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>>2195317 >>21978711. Explain why you think entertaining liberal notions of forming non-proletarian lib pander party (which must pander to class enemies as ultimate necessary condition for elekkktoral legitimacy) for votes is right despite fact that proletarian party rule is practical imposibillity according to material law of duopolitic, by design of bourgeois State mechanisms
2. Explain why you equivacate the Marxist-Leninist position of recognizing social and historical necessity of inevitible downfall of bidenomiKKK mode of production and tactically combating the bourgeois' United Front To Preserve and Reinstate Conditions of BidenomiKKK with voting for duopolitic party absent of conscious dialectical understanding toward undermining bourgeois rule
>>2198078nechayev was a lib
>>2198086>>2198025mods, can we wordfilter "houdini" to "grifter"?
The democrats, the ones who policed the left, the ones who smothered the communist movement, the ones who safeguard the liberal world order within the comforts of the imperial core, have now fallen into disarray. They shall soon bear witness to their final descent into oblivion.
They will try to pivot and grift. They will attempt to create a new party, and be reborn like a phoenix. These efforts will fail, and their only fate is to be destroyed entirely. Do not let them worm out of their predicament, and deny yourselves an opportunity. The global plague that is liberalism, that is capitalism, can only be ended permanently by your hands. Though they may destroy themselves, only you can seal the deal. Do not falter, and things will get better.
>>2198032Do Euros really?
They’ve always been this way especially the ruling class
>>2198234>Do Euros really? A bourgeois nation is always looking to gain.
>They’ve always been this way especially the ruling classThe euros didn’t care because they’re brutal themselves, and had much profit to gain from American activities
>>2198246>Europe if an have always been the head of the snake and America merely their attack patsoc cope
> Red Shields are in a panic because their proxies in the States are getting pruned by the Trump administrationunironic Trump bootlicking; weren't you the same loser last week who refused to say Rotschilds instead of Redshields because you thought leftypol would ban you for typing their name out?
> America is now another Russia to the Atlanticists and will be regarded with similar hostilitydelusional
my god, it's no longer proletariat vs bourgeoisie on here but multipolar bourgeoisie vs. golden billion atlanticists"
>>2198258> the mods are very quick to ban any anti Zionism that's literally the same bullshit you said last time. I even posted a screenshot of it. Are you an LLM incapable of reading images? someone even responded to you last time that we have a thread called "Palestine vs. the Zionist entity" that gets filled regularly. How can you possibly say that criticizing zionism isn't allowed on here? Everyone does it. In fact you'll get banned if you're an Israeli bootlicker, which is a good thing.
>opposing Zionism and usury means ur le HITLER!litearlly making up shit I didn't say. Also the post number is crossed out because I corrected a typo and reposted it. The fact that you respond so fast makes me think you're an LLM. You post the same schizobabble about redshields and about how mods ban you for opposing zionism every time. LLM schizobabble type shit. Just repetition of the same tired points with mild programmatic variation and an inability to counterargue, plus constant strawmanning? If you're not an LLM you might as well be.
>>2198348he's right
MAGA should have stuck with steve bannon
>>2198390not really though? but I suppose it doesn't matter anymore. soon they'll start framing leftoids for crimes with AI and the judges will treat it as real evidence while rightoids will leak every single bit of nasty shit they do and say and it'll all get written off as "AI hoax" by the same judges.
It doesn't matter anymore
it was over in 1991
>>2198531haven't yemen suffered enough already?
may the burgerreich troops fall by the dozen to yemeni bullets
>>2198542The bad news is them being stupid makes it far more likely they'll do some pointlessly destructive shit out of spite for no other purpose other than owning the libs.
The good news is that it makes overthrowing them a lot easier
>>2198547>massacre innocentsLibs sleep.
>accidentally leaked it beforehandRealest shit ever.
>>2198558>>2198555I don't know much about them other than they had a book store/library in my city. I always just thought of them as a rich White person religion like Christian Science.
Their magic must work because you'll never see one of those in a poor neighborhood. Lol they're right around the corner from each other even.
>>2198574It's basically just New Age woohoo but for people who are either slightly more racist or slightly more elitist or some combination thereof. Kinda like how Wicca is the "respectable" neopaganism
>>2198575Just the opposite, it is hope for a new dawn
>>2198559Like sonic said
>>2198589The country is being run into the ground cuz it’s looting. Even up to now the capitalists are struggling with profits and so instead they are looking for new ways to earn, one of those ways is the wholesale looting and gutting of the public institutions, basically neoliberalism turned inward.
>>2198617The question is about who is the power behind the throne and that absolutely isn't Musk no matter how many sycophants he has. The guy spends his days high on ketamine and seething about anti-boer memes from 30 years ago. He's a fucking idiot.
>Well he constantly convinces investors that they should throw their lot in with him and they do.That implies investors have any kind of intelligence. They don't. Silicon valley scams are everywhere because VC's are just rich kids throwing money at any project that can promise a financial return no matter how fraudulent.
>>2198626Hes gay gay? Not gay gay gay?
Pass
>>2198621Yeah I’ve noticed Dems try to fundraise out of state for a lot of Republican state races. I’m sure it’s normal in politics, but I’d figure you’d want to at least prove that enough people where you are like you enough to support your campaign. That said;
>>2198624The entire premise of social liberalism is that you owe these people your money, votes, everything by virtue of who they were born as. It’s not like they have anything to pitch you on because you fundamentally don’t deserve it, you need to just mindlessly support the gay black democrat to prove you’re a good person.
>>2198559>This has got to be pretty conclusive proof that all this shit with USAID, gutting the federal government, and pissing off NATO allies isn't part of some 4D chess strategy. The people behind this genuinely don't understand where does the US hegemonic power comes from, beyond having lots of military bases. They don't understand the global balance of payments. They don't understand soft power, or diplomacy. They genuinely, unironically think that USAID is some sort of scheme to sap money from the treasury. Their political perspective also doesn't move past might makes right, and think they can just shake down every US ally and hope the delicate scaffolding that maintains the US power structure will remain intact out of sheer might. They're, of course, right to the extent that they can doom the world to nuclear hellfire apocalypse, but they have essentially reduced the US historical outcomes to either painful, abject collapse or ending all life on earth. The going down silently like the UK did is not even on the table anymore.
