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Some breakthroughs have led me to finally and definitively abandon microshit's spyware.
I had been staying on wangblows for the audio software but had no idea Linux production had come so far.

My DAW [Renoise] has a fucking excellent native linux version that exceeds WIndows performance in some cases. Grabbing audio to feed into its sampler is easier than ever with youtube-dl and ffmpeg.
yabridge lets you convert Windows VSTs to run through Wine, the ones I've tried have worked seamlessly albeit with a little overhead.
Takes a tiny bit of elbow grease to get it optimized enough for serious use, but it's pretty simple once you get past initial setup and it even supports VST3.

Feels pretty good to be making music on a system I have so much control over, it's actually given me a lot of inspiration to work on new material.
Are you a composer or producer who runs Linux? What's your workflow/software?



I use Ardour, Vital, Helm, Geomkick, Surge, Stochas, sfizz, eq10q, and some other stuff like calf plugins.

I'm a total noob though so those might be terrible tool choices.


You can do some crazy routing stuff with JACK too, lots of people use Carla but Patchage is real nice if you want something more lightweight. I've got a Nix derivation that builds a cracked version of Bitwig for me automatically, feelsgoodman


I tried making some shit with LMMS…


Anyone tried to get native instruments shit working in nix? I already use bitwig as a host, but I need my got damn maschine too.


Sigh, I was trying to but I can't get this shit to work. I bought a BOSS Katana amp and it refuses to work with FX Floorboard. After some searching, turns out that this is a very common problem and the only workaround is some shitty hacky fix. Apparently, the issue was "fixed" in an updated kernel sometime around New Year's, so I thought updating my kernel would fix it. Of course it didn't fucking work. Through some reading, some guy said that he got it to work by qtjackctl. So I looked up how to do this qtjackctl business, and lo and behold it turns out that I need a LOW LATENCY kernel for audio production. Fuck this, I have a Windows computer that I use to play pirated movies and shows on my TV; I'm just going to pirate some nice propietary audio software production and not give a fuck if some micro$hill asshole spies on me making shitty music. At this point, I just want something to just werk™.


I've just started fucking around with electronic music.
Using a pirated version of Bitwig on Arch, with a Novation Launchpad. Technically, no problems at all.

Anyone have a setup like this with a guitar? Would love to get a guitar plugged in to this mix but dunno how.


I got all the Kontakt pianos working in LinVST with basically no effort (all cracked versions from rutracker), not sure about Maschine though


You're gonna need an audio interface, Scarlett 2i2 is pretty much the noob go-to


i use bitwig (pirated ofc too - btw what version is yours? i have a 3.something) on ubuntu studio, and it crashed my whole computer, which is super rare for linux. It was weird

I'll tell you if it works with guitar when i get that set up

i heard gen3 doesnt work well with linux possibly?


It's great that they are. For intensive single-purpose machines like video editing rigs, Linux often has a better capability to specialize and ends up being the smarter base to use to get the most out of the system without making a system from scratch, so we've now seen official professional support on a couple of OSs for Davinci Resolve, for example (my sore spot was video editing). I had heard many times audio production like DAWs were always a sore-spot for Linux along with CAD, so it's good to see progress being made. Getting VSTs to work is awesome because it would be a killer to not have sausage fattener :^)
>Are you a composer or producer who runs Linux?
I make shitty mashups, remixes and plunderphonics in Audacity. I guess that doesn't qualify.


Using 4.0.1 from

Lmk if you get a guitar sorted out, and what stack you use for that.


I've been trying out Rosegarden and I really like the simplicity of it. It's how I imagine how Cubase was in the 90s. Ardour is a good audio recorder, but is a bad MIDI editor so I just do it with Rosegarden.


>I've got a Nix derivation that builds a cracked version of Bitwig for me automatically, feelsgoodman
Link to this crack?


