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I started reading into Marcus Aurelius and different Hellenistic schools and it's pretty sad how they all got nuked by christcucks. These various philosophical schools were concerned about practical ways to solve life problems and it surprised my how advanced their ideas were. So much so that modern psychotherapy was inspired by stoicism. Even Buddhism and different Hindu schools are eerily similar to these systems.
This shit made me realize how much abrahamic religions have destroyed any chance of humanity ever achieving true independence and wisdom. Since abrahamic theology is literally a mental skinner box to ensure perfect subservience.

so true, sometimes i feel i was born in the wrong generation
what does this have to do with communism you jewish nigger

>>2202958
Well let's see. Part of the reason capitalism is so ideologically strong is due to abrahamic religion telling people they should forgot this life and focus on the next. Making it seem like any political action is futile and not worth the effort. But that's just my opinion

>>2202956
Ewww. Friendly reminder that: 1) Roman Empire was one of the only three societies in human history (the other two being Antebellum South and pre-abolition Brazil) where slaves had comprised much more than 10% of the population and whose economies were primarily built on chattel slavery. 2)Christcuckery IS Roman Empire. Christcuckery is the ultimate form of Roman Empire. Jesus (if he existed) may have been a geniune opressed Jew, but "Saint" Paul was almost certainly just the most sucessful glowie in history.

>>2202960
You touch on a good point, the fact that history has produced ever more potent methods for the control of large populations. I do think you're ignoring the tension between elite and mass education though. While the Greco-Roman peasantry and slave population did not answer to a single ecclesiastical authority, they did reproduce the moral and religious superstitions of their time. People who participated in philosophical discourse constituted a highly educated subset of the population. If they weren't wealthy, they were usually slaves working as teachers. Concerning religiosity the parallels to the contemporary intelligentsia are obvious, where there was a whole meme about christcucks being discriminated against in silicon valley.

>>2202972
True but reading meditations you can already see that Romans were aware that slavery was immoral. Marcus says multiple times that there is no difference between people under their monistic physics since we're all matter part of the divine logos.

>>2202982
>>2202982
They just believed in determinism therefore you can't really choose your lot in life

>>2202982
>Romans were aware that slavery was immoral
This isn't the high standard you think it is. In principal the catholic church was also opposed to slavery, even though indentured servants were common in medieval europe. Theoretically every social human can come to the conclusion slavery is wrong, but these contradictions are only allowed to surface when the economic incentives behind slavery have already disappeared. Nowadays nearly everyone condemns the atlantic slave trade, yet the modern day indentured servitude immigration facilitates is only rarely challenged by communists and a few "progressives".

>>2202991
Slavery is actually more widespread today than ancient times. Stoicism isn't ment to solve the world. It's a defensive ideology ment to help the individual resist pain and live accordance to nature (ie determinism)

>>2202956
>I started reading into Marcus Aurelius and different Hellenistic schools and it's pretty sad how they all got nuked by christcucks.
Bad example, almost so bad that one thinks this is a bait.
Aurelius’s meditations and stoicism in general was much celebrated within the medieval Christendom and outside it. It was seen compatible with christian moral views. Why we even have those books is because some Christian monks copied them for centuries.

>This shit made me realize how much abrahamic religions have destroyed any chance of humanity ever achieving true independence and wisdom
When you look at India do you see "true independence and widsom"?

>>2202956
>This shit made me realize how much abrahamic religions have destroyed any chance of humanity ever achieving true independence and wisdom. Since abrahamic theology is literally a mental skinner box to ensure perfect subservience.
Keep reading. Christianity was a new development, sure, but it took on most of what the Greco-Roman culture had to offer. Also, Japan exists, China exists, India exists too. You are being dramatic.

>>2202956
Marcus Aurelius didn't solve shit, he was a rich bourgeois telling people "just don't feel bad man," he got cucked and ruined the Roman Empire by picking his son Commodus to be the next emperor instead of someone qualified who wasn't a relative like the past 5 emperors before him

>>2203022
It was only a handful of christian monks and stoicism is incompatible with christianity since it posits a materialist/pantheist view

>>2202956
Who fucking cares.
Tomorrow perhaps the future, today shut the fuck up.

>>2203061
Eat shit commie transhumanist

>>2203074
>Eat shit commie transhumanist
Worlds smartest Marcus Aurelius undersander.

