The so called "Prime Directive" is an ideological equivalent of US exceptionalism and a way to retreat into a moral high ground. Basically:
>Dying from curable diseases for U
<Us having the cure for everything
>Suffering from crazy reactionary and outdated forms of socio-political tyranny for you
<Us having the enlightened form of governance
But most importantly to a communist:
>Solveable but eternally ongoing problems of scarcity for U
<Infinite material abundance for us
…all of this in the name of a dogma ("prime directive") all of this while we could elevate you into a higher socio-economic and scientific/technological level, but "sorry," we are "not allowed" to do that for you, cuz… reasons…
I almost wonder what an ACTUAL communist (internationalist, galactic) Star Trek would look like. No shit it would involve the "Federation" enlightening all those fascistic/theocratic/etc. natives to a higher productive level and therefore eliminating all social ills.
But I'm told again and again by American "comrades," that this is what peak communist show looks like, cuz they vet to feel better by that dogma's limitations:
>Sry, we can't cure you and elevate your society onto our level….. CUZ REASONS, LOL
In any case, I can't wait for the Chinese version of this show, wherein our daring space-faring crew just do the materialist and sensible thing.
Mind you, for labour aristocrats TO THIS DAY this is what enlightened FALC behavior looks like.
What a fucking joke, 🤣😂🤣🤣😂🤣!
>>2204307Kino = makes my fantasies go, makes my mammalian glands wet
Kino =/= is rational, desirable, egalitarian, etc.
I agree. I just really had enough with burgers shilling Star Trek as this FALC example.
It's not.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Prime_DirectiveActually, the prime directive is a way to avoid undue influence of technologically advanced species from inadvertently sending another species which isn't ready for contact with alien life, down a non-materialist path, one which is disjointed from their own natural development.
The Prime Directive is basically reverse Juche and is very materially based on experiments.
In the Star Trek universe, many times when advanced species would give new technology to fledgling species, even inadvertently such as by forgetting a piece of tech down on their planet, it is observed to cause extremely bad effects, because the military industrial complexes or owning classes of those societies end up rapidly closing the gap and taking over with impunity due to these unintentional Promethean events.
Furthermore, the Prime Directive does not prevent anyone from helping species which explicitly ask for help. It only involves interference with species not even advanced enough to make contact on their own
The Prime Directive prohibits "first contact" specifically. If the less advanced species in question makes first contact, the Prime Directive no longer applies
I get it that you want to make a thread, but don't assume your initial analysis is already correct
>>2204332>In the Star Trek universe, many times when advanced species would give new technology to fledgling species, even inadvertently such as by forgetting a piece of tech down on their planet, it is observed to cause extremely bad effects, because the military industrial complexes or owning classes of those societies end up rapidly closing the gap and taking over with impunity due to these unintentional Promethean events.An example from Voyager is a planet comes into contact with a probe sent out by pre-federation Earth containing instructions for all the post-warp technologies they'd developed up to that point, like the antimatter reactions that give them basically free energy. The aliens adopt it and rush it into being, only for there to be a cataclysmic fuck up along the way which turns their planet into an irradiated wasteland and would have lead to their extinction if Voyager hadn't come along.
There's another from TNG where the Enterprise is set to initiate first contact procedures with a species on the cusp of developing warp travel, but it gets derailed because the population is riddled with reactionary tendencies and the planet's president decides they just aren't ready after the discovery of an alien (Riker) threatens to tear their self centered society apart.
>>2204332>undue influenceWARNING!!NUCLEAR LIBERALISM DETECTED!!!It's literally the fucking same relation between Star
Craft Wars Trek with the "uncivilized natives" of such and such planets and the Enlightened Federation.
We already know from human history – and 90% of encountered species in TNG are "humanoid" – that sharing tech and science leads to fucking great results vs. embargoing countries/nations/ideologies/planets in the name of holy scripture leads to fucking humanitarian disaster.
Way to out yourself as a labour aristocrat, btw. >>2204368>>cultures/civilizations interacting and influencing eachother is VERBOTENThat's not the Prime Directive
I get it you're bored on a Sunday and want to shitpost but take it to /siberia/ if so
>>2204355The federation does in fact share it's technology with less developed planets if those planets have already made contact with the interstellar community in the past, and if those planets themselves request it. Bajor is an example of this, where strictly speaking it doesn't meet the technological threshold for contact from the federation (which seems to be the attainment of warp travel), but having been occupied by a warp capable civilization for the better part of a century, the damage has been done, and at Bajor's request the federation sends aid and advisors to help it back on its feet, and with the goal of eventually integrating into the federation.
It's just that the federation's policy isn't to go around initiating this exchange unilaterally with cultures that aren't materially or culturally prepared for it.
>>2204306>but "sorry," we are "not allowed" to do that for you, cuz… reasons…The reason is that they can't predict what effect such an intervention would have on the development of that society. If anything it's a firm barrier against any sort of white man's burden civilizing mission or meddling in their internal affairs.