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I'm unironically switching to WIndows for the sole purpose of music. I tried Ardour, it has a really shitty UI, you can't even change language through the GUI, and the creator says he will never implement that cause you can just LC_ALL=X, I can tell where the priorities lie.
LMMS is very unfinished and broken, and Renoise is like going from Photoshop to GIMP; its functional, but its a completely different workflow. I suck at music, and I wanna learn how to not suck, now how to use a completely different program. Bitwig looks decent, but I don't have money and all the cracked versions are old.
I tried WINE but it was just broken. This coupled with old JP games not being very kind to WINE (and font rendering) has triggered me to make the switch. Bless Bill Gates. Bless Windows.

**I am cucked out of using my phone as a microphone on Windows unless I use some shady closed source chinese driver. In Linux its literally just a script where you join a VC in mumble with your phone, and it makes a loopback
device out of your output so you can use it as input.
People shit on PulseAudio and potternigware but Linux audio config and routing is miles better than Windows**


Just run audacity in wine retard


>creative anything
enjoy cucking yourself and wasting your time trying to hack together broken shit for free


The people that have this attitude, are the ones that are trying to use Linux like it's Windows. If you accept that Linux works differently, it becomes a really solid and enjoyable platform.


no thanks, i'll get some productive work done instead


Imagine being a windows shill that shits on linux in 2021.



if I have to spend hours fighting with a linux distro that can't even run multiple windows programs rather than using that time actualy doing stuff it's not worth it
linux fags can enjoy avoiding windows spyware while having their web browsing logged by their internet provider anyways while the rest of us can get on with our lives


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Linux has better productivity features than Windows, you just have to bother using them. If you can't configure a particular distro just try one of the newbie friendly distros. It's not like on windows where you only got a single option.

>can't even run multiple windows programs

Linux has pretty good cross platform compatibility. There also are linux programs that do not run on windows which totally invalidates windows by your logic.

>linux chads can enjoy avoiding windows spyware

yes absolutely


>linux fags can enjoy avoiding windows spyware while having their web browsing logged by their internet provider anyways
don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good
also anonnets exist


Why Linux will always have <1% desktop OS market share


Windows became the dominant desktop operating system while having worse bugs. And this video is not representative of the normal "Linux experience" they are specifically going for gaming, which is still in the process of maturing because historically Linuxers didn't care much about gaming because they wanted the play with the computer operating system more than they wanted to play games. And going with Nvidia cards which are notoriously finicky also made their experience worse, by contrast Amd cards for the most part just work without any configuration, unless you want advanced features.

Very few video games are actually opensource software which makes them harder to install on linux. In the next 10 years game engines and game content will become separate programs, so that only a few engine software packages have to be optimized and debugged while the game content software packages will become a lot more portable on the technical end. Think of it like the game engine being like a video player and the game content package like a mp4 file. Eventually there will be opensource game engine packages that can play most game-content packs, that's when all of this becomes easier.


imagine caring about what gaymers have to say about anything.



It's more than 1% now.


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Another reason why Linux will always have <1% PC market share


Because of some retard trying to run some niche Windows shit on GNU/Linux?


in fairness, there's no real good audio stack in linux especially on the level needed for DAW use, especially thanks to the rabid minimalism and modularity, and there probably never will be
even using something like renoise feels like it's all being done on a foundation of quicksand


bitwig is really good and it just werks on linux


ableton is better


There are a bunch of linux youtubers that produce their videos on Linux, they probably have tutorials on how they do that, and if you copy what they do and use the same or similar hardware as they do, it probably will work on first try.

I think his comment of freedom is wrong, in Linux you really can add any functionality you want, while in windows you just can't. What Microsoft does is lay down a path where a lot of the time "id just worgs" but anybody who wants to go into another direction has to fight with technology on a level that is far worse than anything on the Linux side. There are people on windows that again have to fight with technology just to configure what their default browser is, that is a good indicator that Microsoft is trying to make their path narrower. If the audio stack on Linux sucks then that is cause for constructive criticism, not for tooting the corporate horn.