>>2198671Bro what the fuck are you even talking about?
I wish we could trade you for a funny schizo like baboon poster.
>>2198642I've mentioned it a few times on here, but while running for governor of California, Upton Sinclair wrote a booklet: "I, Governor and How I Ended Poverty: A True Story of the Future", he created a political program known as End Poverty In California or "EPIC".
The basic premise of the program, which he'd hoped to achieve democratically if he'd won. The basic tenets of the program were:
>Have the State Government take over idled farms and factories during the depression and turn them into farming collectives and cooperative factories.>Unemployed workers would immediately be hired by said farms and factories>Said farms and factories would run on a basis of "Production For Use" instead of "Production For Profit">These farming colonies and factory co-ops would also run on the basis of barter and co-operation over money.>The State Government essentially managing/planning the economy.>End goal was to replace the flailing capitalist economy with socialismHere's a link to the plan, written in Sinclair's own words:
https://www.ssa.gov/history/epic.htmlSome fun quotes from it
<For two generations or more, the American people have been victimized b a propaganda which identifies Americanism with capitalism. For my part, I assert that these self-help and barter groups represent Americanism more truly than any other phenomenon of our time, They embody all our true pioneer virtues–self-reliance, initiative, frugality, equality, neighborliness. They are the most precious products of the depression; and what have we done with them? The answer is that we have done everything to handicap them, to humiliate them, to buy their leaders away from them, to corrupt and finally to exterminate them.
<"Progress versus reaction, public welfare against private greed–this is the issue in the present campaign. Not merely in California but all over the world lovers of humanity will wait for this verdict and will rejoice to hear that our Golden State has voted in favor of ending mass poverty. We know that the people are behind us, and we believe they will stay behind us. We are going forward upon a new road to build a new society by peaceful, orderly and Christian methods, and see to it that government of the people, by the people and for the people does not perish from California."Also ironically enough Father Coughlin loudly approved of the plan and met with him to discuss it.
>>2198724Sinclair had a lot of scaremongering arrayed against him when he ran for office. Though a lot of the political cartoons of him today are kind of esoteric.
The race itself was kind of close. It was split three ways with Frank Merriam (incumbent governor at the time) getting 48% of the vote, Sinclair got 37%, and a member of the Progressive Party by the name of Raymond L. Haight got almost 13%
Had it been a two way race, Sinclair might've won.
>>2198735They're saying this was almost certainly a crime to have such talks off the radar and on Signal.
Good indication Signal probably isn't broken though.
>>2198753if you've vooted, you get them,
if you've never vooted, you get even more of them
>>2198735I know you're being sarcastic or whatever but nobody gives a fuck about hypocrisy in politics. People get in because
1. They think it's a way to make money (Economy focused)
2. They think it'll make them look cool and they get to hang out with cool people (Society focused)
3. They are in it for policy wonk reasons (Mechanics focused)
Hypocrisy is only going to appeal to 3, which is like the least common reason why people get into politics.
>>2198771America needs to be purged more than any country in the history of the world.
When the left takes power (and it is a historical inevitability that we will, if you Waffentwerps ever get off your lazy asses) we are going to make Stalin look like Gandhi by comparison.
>>2198806Does it glow? Perhaps
But is it BASED? Also true
>>2198819Every accusation is a confession
>>2198821EVERY ACCUSATION IS A CONFESSION
>>2198821>>2198830Didn't it come out ages ago that another adviser of Trump drugged his wife to make BBC cuckolding porn of her?
Gonna be honest, I don't believe in that "Pink Swastika" stuff but I can't help but wonder if half the neuroses of reactionaries is because they've been driven insane by anxiety over their bizarre sexual orientations and so it manifests in the most gratuitous, almost pornographic form of politics. I think pornographic's the best way to describe it. It isn't about the ends, but about some dressed up and perverse means. The DNC correctly pointed out that military flights for undocumented immigrants was a wasteful and inefficient form of deportation (though I would argue the deportations in general are just horrific brutality that serves no purpose) but Trump plowed ahead with it anyways. It's that whole "The Cruelty is The Point" thing. It isn't enough to just arrest some poor working class migrant and dump him south of the border, you've got to let him know you personally hate him, too.
>>2198833the kernel of reactionary hatred in a majority of cases (not like 90%, but absolutely >50) is ressentiment towards the uninhibited; I was a good little Christian boy, I repressed my sexuality, I internalized the shame and guilt, how DARE you go about in public unashamed of your desires?!
this is also not to reinforce the tired trope of "every homophobe is gay", but you can fairly easily figure out for yourself the specific repressed desire any individual rightoid is grappling with, they don't tend to be very subtle about it, nor do they do a very deft job attempting to redirect the subject of their jealousy
>>2198835>>2198836Wasn't a ton of Der Sturmer's stuff just grotesque sexual fantasizing of Jews with Aryan women? To the point that even other Nazis were pretty unnerved and trying to tell the guy behind it to knock it off?
That said, I think trauma of all sorts can kind of encourage reactionary attitudes, not even just sexually. I mean in my case I think the worst and probably most frustratingly reactionary things I say is probably rooted in being hit, threatened, and silenced as a kid. I'm no psychologist, but if I had to guess, I'd presume the overeagerness of reactionaries to mow down peaceful protesters is probably rooted in an upbringing of terror and violence at home.
>>2198836It's a mix of misogyny, resentment and even eugeny
It's misogyny because hetero males get hateful and angry seeing their fellow ""men"" wanting to be ""lesser gender""" in their views
It's resentment because gay men are completely free from patriarchal expectations over how a man should behave, basically "how dare you be flamboyant, listen to feminine music and do feminine hobbies while I have to be miserable and force myself out of these things and even expressing feelings so I won't get my maleness and straightness questioned??? How dare you to be free???"
It's eugeny because gay men are perceived as """failed men"" for not conforming to patriarchal expectations of how a man should be and behave, and since they're """failed men""" they need to be hated, ridiculed, ostracized or even violently attacked
>>2198861>The content of the message is the problem?not the content exactly, but the way it is presented. but also yes, joe hick from alabama isn't going to listen to your excerpts from Capital.
get sick of hearing it if you want, I am right.
