Hungary during the late 40s and early 50s, and had been repeatedly foiled. By 1956 they had given up on the country and directed their efforts elsewhere, and the whole thing was over before they could even set up a proper informant network. Remember that the entire incident only lasted 12 days.

That being said, the uprising was 100% hurtling towards reaction and Khrsuchev was entirely justified in a military intervention to restore order and preserve socialism.

>>2193314
yea that guy just happened to later join the CIA with no prior context or contact or history. fucking retard.

>>2193320
A lot of White Russians became CIA assets later on, that doesn't mean they were working for US intelligence when they were shooting at Reds in the Russian Civil War. Anti-communist exiles are prime targets for CIA recruitment for obvious reasons.

>>2193311
>These are all dated from the early 60s though, well after the rebellion. Previously declassified CIA documents relating to Hungary stated precisely the opposite: that they had no Hungarian assets, only one Hungarian speaking agent, and didn't consider Hungary a viable target for operation REDSOX in October 1956 (mostly because the AVH were extremely effective and all efforts at infiltration failed). They actually considered Hungary the toughest nut of the Warsaw Pact and were taken aback by the unrest. Of course the uprising was still a counterrevolutuonary one and deserved to be suppressed, but there isn't much evidence that it was actually instigated by the CIA. Iirc MI6 had more luck in Hungary, but even they only managed to get a few agents into the country and most of them once again got got by the AVH.

The "Hungarian Freedom Fighters Federation" referred here is the organization created in the USA by 1956 figures in exile, chiefly among them Kiraly, which still exists and which was (is?) definitely sponsored by the CIA. The CIA also calls "Hungarian Freedom Fighters Federation" the MSZHSZ, one of the Communist mass org created post-45. For example in this 1953 doc
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP82-00046R000200350006-5.pdf

Kiraly was in the hospital straight from prison in October 1956. This doesn't mean they didn't sponsor the events themselves at the time. Now they released it because they don't give a fuck anymore, they have bigger fish to fry now. The only thing they give a fuck about is cleaning up Israel's name. These are all coming from the JFK files. The faux-left lib-left - lets call them LIBERALS, this is what they objectively are (and therefore, useful idiots to the feds) - have been crying about tankies and "Soviet imperialism" for decades.

君子报仇，十年未晚
A gentleman's revenge, 10 years is not too late.

We knew since the 90s but it’s nice to be right. It's confused on purpose. Yes, the CIA was involved. Yes, the MI6 was involved, and so was Mossad. These aren't separate entities, it's the "intelligence community", if you remember Schumer's death threat for Trump if he so dared to doge the great satan. Israel played the game well. To con both America and the Soviet Union while going to war against the entire Middle East and not being destroyed in the process makes no sense yet here we are.

>>2193304
Are you dumb uyghur with low I-Q, did you even read what you actually said? Are you that retarded?

>>2193337
That's the bit I copied from Wikipedia, the propaganda website for psyopping useless idiots like you

>>2193336
>if you remember Schumer's death threat for Trump if he so dared to doge the great satan
You're really still trying to do the "Donald Trump is a based anti-imperialist" bit?

>>2193339
Paranoid uyghur, extrapolating stuff from reality so it can fit your imaginary world of spooks and shadow.

>>2193341
Where did I do the "Donald Trump is a based anti-imperialist" bit?

>>2193345
Communists have been saying this for decades, and they have been vindicated on everything

>>2193336
>This doesn't mean they didn't sponsor the events themselves at the time.
Except they didn't as per their own documents which have already been released for years and which I already posted ITT. Hungary had been a fascist state just 11 years prior, and these elements were still very much present throughout Hungarian society. There is no reason to think that they couldn't have staged this on their own.
>Israel played the game well. To con both America and the Soviet Union while going to war against the entire Middle East and not being destroyed in the process makes no sense yet here we are.
The US and USSR were actually on the same side in the Suez Crisis, both backed Egypt against Israel, Britain, and France.

>>2193347
No color revolution is staged on it's own, you are correctly identifying that unrest can have an organic, grassroots popular base, but forgetting the intelligence community always co-opts it. It's not the first time they declassified carefully crafted, engineered documents to craft a narrative. Contradictory information is documented for cognitive warfare.

This timeline was not based enough for the rakosi-hoxha-mao anti-revisionist bloc unfortunately.

>>2193319
>That being said, the uprising was 100% hurtling towards reaction and Khrsuchev was entirely justified in a military intervention to restore soviet imperialism and strangle any chance for long-time socialism at birth.
ftfy

>>2193632
Honestly Anon that notion becomes increasingly ridiculous the more you investigate what was actually happening. I don't agree with everything Herbet Aptheker says about the uprisings, but he was entirely correct to call Imre Nagy "Kerensky in reverse". That is to say, he would make concessions to the right which further emboldened them, leading them to press for further concessions in a snowball effect. As time went on every new iteration of the provisional government had fewer and fewer communists and social democrats, more liberals and right wingers. By its last days in power Nagy had stopped mentioning socialism in his speeches entirely.

>>2193347
If CIA didn't recruit how about MI6?

>>2193641
how the political life in hungary would have been shaped is but a prediction
what it became is a reality

>>2193646
I mentioned them already. They had slightly more success but again only had a small handful of agents. Not nearly enough to cause what happened, which was the entire government collapsing literally overnight once a few students started demonstrating in Budapest. At the end of the day Rakosi was just immensely unpopular, even among socialists.
>>2193652
>how the political life in hungary would have been shaped is but a prediction
Yeah a prediction based on the evidence and existing trends.

>>2193655
how do you feel about the assessment that left-wing in every single former warsaw pact country would be doing immeasurably better if it wasn't tainted by soviet connotations (even if actually unrelated)

>>2193687
they would be doing just as poorly as the left wing in any western country except without even the support of soviet bloc nostalgic boomers

>>2193694
soviet bloc nostalgic boomers do not exist

>>2193555
>The four leaders who refused to sign Khrushchev's secret speech
It was a speech, not a petition, wtf is this about

>>2193304
Literal nothingburger

It only proves that an emigrant organization called "The Hungarian Freedom Fighters, Inc." was CIA sponsored, not that 1956 coup was CIA organized, lol.

Király emigrated to the USA AFTER the coup failed. Idk if Király was one of the founders of this organization, or if it existed prior to his emigration. But his 1960s ties to CIA aren't proof of CIA's people being behind the 1956 counterrevolution. I hope you understand that.

>>2193336
>The CIA also calls "Hungarian Freedom Fighters Federation" the MSZHSZ, one of the Communist mass org created post-45.
That's because their name "Magyar Szabadságharcos Szövetség" literally means "Hungarian Freedom Fighters Association", lol

>>2204025
Get with the times, we blame everything on USAID now.

>>2204060
Lost your job huh?