>noo you don't understand, I NEED serum so I can make loud as fuck wacky 808s to blast over shitty rapping as a distraction
avergage ableton user


>My DAW [Renoise] has a fucking excellent native linux version that exceeds WIndows performance in some cases
holy fuck
renoise is my DAW too
and music production was something that kept me on the fence about switching to linux
thanks for the heads up pal


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Any recommended audio interfaces compatible with gnu/linux?
preferentially with MIDI


anything that advertises itself as class compliant should work with ALSA and JACK out of the box
the M-Audio AIR interfaces are good


AIR 192*


you’re switching OSes because you don’t want to change a single text configuration…?


How do you learn how to use a daw? I suck balls at it.


read the manual


>nooooo proletarian and lumpen music le baddddd


im not talking about hip hop, im talking about a specific booj white boy imitation of trap music using youtube tutorials by smug idiots


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>no gnu/linux binary
literally the only reason i haven't switched


came across this like DJing loop controller (think session view in ableton) for lin00x


>i'll get some productive work done instead
work will set you free


Which software or VST can I use with a guitar and the rocksmith USB cable? I haven't played rocksmith, I just bought the cable so that I can plug the guitar into the computer. Is there a MIDI software driver/controller that will allow me to record the guitar or input notes into a DAW?


> For years, DAW developers and audio hardware manufacturers have been pinning lack of Linux support on each other. Now @PreSonus is releasing Studio One for Linux too, after Reaper and Bitwig. This is going to be interesting
I'm not expecting any of them to actually go open source but I guess this is good news still?


you can run VSTs in wine btw


yea im the anon that made the post, and tried it out with renoise windows binary running in wine
but the GUI was all fucked up and i didnt know how to fix it
i cant find a FOSS equivalent…F.'em comes close but it looks even worse and is proprietary
oh and zynaddsubfx which i'll content myself with


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There is also https://ardour.org/ that is still using gtk2.


zrythm has way more functionality, supports more plugins, and so on. I don't think one should be choosing their music production tool based on the GUI framework.


>I don't think one should be choosing their music production tool based on the unstable tower of shitware it depends on.
Speak for yourself.


whats wrong with gtk4


Ardour can do video now? Which makes me think… Can Blender do audio mixing yet?


GTK depends on dbus (or more specifically atk) since gtk3. Many gtk4 applications deliberately don't respect the system theming (see https://stopthemingmy.app). It doesn't help that with each new version gtk becomes slower and more bloated, which is the reason i purged any software depending on gtk3 or later from my laptop.

Many post-gtk3 applications also use flat design, as is evident in the zrythm screenshot with many graphic elements not being clearly visible buttons and monochromatic. The only things it gets right are the noticeable separators between menus, a few skeumorphisms, the wide color range and the dense ui. I really like the motif-inspired design gtk2 has by default.


>It doesn't help that with each new version gtk becomes slower and more bloated,
[citation needed]


why do you think xfce has been slow to adopt newer gtk lol


>lack of devs
>lack of need to do so
>supporting older hardware
>backwards compatibility
>it suits their use case better
it sounds to me like you spend too much time on /g/, and what's worse, believe those people.


you might be projecting, i dont use 4chin lol. xfce is supposed to be the lightweight dm


MATE started using more memory when it switched parts of it to GTK3.


It was discussed in >>22029 where i posted a test by the LXDE devs confirming GTK-based DEs were becoming more bloated.


>more memory
My computer has 32GB RAM, my laptop from 2013 has 16GB. If you have a 10+ year old machine, then choose GTK2 apps. GTK4 uses GL to render windows and reserves video memory for it also. You can't expect that a framework written recently will be the same or use the same resources as a framework written 20+ years ago. When GTK2 was written, we had dual-core computers with 2G RAM. You can't expect modern frameworks/technologies to be able to run on ancient hardware, that's not how it works.


very cool goal shifting


idk about all of that but gtk2 looks cuter and less flat


Since XFCE moved to the newer version of gtk my idle usage shot up and my battery way down

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