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>>22016901st pic undermines its own point by asserting that it was "the russians" building commism, rather than the bolsheviks.
first, russia was no less backwards than any other eastern european, baltic or central asian country, on aggregate.
They also had to be elevated to sapience by the bolsheviks. Seems like a strange attempt to marry the achievements of communism to a kind of essential "russianness" or whatever.
Second, it implies that communism was "enforced" or "pushed" on other countries by russia. This obscures the popular support communism had among the masses of said countries, erases the struggles and accomplishments of local communist movements & leadership, and plays right into the enemy propaganda narrative of "social fascism" and "communism at gunpoint".
This whole general is basically a snake pit of reaction, an ugly stain on the face of Leftypol.
>>2201701Funny how that comic predates you posting on this website, and has never been a problem before, for over half a decade. Please tell me more about what is and isn't "reaction" and what is or isn't real /leftypol/, I would love to hear it.*
*Translator Note: it means "shut the fuck up"
>>2201743Sure it predates me posting on this website, because it originated on krautchan /int/ a board that would later turn full fascist.
Not sure that failing to identify anticommunist propaganda for so long is something to brag about on your part.
>>2201701>1st pic undermines its own point by asserting that it was "the russians" building commism, rather than the bolsheviksthe image shows 3 country balls representing baltic reactionaries, they see the ussr as le continued russian empire so it makes sense in the context
and for the average person ussr was "russia", the communists were "the russians", no one and i really do actually mean no one that isn't either a communist or a eastern european nationalist cares about the difference
go talk to a normal person once in a while, most of them don't know what an estonia is
>>2201758> for the average personFor the average westoid maybe
For anyone in the actual USSR, the USSR was a distinct concept from "Russia". Including the bolsheviks and the communist party itself.
>>2201753>not indulging in butthurt belt whining is "anticommunist propaganda"Yeah, okay.
Also, there is nothing wrong with "communism at gunpoint".
>>2201701>1st pic undermines its own point by asserting that it was "the russians" building commism, rather than the bolsheviks.It was mostly Russians building those things. Like, Russia had specialists, while other republics didn't. It was one of the sources of nationalist butthurt, that instead of local small nation nepo babies without required levels of education, companies were hiring Russians
When nationalists came to power, they rectified this. With obvious results
>>2201701I saw some shitlib on X be like
>You DO realise that this is the narrative western colonialists have, right?If you come across this, remember that people who play apologia for western colonialism do not boast about building schools, hospitals or libraries, their proud contributions to "civilising" their former colonies is always around infrastructure, i.e
>The British Empire was a net positive to India because we built *them* an entire train network! We built roads and bridges!glossing over that these trains, roads and bridges were built solely to speed up the extraction of India's resources that was only expected to end when there were no more resources to extract, not to give the Indians an easier commute to work, let alone there being any attempt to make them healthy, educated or well read.
>>2201762>For the average westoid maybeUh, that was a thing outside the west as well with Russia being a synonym for the Soviet Union. Its like calling Great Britain England or Netherlands Holland. Its just a informal way of calling the country.
>>2201800Then you should have no problem with the comic
>>2201862Apologists would just suggest that India inherited it eventually when Britain woke up one day and realised colonialism is wrong and left, thus colonialism still was good for India.. eventually.
The point is, it's not intrinsically colonialism to build stuff in other nations, what the "stuff" is there to achieve is the important part.
>>2201825 is also correct that it's just as much a Balt/NATO narrative that "building shit" is colonialism as it is was for that cringe "я оккупант" video. Comparing the construction of a radio factory in Riga by a common Communist government, to the building of diamond mines under colonial rule in Africa, etc.
It's essentially just the "two genocides" angle again where Balts want to suggest they're no less oppressed and enslaved under communism than any Indian under British colonial rule.
>>2201872Baltics don't even have any resources, ffs. The only value of Baltic states is transit to and from Russia. And Lithuania has (had?) an agrarian sector, I suppose. Yet they all screech about how Baltics would have been second Benelux if not for Russians!!1 They were second Benelux under Soviet rule btw, just like Ukraine was second France
Also, Westoids love to present India's conditions as horrible even before colonization, and then Britain graciously trying to save them and then giving up on educating savages
>>2201868 Why don't you hype up Victoria's death toll? Our leftists over there always counter liberals by claiming that Queen Victoria killed hundreds of millions.
为什么你们不炒作维多利亚的杀人数，我们那里的左翼都用维多利亚女王杀了几亿人来反驳自由主义者
https://www.zhihu.com/question/657598844 >>2201894 The old man looks a bit different from the real photo.
老爷爷和真实照片长的有点不一样
>>2201894No lies detected.
Although it's not like giving only men the vote solves anything.
The proper thing is to abolish voting entirely like the USSR and other socialist states.
Hold fake elections and then toss everyone's votes into the shredder afterwards because they're retarded and don't know what's best for them and the natural inclination of the average voter is towards dumb shit like cutting healthcare spending so they get a 0.000005% tax break.
>>2202034It's mostly fucking plastic. There are corpses on Mt Everest that are decades old where the UV still hasn't done much to the plastic jackets except fade them a bit.
Also it looks real enough to me. Chin on the gun barrel while he holds it (arms fell down after death) and the AK doesn't have much recoil.
There are plenty of videos of soldiers from both sides offing themselves because they are badly wounded and know it would take days to extract them from the line of contact.
>>2202036The simple fact of the matter is the idea that USSR = Russian empire is a Eurocentric falsification meant to explain Europe's suicide and self-division through a kind of Russian continuity. India was an extracted possession divided and managed by a trade company and old collaborator elites while being acquired through great power rivalries and expansion during colonial world system expansion. The USSR was a union dedicated to avoiding the pitfalls of nationality, let alone race and its caste system intrinsic to colonialism, as Europe destroyed itself through it because it was separated from the chains of great powers and their global system altogether. It basically has no relation to the age of discovery and is probably the first example of a European empire decolonizing - and getting kicked out of Europe for it.
But who gives a fuck. These people failed to create a European system despite the best conditions for it ever, a way of overcoming nationality that had a way better strat, yet it's internally antagonistic and perpetually at war with its surroundings which is a failure of bourgeois democracy. There's no further need to pay attention to the views of 20th century history that serve as founding myth for the system. Butthurt belters have no anti-colonial intellectual contribution to make in understanding the world's empires, they serve such things.
>>2202038A lot of force gets exerted when you're shot, the chances of someone shooting themselves and saying upright with their chin resting on the barrel which is propping up a lifeless body is very low, let alone after months of being subject to the elements. If someone is shooting themselves because they're mortally wounded, then chances are they'd be lying down rather than sitting up right.
This also wouldn't be the first time that Ukrainian soldiers have toyed with the bodies of Russian soldiers, they love creating these kinds of images as it's supposed to convey a few things about the enemy
>Fear>Cowardice>Demoralisation>UnwillingnessAll of which you'd expect from a military that is losing, not one that is winning.
>>2202047Nah the force imparted by 5.45mm going through the chin out the top of the head is small. It might move the head a few cm. I've put down farm animals with more powerful cartridges and there wasn't much movement from the impact.
If you've been watching combat footage for the past decade you'd have seen plenty of headshots and some executions. I've also seen plenty of photos of gun shot suicides with rifles, and they usually slouched forward not get blown back.
Also, doesn't matter if your side is winning if you are at least a day from a hospital and have a gut wound.
>>2202056It doesn't really matter if it's by a few cm or not, getting a lifeless body to sit upright at all is unlikely, so any amount of force is going to make that a near impossibility.
>and they usually slouched forward not get blown back.The unfortunate cadaver isn't slouching forward, it has been placed against a tree to sit it up.
>Also, doesn't matter if your side is winning if you are at least a day from a hospital and have a gut wound.That's not the point of the propaganda value such images are created to provide.
But admittedly I don't watch suicide videos, so perhaps you are more of an expert on this.
>>2202046It's not really a falsification, but a misunderstanding that is quite regular even in these countries themselves.
>>2202079 mentions it in regards to Britain. Many people like the idea of a continuous lineage from something like the roman empire, usually because they or their ideology can't handle the complexity of history. That's the same reason China and USSR tend to emphasize their pre-capitalist history: most people aren't educated enough to go past this kind of thinking and it works for propaganda purposes.
I dislike this attitude towards the people, it looks like something both socialist projects could have done much better on, but then we live in the age when 60% of the earth's population has instant access to unthinkable amounts of information and they didn't up until recently.
>>2202083 (me)
It's just a cheap narrative that many people adopt, and as we found out, there is nothing the west loves more than a cheap narrative
>>2201909if you look to plebbit and ask a average baltoid his opinion of communism, this would be their response
stalin was too merciful of turning the baltic countries into a sea or a radiactive cobalt sea, or sent them all to gulags, this is one of the reason socialism is good, if any fash or ultranationalist vozhd was in place like rodzaevsky was in power, the first thing he would do after winning world war 2 agaisnt the nazis would sent the ukranian nationalists, and baltics to the firing wall and russify them
>>2202207and its hilarious how they juxtapose 'commie box' as something opposite to 'huh evropa arkitekturr'
commie boxes were the euro architecture of the 20th century lol
you find em massively in England, France, Austria etc
I would argue that USSR did them even more sexy than the English ones. The USSR actually planned the areas around to fit the building and its purpose. In England its just random af
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>>2201385>The fundamental disagreement here is whether EU and Washington are only pretending to be divided, or if they actually areI believe they actually are. I think that Trump's admin represents a number of interests and aims which are contradictory to the EU that the Democrats and classic Republicans have built. The EU as it exists relies on the US status quo as we've known it up till today, and Trump's gov seems hell bent on overturning that status quo.
From what I've seen the war in Ukraine, or rather the US's shortcomings which have been revealed by it, have demonstrated to some sections of the US bourgeoisie that things can't continue as they are. The US economy and politics have become dominated by interests which are both too big to fail and yet unfit for purpose. The production of artillery shells is a salient example. They aren't producing enough shells and are incapable and unwilling to do so for the same reason: profitability. Increasing output lowers costs, which lowers profits. Building the capacity likewise. And nothing can be done to correct this because the market mechanism prevents it (why would new businesses break into an industry that's already monopolized and which there's no expectation of profit) and government intervention has been made effectively impossible. All it can do now is make a bunch of money available and give it to the producers who promise to increase production, but who instead just take the money and then laugh about it.
I think this split between US oligarchs which are intent upon maintaining the status quo and those trying to overturn it was highlighted by the recent US election, which saw an alliance between dems and never-Trump Republicans.
While the US oligarchy in general is dependent on US hegemony, there are those which recognize that serious changes have to be made in order to survive, and those whose survival are dependent on no changes being made whatsoever due to the brittle fragility of the monopolies they've built. Defense contractors have been whittled down from ~170 in the 90s to 5 today. I think Trump is intent on the "creative destruction" necessary to try and reinduatrialize the US, and whose knock on effects are also going to seriously influence the EU. From what I can see, the conflict between the EU and Trump is at least partially the same political conflict between Trump's faction and those represented by Biden. For the EU, defeating Russia and securing the circumstances aspired to by the Biden admin (subjugation of Russia and control of its resources) is necessary to continue as things are and forestall the changes Trump and his associates are trying to bring about.