>The contradictions of capital are plain to see and easy to digest for every single workerYou are assuming the ordinary person is as intellegent and rational as you. They are not, and not even remotely close.
To them, brown people and queers are the most visible "threat" in the news media they consume, and they are constantly fed the message of focusing on minorities, culture wars, woke to the extent they don't question that anything besides woke is responsible for their material conditions.
>Distractions are coming at everyone every single second of every single day from every directionTrue
>Bread and circuses pacify the working classGenerally true… but only until material conditions degrade for the average worker to a certain level, at which point their anger, directed by media at the scapegoats takes a greater role. And the working class sure as shit aren't happy right now.
>>2198830>BBC posting irlPete Hegseth should've posted dick pics in the war chat.
>>2198850>It's resentment because gay men are completely free from patriarchal expectations over how a man should behave, basically "how dare you be flamboyant, listen to feminine music and do feminine hobbies while I have to be miserable and force myself out of these things and even expressing feelings so I won't get my maleness and straightness questioned??? This goes back to the manosphere stuff and the left not appealing to the fellas by telling them that they're entitled. Actually, if you're a heterosexual man, you're often told by other heterosexual men that you're weak, pathetic, and everything you get must be earned – ideally by ripping out the throats of other men and drinking their blood before robbing them blind to gain all their powers. It would be a lot easier to fix this shit if men grew up expecting things owed to them instead of being told how they must murder and steal and scrape and prove that their mere existence is worth something. By other men! You know, who are also telling them their lives are expendable and they must go join the Army, and eat some Afghan kid's heart to prove how manly they are.
But yeah, no big surprise that "you suck idiots fix yourselves" is less appealing than "actually you rule king, you're so awesome pimp, everyone else is wrong, here's the thing to do to make your life better."
>>2198877>This goes back to the manosphere stuff and the left not appealing to the fellas by telling them that they're entitled. Actually, if you're a heterosexual man, you're often told by other heterosexual men that you're weak, pathetic, and everything you get must be earned – ideally by ripping out the throats of other men and drinking their blood before robbing them blind to gain all their powers. It would be a lot easier to fix this shit if men grew up expecting things owed to them instead of being told how they must murder and steal and scrape and prove that their mere existence is worth something. By other men! You know, who are also telling them their lives are expendable and they must go join the Army, and eat some Afghan kid's heart to prove how manly they are.THE MASK OF MASCULINITY
IS THE MASK THAT'S WEARING ME
>>2198848If I can be kind of brutally honest for a moment, I do see that kind of rage in me and it
is something I've tried to work on. I told myself since I was a kid that I didn't want to end up acting like my dad.
But the rage is still there, and it still stays there. And I'd like to imagine in some ways it can be channeled, hopefully, into something positive, but it's still a kind of poison. To use an example that I hope can be illustrative of this mindset without immediately turning people on here off, I think I genuinely hate the Israelis. Yeah, not much of a shocker on here, but I don't think that hatred is entirely because of what they're doing (though it's still morally horrendous and evil) but in some sense it might be how I perceive them, too. When I see these Israeli settlers, these zionist thugs, these fucking blood-sucking
ghouls all I see is lanky, pale-faced little men. Ugly, pathetic looking. That fucking Boomer that worked for the Obama admin and threatened to call Egyptian secret police on some Halal food truck driver? He looks so fucking pathetic to me, physically I mean, and while I'd type out everything I'd love to do to the guy, I'm not interested in getting in trouble with the feds anytime soon.
And that's what boils my blood. Their utter fucking
weakness. Growing up, I was usually the tallest kid in my class. I'm a big dude. But my interests are pretty nerdy and I tried to be a rule follower; mostly because if I didn't I'd come home to some corporal punishment. Pain was a decent enough teacher for me, so I tried to avoid situations where I'd have it inflicted. But, and I don't know how, word would get around that I was kind of a pushover. So I'd be tripped up, heckled, laughed at, just all sorts of bullying. And if I ever tried to stand up for myself of push back, I'd hear from my teachers or parents or onlookers.
>"Hey, pick on someone your own size!"I'd be at fault, being the big kid. Didn't matter who started it, by virtue of the fact I was just bigger, I was the bad guy. I had to apologize and I had to be punished.
To me, physical weakness isn't something that needs "protecting", it means you can always rely on a bigger authority to let you get away with murder. I don't see Palestinians as weak, in fact I think they've proven themselves again and again to be tough bastards. But some of these settlers? The kids that are chanting "Kill the Arabs"? The 20-something lanky guys with those ugly-fucking curls by the sides of their head throwing rocks at Muslims and spitting on Churches? They're fucking weak. They're weak because they know that they've got
authority on their side, and that they can just push and poke the bear, knowing that if they so much as get a scratch they can run to the IDF and have hundreds of Arabs killed.
And this utter contempt for weakness, I think, kind of informs some of my politics. I remember getting into a pretty heated argument with someone back here ages ago about whether Communism means fighting for "the weakest in society" or not. And I heartily disagreed. The way I see it, the proletariat isn't weak, Elon Musk is weak, The Trump Family is weak, Patriot Front is weak, decrepit gerontocrats that tell food vendors they're gonna have secret police pluck their family's fingernails are weak. They've got a weakness that's only afforded to them by layers and layers of authority insulating them from the consequences of their own actions. Working class people, meanwhile, have to struggle and scrape to get by. They can't call in the state or their rich parents to save them if they fuck up. You take away that ability to call a private army from them at any time, and suddenly these people singing chants about how they're gonna murder all the arabs, or these old men sneering at vendors, these twiggy-little scumbags? They're all gonna be on their
best fucking behavior.
That, I think, is the root of my own particular neuroses. And I can't help but assume something similar affects some reactionaries too. It's why the whole "the enemy is strong and weak" thing works so well in fascist demagoguery.