Wasn't this uygha cucked.
Sounds like he came up with a cope "I don't care guys, really! Hahahahha…" ideology.

>>2203085
That was just a rumor

>>2203026
One day Christianity is going to be <10% of the world population and atheoids will still be scheming up ways to blame everything wrong with the world on that religion.

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So true! It's not the contradictions of competing interests between groups of people via their relationship with the means of production, but VALUES (which are totally real btw and not just a phenomena that is given rise to in the superstructure that is created as a byproduct of the ruling class) that create a "successful" society!

>>2203110
No such thing as superstructure either if you wanna play that game

>>2203127
The relationship I have with your mom isn't real if you want to play that game (jk it's still real and hot lol)

>>2202956
ironically the muslims kept aristotle alive through translation while the west lost artistotle for a few centuries. so you have islam to thank for preserving at least some of the Greeks. Abrahamism… it's a mxied bag. So are the pagans. All are products of the economic bases of the societies they were founded in. Be a historical materialist about religion. Understand base and superstructure. You'll find yourself scapegoating less and understanding more.

>>2202999
"Philosophers hitherto have only interpreted the world. The point is to change it." - Marx

>>2203127
not literally no. It's a socially constructed distinction. but a useful one

>>2203172
Islam was more based before the hadiths became widespread. Then it was downhill

>>2202960
>Part of the reason capitalism is so ideologically strong is due to abrahamic religion telling people they should forgot this life and focus on the next.
Platonism already did that with slavery. In fact, Christianity and Islam borrowed heavily from Platonism.

>>2203198
why in your opinion did the hadiths have a negative impact

>>2203233
Lots of retarded rules that were added as a dlc to Quran

>>2203249
the qur'an is literally incomprehensible without context i.e. hadith

>>2203252
That's a feature not a bug

>>2203252
But the hadiths are all made up Bullshit tho
>Muhammad went up to heaven on a winged horse and bargained with god like a street vendor about the number of prayers
Kek

>>2202956
Christianity was essentially a product of late antiquity's social, economic, and philosophical conditions. It was an ideological response to the material struggles of the lower classes within the Roman Empire and was eventually being co-opted by the ruling elites when it became politically expedient.

Early Christianity, particularly in the teachings of Jesus and his immediate followers, was a movement rooted in Jewish apocalypticism and class struggle. However, Paul/Saul who came from a Hellenized Jewish background reframed Christianity using the language and structure of the mystery cults popular in the Greco-Roman world, such as those of Mithras, Isis, and Dionysus.

Paul's emphasis on salvation through faith, the sacramental role of the Eucharist, and the mystical union with Christ all mirrored elements of mystery religions, which promised personal salvation through secret knowledge, initiation rites, and communion with a divine figure. By universalizing Christianity and downplaying Jewish law (Torah observance), Paul made the new faith more attractive to non-Jews, ultimately paving the way for its expansion throughout the Roman Empire.

This shift was not just theological but ideological. Paul's version of Christianity moved away from the revolutionary and material concerns of Jesus' original message and instead became a tool for integrating lower classes into the existing social order through promises of salvation in the afterlife rather than social change in the present.

>>2203450
Why did Paul spread to faith to gentiles knowing that Jesus was racist against non jews

>>2203450
This. As I said earlier "Christcuckery IS Roman Empire. Moreso, Christcuckery is the ultimate form of Roman Empire, even." People who think that the Rome and the Gospel are really enemies and the Gospel had "ruined" Rome, be they right-wing neo-pagans or left-wing atheotards are dumbass literalists.

>>2203493
Go back to /pol.

>>2203455
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=acts%2015&version=NIV

>The apostles and elders met to consider this question. 7 After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. 8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9 He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? 11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”

t. nietzsche

>>2203489
>Christcuckery IS Roman Empire
based and geistpilled

>>2203793
yet jews never gained power from the acceptance of christianity. in fact, jews have only suffered antisemitism more, since it is now the gentiles who are chosen as against the "synagogue of satan"

>>2203800
This. Christians in the west, particularly North America, wants to be the second Israel. They want Judaists to crown them honorary Jews

>>2203819
>the state of israel
you mean that plot of land created by the british in the 20th century? what does that have to do with ancient rome?

Christianity only exists because of the insane brutality of the roman system of oppession. The Christian hatred for paganism and old philosiphies is a reaction. Christianity is the fault of the romans

>>2203529
Yes but what are the material reasons for doing so?