Hey guys let's play "Spot the Balt!"
>>2202331Found him! I win!
>>2201536>>2202290>have demonstrated to some sections of the US bourgeoisie that things can't continue as they areTrue. Especially among the (basically fascist) NRx wing. Better to rip the bandaid off and attempt one last shot, than slide into a slow inevitable decline.
They've also given up on the idea of "subjugating" Russia. There's just no glue capable of holding the transatlantic alliance together anymore, especially not when one side is talking about partnering with Moscow whilst officially aiming to annex NATO members. And both sides are sinking into protectionism.
>>2201721I think some are forgetting that 20 (or as early as 10) years ago these proposals were unthinkable. And don't realize just how much the thinking has changed compared to when any form of state subsidies (to industry, agriculture excepting) was considered heretical. Remember, neoliberalism is written into the EU constitution, and members were forced to privatize state firms. The recent protectionism (including against Chinese EVs)? Again, unthinkable 20 years ago. It's a 180 degree turn away from the promotion of "free markets." Towards protectionism, domestic consumption and (EU led) state investment.
<Global equity markets' value was estimated at $124 trillion for 2021 versus $10 trillion for private markets, according to SIFMA and McKinsey.If we were to exchange $100 one billion times in under a minute, we would add $100 billion to the GDP of whatever country we'd find ourselves in.
Finance dominates through "volume" and rent, but not employment, raw output or energy consumption. Porky benefits indirectly (though some more than others) through US export of inflation and net-positive capital flows. But under protectionism they each benefit directly individually.
And they can still (both industrial and finance capital) get their hands on more assets, more consumers, more resources, more places and firms to "invest" in by simply ordering the US military around to annex places like Canada or Greenland.
>>2202361>There's just no glue capable of holding the transatlantic alliance together anymoreYeah, I think that's what's making the EU so desperate to continue this war with Russia. It doesn't seem viable without the cheap inputs available from Russia, and if it's not economically viable then it's just a drain on the US. For the EU, Ukraine is an existential issue.
From this perspective I think all the proclamations about Putin invading Europe in X years if not defeated now can be reinterpreted as the EU saying that they'll go to war with Russia in x years. The EU as it exists now can't exist alongside Russia and vice versa. So maybe Trump is taking them at their word. Okay, have at it, but don't expect us to come bail you out.
>>2202160Euroids: "We're not Nazis, it's all Kremlin propaganda!1!"
Also Euroids: *implicitly compare themselves with Axis without a second thought* (see the 3rd pic with the map)
>>2202903There was a significant Russian demographic in the Baltic nations that needed to be repressed to secure their place in the EU and NATO, since the last thing either organisation wants are ethic Russians (with therefore questionable allegiances) coming to leadership positions and acquiring a veto vote.
The best way to repress Russians and eliminate the possibility they'd win a popular vote is unironically becoming very fascist, because that goes beyond simply seething over historical grievances that people may or may not care about any more, it imposes seething as an expected personality trait for any "true Scotsman".
I'm pretty sure that this was to be replicated in Ukraine as they had the same issue of having a significant Russian population that the EU and NATO simply won't risk coming to a leadership position of one of their member states.
>>2202913That's stupid, because Germany has a lot of Russians and they are fine-ish in regards to fascism, they don't go saluting the sun and wearing swastika, like baltoids or ukrainians.
Germany is soon going to have a third of it's population being non-German btw Baltics' anticommunism is mostly due to significant decrease in living standards and the need to blame communists for failing to provide capitalist states with enough privatizeable loot to live rich despite surrendering local markets to westoid companies. It's a really fucking stupid argument, but it works for them because there's no other opinion allowed
>>2202928>these people still had sberbank and state money for all kinds of projectsThis is the #1 reason why I am quite repelled by the times people are positive about the Russian government itself. They are just fine with liberals, islamists, fascists etc. It's just that history forced these groups into siding with western capital and so Russia reciprocates now. They will stop at some point in the future.
>>2202930lil bro can't handle history, must bow to liberals who won't ever be on your side
>>2202932>they are racist because they are anticommunists and want to believe that Russia was colonizing themSure, that's the idealism they present as being the problem, but the material reason is that they
can't won't allow Russians to have any political sway which is difficult when they're nearly a quarter of your population or represent a majority in different voting regions, it's also difficult to navigate such repression when subject to different EU human rights laws (if we presume exceptions aren't being made for the Balts, which I suspect there are) and thus the method is turning everyone into a fascist to avoid legal repression with just social repression.
Lithuania appears to be anomalous compared to the other two Baltic states in terms of only being 5% Russian, but this document suggests that's because Lithuania sought integration of Russians compared to the attempts of repression and expulsion committed by the other two, as for why Lithuania therefore bothers with shaving off the CCCP inscriptions from manhole covers? I dunno, perhaps signalling support for their allies tearing down monuments celebrating the defeat of the Nazis in the most milquetoast way possible that avoids undoing the integration of Russians they'd successfully achieved.
>>2202934Yes, and because of that, nationalist sentiments later led to those 3 countries abolishing the USSR
It was the "inherent russianness" of the rsfsr that destroyed communism.
>>2202942Youncan just make shit up these days
Always fascinated by hysteria-as-entertainment, same with "china is collapsing" shit.
When did it first emerge?
>>2202969>nationalists weren't a problem until they wereOk
One of the main anti-ussr arguments before it was dismantled was "we russians do everything, it's our country, stop feeding and sending money to the useless republics"
>>2202990Yes, and those nationalists actually wanted a maintained union of Russia/Ukraine/Belarus due to shared ethnicity. They wanted to dump the Asian SSRs.
They were only the ones to initiate the break-up because they were coordinating together and thought they needed to do it before the "Stalinist hardliners" could restore order.
And that's why after the break-up there was still economic and military integration between those core countries until the Ukrops got their coup in Ukraine.
>>2203012>harder to track downDude, any american or westoid or foreigner visiting your country was always under suspicion. CIA, and westoid secret services, have always used random ass tourists for spying - either offering money, or sitting them down as random encounters and asking about stuff, or straight up asking them to be patriotic and spy for the fatherland
People can't believe that USSR actually had that many spies because they don't understand what espionage entails. And USSR probably had the most efficient spies in the world because Soviets had maps of every major westoid city done in much better detail than even westoids themselves had
>>2203298Anybody who says they have an idea of casualty ratios is lying or is being fed misinformation.
>>2203300And? You'll be cheering on videos of those same forcibly conscripted guys getting FPV'd the next week. I don't understand why people like you haven't volunteered yet. The war is going swimmingly well for the Russian military and each Russian soldier is killing ukrops left and right, no? You should go check it out yourself.
>>2203303Explain the body exchange ratios
>>2203188
>And?And what? You're the one saying that Ukrainian soldiers are epic and winning and could never fall to demoralization because they're winning so hard.
>>2203311>And what? You're the one saying that Ukrainian soldiers are epic and winning and could never fall to demoralization because they're winning so hard.Read my post again you fucking moron. Imagine telling French soldiers at Verdun that they're just cannon fodder. Well duh, they are - but are they supposed to take that seriously when they can see the poor bastards on the other side getting mowed down just like they are? You and
>>2203320 are STILL FUCKING CAUGHT ON THIS BULLSHIT even 3 years into this conflict. Any criticism must be deflected because you can't think for even a single fucking second.
>>2203303>Anybody who says they have an idea of casualty ratios is lying or is being fed misinformation.https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-32825-putin-vows-to-finish
>Again we’ve had an exchange of bodies, or cargo 200, between the two sides.
>If you thought the last numbers were jaw-droppingly unbelievable, this time is even worse:
>Recall the Ukrainian side confirms the figures of Russian bodies they return, but do not confirm the number of Ukrainian bodies Russian returns to them, for reasons which seem obvious.
>I’ve been covering every exchange since last year, and last time we had the ratio as follows:
> Russian losses: 429< Ukrainian losses: 4,304 Ratio: 10.03 to 1
>Now we add to it today’s numbers, and get:
>Russian losses: 464<Ukrainian losses: 5,213Ratio: 11.24 to 1
>Note the Russians actually got 35 military bodies, the remaining 8 were civilian.
>As jarring as the disparity might seem, I obviously do not realistically think the KIA ratio is quite that lopsided in reality, but I’m simply reporting the facts as they are. The exchange of bodies shows an incredibly lopsided record—justify it however you’d like for yourself. As usual, there’ll be the claims of “Russians are moving forward so they pick up more bodies”, and as usual I counter with: “Russians are moving forward because they’re killing more Ukrainians, forcing the AFU to retreat.” If AFU was winning and killing more Russians, then Russians wouldn’t be “moving forward.” If you’ve been watching the Kursk footage you’d know how bad the kill ratio is up there—virtual mountains of AFU corpses are littering every street. Trump's Rewritten 'Deal' With Ukraine Is Imposed Indentured Servitude
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2025/03/trumps-rewritten-deal-with-ukraine-is-imposed-indentured-servitude.html
>The Trump administration wants to press Ukraine into infinite indentured servitude for payments and weapons previously delivered by the Biden administration with no conditions attached to them.
>Hedge fund mogul and U.S. Secretary of the Treasury Scott Bessent has (re-)written the 'mineral deal':
< U.S. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent said on Wednesday Ukraine may sign an economic deal next week …< "We have passed along a completed document for the economic partnership (that) is currently being reviewed by Ukrainians, and we hope to go to full discussions and perhaps even get signatures next week," Bessent said.
< Trump said on Monday he expects a U.S.-Ukraine revenue-sharing agreement on Ukrainian critical minerals to be signed soon.
>The (former) Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelenski acknowledged the arrival of the agreement (machine translation):
< President Volodymyr Zelensky said that the United States offered Ukraine a new version of the agreement on minerals . During the press conference , he stressed that the issue of Ukrainian nuclear power plants is not in it.
< "This is a big full deal for the American side, from the steps that were taken earlier. A framework agreement, you remember, and after the framework agreement, the full agreement is developed. Now the American side has offered our side a big deal at once, their vision," Zelensky said.
>The deal, see below, is anything but an 'offer'.
>Zelenski should have signed the earlier 'framework agreement'. It would have allowed to later stall on the implementation. Now he will be pressed to sign on to the details.
>The new 'big deal at once' is a 'horror' for Ukraine (machine translation):
< A new version of the agreement on minerals between Ukraine and the United States, in which, as reported by ZN.UA, now the American side wants control not only over the extraction of rare earth metals, but all the minerals of Ukraine and the infrastructure associated with their extraction, provides for unlimited US control over Ukrainian resursans and with the right of veto of the Americans on their extraction by Ukraine. At the same time, the United States does not offer any security guarantees, and such a monopoly should be a "payment" for the already provided US assistance to Ukraine, said Yaroslav Zheleznyak, a People's Deputy of Ukraine.
