I know that you don’t know what I’m talking about when I say that “western values are weak.” I mean that the majority of the perpetrators of most capitalist shitbaggery are in general pathetic people that promote generally fragile ideas.
Putin, Elon, trump, and many others billionaires are all either single or have gone through multiple divorces despite their supposed success in life. Most liberal democracies are failing and are ill prepared to handle any violent dissent or invasions. Health crises that were resolved centuries ago and severe deficits in social supports is rampant in nearly all countries that adopt western ideas voluntarily. Although most abrahamic religions aren’t western, the societies and institutions that run them are and constantly fall into issues with justifying their presence past serving as substitutes for whatever real social supports people used to have.
There are so many countries so far that have already fallen into failed state status or dissolved at this point despite adopting western practices—it’s not even funny. How the fuck do you even respond to such weakness and fragility?
>>2200953He spoke of values,
not institutions. Also, it‘s because capitalism is strong while Western values, which are an ephemeral superstructural phenomenon, aren‘t by themselves strong. That shouldn‘t be too far fetched given these values are rooted in idealism and false consciousness meant to obfuscate the real mechanisms and drives of society.
>>2201324>Who is gonna care for the elderly?Yet you guys support abortion.
>>2201331>Declining birth rates are misanthropicLeftyPol really is just a right wing board.
>>2201334>Yet you guys support abortionYeah, yeah we fucking do. We respect bodily autonomy here. Want more kids? Set the mood. Don’t have the world collapsing on itself. Don’t have people worrying about basic needs and being on the streets. Don’t have omnicidial profit hungry psychopaths in charge of everything.
Get the good times going, and people who want kids WILL have them. Otherwise, fuck off.
>>2201604>A hicklib is someone regardless of raceNo
>who thinks that living in rural areas means that his liberalism somehow holds more weight, so youI’ve never thought this in my entire life.
>>2201623>zero effort service jobsWhew. And you think your honor system is going to make it onto the table. Hilarious.
>but that shouldn’t be a problem if you’re a communistA communist has no need for “honor”
>>2201318I'm from the middle east and it's generally a mixed bag. Religious people are often the least happy. Whether christian or Muslim. The ones that are happy are generally regular people who treat religion as a background aspect of their life. Middle easterners are generally happier than the west because they shun overindulge. They don't outright resent their traditions but also don't attempt to conserve them against modernity. People in the west privilege modern technology over tradition at all costs. While in the middle east harmony is more important.
Believe me no one where I'm from considers Afghanistan as an ideal place, since one extreme is not view as a balanced mean to life
>>2202688Fanon may have fought for colonial independance but what does that mean for the man himself? Fanon was born middle class and died upper class. This man never experienced having to wake up everyday to slink off to a warehouse where you have to give up 8-12 hours of your day to a tyrant who controls you, everyday for decades. He was a always a free man with all the free time in the world and an education.
No matter what he went through, it was not 1/10th of what the average wage worker goes through everyday.
>>2202746You sound like a perpetual victim. Guy didn’t exactly have it easy when your in the FIRST FUCKING WORLD WAR AND GIVING PSYCHIATRIC CARE IN A WARZONE. I still remember reading his case studies on the fucked up clients he was treating in Algeria
People with severe asthenia, depression, murderous tendencies, and that was just his life at its easiest. Guy never got to see a world not defined by a world war, open colonialism on his home continent, or fascistic violence at its height. His life put in danger on repeated occasions and barely anyone ever came for him for support.
You’re not the center of everything fucking narcissist. Being a proletarian doesn’t automatically make you the biggest victim of fucking everything.
>>2202759Kek radlib cope. No wonder radlibs love Fanon
>The guy did everything he could to genuinely save millions of people out of altruismLiterally a petit-bourgeois psychiatrist in a war zone saving millions through talk therapy. Hysterical
>>2202764I am in bed phone-posting. Do radlibs like you even know how to read? Or do you just have your computer read aloud from r/Deprogrom?
>>2202776You sound very proud of yourself typing that nonsense. Here, have a gold star of being the worlds biggest victim ⭐️
Fucking baby
>>2202773Says how much you know about the history of medicine and healthcare in general. The responsibilities of most psychiatrists weren’t and still aren’t largely different from that of other health professionals.