>>2198877>This goes back to the manosphere stuff and the left not appealing to the fellas by telling them that they're entitled. Actually, if you're a heterosexual man, you're often told by other heterosexual men that you're weak, pathetic, and everything you get must be earned – ideally by ripping out the throats of other men and drinking their blood before robbing them blind to gain all their powers. It would be a lot easier to fix this shit if men grew up expecting things owed to them instead of being told how they must murder and steal and scrape and prove that their mere existence is worth something. By other men! You know, who are also telling them their lives are expendable and they must go join the Army, and eat some Afghan kid's heart to prove how manly they are.I really hate this kind of narrative. I swear it is mostly women who have tried to emasculate me throughout my life. In fact between friends, guys like making gay jokes all the time endearingly. I mean like joking about acting gay. Like if a guy wants to try and emasculate me, I'm gonna punch in the face. With a woman you obviously don't have that kind of leeway. I was always the short guy in the group, and it never really bothered me, and I don't think it ever created a problem with hanging out with tall guys or whatever, it was only when puberty hits and women start dunking on you for being short that it bothers you. No man has ever told me my hair is too long. It's only women who keep telling me I need to get a manlier haircut.
God fucking damn do I hate this patriarchy narrative shit. I already know everyone's response is going to be that men are responsible for all negative behavior displayed by women, because women lack all agency in life and whatever is wrong with them must originate from the original sin of a man.
>>2198867>The contradictions of capital are plain to see and easy to digest for every single worker.>This phrase doesn't even make sense in normal modern English.Sentence makes total sense.
>Point to me anywhere a normal person would use the phrase: The contradictions of XThe contradictions of your demoKKKrat thought are clear. You argue proletarian is ape, like yourself, too stupid to grasp basic concepts. You uphold bourgeois dictatorship by affirming that worker’s chains are forged by their own ignorance and not by material conditions.
>>2198856read this
>>2198849it's written specifically for the type of motherfucker you'd find at a basement hardcore show
>>2198898The posters on this board don't even understand what a "contradiction of capitalism.">>2198896
I'm trying to come up with terms that are close in meaning and in use in common parlance. So far I came up with:
"fatal flaw."
Maybe you guys can help out.
>>2198927i hate wikipedia so fucking much dude. wikipedia banned me for a year for "vandalism" because of a conversation I had on a TALK page. previously I had only created a couple of pages for left wing books about reconstruction. I was trying to point out that certain artificial sweeteners in diet sodas were carcinogenic, but only after they pass through the digestive system and produce formaldehyde. I had talked about the conflict of interest between the corporations that invented them and the FDA. I talked about how the reagan administration brought in donald rumsfeld to accelerate the approval after it had been deadlocked for 16 years. I provided citations at every single step. all of this was on a talk page. I was not being argumentative. I was not editing the page. I merely pointed out that a lot of this information was absent from the article and drafted a proposal for possibly adding it in the future. I followed all the rules. Some fucking artificial sweetener industry shill policing the article got my ass banned. we used to have a glowiepedia thread on here showing power mods and power editors who edit impossible numbers of articles per year. People who are obviously paid by imperial core intelligence agencies to be full time wikipedia police. the bitch of the thing is they even scrubbed the talk page after banning me so I had no evidence. it was fucked. You go to pages like "historicity of jesus" and the corresponding talk pages have shit flinging back and forth between atheists and theists for years because it is of little political consequence for capitalists or imperialists. but you say an artificial sweetener is carcinogenic and suddenly you're a "vandal" and industry shills ban you. the rules are absolutely enforced differently from one article to the next and you see hired freaks lay control of articles relevant to industrial monopoly interests or imperialist interests .
and then you have reactionaries like musk come out and say "actually wikipedia is commiepedia and we need to make it even more right wing"
FUCK
>>2198886>>2198933You were trying to counter the argument that most of the Indians we encounter online or IRL are right wing Modi supporters and your only argument was:
>Check out this hammer and sickle on an elephant.>Check out this one obscure thing you never heard of!Has never been an argument that can erase people's much more extensive experience, observing more than that one single thing.
>>2198926I'm saying hes more far right that a neocon
Neocons are like john bolton and shit
>>2198941Yes it's AI, and it is an analogy.
>>2198893>capitalism claims to value and reward "hard work", yet all the richest people in the world inherited it and/or made their money "investing" rather than doing any actual fucking work. This is you right? That's categorically wrong and not a contradiction. If you retards would not just dip out of a conversation anytime you have no clue what you're talking about I wouldn't have to talk to AI.
Do I need to explain the humor of this conversation again?
I said:
>>2198867>This phrase doesn't even make sense in normal modern English. Point to me anywhere a normal person would use the phrase:>>2198893>I don't understand what you find difficult about that sentence, or about the concept? here's one contradiction you can throw out that everyone I talk to irl immediately agrees with: capitalism claims to value and reward "hard work", yet all the richest people in the world inherited it and/or made their money "investing" rather than doing any actual fucking work. ask them how rich the hardest worker they know is, and how hard working the richest person they know is. there's a contradiction right there that everyone understandsThis retarded anon tried to prove to me that everyone understands what a contradiction of capitalism is when he himself does not know.
>>2198935anon asked "why are indians like this"
not "why are hindutva like this"
it's bad faith. you might as well post a klansman and ask "why are crackers like this" or post some school shooter and ask "why are zoom zooms like this"
just low brainpower discourse natural to imageboard users
>>2198542>genius psychopaths are very rare and their genius tends to be overstated.This. Most "psychopath" are midwitts or low impulse retards sitting in jail.
It's also clear most of the psycho leaders and admin do not "have a plan", not one that makes sense at least. Which is normal because dyonisian passion doesnt make too much place for such things.
>>2198556Also this. These guys arent comparable to HW Bush era neocons in term of objective talent and competencies. Just like modern dems arent comparable to FDR or even Johnson.
holy shit trump is using Tariffs as another type of sanctions now. Just announced there would be a 25% tariff levied on countries buying Venezuelan oil/gas. No buyer is safe
From bloomberg:
>With the threat, Trump appeared to be inventing a combination of tariffs and what are known as secondary sanctions, the financial punishments that can be imposed on other countries or people for doing business with sanctioned entities. The targets of his “secondary tariffs” could vary widely given that Venezuelan oil goes to the US, Spain, India and the black market.https://archive.ph/ZIeUf>>2199122bbc porn is a memetic kill agent for right wingers
Show Vance the edited picture of Miss America with a bbc tattoo and hes gonna have to excuse himself to the bathroom
>>2199214I used to defend zoomers because of what a raw deal they've been given, but I've honestly given up on gen z
>inb4 genpol schizo starts screeching about millennial disney adults and fox news boomersyou are as bad as them
>>2199214The main impacted by the recent policies have been old people.