< "I received this document from our officials yesterday.This is not the final document. And I hope the Ukrainian side will demand and achieve significant changes to it. But the text that I saw is straight horror. All 18 sections … this is no longer a framework memorandum of intent (which was before the scandalous meeting in the Oval Office). This is a very big and very clear deal. And it is not in our direction," he wrote in his Telegram.
>The legal text has 60(!) pages. Its main points, according to Zheleznyak, are these (machine translation):
< The Fund is managed by five people, three of whom are from the United States and will have full veto power;> We are talking about all minerals, including oil, gas and undeveloped deposits throughout Ukraine;< we are talking about mining by both public and private campaigns;> the Fund's money will be immediately converted into foreign currency and withdrawn abroad. If suddenly, for some reason, something did not reach the Ukrainian side, Ukraine pays extra;< US contribution - assistance already provided to us from 2022 (according to the Kiel Institute, US assistance to Ukraine in 2022-2024 is estimated at $ 119.7 billion)> The United States can choose to make a profit. At the same time, they will receive "royalties" from the Fund first (and then Ukraine) +4%.< The agreement will be valid indefinitely> Changes to the agreement or its completion are only possible with the permission of the United States;< US priority right to all new infrastructure projects and veto the sale of resources to other countries.
>This 'deal' is pure extortion and robbery. It would bind Ukraine indefinitely. It would also discourage any investment in any natural deposits in Ukraine. There is no chance that any such deal will be ratified by the Ukrainian parliament.
>Why wonders then: Why does the Trump administration even bother? >>2203348>>Why wonders then: Why does the Trump administration even bother? just as the biden administration sought to engineer a specific Russian reaction of an escalatory invasion into a limited regional war. As a stable regional peace does nothing for expanding the extractive frontier yet a potential continental war is beyond the scope of NATO manufacturing capacity.
The trump administration does not desire the ever-increasing opportunity cost of military support for Ukraine versus stockpiling against China, but equally does not wish to incur the loss of political capital from a naked 'abandonment' of a proxy. Thus must create a tailored scenario where continued US support is so unacceptably indentured that they themselves take the initiative to publicly reject (not just 'disagree on details') allowing a politically cheap retrenchment west for less loss of face. If the deal (and thus long term military support to protect these newly owned assets) was real better to give the politically spent agent Z the Ngo Dinh Diem in the back of a Bradley in kiev and run zaluzhy for a second wind of support for ukraine.
Secret Pentagon memo on China
https://archive.ph/5kUeRTLDR:
China has been declared the only main threat for the US.
The main task: to prevent the capture of Taiwan by China. This is considered the key scenario under which the entire US defense architecture will be built.
ALL OTHER THREATS (RUSSIA, IRAN, DPRK, TERRORISM) - secondary.
NATO must take on much greater responsibility, since the US will not be able to simultaneously confront China and support Europe.
The document directly states that IN THE EVENT OF RUSSIAN MILITARY AGGRESSION, EUROPE SHOULD CONTAIN IT INDEPENDENTLY. The US can only provide those forces that are not involved in defending the homeland or in deterring China.
The US will still support nuclear deterrence against Russia, but will not provide significant conventional forces.
The US Army must guarantee control over the Panama Canal and ensure a military presence in the “near abroad”: Greenland, Panama, etc.
The strategy contains the idea of expanding nuclear forces and a new conceptual missile defense system - “Golden Dome”.
The defense of Taiwan is the only scenario model according to which a major war is planned.
It is planned to strengthen the US military presence in the region, in particular, submarines, bombers, drones, special units of the army and marines.
>>2203428no.
someone blew up a car of the same make as putin's motorcade but it was just parked by itself in front of a restaurant.
>>2203459Taiwan is potentially a trap for the United States; i.e, if the USN pulls the trigger and the PLAN returns fire, it could end up with the USN being sunk and the USAF being wrecks on tarmacs.
The fixation on Chinese ground forces in Taiwan is either an admission of defeat or utter stupidity, because China almost certainly won't put troops into Formosa except to accept a surrender.
Honey, New official version just dropped! (long article)
The Partnership: The Secret History of the War in Ukraine<This is the untold story of America’s hidden role in Ukrainian military operations against Russia’s invading armies.https://archive.is/20250329234004/https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/03/29/world/europe/us-ukraine-military-war-wiesbaden.html
>[…]
>With the doors closed to the press and public, Mr. Austin’s counterparts hailed him as the “godfather” and “architect” of the partnership that, for all its broken trust and betrayals, had sustained the Ukrainians’ defiance and hope, begun in earnest on that spring day in 2022 when Generals Donahue and Zabrodskyi first met in Wiesbaden.
>Mr. Austin is a solid and stoic block of a man, but as he returned the compliments, his voice caught.
>“Instead of saying farewell, let me say thank you,” he said, blinking back tears. And then added: “I wish you all success, courage and resolve. Ladies and gentlemen, carry on.”
>FIN>>2203420lol china witnessed what happened to russia expecting flowers from kiev. zero chance
i thought they were about to start a war with iran. maybe netanyahu will see this article and ruin their plans
>>2201690THEY HAVEN'T REPLACED THE MANHOL COVER SINCE AT LEAST 1991
AND THEY AREN'T EVEN REPLACING IT NOW, JUST COVERING UP WHO MADE IT FOR THEM
HOLY SHIT HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH
>>2203921It doesn't make sense to grind off the markings instead of replacing them, if you want to erase all evidence of socialist construction then only replacement with "superior capitalist manhole cover technology" makes sense. The manhole covers will always show signs of having had an angle grinder used on them and if anyone asks what happened to the covers, everyone will recall the reporting of having all the CCCP markings removed.
It's beyond pointless, it's ironically drawing attention to the manhole covers and their origins when youths probably never even noticed or cared that they had CCCP on them, but this does raise the inevitable question of why couldn't they just be replaced if Soviet = Bad
>>2203348With the deal of being absorbed into Russia (capitalist hellhole) and becoming a US not just puppet but some kind of haitian colonial hellhole(seen that the conditions imposed are similar to the ones imposed to the nascent black republic)
Why do even bother in fighting?? Propaganda? Nationalism? Not talking about the neonazi batallions, or do their command is so vast?
Its practically masochism
>>2204193the nazis have run the educational system for over a decade now and indoctrinated an entire generation of Ukrainians.
everyone else largely steps in line out of fear of getting arrested and tortured to death by the SBU.
>>2204197Then the SBU should be the one that flips to allow that their fucking country should not be put on a wall in Tucson alongside other banana republics.
If they claim being patriotic and not just tools of the meatgrinder
Not only that, but top and bottom, soldiers organized and gaining councience of what is at stake. I can only hope for the best for the uki comrades
>A newly issued internal Pentagon document setting priorities for the US armed forces reportedly calls for focusing on preparing for a potential conflict with China and leaving all other potential “threats,” such as Russia and Iran to America’s allies, the Washington Post has claimed.https://swentr.site/news/614984-pentagon-biggest-threat-secret-memo/So basically the EU+5Eyes deals with DPRK, Iran, Russia, etc. henceforth while the US deals with fucking China?!
In terms of splitting duties (undemocratically) this is the biggest cope and day dream I've seen formulated by Washington.
https://gilbertdoctorow.com/2025/03/29/major-policy-statements-by-putin-in-murmansk-on-27-march-that-western-media-have-ignored/
>Putin told the crew on the Arkhangelsk that Russia has the strategic initiative along the entire line of confrontation in the Donbas and Kursk and is proceeding with liberating its territory. In Lugansk oblast, 98% of the territory is now in Russian hands. In Donetsk, Kherson and Zaporozhie, more than 70% of the land is now controlled by the Russians.
>At the same time, he noted changes in the enemy forces that bear upon the further conduct of the war and on its outcome. Specifically, the neo-Nazi Azov battalion that from the first days after the coup d’etat of 2014 was a major force determining government policy in an extreme nationalist direction, notwithstanding their integration into the regular armed forces of Ukraine have kept their Nazi ideology and behavior intact and now appear to be taking control of the army. Azov units played a big role in the invasion and occupation of the Kursk oblast, where they committed atrocities against the civilian population and left their swastikas on facades of buildings, as Russian television has shown.
>These observations by Putin must be put together with news separately reported by the Ministry of Defense that the Ukrainians have been violating the terms of the partial cease-fire dating from 18 March and have been attacking Russian energy infrastructure each day, causing severe damage to some important gas and oil installations. This suggests that Zelensky has lost control over his own armed forces. Accordingly, the Russian Ministry has announced that it reserves the right to suspend the cease-fire at any time and to respond in kind by renewing attacks on the energy facilities of Ukraine.
>All of the foregoing must be taken into consideration when we look at the single most important part of what Vladimir Putin said on board the submarine Arkhangelsk on the 27th.
>He returned to the issue which Russia raised some months ago when responding to candidate Trump’s proposal to broker a cease-fire in the first days after taking office, namely Russian objections that Ukraine does not have a legitimate president with whom a lasting agreement can be negotiated. Putin now added that since all Ukrainian officials are appointed by their president, there is no legitimate government in Ukraine at any level.
>For this reason, he now proposed that Ukraine must be put under temporary management from outside, and he called for this to be undertaken by the United Nations. In that case, the USA, Europe, Russia, China and other members of the Security Council would be jointly responsible for that temporary external control, whose job it would be to supervise free and fair elections and install a new government corresponding to the wishes of the Ukrainian people. That government would then enter into negotiations for a treaty that will end the war.
>Without saying it directly, Putin was indicating Russia’s next scenario should the ongoing U.S.-brokered cease-fire and peace fail.
>That his proposal would not meet with approval by other interested parties was surely taken for granted. Indeed, no sooner did Putin make his proposal than UN Secretary General Antonio Gutterez declared that Ukraine does have a legitimate government. We may assume that the EU will say the same shortly.
>No matter. Putin intended his proposal to be a scenario that would be activated after the present talks fail, after the Russians finally smash the Ukrainian armed forces and force a capitulation. This could happen after the Russian army pushes back the Ukrainians to the Dnepr River. Given that Russia has no interest in taking all of Ukraine, it would then call for the outside collective management of the rump Ukrainian state until a proper government could be elected for conclusion of a peace treaty. *
>Apart from Putin’s remarks on board the Arkhangelsk, which is a general-purpose ship with a variety of missiles on board, he also officiated remotely at the commissioning of another new nuclear submarine, the Perm, which is the first of its kind carrying primarily Zirkon nuclear armed hypersonic cruise missiles with 1,000 km range. In a separate statement about the Perm, he said that it was capable of leveling London to the ground. This was a delayed response to recent statements coming from British defense officials that their four Trident submarines could destroy 40 Russian cities, a notion which Russian military experts have trashed in state television broadcasts.
>It is also worth noting, that while in Murmansk, Putin spoke about the sharp increase in naval shipbuilding now going on in Russia, much of it in the shipyards of St Petersburg. He was accompanied to Murmansk and seconded in his explanations of the new navy vessels now under construction by Andrei Kostin, CEO of the VTB (former USSR Foreign Trade Bank), who has been put in charge of the shipbuilding industry as well. Note that Kostin, like his bank, is now highly visible in Russia. VTB commercials fill the airwaves during television intermissions, largely replacing the ad space previously taken by the country’s largest savings bank, Sber.