You understand that those people even back then had to put with idiots that were too mentally fucked up to handle basic things like bathing themselves or eating without throwing tantrums and getting into fights? Psychiatrists were and are still largely responsible for keeping those people put together so their fucked up disorders wouldn’t progress to physiological disorders too.
I don't really know what afro pessimism but what are they arguing about with "many countries have fallen into failed state status despite adopting western practices." Western practices usually means democracy and feminism because this is the only thing that really stands out among us against something like Islam, Romani, or even traditional African practice like with the Rastafarians and their hyper-patriarchal structure. Last time I checked, the west is still top dog against all of these groups of people. It's part of our foreign policy to dismantle attempts at secularizing these countries, like we did in Iraq or what the Brits did to the Ottomans, because this reactionary current of orthodoxy is self-destructive to their society. It keeps them weak. Let's not throw stones from glass houses.
>Putin, Elon, trump, and many others billionaires are all either single or have gone through multiple divorces despite their supposed success in life.These people are psychotic, but why exactly do we care? Marx correctly pointed out that Capitalism destroys traditions and marriage is one of those structures that are affected. As society becomes more liberal, divorce rates will rise.
However, this shows a reactionary mindset because we don't care about the traditional, patriarchal family unit that imposes the ideological, social hierarchies. It's a common, conservative talking point to defend marriage by making it illegal in most/all cases. Just because a black man is saying it, doesn't make any less conservative. Divorce sucks, but they shouldn't be held at gunpoint to stay together.
>Most liberal democracies are failing and are ill-prepared to handle any violent dissent or invasions.They're not failing, what is this, vibes? China recently accelerated their liberalization when their GDP growth stagnated a few years ago. I agree it's insufficient for handling a pandemic or ecological disaster, including climate change, which is why I'm a communist, but they're not failing any time soon. There are fascists in power but so far, it's still democracy, even if they're doing shit you don't like.
>Although most abrahamic religions aren’t western, the societies and institutions that run them are and constantly fall into issues with justifying their presence past serving as substitutes for whatever real social supports people used to have. Once again the reactionary, pagan idealization. Christianity isn't simply the colonial aggressor ideology anymore; it's been transformed into a core part of over half the world's culture. If the appeal here is, which is the unironic position of many left-liberals, to return to pagan-fetishism, it's just cringe and reactionary as fat guys larping as vikings. I'm assuming this is the position because you said, "real social supports people *used* to have."
>How the fuck do you even respond to such weakness and fragility?Again, what weakness? Women's rights and some basic freedoms? I understand this gets abused to justify violence but that's a topic of ideology, not that girls being free from being sold as sex slaves to the local pedophile is bad.
>>2202812This makes a lot more sense to me. Leftists hate to admit it, but western values are superior. It's very racist and condescending to idealize other cultures or explain that they're too "simple minded" to deal with those topics yet. I know, particularly in Islamic countries, there are students and artists trying to fight against these reactionary traditions their society has, and it makes me livid when I see some pretentious asshole trying to objectify an entire ethnicity or defend that inhumanity from the comfort of their computer.
This isn't a defense of genocide or colonialism, but rather just recognizing that people moving away from female circumcision to some women's rights is a good thing. Only a suburban Jihad larper would think otherwise.
>>2202841>causing different regions of the globe to have histories that are mostly sealed off from each othercompletely wrong btw
see: alexandrian empire, umayyad caliphate, mongol empire, ottoman empire
also the overland and maritime silk road
>>2201567>Honor culture imported from the deep south US should be integrated and modernized for a pro-working class perspective.<Emmett Louis Till (July 25, 1941 – August 28, 1955) was a 14-year-old African American youth, who was abducted and lynched in Mississippi in 1955 after being accused of offending a white woman, Carolyn Bryant, in her family's grocery store. The brutality of his murder and the acquittal of his killers drew attention to the long history of violent persecution of African Americans in the United States. Till posthumously became an icon of the civil rights movement.Settler socialists are objectively no different than Zionist creatures, no soul, certainly no HONOR among these subhuman kulak wannabees lmao
>>2201604>living in rural areas means that his liberalism somehow holds more weightZero historical materialism radlib doesn't anything. The imperial core has no need for liberalism, but the periphery like the internal colonies of Appalachian need books and basic liberal ideas like religious plurality. I hope someone lynches you for being a dishonorable Catholic or wnatever, OP!
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