And zoomers are just nihilistic and lost, uyghas can't even keep a job 😂
>>2199229Suck my huge dick
Bernie is a wothless demokkkrat. Thats why only old idiots follow him around
>>2199261Something doesn't add up. Goldberg is former IDF prison guard and used the Atlantic in the summer of 2010 to push the idea that an Israeli attack on Iran was imminent and was probably gonna happen by July 2011. Go look this up. Okay, he wasn't saying that Israel *should* bomb Iran, just that his Israeli military sources were saying they probably will! (Unless the U.S. made a stronger commitment to roll back Iran's nuclear program. Hruh okay.) And it'd be really awful if that happened! Because the Iranians are irrational madmen, which is why his sources insist they must. be. stopped.
There were a lot of people who raised issues with this. Then others said, "well you're only attacking the article because the author is Jeffrey Goldberg." But Jeffrey Goldberg is also a notorious access fucker who has never seen an Israeli military action he didn't like.
Anyways, was Goldberg actually accidentally added to the group chat? What if it was deliberate? What if the Trump administration wants Goldberg to help them make the case for war? But then if that's the case, why would he claim he was added by accident and that it's a breach of OPSEC? But the only real issue Goldberg has with any of this BTW is just that they leaked it, nothing about what the Trump administration is actually doing in terms of military action here. He didn't leak the actual war plans either, he posted screenshots of emojis and the Trump brain trust calling the Europeans pathetic and how only America can do anything about the Houthis. Does this not sound sus to anyone else?
>>2199304I was thinking the same thing. We didnt learn anything of substance. I'm think they had Jeffy leak this shit to gage reaction to the idea of a war with Iran or possibly as a distraction.
Heres the problem, these guys are morons that think they're playing 4D chess.
So in the end it does end up working like 4d chess because they're bad decisions can be misinterpreted as a tactical move as part of a broader strategy. When the reality is they just fucked up and are plowing ahead with just a vauge end goal from crisis to the next.
>>2199310>the leaks embolden Israel to take action on their own and the leaks even discuss that possibility.That if they waited then Israel would take action on their own. But is that what Hegseth wanted the war chat to know, or is that something he actually needed to convince them of or explain to them? Or is that what he wanted Goldberg to publish? I don't know.
>>2199315Either way, the liberal reaction to this is annoying. Again, it's not about what they did (bombing Yemen), it's about this "leak." And they're going full Tiedrich on this one. Don't they know they're supposed to keep this shit secret!?!?! What a massive, indescribably horrible breach of security! There are arsonists in the White House and these McCrustfucks are burning it down every goddamned day! And the real scandal is that we're living in it!
>>2199306What's "this" and why should I be worried about it? Also
>ThePersianJewess"Jewess" sounds like a fucking wild term, like some really bad fantasy or sci-fi story talking about some non-human race. You don't see other people going around all "Oh, I'm an Asianess".
Jesus fucking Christ these goofballs.
>>2199322>the two most advanced demoKKKrats cant even find but a single jackanape in whole city to dance for themThis good in two ways.
1. DemoKKKrat thought is dead to the proletariat
2. DemoKKKrat show who they really stand for
>>2199327We need to purge everyone who gets their opinions from the internet.
Anyone who's ever shared a twitter screenshot needs to be launched into the sun
>>2199444Give us a blueprint for building a cohesive labor movement that isn't just "go outside and talk to people and hope it happens spontaneously" then maybe we'll talk.
I see so much talk about organizing or volunteering at organizations but there's never talk of actual steps to build a movement. It's all just very vague shit that doesn't typically lead to anything further unless you get a once in a generation leader taking charge.
>>2199455>>2199459🤣🤣🤣 These replies unironically sound like bots. Bold to assume you're a communist if you're this alienated from labor organs of class struggle all around you. You also betray your petit-bourgeois retardation by insinuating as though the labor movement is an invention of communists by their own individual prowess subsequently passed down to later gens for innovations.
Historically it's always been small groups/collectives that immersed themselves amongst trade unions and proletarians in collective struggle from which the class party truly emerged from and it's still the same today.
>>2199465so much illiteracy on this shithole, they literally spelled it out in the post lmfao
fucking americans dude
>>2199463>Bold to assume you're a communist ifI'm a communist because I have specific beliefs about how society should be structured, not because of the company I keep. I don't have friends or anyone I could consider helpful for "organizing" and I need actual advice for manifesting a communist revolution within my lifetime. Otherwise I'll just go to a DSA meeting, argue with some Libs about their flawed methods, get told I'm not Left-wing enough if I won't donate to X or Y liberal candidate, and go home disillusioned with the whole concept of political organizing.
IF YOU WANT AN ACTUAL LABOR MOVEMENT TO MANIFEST YOU NEED TO MAKE IT AS EASY AS POSSIBLE FOR DISAFFECTED PROLES TO JOIN YOUR MOVEMENT. DON'T TELL THEM TO ORGANIZE WITHOUT ANY CONCRETE PLAN. DON'T TELL THEM TO MEET RANDOM ASS PEOPLE IN A HALF EMPTY SCHOOL GYMNASIUM WHOSE GOALS MIGHT BE ENTIRELY INCOMPATIBLE WITH YOUR OWN. BUILD A PLATFORM AND SPREAD IT ONLINE IF YOU WANT SHIT TO HAPPEN IRL. WE'RE LONG PAST GOING TO UNION MEETINGS FULL OF GLOWIES AND LIBS. ALL THAT DOES IS FURTHER DISILLUSION PEOPLE WHO WANT TO GET SHIT DONE. TRY USING LEFTYPOL AS AN ACTUAL PLATFORM FOR ORGANIZING ITSELF.
ok so we should like actually make a thread for making propaganda that can be disseminated to other online spaces.
>>2199482I've tried making such threads in the past but haven't been able to get far with them before getting shouted down for being undialectical in some way or another, but you seem like you're pretty good with words so if you got an OP started on making an American revolutionary platform I'd be happy to participate.