>Kostin is a strong Putin supporter and a hard-line patriot. He has now taken the place in public life formerly held by Sber chairman German Gref, who was one of the last prominent Liberals in the Putin entourage. >>2204090That was known at the time. The Ukrainian special forces have been everywhere Russia is including helping jihadis ambush Wagner in Africa.
After Putin is forced to take over Ukraine these people will be American mercenaries like the Cuban exiles after the revolution.
>>2204824Nobility will, indeed, be part of the airforce. If they partake.
It's also why shooting at bailing air-crew is a warcrime, but routing infantry isn't.
>EU vs USFriendly reminder Lenin predicted this >100 years ago
<"Only for the purpose of jointly suppressing socialism in Europe, of jointly protecting colonial booty against Japan and America, who have been badly done out of their share by the present partition of colonies, and the increase of whose might during the last fifty years has been immeasurably more rapid than that of backward and monarchist Europe, now turning senile."https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1915/aug/23.htmIt simply took longer than he thought it would.
The imperial core is splitting into two imperialist blocs, with the nat bourg of both seeing the other as threats and long term competitors, and wanting the rest of the world (Ukraine, Greenland, Russia, Africa, Middle East) for themselves.
>>2204878I mean its more like the US kicking out the EUoids because they want more loot and the EUoids milling about like a kicked puppy.
The financial bourg are trans-atlantic, and it is the industrial bourg who have suffered from US actions in Ukraine but who have the least power.
>>2204880The financial bourg are more transatlantic, but even the likes of BlackRock afaik heavily skew towards managing NA and non-EU assets. Pension funds are generally "global", but even in terms of banks NA/EU generally stick to their "own".
When Trump is complaining about Canadian and EU regulations (regarding banking and sectors), he's not coming up with that on his own.
EUoids too want a bigger slice of the loot, and also want to kick out their burger competitors (including in arms procurement). They were able to bond over the promise of balkanizing and looting Russia. Without this there's not much to bond over.
Bombing Iran? This will hurt, not benefit the EU economy. Africa? There's not much left to "loot" which hasn't already been secured. There's little incentive to invest in productivity considering imports are met, and doing so would also risk cutting dependency on aid.
African states are forced to embrace the cutthroat neoliberal "free market" (by the IMF and World Bank) whilst EUoids subsidize agriculture and dump their produce, forcing African economies to mostly produce cash crops or sell other (mineral) commodities.
The last person who really tried to change this died in a ditch after being sodomized with a bayonet.
War with China? Would be really really bad for EU firms and EU economies in the short term.
It's because of the 1990s looting of eastern europe, China "opening up", 9/11 and Ukraine the transatlantic alliance lasted as long as it did. And the only way it was going to continue to survive was to find new places to loot and subjugate. Without this, it was never going to last without Europe acting as completely subservient vassals (no major EU firms able to compete with American counterparts, no independent EU policies whatsoever, better yet: no euro, no EU).
It's somewhat similar to what happened prior to WW1, especially the growing tensions between Berlin and London.
>>2204907If Le Pen ever won a French election she'd ship weapons to Ukraine just like how Meloni won in Italy and did the same.
Russia trying to bet on "right populist" movements is retarded.
>>2204907Thinking about this since i read it.
See no way this will not backfire.
>>2204902He stated he's not signing the deal, doesn't accept the aid previously given as debt, and won't sign any deal if it puts "future EU membership" at risk.
It's a very clear "you'll accept your status as a subservient colony into perpetuity and if you don't we'll cut all aid". Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
I don't think there's a way to weasel themselves out of this one. And the new plan is simply to rely on the EU and their rearmament even if they lose the entire east half of the country.
Maybe all of eastern Ukraine will fall within a year or by 2026, but they'll be able to use the Dnepr as a giant moat. The further west you go, the more ukronationalist Banderites you find. So it's more "secure" in the electoral sense. Maybe they'll even hold elections to give Z (or someone like Budanov, Zaluzhnyi, maybe Poroshenko) another five years of "legitimacy".
I don't think an amphibious invasion of the west bank is feasible, so that would mean having to go through Belarus, again. Which some EUoids (Macron) have stated is a "red line".
They're already working very hard to bar all euroskeptics from running in national elections (>>2204907), or at least contain them and keep them out of government.
But it's still a few years off. So no idea what will happen by then. (Macron could be gone even before 2027 if there are early elections, Merz might turn out to be an even bigger hawk). Maybe EU states will begin flooding what's left of Ukraine with "trainers", and then troops to "protect" the "trainers". They're already prepping the public for a future war.
I think this conflict is even more existential to the EU than it is to Moscow. It's also the perfect excuse to chop up European social security in favor of (industry) porky handouts.
>>2204925I think a lot of people underestimate Macron. He's a ruthless political operator. He reminds me a bit of Erdogan and Netanyahu.
French porkies love his policies too. Even the proposed wealth tax is ultimately another subsidy to French firms and their owners. Besides, cutting out American firms is going to make them even richer. (Over ~300 billion USD worth of US-EU imports could be shifted primarily to French and German firms, that's roughly half of the net worth of the French 1%)
>>2204938>Maybe EU states will begin flooding what's left of Ukraine with "trainers", and then troops to "protect" the "trainers".Macron, Starmer and a couple others already agreed to do that soon.
>It's also the perfect excuse to chop up European social security in favor of (industry) porky On point. One of Merkel's main concerns in a recent interview was to not let a single cent of the giant funds package end up in the social sector/welfare state. After she bailed out the banks with hundreds of billions during the financial crisis her successors push even more into the pockets of arms manufacturer porky. Serving the bourgeoisie was and still is the most important thing for EUrocrats of all sorts.
>>2204951Or you know it's because Russian porkies themselves are actual fashoids outdone only by the likes of Thielbros across the Atlantic, and the only thing preventing Russia from careering off into the abyss (like America) is the KPRF and the remnants of the Russian Left holding on by a thread. (Russian reactoids are always going to have to content with the fact their "civilization state" had a successful history of socialism, and there still remain millions of people around who remember when their country wasn't run by "traditionalist" porkoids)
Which is also why oligarch rags like Lenta (was it Lenta? they all sound the same) and others are pushing anti-communist filth these days (muh "red ideas").
No one here would excuse this if it happened in the EU, America, Israel, any other "international community" state, or even places like China, India, Iran, South Africa or Brazil.
>>2204973Is that Korean? Kind of sad how
>Wouldn't *you* want to have stopped the Nazis if you could!? This is your chance! It's happening again!is now a global rhetorical argument, even in places that have their own tragedies from WW2.
Although personally, I'd probably make the comparison between Kiev backed groups burning down buildings with protestors inside and openly stating they will shell separatists and their children into submission with the Jeju Massacre.
>>2204979Pretty based. It walks the fine line between cheering on neolibs, and going out of your way to defend Le Pen (who is just as vile as Macron) because not doing so would be "hypocrisy"
Le Pen was tolerated when she was making "Leftists" and migrant (workers) uncomfortable, but now she's become a nuisance. Regardless of her anti-Russian stance. I also doubt Macron likes competitors, and he's going about eliminating his opposition with a lot more finesse than Erdogan has.
She's also opposed to pension reform. She's almost as anti-Russian as Macron, but to the establishment she's still too "left".
Eurocrats prefer someone like Meloni: Reactionary, Anti-Russian but also in porky's pocket.
>>2204981I don't think "the left" should carry water for people like Le Pen (and perhaps more controversially, figures like Wagenknecht), but I also don't think it should be brushed aside why someone like Le Pen is cracked down upon, but Meloni is tolerated.
>>2204990They can always run Bardella, he's younger and I assume more "malleable". I doubt French porkies (and the rest of the neolib establishment) will have any issues ditching Macron if Bardella is willing to continue all the same policies. Similar to what happened to Mitterrand and Hollande.
Of course there's a threat it will lead to NFP gaining in the polls, but I'm sure they'll use some means to ratfuck The Left out of "winning" again. They'll whip up hysteria about Russia, cut down on the neolib rhetoric (temporarily), maybe some xenophobic appetizers. And if all else fails they (assuming they can get away with it) will use some bullshit technicality to remain in power.
The more the conflict with Russia escalates and the more the transatlantic alliance disintegrates, the more the stakes grow in these elections. Romania (Georgescu) and now Le Pen are the opening salvos. Either you accept the new program (Rearmament, austerity, protectionism, great power bloc competition vis-a-vis Russia and the US) or they'll find ways to prevent you from running.
>>2205004Perhaps a hot take, but I don't think the outcome of the war matters anymore in regards to the general trends. (Including the Eurocrat desire to subjugate and balkanize Russia)
The "logic" driving the EU is becoming increasingly fascist (protectionism, expansionism, belligerence, erosion of "liberal democracy", aside from the usual anti-communism), regardless of what happens on the battlefield, the same goes for Washington.
Likewise similar to what happened to Imperial Japan following 1905 and WW1, regardless of how the war ends the question will remain whether Russian oligarch (haute bourgeoisie) interests will be "allowed" to win decisively, neutering the Russian "Left" forever, or if the latter will be able to rein in the first, and set Russia on a different path.
It's how neither Danzig or the ultimatum to Serbia in early 1914 were going to make a difference to the overall trajectory of all the states involved in the first and second world wars. In our case the ship sailed back in 2022.
>>2205011Yes, I think the determinate factor that has changed the course for a lot of western institutions for the rest of the 21st century, is that broadly the west's call to arms over Russia doing the unthinkable in moving an inch westward was met with such a lukewarm-to-non-existent response.
It was bad enough that already 30 years after the end of history, Russia still hadn't been isolated and suffocated into nothingness, but that they could pull off such a gambit and survive at all is extremely concerning, furthermore nations that were neutral to Russia continuing to be neutral towards Russia despite *strong* demand for them to toe the line NATO put forth really demonstrates to the current powers that be in Washington and the EU how loose their grip on the world had become
despite raking in evermore profits, with Washington and the EU now being split on how the ship should be righted, or if it should even be righted for everyone.
>>2205011If Russia capitulated tomorrow how would that benefit us? The gains from the Ukraine crisis haven't been locked in yet, we'd be set back to the 2021 unipolar era
I think the Russian capitalist issue is overstated. The characteristics of this class have changed dramatically. The owners of Russian capital, thanks to the crisis, have been excluded from their international (western) peers. Nowadays Russian porky gets replaced if they hold more than 1 nationality. these are preferable conditions for the Russian left
autocorrect typo fix>>2205028>If Russia capitulated tomorrow how would that benefit us?Russian capitulation would be bad, but I'm more talking about the US-EU split and larger trends. Capitulation followed by balkanization followed by a dozen or more reactionary comprador states doesn't benefit us. But one side side winning while "the left" is crushed doesn't benefit us either. (See Imperial Japan after 1905/WW1)
Likewise, the Russian bourgeoisie becoming purely "national" in character doesn't prevent them from going full fash. Nor would a foreign bourgeoisie prevent "the left" from using exactly this as a pretext for the struggle against capitalism within Russia.
