No.13433
Share and discuss various p2p alternatives to HTTP/S
https://www.torproject.org/Onion router, stable despite a bunch of attacks
https://freenetproject.org/Small-world network based on encrypted key-based routing
https://geti2p.net/Distant fork of Freenet that uses garlic routing
https://ipfs.io/Built on distributed hash tables that consolidate data with similar hashes
https://beakerbrowser.com/Torrent-ish web browser that can view websites on the Dat protocol
http://anonet.org/Friend-to-friend network that does not rely on you setting up a router or having to seed or anything
There's also Lokinet and ZeroNet but they seem weird and gimmicky
No.13435
OK well some of these aren't alternative to HTTP strictly. Of course, they work alongside it.
No.13438
Posting the installation tutorial for anoNet here
Installing anoNet
On Windows
1. Install OpenVPN from openvpn.net (we recommend to use the latest Windows Installer).
2. Download the configuration file from http://ix.ucis.nl/ucis-ix-client.ovpn.
3. Copy the downloaded configuration file into "C:\Program Files\OpenVPN\config\" (or where ever else you have installed OpenVPN).
4. Open the Start menu, search for or select Run, enter services.msc. Select OpenVPN Service from the list and click Start or Restart service.
On Linux (Debian)
1. Install OpenVPN: apt-get install openvpn
2. cd /etc/openvpn
3. wget http://ix.ucis.nl/ucis-ix-client.ovpn
4. /etc/init.d/openvpn start
On Mac OS X (using tunnelblick)
Warning: we did not actually test this procedure, but some people have reported that it does work.
1. Install tunnelblick
2. Download http://ix.ucis.nl/ucis-ix-client.ovpn to '~/Library/Application Support/Tunnelblick/Configurations/'
3. Use tunnelblick GUI to connect to the anocp VPN
Check out the wiki:
http://www.ucis.ano/mediawiki/index.php/Main_PageYou'll have to get set up with a peer to be able to access most links, usually through the irc
No.13443
>>13433There's gnunet. Ultimate aim is to replace the Internet Protocol Suite.
https://www.gnunet.org/en/It's still in alpha stages of development though.
No.13446
>>13443> Due to fundamental Internet design choices, Internet traffic can be misdirected, intercepted, censored and manipulated by hostile routers on the network. And indeed, the modern Internet has evolved exactly to the point where, as Matthew Green put it, "the network is hostile".what does this mean? i thought the internet protocol was decentralized?
No.13448
>>13446It's "decentralized" in that there are multiple ISPs, but you still have to trust your ISP to not MITM your traffic (if it's not encrypted and authenticated with certificates).
No.13450
>>13448hmm
does GNUnets work with mesh networks?
No.14044
>>13435I was about to nitpick that .onion is still HTTP, just not really clearnet.
Does gopher:// count? I think it's effectively a darknet even if not designed as one.
No.14048
>>14044i think the criteria are:
-not conveniently indexable
-IP addresses are hidden between clients and servers via nodes/relays
2nd one can be flexible
apparently curl can be used to access gopher servers
No.14049
>>13451sorry late response
seems cool, the current internet's always kinda felt like a hostile place that you kinda have to sneak through
i feel like the one weakness in p2p could be long distance "backbones", which might have to be centralized. could be wrong though
No.14056
Anyone remember Silk Road that was something everyone talked about but nobody really accessed
No.14827
are there any actively maintained remailer implementations? mixminion died a long time ago, and mixmaster got removed from most repos in the last few years
No.14844
>>14827Not really. Bitmessage is the closest thing and even that is not very active.
https://github.com/Bitmessage/PyBitmessage No.14853
>>14827How would a remailer work in 2022? It would immediately be placed on spam lists.
No.14854
>>14853don't use an email provider with shitty spam lists?
No.14871
Are mesh networks only viable in dense areas? I live in a hilly, backdoor rural area and was thinking to convince some people into setting up a network that is independent of ISPs.