>>2199492All the more reason we need a Real Movement that unites the revolutionary left
>>2199492RCP milk their members dry. Read this shit:
https://communist.red/north-west-rcp-votes-to-grow-membership-by-20-percent-in-seven-weeks/> An inspiring finance report finished off the day, resulting in comrades raising their overall membership subs income by £193 per month across the region – a great step towards our target!< Comrades additionally came up with several creative ideas to raise our goal of £9,000 in fighting fund, including film nights and communist merchandise.> What’s more, even before fundraising had begun, a whopping £6,000 was personally pledged by party members present.< The spirit in the room was like an auction house, as comrades competed over who could pledge the most money. Outstandingly, two worker comrades personally pledging £1,000 each!> On top of this, books, magazines, and pamphlets were flying off the stall, with £250 of material being bought over the weekend. This will contribute towards our new regional fund which we will use to invest in more literature and material.< One new comrade summed up the mood in the room, saying that they had never felt more encouraged to learn and understand the world! >>2199555Hey Mr Houdini, we could use some input from you in this thread
>>2199508Given that you're clearly dedicated to revolution I think we could use your perspective
>>2199590Debt Jubilee would win you the war and the masses support.
I've got some writing on why Balkanizing is bad for the long term prospects of a socialist US, will dig those up.
>>2199784>>2199775>>2199790Y'know funny enough I saw ads for Shen Yun recently that are like "The LYING MEDIA have been MAKING UP stories about Shen Yun! See it for yourself!" They're real cagey about the ideology of their weird little cult ballet.
That said, I think the ad can go in two directions. Either try to be "subtle" (well, as subtle as you can be while advertising "Marxists.Org") or kind of "In Your Face". I think the latter has the potential to really set people off and expand the advertisement beyond people literally seeing it on the street. So a picture of Marx, or a bright red Hammer & Sickle could do some good.
I think something catchy like
>"The Rich are getting Richer">"But the Workers are getting Educated"<"Marxists.Org"Along with either a stylized picture of Marx, or maybe something like a White Guy and Black Guy both reading the manifesto.
>>2199796you know what'd be even better advertising?
a bomb in pete hesgeth's car.
>>2199796>>"The Rich are getting Richer">>"But the Workers are getting Educated"Smarter. Not educated. Smarter.
For two reasons:
1. faster to say, fewer syllables more down to earth. for the same reason you said "worker" instead of "proletarian"
2. workers already mentally distinguish between "educated" (having degrees in some bullshit that entitle you to a higher social position even if you're an incompetent brat) and being "smart" (talented, fast witted, full of cultivated skill and knowledge that took hard work to get)
Trump special envoy to special missions
Former dni too.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Grenel>>2199874These people really are controlled opposition aren't they?
I'm more concerned about Trump disappearing people he doesn't like and Musk getting access to all our voter data.
>>2200009>exactly what I thought. Same.
Aside from America famously overperscribing she probably took a whole xnax bar, that's incredibly common, retards don't know you need to split them.
>>2200033>The Atlantic releasedYes, I trust the premiere NATO magazine with providing scoops of this very obviously not limited hangout with their IDF prison guard chief editor.
I am sure the scoop is nothing but authentic and valuable insight
>>2200071Uh huh. Yes. The CIA says they are very embarrassed and the publication claims to be owning the MAGAs.
Must be legit.
>>2200087BIG Johnson *
sir* to you, whelp.
Get me a new coffee, this one is warm. Three sugars on the big cup. And ask Manuel on the way, he'll have papers for me.
>>2200111Lol now this congress woman is telling the CIA guy that they're going to replace them with commercially available OSINT(open source intelligence.)
Holy shit now he's saying that they have a AI OSINT analysis program that creates their briefings.
>>2200139>It was a common millennial wisdom that Republicans were lame as fuckBecause of the W clownshow and the Reagan worship throughout the 2000s until Iraq was a lie and the stock market crashed.
>which is why they spent billions of dollars swaying zoomers into thinking they are coolThe millennial president was Obama and guess what? He failed and Millennials are still coping with that legacy. Millennials went to Bernie and guess what? Are still coping. Zoomers had to deal with Trump because of the failure of Obama and were nihilistic about politics from the start. Trump won out with zoomer men because the dems were not even attempting to appeal to them and allowed Trump to make appeals and run the narrative. Kamala refused interviews that were not pre-planned. Thats not even getting into the fact that the majority of zoomers dont even vote.
> I think he best bet is to simply make a zoomer soyjak and then just push that shit as hard as you can.Lmao that's not going to do anything.
>>2200147I always associated nudist protests with euros, and france in particular.
america's a bit too puritan for something like picrel to get off the ground
>>2200152Hegseth: TIME NOW (1144et): Weather is FAVORABLE. Just CONFIRMED w/CENTCOM we are a GO for mission launch.
“1215et: F-18s LAUNCH (1st strike package)”
“1345: ‘Trigger Based’ F-18 1st Strike Window Starts (Target Terrorist is @ his Known Location so SHOULD BE ON TIME – also, Strike Drones Launch (MQ-9s)”
“1410: More F-18s LAUNCH (2nd strike package)”
“1415: Strike Drones on Target (THIS IS WHEN THE FIRST BOMBS WILL DEFINITELY DROP, pending earlier ‘Trigger Based’ targets)”
“1536 F-18 2nd Strike Starts – also, first sea-based Tomahawks launched.”
“MORE TO FOLLOW (per timeline)”
“We are currently clean on OPSEC”
“Godspeed to our Warriors.”
===
At 1:48 p.m., Waltz sent the following text, containing real-time intelligence about conditions at an attack site, apparently in Sanaa: “VP. Building collapsed. Had multiple positive ID. Pete, Kurilla, the IC, amazing job.”
“Typing too fast. The first target – their top missile guy – we had positive ID of him walking into his girlfriend’s building and it’s now collapsed.”
>>2200139LeftyPol once again proving that they don't live in reality
Zoomers aren't permachudded.
If they are, do are millennials, Gen X, and boomers.
If anything, Millennials were the ones accusing zoomers of being too progressive in 2016.
>>2200183People told me I was schizo for noticing the podcast matrixes
People told me I was a schizo for noticing the reactionaries using emojis
>>2200139Millennials thought Republicans were lame because they had the image of stupid Christian moralists who wanted to ban rap music and video games. It was very much this idea that even a Republican at his “coolest” was like some youth pastor saying “Hey kids! You ever hear of this gangsta named Jeezy-C and his 12 homies?!”