It's dangerous either way. The Indonesian communist party was destroyed during "peacetime", the Bolsheviks thrived during the civil war. Whilst the Spanish Reds were destroyed during their civil war, but communists in Kerala continue to thrive till this day.
What's going to save the Russian left is not a particular outcome (out of both) but the level of organization and popular support among Russian communists generally.
I also don't think the capitulation and dissolution of Russia would change anything anything about the current trajectory of the EU or the transatlantic split (and issues like Canada or Greenland). Instead it will simply become another area of competition. "Buy European" and Eurocrats wanting to replace American firms with their own has very little to do with Russia, and more with their own interests and ambitions. Trump is an convenient excuse to kickstart an agenda French and German capitalists and Eurocrats have long been longing for
>>2205016It would unironically have been better to do nothing at all. The illusion of "unipolarity" could have held for a little longer if they had simply let Kiev fold.
Another alternative was inviting both sides into the alliance. But this would have resulted in too big of a tent. Risking "Europe" moving away from Washington down the line regardless.
Instead the unsatisfactory outcome has dissolved the glue holding both sides of the Atlantic together. (though it's not the only factor) Which as far as the "west" goes is a worse outcome than if Ukraine had ceased to exist back in 2022.
>>2205098Oh look, another
>Stop supporting imperialism bro, just be neutral to NATO expansion bro, there's nothing else to analyse bropost.
>>2205062>Russian bourgeoisie becoming purely "national" in character doesn't prevent them from going full fashwho said it would? a bourgeois class with interests overlapping Russian state interests that subvert them is 100% preferable to a Russian prole working for a boss that lives in London
>What's going to save the Russian left is not a particular outcome (out of both) but the level of organization and popular support among Russian communists generallyits a nice platitude, but only one outcome makes such organizing possible, Russia winning in Ukraine. If there is a bourgeois character of the Russian side of this war, I don't see it, especially since the Russian owners of capital have lost more than they could ever hope to gain by crossing the border into Ukraine.
>I also don't think the capitulation and dissolution of Russia would change anything anything about the current trajectory of the EU or the transatlantic splitMaybe not Russia itself, but there are certainly ways for the transatlantic friendship to be rekindled, like Europe electing Trump friendly figures
>>2203348>>Why wonders then: Why does the Trump administration even bother? Don the Con is still sending military aid to Ukraine and sharing intel. I'm glad I waited a week before changing my desktop wallpaper to a garish pro-Trump one, per my bet with /chug/gies.
There isn't even any vigor now in Don the Con's attempts to get a mineral deal - just some lame statement about Zelensky having "big problems" while Zelensky still bends Don the Con over a table and pounds him into giving aid/intel.
Wouldn't surprise me if the ostensible drama between Don the Con and Zelensky is all a manufactured ruse to make continued Ukraine support more palatable to MAGAtards. If so, there's the explanation for why Don the Con has "flip-flopped" by expressing anger (per NBC article) that Putin has called into question Zelensky's legitimacy as a leader: Don the Con's own declaring of Zelensky as a dictator and his own demanding of Ukrainian elections were part of a ruse to suck up to Russia and try to get a complete ceasefire, but the Kremlinoids didn't budge, and now Don the Con's goldfish memory has forgotten about that Pentagon- and RAND-inspired scheme, and he's left revealing his sincere impulses without any awareness of coherence with the past.
>>2205170Russian state really wants to push for whiteguard's kind of fascism, they want t continue talking about le ebil Stalin, but any time they try, all those fascoid personalities turn out to be anti-Russian and pro-butthurt belt. It's a mystery how this happens, truly
>>2205174Philadelphia roll consumer's hands typed tihs article, and the are Ukrainian
>>2205183>Philadelphia roll consumer's hands typed tihs article, and the are UkrainianThe source for the claim does unironically appear to be a Ukrainian writing for some cookery blog.
I realise that this is how they push back on Putin's diatribe about Ukraine being a made up nation, by just shitting out article after article trying to relate pretty much anything to either Ukraine itself, Ukraine's history, the Ukrainian war and how it's a symbol of its proud resilience, or all three. Where every article then becomes a source for a change to whatever Wikipedia page covers the subject.
Okay all fine if a bit arrogant, but it's an American adaptation of a Japanese food, it's just simply not Ukrainian nor something that isn't also popular in Russia, so it completely fails as an artefact of Ukrainian culture as something independent to either Russian or American culture.
>>2205174>A Philadelphia roll is a makizushi (also classified as a kawarizushi)[1] type of sushi generally made with smoked (or sometimes raw) salmon, cream cheese, and cucumber, with the rice on the outside (uramaki)>In the Pacific Northwest, the Philadelphia roll is often called a Seattle roll.[9] I had some disgusting variation of this, at a all you can eat sushi buffet to be fair, but they didn't call it a Philly roll to my knowledge or PNW roll. I guess everyone in America wants to take credit for this disgusting invention. The Ukrainians can have that one. Let's call it the Ukrainian roll.
You think Slavs would have a version with beets.
<Texan Sushi Roll>Tolled in sushi rice, there’s imitation crab, smoked salmon, avocado, jalapeños and cream cheese. Ukrainians are just the fig-leaf for US operations "Task Force Dragon", according to the New York Times:
>For nearly three years before Mr. Trump’s return to power, the United States and Ukraine were joined in an extraordinary partnership of intelligence, strategy, planning and technology whose evolution and inner workings have been known only to a small circle of American and allied officials.>[…] The idea behind the partnership … To guide the Ukrainians as they deployed their ever-more-sophisticated arsenal, the Americans created an operation called Task Force Dragon.>The secret center of the partnership was at the U.S. Army garrison in Wiesbaden, Germany. Each morning, U.S. and Ukrainian military officers set targeting priorities — Russian units, pieces of equipment or infrastructure. American and coalition intelligence officers searched satellite imagery, radio emissions and intercepted communications to find Russian positions. Task Force Dragon then gave the Ukrainians the coordinates so they could shoot at them.tl;dr:
the Ukraine war is CIA gayops, nothing more
https://web.archive.org/web/20250330194623/https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/30/world/europe/us-ukraine-military-war-takeaways.html>>2205241Yeah it was pretty sick. Found some pictures on google. The fucking rice and cream cheese is trick to keep you from eating the good stuff.
>>2205236>I'm Asian and rice with cream cheese sounds disgusting.It seriously is.
>>2205258drumpf is still sending aid and intel
the only things missing are the atacms attacks on pre-2014 borders, but they didn't accomplish much anyway
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/45_mm_anti-tank_gun_M1942_(M-42)More Wikipedia shenanigans, NAFOids fought pretty hard, based on the history and discussion on the article, to get this WW2 anti-tank gun "confirmed" as having been used by Russia in Lyman based on a particularly grainy (and particularly cringe) drone video.
>You're a dumb zigger stop censoring the valid informationSeemed to win the argument, albeit with a note requiring a better source than Reddit lmao
>>2205482Oh I'm not talking about Russian rightoids promoting Nicholas II as some sort of saint. But actual 1930s fascist drivel combined with the same perverse incentives driving it. They want their mask-off bourgeois dictatorship and are probably more than a little jealous of whats happening in Washington. (The fellating of the Trump admin by some media personalities and channels goes beyond simply pointing out the current American administration is favorable to their interests) But they can't. Organized labor and communists continue to be too strong of an opposition. (See
>>2205074)
>>2205170>Its leaders are too wedded to a corrupt kind of stability for fascismRussia is less stable than people think, as shown not only by Prighozin but the lengths Moscow has had to go in the past to prevent communists from winning local or national majorities. (See 2021)
I also don't think fascism on a structural level is dead (it's never been very coherent on an ideological level), it's instead rising to prominence because national economies are falling to protectionism (and sanctions) among a general global energy crisis.
>>2205183True. And except for some xenophobic jabs against central Asian migrants, they cannot get the Russian public onboard with "Lenin destroyed Russia" and communism being evil. No matter how much they try, no matter how many statues they build to Kolchak, or institutes they name after Ivan Ilyin, figures like Lenin and Stalin will never be as reviled as Hitler, Vlasov and Yeltsin.
They can't even figure out how to make mobilization palatable. Banning strikes and unions? They'd wish, but they can't.
But they keep trying just like they have for 30+ years now.
>>2205131The fight against a comprador (or foreign) bourgeoisie unites people across classes, but the fight against a purely
national bourgeois is easily turned into socialists acting as "traitors" or "sabotaging" the war effort.
I also disagree only one outcome makes this possible, the Russian Civil War is proof of this alone. That doesn't mean one outcome isn't preferable regardless of this (Russian capitulation is going to be as bad as the 1990s) but for Russian communists to "win" the outcome of the war itself is irrelevant.
And whilst it's true some Russian capitalists have lost more than they gained, that's not true for everyone. Several have seen their net worth rise to levels surpassing that of what it was at the start of the SMO, and overall combined they're roughly at the level it used to be before 2022. The growing protectionism and sanctions generally, have not only reshaped the Russian bourgeoisie into being more "national" than ever, but is increasingly leading to a world where capital cannot be exported except through force. And this drives "national" capital and states to further degenerate into fascism.
>>2204969>Or you know it's because Russian porkies themselves are actual fashoids outdone only by the likes of Thielbros across the Atlantic, and the only thing preventing Russia from careering off into the abyss (like America) is the KPRF and the remnants of the Russian Left holding on by a thread.You don't have an understanding of Russian culture or material conditions. It's a very different place from America, Latin America or Europe. The current Russian state is basically the most similar to its historical reactionary form it could be. The tsardom propped itself up as the defender of the peasantry from bad nobles and the defender of the christian people at home and abroad. The ruling class - the land owners - were also given their lands by the tsar, so their existence itself was justified through him. This is a very sharp contrast to America where everyone can supposedly own a plantation if they just work hard enough and the protestant fucking bullshit according to which the ruling class is just chosen by god directly. Europe is a cuck continent where they never even murdered their aristocracy, jezza the brit fella is getting ready to be friendly fired by one of the princesses right now.
The current "bonapartism" as some call it is in reality something that has long historical roots, it is the way the ruling class justified itself historically in Russia. The ruling class didn't fight the peasants on their own, it had to employ a diversion in form of the tsar. The contrast between what the working classes believe and what the ruling class knows about their state was the norm historically, so 80% or 90% socialism support in Russia is not necessarily a problem to porkies. The tsardom ruled over peasant communes and it got by just fine. It's not a freeze on class warfare, it's the best way it can continue to porkies.
It is similar to MAGAs, except imagine a somewhat sane version without all the 1776, christian preachers under every stone, and nazi bullshit. His supposed opposition to the deep state plays a similar function.
>But actual 1930s fascist drivel combined with the same perverse incentives driving it. They want their mask-off bourgeois dictatorship and are probably more than a little jealous of whats happening in Washington. (The fellating of the Trump admin by some media personalities and channels goes beyond simply pointing out the current American administration is favorable to their interests)This may be true, but the reason why isn't the communists - they had their worst elections recently - but the culture. They are trying to make Russia into America with all their bullshit and it's not working, not least because America is itself moving in the direction of Russia for reasons outside their control.