>>2204343>Imagine if the US shared all its tech with the Vietcong instead of napalming it back to the dark ages?If Western countries followed the prime directive they never would have gotten involved in Vietnam at all.
>>2204386>they can't predict what effect such an intervention would have on the development of that societyGiga-cope. Again, 90% of "aliens" in Star Wars is humanoid. Sorry Star Craft.
You are literally denying the basics of Marxism and diamat in favor of liberalism.
>>2204393>The relationship between the Federation and the societies that fall under the prime directive are less like the relationship between the US and Mexico and more like the relationship between the US and uncontacted Amazon tribes.Giga-cope no.2.
Like 0.1% of all star trek episodes are about contacting a hunter gatherer society.
Sorry, Sabo, but Star Craft is reactionary.
>>2204386>The reason is that they can't predict what effect such an intervention would have on the development of that society. If anything it's a firm barrier against any sort of white man's burden civilizing mission or meddling in their internal affairs.Yeah, it's still somewhat frustrating though. Like there's Tasha Yar's planet which is overrun with rape gangs and civilization has pretty much ceased to be, and the federation doesn't do anything about it because the planet explicitly seceded from the fed (iirc). So this human colony is just fucked because it has no government or representatives to ask for help because of this retarded civil war.
And it seems like the non interference principle applies even to members of the federation that contravene other Fed principles like personal autonomy and self determination, like that time Riker falls in love with a mono gender individual that decides she wants to be female, only for her culture to force her into conformity with no legal recourse. Or that planet that forces its citizens to commit suicide at 60, even if it fucks them up by killing the scientist that's trying to save their planet from destruction.
>>2204397You immediately retort to "muh weapons" – but who gives a single FUCKING shit about "sharing weapons?!"
Share the fucking replicator tech, which immediately eradicates hunger, homelessness, 99% of sickness, etc.
Hell, "rig" the fucking replicator so that it can not replicate AK47s (I literally don't care).
We already see what this is about!!!! You bought into the meme, that elevating primitives immediately and logically lead to a self-destructive planet. Literal liberalism.
Marxism is about developing the productive forces, and going to from near zero to infinity is pretty fucking Marxist sounding to me, you lib.
>>2204402Sorry, not familiar w that franchise. Plz gib me tldr
Thx
>>2204405>We already see what this is about!!!! You bought into the meme, that elevating primitives immediately and logically lead to a self-destructive planet. Literal liberalism.Historically liberals argued the exact opposite of that, that it was the duty of "civilized" countries to control and uplift uncivilized ones.
>Marxism is about developing the productive forces, and going to from near zero to infinity is pretty fucking Marxist sounding to me, you lib.If you had any understanding of historical materialism then you'd know that such a sudden and rapid transformation in the productive forces would throw any society into total chaos, as its institutions would be completely unequipped to handle a radically transformed economic base. Just dropping replicators on a planet where none existed would inevitably lead to revolutions, civil wars, and general chaos and bloodshed just like the industrial revolution did in the real world.
>>2204410Except people in Africa are in contact with industrialized nations, meaning that they wouldn't fall under the prime directive.`
>>2204402Critiques and so on of the concept being discussed do weave themselves into some of the plots, some generally good stories too.
Read them. It'll be a better use of your time than any of this.
>>2204407So all the arguments that hinge on the "ALIENNESS" and "unknowability of our actions" fly out the window immediately?????
Just give them the fucking tech, holy fucking shit, and they will stop praising their fake gods?!?!
This is Marxism101 vs Liberalism >>2204414Already adressed above. Even if you phase out the possibility of replicating weapons you get almost immediate planetary unification.
This is basic Marxism, btw, and you resist it so fierce
Wonder why?!
>>2204418>Historically liberals argued the exact opposite of that, that it was the duty of "civilized" countries to control and uplift uncivilized ones. But you are (un?!)intentionally conflating what these actors said and thought they were doing with what they were actually doing?
Holy fucking labour aristocrat hell, my man
>>2204419 (me)
IIRC read Player of Games and Use of Weapons.
>>2204405>Marxism is about developing the productive forces, and going to from near zero to infinity is pretty fucking Marxist sounding to me, you lib.Really? Despite the fact that they lack the tech required to manufacture replicators? And the tech required to manufacture replicator manufacturing equipment? Etc. down to the level they are at?
Productive forces is more than just "having advanced technologies". Marx goes into this in detail in Capital
>>2204306Star Trek is supposed to show a hopeful future where humanity has gotten its shit together and created a government that reflects its highest ideals. Where we travel the stars, not for conquest, but for the noble goals of science and exploration. And where our relations with the alien species we encounter is based on mutual respect and cooperation.
The irony here is that you're playing the role of the neocon here, where you're basically insisting that the role of exploring the stars and encountering less advanced civilizations should be some kind of civilizing mission, rather than allowing them to develop their societies and eventually explore the stars and encounter us on their own terms.
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