Then for some reason the liberals went from kind of sneering “Dude, weed!” Douchebags like Bill Maher to perpetually hysterical weeping social activists who wanted to replace CoD with, I dunno, a 2 hour lecture on intersectionality with a disabled Black Woman?
Shit, Thiel going full chud only happened around GamerGate IIRC, and it was mostly him coasting on anger at established media to take down Gawker.
>>2200231politics is inherently full of hypocrisy because groups competing for dominance over each other want to maximize their strategic flexibility by enjoying the rights given to them by society but once they are in power they want to limit those rights for their opponents. There's no use in pointing out the hypocrisy. Earlier ITT it was said:
>dunking on chvds for their hypocrisy doesn't matter. such dunks are worth their weight in shit. chvds either know they're hypocrites and delight in it, or they're too stupid to understand what hypocrisy is. power is inherently hypocritical anyway. do as I say, not as I do. it's based when I do it, it's cringe when you do it. heads I win, tails you lose. One set of rules for thee, no set of rules for me. Will you fight and kill the reactionary enemy or tsk-tsk and tut-tut them for their hypocrisy as they nail you to the cross?To wield power means to make yourself immune to rules that apply only to others, and to enforce those rules selectively as you please. Will you wield power or will power be wielded on you? You will say that this is cynical, but Lenin found reading Clausewitz and Machiavelli nearly as useful as reading Marx
>>2200230>>2200264let his light shine through ya!
the son of the original G
>>2200231Yeah, though I’ll say the right’s image is pretty weird in that it’s kind of laundering that stuff as “we’ll make 40k real, guys.” Like the Right of Bush’s day was on that “compassionate conservatism” horseshit, kind of a “If you masturbate you make the angels cry” the image was sort of an angry old guy who’d shove mouthfuls of peppermints if he felt the urge to swear.
Something I’d say about the new right is that its social views are really schizophrenic, and it’s changing Christianity too. You’ve got Protestant pastors saying their congregation is calling Jesus a liberal beta. I think it can be said that the social conservatives of yesteryear at least would be able to recognize these tech bros like Elon Musk as phony Christians. They could at least see things like affairs (of which Trump has had plenty) as bad and try to fix their image. Now it’s just “if you’re a pornstar you’re a REAL MAN like Jesus intended!” The Dems meanwhile are floundering, they’ve got an image problem, they’re still stuck as “Karen from HR”. As a late millennial I think it’s pretty surprising that they’re the “party of facts” or some horseshit, because there was a real undercurrent of conspiracism in certain avenues of liberalism back in the day. Yknow, “Bush did 9/11” and all that.
But back to the right and 40k. I think the big difference between the Bush and Trump era right, is that the Trump era gives an alternative that can keep young men around. “Yeah we want based trad farmers and shit, but you can sublate your horniness by being a violently psychotic fascist.” It’s the trad Cath promise: “yeah we’re talking about banning porn, but you’ll be chanting Latin in some beautiful gothic cathedral and whipping yourself and crying and that’ll be better than porn.” It’s like how Mishima would unironically have a hands free orgasm by mimicking seppuku. And it seems insane, sure, but it gives them
some kind of psychological gratification. There was a journalist that went to some Pentecostal revival, real “speaking in tongues” kind of event, and even she had to admit the energy of the crowd, of turning your problems like depression or anxiety into literal demons, spazzing out, and having some priest ritualistically “cleanse” you of your demons seemed psychologically gratifying.
I think that was the big fuckup with liberal intrusions into cultural spaces. There was no negotiation, no trade. Yeah media back in the day would use sex and violence to sell shit, because that tickled our animal brains, and the response from social liberals was “Well if you want to be a GOOD PERSON you need to get rid of this!” Well, what if people didn’t want to be good? What if they wanted to be filthy animals just fucking and killing and fighting each other?
Honestly I think maybe the best solution to this is just a day, kinda like in the dishonored lore, where we all can do whatever the fuck we want without any inhibitions. Then the next day we all pretend it never happened and go back to normal.
>>2200264>>2200271>>2200230Sometimes they have some actual decent sounding Jesus rap with Black people rapping, and I'll be flipping stations, and I'm like that sounds alright, ok, then I hear
>I was a sinner>Now I'm redeemed>I was messin up>Now I'm on God's teamThat said DMX made some sick Christian rap. Ready To Meet Him is probably my favorite DMX song.
>>2200287i think making it seem like complaining about "woke" constantly and unprompted is weird loser shit is a much better strategy. play a little dumb and ask people what they actually mean by it if theyre talking about a specific instance, and if theyre talking about actual pathetic liberal pandering, say "oh yeah that pandering shit is dumb."
if youre talking to someone about media, i like to frame those convos specifically in terms of pandering and trying to generate controversy for easy press for an otherwise bad show/game whatever, because if someone is actually just tired of being berated with that kind of thing in media, you can acknowledge that its stupid while steering away from "cultural marxist" reactionary rhetoric into a palateable critique of consumerism.
if youre talking to someone about actual interpersonal experiences theyve had, let them explain and give them the benefit of the doubt for a bit. a lot of the time people just have run ins with actual condescending, idiotic liberals trying to bulldoze over someone who has no idea what theyre talking about. if it doesnt seem like theyre already knee deep in reactionary ideology about the gays and the browns etc., commiserate with them on the level of the people theyre interacting with being assholes, inconsiderate, unfairly presuming to understand them, etc. steer away from the rhetoric of victimization by the "woke mob" while acknowledging their legitimate grievances with being talked down to and dismissed.
in both of these cases the point is that you affirm someones legitimate circumstantial discomforts and gripes, and if they ARE already immersed in reactionary propaganda, they WILL tell you as soon as they think youre giving them room to spread their brainworms. if theyre not already immersed in that stuff, it gives you a chance to positively reinforce their good instincts (90% of media is shallow manipulative slop; interpersonal identitarian blackmail is just narcissistic bullying disguised as political principle) while using language that steers things away from a narrative of indignant victimization towards some abstract power pulling all the cultural strings to humiliate them, which is what "anti-woke" grifters and reactionary populists rely on.
thats my approach at least, and i really disagree that trying to reverse engineer the "anti-woke" moralism into some "dark woke" meme can possibly be effective, and i suspect that itll only reinforce the worst aspects of liberalism
>>2200287I don’t follow most social media so there’s always a lag on what new thing is going on in the culture wars for me. Dunno what “Dark Woke” is but I heard about that lady calling Abbot “Hot Wheels” and I approve. Republicans can’t pretend they’ve got any standards given who their leader is, and if they try to censure her I think the Dems should circle the wagons.