>>2205718I'm aware the Russian state justifies itself in much the same way the monarchy did. Perhaps general culture (similar to Belarus) is indeed more important than the level of organization of communists and unions itself. The same dynamic can be seen in Belarus.
>This is a very sharp contrast to America where everyone can supposedly own a plantation if they just work hard enough and the protestant fucking bullshit according to which the ruling class is just chosen by god directly. Europe is a cuck continent where they never even murdered their aristocracy, jezza the brit fella is getting ready to be friendly fired by one of the princesses right now.I understand what you mean, but French revolutionary and Spanish reds did massacre aristocrats too.
>They are trying to make Russia into America with all their bullshit and it's not working,I've noticed this too.
Yet there simply doesn't exist the same level of enthusiasm for the type of culture war seen across the Atlantic. They're trying many angles (including by copying western anti-trans propaganda 1:1), but they're just not succeeding at whipping up masses into idpol hysteria.
LGBT people are effectively invisible. There's no San Francisco equivalent Russian reactionaries can point their fingers at. There is no Democratic party they can blame (Most governors and mayors are members of United Russia). Exploiting religious divisions is dangerous. So the best they can do is promote a vague sort of "traditionalism" while organizing the occasional crackdown against central Asian migrants.
There is no popular support for the sort of "pension reform" and austerity as seen in the west. Or banning strikes and unions like in Ukraine. And trying to force it through regardless will risk strikes and unrest.
>>2205881Not the point, it's just that the Chinese have an insanely low military spending ratio; they wouldn't even meet NATO standards. The US wastes it all on bases and ships, true, but in a full-scale war, EU + US is a fairly good counter to Russia + China and perhaps even India.
The question to the wisdom of the Chinese strategy lies in how well the Iranians, as SCO members, handle the impending American attack. If, say, they race to nuclearization (doable), and the Americans blink, and make peace with an actually nuclear Iran (a nuclear Iran would be unable to bail out the Palestinians because any Hamas / Hezbollah hits could lead to nuclear escalation between Israel and Iran), then perhaps the Chinese have wisdom, but they'll have to hold the line on Ukraine. If Iran gets bombed, but takes out B-2s, the Indians would have to commit, and the Chinese would have to strike.
That's what I mean by Trump is trying to force the Iranians to nuclearize; it's in Israel's favor because Iran can no longer back the Palestinians.
>>2205892this is literally imperialism
Russia is financially coercing Kazakhstan into keeping the oil price high to fund their war machine even though the Kazakhs may be flooding the market in order to obtain more revenue for social spending.
Putler is evil this is the ultimate proof.
>>2205710>Russia is less stable than people think, as shown not only by Prighozin but the lengths Moscow has had to go in the past to prevent communists from winning local or national majorities. (See 2021)The war showed otherwise. The West bet on Russian instability and lost - there isn't a better test. Prigo was isolated and only had an opportunity as Russian strategy rapidly evolved by early 2023. The KPRF performance was indeed impressive, but it doesn't show state instability. It shows United Russia can be punished given a mix of squabbling over pensions, covid era instability, and Navalny's endorsement of the only real opposition party.
It's more a reminder than the KPRF, although cucked, can seize on where Putin fails to thread the needle of banishing both neolibs and hardliners seeking to challenge the imposed transition to capitalism.
>I also don't think fascism on a structural level is dead (it's never been very coherent on an ideological level), it's instead rising to prominence because national economies are falling to protectionism (and sanctions) among a general global energy crisis. I don't really agree. Fascism is pretty dead and the latter conditions you point to aren't part of its genesis, at least originally anyway. Better to see 21st century political history as a return to the mean rather than the collapse of the international system and the formation of new states and ideologies to replace it with national supremacy.
>>2203921Manhole covers get replaced in the Western EU every 20 years on average which implies two things:
Firstly, 1991 to be chosen as the date to change manhole covers from 1971 would be a gigantic coincidence, because Lithuania was only a proper SSR after 1946. So that means the USSR replaced manhole covers more frequently.
Secondly this also implies the USSR had mire care for their infrastructure than modern Western Europe, which is a standard Lithuania infrastructure can't reach, as they are unable to replace 30 year old manhole covers.
>>2206038<Russian Foreign Ministry warns against strikes on Iranian nuclear infrastructuresI sleep
<Suriyak say it's happeningIt's over for Iran.
>>2206143They were able to pressure some domain registrars and hosts into killing a few 8chan domains, but that's whack-a-mole.
If the libs play their cards right, they could probably get the Trump admin to pressure major backbones into blackholing 4chan at the routing level or even tie up newmoot in legal battles.
>>2206245>russia EU immigration conspiracy<Thats a new one lmaoOh yes, it's quite widely spread idea in Finland for example. Russia done did the 'the hybrid war' against us, by not stopping the the middle eastern refugees from entering Russia in the first place. Refugees that could trave through Russia and claim asylum at any schengen country bordering Russia. After which they could not be turned away by pre 2015 laws and were at least entitled to be taken in for the duration of processing their asylum applications that could take months or years, and receive generous gibs .
It depends if Russians were purposefully shipping and pushing these refugees to the border or just being relaxed in visas in full knowledge that most of them would seek asylum in the EU and Finland. This insidious plot was all Russia's plan to abuse relaxed asylum process of the ultra-woke west and done just to destabilize the west and win Russia relative influence.
there are still like news from only a few years ago floating around that there are hundreds of thousands to millions of primarily middle-eastern refugees in Russia waiting to get into the west and they are a 'Putin's hybrid weapon' to either swamp the Finnish and European societies and welfare state at Putin's whim, or forcing Finnish border guards like shoot people and face international consequences. You probably see the joke here. Russia bad for not blocking refugees into Russia and therefore into EU. Russia bad for holding refugees in Russia just to blackmail us. Russia would also be bad it they had stopped refugees from entering Russia all together, because they would not be cruel to people in need and not support western values.
>>2206351"Ruse" implies competence on the side of Trump.
We don't do that here.
>>2205918It didn't succeed. But the danger remains. Western states don't suffer armed rebellions or have had to go to extreme lengths (until recently) to bar opponents from running. That fact it happens at all or is necessary is telling, similar to how Jan 6 was also a symptom of growing American instability. The same goes for barring Le Pen an Georgescu from running in elections. Things are heating up everywhere.
But I agree that it does proof the KPRF continues to be the
real opposition to United Russia, and not the NGO propped up liberals like the late Navalny.
>Fascism is pretty deadI disagree in that it is the logical conclusion to a national bourgeoisie struggling to survive in an international market. And this what we're seeing again, not only in the form of protectionism and the increasingly incestuous relationship blurring the lines between the military industrial complex and the rest of the economy, but the implication that expansion and survival is only possible through
force. This is also what motivated early 20th century fascism. Leading to a break of great powers merely looting the "underdeveloped" and "backwards" periphery (Africa, Asia, non-Anglo Americas) in favor of taking aim at one another.
Without an international communism to unite against, they will cannibalize each other.
I know this is unconventional, in that usually "fascism" is depicted as a response to communism, but I disagree. You don't need fascists to kill communists. You do need fascism (or end up with fascism) when nat bourg interests require total war against competing great powers (foreign capital).
This is also why German industrialists and bankers backed Hitler.
"Conservatives", liberals and social democrats may have promised to crush communism. But fascists an end to any foreign or domestic competition. Including through expansionism and war.
It's also what makes the second Trump administration distinctly fascist. And also goes to show their motivations have nothing to do with the existence of a strong American communist or labor movement.
>>2206402Priga was probably giving money to small-ish nationalistic telegram channels, or at least gave them an endless source of content. As a result, tg parasites were enamored with him, and now are fondly remembering him - despite the fucking fact that priga did a video where was calling Ukrainians good guys, and the source of war to be Russian oligarchs. And he said that after he was claiming that Ukraine has already seized locations far in the Russia's rear, and after staging a false flag of military attacking wagnerites with a missile
They just memoryhole this shit, and instead want to only believe in priga's pre-betrayal stuff about ammo and military being incompetent - i.e. stuff zhopoholics love
>>2206396I think your analysis is backwards. German natty boug backed Hitler to keep the commies down. He then dragged them into a total war they never asked for.
I think 20th century fascism is dead, apart from LARPers, because there is no organised workers movement seeking the overthrow of capital. That’s why we have things like the Theilites seeking some techno-feudalism or Le Dugin’s fourth political theory. Or the German’s supporting genocide of Palestinian’s to protect the Zionist entity.
For 20th century fascism to come back there needs to be a dangerous communist movement and trans-Atlantic capitalist states need to devolve back to being nation states.
>>2206468>German natty boug backed Hitler to keep the commies down.That's only part of the story as stated by German industrialists at the Nuremberg trials and through their memoirs.
Yes they hated communists, but so did the non-NSDAP opposition to the KPD (including the social democrats, who they had previously used to crush the Spartacists).
Key here is the negative impact the Versailles treaty had on their enterprises, and the fact the nazis promised re-armament, consolidation and protectionism. German porkies had been planning a new war even before the ink dried.
Afterwards, just like the Wehrmacht generals they spend a lot of time whitewashing their reputations, and blaming everything on Hitler.
Nat bourg aren't threatened only by communism, they're also threatened by foreign capital (in case of German industrialists on the eve of WW2: French, British and American capital).
Thielites share many of the same motivations, even in absence of a strong American communist movement. One cannot explain fascism fully by only looking at its anticommunist component.
>trans-Atlantic capitalist states need to devolve back to being nation states.They're splitting as we speak into two competing blocs. Leading exactly to the dynamic Lenin predicted over 100 years ago. (A United States of Europe ending up as an adversary of American capital)
>>2206468>they never asked forheh. Not true.
>>2206502European booj has so far been subservient to the US and has swallowed everything the US has thrown at it. Idk, I don't see this split happening yet.
>>2206502>>2206574They wanted A war to re-establish national pride and get more spoils. They didn't want a total war against every other major power on behalf of the volk spirit or whatever other Nazi esoteric crap.
They knew the German economy was in the shit not because of Versailles, like the Western liberal water-carriers claimed, but because of the debts the German state had taken on to fund WWI.
>They're splitting as we speak into two competing blocs.Which aren't founded on an ethno-national basis. The animating spirit of 20th century fascism was the idea of the ethno-nation and reclaiming (mythologised) past greatness. Neither America or the EU have the demographics to afford a return to white nationalism.
>>2206558So did Britain, France, and America.
>>2206573The conflict between western capital and China is not a "culture war". Which is part of what is driving this. It's why Russia had to be destroyed, subjugated or won over.
>>2206579They were fellow travelers rather than subservient vassals especially post-1991. As long they could bond over looting the rest of the world the transatlantic alliance held. This is no longer the case because of growing crisis on both sides of the Atlantic combined with a failure to win decisively in Ukraine. (Which was supposed to lead to regime change or balkanization in Russia).
>>2206584The ideological basis of Fascism is nonsense. E.g. " The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of
class struggles race wars". It forms ideological the cladding but not the (material) basis for fascism. The US-EU split is not founded on an ethno-national basis, but neither was the violent antagonism between British and German capital in WW1 or WW2.