I can only think of LoraWAN, but i wish to avoid it since it is proprietary
No.14873
>>14871"proprietary" is a point in its favor because that means it can be industrially viable unlike the hundreds of open source protocols that end up being nothing but a bunch of decades-old RFCs that went nowhere
No.14900
>>14874it's the truth
same thing happened with wi-fi
No.15484
anyone else notice tor network is slow as fuck lately
wonder if it's getting throttled by someone
No.15583
Would it be possible to receive RSS updates through a pure Tor or I2P tunnel ? Obviously, the RSS feeds would have to be set up on their end too.
No.15702
>>14044>Does gopher:// count? I think it's effectively a darknet even if not designed as one.gopher + torsocks = l33tn3$$
No.17204
>>17202Also generally applies to any hidden website/service on other networks
No.17256
>>17254Tried the browser bundle out, then tapped out when I clicked on the buttons on the splash page and one of them was a page full of rants about BLM and nazi infographic jpeg's
It made me question the security of the software, and whether I'd downloaded and run malware
I'd just stick with the normal client maybe
No.18022
Bump. No one else here cares about decentralized webs/nets?
No.18041
>>18022I think it's just there's a lack of people with the technical knowledge to understand it.
No.18044
>>18022>decentralized webs/nets?https://polycentric.iois a new one
No.18046
>>18041It doesn't take a genius to understand it, especially when they have websites
No.18047
>>18046People take offence at having to learn things.
No.18058
Wouldn't internet load balancing count as a type of decentralizing? Basically before your request even goes to an ISP it gets split between multiple connections even can be multiple ISPs so assuming if everyone connects at different times they will at least in theory get close to the collective speeds of all connections combined which is basically sharing your internet though ive only heard of this done with neighbours and you would have to use some form of encryption or else they could potentially intercept your data transmissions.
No.18060
>>18044Shows nothing without js.
No.19512
>Telegram is proprietary spyware backdoored by the FBI and Homeland Security
>Discord is just flat-out spyware
>Hoop / TamTam are both garbage
>Element is worse bloatware than FUCKING fbi.gov somehow (and no, I am not exaggerating, the app crashes constantly and it's a huge drain on my memory)
>RocketChat is fucking dead (except for the self-hosted channels, but good luck finding those, much less any interesting or good ones)
>Mastodon appears to be centralized. New users have to choose a server on which to open their account, but can follow and communicate with users of other Mastodon servers, although servers have the ability to ban other servers at their discretion. Joinmastodon.org contains a list of 106 Mastodon servers committed to the "Mastodon servers agreement," whereby each server agrees to enforce its own monitoring content, create backup copies of the site, and give users a three-month warning before suspending their accounts.
>MeWe - Doesn't encrypt user data unless they pay for the service and it stores its data in the United States.
>Viber - garbage app that makes you sign up with a GSM number instead of VoIP.
As for Yahoo Together and others like BCM Messenger that have since gone defunct were shit also and I say good riddance to it.
This leaves us with Tor.
>is user-friendly, unlike I2P & Freenet
>bans don't exist for hidden services because no single IP is assigned to you since all it uses are public proxies
>doesn't censor you
>at least some guarantee of privacy
I'm sorry I2P frens, but Tor is still king. I prefer to use that along with IRC & XMPP/OTR + client. Those are the only good places left.
t. Used the internet since late 2006 (which was 17 years ago by now).
Also, ICANN & the UN can kiss my ass.
No.19513
another fucking thread about this thats a carbon copy of all the other ones on the board?
No.19514
>>19513There's a bunch of Tor threads. Everybody knows about it, which is why you're seeing that, I suppose.
No.19515
Forums are completely dead also. Forgot to add that.
No.19516
>>19514uhhh no you made the same thread here
>>19450 No.23546
Do you host an I2P node on your homeserver?
Unique IPs: 19