Granted one thing I’d say is that the “wokes” were always pricks, they always wanted that libidinal victory over their opponents, so I’d say the change now is that there isn’t even an attempt to pretend it’s about anything than humiliating their opponents.
>>2200309Broadly agree with this. It’s more important to offer alternative critiques and give people the benefit of the doubt than just sneer at them.
Something I’ll say is a lot of the problems with “woke” stuff is that it feels like it overrides the surface level shit people are actually interested in. It’s reminding me again and again of this LGBT person describing D&D with hetero people being about killing dragons and D&D with LGBT people being a therapy session (she was saying that positively). Okay, well, I’m invested in a story about killing a dragon, I’m much less invested in being the audience to someone coming to terms with their sexuality. Just not what I’m engaging with the media for. If a villainess is saying she’s trying to take over the world because of some personal tragedy, then I’m at least able to relate to it or engage with it. If it’s because of “girl power” and “men suck” then I’ve got way less interest.
>>2200296uyghas here will still defend this shit
uyghas will still scream at you if you accurately call it a gestapo
uyghas will still say "but what about my titty games" when talking about free speech
uyghas will say MAGA aren't all subhuman for wanting this
>>2200353you will still do nothing, thereby offering this shit your own silent defense.
you are as much a collaborator as the "uyghas"
>>2200361lmao
their abduction was legal and your "defense fund" will fail, which you know and are ok with because it's just a way to do nothing while appearing to do something to assuage your guilty conscience.
>>2200364oh no i'm sure a twitter meme will free that person and stop further gestapo raids, you really got them! they are owned now, having been called hitlerites by an anonymous internet poster.
do something about it or shut up.
Just found out Peter Thiel funded Ron Paul in the late 00's. This baby-eating vampire is fucking everywhere
Glad I never fell for the Ron Paul shit
>>2200357>and you will do nothing hhahapeople who say this nonstop want you to respond with something they'll probably then send to the authorities
>>2200377>>2200374THIS!
Don't complain unless you post your name face and record your actions and your plans NOW NOW NOW NOW
>>2200382these raids are a sign of strength on the part of the state, it means there is no opposition to them because the western "left" has refused to open a second front despite the resistance begging them to do so.
they are moving back into gaza with no resistance and killing hundreds every day. no one is doing anything, because they killed all the resistance soldiers while you watched.
it's still not too late, but it's getting closer.
>>2200379the answer now is the same as it's always been.
remember, the pigs doing this have names and addresses. their boss does too.
>>2200388i do not condenm this but the bourgeoise is actually smart and organized, the whole reason why conservatives love the 2A is because they can arm themselves and their paramilitaries/nuclear families, weaponry is unaffordable to the average proletarian.
if the 2A was used to exert their rights instead of arming segregrationist/republican paramilitaries or atomwaffen school shooters, and those leftists groups used the 2A to protect themselves and fight the police, there would be a crackdown and a revokal of the 2A akin to the mulford act
>>2200396you can buy a brand new shotgun for $200 with a lifetime warranty.
https://gun.deals/product/mossberg-maverick-security-flat-dark-earth-12-gauge-185-barrel-5-rounds-22769stop making excuses for doing nothing and do something.
>>2200394
>Calling on free forces in America to escalate the confrontation against American participation in the war of extermination
>🔴 The Popular Front: The criminal Trump's support for the aggression against Gaza is new confirmation of the direct American partnership in the extermination of our people.https://pflp.ps/post/24402/%25the PFLP has called for you to open a second front, and still, you will do nothing. the resistance is literally picking the remains of their children from their shattered homes in trash bags and the gestapo raids anti-genocide protesters at will, and you will do nothing.
>>2200392If you damage productive forces or articles of consumption , then you must be shot. Just like Stalin Communist law. Wreckers must be sentence to supreme measure social defense: shooting to death. death to thieves
Ukrozionnazi antitesla retards who suicide bomb tesla charging station to start class war are no different from neonazi who suicide bomb substation in winter to start race war.
>>2200309>i like to frame those convos specifically in terms of pandering and trying to generate controversy for easy press for an otherwise bad show/game whatever … you can acknowledge that its stupid while steering away from "cultural marxist" reactionary rhetoric into a palateable critique of consumerism.Yeah. I think anything that moves it away from an existential "they're out to personally destroy you" conflict is good. My approach is that it's like a "scam." I'll also try to shift the conversation to social media which is where a lot of this stuff plays out. I've done things like reference these clickbait websites like Upworthy that would publish articles like "10 Reasons Why We're Done With White Men" which was really about casting a really wide net and provoking attention and some kind of reaction on social media to generate web traffic (they don't care if you like or hate the article, as long as you react to it), and they'd take their traffic numbers and put them in a spreadsheet with projections to convince investors to give them more money, but the traffic wasn't really worth anything, and then the money ran out once interest rates started rising and they went bankrupt. So it was really about business and these companies trying to exploit people on both ends of a completely irrational culture war.
A related thing here too is that right-wingers seem to be much more immersed in social media nowadays. Like it's really right-wingers who you see constantly regurgitating political links and slogans all over social media and they constantly reinforce each other. Then you look at liberals and left-wing people, they can be more and more disconnected, or sometimes they post family photos or vacations but that is mostly it. They seem to (share) a distrust for social media in general and refrain from much posting, outside of a rare "get out to vote" campaign. This is not to say these people aren't political, but it's just different.
>>2200350>It’s reminding me again and again of this LGBT person describing D&D with hetero people being about killing dragons and D&D with LGBT people being a therapy session (she was saying that positively).I would respond to that by saying that hetero people killing dragons is also a form of therapy.
>>2200426I'm not.
Why are you begging people to do nothing?
>>2200444You want nothing.
Nothing has never worked. Nothing will never work.
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