>>2202999
>Slavery is actually more widespread today than ancient times.
This is the true redpill. There are around 50 million slaves around the world and a quarter of them are children.

>>2203947
>>2202999
There's not actually any good data on this, i looked after the charity put out that number and fact.
It's all very vague and does not pass the muster, just the usual slapdash assumptions of the children of the upper middle class in the charity industry..

>>2203450
>muh paul le falsifier
stupid meme
pauline christianity was the natural extension of christ's message, just like leninism was that of marx'

>>2203965
fundamentally untrue; the reason paul's teachings were so successful was because the material conditions of potential converts contradicted many of the inherent jewish teachings that christ implicitly would have followed, even if christ didn't specifically mention them himself

>>2204092
you know if you make shit up and then say "material conditions" that doesn't make it true

>>2203947
proportionally to the population? That's doubtful.

>>2203800
>>2203819
thats because christianity is 80% neoplatonic paganism and 20% judaism

>>2204074
>After the acceptance of Christianity Jews became a protected class
This is the true reason why Christianity was started

>>2203887
I dunno, but if you read the rest of Acts there are multiple instances of Paul coming into conflict with established Jewish communities around the Mediterranean, while seemingly having less friction with non Jewish populations.

If I had to guess Christianity was a threat to existing Jewish power structures. There's an episode where silver smiths whose business was making idols of Artemis tried to get Paul lynched because he represented a threat to their trade, so I imagine for some rabbis and communities this presented a similar threat.

Similarly, while acknowledging that union racism was a part of the failure of a major strike in the early 1900s, unions got a lot of pushback from black churches because they threatened the social power of the black ministers over their congregations, creating perverse incentives for them to oppose integration and labor power.

>>2203105
>one day things will be different and you'll be wrong!
Okay but what about right now?

>>2204303
Was Paul as evil as nietzsche made him out to be? Or was he truly a chill guy who just wanted there to be less oppression in rome

I think all of you would like Daoism, it’s similar to many of the classic Hellenistic philisophies

>>2204811
>trusting NEETzsche's opinion on ANYTHING
ngmi

>>2204855
Daoism is too vague to the point of being incomprehensible

>>2204811
Nietzche wrote polemics and so on, he was never writing a history.

>>2204893
That’s the whole point of Daoism, grasping the ineffable, or “possessing the Dao”. I believe it’s intentionally written that way so the reader doesn’t get caught up in the language and is encouraged to think about the meaning themselves, since “the Dao that can be written is not the true Dao”.

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>>2202956
>Wondering why the system of a priest-nobility which upheld a system of class and patriarchal domination as the highest sacred authority and generally preached a "might makes right" morality (or, as they put it, "the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must"), where the gods love the Romans, the state and the patrician nobility best, slaves die forgotten in shame and emperors ascend to godhood lost to the new religion that emphasized altruistic and empathetic virtues, equal salvation and equality before God and a very early, crude form of internationalism and separation of church and state.

There's a reason why the Roman state religion lost so badly to the Christians. The people who preach stoicism and "ancient wisdom" are going to give you an overly rosey picture of the Romans that glosses over what a brutal imperial, class and slave society they were and not mention some of their less savory worldviews. Christianity was progressive compared to the Roman pagan system. Anyone who gives you any kind of impression otherwise is telling you a story.

>>2204893
Daoism, particularly philosophical non-religious daoism, is probably the least incomprehensible eastern philosophy. Laozi is digestible all on his own, particualrly when you view it through the context of it being a reaction against Confucianism. I would say buddhism is the one that gets incomprehensible as you follow it's development, and imo gets bogged down with a lot of Buddha naval and trying to "be a Buddhist". Daoism doesn't care for you "being" a Daoist in contrast.

>>2205735
Ok redpill me on daoism real quick

>>2205720
>The people who preach stoicism and "ancient wisdom" are going to give you an overly rosey picture of the Romans that glosses over what a brutal imperial, class and slave society they were and not mention some of their less savory worldviews.
didn't all the y/a fiction crib from this? I thought the kids would be better now and the 'always fantasising about rome' thing was a forced-meme.
idk, i read Red Rising, it was okay ya fiction if terribly lib heroshit

>>2202966
>Roman Empire was one of the only three societies in human history (the other two being Antebellum South and pre-abolition Brazil) where slaves had comprised much more than 10% of the population and whose economies were primarily built on chattel slavery
What about Haiti?


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