Versailles also dismantled a lot of military industry, robbed German capitalists of colonies, and led to forced reparations including through the occupation of the Ruhr which German industrialists were particularly unhappy about.
I think people get too caught up in the 'idealism' of fascism when analyzing it, instead of examine it on a structural level.
It's like as if one were to assume the church (and religion generally) invented European feudalism, or Enlightenment thinkers invented capitalism. Narratives are invented to justify power, but they're not the source of it.
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>>2206396>It didn't succeed. But the danger remains. Western states don't suffer armed rebellions or have had to go to extreme lengths (until recently) to bar opponents from running. That fact it happens at all or is necessary is telling, similar to how Jan 6 was also a symptom of growing American instability. The same goes for barring Le Pen an Georgescu from running in elections. Things are heating up everywhere.They are, but don't freak yourself out. There's no Western divorce or fascism coming. We just don't have the conditions for it.
Also fascism is created by the national bourgeoisie struggling to survive a global market…wtf
>>2206755We're already seeing the beginning of a western divorce. The extreme tariffs and an American administration looking to annex territory of an EU state is already unprecedented in post-war history. The language and policies are increasingly antagonistic and driven by crises within the US and EU itself. It's not simply EU (or national) officials purely reacting to the Trump administration. There have been simmering economic tensions for years, but these were ultimately almost always cast aside (or mostly ignored) in face of (greater) "external" threats.
Any bombing campaign against Iran isn't going to benefit Europe either. And in general Interests are rapidly diverging on both sides of the Atlantic.
Lenin correctly predicted that a "United States of Europe" was never going to maintain a friendly long-term relationship with America. And while Ukraine was supposed to solidify the west and western dominance, it is instead blowing the west apart.
And yes, fascism isn't simply a reaction against communism. It's quite a bit more extreme than that. It's directed against all threats to national bourgeois interests. Both external (foreign capital) and internal (communist movements). Imperial Japan behaved in much the same way even in absence of a large militant communist movement (crushed ~10 years prior to the Sino-Japanese war) threatening the interests of the zaibatsu, in Italy the Fascists had stomped out the communist movement long before they invaded Ethiopia and later Greece.
>>2206802I'll go ahead with the hot take that Pinochet, Franco, etc. and their regimes weren't "fascist" in the way Nazi Germany, Italy and Imperial Japan were.
Fascism isn't simple anticommunism. These un(der)developed states lack a cohesive non-comprador national bourgeoisie. They may be violently anticommunist but mostly to the extend it protects foreign capital, the interests of (remnant feudal) landlords. (Indonesia is a good example of this dynamic too)
There's a reason it arose in some of the most developed states at the time. And not in "backward" places like Latin America or Ethiopia.
All fascism is anticommunist, but not all anticommunism is fascist. The petite bourgeoisie are ultimately but useful idiots themselves, which was also shown by how they were treated later on by the regimes in Italy and Germany.
>>2206820>what makes Haitian capitalists not fascist? The material conditions which allow fascism to exist do not exist in hati.
>A capitalist is just a temporarily embarrassed Fascist. Wrong. All capitalists defend exploitation, but not all capitalists defend fascism. In stable countries (like the U.S.), fascism does not exist. You reduce fascist from definite historical phenomenon to meaningless slur.
>And they attack communists because they present the greatest threat, but critically not the only threat, contradictions are enough for capitalism breaking, it's the actions taken to save (usually imperial) capitals position on the market that we traditionally call fascismWrong. All bourgeois states kill communists but fascist rule destroys all worker organization. Capitalism has many crises, but fascism is not the automatic result. Fascism requires definite conditions to exist. Haiti’s capitalists kill communists, but they do not systematically exterminate all worker resistance because the hatian proletariat is not yet strong enough to build them.
>>2206838No I was sitting on the toilet reading how that puta bitch pam bondi wants death penalty on Luigi. So I fucking snapped. Don't touch my Luigi you white epstein whore.
Fucking puta macaca.
>>2206836>In stable countries (like the U.S.), fascism does not exist. Terrible
MAGAcom take. The current Trump administration is pursuing exactly the kind of extreme actions designed to save imperial capital as historic fascist dictatorships have in the past.
One important aspect that separates fascism from anticommunism isn't the fact fascist kill communists, it's that killing communists does not mellow the bourgeois dictatorship. When the communist movement was outlawed in Italy, Germany and Japan this did not result in a return to liberal democratic normalcy. Instead, the actions of these regimes became even more extreme and belligerent.
Whether the worker resistance is strong enough to form a coherent militant communist movement in the first place is irrelevant, because outside threats (foreign capital) are enough to drive the national bourgeoisie towards embracing fascism.
Pointing this out is not reducing fascism to a slur. It's differentiating it from simple anticommunism.
The Indonesian state under Suharto (see Jakarta Method) was rabidly anticommunist, but not fascist. Especially as the original crackdown was driven not by the need to protect Indonesian (imperial) capital, but rather was instigated by US interests looking to protect western business interests, in an alliance with the reactionary (comprador) classes, including large landowners.
After the crackdown of the communist movement, it did not result in an Indonesian military-industrial complex preparing for total war with the rest of south east asia, or western capital generally. Indonesia instead remained a relatively backward comprador state. Likewise East Timor was not invaded in order to prop up ailing Indonesian capital, but rather because it was feared it would become an outpost for communists threatening Suharto's comprador regime.
>>2206868See my point about anticommunism =/= fascism (even though all fascism is anticommunist).
>TrotskyHe was wrong. All the way down to the idea fascism is some "spontaneous movement from the masses", the basis of fascism isn't the petite bourgeoisie in particular, but capital itself.
Yes, the petite bourgeoisie are drawn to it, but it's not the ultimate source of fascist reaction. We know this because fascism neither ceased when communists and organized labor were crushed, nor did it retreat when the petite bourgeoisie of Germany and Italy fell to haute bourgeois cartelization.
Many points Trotsky brings up also make no sense in the context of states like Imperial Japan for instance.
>>2206979the class character of Kuomintang China was a huge peasant base disciplined by a warlord military caste that extracted rents with modern equipment beyond their stage of development through keeping the markets open for western exports. Effectively a feudal state where generals had superseded Qing bureaucratic governors as the landed class of control.
While part of the capitalist system (as a hostage market with its mouth held open for western manufacturing), they were an outpost of the existing stable capitalist order not a revisionist state lead by a marriage of insecure petit-booj and threatened industrial capital. If extreme political violence against historical progress is the vulgar measurement of fascism then all states are and it loses all meaning because why wouldn't all capitalist states will act in their rational self interest to protect their historical position at all costs.
>>2207337Tehran decided to adopt the Putin doctrine of 'strategic restraint', limp responses, and complaining.
Sounds like it may pay the price for that this year.
>>2207472America doesn't care what you prefer. If it wants to drag you into a war, it will. I believe there might be, uh, at least one instance of this in history where a country took an overly diplomatic approach to America and still found itself on the chopping block.
Meanwhile, the North Korea model holds.
>>2207529That's why Iran actually
has been working towards a nuke, but extremely quietly.
>>2207570Iran could have wiped the Zionist entity and Saudi off the face of the earth with relative ease, and they lost their chance to do both because they'd rather sit and wait.
Now, they can do nothing.
>>2207491>Greedy, hedonistic Wall Street and MIC porkies have too much to lose. They're the last people who want global nuclear destruction. The US is terrified of nuclear adversaries, at least if they're of the Khrushchev or Kim mold.I would really like to know what you're basing this on. Virtually everything I've been reading indicates that Western bourgeois ideology has taken on a fatalistic, nihilistic bent where they assume that The End is only a matter of time and cannot be avoided, whether it's from climate change or nuclear war or whatever.
"The End of History" has been fatal to the Western bourgeois. They believe that there isn't any alternative to The Way Things Are except annihilation. So for them, there's no incentive to not roll the dice because things will either continue as they are, or they won't be around long enough to have to worry about it. Even nuclear weapons aren't much of a deterrent any more, either because of the described fatalism, brain worms about military/technological superiority, or their own insane individualism telling them that at least THEY'LL be okay if the bombs drop.
You say that they have too much to lose, but the inverse of that is also true: having accumulated so much, there's little more for them to gain at this point. Their material abundance has made them apathetic and detached from reality. Insofar as nuclear war and its consequences occurs to them at all, it's just like every other catastrophe: something awful happening to someone else far away which they'll likely hear about in some movie or at some fundraiser.
But for them the party will keep going anyway until it can't any more, and if the party ends why should anybody else get to enjoy life on Earth either?
>>2207476North Korea would have been gone decades ago if it wasn’t for China (who are US appeasers). That low level of nuclear threat is also exactly what the US has been trying to secure against for decades and are getting close to having the technical capability to do so.
There is a reason the Russians developed a “doomsday” nuclear autonomous torpedo.
>>2207581The process of enriching Uranium is a matter of duration of an already existing process. Iran isn't switching to heavy water reactors, and their energy expenditure already told the West exactly what they're doing.
>>2207584And what do you think Israel will do in response? It's extremely easy to argue for someone else to sacrifice themselves, and about as respectable.
>>2207615..?
Are you praising Patriots in a /ukr/ thread, like a dumbass? Or has the US developed actual functioning AA, when I wasn't looking?
>>2206739Look at this f
ine Aryan specimenucking mutt. I used to think that Franklin quote about Germans was a little weird, but now…
>>2207595I think it really depends on when and where. Nuclear war between Israel and Iran probably won't lead to the end of the world, but even that relies on things not going totally out of control. And tbh if we're talking about an open nuclear exchange I think all bets are off.
>>2207600Well I can't speak for what these people are "really" like in person, but given what we've seen over the past 30 years at least I don't think the nihilistic tendencies can be easily discounted. As for the mic et al, they've already been working on the pseudo scientific basis for "winning" a nuclear war.
From where I've been sitting, there's very little in the way of incentives for them not to do just that. These are the same people that said Thanos had a point, and wouldn't be too broken up at a few billion people getting wiped out.
>>2207616Lmao remember when Hezbollah thought they had that, then got decapitated and rendered unable to launch any serious counter-attacks?
>>2207617Ukraine shoots down hundreds of Russian (and Iranian) missiles and drones almost every night with their AA. Some of it gets through the cracks, but it's not enough to cause any fatal damage.
Unless the Cuck is just pulling his punches for some reason, which he would do.
Air defense is mostly a numbers game and America has just put two CBGs in the region, plus multiple THAAD batteries.
It's going to take a while to drain that amount of air defense, and Iran doesn't have a while.
If they had struck earlier, in co-ordination with their allies, they could have done something, but Iran would rather wait for America to decapitate them before they do anything. It's a strategy so utterly braindead only you, a literal Putinite, would ever defend it.
>>2207650Imagine if someone had a knife and was walking towards you saying they would stab you, after they had already killed your friends.
Do you
A) Draw your gun and fire
or
B) Sit and do nothing as you're stabbed to death
>>2207646Iran can’t have more than a dozen or so warheads at best. They’d have to salvo all conventional missiles they have as a decoy to be sure of getting their nukes through.
Ironically their best bet is copying the Zionists and threatening to nuke the Arabs and Europeans.
>>2207653No, The Cuck pulled his punches when he didn't do this in 2014, rather he waited and got baited twice in a row until Ukraine had built up a military machine strong enough to actually resist.
>>2207657Iran may/may not have nukes, but that doesn't really effect their capabilities to strike the Zionists and Saudi Arabia. Saudi, in particular, has nowhere near the defenses that the Zionists do.
But yes, it would take A LOT of missiles to meaningfully damage the Zionist state now, because Iran picked the worst possible choice in every scenario.
>>2207663Iran's gun is thousands of Ballistic missiles. The Zionists get 86% of their water through desalinization and while the plants are repairable/rebuildable this takes time and without water, the Zionists won't have much time. Even if it's not fatal, it's still a serious blow.
But yes, they should have developed a nuke long ago.
>>2207660You are taking a defeat for a victory. That the Zionists could launch their missiles outside Iranian AD range shows the deficiencies of the Iranian AD system. And that was just a retaliatory slap. If the Zionists and US decide to seriously attack Iran they’ll start by dismantling the Iranian AD system using missiles which outrange it. Once fixed AD sites are destroyed Iran will have to fall back to even shorter range mobile systems which the US can still track with radar and satellite. They’ll also be hitting Iranian wired and radio communications networks to destroy AD coordination and striking command and control bunkers.
The Russians did this to Ukraine in 2022 but the Ukrainians could fall back to systems which were protected by the West.
>>2207699>some point aren't.people*
Just great. Talking about cuckoldry and then exposing myself as a predictive-text cuck.
>>2207699jesus christ either this site degenrated so far in terms of theory and history knowledge that new posters only ever learn those things from lurking here OR this is bait.
dont you faggots ever get bored of typing up the same shit day after day? on that note: not too long ago, you """people""" couldnt shut the fuck up about how the west is gonna out-escalate russia in ukraine cuz of cucktin cucking bla bla bla. so…
escalation status?
>>2207695>You are taking a defeat for a victory. How is having the AD capability to deter an Israeli revenge strike, incurring minimal damage after humiliating Israel with a successful barrage of their own a "defeat?" Israel totally failed to stop Iran's attack, was prevented from meaningfully retaliating, but what, they'll actually destroy Iran for real this time because now they mean it?
Sorry, but I think that when push comes to shove Iran has much more muscle behind it than Israel or the Americans do, when fighting in its own back yard at least.
>>2207699>China has achieved at least parity. it hasn't tho. US is still the reserve currency with the infinite money printer and it controls the levers of most of the global finance system. It can sanction half the world and impose itself in ways China can't. It also still miles ahead of china in soft power and the ability to infiltrate and subvert.
>it's just a state of mind brosorry, feels are still no match for reals.
>>2207714That's basically what happened with North Korea, but imo the change of regime in the US hasn't fundamentally altered its situation regarding its delusions. 12 CIA bases right on Russia's border couldn't figure out that Russia wouldn't collapse from sanctions or that it wasn't just a "gas station with nukes." They've learned nothing from that fiasco and are currently talking themselves into doing it all again with Iran.
And honestly I'm not sure if that might be the better option at this point, because the other option as far as they're concerned is to run headlong into war with China. As usual, America is spoiled for choice.
>>2207746iirc, he killed one in a surprise attack. then iran did a measured retaliation and he backed off.
a telegraphed major bombing campaign is another matter entirely.
>>2207749>being a cucktin poster makes that a distinction without a difference.Not true. It's possible to believe that the Kremlin is full of cucks costing unnecessary lives while also DISbelieving the apocalyptic scenario that Ukraine/NATO is winning.
If you're looking for a REAL distinction without a difference that you can attack, I'm happy to give you one: I think Putin is a cuck, but I've never actually called him Cucktin. I do accept this as a legit distinction without a difference, though.
>>2207748>iirc, he killed one in a surprise attack.Yes.
>then iran did a measured retaliation and he backed off. I actually don't even remember what they did in retaliation, if anything, but it obviously wasn't symmetric or at all meaningful enough to leave an impression on me. :-/
>a telegraphed major bombing campaign is another matter entirely.I don't think that this surprise vs. telegraphed thing is relevant, so it would have to be assassination of a high-ranking military leader vs. taking out nuclear facilities, not so much how telegraphed or not the attacks are. I can see the difference, but I'm not sure Trump can or cares, especially given how soft Iran has been the last couple of years in response to other attacks.
>>2207799Russia has fired more than 200 Geran drones and 100+ cruise and ballistic missiles in single attacks, and at no point have all of those hit the target. At best, dozens do.
So what is happening to all those Gerans and missiles? Please, enlighten me.
>>2207826Again, real Felix knows the answer :-/
The drones/missiles are getting through to only mediocre targets because that's all the Kremlin allows the Russian military to target. It's not that they're being shot down while trying to reach significant targets.
>>2207832Source: Ukraine still exists.
If you're this fucking delusional than you're not even worth talking to.
Ukrainian air defense doesn't stop every Russian missile, but it does stop a lot of them. That's why the Russians have to fire so many missiles, so they can overwhelm the AD networks.
>>2207838How many Khinzals do you think Russia has?
The vast majority of their ordinance are subsonic drones and cruise missiles that are actually pretty easy to shoot down.
Khinzals are rare and expensive, and Russia doesn't fire them every night.
>>2207848My friend, I literally invented Cucktin posting.
I know, Russia is fighting a ridiculous nerf war against an enemy fighting a total war.
That's not the point. The point is that the Tank dipshit is saying every Russian missile makes it through Ukraine's air defense network when that is obviously not the case. Ukrainian (and therefore, American) AD intercepts a lot of targets.
>>2207851I don't think you're real Felix, tho :-P
Real Felix understood the difference between cucked Kremlin decision-making and Russian military limitations.
It's all Kremlin decision-making, dude. There are no Russian military limitations preventing the destruction of Kiev, for instance.
>>2207856If Kiev was getting hit with 200 Gerans a night there wouldn't be much left, but Kiev also has a pretty intense air defense network which prevents those drones from getting through en masse.
>>2207853Iran struck multiple US regional facilities and did no damage.
>>2207715> How is having the AD capability to deter an Israeli revenge strikeThey didn’t deter it. The Zionists showed they had the capacity to strike any major Iranian facility without being in danger from Iranian AD. It was a calculated message with restraint being urged by the Biden regime.
Iranian ballistic missile capability is enough to maybe kill a few thousand in Tel Aviv or MAYBE take out all the desal plants. That is a serious threat but not an insurmountable one. And after that they are done as the Zios and US will dismantle Iran.
>>2207907The US has killed tens of thousands of Russian soldiers and dozens of Russian citizens without having to confront Russia directly.
It's currently getting its way in the Middle East in Gaza, Syria, etc., and has completely pacified pretty much every Arab state except Yemen, which is now taking soldier/civilian hits while again the US suffers none (Yemen takes consolation in downing a Reaper drone or some shit).
China can't even hold a mutually beneficial deal in Panama without the US kicking it out.
>>2207929 (me)
subservient*
>>2207924Is that the /k/ope you tell yourself? Every day the Houthis attack ships in the Red Sea chips away at the US hegemony. If the US actually lose a carrier, it's pretty much over.
>getting its way in GazaWhere? Show me.
>>2207988>>Russo-Ukrainian peace not any time soonAmerica doesn't care about its Ukrainian proxy meat. You know this.
>>memo claiming China is the largest threatSomeone has to be the largest threat.
>>but also there may be war with IranIn which Iran's weak, Putinist leaders will refuse to do anything to hurt Israel/America.
>>Houthis still not toppledShame for all those Reaper drones.
>>Trump caused a global backlash against conservativesLib consolation.
>>and pissed off both Canada and DenmarkThey'll cave. Shouldn't but will.
>>EU threatens countermeasures and Asian markets plunge after Trump tariff announcementThey'll cave. Shouldn't but will.
>>2207988Gulf of Aden is mostly important to euros and Israel, not the US. There's also hardly a global backlash against "conservatives" unless you think the European left is winning as a result (they're not).
You're not grasping the scale of this. They're burning it all down because they believe they'll be the ones to weather the storm. And considering how dependent places like the EU, India, China and others are on energy (and other) imports, that's not an unreasonable assumption.
>>2207996>>Russo-Ukrainian peace not any time soon<America doesn't care about its Ukrainian proxy meat. You know this.What America does care about or at least should if it's interested in keeping it's status as world hegemon is not fucking up it's relations with it's yuro allies, it's stockpile of precision rockets(empty) and it's prestige(as in loss of it, because the entire free world(tm) is about to lose against a gas station with nukes)
>>memo claiming China is the largest threat<Someone has to be the largest threat.the implication here is that with russia getting stronger and winning, there's 2 largest threats. you can't even beat the 2. largest, how are you gonna compete against an even bigger threat?
>>but also there may be war with Iran<In which Iran's weak, Putinist leaders will refuse to do anything to hurt Israel/America.they don't need to. america is gonna hand iran an easy win if it tries invading. u couldn't even pacify iraq. come on now.
>>Houthis still not toppled<Shame for all those Reaper drones.reaper shmeaper. they still control who can pass the red sea safely and who can't. they're still shooting missiles at israel. operation amazon prime failed, remember? btw that's not good for prestige.
>>Trump caused a global backlash against conservatives<Lib consolation.true. no notes.
>>and pissed off both Canada and Denmark<They'll cave. Shouldn't but will.america ain't gonna annex either, don't fool yourself.
>>EU threatens countermeasures and Asian markets plunge after Trump tariff announcement<They'll cave. Shouldn't but will.or they'll buy from someone else, like china. or drop coordinated counter-tariffs like china, s.korea and japan
>>2208021>Gulf of Aden is mostly important to euros and Israel, not the US.You don't understand. Safeguarding global trade is literally the reason for US Navy existing, and US's primary job as the hegemon and guardian of global capitalism. The South China Sea-Gibraltar route is the artery of global capitalism. Every single capitalist power, historically wanted naval bases in its proximity, and every single piece of land is a potential flashpoint.
If the US is not interested in doing its job, its umbrella of protection useless, all of its vassals will disappear.
>>2208028Times are changing, the sort of trade moving through the Gulf of Aden nowadays primarily benefits the EU and Chinese economy.
Their hegemony is slipping, and even their own allies are turning into economic competitors. (EU)
Like the fact east Asian governments want to work together with Beijing, or the EU is not bending the knee on tariffs and Ukraine is proof they're not (or no longer are) vassals.
If they do nothing, decline is inevitable, if they destroy everything instead, they might survive and come out on top.
>>2208025>america ain't gonna annex either, don't fool yourself.This isn't some Trump brainworm. It's being pushed by the Thielite tech oligarchs surrounding him. And in both cases, would give US capital even greater control over the world's remaining oil and gas reserves.
>>2208045Russia is in no rush.
Good luck with that ceasefire begging thing.
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